Crazy he likes it the least out of the others, I own all 3 and like the go the most because of the screen size (maybe im just old) and the versatility of just carrying the screen as a tablet plus its the most powerful of the 3
I find I disagree with wulff den about almost everything. I remember him complaining about some android handheld being hard to set up, turned out he missed a completely obvious feature and that's why he was having a hard time.
I don't think it's crazy. They each have their pros and cons and it will come down to different priorities. My priorities, coolest (Steam Deck OLED vs Ally), handheld ergonomics (Ayn Odin 2 > Steam Deck OLED > LCD ), repairability (Steam Deck), software (SD) , Support (Steam Deck), VRR (Ally), landscape (Ally), battery life (??? Steam Deck OLED?), color gamut (Steam Deck OLED?), Storage (draw) . SD Card (Steam Deck wins, this is my Ally deal breaker), Audio (Steam Deck OLED > Ally, Steam Deck), community (Steam Deck) There things I like about GPD Win 4 or mini that none of these have, but they deal break cooling, ergo and risk. I don't think you'd call me crazy for this reasoning, just like I'm not calling you crazy for the Go doing it for you.
Im really curious what you believe to be the ultimate form factor. Lets assume this year AMD releases say 6 zen 5c cores + 6700xt performance in a 3-7W apu, and total system power is MAX 15W when docked, and the APU has good idle/ sleep low consumption. What would be the ideal form? Clamshell with controllers at the top? candybar? or slide or something else
The screen IS the main reason why I will buy it! My aging eyes cannot deal with just a 7 inch screen. I need to watch Netflix/Hulu/movies, Kindle book reading, Google play PC/Bluestacks, web surfing and anything I would do on a tablet. Gaming is only 50% of what I would use it for. I could care less about the fan sound because I’m 57 and don’t have the 20 something ears. The FPS mode looks amazing!! I can’t wait to buy it hopefully by January
RE: the mouse function, it IS shaped like a real mouse, or at least you hold it like you would hold an ergonomic upright mouse. I can understand wanting it to lie flat if those are the mice you're used to, but if you're struggling with hand strain, an upright mouse is a dream, and I'm glad that Lenovo chose to make this mouse ergonomic in that way.
The detachable controllers like in switch (particular if add grips) and this maybe (looks a bit too big?) are also good in this regard. Sorta like a split keyboard.
Vertical must be weird for fingertip or claw type of users though. I for one would struggle moving mouse accurately with my whole arm instead of just wrist/fingers only - whereas your typical mouse is usually fine for everyone.
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The Lenovo legion go looks like it will be my first handheld pc. Although I'm also still considering the steam Deck with the new LED screen. I know the steam deck isn't as powerful as the rog Ally or the legion go but all the optimizations that valve has done for is a major Plus for the steam deck in my opinion. The Lenovo legion go it's probably my first choice because of the sheer size of the screen.
Yeah I’m completely new to pc gaming and this is going to be my pc handheld choice since I didn’t want to get a laptop. I was going to get the steam deck but the screen is so good
The fact that this doesn't have a keyboard attachment and a dock is astounding. Bag to hold all the attachments, versatility is really this thing's strong suit.
A keyboard you attach will have to be heavy if you want to use it without kickstanding the heavy main body. I plan to just bluetooth connect to it with a compact BT keyboard and have the kickstand out with no controllers attached for productivity.
2 reasons I bought my Steam Deck. I needed an additional computer I can bring with me and will be ready to use in the back of my truck (semi truck driver) so first I wanted to support the company that kicked this up which you could argue was Nintendo but Valve is the company that really kicked the first field goal. And second the price to performance is the best in my opinion. Seeing competitors coming up like this I will continue to see as a good thing because it's going to bring new ideas and push competition down the road.
I think you can turn on or off the controllers while they are disconnected after you power on the device. You just have to hold down Legion L (Left controller) or Legion R (Right controller) button for 7 seconds and they will turn on and pair to your GO
Yup, I have the Legion Go and this is how you turn them on In Bob’s defense, I did have to google how to turn them on because you have to hold the button for waaay longer than you would think
@@ggarcia4114 Yeah, I don't get why you have to be holding the damn button for that long.. Why couldn't it be much less than 7 seconds? Like 3 seconds would've been long enough 🤣
@@orbit203 my gues is its possibly a 2 way "safety" feature, in which having it to short may cause it to either shut off while in gameplay, or accidentally turn them on when they shouldn't be.
I love my Legion Go. Thunderbolt 3 means egpu support. So, I'll dock it to my TV with an RTX 3080 hooked up through a Razer Core X. So, 1440/4k docked, and then 1200/1600p in handheld. Meets all my gaming needs!
One thing I think a lot of people get wrong about the Steam Deck (and by extension the Steam Controller) and its trackpads is that people seem to think that the trackpad is intended to be used just by itself for mouse/joystick emulation. Valve very intentionally included a gyro sensor and a ridiculously deep configurator so you could combine the two. Try-hards will say "flick-stick or death" with gyro always on, but I like to be more relaxed when I'm gaming, so I just have gyro set to activate when I touch the trackpad. It's the best of both worlds, like Lord Gaben himself took a standard twin-stick controller, a keyboard, and a mouse, fused them together, and made the Steam Controller. The software is where it's at, and the community layouts are usually pretty solid (with some tweaking to fit personal preference.) All I'm gonna say, Valve *really* should have included some tutorials for configuration that give examples of how to use it instead of relying on the community to act like Jehova's Witnesses. The irony is not lost on me that I am doing it right now because Valve still hasn't done that very simple act of educating their users on their products. 😂 It's been over a decade since the Steam Controller launched with the controller configurator API, and it's still all community based for the most part. Dualsense, Dualshock 3-4, and Switch controller users all would also benefit from such educational materials, as you can set buttons to be gyro activation. There's layers and layers more, but I'll leave the rest of that for TH-cam videos that already exist (a few of which I made myself, way back when the Steam Controller was still fairly new.)
As you are the guy who has convinced me to buy 3 8bitdo controllers by (rightfully) praising the D-pads those controllers have, I would have really loved to hear a bit more about how the D-pads feel and how the comfort of using it compares to the other two PC handhelds referenced.
I'm still quite content with the Retroid Pocket 3+ I got earlier this year, but in another year or two I suspect I'll be on the market for a Steamdeck-level PC handheld. It's pretty awesome seeing how quickly advancements being made in that arena in the meantime, though - I can't wait to see what's available when I'm ready to start shopping!
That's what I did with the Retroid Pocket 2. I got it years ago and then got the steam deck after and haven't used my RP2 since. Since Steam Deck can run retro games too and easier thanks to Emu Deck ❤ and more consoles like the Switch Ps3 and OG Xbox and 360 kinda
Bob does such fantastic impression/review videos! I highly enjoyed this overview of the Legion! My question for everyone is…If you don’t have a handheld device like this yet, which one are you thinking of getting of the 3, especially now that the OLED Steam Deck is here?
OLED Steam Deck tops my list. They addressed most things and still have the controls, software, support, marketshare, value crowns. GPD Win 4 or mini really interest me, but I'm not currently in a position to gamble with dealing with their China support and cooling is also a huge priority for the environment I live in. Them being smaller really appeals to me, but in spite of my smaller hands, they're not as ergonomic, according to reviews. I have small hands and want to use Legion Go in ways reviewers say it's too heavy for. It's special feature, involves laptop table top territory and I have a 1660 Ti laptop and mouse. Weirdly, the Go would be more compelling if it included a surface like keyboard, active stylus, but not at an increased price or not too increased. I understand why the audio isn't as good on Go, but it definitely hurts my interest. Ever since I've had a phone with great speakers, I realize I use my phone speakers more than I use IEMs or my ANC overears, now. I really thought my situation meant more headphone use, but while I need it sometimes it's not a majority. I enjoy not using headphones most. Landscape & VRR on the Ally are very tasty features. I really wish the Steam Deck had landscape & VRR. The SD card issue, is a deal breaker for me. Asus's support track record vs Valve, doesn't help either. I say this as someone who often ends up buying Asus, after research. It's not a clamshell, so a case would have been nice. Asus did Asus things and cheaped on the Wi-Fi, like usual, I think? Although, unlike their laptops, you can't just upgrade the wifi card for $20-30, I think.
PlayNite launching in Big Picture mode seems like a really good option as a game launcher for windows handhelds (and supports many different game libraries)
For a handheld, I think the best experience you can get is at 720p. I already thought 1080p was pushing it. By leaving a device at 720p, you can have a longer battery life and better performance in general because the graphics aren’t pushing extra pixels. When plugged in, sure, update the experience to 1080p, heck even 1440p if the handheld can handle it. But ultimately, there’s no need for more than 1080p.
@@LukeZala you make it sound like I have a choice lol. 720p for gaming isn't the same as 720p for a user interface that serves as the front of phone design. You literally don't know what you're talking about lol
This thing feels like those gaming laptops with 2 GPUs and SSDs in raid, but last about 1h gaming. I like that theres differences between companines and they are both competetively priced for a higer end product. We'll see how the software support is for Lenovo.
I was there for the GPD Win, which is arguably the first true gaming umpc, and the community would always talk about how great it'll be once big companies started doing this. And now it's happening. Not only are there more options and reducing price with competition, but it also makes game devs consider optimization for these systems. I still stick with the Chinese companies bc I can handle the cost and they still are including functions or specs I prefer (like even allowing higher tdp levels). But lots of good options now for people.
@@Fernando-ek8jpI liked the Chinese handhelds but one thing that was always terrible, if there is a problem with the device, good luck getting it fixed quickly/if at all. My GPD Win 3 was great, loved the size and formfactor, but the keyboard doesn’t turn on until 5 minutes after you slide the screen up. It was really irritating, and with the Deck and these other companies coming out with handhelds that make repair not as much of a headache, and in Valves case you can order replacement parts. GPD couldn’t help me with my issue, so at the end of the day I had a broken out of the box system and could do nothing about it.
That's why i Like the Lenovo Legion Go form factor: the tablet mode. I'd never buy a handheld pc just for gaming, but I like the idea of having a handheld to play pc games. However, with the legion go, you can use the tablet only, with a really thin keyboard and mouse to go to class or to the cafe, just like you'd use an android tablet, but this time you have windows, so you can use software like pc version of microsoft office or even cad software (if it serves for anything in a less than 15" screen). For me something like the legion go offers the convenience of tablets and windows, with just a bit of extra clumkiness - i'd rather buy this to a more expensive ipad or samsung tablet any day of the week; but then i think how much more efficient would be to just bring my laptop around anyways.... I'm still deciding whether or not to go for these devices, but the LEnovo Legion Go is the closest from what I'd like to get, handheld PC related. Thanks for the video, Wulff, seems like nobody is focusing in the tablet mode for anything other than gaming, and you at least mentioned it.
Idk, I dug up one of my older 8.9 inch tablets for comparison / getting an idea on how it'd look and I wouldn't really want to use that with a keyboard and mouse. Same thing goes for my 12.9 inch Ipad, writing with a pen on it is fine, hunching over to get closer to the small display to use desktop applications not so much. Holding these "small" displays right up to your face works just fine, putting them on a desk and moving further away however... It's like 2 people trying to play a switch in tablet mode, neither can really see anything. You can most certainly do it, but why would you. With a case it's going to be about as clunky as a laptop, just in a different dimensions.
I do agree with what you said about diminishing returns in regards to having such a high resolution screen on a handheld. Lenovo could have just went with the same resolution and refresh rate as the Steam Deck and cut the price down because I know for sure the Legion could not run most modern AAA games well above 70 FPS at low settings. Some of these companies aiming to get into the handheld gaming scene tend to focus on the wrong things when it comes to making one. We need more TDP, resolution and fan speed options through more optimized software on top of better design of the main body for better air flow. In my opinion, those should take priority when it comes to coming up with a Windows handheld.
We need SIGNIFICANTLY lower TDP, 15W is too much for a handheld with a 50whr battery, and thats only the cpu power draw. Its insane people are willing to pay so much for such an alpha product
When I showed my family and friends my Steam Deck, they thought I got a fifth Nintendo Switch. If I get the Lenovo Legion Go, they'll be even more confused because of the detachable controller. Well, they need to learn to differentiate products because I'm getting one.
I definitely agree with diminishing returns on resolution. While 720p of the switch and 800p of the steam deck is definitely noticeable even for the size, I think the 1080p of the ally is the sweet spot. 720 will definitely be better if you're aiming for performance since it's not that much worse than 1080 on handhelds, but there's definitely that point past 1080 where it starts to not really matter for most people. The one and only exception would be something like the pimax portal which is trying to do VR so the 4k resolution on the handheld is kinda necessary with it being so close to your face.
@@mechanicalmonk2020it’s not the case tho. Many people are saying 800p looks blurry. Filterless said that 720p on the ally looks better than 800p on the go
I honestly think this would be great to get and mostly use as just a tablet. Pretty much impossible to find a 9 inch tablet that has even a little power behind it so I may just be getting this for that.
I wish gaming would make the switch to arm processing and had more games optimized for that. Trying to cram down pc hardware into handhelds like this, whilst cool as heck, could be way more efficient. That's my take on handhelds.
Nintendo really made the right choice partnering with Nvidia and getting their ARM SoCs, plus now they're at the forefront of upscaling tech with DLSS which would be a perfect fit for the Switch 2.
ARM isn't all that. It's slightly better overall on efficiency. The big difference is the little big design. X86 is getting there on that. You can make an ARM handheld of course and put games through one or two levels of translation but it's not give give the benefits you're after. The switch works because people are targeting ARM for their software. No one's gonna do that for PC
@@TheMattMercywindows been running for years wym? Arm will never beat x86 in performance and that's why the switch has not had a new one in years because arm is not meant for super how performance like x86
@@itsquiwi8780 Just repeating something I heard on WAN; but I think that's that they meant, getting it to acceptable performance EDIT: Looked it up & they were talking about 64-bit x86 emulation support on windows ARM & it was 3 years ago; I'm guessing it was mentioned again recently about improving efficiency & performance.
I play a lot of VN so for me the Lenovo go works great and the screen size rocks and I am not struggling to read the font unlike my steam deck. I have been already using the screen with the controllers detached already when I do my VN. I am getting games load like no man sky and Pharaoh to test out some rts play. But so far for me the money has been worth it.
I've had by Go since 10/31 and haven't seen these heat issues, almost at all. Jet engine fans, yes. I think there is something wonky with that top USB port. I couldn't get any display output at all on the top USB port to an external monitor/dock. Open case with Lenovo and I had to hard reset the device, but it's happened more than once. I think the trackpad on the Go is well implemented. Like Bill on Nerd Nest said a few weeks ago, the larger screen makes using touch and on-screen keyboards a bit more usable than on the Ally...I agree with that.
I travel for work. I love using this thing with the kickstand and controllers detached on the plane. I was just on a 5 hour flight playing Starfield at 60 fps while plugged in. I am also a work from home parent and don't have a lot of interest in sitting at my work space to play PC games at night. The legion go gives me so much flexibility. It's almost as powerful as my 3060 laptop in all honesty. I can get more fps because I can run games at 800p and they look as good or better on the small screen as 1440p. The Steam deck was amazing but struggled with so many newer games like Starfield. This is the perfect compromise in my opinion. Gamepass is also awesome to have on the go.
I feel like the mouse mode should be an optional variant not the default. Definitely a niche that a lot of people would rather just not have those buttons getting in the way of regular gameplay.
Without rubbing one out for them Lenovo has been doing cool/weird/bespoke computers and stuff for quite a while so this makes sense; dual screen laptops, some of the first convertables, the trackbutton, some of the first consumer grade CAD machines, and a bunch of oddities come to mind
I have never in my life seen anyone whip out a gaming device on a bus or anywhere in public , on planes I have but folks mostly use phones to pass the commute time I think these handhelds are being used more in people's homes than outside
@@Dx-so7jm how about Gameboys and DS's, PSPs or Vitas? I don't think we are gonna see handheld PCs in the wild but that is a failure of their design, we are still not at the point when people feel as comfortable with those as they do with Nintendo portable consoles
@@zDToddy you're not wrong , I don't travel public as much as most but even DSs and Vitas I usually on see small kids playing , these PCs are to big and expensive for small kids , seems more like adult toys
I got the ayaneo OG a few years ago, have been looking at upgrading to something newer. There's the ayaneo KUN, Steamdeck OLED, ROG Ally, now this Lenovo Legion Go. I like this the most, would be easier to replace the tablet part or controllers, and table top mode is useful sometimes.
Screen size, mouse pad and detachable controllers sounds perfect! I've only had problems with my team deck was looking at selling it and grabbing this, but its pretty much $2000 NZD :o
The reason they did that high of a resolution is because it will make low demand gaming super crisp and it allows perfect integer scaling at 1280 x 800(2:1), so the image doesn't get blurred for the higher end games.
I read in some reviews, it needs drivers or something for that integer scaling to start actually happening, cuz at least the launch views weren't getting it yet. ThePhawx was downloading some community dev stuff.
@@TJ-cs6vu It seems like they did a hack job on the software to push it out for Christmas. I believe integer scaling was on the future to do list when the devs answered community questions but only time will tell if they follow through. For the moment there is a registry edit floating on reddit to get it working.
Cheers for putting the product name in the video title. It's one of those little things that I respect way more than trying to make a clickbait-y open-ended title.
Really like the format of this review. It's like a conversation that naturally covers the key topics. Might have to get this over the other handhelds. Nice video!
For me, I just like that the physically larger screen allows me to see things a bit better in games like Diablo 4, or the stratagem codes in Helldivers 2.
i’ll be waiting on this one bcus i am actually REALLY interested in this handheld but i want to wait for it to mature a bit before i sink stuff into it
maybe they’ll make a smaller version? or a more compact one without sacrificing the feel and how premium it seems to be. i don’t mind smaller screens! i love my rg35xx (thank you bob, considering the rg35xx+ and getting a powkiddy x55)
I have it on a Lenovo universal dock thunderbolt 4, which is an amazing dock everything works perfectly, running dual display with display ports, I never noticed it getting hot and nothing stopped working. I think those cheapy steam deck style docks don’t work as well, I had a lot of issues using those type of docks from Amazon with the ally.
I think if I was in the market for a handheld gaming PC, I would go for the Lenovo Go, a buddy of my mine has an Ally, and it feels so cheap for the price, and the screen really looks subpar, the Switch OLED looks much nicer.
DON'T BUY THIS. Please spare yourself the headaches and wasted money. I know these TH-camrs make their living off these reviews and this guy can afford to just buy a Legion Go just because. But seriously... it blows big time. Software is horrible, and I mean horrible. The device randomly chokes and takes a while to load some apps or even elements of the Windows UI even with bare minimum background tasks running. Lenovo's software suite doesn't work. Valve just announced the Steam Deck OLED, it's tough to make an argument as to why most folks shouldn't just buy that. Maybe if you play games that require Windows, thats all I can think of.
@@dribblesbibblescope more SD is for chumps, and this is coming from someone who had it before and sold it, it's good as an emulation device and linux sucks balls for current and newer releases.
Steamdeck is mostly used by people who like gyro aiming + trackpad aiming. This works together to replace mouse and keyboard in shooters. It is way more accurate then right stick aiming. but maybe not as good as mouse aiming.
I think the steam deck is used mostly by console players that don’t know how pcs work and don’t care about the trackpads or back buttons but wanted a cheap option… not that the steam deck is cheap everywhere
I'm a big fan of Lenovo. They've done a lot of great things with their Acquisition of I b m's think pads and motorola. The moto z4 is highly underrated with its modular set up.
I think this is exactly what I waited for my whole life, pretty much since there windows pocket pc (PDA) era > 20 years ago. How damn versatile is this omg and ith dualboot linux/steamOS, heck o.o dream finally comes true ^^
The Hall Effect became a buzz after the joycon drift fiasco. People wanted a way to permanently fix their joycons and the hall effect sticks are what solved that.
A lot of the features speak to me. The non vrr display kinda stinks but my Deck doesn't do that either and I have been great with it running at 40hz. This screen should support 48fps really well since that is 1/3 ratio for 144hz and the extra horse power will absolutely take you there. Sub 60 fps on handhelds is less noticeable in general in my opinion because the travel of objects between frames is much harder to perceive, so I honestly think at 48 fps this thing will sing. Seems like a surprisingly feature complete 3rd "luxury option".
While I agree with you that this is the year that handheld PCs became mainstream, I would recommend most mainstream users to hold off buying one until next year, when basic flaws are ironed out. The main thing being that all handhelds should come with a native landscape screen, which the Legion Go lacks. It uses the same flipped portrait screen that Aya, OneX and GPD use and when you’ve used a native landscape screen on the ROG Ally and Steam Deck, those come with a host of compatibility issues that most users won’t want to deal with. I REALLY wanted to love the Legion Go, especially for the large screen and detachable controllers, so it could double as a Surface Pro-like tablet on top of being a powerhouse gaming handheld. Considering the screen, lackluster software and disappointing speakers, I think I’m going to stick with the ROG Ally for now. Still, it’s great to see how the succes of the Steam Deck has incentivized larger manufacturers to dip their toes into this product category. As someone that actually bought the Razer Edge Pro in 2014/2015, these devices are making a decade old dream reality for me.
I want a keyboard cover for this thing. Hope someone makes that. Just make it the width of the screen so that it protects and is like a really small laptop.
You can actually turn the controllers on by holding the Legion L and Legion R buttons for a couple of seconds. You still can't wake the system from sleep this way but you don't need to reattach the controller and detach them.
i hope that this makes Controller Mouse Hybrids a more common thing, as I'm one of the weirdos that hate WASD for movement but loves Mouse for aiming & yeah the Lenovo JoyCons having the slider be downwards is gonna end up in tragedy
While the full resolution might not make much sense for a lot of games, older ones might look great with the full tests and full fps. There's also media consumption. Since it can be detached as a tablet, I can see it being used for TH-cam or movies
New use case: A disabled person’s computer. When iPads or other touch tablets with no buttons are a problem, I wonder if OTs could recommend these in the future. Easier nav, upright mouse, put the monitor/tablet on a mount… along with voice to text and text to speech, these form factors could have an alternate potential to gaming. Sorry if there are better options, I just know an OT and some disabled people that have trouble with touch screens and re-linking trackballs etc. that don’t work well anyway. (OT = occupational therapy) Related: I watched to see if this had a left handed mouse and how the mouse worked. That upright style is appealing for past arm injuries, but I’ll need to see if the buttons reach for left hand only use. Thanks for vid “Mr. Den ;-)” Love your team’s video edits and the jokes. I watch your old buried ads just for fun. Edited for typo. ok ok typo bc I was using speech to text…
You probably wouldn't want to use a vertical mouse for a competitive shooter or detail-orientated graphic work. But as an on/off MMO player who would get wrist pain from gaming sessions with a normal mouse, all that strain went away when I started using a vertical mouse. What you lose in pure accuracy you make up for in comfort. And it's better than using a trackpad, which people put up with all the time.
You forgot to show how responsive the joypad is during fighting games and how comfortable The joypad is during fighting games. I was ready to buy an rog until this was released now I have no idea which one to buy then I saw your video so I'm leaning towards rog again also which one has better software update support
your comment about the resolution being maybe too big i feel is, while a valid concern, able to be completely mitigated by the fact that having resolution that high means that you can run games at a lower res, even 1080 or 720, and then upscale it and it will still end up looking better while still running at similar if not identical performance as the other two devices
I think that's the whole point too. 1600 / 2 = 800p just like the Steam Deck. However, with the Lenovo you can watch movies or have a full QHD tablet as well. This makes the Lenovo really hard to pass up over the Steam Deck.
@@danieljones9334 I have a Switch that's why I said it. Why do you find it absurd That I want a similar experience for my PC games.?I just don't find a need such a big screen. If it was ROG size it would be perfect.
This is so much versatile than ally or steamdeck. I can use this as my main Netflix player while travelling for example (without the controls). I can use it simply as a windows tablet when I don’t want to play any games. You can do that with ally but you ll have the controls attached, you can’t use it as a simple tablet.
Dell must be shooting themselves in the foot right now for not going forward with that prototype handheld a couple of years back...
Oh shit I forgot about that.
They never released it and every other company made one 💀
Don't matter they'd goof it somehow whether it be too expensive or expensive and a piece of trash
Dell were probably very smart as is just as bad being too early as it is being too late. However we are far from it being too late right now.
They would have fucked it up, Asus and Lenovo are just as good as they are because Valve showed how to do it first
Wouldn't be shocked to see Dell/Alienware enter the arena at CES
Crazy he likes it the least out of the others, I own all 3 and like the go the most because of the screen size (maybe im just old) and the versatility of just carrying the screen as a tablet plus its the most powerful of the 3
I find I disagree with wulff den about almost everything. I remember him complaining about some android handheld being hard to set up, turned out he missed a completely obvious feature and that's why he was having a hard time.
I don't think it's crazy. They each have their pros and cons and it will come down to different priorities.
My priorities, coolest (Steam Deck OLED vs Ally), handheld ergonomics (Ayn Odin 2 > Steam Deck OLED > LCD ), repairability (Steam Deck), software (SD) , Support (Steam Deck), VRR (Ally), landscape (Ally), battery life (??? Steam Deck OLED?), color gamut (Steam Deck OLED?), Storage (draw) . SD Card (Steam Deck wins, this is my Ally deal breaker), Audio (Steam Deck OLED > Ally, Steam Deck), community (Steam Deck)
There things I like about GPD Win 4 or mini that none of these have, but they deal break cooling, ergo and risk.
I don't think you'd call me crazy for this reasoning, just like I'm not calling you crazy for the Go doing it for you.
Im really curious what you believe to be the ultimate form factor.
Lets assume this year AMD releases say 6 zen 5c cores + 6700xt performance in a 3-7W apu, and total system power is MAX 15W when docked, and the APU has good idle/ sleep low consumption. What would be the ideal form? Clamshell with controllers at the top? candybar? or slide or something else
The screen IS the main reason why I will buy it! My aging eyes cannot deal with just a 7 inch screen. I need to watch Netflix/Hulu/movies, Kindle book reading, Google play PC/Bluestacks, web surfing and anything I would do on a tablet. Gaming is only 50% of what I would use it for. I could care less about the fan sound because I’m 57 and don’t have the 20 something ears. The FPS mode looks amazing!! I can’t wait to buy it hopefully by January
PC Handhelds are on a roll right now...
And they ain't stopping!!
RE: the mouse function, it IS shaped like a real mouse, or at least you hold it like you would hold an ergonomic upright mouse. I can understand wanting it to lie flat if those are the mice you're used to, but if you're struggling with hand strain, an upright mouse is a dream, and I'm glad that Lenovo chose to make this mouse ergonomic in that way.
I was just about to say, having the mouse being ergonomic that way, is like 50% why i bought it🤣
it's called vertical mouse
The detachable controllers like in switch (particular if add grips) and this maybe (looks a bit too big?) are also good in this regard. Sorta like a split keyboard.
Vertical must be weird for fingertip or claw type of users though. I for one would struggle moving mouse accurately with my whole arm instead of just wrist/fingers only - whereas your typical mouse is usually fine for everyone.
I dont have vertical mouse but i wish i had one. I have pain on the wrist
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The Lenovo legion go looks like it will be my first handheld pc. Although I'm also still considering the steam Deck with the new LED screen. I know the steam deck isn't as powerful as the rog Ally or the legion go but all the optimizations that valve has done for is a major Plus for the steam deck in my opinion. The Lenovo legion go it's probably my first choice because of the sheer size of the screen.
Yeah I’m completely new to pc gaming and this is going to be my pc handheld choice since I didn’t want to get a laptop. I was going to get the steam deck but the screen is so good
Buy both.
Steam Deck OLED
The deck will forever be better just because of valve's support in software and hardware. You're not getting that anywhere else.
@@ThompYT forever easier and simpler. Not across the board better
The fact that this doesn't have a keyboard attachment and a dock is astounding. Bag to hold all the attachments, versatility is really this thing's strong suit.
Shouldn't be hard for a third party to make a dock
Oh it’s definitely gonna happen
A keyboard you attach will have to be heavy if you want to use it without kickstanding the heavy main body. I plan to just bluetooth connect to it with a compact BT keyboard and have the kickstand out with no controllers attached for productivity.
@@Chris-kv4vl The whole point would be to use the kickstand. Like a Surface. No need to add an unnecessary second hinge.
You can use a blu-tooth set up
2 reasons I bought my Steam Deck. I needed an additional computer I can bring with me and will be ready to use in the back of my truck (semi truck driver) so first I wanted to support the company that kicked this up which you could argue was Nintendo but Valve is the company that really kicked the first field goal. And second the price to performance is the best in my opinion.
Seeing competitors coming up like this I will continue to see as a good thing because it's going to bring new ideas and push competition down the road.
I was debating between the Go, and Steam Deck OLED. I'm going for the Steam Deck. The optimization is there.
@@thundergato84 You definitely made the right choice but I don't see the "optimization"
@@ThompYTcoping with his purchase.
I think you can turn on or off the controllers while they are disconnected after you power on the device. You just have to hold down Legion L (Left controller) or Legion R (Right controller) button for 7 seconds and they will turn on and pair to your GO
Yup, I have the Legion Go and this is how you turn them on
In Bob’s defense, I did have to google how to turn them on because you have to hold the button for waaay longer than you would think
@@ggarcia4114 Yeah, I don't get why you have to be holding the damn button for that long.. Why couldn't it be much less than 7 seconds? Like 3 seconds would've been long enough 🤣
@@orbit203 my gues is its possibly a 2 way "safety" feature, in which having it to short may cause it to either shut off while in gameplay, or accidentally turn them on when they shouldn't be.
This goes back to the point of "there should be included instructions on how to best use the controllers out of the box".
I love my Legion Go. Thunderbolt 3 means egpu support. So, I'll dock it to my TV with an RTX 3080 hooked up through a Razer Core X. So, 1440/4k docked, and then 1200/1600p in handheld. Meets all my gaming needs!
One thing I think a lot of people get wrong about the Steam Deck (and by extension the Steam Controller) and its trackpads is that people seem to think that the trackpad is intended to be used just by itself for mouse/joystick emulation. Valve very intentionally included a gyro sensor and a ridiculously deep configurator so you could combine the two. Try-hards will say "flick-stick or death" with gyro always on, but I like to be more relaxed when I'm gaming, so I just have gyro set to activate when I touch the trackpad. It's the best of both worlds, like Lord Gaben himself took a standard twin-stick controller, a keyboard, and a mouse, fused them together, and made the Steam Controller.
The software is where it's at, and the community layouts are usually pretty solid (with some tweaking to fit personal preference.) All I'm gonna say, Valve *really* should have included some tutorials for configuration that give examples of how to use it instead of relying on the community to act like Jehova's Witnesses. The irony is not lost on me that I am doing it right now because Valve still hasn't done that very simple act of educating their users on their products. 😂 It's been over a decade since the Steam Controller launched with the controller configurator API, and it's still all community based for the most part. Dualsense, Dualshock 3-4, and Switch controller users all would also benefit from such educational materials, as you can set buttons to be gyro activation.
There's layers and layers more, but I'll leave the rest of that for TH-cam videos that already exist (a few of which I made myself, way back when the Steam Controller was still fairly new.)
A lot of people still don’t care and only want to use xinput
@@xMRxLAMAx wrong terminology, and a lot of people DO care
As you are the guy who has convinced me to buy 3 8bitdo controllers by (rightfully) praising the D-pads those controllers have, I would have really loved to hear a bit more about how the D-pads feel and how the comfort of using it compares to the other two PC handhelds referenced.
From what I heard from other reviewers, steam deck's D-pad is the only decent one.
@@lo-filogic thank you!
If you haven't already check the channel out, Retro Game Corps puts emphasis on the Dpad in his reviews.
It's not the best but not the worst. Probably a downgrade from 8bitdo like most handhelds
The legions d pad ( I own it) very stiff. The ally was mushy. ( I returned it) steam deck way way better
I'm still quite content with the Retroid Pocket 3+ I got earlier this year, but in another year or two I suspect I'll be on the market for a Steamdeck-level PC handheld. It's pretty awesome seeing how quickly advancements being made in that arena in the meantime, though - I can't wait to see what's available when I'm ready to start shopping!
Exactly, Valve getting this thing goingt is such a good thing for consumers.
Yeah. If you start saving up to $400-$5
600 for one, by the time you're ready you'll have some nice price competitive options.
That's what I did with the Retroid Pocket 2. I got it years ago and then got the steam deck after and haven't used my RP2 since. Since Steam Deck can run retro games too and easier thanks to Emu Deck ❤ and more consoles like the Switch Ps3 and OG Xbox and 360 kinda
I love how the OLED Steam Deck was announced two hours after this video came out
Which do u think would be the better purchase
The video you watching is a better purchase
depends what you wanna do with it and what games you play@@doggymustach4749
Bob does such fantastic impression/review videos! I highly enjoyed this overview of the Legion! My question for everyone is…If you don’t have a handheld device like this yet, which one are you thinking of getting of the 3, especially now that the OLED Steam Deck is here?
OLED Steam Deck tops my list. They addressed most things and still have the controls, software, support, marketshare, value crowns.
GPD Win 4 or mini really interest me, but I'm not currently in a position to gamble with dealing with their China support and cooling is also a huge priority for the environment I live in. Them being smaller really appeals to me, but in spite of my smaller hands, they're not as ergonomic, according to reviews.
I have small hands and want to use Legion Go in ways reviewers say it's too heavy for. It's special feature, involves laptop table top territory and I have a 1660 Ti laptop and mouse. Weirdly, the Go would be more compelling if it included a surface like keyboard, active stylus, but not at an increased price or not too increased. I understand why the audio isn't as good on Go, but it definitely hurts my interest. Ever since I've had a phone with great speakers, I realize I use my phone speakers more than I use IEMs or my ANC overears, now. I really thought my situation meant more headphone use, but while I need it sometimes it's not a majority. I enjoy not using headphones most.
Landscape & VRR on the Ally are very tasty features. I really wish the Steam Deck had landscape & VRR. The SD card issue, is a deal breaker for me. Asus's support track record vs Valve, doesn't help either. I say this as someone who often ends up buying Asus, after research. It's not a clamshell, so a case would have been nice. Asus did Asus things and cheaped on the Wi-Fi, like usual, I think? Although, unlike their laptops, you can't just upgrade the wifi card for $20-30, I think.
Oled steamdeck or ally, haven't decided how important Xbox gamepass is yet.
PlayNite launching in Big Picture mode seems like a really good option as a game launcher for windows handhelds (and supports many different game libraries)
For a handheld, I think the best experience you can get is at 720p. I already thought 1080p was pushing it. By leaving a device at 720p, you can have a longer battery life and better performance in general because the graphics aren’t pushing extra pixels. When plugged in, sure, update the experience to 1080p, heck even 1440p if the handheld can handle it. But ultimately, there’s no need for more than 1080p.
You don’t know nothing
Facts
@@OkoliChimobitheres no point, how are you fitting more pixels in such a tiny screen?
Look at your phone, do you still use 720p in 2023? If yes, 720p is enough for you.
@@LukeZala you make it sound like I have a choice lol. 720p for gaming isn't the same as 720p for a user interface that serves as the front of phone design. You literally don't know what you're talking about lol
Thanks for the review Bob, love having your perspective.
This thing feels like those gaming laptops with 2 GPUs and SSDs in raid, but last about 1h gaming. I like that theres differences between companines and they are both competetively priced for a higer end product. We'll see how the software support is for Lenovo.
I was there for the GPD Win, which is arguably the first true gaming umpc, and the community would always talk about how great it'll be once big companies started doing this.
And now it's happening. Not only are there more options and reducing price with competition, but it also makes game devs consider optimization for these systems.
I still stick with the Chinese companies bc I can handle the cost and they still are including functions or specs I prefer (like even allowing higher tdp levels).
But lots of good options now for people.
And GPD still makes some great devices.
I've never had one, but their design is pretty nifty.
@@Fernando-ek8jp Yah the new win mini looks awesome
@@arthurdurham the wind minis are great, but my favorite, just looks wise, is the Win 4.
Straight up Vita ripoff and I don't care
@@Fernando-ek8jp It is cool, I've used one
@@Fernando-ek8jpI liked the Chinese handhelds but one thing that was always terrible, if there is a problem with the device, good luck getting it fixed quickly/if at all. My GPD Win 3 was great, loved the size and formfactor, but the keyboard doesn’t turn on until 5 minutes after you slide the screen up. It was really irritating, and with the Deck and these other companies coming out with handhelds that make repair not as much of a headache, and in Valves case you can order replacement parts. GPD couldn’t help me with my issue, so at the end of the day I had a broken out of the box system and could do nothing about it.
That's why i Like the Lenovo Legion Go form factor: the tablet mode. I'd never buy a handheld pc just for gaming, but I like the idea of having a handheld to play pc games. However, with the legion go, you can use the tablet only, with a really thin keyboard and mouse to go to class or to the cafe, just like you'd use an android tablet, but this time you have windows, so you can use software like pc version of microsoft office or even cad software (if it serves for anything in a less than 15" screen). For me something like the legion go offers the convenience of tablets and windows, with just a bit of extra clumkiness - i'd rather buy this to a more expensive ipad or samsung tablet any day of the week; but then i think how much more efficient would be to just bring my laptop around anyways.... I'm still deciding whether or not to go for these devices, but the LEnovo Legion Go is the closest from what I'd like to get, handheld PC related. Thanks for the video, Wulff, seems like nobody is focusing in the tablet mode for anything other than gaming, and you at least mentioned it.
Idk, I dug up one of my older 8.9 inch tablets for comparison / getting an idea on how it'd look and I wouldn't really want to use that with a keyboard and mouse. Same thing goes for my 12.9 inch Ipad, writing with a pen on it is fine, hunching over to get closer to the small display to use desktop applications not so much. Holding these "small" displays right up to your face works just fine, putting them on a desk and moving further away however...
It's like 2 people trying to play a switch in tablet mode, neither can really see anything. You can most certainly do it, but why would you. With a case it's going to be about as clunky as a laptop, just in a different dimensions.
I do agree with what you said about diminishing returns in regards to having such a high resolution screen on a handheld. Lenovo could have just went with the same resolution and refresh rate as the Steam Deck and cut the price down because I know for sure the Legion could not run most modern AAA games well above 70 FPS at low settings. Some of these companies aiming to get into the handheld gaming scene tend to focus on the wrong things when it comes to making one. We need more TDP, resolution and fan speed options through more optimized software on top of better design of the main body for better air flow. In my opinion, those should take priority when it comes to coming up with a Windows handheld.
Underrated
We need SIGNIFICANTLY lower TDP, 15W is too much for a handheld with a 50whr battery, and thats only the cpu power draw. Its insane people are willing to pay so much for such an alpha product
When I showed my family and friends my Steam Deck, they thought I got a fifth Nintendo Switch. If I get the Lenovo Legion Go, they'll be even more confused because of the detachable controller.
Well, they need to learn to differentiate products because I'm getting one.
I definitely agree with diminishing returns on resolution. While 720p of the switch and 800p of the steam deck is definitely noticeable even for the size, I think the 1080p of the ally is the sweet spot. 720 will definitely be better if you're aiming for performance since it's not that much worse than 1080 on handhelds, but there's definitely that point past 1080 where it starts to not really matter for most people. The one and only exception would be something like the pimax portal which is trying to do VR so the 4k resolution on the handheld is kinda necessary with it being so close to your face.
These handhelds also need 32gb of ram
1600 integer scales 800p. 800p games would look better on this screen than on the Ally's
@@mechanicalmonk2020it’s not the case tho. Many people are saying 800p looks blurry. Filterless said that 720p on the ally looks better than 800p on the go
Obviously the screen is bigger
It will look blurry.
@@fresco_dinero5155the integer scaling is something they supposedly can fix in the software, though. They just haven't yet.
Just bought this today. Wish me luck boys
I love starting my Thursdays with a Wulff Den video!
I honestly think this would be great to get and mostly use as just a tablet. Pretty much impossible to find a 9 inch tablet that has even a little power behind it so I may just be getting this for that.
It's quite thick. I think it might be more do-able if a case had a hand strap on the back
I wish gaming would make the switch to arm processing and had more games optimized for that. Trying to cram down pc hardware into handhelds like this, whilst cool as heck, could be way more efficient. That's my take on handhelds.
Nintendo really made the right choice partnering with Nvidia and getting their ARM SoCs, plus now they're at the forefront of upscaling tech with DLSS which would be a perfect fit for the Switch 2.
ARM isn't all that. It's slightly better overall on efficiency.
The big difference is the little big design. X86 is getting there on that.
You can make an ARM handheld of course and put games through one or two levels of translation but it's not give give the benefits you're after. The switch works because people are targeting ARM for their software. No one's gonna do that for PC
Microsoft has spent an absurd amount of money trying to make Windows on ARM more viable*
Supposedly they're close but we'll see 🤷🏻♀️
* = Edited
@@TheMattMercywindows been running for years wym? Arm will never beat x86 in performance and that's why the switch has not had a new one in years because arm is not meant for super how performance like x86
@@itsquiwi8780 Just repeating something I heard on WAN; but I think that's that they meant, getting it to acceptable performance
EDIT: Looked it up & they were talking about 64-bit x86 emulation support on windows ARM & it was 3 years ago; I'm guessing it was mentioned again recently about improving efficiency & performance.
I play a lot of VN so for me the Lenovo go works great and the screen size rocks and I am not struggling to read the font unlike my steam deck. I have been already using the screen with the controllers detached already when I do my VN. I am getting games load like no man sky and Pharaoh to test out some rts play. But so far for me the money has been worth it.
I've had by Go since 10/31 and haven't seen these heat issues, almost at all. Jet engine fans, yes. I think there is something wonky with that top USB port. I couldn't get any display output at all on the top USB port to an external monitor/dock. Open case with Lenovo and I had to hard reset the device, but it's happened more than once. I think the trackpad on the Go is well implemented. Like Bill on Nerd Nest said a few weeks ago, the larger screen makes using touch and on-screen keyboards a bit more usable than on the Ally...I agree with that.
U need a display port usb type c cable for it. Not all cable and monitor can do that.
@@Greatbylook Well aware...it's not cable. Bottom port works fine. Hard reset fixed issue but it's occurred more than once.
I travel for work. I love using this thing with the kickstand and controllers detached on the plane. I was just on a 5 hour flight playing Starfield at 60 fps while plugged in.
I am also a work from home parent and don't have a lot of interest in sitting at my work space to play PC games at night.
The legion go gives me so much flexibility. It's almost as powerful as my 3060 laptop in all honesty. I can get more fps because I can run games at 800p and they look as good or better on the small screen as 1440p. The Steam deck was amazing but struggled with so many newer games like Starfield. This is the perfect compromise in my opinion. Gamepass is also awesome to have on the go.
Same bud
I feel like the mouse mode should be an optional variant not the default. Definitely a niche that a lot of people would rather just not have those buttons getting in the way of regular gameplay.
same thing I thought after seeing it.
Without rubbing one out for them Lenovo has been doing cool/weird/bespoke computers and stuff for quite a while so this makes sense; dual screen laptops, some of the first convertables, the trackbutton, some of the first consumer grade CAD machines, and a bunch of oddities come to mind
Perfect "portable handheld" for those who don't ever leave their house and only play at their desks
I have never in my life seen anyone whip out a gaming device on a bus or anywhere in public , on planes I have but folks mostly use phones to pass the commute time
I think these handhelds are being used more in people's homes than outside
@@Dx-so7jm how about Gameboys and DS's, PSPs or Vitas? I don't think we are gonna see handheld PCs in the wild but that is a failure of their design, we are still not at the point when people feel as comfortable with those as they do with Nintendo portable consoles
@@zDToddy you're not wrong , I don't travel public as much as most but even DSs and Vitas I usually on see small kids playing , these PCs are to big and expensive for small kids , seems more like adult toys
I need this for emulation ❤thanks for the video.
I got the ayaneo OG a few years ago, have been looking at upgrading to something newer. There's the ayaneo KUN, Steamdeck OLED, ROG Ally, now this Lenovo Legion Go. I like this the most, would be easier to replace the tablet part or controllers, and table top mode is useful sometimes.
You'd think so, but the Steam Deck is the most repairable and the refresh widened the gap that much more.
Oh yeah Bob time
One might say, “it’s Bobbin Time”
Screen size, mouse pad and detachable controllers sounds perfect! I've only had problems with my team deck was looking at selling it and grabbing this, but its pretty much $2000 NZD :o
The reason they did that high of a resolution is because it will make low demand gaming super crisp and it allows perfect integer scaling at 1280 x 800(2:1), so the image doesn't get blurred for the higher end games.
I read in some reviews, it needs drivers or something for that integer scaling to start actually happening, cuz at least the launch views weren't getting it yet. ThePhawx was downloading some community dev stuff.
They shouldve just done 1440p instead of the 16:10 cuz not all games support 16:10
I had it - it doesnt work, theres no integer scaling
And lenovo hasnt made any announcement of even incorporating integer scaling, when i had it, it was a blurry mess. Returned it
@@TJ-cs6vu It seems like they did a hack job on the software to push it out for Christmas. I believe integer scaling was on the future to do list when the devs answered community questions but only time will tell if they follow through. For the moment there is a registry edit floating on reddit to get it working.
I only clicked the video because the thumbnail looked so good.
3:59 Bob I love you, but you compared the plastic to your aftermarket steam deck shell
after a few updates this handheld is the best one running batman arkham knight at full graphics and 1920p with 55 to 60 fps
Great Stuff, as always.
Cheers for putting the product name in the video title. It's one of those little things that I respect way more than trying to make a clickbait-y open-ended title.
Really like the format of this review. It's like a conversation that naturally covers the key topics. Might have to get this over the other handhelds. Nice video!
For me, I just like that the physically larger screen allows me to see things a bit better in games like Diablo 4, or the stratagem codes in Helldivers 2.
i’ll be waiting on this one bcus i am actually REALLY interested in this handheld but i want to wait for it to mature a bit before i sink stuff into it
maybe they’ll make a smaller version? or a more compact one without sacrificing the feel and how premium it seems to be. i don’t mind smaller screens! i love my rg35xx (thank you bob, considering the rg35xx+ and getting a powkiddy x55)
Bob, i love your videos man. they're simply great. very entertaining 👍
the fps mode is something i woudl expect from nintendo if they actually decided to insert mouse control. So simple yet innovative
Wulff Den, come for the video, stay for the ad!
Keep up the great work Bob!!
The Legion Go is basically a mini Windows tablet. Looks like the iPad mini has some serious competition.
exactly some reviewers are no checking that function out i saw one using in portrait mode pretty neat
Well it is essentially a Y700 tablet with windows and better internals.
I feel like a huge pro to this is how easily it can be adapted to acting as a standard laptop
I have it on a Lenovo universal dock thunderbolt 4, which is an amazing dock everything works perfectly, running dual display with display ports, I never noticed it getting hot and nothing stopped working. I think those cheapy steam deck style docks don’t work as well, I had a lot of issues using those type of docks from Amazon with the ally.
Did you get it on amazon? And does it only work on a thunderbolt display?
QHD at that screen size is sheer hubris!
720p with a 90hz is the sweet spot for a screen that size
I think if I was in the market for a handheld gaming PC, I would go for the Lenovo Go, a buddy of my mine has an Ally, and it feels so cheap for the price, and the screen really looks subpar, the Switch OLED looks much nicer.
DON'T BUY THIS. Please spare yourself the headaches and wasted money. I know these TH-camrs make their living off these reviews and this guy can afford to just buy a Legion Go just because. But seriously... it blows big time. Software is horrible, and I mean horrible. The device randomly chokes and takes a while to load some apps or even elements of the Windows UI even with bare minimum background tasks running. Lenovo's software suite doesn't work. Valve just announced the Steam Deck OLED, it's tough to make an argument as to why most folks shouldn't just buy that. Maybe if you play games that require Windows, thats all I can think of.
@@dribblesbibblesI was debating between the Go, and Steam Deck OLED. I'm going for the Steam Deck. The software optimization is key.
@@dribblesbibbleslol are you aware of software update? We're in 2023 now any issues with software can be fixed look at the ally
@@dribblesbibblescope more SD is for chumps, and this is coming from someone who had it before and sold it, it's good as an emulation device and linux sucks balls for current and newer releases.
Can’t wait for the ARM versions of these handhelds, just imagine the battery life.
Steamdeck is mostly used by people who like gyro aiming + trackpad aiming. This works together to replace mouse and keyboard in shooters. It is way more accurate then right stick aiming. but maybe not as good as mouse aiming.
I think the steam deck is used mostly by console players that don’t know how pcs work and don’t care about the trackpads or back buttons but wanted a cheap option… not that the steam deck is cheap everywhere
Tbh I think it just as good. Once the muscle memory settles.
@@xMRxLAMAxyep, you're right bud! That's why they downsize this and the ally lol
I'm a big fan of Lenovo. They've done a lot of great things with their Acquisition of I b m's think pads and motorola. The moto z4 is highly underrated with its modular set up.
I think this is exactly what I waited for my whole life, pretty much since there windows pocket pc (PDA) era > 20 years ago. How damn versatile is this omg and ith dualboot linux/steamOS, heck o.o dream finally comes true ^^
The Hall Effect became a buzz after the joycon drift fiasco. People wanted a way to permanently fix their joycons and the hall effect sticks are what solved that.
Look at the little guy!
Great review. Need that charger
A lot of the features speak to me. The non vrr display kinda stinks but my Deck doesn't do that either and I have been great with it running at 40hz. This screen should support 48fps really well since that is 1/3 ratio for 144hz and the extra horse power will absolutely take you there. Sub 60 fps on handhelds is less noticeable in general in my opinion because the travel of objects between frames is much harder to perceive, so I honestly think at 48 fps this thing will sing.
Seems like a surprisingly feature complete 3rd "luxury option".
When the next video comes along can you talk more about that mini pico keyboard? That thing looks super cool.
It's the Scotto34 in case you were still interested.
While I agree with you that this is the year that handheld PCs became mainstream, I would recommend most mainstream users to hold off buying one until next year, when basic flaws are ironed out. The main thing being that all handhelds should come with a native landscape screen, which the Legion Go lacks. It uses the same flipped portrait screen that Aya, OneX and GPD use and when you’ve used a native landscape screen on the ROG Ally and Steam Deck, those come with a host of compatibility issues that most users won’t want to deal with.
I REALLY wanted to love the Legion Go, especially for the large screen and detachable controllers, so it could double as a Surface Pro-like tablet on top of being a powerhouse gaming handheld.
Considering the screen, lackluster software and disappointing speakers, I think I’m going to stick with the ROG Ally for now.
Still, it’s great to see how the succes of the Steam Deck has incentivized larger manufacturers to dip their toes into this product category. As someone that actually bought the Razer Edge Pro in 2014/2015, these devices are making a decade old dream reality for me.
Gpd have landscape screens and the steam deck screen is a portrait one
@@xMRxLAMAx Not in the Win 4. Only in the Win Max, which is a laptop anyway. And I already mentioned the Deck
I want a keyboard cover for this thing. Hope someone makes that. Just make it the width of the screen so that it protects and is like a really small laptop.
And the ventilation?
@@Riptor_WL Holes? I mean design it so that it works with it obviously.
Looks great! Buts there's just something about the steamdeck... Maybe it's steam os and the support Valve gives their handheld.
You can actually turn the controllers on by holding the Legion L and Legion R buttons for a couple of seconds.
You still can't wake the system from sleep this way but you don't need to reattach the controller and detach them.
I really like the way you analyze topics. Subscribed!
I love that this video dropped as Valve also announced the Steam Deck OLED
6:27 But my 13” MacBook Pro is
heavy but that’s seen as portable?
Hall effect sensor detect magnetism of permanent magnet.
old school analog stick use variable resistance which directly connected to the resistor.
Might end up buying as a "keyboardless" laptop
I've seen this Lenovo Legion a few times...I think this might make me try one of these PC handhelds out.!
I really like the idea of all these handheld devices, I just don't like handheld gaming. My switch rarely gets used out of the dock.
Really detailed review thank you my first and only pc is a lenovo so this is a very inciting option
i hope that this makes Controller Mouse Hybrids a more common thing, as I'm one of the weirdos that hate WASD for movement but loves Mouse for aiming
& yeah the Lenovo JoyCons having the slider be downwards is gonna end up in tragedy
While the full resolution might not make much sense for a lot of games, older ones might look great with the full tests and full fps.
There's also media consumption. Since it can be detached as a tablet, I can see it being used for TH-cam or movies
I'll tell you, playing fallout new Vegas on this thing at 1600p maxed out is a dream. Looks almost like a remaster
2k144 is the big reason I ordered one😃, with RDNA 3 video decoder it's a streaming beast
Great video people need to make more videos about the Legion go i am loving mine gave my Deck to wife
I LIKE THAT NEW DESK MAT MR. WULFF
This is all in one PC on the go
New use case:
A disabled person’s computer.
When iPads or other touch tablets with no buttons are a problem, I wonder if OTs could recommend these in the future. Easier nav, upright mouse, put the monitor/tablet on a mount… along with voice to text and text to speech, these form factors could have an alternate potential to gaming. Sorry if there are better options, I just know an OT and some disabled people that have trouble with touch screens and re-linking trackballs etc. that don’t work well anyway.
(OT = occupational therapy)
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I watched to see if this had a left handed mouse and how the mouse worked. That upright style is appealing for past arm injuries, but I’ll need to see if the buttons reach for left hand only use.
Thanks for vid “Mr. Den ;-)”
Love your team’s video edits and the jokes. I watch your old buried ads just for fun.
Edited for typo.
ok ok typo bc I was using speech to text…
You probably wouldn't want to use a vertical mouse for a competitive shooter or detail-orientated graphic work.
But as an on/off MMO player who would get wrist pain from gaming sessions with a normal mouse, all that strain went away when I started using a vertical mouse. What you lose in pure accuracy you make up for in comfort. And it's better than using a trackpad, which people put up with all the time.
Me Levono come two day ago and omg is incredible!!! I love the screen and the graphics!!!! ❤❤❤
You forgot to show how responsive the joypad is during fighting games and how comfortable The joypad is during fighting games. I was ready to buy an rog until this was released now I have no idea which one to buy then I saw your video so I'm leaning towards rog again also which one has better software update support
Software? Definitely lenovo but asus did well with the ally, just a reminder sd card is a coin toss.
Any info about the keyboard with the pi pico?
your comment about the resolution being maybe too big i feel is, while a valid concern, able to be completely mitigated by the fact that having resolution that high means that you can run games at a lower res, even 1080 or 720, and then upscale it and it will still end up looking better while still running at similar if not identical performance as the other two devices
I think that's the whole point too. 1600 / 2 = 800p just like the Steam Deck. However, with the Lenovo you can watch movies or have a full QHD tablet as well. This makes the Lenovo really hard to pass up over the Steam Deck.
The loki max has bad grinding on the sticks. Had to use some super 33 tape to make a smooth barrier. Works great after that.
thinking about it, id love to just have those controllers to use with my laptop
You actually CAN take the thumb stick off, there’s even a slot for it in the case!
I wouldn’t sleep peacefully until you make a video about the Odin 2
I LOVE my legion go i just got it today. :)
Those detachable controllers are what I want in a handheld but I wish it was smaller.
Get a switch then 😂
@@danieljones9334 I have a Switch that's why I said it. Why do you find it absurd That I want a similar experience for my PC games.?I just don't find a need such a big screen. If it was ROG size it would be perfect.
Somehow... The GOAT has Returned.
I have one. Works nicely but the Battery goes quickly. Might get a onexplayer 2 beard the battery is stellar.
This is so much versatile than ally or steamdeck. I can use this as my main Netflix player while travelling for example (without the controls). I can use it simply as a windows tablet when I don’t want to play any games. You can do that with ally but you ll have the controls attached, you can’t use it as a simple tablet.
I feel like this proves making the switch more bulky won't be an issue