Are High Performance Tires Worth It? | The Fine Print
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- It is almost universally accepted that tires are the best performance upgrade for a car aside from driver experience. However, as top tier performance tires get more extreme many of the issues outweigh some of the benefits for typical street cars and drivers. Often vehicle owners don't really need the best or most expensive tires on the market to enjoy their vehicle.
Index:
00:00 - 00:20 Intro
00:20 - 1:28 Understanding Basics of Heat Ranges in Tires
1:28 - 2:22 So Many Tires Make Things Complicated
2:22 - 3:20 Tires are Important, But Don't Over Buy
3:20 - 5:00 Extreme Summer Tires are Overkill for Most Street Cars
5:00 - 5:52 The Realities of Street Driving Extreme Tires
5:52 - 6:21 The Benefits of Extreme Tires
6:21 - The Mechanical Issues with Extreme Tires
The Fine Print is a series of videos about the pros and cons of technology, cars and specific parts and practices. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I put track tires on my tractor
That oughta shave 2.3 secs off your mow time.
+TheStraightPipes you should take that thing the grid life bro.
Or just go full swedish turbo tractor!!!! www.wimp.com/swedish-farmer-puts-a-turbo-engine-into-his-tractor/
savagegeese the only grid life I know is mowed 90 degrees at a time
Well duh it's a track-tor
"Tires are the only thing keeping your car on the ground"
Brb removing my tires so I can have a sick hover car.
Unfortunately, then your rotors become your tires and they don't work as well. I like your enthusiasm tho
Haha!
You can make a hovercar by mounting a catback system.
One cat in each wheel arch, feet up. ... The cheapassed version of this is buttered toasts with the buttered side up. But it's less dynamically reactive and doesn't handle as much weight.
Also, if you mount the toasts on the catbacks and plug them on the axles, you get more acceleration. That assembly will spin by itself and provide additional propulsion.
after driving through the strip club my tires become super sticky ,,,,,,,
Eeewwwwwwwwwwww 😖
Control yourself lol
yuck
Did the manager of the joint forget too close the doors? LOL
Slow down there turbo...
Savagegeese vs. Engineering Explained to see who's better behind the wheel of an S2000!
ccmaster86 lol wouldn't even be close
Ironically EE videos are more basic. I think Savage knows more about cars. When it comes to modding at least.
JayTac1 more basic? There is typically a lot more math and theory in EEs videos (because engineer. Duh.). Savagegeese is more of a technician. Not an engineer. If anything, he talks about basic shit that everyone but the ill informed knows, not the other way around.
Andrew Davison It's the other way around for me. He puts a lot of math into stuff people already know. When it comes to his videos on mods I've never taken away anything I didn't already know. There are more complex engineering channels out there like Kyle Drives. Complexity however does not sale. You have to dumb down for max views.
considering engineering explained managed to crash into a stationary wall/shelf, I believe the answer is right in front of us...
5:27 *Just when I thought I knew everything about tires, I learn something new that have never thought about before. And seriously, literally no one besides SG has talked about this downside to running sticky tires. Wow. Mindblown.*
Agreed! Very informative video!
+1
SG isn’t selling tires. 😄
Totally agree. Very useful info here
Great video. Sheer maximum grip is not always best for a daily driver. For me personally, a UHP summer tire with +/-300 tread rating is the best balanced option for a modestly powered RWD sports car. It's just enough grip to have fun and not die when it rains.
It is very important what kind of rubber you bring to a strip club...
Did he mean strip mall and had a Freudian slip?
Sticky ones are not good at all
Nice
Double bag it.
This series is fantastic! Very eye opening to the world of "Performance" Modifications.
Fantastic and accurate. One thing you may want to add: breakaway characteristics of R compounds. On the limit of grip these tyres "breakaway" from adhesion much more suddenly and also regain grip much more aggressively than a more moderate tire. I've done years of trackdays on a modified RWD street car (suspension mostly but really top notch prepared by pros) and always ran fairly normal summer tyres. The result was a well behaved car all year long that was good enough on track for a newbie. Keep up the good work!
You should call this series "Track Day, Bro"
hahah
What are the best tires to drive to a strip club and back? I am asking for a friend.
ZippyTPinhead 30 inch rims tires don't matter in this situation
the spare around your waist ,,,,,,, :D
Tires and tits are expensive and suffer from rough use
ZippyTPinhead cumhoes, i mean kumhos
Runflats that way you don't have to change a tire while drunk..10-4
Great perspective that is seldom ever mentioned in regards to high performance tires!
Wish you would've also covered the other types of tires as well and their pros/cons.
For the AP1 S2000, Honda put on Bridgestone Potenza S02 tires. Which tells me a little bit that Honda expected the S2000 to be driven fairly hard on occasion. Treadwear was 140 and it was a really good, sticky tire, you could really pull some G's in the turns. Not so good in the cold, not so good in the rain, but in warm dry weather, they gripped really well. I went through 4 sets of S02's in the first few years of owning my '02 S2000. Mountain drives, some track days, and an occasional AutoX. I've had my Spa Yellow for 16 years now and tire technology has changed immensely, I tend to like Bridgestone tires but have tried Hankook, Dunlop, and Khumo tires over the years. The S2000 was my daily driver for 16 years and I didn't mind running a high performance summer tire all the time. I live in the Southeastern US and didn't want to compromise the handling, braking, and wonderful amounts of grip you get with a tire that has a softer compound. We don't see much in the way of cold temp, or frozen precipitation. However, lately I don't drive the S2000 all the time, because of that, I have taken the tires down a notch and have been happy with the Bridgestone Potenza S04 Pole Position tires. They strike a good balance between dry/wet traction, temperature, sidewall stiffness and road noise. They did really well on The Dragon a few weeks ago when we had an S2000 event with nearly 100 cars. SavageGeese, you should attend one of the future S2000 Dragon events sometime.
S2kDude36 😂.... tread wear is your trigger points for s2k wear and tare design? What about the replaceable subframe segments? Imo this is the most clear notion that Honda expected s2ks to be driven hard. At that time only exotics and race cars used that kind of frame; because when a catastrophic coalition happens the first thing they check is subframe integrity. If a subframe is discovered to be damaged. The cost to get the car back in race trim is a fraction of what full body frame replacement would cost. Fyi most s2k na race built frames use 30%-60% of the factory components. The after market has a very hard time out engineering jdm/oem parts. So yes the s2k is built like a Swiss watch. 🥂 cheers.
S02, S001 or RE050A are not really 140 treadwear. By modern standards they would be about 240 to 300 treadwear. The modern day S007A is rated at 240 treadwear by Bridgestone, but in reality it's the same 300 treadwear as a Eagle F1 Super Sport or Pilot Sport 4S. [The US-market S04 is indeed a step harder than the S007A though as you say.] :) [Tirerack classing S007A as an extreme tyre is wrong.]
Really enjoying this series. Keep it up. 👍
Just bought my first set of real summer tires, new Pilot Sport 4s's in OEM size on my 2012 GTI. Have to say it made the car feel like a whole new car compared to the all seasons it was on! Turns like its glued to the ground, feedback through wheel is great, and I can finally put down "Stage 2" power!
It’s a great tire. My B8 A4 felt like a new car when I first threw them on. Hard to switch back to all seasons.
@@CAT15407 My set of tires described in the comment above where due for replacement this spring. 315 WHP and FWD makes 2-3 years of life from a set of summer tires pretty good in my opinion. There was only one option when it came to replacing my 225 wide PS4S's, and that was the same tire but 10mm wider in a 235 as I wanted to kill the "stretch" look. I am happy as ever. I couldn't imagine going back to all seasons at this point, though I totally get it that for a lot of peoples climates and use cases it may be hard to justify summers. It would be hard to admit that and give these great tires up if I am ever in that situation!
The 4S are not the type of tire he's referring to, even though they are amazing and one of the best high performance summer tires you can buy. He is referring to a tire like the sport cup 2.
@youknowitsmetheone You are right. My comment still stands that those were my first real summer tires and transformed the car. But he is talking a little more performance oriented, perhaps. I have Falken Rt660 200TW on my 91 Miata. Those have a little more tradeoff but stupid levels warm grip!
@Harrison Davis I just ordered some 4S' for my GT350, I have been using Cup 2s for 2 years because thats what came on the car, and they truly only belong on a track. They are miserable to daily drive. Really looking forward to the 4S'
Excellent work as always! Heat range and rock chips are something most people never think about.
But do those rock chips come with salsa.
One more point: you might find out that your brakes, which were just fine with "normal" rubber have suddenly became useless and might even try to burn down your car after switching to semi-slicks. I'm talking about aggressive/competition driving here.
If you don't have a brembo's or have performance car in general, why on earth would you put semis on that car
@@DIgitusSmartas touge
@@DIgitusSmartasi have ventus RS4s on a bone stock civic I auto cross lol
I like to drive.. spirited.. more than ultimate grip I prefer tires to be communicative at limits. I'm not aiming for lap times though.
" I prefer tires to be communicative at limits" - wise, very wise.
Never had a bad surprise from my 2 sets of Tiger Paw Touring T rated shoes. They start sliding ever so gradually and give you plenty of warning to back off. Not the stickiest, but always predictable and stable!
I don't know why but I really enjoy watching these informative videos.
It's just nice somehow to listen to someone explaining things like they are without any added fluff.
Even thou I'm a trained mechanic and I handle these things daily.
Keep it up, great work!
You've done an excellent job with your comprehensive, Honest, and straightforward review. Like a TED talk for tires. Thank you, and keep up the great work.
And that, is the Racing Line!
This is very tiresome
Some of the best car information on youtube, and the quality, oh man, love your channel!
I really like this series already. This is awesome man.
Give Jason his car back! Engineering Explained can't put out any videos if you're holding his car hostage.
Lol, it's not Jason's car. Jason got RE-71r's for his summer tires. This one gots Hankooks.
savage has a ap2 and jason has a ap1 same color tho. great video!
different wheels too lol
Jason could be Brian Cox's cousin LOL
This is "tiring"
Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.
Great video. I watched half of your video then started looking for something else to watch. Then you started to get into some finer details and i was hooked! Great info and a great video! Good job, keep it up
Never really thought about that last point. Makes a ton of sense. Great Video.
I freaking love Savagegeese... only you would have a Lambo pop up in the corner with dolphins on it...
Hmmm... I might do that, too. 😄
Not to mention, r-compounds can create a lot of oiling issues which can and has led to engine failures. Add a baffled sump to the list!
Another interesting side effect is that for performance/competition driving your brakes can suddenly turn out to be overheating pieces of flaming shit with the big increase in tire grip.
This is possible the most comprehensive explanation I have found on You Tube about tires. Thank you.
This series is amazing. Keep it up man.
This was very helpfull, i was thinking about putting Trofeo R's tires on my Ford Fiesta 1.4TDCI..
Thank you for pointing out the bs that is hyped by the tire companies. Even tirerack can barely explain the difference between a $300 Michelin and a $125 Kumho. Their ratings usually deviate by fractional scores and "subjective" measures. Trained drivers on a 2 minute course might be able to squeak out a second or two with a tire swap from the worst to the best. For the average driving enthusiast it's a complete waste
+Strunz0 Cars call tirerack is an impossible situation they sell every Tire they can't be biased they can't really be straight if something sucks. When you start seeing Tire tests that are literally a quarter second or a half-second off each other it means nothing to the average person namely in a street Tire
I don't know about that - I recently went from what I thought was a pretty good tyre, a Bridgestone RE003, to a Michelin Pilot Sport 4. The Pilot Sport 4 is vastly superior in the wet - to the point where it brakes almost as well on a soaking wet road than the Bridgestone did on the dry. Given the significant difference in wet stopping difference between the two, I'll be sticking with the Michelin next time too. I think there is definitely a big difference between an average tyre and a high quality one. I think there are possibly diminishing returns as you spend more and more though - you have to find the price point. Also I think the kind of car you drive makes a huge difference - I have a large, heavy powerful vehicle - a smaller, lighter vehicle might get less returns from more expensive tyres.
Also remember there is more then just lap times tire rack often talks about weather the tire was easy to drive or difficult so for instance the Bridgestone re71r is a great tire for a really skilled driver but for most weekend Warriors that want to go the track the falken rt615k might be better since it is easier to extract more of the tire. Also like mentioned in the video the way a tire operates in a given heat range is also makes big difference even in just one sub category of tires like extreme performance tires or grand touring all seasons tires. Additionally how a tire reacts to wet dry colder cooler hotter and snowy conditions also makes a big difference
Christian Roche yes - I think the point is that the differences between the best and worst within a category (like max performance summer) is quite small. This is a highly regulated space and tires all have to conform to standard measures to qualify for each category so the differences are subtle and in some ways come down to taste more than good and bad
I'm an average enthusiast. I shaved almost 6 seconds going to RS-3's from a conti extreme contact.
I worked and sold tires for 5 years. Your video was better than some of the training video!
Great video. I learned a lot. Been tracking my s2000 for years and never thought about a bunch of your points. Keep them coming!
How do you like the 6ULs? How do you like the RS4? I just bought a set for my ND
Dropped the glasses, smiling more at the camera, is that blush you are wearing? Oh no! Focus groups got em!
Still love your videos, and of course the obligatory hurry back turbowski!
PPS, had a set of potenza so-3s on a 3 series and for the 15k miles they lasted holy cow, they were incredible!
Extremely informative series, learning so much from every video. Love it!
Just when I thought your brake line video was fantastic, you gave this to us! Awesome series, keep it up!
Interesting video! I think you might've overemphasized the track aspect, and underemphasized the "spirited driving on the street" aspect, though. I'm not into motorsports, so I wasn't interested in the kind of ultra-sticky tyres that you're talking about here in the first place, but I do enjoy enthusiastic driving on windy backroads, so I'm not willing to throw up my hands and just buy the cheapest on the rack, either.
You did explain why ultra-sticky race tyres aren't ideal for the street, but beyond that you didn't do much to differentiate between bargain bin econobox tyres and decent mid-range ones. I understand much has been said on that topic already, but I'd appreciate your less hype-driven taken on it. I don't believe "dirt cheap tyres are fine" is the message you were trying to get across, but it's one some viewers might take away from this video.
With all due respect, he never mentioned tyres in this video. A lot of talk about tires tho :-P
@@BobC59 It was very unrespectful ... 8^7
I've found that winter tires make really good summer sticky tires, but summer performance tires do horrible in winter. Yes i lose alot of tire life but $95 winter tires come with much greater tread depth than a $300 "performance" tire.
@@peterwelsh6975 Probably depends on what you mean by winter tires - a lot of variations there. I live in a place (mid-eastern US) where it can range from 0-100 degrees fahrenheit, winter to summer. I use good quality (michelin, bridgestone, BFG, etc.) "all season" tires and they are indeed great for all my driving. I live amidst what I call "the world's longest road course" - wonderful, nicely paved and usually well-maintained backroads that follow the Blue Ridge Mountains foothills. I have had several "fun cars", all of which I drive spiritedly on these roads. I 'inherited' summer tires on my '92 GT-R which I switch out to the all-seasons once it gets cold. I honestly cannot say with certainty that the summer tires are stickier - and I do push corners sometimes to the point of traction loss - so I'm skeptical.
Also put some excellent summer tires on a 370Z (Nismo) to replace its original all-seasons. Felt different but again, can't say there was an obvious difference. But that car was scary to push - - It seemed to either stick or let go completely; In fact, I did full a track weekend at VIR (about six 30-minute runs per day for two days!) and once, with all nanny controls off - spun out, thankfully into a grass field. Tires may have been a little overinflated and it was hot day, but all in all, for most people's driving (including spirited runs on the backroads), I'd say anecdotally that decent quality all-season tires are absolutely fine - even for enthusiasts like me.
Slow your roll Goose! Once a week to keep the savages coming back for more fine prints.
msbtennis You rang?
Oh man I love your video! You explained it so great, especially the part with the rocks flying around and also the additional force and stress which is put on several parts of the car. This is really a point not mentioned by most of the people.
I wanted to put some Yokohama AD08R on my car but since it is more of a week-end car rather than a high-performance track car I would not even profit a little bit from that stickiness.
Thanks for the info, I am gonna stick with normal summer tires but still some good ones.
Great video, answered all my tire questions I was googling for in one video.
@ 2:20 do i see a g80 sport review coming soon?
The best tires I have found that gives me all year round traction is the Michelin pilot sport a/s
If you're Michelin rich.
Dude, just.. an amazing explanation. Straight forward, I like that. Subscribed.
This channel is amazing.
It's direct and the information is great. I hope it remains this way.
The new engineering explained
But better and more interesting and delivered in a silky smooth voice.
Yep, pre wannabe car reviewer.
I prefer the math. I love Jason's approach, it sits better with how I learn personally.
engineering explained kinda sucks tbh. Lot of "on paper" truths but in reality... not so much. Like the "warm up" one. Sure cars are fuel injected nowadays, but what if its 10 degrees and your oil is the viscosity of hair gel? Start that engine, slam it into "D" before the revs drop and youre off!
Lol
The BETTER engineering explained.
Bro, you mean Starbucks, then Strip club ;)
I was just telling my friend about tires and some comments you've side, now I have the perfect video to send him, thanks 👍🏽
Thank you! This is by far my favorite and the most helpful video I've watched on the SavageGeese channel. I don't comment on YT videos but I had to this time.
I've an frs since February and I've been watching the winter tires it came with lose pounds of air pressure daily. Yes, I knew I shudda replaced them but now I'm sure of how stupid it was not to put (at least) all season treads on it last spring.
Great video. I love the new fine print series, keep up the great work.
(Edit: switched profiles. same opinion, same person)
My RE71R grips fine without heating up. I can get freeway on ramps and roundabouts at very high speeds.
re71r are great in autocross because they don’t need a lot of heat, but they get greasy real fast on the track. A052 similar. So I don’t quite agree with some of this although the sandblast effect and less than 5k expectations yes. Other 200tw and rSpec tires may need a lot more heat, which can be difficult on a light car like a 4C or s2000 and not as much of a problem on a Camaro or Mustang.
Great video. To make matters worse some new cars are coming with high performance summer only tires and the owners are realizing you're not supposed to be driving on them below 40F or even in the wet
Ecadman87
I once traded in a Saab 93 (turbo) with high performance summer tires mounted on them.
After the price was agreed, I then asked the dealer if he wanted my winter tires (mounted on aftermarket sports rims) for free, he said no.
Oh well. I wonder how far the next owner made it before he realized changing tires was a necessity.
Sorry, but anyone who doesn't realise summer tyres are for year-round use only in warm Mediterranean climates is an idiot. Summer tyres are perfectly fine for use year round for climates like southern California, southern Australia (indeed, here in Australia, the idea of an all-season tyre let alone a winter tyre would make people puzzled!)... and yes, summer UHP they are perfectly fine for tropical climates and wet conditions in places like Florida too. Indeed, summer UHP tyres tend to be quite good in *warm* and wet conditions. It's just that some of them (e.g., Pirelli P Zero summer) are not that great in cold, wet conditions, i.e., under 7 deg C and wet, so places like England or Scotland. While at 1 deg C or less, summer tyres are not appropriate at all!
Excellent! Can't wait for next vid. Great new series
Loving this series!
@3:00 Yup! Just buy some Michelin Pilot Super Sport Summers or some 4s and stop watching.
Absolutely agree. I spent $40,000 on an SLK and won't stint on cheapies - they're the only contact between you and the road, so buy the best. And don't forget that which most reviewers ignore: I have to buy this car, and I have to make these tyres last. They're all much of a much-ness in the dry, it's the rain that sorts them out and you can't beat Michelin.
My FRS handles like a Ferrari with 245/40/17 Yokohama Advan AD08 R tires and Complete suspension mods all around and up and down. Their fantastic. Light weight high strength racing wheels too. The supercharged car will go 160 or more did 140 on highway at 5000 rpm even thanks for this info sir much appreciated. Very true under certain circumstances.
Absolutely AWESOME breakdown. I like the honest assessment weighing the pros and cons of those performance tyres.
Another great video, looking forward to the next one!
The temperature talk at the beginning, is that in reference to surface or ambient temperatures?
Mostly ambient, but surface temps play a huge roll as well.
The temperature he is referring to is neither the road surface temperature nor the ambient temperature, it’s the temperature of the tire compound itself when the tire is in use. If you use the tire at high speed and then brake hard or change direction quickly, the rubber heats up. Since track use involves a lot of braking and directional changes, the tires can have a temperature much higher than either ambient of road surface temperature.
Jaime Munoz The recommendations for tire application is ambient temperature not operating temperature, because the average person doesn't have the ability to check their tire temps during operation.
What's farenheight?
Alan Ramsay - I don't know, but it gets a big fat "F"!
I swapped out my set of summer tires for all-seasons. I found that the new tires have better grip in ALL weather conditions, all the while being $100 cheaper (per tire), and saving on gas.
If you live in Flordia, South Africa, Australia etc, we don't need all-season tyres thankfully -- summer tyres are fine year round. :)
I "could" safely run summer tires where I live, but I don't want to adjust my driving style to the varying weather conditions. Plus, the tires that came with my car (Dunlop Sport Maxx RT) were absolute trash.
Awesome video series! Another great video. Keep em coming.
Thank you for this...seriously! I've been on the fence and going back and forth for the past month or so, figuring out if I truly needed ultra high-performance summer tires on my DD (IS300 SportX) and your breakdown has helped me reach a conclusion. Looks like I'll be sticking with my Pirelli all-season tires for the foreseeable future.
Very nice video, recently discovered you channel and have been plowing through it.
We seem to have similar opinions, so I have a question for you. If you were a college student that just graduated, and really loved automotive engineering/driving etc. Would you say its worth shelling out ~$20k for fun daily driver such as the Ford Fiesta ST? Really curious as to how you see it. Thanks!
+MrJohnHughesHimself I like the Fiesta ST for the price and performance but it's a car that requires some work namely if you're going to track it it doesn't handle heat very well brakes are pretty weak but if it's just something you want to have fun with and kind of learn about then you should be okay with it if it was me I'd probably get a little bit older car used more mileage it was in good shape so I'd have some extra money to play with if I wanted to start changing things around
find the least expensive rwd sporty car you can. Whether it be an br/frs/86, a 200sx, or a 85 Mr2 unless you live in snow country there is no reason to go front wheel drive.
Ivan G - If you're "plowing through it" you obviously have a serious understeer problem ... Just sayin'.
Would you consider to provide celsius and the metric system too when you display any info for your segments? :) I bet you have a handful of international viewers.
+Glatroz that was my fault I mean the graphic and I thought to myself I got to add Celsius to it and I just forgot
Don't worry about it man. Love your channel! Keep up the awesome work! You genuinely provide the best car reviews on TH-cam.
Another ISO measurements advocate here, please show just a little love to the international viewers :-) thanks.
Informative, concise and it all makes sense. Thank you!
Great video! Good job explaining the how these tires work.
Anyone else running Continental ExtremeContact DWs?
Blck Mach1 I'm running the newer ExtremeContact Sport and it's been a very good tire to me in autocross. If you got the DW-S rather than DW keep in mind the S is "snow" and it's not going to be as grippy in good conditions as it's standard counterpart.
Edit: also the first few hundred miles is within the standard break-in period for tires so it's unfair to judge them that early
no
DW is probably the most comfortable performance tire...but holy crap the sidewalls are soft
I am. They hold great traction launching even in rain. Not the best for spirited mountain runs, but there are others out there like Indy 500’s
You could have added oil starvation to the list of potential problems that can arise from using performance tires.
Aaron Eberle what
What
Alex Gunner increased g-force turning. the oil in your sump gets all splashed on one side, your oil pump cannot pick it up. engine starve for oil. can cause damage. you need to upgrade to a dry sump system or add baffles to your oil pan
Doc. Volt the real world is not a race track though.....
Los Ojos De HotSpanish not with that attitude ;)
wow!
Excellent video.
Thanks for the pros and cons.
I had not think that a sticky tire would throw more sand and stones on the body of my car.
I love your honest reviews, it really appreciated .
I believe that buying a name brand over something like westlake or is worth it. I do agree putting sport cup 2's on your 99 civic is an absolute joke, but after some absolute shite tires i've bought for other cars, the extra money is worth it to me.
My Scion tC had some Kumho whatevers on it and we're dry rotted so I bought BFG g-force comp2-as rubber (higher end all-seasons) for it and it was night and day. Everything was better, including stopping distance. For ~$20-40 more a tire over the Kumho's, it was worth it.
+Mythiic I never meant buying garbage bin tires but you highlighted the point spending 30 extra a tire an make a big difference but spending an extra 140 a tire is usually a waste.
savagegeese I know. I just wanted to add my $.02 cents. I'll always spend a few more on a decent brand with good tread wear and temp ratings. For safety and handling purposes
all seasons being better? oh god
VxO4fame dryrotted kumho's are pretty terrible
Westlake/Goodride is actually the largest independent tyre manufactuer in China, interestingly enough. (By independent, I mean not associated with or in a joint venture with a foreign brand.)
Give me turbowski or give me death
AK rude
you mean the mono syllabic dude?
One of the best explanations I seen so far 👍🏻
Great video +Savagegeese. Thank you for once again bringing the realness
What if your street car is FWD and the turbo boost causes any normal tire to go up in smoke every time you accelerate hard in the first three gears? Wouldn't super sticky tires be the best choice to use that power on the street?
Sure, but only if you get the tires up to the optimum temperature, which you likely won't do just driving around the streets. A limited slip differential would be more beneficial in most real world scenarios.
Limited slip differential should be more effective.
i solved that problem on my OPC with a LSD and Pirelli Pzero tires
same problem I'm having
Smaller turbo :P
Said it once, and I'll say it again: convert your units to metric also. Your viewers are not only american. Small detail, that makes a big dif.
I would bet a larger portion of his audience is American versus non-Americans, so he's appealing to the majority of his viewership. He would know; he has the analytics.
Tiago Ruivo just learn the conversions, it's not that hard and it's useful in normal life to be able to do this.
None in his normal life use imperial system outside the USA...
I've seen this ''error'' multiple times, ''don't put metric cus majority of views is from america''
Well is about being smart enough to see in the future market, a lot of people see this kind of videos for advice, and a lot are from Europe or almost all the world, so metric is a MUST. Otherwise, we just change to someone who put it in metric.
Is easy to convert? Yeah, it is but is annoying and you lose time and interest.
alelokox88 No, it’s not a “MUST”, it’s a choice, and he chooses not to do it. It’s his channel. Also, his subscription base has gone from 25k to almost 90k in a couple of years, so not only are people sticking around, new people are subscribing.
My comment was only to potentiate his chances. Besides, not even the americans seem to understand their system... pounds, stones, inches, feet... its a fkg mess.
Well done Mark. The autocross community has a lot of tire nerds (including me). I've also discovered that I no longer enjoy comp tires on the street. It came to me one day when I realized that enjoyed the street ride of both my cars much more on snow tires (E36 BMW and Miata). If your dual purpose car has a modified suspension, you can still have a decent street ride with a higher softer sidewall. We sometimes forget that the tire is part of the suspension because we focus on the contact patch.
My solution is Hoosiers for competition and a quiet tire with softer sidewalls and decent wear rating for the street. Like many of us, I have a history of street driving on comp tires. If we really want to experience grip at the limit of a given tire, we really need to be on a closed course.
Good stuff as always. Thumbs up before even finishing the video!
This ridiculous video is sponsored by: the Michelin man.
This guy is overstating the temperature aspect of his argument. Regardless of tire type ( all season, summer, snow) there are some that perform better than others. The all seasons that came with one car I owned were so poor that the abs engaged at all but the most gentle of braking. I put on a good set of summer tires ( Bridgestone) and the and never engaged after that. It didn't matter whether the Bridgestone were cold or hot. And also the Bridgestone had a decent wear rating of I believe it was 400. Very happy with those tires. If you want to believe another guy proclaiming we're all idiots and everything is the same, go ahead. This video is a waste of my time and intelligence.
Hey carlos, the tires that manufacturers supply are *almost* universally cheap crap - even a tiny increment in cost buys big performance gains. I think this video as about the *other* end of the spectrum, where spending gobs more buys you little useful street performance.
My car game with Goodyear Eagle F1 track tires...
Exactly. And everyone is saying buy re71 or ps4s, both of which are absurdly over expensive and have competitors that are 80-90% the performance or more for a ton less money.
I have Firestone indy 500 on a volvo c30 polestar. Saved me from rear ending someone braking to 25mph on the highway. Came within 2 inches of hitting them I have no doubt if I had my stock tires it would of been an accident. Tread wear sucks though im not going to get the 20k miles they advertised.
Great vid. It explains why I needed new bushings on my low mile BMW after several track days....
Very well done, very accurate information. Your one of the few that provides accurate information responsibly.
Your vid is super informative. Thanks for posting!
I love these useful reviews, great work.
Very informative video.Thanks from here in Australia.
in a few years i am proud to say I've been here since the earlier days. this channel is going to be the new bench mark for real world, no BS car reviews. manufacture will someday fight to get a car on his show. in days of compliance and real world car reviews he is re-writting the online based genre.
Hey, I've been in the business 20 years. Seen a lot of youtubes on tires. This was a well done video, and the conclusions were spot on.. I'm currently running Thunderer Mach 4 on my car. They do just as well, ride amazing on the street.
Excellent video, very informative.
Nice well thought out review...good to see open & honest review. About to start auto racing and super helpful video.
I had no idea there was more than one season... Thanks for the info. Great series - Keep it up!
Score - 8.6
Thank you so much for the information!
I really appreciate it!
Great view on the tires from other side. Thanks for such a great job :)
that was some really useful information, thank you.
Good point about additional load on the car. A couple of 86s went to track day in April with semi slicks and experienced extreme oil starvation on a particularly long sweeper ( before the final long straight). Both blow their engines. Admittedly one was also running high boost without an oil cooler.
I hadn't thought about the damage your doing to the car putting on sticky tires. Great video, you gotta new sub
Thanks for clarifying this topic.
Cheers Oliver
First time viewer here. I appreciate the detail you've provided. Great video
Good video! You explain it realy well. First time i actualy learned something on youtube!