I uploaded a bonus INPUT LAG and SOUND test over on my twitter. It performed pretty average but some of you might be interested in it anyway: twitter.com/BobWulff/status/1836847858634608771 And while you're here buy a shirt: wulffdenapparel.com
@@Edgar-ob9vq I actually have also a rtx 4060 z13 alongside, that I use more like a desktop than a tablet lmao, and my X1 used as a tablet... Yeah their advertised use case isn't what I saw in them
@@Edgar-ob9vq I actually have also a rtx 4060 z13 alongside, that I use more like a desktop than a tablet lmao, and my X1 used as a tablet... Yeah their advertised use case isn't what I saw in them
@@Edgar-ob9vq I actually have also a rtx 4060 z13 alongside, that I use more like a desktop than a tablet lmao, and my X1 used as a tablet... Yeah their advertised use case isn't what I saw in them
Tbh I think this is a great idea in concept, execution could be better. Def not for everyone ofc but many people already want to use their mobile controllers with their iPad and some have done so with iPad mini/ foldable phones already. It’s nice that it has a built in option to attach controllers
I use it for a handheld and replacement desktop with the 64GB RAM model. I play Wukong while sitting with the wife for about an hour every night over a Moonlight/Sunlight stream. Its pretty nice and most certainly at the max size you could call something a handheld.
I was looking for a handheld gaming PC. I already have a surface pro 9. This 3 in 1 will be replacing my SP9 and adding the gaming option as well. I am too busy to game on a console or have a dedicated PC, but this is a good option for someone like me. It's also cheaper than a surface pro tablet.
Not really, they might be losing "your subjective reasoning for wanting a handheld", but that's not mine. I use handhelds so I can freely move from my bed, to my living room and to my in-laws when we stay on the weekends. I don't want a keyboard or mouse as it requires sitting up, and I don't put handhelds in my pocket and play outside because.. I'm not a small child.
I see the point as a thinner laptop that you can actually put on your lap and uses way less wattage, but as a handheld it just seems like a mess. Jack of all trades but master of none.
I am the market. I needed a device that I could use to run my online business, create graphics, for gaming, and travel. This handles all of that without the bulk of a laptop. And at any time, I can change the format from laptop to handheld to tablet, which saves space on the road.
@@JB-tp6uj I find it hard to believe this is any less bulky than a laptop though to be honest, especially once you’ve added a keyboard and mouse which you’d probably need if you were actually doing work on it as well as gaming.
I have a Dell Latitude 5290 2 in 1 (basically a Surface pro 6 but heavier and more repairable) and a Steam Deck LCD and I just replaced both with this one device. I really like my Dell and I really wanted to like my Steam Deck but the screen was far too small for me and there a were a couple of games that either couldn't run or ran too poorly to enjoy. This device is great for my use case as 60% of the time it is my tablet 20% of the time it's a laptop and it's a handheld for the other 20%. Unless someone builds a something similar with better controllers and a better GPU I will be keeping this for a long time.
FYI: EDID stands for Extended Display Identification Data, it contains data like manufacturer, model, refresh time and a lot more technical info, including display resolutions. So the EDID for the onboard display was probably missing the other resolutions that were added after you used the file.
"They sent this to me for free to review" - "there is no reason to buy this... Unless you like [thing], but if you want [thing] you'd be better off buying [something else]. Even with all that, I really liked [other thing]. But if you really want [other thing], you'd be better off buying [something else, with a different tone to sound like it's not the same alt as before]" 😂 respect. I mean they may not keep sending you free shit, but mad respect for honesty
I was more intrigued by the X1 mini - more 'manageable' size and the option to 'easily' swap out the SSD. I have visions of 'multi booting' into various OSs.
you could get an ally or steam deck or air 1s and also a lapdock for cheaper than this, which would do the same thing but still give you a nice handheld experience with the option of a laptop form factor - with the drawback of having the tether but hey, that would be more versatile especially for travel.
Personally, my Legion go is quite adequate for travel and mobile computing and gaming, just wish that it had a small keyboard that doubled as a screen protector.
I modded my Gamesire G8 Galileo to accommodate large tablets like ipad pro 12.9 and Samsung S8 Ultra 15.6, as well as a Minisforum V3. It technically works, but is prettty ridiculous and the joypad lies unused in a corner.
I don't even find the Legion Go heavy. The Switch feels light in comparison to me. Maybe get something like the Switch pad pros or another bigger joycon?
Me: Looks ridiculous, too heavy and unwieldy, must be cheap. Nop. Costs a thousand bucks. Who would buy it? Yeah its already sold out. What a time we live in.
The first video I watched with someone recommending another resolution was 1920x1080, which I don't think looks bad. There's not a lot of screen border when playing games at this res.
@@vgamedude9811older games tend to not play very well with native portrait, and it causes the display to get wonky. I've had cases on the legion go where the screen gets super zoomed in
What are your recommendations for a gaming PC tablet? I like the idea of this form factor, but based on your review, there must be a more optimal approach to something like this without 'joycon' rails.
I really do like that this is basically just a gaming tablet that has handheld functionality...technically. I still think that the Steam Deck is by far the better value, and just a better, like, handheld system.
If you have already gaming PC, I recommend you just buy budget tablet with good enough processing power for streaming and just set up a local stream through Sunshine/Moonlight, if you don’t travel so much… this option with 1.3k tablet is just ridiculous
i have the onexplayer2, both of these tablets have the annoying onexplayer silver logo on the bottom of unit. also the software to control the unit never loads right under windows making the buttons not work right. hardware wise its nice and the formfactor perfect, but going for a tier one supplier like ally rog or buy the next steam.
This is making me realize. IF the Switch 2 is powerful enough and IF the newer Joycons are like, super portable and comfortable... an XL version, built primarily to be played on a table, could be a rad idea. I really don't like this because while the controllers look ergonomic, they don't look like they'd fit in the same pocket as the tablet itself.
For a handheld yes as most lie within the 7in to 9in range for PC handhelds. For a tablet or laptop no. Big tablets are 14-16in in size. Big laptops are 17-18in
It's neat for sure, but all the reasons you outlined are why I wouldn't get one. My gaming laptop was cheaper, larger, and better for less. I'd probably go for the ROG Ally/X. Better value for what you're getting. Too bad their smaller model isn't a bit cheaper.
its my absolute fav device ... iam smartphone tired...such windows tablet would be great for my daily use and playing my older games.. but....its sooooo expensiv..iam homeless and must save money over years till i can buy it...
The extra ram won't matter if the gpu can only run the games at low (which requires less ram). The ram required won't exceed the threshold of what an ally x has for current low settings.
It does matter. You can set textures to high or ultra and everything else to low. Higher textures will make the game actually look decent even when everything else is set to low.
@@sophisticated performance is not affected. I do this on my X1 now and I get the same FPS as I do with low textures. It only affects performance when you don’t have enough VRAM
I literally use a 13-inch “gaming tablet” as my main gaming device. 12-core i9, 3050 Ti, 16gb ddr5, 120hz display. It costs about $1200 new as well, and it seems to be a better deal. It’s the ASUS ROG Flow Z13 with the i9.
why cant we get a perfect device? i have a Z13 as well. i7. and just wish it had more than 16GB of RAM. the dedicated graphics card makes up for it. and i wish they had options for more storage. these can be had with up to 4TB. although 2 would be good for me.
It's cool but this is my issue with handhelds getting bigger. I love my iPad but I don't want that to be a handheld as it's too big. This is way too big for a handheld, it's a tablet with controllers attached to the side. At this point you're better off with a laptop, a gaming laptop. Get the Legion Go if you want a big handheld
Portrait display with sideways overlays, a driver pack that doesn't install correctly...yup that seems like trademark One-Netbook half-baked development. And don't think they'll ever fix anything either, nobody in their company knows the word "support" I'm shocked anyone still buys their junk.
You kinda need that for a display like this, low specs like this, and using a controller. You'll get crazy screen tearing that will make the experience a nightmare. Normally you can switch on VRR to help with that, but this does not support VRR. So Vsync it is.
![Powerful PC Handheld with the Nintendo Switch treatment [Lenovo Legion Go]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_rPvnNvoiWI/mqdefault.jpg)
I uploaded a bonus INPUT LAG and SOUND test over on my twitter. It performed pretty average but some of you might be interested in it anyway: twitter.com/BobWulff/status/1836847858634608771
And while you're here buy a shirt: wulffdenapparel.com
was this the video that got taken down because they disagreed with you? You mentioned that in your latest video
8:28 This is peak gaming form
It really is
"...a screen right up against my face. It's cool."
max immersion
This is my favorite Legion Go mode!
"ONE X PLAYER X1"
Did Xbox name this thing? 😂
Or Elon Musk 💀😂
Could've been AMD
Honestly lost track of the newest ones after Xbox one x elite.
yes it's Matt Booty 😂
They were probably thinking "So Extreme!🤪"
Nice for people who struggle to read small text in games that where not designed for handhelds
That's just a laptop/tablet with an option to attach controllers to it.
I refuse to call it a handheld.
Yep that's how I use mine. I almost never used it handheld but I almost never play games with it too, it's a powerful small tablet
@@Natsukashii1111z13 is more powerful and cheaper than this.
@@Edgar-ob9vq I actually have also a rtx 4060 z13 alongside, that I use more like a desktop than a tablet lmao, and my X1 used as a tablet... Yeah their advertised use case isn't what I saw in them
@@Edgar-ob9vq I actually have also a rtx 4060 z13 alongside, that I use more like a desktop than a tablet lmao, and my X1 used as a tablet... Yeah their advertised use case isn't what I saw in them
@@Edgar-ob9vq I actually have also a rtx 4060 z13 alongside, that I use more like a desktop than a tablet lmao, and my X1 used as a tablet... Yeah their advertised use case isn't what I saw in them
Tbh I think this is a great idea in concept, execution could be better. Def not for everyone ofc but many people already want to use their mobile controllers with their iPad and some have done so with iPad mini/ foldable phones already. It’s nice that it has a built in option to attach controllers
i actually really like this from what im seeing. could see a usecase for this for sure.
God with those controllers attached it seems ergonomic like a rock
That's look like something batman would used
@@horticultural261 Tim Burton's Batman just to be clear. 😂
This is another one of the devices I'd categorize as "nice if you're a youtuber and got it for free, terrible deal if you're paying for the thing".
I use it for a handheld and replacement desktop with the 64GB RAM model. I play Wukong while sitting with the wife for about an hour every night over a Moonlight/Sunlight stream. Its pretty nice and most certainly at the max size you could call something a handheld.
I was looking for a handheld gaming PC. I already have a surface pro 9. This 3 in 1 will be replacing my SP9 and adding the gaming option as well. I am too busy to game on a console or have a dedicated PC, but this is a good option for someone like me. It's also cheaper than a surface pro tablet.
thank you for keeping us informed, Tech Jesus!
Wrong tech Jesus, that’s another channel
@@Mecharuva handheld jesus then
@@telephoto yeah definitely
Bob is more like Tech Judas. 😂 only in name, I'm sure him and Steve would get along just fine.
This thing screams "design by committee". Lots of people pulling it in different directions and the end result is an awkward mix of all of them.
I love the design but I don't like the controller. More steam deck like controllers and I'd have bought it yesterday
IMO it screams "designed by someone with poor eyesight". This is the handheld I would have designed.
Some of these companies are losing focus on the whole point of a handheld
Not really, they might be losing "your subjective reasoning for wanting a handheld", but that's not mine. I use handhelds so I can freely move from my bed, to my living room and to my in-laws when we stay on the weekends. I don't want a keyboard or mouse as it requires sitting up, and I don't put handhelds in my pocket and play outside because.. I'm not a small child.
I see the point as a thinner laptop that you can actually put on your lap and uses way less wattage, but as a handheld it just seems like a mess. Jack of all trades but master of none.
lol at your shoutout to the Surface Pro 2! That's what I'm watching this on
I’m literally watching this on an iPad and I still don’t understand the market for it
I travel a lot for work. This would be excellent for a gaming/productivity hybrid.
I am the market. I needed a device that I could use to run my online business, create graphics, for gaming, and travel. This handles all of that without the bulk of a laptop. And at any time, I can change the format from laptop to handheld to tablet, which saves space on the road.
@@JB-tp6ujjust get a flow x13...
Give it the appropriate inputs/outputs and this thing would be amazing for networking professionals ...
@@JB-tp6uj I find it hard to believe this is any less bulky than a laptop though to be honest, especially once you’ve added a keyboard and mouse which you’d probably need if you were actually doing work on it as well as gaming.
Looks like the target customer is the person who wants to buy a Surface tablet and a gaming handheld.
I have a Dell Latitude 5290 2 in 1 (basically a Surface pro 6 but heavier and more repairable) and a Steam Deck LCD and I just replaced both with this one device. I really like my Dell and I really wanted to like my Steam Deck but the screen was far too small for me and there a were a couple of games that either couldn't run or ran too poorly to enjoy. This device is great for my use case as 60% of the time it is my tablet 20% of the time it's a laptop and it's a handheld for the other 20%. Unless someone builds a something similar with better controllers and a better GPU I will be keeping this for a long time.
I will wait for this product but when it's on an arm processor (and hopefully a little smaller screen)
FYI: EDID stands for Extended Display Identification Data, it contains data like manufacturer, model, refresh time and a lot more technical info, including display resolutions. So the EDID for the onboard display was probably missing the other resolutions that were added after you used the file.
"They sent this to me for free to review" - "there is no reason to buy this... Unless you like [thing], but if you want [thing] you'd be better off buying [something else]. Even with all that, I really liked [other thing]. But if you really want [other thing], you'd be better off buying [something else, with a different tone to sound like it's not the same alt as before]" 😂 respect. I mean they may not keep sending you free shit, but mad respect for honesty
I was more intrigued by the X1 mini - more 'manageable' size and the option to 'easily' swap out the SSD. I have visions of 'multi booting' into various OSs.
8:00 Watching that rail test made me nervous
Tell me you don't like something without telling me you don't like something...😂😂😂
0:03: Cannon Spike (music)! Heck yeah!
you could get an ally or steam deck or air 1s and also a lapdock for cheaper than this, which would do the same thing but still give you a nice handheld experience with the option of a laptop form factor - with the drawback of having the tether but hey, that would be more versatile especially for travel.
You put the rubber pieces into the slots of the middle piece of where the controller could be used as a standalone and it can hold it.
It's just levels of jank stacked on top of each other.
For 1300 you can get a great tablet or 2-in-1 and an actual controller.
You should check out the Minisform V3 tablet - you will love it and hate it
Personally, my Legion go is quite adequate for travel and mobile computing and gaming, just wish that it had a small keyboard that doubled as a screen protector.
I modded my Gamesire G8 Galileo to accommodate large tablets like ipad pro 12.9 and Samsung S8 Ultra 15.6, as well as a Minisforum V3. It technically works, but is prettty ridiculous and the joypad lies unused in a corner.
Reminds me of the gaming pc i lusted after as a sophmore in college. The alienware m11x.
Good on you not doing the falling on face bit. That could’ve probably caused a concussion
A OLED Switch already hurts my wrists, this is just bonkers.
Painful to use without resting your elbows I can assume.
It has to do with the joycons
Change them with a full grip third party ones (like a controller grip) you will thank me later
@@MrFaleh1129 I've gotten rid of my Switch looong ago, now I just emulate on a GPD Win 3.
I don't even find the Legion Go heavy. The Switch feels light in comparison to me. Maybe get something like the Switch pad pros or another bigger joycon?
@@crestofhonor2349 Haven't had a Switch in a looong time, switched to a GPD Win 3.
One make really nice device. I love my OneXfly
Me: Looks ridiculous, too heavy and unwieldy, must be cheap. Nop. Costs a thousand bucks. Who would buy it? Yeah its already sold out. What a time we live in.
Well there's a lot of stuff happening in the PC handheld space. I'm curious about the upcoming next gen chips for these things.
The first video I watched with someone recommending another resolution was 1920x1080, which I don't think looks bad. There's not a lot of screen border when playing games at this res.
Portrait native is a deal breaker. It’s the very reason the legion go has all the issues it has.
What issues does that present with the legion go?
@@vgamedude9811older games tend to not play very well with native portrait, and it causes the display to get wonky. I've had cases on the legion go where the screen gets super zoomed in
Music loud af wulff lol
Nice to know another Star Wars Outlaws enjoyer! I love that game so much. So immersive and just so fun to just run around.
What are your recommendations for a gaming PC tablet? I like the idea of this form factor, but based on your review, there must be a more optimal approach to something like this without 'joycon' rails.
How do you get that steam deck like performance overlay on windows ? The one at the top of screen.
The price makes me laugh 🤣
you have to use FX Filters to make sound better
most computers will always sound terrible on Default
I really do like that this is basically just a gaming tablet that has handheld functionality...technically. I still think that the Steam Deck is by far the better value, and just a better, like, handheld system.
I think this would be a great video for "what if..." series
If you have already gaming PC, I recommend you just buy budget tablet with good enough processing power for streaming and just set up a local stream through Sunshine/Moonlight, if you don’t travel so much… this option with 1.3k tablet is just ridiculous
I think I'll wait for the ONE X PLAYER X1 SERIES X.
LOL
use lossless scaling on starwars outlaw, it works great
You should look at the asus rog flow z13
yup! thats the benchmark.
God of War Ragnarok playable on steam deck today!!! 🥳🎉🥳
the controller is probably the thing I like the most on this device, lol
i have the onexplayer2, both of these tablets have the annoying onexplayer silver logo on the bottom of unit. also the software to control the unit never loads right under windows making the buttons not work right. hardware wise its nice and the formfactor perfect, but going for a tier one supplier like ally rog or buy the next steam.
nice but still waiting for amd z2 extreme handled, and need vrr plz !
This is making me realize. IF the Switch 2 is powerful enough and IF the newer Joycons are like, super portable and comfortable... an XL version, built primarily to be played on a table, could be a rad idea.
I really don't like this because while the controllers look ergonomic, they don't look like they'd fit in the same pocket as the tablet itself.
Looks cool
@7:32 my first thought: “Do it Bob.”
11" is massive? Since when? The greatest massive that really is off-putting is the price.
For a handheld yes as most lie within the 7in to 9in range for PC handhelds. For a tablet or laptop no. Big tablets are 14-16in in size. Big laptops are 17-18in
It's neat for sure, but all the reasons you outlined are why I wouldn't get one. My gaming laptop was cheaper, larger, and better for less. I'd probably go for the ROG Ally/X. Better value for what you're getting. Too bad their smaller model isn't a bit cheaper.
Idk if this is an issue on AMD side but portrait displays + nvidia combo adds noticeable stutter on Linux. Nvidia is not willing to fix it.
Bro at that point just buy a laptop 😭
No
@@bluelotus2979Yes
No, no, they have a point
He did. This is the laptop.
Well if you want both a laptop and a tablet then this is the device for you I guess.
11in gaming handheld/tablet or 14 in gaming laptop and streaming games to your phone with a kishi adapter 🤔🤔
if you buy the 32gb option can you upgrade the ram along the line?
its my absolute fav device ... iam smartphone tired...such windows tablet would be great for my daily use and playing my older games.. but....its sooooo expensiv..iam homeless and must save money over years till i can buy it...
Have a great day everyone 😁
Of all the stuff I will never consider buying, Im not buying this the most.
I miss when bhab would review things I could somewhat afford😅
I’ve never been this early to a video my whole life.
Your voice... Your voice...
Damn It. 🤯
At that price, just get a used Flow Z13 with a 12900H and RTX 3050Ti for less ans better performace at the same form factor
I use a Galileo g8+ with my samsung s8 ultra and stream my ps5 and pc to is at 1440p 120hz
Battery life ?
The extra ram won't matter if the gpu can only run the games at low (which requires less ram). The ram required won't exceed the threshold of what an ally x has for current low settings.
It does matter. You can set textures to high or ultra and everything else to low. Higher textures will make the game actually look decent even when everything else is set to low.
@@marvyrvygarvy408 what about the performance when raising the textures to ultra.
@@sophisticated performance is not affected. I do this on my X1 now and I get the same FPS as I do with low textures. It only affects performance when you don’t have enough VRAM
@@marvyrvygarvy408 alright
I one up you with my Asus Flow z13 13.4 inch windows gaming tablet, with a modified gamesir x2
Sony is already taking notes for their PlayStation Portal 2.
I literally use a 13-inch “gaming tablet” as my main gaming device. 12-core i9, 3050 Ti, 16gb ddr5, 120hz display. It costs about $1200 new as well, and it seems to be a better deal.
It’s the ASUS ROG Flow Z13 with the i9.
why cant we get a perfect device? i have a Z13 as well. i7. and just wish it had more than 16GB of RAM. the dedicated graphics card makes up for it. and i wish they had options for more storage. these can be had with up to 4TB. although 2 would be good for me.
bro, do you really need so much light pointing at the camera?
I had a ROG z13 Flow and I was trying to hack a way to plug some joyconish gamepads on that thing so thank you ONEXPLAYER 😍
It's cool but this is my issue with handhelds getting bigger. I love my iPad but I don't want that to be a handheld as it's too big. This is way too big for a handheld, it's a tablet with controllers attached to the side. At this point you're better off with a laptop, a gaming laptop. Get the Legion Go if you want a big handheld
Yeah, the legion go's 8.8' screen looks great. No need to fix what isnt broken.
Work out baby. Time to lift weights!
It's like they tried to beat the GPD Win Max and failed.
Imagine listening to One-X by Three Days Grace on it though
Me using a 14 inch minisforum v3: 👀
I finally found my niche item
Arr we not going to mentom the weird keyboard layout for wasd
This is quite literally a tablet you can put controllers on. 9" screen is the absolute max, this is way too large to be a "handheld"
You can get (64GB ram 4TB) edition
Portrait display with sideways overlays, a driver pack that doesn't install correctly...yup that seems like trademark One-Netbook half-baked development. And don't think they'll ever fix anything either, nobody in their company knows the word "support"
I'm shocked anyone still buys their junk.
I'll stick with the legion go😅
If you need really need to get something like that just get a win max 2
You had me at “the speakers are atrocious”.
That price though...!
Bluetooth on windows sucks. I am not surprised they went the dongle route.
You guys gonna realize. If a company can copy this. Make it more powerful. Imagine.
This pc looks copy like Rog flow z 13, only difference is joycone
Bro used V-Sync to cap the FPS... In CoD... That almost made me cry...
You kinda need that for a display like this, low specs like this, and using a controller. You'll get crazy screen tearing that will make the experience a nightmare.
Normally you can switch on VRR to help with that, but this does not support VRR. So Vsync it is.
You know they made a mini version of this one, you literally have a choice no need to voice complaints or remarks about the device 😭
12:12 , bro, are you trolling? that looks like poop
PC Handhelds just became PCs
Skoot is in NY? xD
This is ridiculous
Why magnetic