@@oneilmarston698Depends on what your vision for yourself is. Not everything costs money, in fact sometimes money can end up costing you. Becoming better you can do for free, financially speaking. It does require a great deal of work though.
If you turn all military age men into women, then there is no one left to stop a government that commits tyranny daily against the people they swore to protect.
The bit at the end hit me hard ive just separated from my partner of 11 yrs and as most women do has took my son also.......im 45 yrs old and really dont know anymore my role as man. I tried to all things and we never seem to get it right ever. From a womens point of view we are expected to provide to protect be thoughtful and caring be domesticated and understanding all while being masculine bullet proof and tough we are expected to go in the trenches and battle and a minute later be calm and compassionate.....we cant moan we cant struggle show weakness but understand weakness and struggle with empathy....we are expected to be everything all the time and when we fall short which is inevitable we are vilified for our short comings!!! Ive now realised its an impossible role to fulfill.
It’s a much happier life single. Society is degrading at an astonishing rate. Get your passport and see the world. Your happiness is paramount if there is anything I’ve learned once I came out the other side.👍 women are a waste of time and money. Especially modern women.
@koleclement9899 it's early days for me yet mate still struggling with loss of purpose, lots of guilt for some reason etc after 11 yrs of coming home from work to a lovely hectic family life it's pretty darn tough coming home to an empty house.....im finding the silence a different kind of quiet now one I'm not yet comfortable with. But fingers crossed as time goes by I might be able to once again find solace in my own company and be content with where I've ended up in life. Thanks for the reply and the words of encouragement
We men are to a degree the fault of that. We men established the patriarchal society which for centuries had said we are the supermen, the hero, the earner etc., we put that onus on ourselves. We are also the ones who said the women stay at home and raise the children, and thus have inserted it into the system which results on, as a default, giving the child to the woman. We need a new paradigm without giving up masculinity.
@xelasomar4614 couldn't agree more unfortunately times have changed and there needs to be a change of mindset with regards gender roles but old habits die hard
Oh you *can* go back, it's just a matter if men are *willing* to do it. And that means no more rights and freedoms for ♀ __Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
7:42 I completely agree, i always found the talking points of toxic masculinity as toxic itself. Ways to control and manipulate you to change to how they want you to be. Just by calling you toxic for being a man...
I live in the American South, and (while it's not perfect by any means!) I get the sense that things aren't as bad here. I think it's bc there's still this sense of chivalry. Men often hold the door open for me. I had an issue with my bicycle while riding this weekend and a guy stopped and asked if I needed help. I didn't, but I made sure to thank him. Men still feel comfortable doing that sort of thing here and women don't get offended by it.
I also grew up in the American South and see so many men who are prefer to have no emotional connection with their spouse, kids, or friends. It’s a lonely life and sad for those who want to connect with them, too.
Funny thing is I live in Australia and I deplore the way things are going here, when I think of the places I feel still generally display the core values I think of places like Texas.
Yes, come to the rust belt. It is a disaster here. I have been hearing this about the south, kind of want to move there. You get it. Not many people do.
It’s because there are still gender roles here (Alabama) - if and when they go away, chaos will reign. You can’t listen to these people, they live in wealthy bubbles.
@@jutsu1 id argue against that. A child is deemed as immature because they have not grown into a respectable adult yet. Adults can be immature. Putting it from a masculine perspective is a better way to make comparisons of the behaviors. An immature masculine man would have issues with women being in the more senior positions and not like taking advice, or directions from them because they are a woman, while the mature end of the spectrum would not be so insecure to have an issue with that at all. In the same way that immature femininity would expect men to pay for everything, while the opposite knows that she should not expect that of anyone.
Every woman I know loves a strong positive (assertive) man and dislikes a strong negative (aggressive) man or weak positive (passive) man. Assertive means respecting the other persons rights but expressing your rights too.
Problem is that in wester culture aggressiveness is being equated to physical brutality, where in fact aggressiveness is required from mental perspective. That means to have a drive, to chase the goal, to get into competition. In fact emotional men tend to be more aggressive physically, as they are reactive and entitled.
I got dragged into all this gender crap because I was soft. Luckily escaped that nonsense. And got out and started grafting and doing things for others, instead of worrying about my identity. Internet can effect not just kids but adults too. All you need to do to find yourself is look inside. That's who you are and have always been. Never look outside for answers as you'll never find them.
As an older man, we need to pay special attention to helping future generations of men - Though many times they don’t want it, it is our responsibility to provide the best guidance we can.
True. But not merely a guidance I guess. It was more to oversee their life according to the value we grow them. We show them the example of our life on which become a guidance for them, then oversee their action and give a suggestion. An example is much more powerful than just a words of guidance, I guess.
This issue isn’t complicated; men have allowed themselves to be turned into women by masculine women. Because men now refuse to be masculine, women now think it’s their job to be in charge. Matriarchal societies have not and will not ever work.
Some key aspects of masculine energy that I don't believe have changed since the time of the ancient Egyptian's or Romans are being: Logical, Task Oriented, Active, Thinking, Enjoying Competition, Enjoying a Challenge, Making Progress etc. Now, if we take the notion that nothing in life can EVER stay the same, stagnation means death for everything in our universe, once a star becomes stagnant it dies, once a person no longer has the energy to breathe he or she dies. I believe that these old gender norms were becoming stagnant and irrelevant to how society has evolved. I think as older males we can support our younger men to learn to appreciate the changing nature of the world and to see opportunities within the challenges. Everything is energy, were getting some pretty fucked up energy from women in general at the moment, look at the MGTOW movement for example. I would encourage young blokes not to focus on what women are doing or not doing but rather to focus on your own goals and what you want to achieve and then to make it something that you work towards every day, because energy and intent is the key to manifestation. It sounds like mumbo jumbo, but every successful person swears by it. 1. .have tangible goals and do all you can to achieve them 2. spend time reflecting, constantly reviewing what is important to you 3. approach challenges as though the universe is testing what you have learnt 4. gratitude, your mindset is everything
True. Focus on what we can do, instead of what we could not control. I told my twin sons to take their master degree overseas and make earning and hopefully can meet their mate then family over there. At its essence, life is a journey of each of us. I suggest that Fathers all over the world to oversee their sons life.
@@ohnoohnono The biggest reason why someone is illogical is because their emotional biases cloud their objective judgement. Women have more emotional biases than men.
Positive traits: Integrity, inner strength of will, quick problem solvers, grit, responsible, accountable, reliable, attentive, caring. More importantly, maturity and the ability to resolve issues (without making the person the problem by focusing on the problem and not the person). Encourages and celebrates others, especially when people succeed. Listens to understand. Has good comprehension skills. Is a team player. Does not see their partner as a competitor or opponent. Regardless of traditional roles, if something needs to be done, they do it without handholding. Toxic traits: Sanctimonous behaviour Arrogance Controlling behaviour The need to have power iver another person. Wants others to dime their light or make themselves smaller. Hates others achieving. Jealousy Unable to emotionally regulate Trauma dumps Blame shifts Absolves themselves of responsibility Gaslights Manipulates Double standards Takes more then gives Selfish Self centered Leads with ego Weaponized incompetence Ungrateful Unappreciative Abuse of power or status Defensive Passive aggressive Expects people to 'just know' Cherry picks what suits them at the expense of others. Refuses to listen to others if it challenges their world view. Lazy and incompetent.
I just love these videos of very seriously concerned experts talking about our problems. Just know they really really care and to prove how much they care, they're gonna talk even more about it. Do you feel better yet?
"How would YOU like to be non-toxic?!!... It's like the worst recruiting slogan ever." Spot on. I hope more people can watch this video. I see these struggles with my son, his male cousins and so many others of their generation.
I never 'like' anything on TH-cam. I'm 'liking' this because you said the word "nuance" and then discussed the importance of nuance in our modern dialogue. KEEP IT UP.
There is a reason that in the Bible it says, before God there is neither man nor woman. And Jesus showed men and women how to be a good human being and constantly evolve. Everyone can just be themselves, but be careful to not hurt others or be destructive.
@@rahelkamber4839 Unfortunately not everyone feels they can just be themselves, and to be you are, you’ve got to know who you are. For me, a lot of that discovery came from ‘throwing off’ who I was told who I was going to be. To give of yourself is the highest calling, but to give yourself you’ve got to have a self.
I moved to Mexico where men are allowed to be men, and the women know how to treat men. One of the best decisions I ever made. Atlas Shrugged is playing out IRL... but it's your everyday man doing it, not so much John Galt |unless you consider Leo DiCaprio to be JG lol).
Men and women have basically had the same roles for thousands of years but in the last decade these folks think we need to change everything. I will continue to be a traditional male.
Do you hunt all your own food and build your house with your own hands? If not then you’re not traditional and have nothing in common with the last thousands of years.
@missinterpretation4984 Ridiculous. Men generally haven't needed to do these things for hundreds of years yet were still traditional men. Men in the 50s didn't need to hunt or build a house with their own hands, yet they were still traditional men and the women were traditional women. As the OP said, it's only in the last 10/20 years that idiots suddenly think they know better.
We do need to change things. Unless you are an ambitious man with a sole income that can take care of this family on that salary alone, solely relying on the gender roles will not work in this economy. Women are expected to work while being domestic partners in the household. This has caused burnout and resentment leading to one of the main reasons for divorce rate being 50% outside of infidelity.
I think, the break down of generational families has caused mothers to be sole carer of children, instead of having a community and grandparents to ease the load, in that, men are asked to fill the balance and help out more at home with kids and house work. Women also need to now work full time to cover the financials of the house. So both parents are stressed and have no energy and men are needing to take on more traditional former duties because there are no longer extended family and friendship groups.
We don't have a _masculinity_ crisis... We have a ♀freedom crisis _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
Well that’s fascinating. So if I’m reading that correctly, as sexual availability increases, the energy (ie work and forward progress) slows down and the society eventually collapses? That tracks with what I’ve read on the topic. That, historically, society’s where sexual availability is extremely low have a much higher rate of violence and rebellion as males subconsciously look for ways to express control over their sphere of influence. Societies that have cultural norms surrounding how men go about providing for their families and require that they work to receive a mate (like societies where the woman’s father must grant approval for marriage) have a much more stable growth trajectory as men see care taking of their estate as a fulfilling task to be dedicated to and the need for acts of violence are only for the sake of protecting that estate or protecting their society.
Given that both men and women display traits that are inherently "other camp" does it not make more sense to encourage general values? Kindness is not inherently feminine. And anger is not inherently masculine. As we deviate from traditionally assigned gender roles (bread winner, home maker) does it not make more sense to investigate our sense of purpose as humans? Does masculinity or femininity really even need to be a thing?
I like the terms immature and mature to describe human behavior, both masculine and femininity. I don’t like the way this guest skirted around the question, “Is there toxic femininity” of the which the answer at face value is a resounding yes. David Buss does great work in the evolutionary mating strategies between male and female humans. Lastly, if what is good for the individual isn’t good for society, or what is good for society isn’t good for the individual then discussions need to be had on forming a more perfect union. There are problems with feminism at the society and the individual level. Declining birth rates, losing the family bond that America relied on for its core economical strength up to now, just for example.
I sacrificed and put out 3 productive, tax paying workers into society. What do my husband and I get in return for that? (I’m talking on a societal level which you mentioned so don’t say you have a nice family as a result or something. I do and I adore my kids but that’s not the point. Why should anyone do this for society? Is society gonna help us retire someday when we gave up my income for many years to be at home with our kids? Will society pay us back for how much money we had to pay to raise our kids? We were middle class, if that, and didn’t spoil them by any means). So people are being asked to sacrifice for society. Ok.
What he describes, in part, appears to be discriminatory behavior that some men face in academia. The terms “toxic masculinity” is most definitely toxic.
i like how he framed it. i am NOT a defective woman. I don‘t want to be Andrew Tate but I also don‘t want to mold myself into Girl habits. I am a man so I will never be a girl and I don‘t want to be either
@@missinterpretation4984 Wearing your emotions on your sleeve. Non-linear conversations. Overanalyzing and over interpreting situations. Passive aggressive behavior. Lack of assertiveness.
I’ve never been affected by “toxic femininity” at least not in the sense he’s talking about. I know it exists but it has never happened to me. Now I’ve been affected by toxic masculinity and I’m gonna call it toxic because it is. 95% of the men I’ve dated have either been abusive or think they’re superior than me yet have expected me to be stronger, more patient, more mature and understanding than them. And let me not even get started with male bosses. That word is not being thrown easily, we are just waking up to the fact that we are not taught how to be emotionally intelligent. It is a FACT that women have been treated like a tool that a man needs to make babies and make their lives easier. That is changing and it’s not gonna be easy for men to come to that realization. I feel like most are trying their best. Also, it doesn’t mean women don’t do toxic shit. We sure do! I also don’t think that we expect men to make themselves smaller so we can become bigger. Absolutely not! Both genders need to work on their emotional health and become mature thinking people before getting into relationships. What we are not realizing is that without an emotional connection there’s nothing! That’s why most marriages fail.
Neither masculinity nor femininity are toxic. Feminism has become toxic, and it's funhouse mirror image is the redpill&MGTOW movements. It's an important distinction, as not all women are feminists, and not all feminists are women. Examples: If the "male gaze" is objectifying women for sex, the "female gaze" is objectifying men for money (and to a lesser degree, status). "Patriarchy" isn't just a myth, it's a conspiracy theory, where all men are blamed for a tiny minority of men at the top. Most people at the bottom are men: most prisoners are men, where men are more likely to be convicted, and to get longer sentences than women for the same crime. The vast majority of homeless are men, whereas the vast majority of resources for homeless are for the tiny proportion that are women and children. Men work harder jobs, longer hours, and more years of their life in jobs that destroy their bodies, even though they have fewer years of life. And yet, feminists view men as disposable, bodies to be exploited (paternal fraud, false allegations, divorce exploitation, pay gap lie, etc.) and thrown in the trash. In other words, it is a FACT that men are treated like tools too, to make the lives of feminist women easier and better. I don't blame you for not seeing it, a lot of men don't see how women are treated for the same reason (I admit, it took me a long time), as it isn't directed at us, just as misandry isn't directed at you. Marriages fail for a lot of reasons, men's resentment of the above is one, and women's resentment for what you wrote is another. Resenting your partner, instead of both recognizing the contributions of the other to make life better for both, is a great way to end things poorly.
Here's the issue with what you are saying. You are being taught with what is bad and what to avoid. You are not taught what is good. What to be looking out for. If everything is toxic, then i gotta know what the hell is positive in a realistic, pragmatic way.
@guchavela4721 you say that women can be toxic but also claim you've never neen effected by toxic femininity? I find that very hard to believe. You've never been bullied by other women? Ever? And what is up with your selection process if all the guy's you've dated have been horrible?
He's not talking to the every day girls. They are absolutely clamoring for good masculine men in a world filled with scared men. Unfortunately all of this is underpinned by the current political and economic state of the world and will not get better as a society until that oppressive system is corrected. But we do what we can in the meantime.
We should not exclude in basic human rights or harm the other, but we need to separate our strengths and learn to celebrate them. Women need to appreciate that a man can be more assertive, emotionally consistent, and physically stronger than she. Immature feminism is just man bashing because they feel bad inside about something else that has nothing to do with what they are talking about. We need much more awareness in human psychology for humanity to accept this solution
What does 'gender equality' mean in this sentence he utters?: "No one wants to turn against gender equality, but the problems of men get no attention."
Toxic maculinity is Patriarchy. Toxic femininity is Matriarchy. Mean boys are imposing cruel complex hierarchy. Mean girls are imposing cruel complex hierarchy. Healthy would be a more authoritative-informed person rather than an authoritarian- informed person. Acceptence, compassion etc; but above all a more cooperative person over a competitive person.
Young men like myself need God. God will provide purpose and adventure despite our struggles. With that comes a sense of direction in a world gone mad. God speed boys.
comparison against any gender is inhumane. Grandmother can have many wrinkles, but she has beautiful personality so she is beautiful and grandwfathers too. but only a character should be analyzed
13:00 I CRAVE an assertive Man to just overtly take control of my life & allow me a Traditional gender role life without the abuse that previous generations of women faced, men were terrible in days past, but i believe men these days have more of a conscience than before... But men who just take control of you & provide you a harbour so you can fall into your femininity & just Love & Nurture because you're safe & taken care of... those men just don't exist these days & I feel super alone & despondent about relationships as a result.
I think that you have a damaged view, feminism would never have brought any equality if all past men were just abusive towards women, the suffer age movement was not just women, men were involved too, and if they weren't, the men at the top would have won out and women never would have had a vote. Now, the reason you can't find what you are looking for is that the majority of men took the message delivered by second and third wave feminism and we have let you gals do your own thing, and we have pushed ourselves to become more feminine so that in this world of masculinized women, we can still make a balance. Now, 70% of wives in marriages make more or the same amount of money as their husbands. I can't compete financially with the majority of women now, because I couldn't afford higher education because there were NO bursaries, no scholarship programs no financial support for anyone who wasn't female, or trans. So I ended up in the trades, even though I am far more academically inclined, and as such failed miserably to build a good career. Now I have $40,000 of student loan debt from trades college, and the best income I can find is like $15-20/h. My wife had no issue with funding for school, no lack of support growing up, and hasn't made less than $20/h since she got out of school, well over a decade ago. I couldn't support our family in a traditional sense, no matter how hard I worked, no matter how many hours I pulled, and now I'm an unemployed stay at home dad, who gets shamed for it constantly, while even though she constantly told me how much she HATED doing chores and cooking all day, she now regularly reminds me of how she should be at home with the kids. Just for reference, the bursaries available, there were 10 women only ones, and like 7 trans specific ones, and oh yeah there was one for "minorities" which included men of colour. But if you're born with pale skin and a dick, you are probably gonna basically be a janitor, or working stock in a warehouse til you kill yourself because of the constant hopelessness you see all around you.
For women too make themselves bigger. We had to make our selves smaller. I’m so small and insignificant, The scientists think I might have evolved into a fundamental particle
@@mathius_dragoon532 great suggestion. But unfortunately I had Queens Fat bottom girls on my jukebox at the time. Unfortunately I don’t have my jukebox anymore as it got squashed
Immature and mature masculinity 👍 i had the same question in my mind then Steve started to say it😂 he is right: is there something called toxic femininity 😂
We definitely need more nuanced discussion. People (men, women, non-binary) cannot be pigeon-holed into a particular box/category/archetype. This is why things change, why people change. We are trying to navigate this change, and we need to see that there is a spectrum. The whole notion of "male toxicity" has become in and of itself toxic. Yes, there are men who behave badly, and there are women who behave badly, and all the people in between. What we need is to learn to communicate better and to take responsibility for our side of it. I am a cis woman who supports men, women and non-binary human beings. I don't want to turn back time. I want us to continue evolving positively, and this means we support and respect one another, allow for differences, and be more empathic. Thank your for your work. We need to get the word out. I think we have an amazing opportunity to create partnerships and community, and this is what wee need to be working towards, rather than polarizing people.
This whole interview assumes that Individual accountability means little. As a “man”; I’m doing just fine. I’m sorry if other men feel that ”outside” forces are working against them…but welcome to the world that most everyone else has to deal with. I’ve never expected women or the global economy would accommodate me…nor should I. Men need to be accountable for themselves…period
Great broadcast. First s long time I have been getting n the impression that to be a man is a concept. Women know who they are and don’t need to agree on a definition. We just want equality
Its hard to come by MAN of GOD nowadays. I think that's the problem with these teenagers. They see role models in their phones but in-person, nothing. Everyone is on their own these days because social media helped a lot of insecure people find themselves, but in reality its all a lie.
I think "going back" isn't the issue here. Men and women have to accept their responsibilities to each other and society. Women are our mothers and they must accept and embrace that. Men are out fathers and they must accept and embrace that. Both roles are different. Both roles are required and are equally important. Both men and women can also have productive careers and contribute positively to society through their work. Both men and women are responsible for bringing in and raising the next generation. Family and community are as important in life as having a meaningful and impactful career. Men and women face different types of challenges and that's life, making community so important. Making communities, forming relationships, marriage, raising kids etc... It all requires compromise. Whether you're a man or woman, when you reach 40, you're alone, parents dead and all you do is work and eat, you will regret it.
Because it leads to stuff like "men can cheat women can't" shit and women has that shit for ages, and now they are angry and society is giving them the chance to protest basically... It does never lead to men this, women that. It always leads to man superior and stuff...
I think for men, the focus can start with 'do no harm.' Just focusing on being less harmful. Like assault, learn consent culture, less discrimination at work, less objectifying, less expecting women to prop up their empire at the women's expense.
Why not do a survey and discover the scripts of successful men?? Try to weed out the rich and very lucky, as they had a "leg-up" in life. Successful ordinary men.
If men simply looked at the teachings and life of Jesus, it would offer a lot of good guidance. Once you evolve spiritually, you naturally don't harm others or behave in destructive ways. Other than that: just be yourself. Another good example of a man to look up to is Joe Dispenza: confident, successful, clear, a good leader, but never harmful to anyone and very respectful of women.
To men: - become emotionally smart - be respectful to women and the weak - learn manual skills - learn to cook healthy and barbecue - be in nature (sports, hunting) - be clean and tidy - do sports - get a motorcycle You are welcome
I did initially balk at watching this video, as I'm so tired of the vapid thinking behind the populist reactionary masculinity content that's out there, and I'm grateful that I took the time for what was a more thoughtful discussion, and I may well watch the longer version. To me, looking at the last decade, I think we've seen the supremacy of the male sociopath, nurtured by an ever-increasingly individualistic society. Recent leaders of the US, UK and Australia have all exhibited distinctive sociopathic traits, and to a large extent, the "toxic male" stereotype is the modern sociopathic male. The cure for this is empathy. I don't think empathy is gendered, it's a social construct that can be taught and promulgated. Men can still be competitive, aggressive, punch walls or whatever, provided they're cognisant of and sensitive to the effect of their behaviour and actions on the people around them.
But there are only specific masculine behaviours which are toxic, which are the ones that are regressive. I don't think that that should be downplayed. And there are lots of positive masculine traits which aren't feminine. So I think you are oversimplifying. And this is coming from someone who is anti-woke to the hilt, which is the narrative that you are describing here.
Aggression is not true power, and those who revert to it in any shape or form are actually scared and deffensive on the inside. Society has been spoiling men for senturies giving them lots of credit, while women have been doing the difficult emotional work. Now, conversations like these patronise men, and blame their emotional immaturity on the environment, but when are men actully going to do the work of becoming emotionally mature, responsible and kind? There's a lot for them to do, a lot they can help with if they wanted to.
Men are by nature way less emotional than women, so what you are saying is just plain stupid. Same as expecting women to be logical and take accountability: two things you can't expect from most women. Most women don't want emotional/vulnerable man, regardless of what they say. Moment you cry in presence of your women, she will loose all the respect, doesn't matter what she says. Subconsciously she will stop respecting you. This is behavioral biology fact.
We need to state the obvious first and not dance around the subject. Women have a long list of significant advantages in every aspect of life over men. Why do we keep ignoring men’s issues and shift blame solely on the man. I’d argue if we would have equality men would perform much better.
A list of unfair advantages and privileges: Empathy Gap: Gender empathy gap for men and their struggles. (women towards men). Men are more empathetic towards men and women. Education: scholarships and preferential grading during the pandemic there were anonymous exams, and boys got often better grades and girls worse, hinting at a bias against men when the gender is known to the professor. Corporate hiring: women are favored for many well payed jobs because of affirmative action and dei Sick leave: women take 63% more sick leave than men. Even though they are said to be healthier than men. Men are more like to get fired calling in sick. Justice: women get less sentenced for same crimes compared to men Family court: if men get accused of DV he is most likely assumed the perpetrator because in family court men need to prove their innocence and that is sometimes impossible due to lack of evidence. If the man is the victim he gets often ridiculed even though we are not allowed to fight back. Reproductive rights: man have none, not even to their own child if the mother chooses to put it a baby box or for adoption Paternity fraud: Paternity fraud is not punishable in most cases Draft: men are forced to go to war, ( there is a good chance that women will get the draft too in the future)
An interesting note in American history: the social acceptance of divorce in the 1960s led to a significant reduction in the number of women killing their husbands to get out of an abusive marriage. It did not AT ALL reduce the number of men killing their wives to get out of an abusive marriage, because the social and legal consequences for divorce for men were still worse than the possibility of getting caught and going to prison. The difference in prevalence has decreased since then, as the odds of getting away with murder have significantly decreased with modern forensics, but the pattern is still there.
This hits as a made up concern. I work with a lot of retired NYPD officers who have really nasty perspectives on interpersonal communication & inhumane ways of thinking of marginalized groups. They are the most masculine I can imagine a man being & I witness “women hating”language & it is disgusting. Masculine qualities are as made up as feminine qualities & I feel very grateful to live during the period in which gender dissolves into obscurity & we can focus on topics that matter. If anyone feels lost - they should work to find themselves. Not a masculine/feminine label.
You're part of the problem. Men and women are DIFFERENT as a group and as individuals. Men are NOT better than women; women are NOT better than men. They are simply different, with different strengths and weaknesses. These differences have been proven scientifically. Men tend to have better stereoscopic vision, whereas women have better peripheral vision. Women can pick out subtle distinctions in color variations much easier than men. Men are physically stronger, whereas women tend to be more emotionally strong. This is because women talk and gossip and form more closer bonds than men. Men tend to focus on the problem as a problem, and solve it and move on. All of this is documented by years of research from top experts in their fields. So you want to come in here, with your 20ish to 30ish years of life experience and claim that you know better than research done by professionals, some of which is certainly older than you are?
@@msd5808 what does this have to do with the fact that women tend to be better at processing color? Absofuckinglutely nothing. Men being great artists and having a strong sense of color doesn't mean that the average man has less ability to percieve subtle changes in color, when compared to women. Just like the very low percentage of extremely strong women who exist in the world does NOT change the fact that men are stronger than women. The people who have this mentality want so badly for everyone to be the same, in this absurdly weird quest for equality and equity. Yet these same people miss the point of the interlocking puzzle pieces that are humans. Women ARE simply better than men at some things. Men ARE better than women at some things. Instead of accepting the SCIENTIFICALLY backed research, the group with this mentality does their own mental gymnastics to try to disprove what has been proven, and rewrite science in the process. The real world doesn't care about how you feel. It very much cares about the hard data.
Evolutionary Biosocial Dynamics literally makes OP's passage the most baseless, useless, ineffectual opining of interpersonal theology rather than acknowledgement of neurocognitive & social reality I've had the abject displeasure of experiencing in an incredibly long while.
Not so much assertative as having leadership skills. Personally I'd like to see more men be strong confident leaders/protectors....not dictators but more willing to take responsibility.....that in turn would allow women to breathe a sigh of relief & access their positive femininity. I'm quite a strong character but also have strong feminine traits which I've often felt I've had to suppress in order to be 'the man in the relationship '
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. Pretty obvious for all to see where we are currently in the cycle...
Bottom line , men are men and women are women , and their is no in between , that’s by (God) or nature’s design , you can get a sex change , but you’re still a men or women , the chromosomes remain the same . A rose by any other name is still a rose . Men are practical and women are emotional . Men are Alfa and women are bata . Women have given birth to nation’s, she is our link with tomorrow and with out her there is no tomorrow . Men have been the protector and maintainer of nations , we’re not equal one can’t exist with out the other , when you cherish , and respect women , you cherish and respect your tomorrow . Men can not be women and women can’t be men , what you can be is a cheep replica of the genuine article .
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“A man without a vision is a man without a future. A man without a future will always return to his past”
Any man can vision but without moneybags 💰 management team its just vision without any action 😮
@@oneilmarston698 Your comment is just gibberish.
As a woman I argue this is sensible for humans
@@oregonsnob31 sensible humans
@@oneilmarston698Depends on what your vision for yourself is. Not everything costs money, in fact sometimes money can end up costing you. Becoming better you can do for free, financially speaking. It does require a great deal of work though.
Men are not malfunctioning women…….. damn I’ve been treated like that my entire life
If you turn all military age men into women, then there is no one left to stop a government that commits tyranny daily against the people they swore to protect.
It's built into the way the school system was designed. Our teachers saw boys as defective girls.
As a young man I appreciate the fact that this problem is getting attention!
The only reason is because of Andrew Tate. If people like Reeves don't talk about this Tate will.
As an old man I appreciate it!
10,000%
Feminists are sad!
@@jutsu1Warren Farrell’s been talking about this issue before Tate came along.
The problem is women trying to tell men what masculinity means
Same problem with men telling women what femininity is🙄
No
@@zerotolerance2026 can you give an example?
@@TheCookieNetworkconservatives that push the trad wife stuff
Grow a pair
Mature and immature masculinity is a really great way to look at it. Going to be using this
Total garbage.
10:15 "..Immature and mature masculinity". Since the beginning, it has always been like this.
@bu5589, what is masculinity?
@@budbasAre you aware that the large majority of people don’t even know what masculinity is, let alone what it even means.
@@shaneashby5890 what is masculinity?
The bit at the end hit me hard ive just separated from my partner of 11 yrs and as most women do has took my son also.......im 45 yrs old and really dont know anymore my role as man. I tried to all things and we never seem to get it right ever. From a womens point of view we are expected to provide to protect be thoughtful and caring be domesticated and understanding all while being masculine bullet proof and tough we are expected to go in the trenches and battle and a minute later be calm and compassionate.....we cant moan we cant struggle show weakness but understand weakness and struggle with empathy....we are expected to be everything all the time and when we fall short which is inevitable we are vilified for our short comings!!! Ive now realised its an impossible role to fulfill.
It’s a much happier life single. Society is degrading at an astonishing rate. Get your passport and see the world. Your happiness is paramount if there is anything I’ve learned once I came out the other side.👍 women are a waste of time and money. Especially modern women.
@koleclement9899 it's early days for me yet mate still struggling with loss of purpose, lots of guilt for some reason etc after 11 yrs of coming home from work to a lovely hectic family life it's pretty darn tough coming home to an empty house.....im finding the silence a different kind of quiet now one I'm not yet comfortable with. But fingers crossed as time goes by I might be able to once again find solace in my own company and be content with where I've ended up in life. Thanks for the reply and the words of encouragement
We men are to a degree the fault of that. We men established the patriarchal society which for centuries had said we are the supermen, the hero, the earner etc., we put that onus on ourselves. We are also the ones who said the women stay at home and raise the children, and thus have inserted it into the system which results on, as a default, giving the child to the woman. We need a new paradigm without giving up masculinity.
@xelasomar4614 couldn't agree more unfortunately times have changed and there needs to be a change of mindset with regards gender roles but old habits die hard
YES! You get it. I assume you are blue collar. It is worse if you are a laborer.
You can't go back. There are too many new problems constantly evolving.
What problems? What does “going back” mean?
Oh you *can* go back, it's just a matter if men are *willing* to do it.
And that means no more rights and freedoms for ♀
__Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
Because of feminism.
@@evilwhitey98 The problems that come with being a man. You can't go back to being a child.
1 Corinthians 13:11
7:42 I completely agree, i always found the talking points of toxic masculinity as toxic itself. Ways to control and manipulate you to change to how they want you to be. Just by calling you toxic for being a man...
Immature and mature are the same shaming language.
I live in the American South, and (while it's not perfect by any means!) I get the sense that things aren't as bad here. I think it's bc there's still this sense of chivalry. Men often hold the door open for me. I had an issue with my bicycle while riding this weekend and a guy stopped and asked if I needed help. I didn't, but I made sure to thank him. Men still feel comfortable doing that sort of thing here and women don't get offended by it.
Thank God there is still somewhere in the world that has tradition and values.
I also grew up in the American South and see so many men who are prefer to have no emotional connection with their spouse, kids, or friends. It’s a lonely life and sad for those who want to connect with them, too.
Funny thing is I live in Australia and I deplore the way things are going here, when I think of the places I feel still generally display the core values I think of places like Texas.
Yes, come to the rust belt. It is a disaster here. I have been hearing this about the south, kind of want to move there. You get it. Not many people do.
It’s because there are still gender roles here (Alabama) - if and when they go away, chaos will reign. You can’t listen to these people, they live in wealthy bubbles.
In the state government in Victoria, Australia…they have a minister for men’s behavioural change…not one for woman tho…
We’re going down hill fast here
Yeah they really lost me with that one. A sad indicator of the status quo
Is that maybe because the ratio of violence and murdering one another isn’t exactly matched?
Women are 8 times more likely to kill their own infants than they are to be murdered by a man. @@missinterpretation4984
What are they talking about when they say "behavioral change"? That is very vague.
Immature and mature sounds so much more open. Have hated the term toxic masculinity, will definitely start approaching conversations with this.
It's basically the same control of men. Immature and mature is basically more shaming language.
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. There are good people and there are bad people and that’s it. That buzzword was created by misandrists.
@@jutsu1 id argue against that. A child is deemed as immature because they have not grown into a respectable adult yet. Adults can be immature. Putting it from a masculine perspective is a better way to make comparisons of the behaviors. An immature masculine man would have issues with women being in the more senior positions and not like taking advice, or directions from them because they are a woman, while the mature end of the spectrum would not be so insecure to have an issue with that at all. In the same way that immature femininity would expect men to pay for everything, while the opposite knows that she should not expect that of anyone.
Read this book
David Tuffley
Being Assertive: Finding the Sweet-Spot between Passive & Aggressive
What were the benefits of reading this book, that you got?
Every woman I know loves a strong positive (assertive) man and dislikes a strong negative (aggressive) man or weak positive (passive) man.
Assertive means respecting the other persons rights but expressing your rights too.
Problem is that in wester culture aggressiveness is being equated to physical brutality, where in fact aggressiveness is required from mental perspective.
That means to have a drive, to chase the goal, to get into competition.
In fact emotional men tend to be more aggressive physically, as they are reactive and entitled.
True
This is such a valuable conversation. Thank you!!!
Only a woman would think that
Thank you for having these discussions. Yes, I want a better world for my sons and know it is necessary for progress .
Why? This guy is a feminist.
Being a guy in today's world sucks. People act like we don't have any feelings.
This is a great piece. Happy that it came up in my feed.
Damn, everything I have been thinking and more! you sir have hit the nail on the head in terms of phrasing, to explain what men are going through.
This guy is a feminist, he still wants women to be over men. The only reason his talking now is because of guys like Andrew Tate.
Have you ever considered asking David Attenborough to your show.
I got dragged into all this gender crap because I was soft. Luckily escaped that nonsense. And got out and started grafting and doing things for others, instead of worrying about my identity. Internet can effect not just kids but adults too. All you need to do to find yourself is look inside. That's who you are and have always been. Never look outside for answers as you'll never find them.
Sometimes people are so brainwashed they can't find it in their selves even
As an older man, we need to pay special attention to helping future generations of men - Though many times they don’t want it, it is our responsibility to provide the best guidance we can.
Now you realise
@@johnnyng8527 young men need to step up and ask for guidance as well.
True. But not merely a guidance I guess. It was more to oversee their life according to the value we grow them. We show them the example of our life on which become a guidance for them, then oversee their action and give a suggestion. An example is much more powerful than just a words of guidance, I guess.
The way we start this is by stop letting single mothers raise boys without a virtuous masculine father.
This hits home " in order for woman to get bigger, we ( men) had to get smaller" profound perspective on the modern gender debate.
This issue isn’t complicated; men have allowed themselves to be turned into women by masculine women. Because men now refuse to be masculine, women now think it’s their job to be in charge. Matriarchal societies have not and will not ever work.
That says a lot about how much autonomy women had in the past, if any 😊
He's spot on 👏🙌
Some key aspects of masculine energy that I don't believe have changed since the time of the ancient Egyptian's or Romans are being: Logical, Task Oriented, Active, Thinking, Enjoying Competition, Enjoying a Challenge, Making Progress etc. Now, if we take the notion that nothing in life can EVER stay the same, stagnation means death for everything in our universe, once a star becomes stagnant it dies, once a person no longer has the energy to breathe he or she dies. I believe that these old gender norms were becoming stagnant and irrelevant to how society has evolved. I think as older males we can support our younger men to learn to appreciate the changing nature of the world and to see opportunities within the challenges. Everything is energy, were getting some pretty fucked up energy from women in general at the moment, look at the MGTOW movement for example. I would encourage young blokes not to focus on what women are doing or not doing but rather to focus on your own goals and what you want to achieve and then to make it something that you work towards every day, because energy and intent is the key to manifestation. It sounds like mumbo jumbo, but every successful person swears by it.
1. .have tangible goals and do all you can to achieve them
2. spend time reflecting, constantly reviewing what is important to you
3. approach challenges as though the universe is testing what you have learnt
4. gratitude, your mindset is everything
True. Focus on what we can do, instead of what we could not control.
I told my twin sons to take their master degree overseas and make earning and hopefully can meet their mate then family over there. At its essence, life is a journey of each of us. I suggest that Fathers all over the world to oversee their sons life.
As a man, do you consider men to be logical? Vs women who watch showa like Kim Kardashian etc, maybe
@ohnoohnono definitely I think logic is a more masculine trait.
@@mensconnectionnetwork can you give me some examples? Nothing fancy just to understand your point
@@ohnoohnono The biggest reason why someone is illogical is because their emotional biases cloud their objective judgement. Women have more emotional biases than men.
It's sad that reasonable open-minded conversations of what it means to be a man in the modern world, like this one, are so rare.
They should bring Andrew Tate on along with Reeves to have a debate.
It's only rare if you were raised by a single mother. If you were raised by a virtuous masculine father, then masculinity is all you know.
These are the positive conversations we need for young men
Positive traits:
Integrity, inner strength of will, quick problem solvers, grit, responsible, accountable, reliable, attentive, caring.
More importantly, maturity and the ability to resolve issues (without making the person the problem by focusing on the problem and not the person). Encourages and celebrates others, especially when people succeed.
Listens to understand. Has good comprehension skills.
Is a team player. Does not see their partner as a competitor or opponent.
Regardless of traditional roles, if something needs to be done, they do it without handholding.
Toxic traits:
Sanctimonous behaviour
Arrogance
Controlling behaviour
The need to have power iver another person.
Wants others to dime their light or make themselves smaller.
Hates others achieving.
Jealousy
Unable to emotionally regulate
Trauma dumps
Blame shifts
Absolves themselves of responsibility
Gaslights
Manipulates
Double standards
Takes more then gives
Selfish
Self centered
Leads with ego
Weaponized incompetence
Ungrateful
Unappreciative
Abuse of power or status
Defensive
Passive aggressive
Expects people to 'just know'
Cherry picks what suits them at the expense of others.
Refuses to listen to others if it challenges their world view.
Lazy and incompetent.
Expert ? Bla bla bla. Gough Whitlam (Australia) gave us the No Fault Clause (1975) men have been paying the price ever since.
I just love these videos of very seriously concerned experts talking about our problems. Just know they really really care and to prove how much they care, they're gonna talk even more about it. Do you feel better yet?
"How would YOU like to be non-toxic?!!... It's like the worst recruiting slogan ever." Spot on.
I hope more people can watch this video. I see these struggles with my son, his male cousins and so many others of their generation.
I never 'like' anything on TH-cam. I'm 'liking' this because you said the word "nuance" and then discussed the importance of nuance in our modern dialogue. KEEP IT UP.
The timing is literally insane 🙂, like how??!???
You mean the same narrative that’s being pushed by right wing podcasters for years now? This message feels tired.
If there is a purpose to life, it is to laugh at it.
Well considering the entire Western world is going down the toilet. I don’t see how this is a laughing matter.
Like ‘The Comedian’ in the film The Watchmen
How about striving to be a flexible human. The tribe is a human tribe.
A good start
There is a reason that in the Bible it says, before God there is neither man nor woman. And Jesus showed men and women how to be a good human being and constantly evolve. Everyone can just be themselves, but be careful to not hurt others or be destructive.
@@rahelkamber4839 Unfortunately not everyone feels they can just be themselves, and to be you are, you’ve got to know who you are. For me, a lot of that discovery came from ‘throwing off’ who I was told who I was going to be. To give of yourself is the highest calling, but to give yourself you’ve got to have a self.
@@edwardmeradith2419 Thank you for this elaborate answer.
@@edwardmeradith2419 I agree it starts at a very young age, where boys are not allowed to be themselves. We should teach people how to parent.
I moved to Mexico where men are allowed to be men, and the women know how to treat men. One of the best decisions I ever made. Atlas Shrugged is playing out IRL... but it's your everyday man doing it, not so much John Galt |unless you consider Leo DiCaprio to be JG lol).
Don't listen to these soft corks.
Pave your own way, stop seeing the world in this depressive state.
Toxic masculinity IS a slur!
No, it’s pure misandry.
@@shaneashby5890 yes, I totally agree!
Men and women have basically had the same roles for thousands of years but in the last decade these folks think we need to change everything. I will continue to be a traditional male.
Do you hunt all your own food and build your house with your own hands? If not then you’re not traditional and have nothing in common with the last thousands of years.
He's talking about gender dynamics not technology @@missinterpretation4984
@missinterpretation4984 Ridiculous. Men generally haven't needed to do these things for hundreds of years yet were still traditional men. Men in the 50s didn't need to hunt or build a house with their own hands, yet they were still traditional men and the women were traditional women. As the OP said, it's only in the last 10/20 years that idiots suddenly think they know better.
We do need to change things. Unless you are an ambitious man with a sole income that can take care of this family on that salary alone, solely relying on the gender roles will not work in this economy. Women are expected to work while being domestic partners in the household. This has caused burnout and resentment leading to one of the main reasons for divorce rate being 50% outside of infidelity.
@@intellextualweq3830don't tell them, leave them in their delusions that women are evil by design
Also. Men and women integrate feminine and masculine energies.
Great documentary called The Mask You Live In on YT well worth a watch
Be assertive young men.
Finally the correct use of the word ‘reactionary’ in a podcast. 🎉
I think, the break down of generational families has caused mothers to be sole carer of children, instead of having a community and grandparents to ease the load, in that, men are asked to fill the balance and help out more at home with kids and house work. Women also need to now work full time to cover the financials of the house. So both parents are stressed and have no energy and men are needing to take on more traditional former duties because there are no longer extended family and friendship groups.
Look up an old documentary titled Tough Guise (yes, guise as in the facade). This guy knew what the problem is.
We don't have a _masculinity_ crisis...
We have a ♀freedom crisis
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
Well that’s fascinating.
So if I’m reading that correctly, as sexual availability increases, the energy (ie work and forward progress) slows down and the society eventually collapses?
That tracks with what I’ve read on the topic. That, historically, society’s where sexual availability is extremely low have a much higher rate of violence and rebellion as males subconsciously look for ways to express control over their sphere of influence.
Societies that have cultural norms surrounding how men go about providing for their families and require that they work to receive a mate (like societies where the woman’s father must grant approval for marriage) have a much more stable growth trajectory as men see care taking of their estate as a fulfilling task to be dedicated to and the need for acts of violence are only for the sake of protecting that estate or protecting their society.
100% agree
I fell in love with my husband because he is so masculine.
🙄
Would love to know examples you would give that make him so masculine that attracts you to him. Genuinely curious.
Given that both men and women display traits that are inherently "other camp" does it not make more sense to encourage general values? Kindness is not inherently feminine. And anger is not inherently masculine. As we deviate from traditionally assigned gender roles (bread winner, home maker) does it not make more sense to investigate our sense of purpose as humans? Does masculinity or femininity really even need to be a thing?
I like the terms immature and mature to describe human behavior, both masculine and femininity.
I don’t like the way this guest skirted around the question, “Is there toxic femininity” of the which the answer at face value is a resounding yes.
David Buss does great work in the evolutionary mating strategies between male and female humans.
Lastly, if what is good for the individual isn’t good for society, or what is good for society isn’t good for the individual then discussions need to be had on forming a more perfect union.
There are problems with feminism at the society and the individual level. Declining birth rates, losing the family bond that America relied on for its core economical strength up to now, just for example.
u have a channel?
I sacrificed and put out 3 productive, tax paying workers into society. What do my husband and I get in return for that?
(I’m talking on a societal level which you mentioned so don’t say you have a nice family as a result or something. I do and I adore my kids but that’s not the point. Why should anyone do this for society? Is society gonna help us retire someday when we gave up my income for many years to be at home with our kids?
Will society pay us back for how much money we had to pay to raise our kids? We were middle class, if that, and didn’t spoil them by any means).
So people are being asked to sacrifice for society. Ok.
@kc6810 survival
@@RyanClone
Enlighten me.
What he describes, in part, appears to be discriminatory behavior that some men face in academia. The terms “toxic masculinity” is most definitely toxic.
i like how he framed it. i am NOT a defective woman. I don‘t want to be Andrew Tate but I also don‘t want to mold myself into Girl habits. I am a man so I will never be a girl and I don‘t want to be either
What are girl habits?
@@missinterpretation4984
Yeah I was baffled at that too. I assume she meant "girly things" by the male standards
@@MsMookalate IDK in the video he describes being emotionally mature and spending time with your kids as feminine so I think these ppl are just crazy.
@@missinterpretation4984 Wearing your emotions on your sleeve. Non-linear conversations. Overanalyzing and over interpreting situations. Passive aggressive behavior. Lack of assertiveness.
I’ve never been affected by “toxic femininity” at least not in the sense he’s talking about. I know it exists but it has never happened to me. Now I’ve been affected by toxic masculinity and I’m gonna call it toxic because it is. 95% of the men I’ve dated have either been abusive or think they’re superior than me yet have expected me to be stronger, more patient, more mature and understanding than them. And let me not even get started with male bosses. That word is not being thrown easily, we are just waking up to the fact that we are not taught how to be emotionally intelligent. It is a FACT that women have been treated like a tool that a man needs to make babies and make their lives easier. That is changing and it’s not gonna be easy for men to come to that realization. I feel like most are trying their best. Also, it doesn’t mean women don’t do toxic shit. We sure do! I also don’t think that we expect men to make themselves smaller so we can become bigger. Absolutely not! Both genders need to work on their emotional health and become mature thinking people before getting into relationships. What we are not realizing is that without an emotional connection there’s nothing! That’s why most marriages fail.
Neither masculinity nor femininity are toxic. Feminism has become toxic, and it's funhouse mirror image is the redpill&MGTOW movements. It's an important distinction, as not all women are feminists, and not all feminists are women.
Examples:
If the "male gaze" is objectifying women for sex, the "female gaze" is objectifying men for money (and to a lesser degree, status).
"Patriarchy" isn't just a myth, it's a conspiracy theory, where all men are blamed for a tiny minority of men at the top. Most people at the bottom are men: most prisoners are men, where men are more likely to be convicted, and to get longer sentences than women for the same crime. The vast majority of homeless are men, whereas the vast majority of resources for homeless are for the tiny proportion that are women and children. Men work harder jobs, longer hours, and more years of their life in jobs that destroy their bodies, even though they have fewer years of life. And yet, feminists view men as disposable, bodies to be exploited (paternal fraud, false allegations, divorce exploitation, pay gap lie, etc.) and thrown in the trash.
In other words, it is a FACT that men are treated like tools too, to make the lives of feminist women easier and better.
I don't blame you for not seeing it, a lot of men don't see how women are treated for the same reason (I admit, it took me a long time), as it isn't directed at us, just as misandry isn't directed at you.
Marriages fail for a lot of reasons, men's resentment of the above is one, and women's resentment for what you wrote is another. Resenting your partner, instead of both recognizing the contributions of the other to make life better for both, is a great way to end things poorly.
Here's the issue with what you are saying. You are being taught with what is bad and what to avoid. You are not taught what is good. What to be looking out for. If everything is toxic, then i gotta know what the hell is positive in a realistic, pragmatic way.
@@acevedojoshua111 everything is toxic who said that? I barely understood your response.
@@acevedojoshua111huh? Are you just responding just to respond? Did you even bother to read AND comprehend what she just said?
@guchavela4721 you say that women can be toxic but also claim you've never neen effected by toxic femininity? I find that very hard to believe. You've never been bullied by other women? Ever?
And what is up with your selection process if all the guy's you've dated have been horrible?
He's not talking to the every day girls. They are absolutely clamoring for good masculine men in a world filled with scared men. Unfortunately all of this is underpinned by the current political and economic state of the world and will not get better as a society until that oppressive system is corrected. But we do what we can in the meantime.
We should not exclude in basic human rights or harm the other, but we need to separate our strengths and learn to celebrate them. Women need to appreciate that a man can be more assertive, emotionally consistent, and physically stronger than she.
Immature feminism is just man bashing because they feel bad inside about something else that has nothing to do with what they are talking about.
We need much more awareness in human psychology for humanity to accept this solution
SPOT ON - "Treating Men like malfunctioning women" - Go to any state school in the UK and this is what you will see....
What does 'gender equality' mean in this sentence he utters?:
"No one wants to turn against gender equality, but the problems of men get no attention."
he means equal rejection of traditional gender roles
Toxic maculinity is Patriarchy.
Toxic femininity is Matriarchy.
Mean boys are imposing cruel complex hierarchy.
Mean girls are imposing cruel complex hierarchy.
Healthy would be a more authoritative-informed person rather than an authoritarian- informed person. Acceptence, compassion etc; but above all a more cooperative person over a competitive person.
Young men like myself need God. God will provide purpose and adventure despite our struggles. With that comes a sense of direction in a world gone mad. God speed boys.
comparison against any gender is inhumane.
Grandmother can have many wrinkles, but she has beautiful personality so she is beautiful
and grandwfathers too.
but only a character should be analyzed
Heard of positive and negative anima and animus?
13:00 I CRAVE an assertive Man to just overtly take control of my life & allow me a Traditional gender role life without the abuse that previous generations of women faced, men were terrible in days past, but i believe men these days have more of a conscience than before...
But men who just take control of you & provide you a harbour so you can fall into your femininity & just Love & Nurture because you're safe & taken care of... those men just don't exist these days & I feel super alone & despondent about relationships as a result.
Society is actively hostile to men that do that now. That's literally what his entire point was.
I think that you have a damaged view, feminism would never have brought any equality if all past men were just abusive towards women, the suffer age movement was not just women, men were involved too, and if they weren't, the men at the top would have won out and women never would have had a vote.
Now, the reason you can't find what you are looking for is that the majority of men took the message delivered by second and third wave feminism and we have let you gals do your own thing, and we have pushed ourselves to become more feminine so that in this world of masculinized women, we can still make a balance.
Now, 70% of wives in marriages make more or the same amount of money as their husbands.
I can't compete financially with the majority of women now, because I couldn't afford higher education because there were NO bursaries, no scholarship programs no financial support for anyone who wasn't female, or trans.
So I ended up in the trades, even though I am far more academically inclined, and as such failed miserably to build a good career.
Now I have $40,000 of student loan debt from trades college, and the best income I can find is like $15-20/h.
My wife had no issue with funding for school, no lack of support growing up, and hasn't made less than $20/h since she got out of school, well over a decade ago.
I couldn't support our family in a traditional sense, no matter how hard I worked, no matter how many hours I pulled, and now I'm an unemployed stay at home dad, who gets shamed for it constantly, while even though she constantly told me how much she HATED doing chores and cooking all day, she now regularly reminds me of how she should be at home with the kids.
Just for reference, the bursaries available, there were 10 women only ones, and like 7 trans specific ones, and oh yeah there was one for "minorities" which included men of colour.
But if you're born with pale skin and a dick, you are probably gonna basically be a janitor, or working stock in a warehouse til you kill yourself because of the constant hopelessness you see all around you.
No incentive to be that kind of man today. The juice is not worth the squeeze.
@@Clockwork.Lemon854 Women are thinking the same thing about Men, but it is Men that this stand off affects more & the statistics reflect that.
Just buy a dog 🐶 or date da bus driver or train driver
I will go out of my way to help someone in need. But I’m also a man so therefore I guess I’m just shit. 🤷🏻♂️
For women too make themselves bigger.
We had to make our selves smaller.
I’m so small and insignificant,
The scientists think I might have evolved into a fundamental particle
Did you do that to the tune of "Modern Major General"?
@@mathius_dragoon532 great suggestion.
But unfortunately I had Queens Fat bottom girls on my jukebox at the time.
Unfortunately I don’t have my jukebox anymore as it got squashed
Immature and mature masculinity 👍 i had the same question in my mind then Steve started to say it😂 he is right: is there something called toxic femininity 😂
Yes it is, usually called feminazis. That's the face of toxic femininity.
We definitely need more nuanced discussion. People (men, women, non-binary) cannot be pigeon-holed into a particular box/category/archetype. This is why things change, why people change. We are trying to navigate this change, and we need to see that there is a spectrum. The whole notion of "male toxicity" has become in and of itself toxic. Yes, there are men who behave badly, and there are women who behave badly, and all the people in between. What we need is to learn to communicate better and to take responsibility for our side of it. I am a cis woman who supports men, women and non-binary human beings. I don't want to turn back time. I want us to continue evolving positively, and this means we support and respect one another, allow for differences, and be more empathic. Thank your for your work. We need to get the word out. I think we have an amazing opportunity to create partnerships and community, and this is what wee need to be working towards, rather than polarizing people.
Egos need to be let go of n nurtured
This whole interview assumes that Individual accountability means little. As a “man”; I’m doing just fine. I’m sorry if other men feel that ”outside” forces are working against them…but welcome to the world that most everyone else has to deal with. I’ve never expected women or the global economy would accommodate me…nor should I. Men need to be accountable for themselves…period
I think you are missing the point of what those people are trying to say.
As a man, thank you
Great broadcast. First s long time I have been getting n the impression that to be a man is a concept. Women know who they are and don’t need to agree on a definition.
We just want equality
No such thing as progress ✖️
So this is what u call an expert😅
Its hard to come by MAN of GOD nowadays. I think that's the problem with these teenagers. They see role models in their phones but in-person, nothing. Everyone is on their own these days because social media helped a lot of insecure people find themselves, but in reality its all a lie.
I think "going back" isn't the issue here. Men and women have to accept their responsibilities to each other and society. Women are our mothers and they must accept and embrace that. Men are out fathers and they must accept and embrace that. Both roles are different. Both roles are required and are equally important. Both men and women can also have productive careers and contribute positively to society through their work. Both men and women are responsible for bringing in and raising the next generation. Family and community are as important in life as having a meaningful and impactful career. Men and women face different types of challenges and that's life, making community so important. Making communities, forming relationships, marriage, raising kids etc... It all requires compromise. Whether you're a man or woman, when you reach 40, you're alone, parents dead and all you do is work and eat, you will regret it.
Giving birth destroys your body, just saying
women are not babymaking slaves you misogynists incel
the manosphere is the most damaging to men
Why is it so hard to say men and women are different?
Because it leads to stuff like "men can cheat women can't" shit and women has that shit for ages, and now they are angry and society is giving them the chance to protest basically... It does never lead to men this, women that. It always leads to man superior and stuff...
I think for men, the focus can start with 'do no harm.' Just focusing on being less harmful. Like assault, learn consent culture, less discrimination at work, less objectifying, less expecting women to prop up their empire at the women's expense.
Mgtow
Why not do a survey and discover the scripts of successful men?? Try to weed out the rich and very lucky, as they had a "leg-up" in life. Successful ordinary men.
The resulting sample size would be too small to have any real meaning.
If men simply looked at the teachings and life of Jesus, it would offer a lot of good guidance. Once you evolve spiritually, you naturally don't harm others or behave in destructive ways. Other than that: just be yourself. Another good example of a man to look up to is Joe Dispenza: confident, successful, clear, a good leader, but never harmful to anyone and very respectful of women.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth...
To men:
- become emotionally smart
- be respectful to women and the weak
- learn manual skills
- learn to cook healthy and barbecue
- be in nature (sports, hunting)
- be clean and tidy
- do sports
- get a motorcycle
You are welcome
Yes!!! Get a motorbike!! 🏍👏
No sorry , women don’t understand that everything boils down to jungle law and what that entails , only when shtf will they understand
So what is mature and immature femininity?
😒the Brit-ish, they speak so proper 😚
I did initially balk at watching this video, as I'm so tired of the vapid thinking behind the populist reactionary masculinity content that's out there, and I'm grateful that I took the time for what was a more thoughtful discussion, and I may well watch the longer version. To me, looking at the last decade, I think we've seen the supremacy of the male sociopath, nurtured by an ever-increasingly individualistic society. Recent leaders of the US, UK and Australia have all exhibited distinctive sociopathic traits, and to a large extent, the "toxic male" stereotype is the modern sociopathic male. The cure for this is empathy. I don't think empathy is gendered, it's a social construct that can be taught and promulgated. Men can still be competitive, aggressive, punch walls or whatever, provided they're cognisant of and sensitive to the effect of their behaviour and actions on the people around them.
But there are only specific masculine behaviours which are toxic, which are the ones that are regressive. I don't think that that should be downplayed. And there are lots of positive masculine traits which aren't feminine. So I think you are oversimplifying. And this is coming from someone who is anti-woke to the hilt, which is the narrative that you are describing here.
Unconscious misandry is chauvinism, right?
The worst thing is the majority of people don’t even know what misandry is.
Aggression is not true power, and those who revert to it in any shape or form are actually scared and deffensive on the inside. Society has been spoiling men for senturies giving them lots of credit, while women have been doing the difficult emotional work. Now, conversations like these patronise men, and blame their emotional immaturity on the environment, but when are men actully going to do the work of becoming emotionally mature, responsible and kind? There's a lot for them to do, a lot they can help with if they wanted to.
Men are by nature way less emotional than women, so what you are saying is just plain stupid.
Same as expecting women to be logical and take accountability: two things you can't expect from most women.
Most women don't want emotional/vulnerable man, regardless of what they say.
Moment you cry in presence of your women, she will loose all the respect, doesn't matter what she says. Subconsciously she will stop respecting you.
This is behavioral biology fact.
They are never going to do it, they will find a way lo blame women, pardon, the females lol
We need to state the obvious first and not dance around the subject.
Women have a long list of significant advantages in every aspect of life over men.
Why do we keep ignoring men’s issues and shift blame solely on the man. I’d argue if we would have equality men would perform much better.
A list of unfair advantages and privileges:
Empathy Gap: Gender empathy gap for men and their struggles. (women towards men). Men are more empathetic towards men and women.
Education: scholarships and preferential grading during the pandemic there were anonymous exams, and boys got often better grades and girls worse, hinting at a bias against men when the gender is known to the professor.
Corporate hiring: women are favored for many well payed jobs because of affirmative action and dei
Sick leave: women take 63% more sick leave than men. Even though they are said to be healthier than men. Men are more like to get fired calling in sick.
Justice: women get less sentenced for same crimes compared to men
Family court: if men get accused of DV he is most likely assumed the perpetrator because in family court men need to prove their innocence and that is sometimes impossible due to lack of evidence. If the man is the victim he gets often ridiculed even though we are not allowed to fight back.
Reproductive rights: man have none, not even to their own child if the mother chooses to put it a baby box or for adoption
Paternity fraud: Paternity fraud is not punishable in most cases
Draft: men are forced to go to war, ( there is a good chance that women will get the draft too in the future)
Like watching over their shoulder all the time wherever they go?
I blame absent fathers and divorce as the main cause.
Blame wives kicking dads outs
An interesting note in American history: the social acceptance of divorce in the 1960s led to a significant reduction in the number of women killing their husbands to get out of an abusive marriage. It did not AT ALL reduce the number of men killing their wives to get out of an abusive marriage, because the social and legal consequences for divorce for men were still worse than the possibility of getting caught and going to prison. The difference in prevalence has decreased since then, as the odds of getting away with murder have significantly decreased with modern forensics, but the pattern is still there.
That totally ignores ideologies like feminism which encourage women not to have famillies and to be indepedent, as well as to be less feminine.
This hits as a made up concern. I work with a lot of retired NYPD officers who have really nasty perspectives on interpersonal communication & inhumane ways of thinking of marginalized groups. They are the most masculine I can imagine a man being & I witness “women hating”language & it is disgusting.
Masculine qualities are as made up as feminine qualities & I feel very grateful to live during the period in which gender dissolves into obscurity & we can focus on topics that matter.
If anyone feels lost - they should work to find themselves. Not a masculine/feminine label.
You're part of the problem. Men and women are DIFFERENT as a group and as individuals. Men are NOT better than women; women are NOT better than men. They are simply different, with different strengths and weaknesses.
These differences have been proven scientifically. Men tend to have better stereoscopic vision, whereas women have better peripheral vision. Women can pick out subtle distinctions in color variations much easier than men.
Men are physically stronger, whereas women tend to be more emotionally strong. This is because women talk and gossip and form more closer bonds than men. Men tend to focus on the problem as a problem, and solve it and move on. All of this is documented by years of research from top experts in their fields.
So you want to come in here, with your 20ish to 30ish years of life experience and claim that you know better than research done by professionals, some of which is certainly older than you are?
@@Xoulrath_regarding colors, many of the greatest artists have been men. They have made great subtle use of color, as much as any female artists?
@@msd5808 what does this have to do with the fact that women tend to be better at processing color? Absofuckinglutely nothing. Men being great artists and having a strong sense of color doesn't mean that the average man has less ability to percieve subtle changes in color, when compared to women. Just like the very low percentage of extremely strong women who exist in the world does NOT change the fact that men are stronger than women.
The people who have this mentality want so badly for everyone to be the same, in this absurdly weird quest for equality and equity. Yet these same people miss the point of the interlocking puzzle pieces that are humans.
Women ARE simply better than men at some things. Men ARE better than women at some things. Instead of accepting the SCIENTIFICALLY backed research, the group with this mentality does their own mental gymnastics to try to disprove what has been proven, and rewrite science in the process. The real world doesn't care about how you feel. It very much cares about the hard data.
Evolutionary Biosocial Dynamics literally makes OP's passage the most baseless, useless, ineffectual opining of interpersonal theology rather than acknowledgement of neurocognitive & social reality I've had the abject displeasure of experiencing in an incredibly long while.
@@ts8206who?
Tate ain't wrong. Women want the easy airconned work.
Be the best version of yourself……seek to improve always because you will never be the perfect male or female.
Not so much assertative as having leadership skills. Personally I'd like to see more men be strong confident leaders/protectors....not dictators but more willing to take responsibility.....that in turn would allow women to breathe a sigh of relief & access their positive femininity. I'm quite a strong character but also have strong feminine traits which I've often felt I've had to suppress in order to be 'the man in the relationship '
Anyone else feel like this guy just said a whole lot of nothing?
He is a feminist
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
Pretty obvious for all to see where we are currently in the cycle...
The time when men have become completely irrelevant to the situation?
Weak men create hard times that's me right 👉 now
“Rise of Women” has not been amazing.
Both the men talking have no clue how men should behave.
Can you enlighten us?
Bottom line , men are men and women are women , and their is no in between , that’s by (God) or nature’s design , you can get a sex change , but you’re still a men or women , the chromosomes remain the same . A rose by any other name is still a rose . Men are practical and women are emotional . Men are Alfa and women are bata . Women have given birth to nation’s, she is our link with tomorrow and with out her there is no tomorrow . Men have been the protector and maintainer of nations , we’re not equal one can’t exist with out the other , when you cherish , and respect women , you cherish and respect your tomorrow . Men can not be women and women can’t be men , what you can be is a cheep replica of the genuine article .
You can thank the woke liberals for that 👎👎
No, you can thank men who whant to live in a world we left behing.
there is nothing wrong with going back to how it used to be, when men were men, and women were women!