Catchers blocking the plate was perfectly legal at the major league level until 2014, as long as they either had the ball or the ball was being thrown to them. Runners doing whatever it takes to get past the catcher block the plate in order to tag home plate and score, was also legal, not considered a dirty play by either player for most of the history of baseball.
@@Glum1964 Problem there was that they were taking it too far, so the SS or 2B would get the ball and would be 3' away from the bag after the force out and the runner would slide into them.
That's how the game was taught and played. Check out how they slide into bases in the 20-30's. You'd call these, clean slides. The game evolves but saying these are dirty based on today's standards is wrong!
I’ve seen people dodge leg breaking slides at 2nd base a couple of times . In soccer the slides would not just net you a red ( extremely dangerous play) it’d be career suspension because straight foot cleats out will 110 % shatter the leg Ie Eduardo’s open fracture in arsenal vs Birmingham.. his bone was out from a square cleats out slide., just think your leg is locked into the ground with cleats and a side kick slide is breaking your leg
@Ken Wesaw As soon as I read the title to this video, I wondered how many clips would involve Machado. I've been waiting for years for a 1st baseman to finally lose his patience and beat Machado's nose flat after Machado has tried yet again to break the other player's ankle.
Even though Pedroia refused to call out his "friends'" dirty, career ending shot... Most Boston fans expect whoever is pitching, should we face Machado on the field again, to bean him.
@@WackJallis i mostly agree. but, if you make a genuine slide and happen to up end the fielder, im ok with that. but both of McRaes plays were _o b v i o u s_ the bag was *not his intent.*
@@googoo-gjoob after a genuine slide, the runner would be on the base, not upending the fielder. That kind of play came about as players in the old days would take advantage of ambiguity of whether they were trying to get to the base or trying to interfere with the fielder. Umpires were reluctant to call it, despite it always being against the rules to deliberately try and interfere with a fielder, just like they were reluctant to toss pitchers for throwing at batters until after they'd warned both sides. To me, baseball has always had a real problem with a 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying' attitude. Honor, sportsmanship, and being a positive role model for children are never as important as winning.
Right? The image of him standing on second with his hands on his head looking like a child covered in chocolate syrup denying it was him makes me laugh every time.
@@CrescentRollCarl Because no one has a clearer view of the play than the guy running for third, with Arroyo standing in his line of sight. 😝 Respect the irrational Jeter hatted, but that's a stretch.
Yes, Rose was unapologetic. Watch it again. He started to slide but Fosse didn't budge. Fosse expected Rose to dive head first into planted cleats. Or expected a chunky Rose to juke in the middle of a full sprint. Neither was gonna happen.
Nah, even for that era it was dirty. Dude didn't even try to slide. You had to at least try to slide, but instead McCray just flat out hip checked him.
@@Banzai51 "You had to at least try to slide" Says who? Show me in the rule back then that you had to slide? You NEVER have to slide. At least those were the rules back then.
Baseball has evolved just like football. The stuff you could do or get away with 30 years ago is just mind blowing today. But the one thing I scratch my head at in todays baseball are the "unwritten rules".
@@patpat8727 No, not better. It was meant to be played hard and with aggression. It was not meant to be watered down by the squeamish and the weak. Buster Posey is a weenie, and we didn't need a rule to make everyone else one, too.
@@colyhope6467 Fosse was positioned three feet in front of home. That's why the tackle slide was such an important part of the game. Fair to say that it's too risky to the catcher to allow that kind of slide - that's why they changed the rules - but it was the behavior of catchers like Fosse that created the need for that kind of silde. Because if Fosse had gotten the ball half a second earlier, he would have squared up to Rose, dropped his shoulder, and laid him out.
If you think anything in that video was dirty (with exception of MM and Albert) you are part of the woke problem with baseball today. They used to sharpen their spikes so they could cut people when they slid into bases. It was all part of the game and acceptable. Breaking up a double play was expected, now they have to slide at the 80’ mark so they don’t touch the middle infielders. It’s worse than the NFFL (National Flag Football League) formerly known as the NFL…
@@utgreenheadthe fact that you used the term "woke" to describe baseball is ridiculous.. get your head out of your ass and your eyes off of Fox News and take a nice walk outside for once.
People that never played the game have no idea how much contact there is on the bases and at home plate. I started playing in 1960s and we all had steel spikes. I was taught how to go high with my spikes on a slide into 2d or 3d base to take out the other player. I played 3d base and catcher. I was taught how to block the plate and drop the hammer on a runner trying to come home. Use the shin guards and the catcher's mitt was a weapon to deal out punishment. The game was much different back then, way more aggression.
I kinda miss those plays at 2nd base where they used to be able to take out the fielder. I can see why they were eliminated though. It would have been cool to include the Chase Utley slide that single handedly ended those types of plays.
The rule needed to be changed. You're so vulnerable when throwing, and 2 basemen were getting injured too much. It's one thing to knock a guy off the throw to 1st, but when it becomes part of the game plan to crack ribs or break knees to break up a play, it needs to change. That's not in the spirit of baseball.
@@chipcrayton If you need to see collisions in order to watch baseball, you were never a baseball fan to begin with. Go watch football. There's so much more to baseball than players running into each other.
And still should be. You know how to keep from getting erased at second base? You drill the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he doesn't slide.
You should find videos of the game back in Ty Cobbs day. When they would sharpen their cleats and slide in cleats up high. The slides at second in this video, back then weren't dirty, that was how you were taught to break up the double play.
Ended his career? In his rookie season? Fosse went on to catch for 12 seasons and was a multiple World Series champion and Gold Glove winner and was frequently among the top of the league's defensive stats for his position. Fosse was plagued by injuries throughout his career that had nothing to do with the Rose collision.
Fosse was injured in a collision with Pete Rose at home plate.[8][9] Initial X-rays revealed no fractures or other damage, although a re-examination the following year found Fosse had sustained a fractured and separated shoulder, which healed incorrectly, causing chronic pain that was never entirely resolved.
@@BuckshotPA1 Yeah. No one disputes that. He was injured on the play. Big difference between that and it ended his career. I don't know how you end someone's career when they go on to win awards for being at the top defensively at their position and multiple championships. Fosse also suffered multiple severe injuries apart from this play that you don't seem to realize or acknowledge.
Y’all win! hurt his shoulder. Way back when, I remember announcers talking about his shoulder was never the same and his career suffered. He was an all-star! Still an exhibition game!
How could this video leave out one of the dirtiest plays in baseball history? The Chase Utley slide into second base against the Mets in the playoffs was one of the worst plays ever.
Some of these older clips are from a time when that was just how the game was played. Good they changed the rules but it’s hard to fault players for playing to win.
Base runners learned never to slide hard against Billy Martin. He would low throw past your head. One throw did hit a runner in the face resulting in broken bones.
Even though it's proven he never bet on a game he was involved with. Yup, keep that delusional world you live in alive. I'll break it down in 2 seconds.
@@DC-op8fs *they’re* Learn to recognize sarcasm in life. Also, learn the fucking difference between there, their and they’re. My 8 year old granddaughter knows the difference for fucks sake.
Dick Green getting taken out was not a dirty play. It was expected in that era. McRae asked him if he was okay afterwards. Rose on Fosse in an All-Star game was just ridiculous. Fosse was never the same after that play.
Not gonna lie, never personally seen this clip and I have played some baseball in my time. Definitely looks like there should have been some sort of repercussions for that hit. Some things in sports just slide I suppose
Baseball has had 'dirty players' since the very first game. Playing a 'clean game' is the antithesis of the type of game played by Ty Cobb, Albert Bell, A-Rod, Niekro and the famous Pete Rose. Of course, a lot of players from the past and even to the present have the attitude of 'win at any cost' and the fans are right there with that. I think that, short of shooting your opponent, almost anything goes. Going to an MLB and NFL game must be like going to the gladiator games in Rome.
The Pete Rose play at home was a legitimate play, the catcher was blocking the plate. The others, especially the two take downs at second base, were pretty 💩y. The two take downs at second should have been called as interference and the runner at first called out and any other runners that advanced sent back to their original bag.
I'm with you. I get so sick and tired of these pansy-asses, who never played, saying plays like this are wrong. When a catcher blocks the plate, he does so at his own risk and they DAMN WELL know it. They KNOW the consequences. If you're calling this play dirty, you're nothing but a dumbass.
Shame about the gambling stuff. Quite frankly the fact he only bet on his own teams has never once bothered me. It's one thing to bet against yourself and then throw the game, but betting only on yourself to win? I mean who gives a shit 🙄 dude is all-time and nothing will ever change that... At least until someone breaks his hits record.
@@Mr_Jish I agree with you for the most part but.... Part of the argument about betting on his team to win is that the games he did NOT bet them to win... He may have not managed in the same fashion if he did not have money riding.
@@billrobertson5895 Gambling on games, even if you are betting on your team to win, leave the gambler open to blackmail if he becomes indebted to bookies. That is why it is against the rules for a player or manager to bet on ANY game. And betting on your team to win one game but not on a second game is the equivalent of betting on your team to lose the second game.
By dirty we mean for some silly reason perfectly acceptable per the rules at the time? I love how the same people that call these clips dirty ALSO hate the new home plate and slide rules implimented to fix them
Yeah it was at the time, the ruling didn’t change until after Chase Utley took out Ruben Tejada in the 2015 NLDS. Now the ruling is the runner has to make an attempt to aim for the plate when sliding to break up a double play
@@10Peter25 well then practically everybody that played the game at that time would disagree. The goal of the runner was to break up the double play and help their team win. Do you have any evidence, at that time, getting injured from such a play?
@nicholastrudeau7581 Then everyone was a dirty baserunner back then. I'm familiar enough with the way baseball was played in Hal McRae's day to know two things. 1. You're exaggerating quite a bit. 2. Hal McRae had the reputation even by the standards of his day of being a dirty baserunner.
From my earliest years as a baseball fan in the 70's and 80's I asked how embarrassing examples of runners virtually ignoring the bag and specifically targeting 2nd basemen or shortstops at full speed was in the spirit of baseball, and at no time did I ever hear a reasonable answer other than "that's how it's always been done" or some mumbled blue-collar worship of "scrappy, hard-nosed" players who "do anything for their team" and other assorted bullshit.
I'm sorry what drugs are you on right now? I'd like to buy them because you're fucking hallucinating! If you have the ball, you have the right to BLOCK ANYTHING YOU WANT! Don't like it? Don't watch baseball and get out of these comments.
@@devlinjointz4754 you don't create a rule if it was a clean play, utley was a dirty player most of his career and that was an intentionally dirty play with full intent to do harm.
@@brianemerich2524 its a clean play because there was no rule. Utley said his intention was to break up the double play. Which he did. Unless you can read minds you cant argue otherwise.
The 30 years or so between Yankee dynasties (1965 to the early ‘90s) was a great era for baseball. They may have built a lot of ugly ballparks, but great baseball was played, and smaller cities put up some really good teams.
A lot of those were legal at the time not dirty exactly. Though the player swatting the ball out of the pitcher's glove on the way to first was kind of funny.
The Pete Rose one is a joke...Fosse blocks the plate as Rose is getting ready to slide.....Pete Rose made the right move, Fosse made a blunder that cost himself an injury....
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Catchers blocking the plate was perfectly legal at the major league level until 2014, as long as they either had the ball or the ball was being thrown to them. Runners doing whatever it takes to get past the catcher block the plate in order to tag home plate and score, was also legal, not considered a dirty play by either player for most of the history of baseball.
Same with clearing second to break up a double-play
@@Glum1964 Problem there was that they were taking it too far, so the SS or 2B would get the ball and would be 3' away from the bag after the force out and the runner would slide into them.
That's how the game was taught and played. Check out how they slide into bases in the 20-30's. You'd call these, clean slides. The game evolves but saying these are dirty based on today's standards is wrong!
@@cwalenta656 until the ss or 2nd baseman sidearms a ball toward 1st base that kabongs off the noggin of the baserunner. That'll stop those slides.
Nondescript; SPOT-ON U R!!!!! Un4tun8ly; the rule change was made ,(under the guise of "safety").
Just Manny Machado clips lol
There's solid reason he gets booed
Lol yeah, sad he is like that
in his defense hes calmed down alot since coming to SD.
Him and Puig are the dirtiest players in history
@@VeraIV yeah he knows he’s on his last chance so he has to behave
Out of all the dirty plays out there, these aren't even close to the worst.
Most of them aren't even "dirty".
I’ve seen people dodge leg breaking slides at 2nd base a couple of times . In soccer the slides would not just net you a red ( extremely dangerous play) it’d be career suspension because straight foot cleats out will 110 % shatter the leg Ie Eduardo’s open fracture in arsenal vs Birmingham.. his bone was out from a square cleats out slide., just think your leg is locked into the ground with cleats and a side kick slide is breaking your leg
That Puig one was extra mild. 😂
Manny machado has always been dirty - in both leagues
Dirtiest player in baseball!
Agree about machado.
@Ken Wesaw As soon as I read the title to this video, I wondered how many clips would involve Machado. I've been waiting for years for a 1st baseman to finally lose his patience and beat Machado's nose flat after Machado has tried yet again to break the other player's ankle.
Machado is scum. I'd like to see someone slide into third with their cleats in his face.
Even though Pedroia refused to call out his "friends'" dirty, career ending shot...
Most Boston fans expect whoever is pitching, should we face Machado on the field again, to bean him.
The takeout slide to break up the double play was common as dirt in 70's and 80's baseball. That's just how it was.
That first one wasn't a slide this man flew haha
@@lghrns , it was Hal McRae on both plays.
And it shouldn’t have been. Not then and not now.
@@WackJallis i mostly agree. but, if you make a genuine slide and happen to up end the fielder, im ok with that. but both of McRaes plays were _o b v i o u s_ the bag was *not his intent.*
@@googoo-gjoob after a genuine slide, the runner would be on the base, not upending the fielder. That kind of play came about as players in the old days would take advantage of ambiguity of whether they were trying to get to the base or trying to interfere with the fielder. Umpires were reluctant to call it, despite it always being against the rules to deliberately try and interfere with a fielder, just like they were reluctant to toss pitchers for throwing at batters until after they'd warned both sides. To me, baseball has always had a real problem with a 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying' attitude. Honor, sportsmanship, and being a positive role model for children are never as important as winning.
Lol every time it’s Alex Rodriguez hitting the ball outta the glove at first base like a 7 year old for me, complete with little personal celebration
Right? The image of him standing on second with his hands on his head looking like a child covered in chocolate syrup denying it was him makes me laugh every time.
All I see is "class act" "what a great guy" Jeter clapping in the dugout after the play, knowing full well what just happened.
@@CrescentRollCarl Because no one has a clearer view of the play than the guy running for third, with Arroyo standing in his line of sight. 😝
Respect the irrational Jeter hatted, but that's a stretch.
yeah those McRae tackles look brutal but back then those were considered great hustle plays
They are hustle plays. Did you notice that he checked on the dude, was like "you good?" Then pats him on the back.
And subject to retaliation
a-rod's bitch slap still gets me every time
One of the few actual dirty plays in this video
It was a good play… defender should secure the ball
Yes, Rose was unapologetic. Watch it again.
He started to slide but Fosse didn't budge. Fosse expected Rose to dive head first into planted cleats. Or expected a chunky Rose to juke in the middle of a full sprint. Neither was gonna happen.
The catcher didn't even have the ball, definitely dirty
Before inter-league play. Both teams played to win. Definitely a shame for the rest of Fosse's career.
1:57 That play was part of the game and McCray even asks Green if he's ok. Knowing the situation and just playing hard.
Nah, even for that era it was dirty. Dude didn't even try to slide. You had to at least try to slide, but instead McCray just flat out hip checked him.
@@Banzai51 And didn't even tag the base
@@Banzai51 "You had to at least try to slide" Says who? Show me in the rule back then that you had to slide? You NEVER have to slide. At least those were the rules back then.
@@dandiehm8414 Yeah, you're right. The dude is wrong. Those DP break ups happened every single game.
Baseball has evolved just like football. The stuff you could do or get away with 30 years ago is just mind blowing today. But the one thing I scratch my head at in todays baseball are the "unwritten rules".
I hate that unwritten rule crap. I don't pay attention to any made up rules anyone has to tell me about. Totally agree
It wasn't getting away with anything. It was called hardball.
It's better now. Baseball wasn't meant to be a contact sport.
@@patpat8727 No, not better. It was meant to be played hard and with aggression. It was not meant to be watered down by the squeamish and the weak. Buster Posey is a weenie, and we didn't need a rule to make everyone else one, too.
@@pigdeal31 you can still play hard and with aggression without injuring people. It's not a contact sport. Simple as that.
1:02 I'd like to point out how, that's a good stop by the 3rd base umpire.
If there is a home plate collision because the catcher is blocking the plate, that’s not dirty.
Agreed. Some of the highlights in this video were questionably put there.
But launching into him like a missle is.
@@colyhope6467 Fosse was positioned three feet in front of home. That's why the tackle slide was such an important part of the game. Fair to say that it's too risky to the catcher to allow that kind of slide - that's why they changed the rules - but it was the behavior of catchers like Fosse that created the need for that kind of silde. Because if Fosse had gotten the ball half a second earlier, he would have squared up to Rose, dropped his shoulder, and laid him out.
If you think anything in that video was dirty (with exception of MM and Albert) you are part of the woke problem with baseball today.
They used to sharpen their spikes so they could cut people when they slid into bases. It was all part of the game and acceptable. Breaking up a double play was expected, now they have to slide at the 80’ mark so they don’t touch the middle infielders.
It’s worse than the NFFL (National Flag Football League) formerly known as the NFL…
@@utgreenheadthe fact that you used the term "woke" to describe baseball is ridiculous.. get your head out of your ass and your eyes off of Fox News and take a nice walk outside for once.
It's kinda funny how almost hockey-like body checks were legal in the past
Yeah, a laugh riot for those in the receiving end
hockey, a real sport. I will be forever thankful to Canada for giving us hockey, hey !
@@peterjohnson617 True! 🙌 go avs!
You know what else was legal? Drilling the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he didn't slide. Checks and Balances.
@@dandiehm8414 fair point lol
People that never played the game have no idea how much contact there is on the bases and at home plate. I started playing in 1960s and we all had steel spikes. I was taught how to go high with my spikes on a slide into 2d or 3d base to take out the other player. I played 3d base and catcher. I was taught how to block the plate and drop the hammer on a runner trying to come home. Use the shin guards and the catcher's mitt was a weapon to deal out punishment. The game was much different back then, way more aggression.
I kinda miss those plays at 2nd base where they used to be able to take out the fielder. I can see why they were eliminated though. It would have been cool to include the Chase Utley slide that single handedly ended those types of plays.
The rule needed to be changed. You're so vulnerable when throwing, and 2 basemen were getting injured too much. It's one thing to knock a guy off the throw to 1st, but when it becomes part of the game plan to crack ribs or break knees to break up a play, it needs to change. That's not in the spirit of baseball.
@@chipcrayton If you need to see collisions in order to watch baseball, you were never a baseball fan to begin with. Go watch football. There's so much more to baseball than players running into each other.
No surprise seeing Machado in several clips here. But takeouts of infielders and collisions with catchers used to be pretty standard.
And still should be. You know how to keep from getting erased at second base? You drill the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he doesn't slide.
How about Manny Machado cheap shotting Dustin Pedroia and ripping out his knee and ending his career and basically crippling him.
Machado is a dirty player.
That's the play I was waiting for.
really all you gotta do is show manny machado's career
You should find videos of the game back in Ty Cobbs day. When they would sharpen their cleats and slide in cleats up high. The slides at second in this video, back then weren't dirty, that was how you were taught to break up the double play.
And next time you came to bat ___
Charlie hustle perfectly legal. These days the commissioner/league made the game more candy ass.
I miss them collisions at home plate the good old days of baseball.....
i don’t miss good players being out half the year because they got body slammed in a sport where no one is wearing any sort of protection.
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Good to see the legendary Charlie Hustle on this. I remember growing up and watching Pete Rose. My dad hated the guy.
I’m with your dad
Manny, Manny, Manny.... so much talent but such a dirty player.
what talent?
Exactly my point! What talent?
Pete Rose was built like an NFL fullback.
Rose basically ended the career an all star catcher in an exhibition game!
Ended his career? In his rookie season? Fosse went on to catch for 12 seasons and was a multiple World Series champion and Gold Glove winner and was frequently among the top of the league's defensive stats for his position. Fosse was plagued by injuries throughout his career that had nothing to do with the Rose collision.
Fosse was injured in a collision with Pete Rose at home plate.[8][9] Initial X-rays revealed no fractures or other damage, although a re-examination the following year found Fosse had sustained a fractured and separated shoulder, which healed incorrectly, causing chronic pain that was never entirely resolved.
@@BuckshotPA1 Yeah. No one disputes that. He was injured on the play. Big difference between that and it ended his career. I don't know how you end someone's career when they go on to win awards for being at the top defensively at their position and multiple championships. Fosse also suffered multiple severe injuries apart from this play that you don't seem to realize or acknowledge.
@@BuckshotPA1 and Fosse was not playing during the time between his collision with Rose and new x-rays?
Y’all win! hurt his shoulder. Way back when, I remember announcers talking about his shoulder was never the same and his career suffered. He was an all-star! Still an exhibition game!
Even Vina said Belle knocking him down wasn't dirty. Vina was in the basepath and Belle was preventing Eddie Murray from hitting into a double play.
Puig one wasn't dirty though, he just pushed the catcher, and not even that hard
I’m a Diamondback fan, and I always HATED little Piggy as I used to call him, but I agree, that wasn’t a dirty play.
"Ever"? Well, just since games have televised. From what I understand Ty Cobb made these guys look like honor roll students.
Yeah it’s much more difficult to find filmed footage from that era
The fact that you did not include Kent Hrbek pulling Ron Gant off of first base in the 1991 World Series proves you don't know what a dirty play is.
Hrbek's play was more like cheating. A dirty play causes unnecessary pain. See Machado's career.
I remember when Belle took out Vina like a sack of potatoes with that forearm lol.
How could this video leave out one of the dirtiest plays in baseball history? The Chase Utley slide into second base against the Mets in the playoffs was one of the worst plays ever.
I never would imagined baseball was just as dirty back in the day like football or basketball. Lol.
Players today would cry for a week if they faced an old school double play breakup.
The umpires call the runner out and the batter runner out for a double play and ejection for interference.
When baseball becomes football there needs to be stiff penalties
Some of these older clips are from a time when that was just how the game was played. Good they changed the rules but it’s hard to fault players for playing to win.
Base runners learned never to slide hard against Billy Martin. He would low throw past your head. One throw did hit a runner in the face resulting in broken bones.
Plate blocking, hard slides were generally within the rules and common through the 1980s.
Actions like that should signal the absolute end of the players career.
Glad the Dodgers didn't keep mASShado .
Or puig!
Baseball in the old days was tough. Home plate was open. Cool. Sliding way passed second base was foul.
Kinda miss those days.
With the big money players are making now, MLB and the owners don't want their high priced talent injured on a hard slide or a home plate collision.
Of course Pete was unapologetic he had 20 on the game
Even though it's proven he never bet on a game he was involved with. Yup, keep that delusional world you live in alive. I'll break it down in 2 seconds.
Manny Machado, the Aaron Hernandez of baseball.
How their nothing alike 🤔
@@DC-op8fs
*they’re*
Learn to recognize sarcasm in life. Also, learn the fucking difference between there, their and they’re. My 8 year old granddaughter knows the difference for fucks sake.
The crap Yankees play was appropriately called in that they called the batter-runner was out; but the other run should have gone back to 2nd as well.
A great man once said, "Machado is a bitch." - Me
You did say it, but the whole "great" part and the "man" part are in question.
Potential for AF or rugby available For post-career career. Lumberjacks are always wanted in the north
The title implied this was a slide compilation. That is by definition the _dirtiest_ play in the game, after all.
Since it was an exhibition game, Fosse should’ve got the hell out of the way and tried a sweep tag.
Man that second clip would be a targeting in college football or a PI and fine and in une NFL 😂
Ty Cobb was infamous for coming into second base spikes up.
Phony stuff was made up about him,research it,the reporter was dirty!
- kicking/legging
- trash talk/conduct
- charging/bumping/nudging/crashing/launching
- throwing/slamming/wrestling
- pushing/shoving/thrusting
- hip checking/butt popping
Playing hard and physical is not too bad. NOW PHYSICALLY FIGHTING SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED AT ANY LEVEL OR AT ANY TIME PERIOD. 😢
Dick Green getting taken out was not a dirty play. It was expected in that era. McRae asked him if he was okay afterwards.
Rose on Fosse in an All-Star game was just ridiculous. Fosse was never the same after that play.
McRae also took Willie Randolph out at second. McRae had to keep running past the base. You call it what you want but it was very dirty.
RIP Ray Fosse
Not gonna lie, never personally seen this clip and I have played some baseball in my time. Definitely looks like there should have been some sort of repercussions for that hit. Some things in sports just slide I suppose
Fosse was already on the downside of his career when this happened. Blaming Rose for a player that's already playing like an old man is just silly.
Looking at the play in this context, what else was Pete gonna do?
Baseball has had 'dirty players' since the very first game. Playing a 'clean game' is the antithesis of the type of game played by Ty Cobb, Albert Bell, A-Rod, Niekro and the famous Pete Rose. Of course, a lot of players from the past and even to the present have the attitude of 'win at any cost' and the fans are right there with that. I think that, short of shooting your opponent, almost anything goes. Going to an MLB and NFL game must be like going to the gladiator games in Rome.
The dives into second are dirty, but it’s far better than putting spikes in knees. I’d rather be speared than have my career ended.
Love the old-school. When baseball players didn't get hurt and men were men
I was expecting a Machado/Utley dual highlight reel.
The fact Pete rose did that in a meaningless asg is beyond messed up.
The Pete Rose play at home was a legitimate play, the catcher was blocking the plate. The others, especially the two take downs at second base, were pretty 💩y. The two take downs at second should have been called as interference and the runner at first called out and any other runners that advanced sent back to their original bag.
I'm with you. I get so sick and tired of these pansy-asses, who never played, saying plays like this are wrong. When a catcher blocks the plate, he does so at his own risk and they DAMN WELL know it. They KNOW the consequences. If you're calling this play dirty, you're nothing but a dumbass.
A rod acting like he was just running and didn’t slap the ball out of his glove
Amazing
0:35 If I'm that second baseman. My next at bat, I'm taking the bat with me and running straight at the "slider".
Today I learned baseball is a contact sport
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Pete rose played harder than the entire last 20 years of the mlb
Shame about the gambling stuff. Quite frankly the fact he only bet on his own teams has never once bothered me. It's one thing to bet against yourself and then throw the game, but betting only on yourself to win? I mean who gives a shit 🙄 dude is all-time and nothing will ever change that... At least until someone breaks his hits record.
@@Mr_Jish I agree with you for the most part but....
Part of the argument about betting on his team to win is that the games he did NOT bet them to win... He may have not managed in the same fashion if he did not have money riding.
@@toddrunyon the only problem with what you say is he bet to win every game
@@Mr_Jish well, it's no different than insider trading. I wonder if it's still ok with you now.
@@billrobertson5895 Gambling on games, even if you are betting on your team to win, leave the gambler open to blackmail if he becomes indebted to bookies. That is why it is against the rules for a player or manager to bet on ANY game. And betting on your team to win one game but not on a second game is the equivalent of betting on your team to lose the second game.
As usual, Machado seems to wear the crown of the dirtiest player in MLB. One day, one day, he will find his Achilles tendon.
Taking out a fielder wasn’t dirty back in the day. It was just the way you played the game . So the majority of these aren’t cheap shots
Why is the Puig play included that wasn't dirty 🤣🤣
That bat throw…
The batter missed his throw. It was suppose to be at the pitcher.
Poor 3rd base man, he didn’t do anything…😢
He should have been ARRESTED for it.
I was at the Machado one. Best game I've ever been to
By dirty we mean for some silly reason perfectly acceptable per the rules at the time?
I love how the same people that call these clips dirty ALSO hate the new home plate and slide rules implimented to fix them
Machado kicking that guy in the ankle was dirty, dirty in 1920, dirty in 2020.
@@ThekiBoran fair enough
The second clip, was that legal?! What would happen if some teams did that in todays baseball? 😅
Yeah it was at the time, the ruling didn’t change until after Chase Utley took out Ruben Tejada in the 2015 NLDS. Now the ruling is the runner has to make an attempt to aim for the plate when sliding to break up a double play
@@Wolf-wc1js and the runner has to be able to reach the bag.
After seeing him twice in this video, I have to say that Hal McRae took the cake for dirty baserunning.
Problem with your assessment is that was legal back when men played baseball
@@montysinnett5622 I see legality and dirtiness as two different issues. Just because a play is legal doesn't make it any less dirty, IMO.
@@10Peter25 well then practically everybody that played the game at that time would disagree. The goal of the runner was to break up the double play and help their team win. Do you have any evidence, at that time, getting injured from such a play?
@nicholastrudeau7581 Then everyone was a dirty baserunner back then. I'm familiar enough with the way baseball was played in Hal McRae's day to know two things. 1. You're exaggerating quite a bit. 2. Hal McRae had the reputation even by the standards of his day of being a dirty baserunner.
It baffles me how assault is a legal play in baseball. You do that to someone on the street and it's jail time.
From my earliest years as a baseball fan in the 70's and 80's I asked how embarrassing examples of runners virtually ignoring the bag and specifically targeting 2nd basemen or shortstops at full speed was in the spirit of baseball, and at no time did I ever hear a reasonable answer other than "that's how it's always been done" or some mumbled blue-collar worship of "scrappy, hard-nosed" players who "do anything for their team" and other assorted bullshit.
Looks like hard ball playing to me.
Somebody needs to take Hal McRae to the woodshed
Belle-Vina,biggest player runs into smallest,not dirty,just reputation!
violence like this....they need to be thrown out
There was a couple dirty plays. The most plays were ligit. Standing in the runners baseline or on the base expect to get leveled. 🤷
I'm sorry what drugs are you on right now? I'd like to buy them because you're fucking hallucinating! If you have the ball, you have the right to BLOCK ANYTHING YOU WANT! Don't like it? Don't watch baseball and get out of these comments.
There's a common thread to many of the dirty players
Manny now plays for bob melvin. Wonder if they talk about it
Missing the Chase Utley dirty slide on Ruben Tejada at 2nd base
That was nothing compared the the Hal McRae plays.
that wasnt dirty. it was a part of the game.
@@devlinjointz4754 you don't create a rule if it was a clean play, utley was a dirty player most of his career and that was an intentionally dirty play with full intent to do harm.
@@brianemerich2524 its a clean play because there was no rule. Utley said his intention was to break up the double play. Which he did. Unless you can read minds you cant argue otherwise.
That was
The two Hal McRae plays were not dirty plays. That's how the game was played back then and the middle infielders understood it.
No million dollar player can play the game far. They have to check.
Missing some Anthony Rizzo plays here.
Gotta love 70s baseball. Was a mans game then.
The 30 years or so between Yankee dynasties (1965 to the early ‘90s) was a great era for baseball. They may have built a lot of ugly ballparks, but great baseball was played, and smaller cities put up some really good teams.
A lot of those were legal at the time not dirty exactly. Though the player swatting the ball out of the pitcher's glove on the way to first was kind of funny.
Machado will eventually learn that karma is not his friend.
A.Rod is the dirtiest MLB player i know
That's pretty cool you know a-rod. What other major leaguers do you know
1:26 - 1:30
The moment the Yankees broke the Curse of the Bambino on the Red Sox after 86 years.
Amazing someone has not cleaned his clock by now! (Machado)
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0:46 I’m confused. Exactly why did he throw the bat? Can someone explain?
He felt as if the pitcher threw at him on the previous pitch.
The Pete Rose one is a joke...Fosse blocks the plate as Rose is getting ready to slide.....Pete Rose made the right move, Fosse made a blunder that cost himself an injury....
Where is Kent Hrbek pulling Ron Gant’s leg on first base?
A Rod play was not even baseball
Umpires ruled correctly
They are multimillionaires they can handle it