Ima be honest if its ok for decks to exist that get to take 20 min turns, its ok for Maxx c and floodgates that counter it to exist to. As a budget player I feel really god dam attacked when they start banning all the stuff to counter these massive long combo decks without dropping the price of said decks. In recent memory all budget decks are hated like Flo, Tenpai and runick. Why is it ok for you to play a 20 min turn set up a bunch of omni negates and indestructible stuff just because you have hundreds of pounds/dollars to throw at a deck but its unfair for me to spend 30-40 pounds/dollars and still be able to play the game?
Because Maxx C in effect is either: a quick play Pot of Greed on crack, or a card that might as well read "Skip your opponent's turn", if they choose to just skip their turn. I agree that the current state of Yugioh as a whole is kind of a mess, but Maxx C only makes it worse. If you think Pot of Greed should stay banned, then I don't know why you would be fine with Maxx C.
You don't need a video to talk about Max C you just need to say "Master Duel" and point to it cause it's not restricted there and what does it do to the game?
Maxx c hampers deck building diversity. Go look at ocg and md decklists. They all run a mandatory 9 card maxx c package. These formats essentially build decks with 31 cards. Here in tcg i have 40 slots to build with.
to be honest i think droll is a better counter then ash blossom. i also think that it isnt entirely accurate that people wouldnt run other staple hand traps if maxx c didnt exist called by the grave crossout and ash blossom would still be staples with ash being a side deck option. so i think that although maxx c is a easy inclusion in a deck recipe its mor of a fact that people who dont use it get dominated and people who do use it have victory often determined by who gains the most advantage off of thiers. it is down to luck in the end not skill i agree but you have to remember its a card game while there is a degree of skill in card games luck will always be a factor. so that on its own is not a deciding argument. the card can be a problem pottentally if it resolves but so can any strong card. maxx c would so much of a problem if so many generic boss omni negates didnt exist because they are the thing that guarentee the resolution of the bug. it should be noted that your deck should be designed in such a way that you can fairly consistantly get the out to the bug and save you drolls for the bug. its not gonna happen all the time but that happens with any strong card. i often find myself often looking at my opponents board and think i have 1 to 3 cards in my deck that out a certain situation. sometimes i get a lucky topdeck other times not so much. the key is consistanct and a willingness to adapt. i play master duel with an unchained deck and i use maxx c as a hand trap bait because the always seem to have the out to it bout those could be used to stop my main combo so makeing them waste one on draws that i didnt need because every card is a starter in unchained is win and on rare ocasions i profit from it which makes for entertaining gameplay that being said i understand both sides of the argument but at least on master duel its not gonna get banned any time soon as they have far more toxic cards that remain unbanned and maxx c is a money maker everybody needs it even if they dont want it. so banning it would go against the profit motive. people dont leave the game because maxx c they leave the game because the game is all about preventing your opponent from playing the game. maxx c is a part of that sure but a really small part sadly its a bag deal in a pool of even bigger deals just my opinion dont slay me in the comments
Fuck Maxx "C". It's the one reason Master Duel might become a failure in the future if Konami doesn't do something about it, especially with S:P Little Knight running around. Is Konami mad? Or is their game a mystery too complex to understand?
I love you man. This is the sentiment we need about that terrible fucking card in MD. I HATE THAT CARD. You're awesome. My survey results were BAN MAXX C
It will never come back to the tcg because TCG players tend to have a reputation for being degenerate, exploitive and abusive. This why OCG land have nice things and we can’t. Look at simorgh bird of sovereignty that card is still unbanned in the OCG but TCG is very much banned. That speaks volumes
That's one way to put it. Japanese OCG Players (which, like it or not, is the main audience of Yu-Gi-Oh ever since the inception) have always been known to that they enjoy to make more moderate and conservative plays than those the TCG players are known for (and the Japanese dislike so much). Of course, the thing Maxx "C" is that it also affect the design for most OCG archetypes. Archetypes that, once they enter the TCG, become so out of control since the card that kept them moderate in power level is gone
@@alpha34098 well said. This is why I no longer play TCG anymore. I play OCG format. Plus OCG cards are more affordable and higher quality than their TCG counterparts
@@Yomi2012 Of course Konami OCG did have some major screwups as well (such as the creation of the Ishizu Cards (which were responsible for the Tear 0 in both formats and cause Tearlaments to get so needlessly butchered in both formats (they deserved hits, yes, but not like this man). Seriously, i really hope the man that designed them got fired) and putting that senseless restriction on Centurion''s Tuners). But Konami TCG has caused so many F**Konamis (such as what they did to SHS which barely started to take off in the TCG, just for Scarecrow getting banned just weeks after DUNE released)
I don’t have a particular problem with Maxx C, the problem is how inherently broken the game is that special summoning is so heavily done and can be broken so easily.
Ocg have 3 maxx c and 2 called Tcg have 3 shifter, 3 droll and only ONE called. sure buddy tcg, tried your format in edopro play once and never look back.
They just need a real maxx c that requires you to control no cards to use. Your opponent should be punished for trying to combo you going first. But your opponent shouldn’t be rewarded for making a board and then using maxx c on their opponents turn
Good news then. We have a new maxx c coming out. It's called multchummy purulia and requires you to control no cards to use it's effect. It lets you draw a card each time you opponent summons from the hand and you are capped for how many cards you keep. It's also random which cards you keep
The game just isn't that exciting. 20 to 30 special summoning. You make a board with 3-4 negates. If your opponent only has 6 cards because they didn't draw a hand trap in their opening 5, it's boring. There's little skill involved at that point. You either have the out and have to navigate negates to get it out, or you lose because you went second. Maxx C should prevent blow outs, or it fizzles because the first turn player uses called by the grave. Maxx C is not some omnipotent, unbeatable card. Ash Blossom itself stops Maxx C. Your argument isn't true. Maxx C might have you play a few more hand traps, but that's about it. Your dislike of it shouldn't make you fear the card. It's not as format warping as you're making it out to be. I don't even play Master Duel and the English version of the game hasn't crashed and burned because Maxx C is legal there as well.
As a going second player, it doesn't matter as all as I kill you before you get to use any of those cards. Hell, sometimes I'll act like I'm going to special summon and discard the special summon(ed) monster. If you guys were playing more outs, you wouldn't need a card that draws your outs. I don't play hand traps because they don't do anything really...
I feel like that many try to justify why Maxx C is needed for the TCG due to many think that it will slow down the powr creep of Yugioh. But reality is, Maxx C is just a format warping card that will make the game go in a much more negative direction than what it already is and the OCG is a clear example of that lol.
@dragonmaster951753 So you're saying you think people don't play 3 Droll and Lock Birds, Nibiru, Ash Blossom, Called By The Graves in every deck in the TCG also?
Dimension Shifter is far too broken since only Psy-Frame Gear Gamma is the only card that can negate it if ur opponent plays it in their first turn. That's only if u have Psy-Frame Gear Gamma in ur hand prior to Dimension Shifter's effect activation. Also Dimension Shifter's effect lasts two turns is OP.
@@dudono1744 Not really, there's decks that can play Shifter that don't care about their GY, and while rare, there ARE ways to take advantage of face-down banishes like Eater of Millions, Nemrelia and Gren Maju.
In the end, nothing new here, it just the same thing from other YugiTuber. . Let's pretending we didn't see the other player accessing cards from deck and ED while the opponent draw a card. This is really unfair, why opponent can draw a card while I only want to use 7 cards from deck and 5 cards from extra deck. About PoG, I don't remember the effect that allow your opponent summon 2 monsters, if you want draw 2. Maybe because I cannot read. . About stopping, I like how someone talking Maxx "C" as Fossil Dyna. Comparing to Droll, this card can literally kill more decks than Maxx "C". You only give Sinful Snake as comparison, a deck that literally created for powercreep the old popular handtraps. . About deck building, try deck with different play style. If you play deck like Lab and still thinking about Anti-Maxx "C". The problem is you. Of course a special summon deck should ready with anti special summon card. The back row deck are the same, they should ready with anti back row deck. That's why some of them love playing Lord of Heavenly Prison in the deck. You can say Lord player because it is good. But don't foeget, even without Maxx "C", Ash is also never bad. Ash only bad when the only good cards need a "Tearlament" in their name. . The only real reason why TCG never unban Maxx C because this card make cheap deck good (back row, non special, etc.) And make expensive deck less valuable (as long as I remember, the "good" expensive deck always special summon a lot)
If I recall they are printing a weaker card with a very similar effect to Maxx C (draw cards), along with a trap with a similar effect to Ash Blossom (negate a search) But both of these cards are far inferior and have way more restrictions, if I recall correctly the Maxx C at home you cannot activate if you control any cards, plus you cannot activate any other cards during the turn so you cannot activate more hand traps if you draw them. The Ash Blossom at home trap card only negates search from deck only and locks you out of... Fire, Dark and Water monsters for the rest of the duel I believe. Honestly Maxx C and Ash have way out lived their welcome, the top decks will always be the ones that can run 20 handtraps and combo off 1 card. I really hope Konami realizes that if people only need to buy 20 cards for the next tier 1 deck, they are losing 20 possible sales.
Multchummy purulia lets you use other hand traps fine. It limits other multchummy monsters and the cards you keep are random Dominus purge (the new ash) does stop you from activating dark, fire, and water monster effects for the rest of the duel only if you resolve it from hand. Looked em up to check
And we're about to get that one Multchummy card, which in fairness is a weaker and more balanced version of Maxx "c". But is a format with weak Maxx "C" better than a format without it?
@@shadowdraqon2479 Just because you didn't draw any Hand Traps doesent mean you can't still break your opponents board. I had plenty of games where I was able to break a board with some in engine and stuff like Kaiju, only to lose anyway because my opponent Maxx C'd me and had enough resources to obliterate me, since I couldn't otk that turn.
I will continue to defend Maxx C as a viable card in the face of the crazy combo decks. Even more so when going against snake eyes, kashtira, tearlaments, horus and the other metas that people love using nowadays. And like you said, it's not always guaranteed to work anyway since everyone magically has at least 3 negates for it the turn you decide to use it 😂
OCG will never ban Maxx C, and by extension, MD. So it will always be up to the TCG to either keep it banned or follow the OCG. Maxx C is toxic, but at the very least, an unbanning would put all the formats on the same page. Due to the difference in ban lists between the OCG and TCG, some decks that don't perform well in the OCG end up unintentionally overpowered, and vise versa.
TCG's banned list is just garbage. They would have to double the amount of cards on the list before we talk about a ban for the counter to degenarte combo play. Wanna know how many cards are on the banned lists of other card games? Magic has like 4 and is way older then Yugi. The power kreep just got so out of hand that we NEEDED a Maxx C, and imo (and Asias opionion) the card is still needed.
I always heard the argument that OCG has a different philosophy when it comes to drawing cards. They rather see an impactful card instead of an Upstart Goblin. That’s why TCG players were playing x3 Upstart Goblins to essentially make their deck 37 cards. Why would you allow your opponent to get a free Doll on you because you activated an Upstart? You rather search a card you need, then get Drolled instead of draw a random card that doesn’t do anything at the moment and get Drolled. They have so many draw one cards in OCG, whereas TCG limited or banned those cards, but almost no one plays them in OCG. Maybe that’s why Maxx C is more acceptable there. There’s another reason but I forgot what it was. Something along the lines of how TCG players feel like they can’t play if Maxx C got dropped on them but OCG players don’t view it like they were stopped from playing. They receive the hand trap differently. I guess TCG players will argue it’s a cup half empty but OCG players view it as a cup half full kind of thing. For those arguing that OCG claims it’s to keep combo decks in check, I don’t think that’s strong argument. As you can see there are always more combo heavy decks in the meta than there are control decks. So you can already see that many OCG players still think it’s worth playing a combo heavy deck with unlimited Maxx Cs running around. Now seeing OCG players argue for it to be banned on social media just means that not all OCG players like the card too. Maybe the majority are ok with it, but there are a minority that don’t like the card.
My argument here is going first is too much of a advantage now so maxx c stops them. Sure they the first turn player can also use maxx c but the 2nd player now has the advantage of attacking
I'm actually of a different opinion. That instead we should see a lot more cards similar to Maxx C for every archetype of and theme. If everyone os powwrful then no is behind sorta scenerio
So, hot take: there are some formats that feel basically impossible to play unless you play the specific best deck. In those formats, if Konami refuses to hit the decks quickly, I'd say Maxx C can be healthy (again, this is in VERY specific formats). That said, we then have to reban the card the second that deck gets hit or it'd be insanely unhealthy. So, due to the fact it's only healthy in very specific timeframes, it's far healthier to just leave the card perma banned to avoid it being kept around past the deck it's helping check (said deck would use it too though). Edit: I do want Maxx C to return one day for 1 format though. Just to deck people out using Dark Worlds.
If your opponent is playing six samurai, they win if u drop maxx c on them, they can special summon infinitely, they can deck u out even if your main deck was 9 trillion cards
If called by goes back to 3 and crossout remains untouched, we already got ash so realistically you probably have a 40 percent chance of actually resolving maxx c.
12 main deck cards dedicated to Maxx c. Not centralizing at all. 🙄 unlike the ocg we don't want every deck looking exactly the same or having the same core all the time. Maxx c requires a core of cards around it and that limits deck building. Which actually makes combo decks stronger. You only need 1 card to full combo in most tier 1 decks now. That means they have space for Maxx c and friends while rogue decks suffer as they need 1.5 or 2 card combos. The meta decks just win harder with Maxx c in the format
I think Maxx C was an answer to what is inherently wrong with the game as a whole. The game is basically OTK or FTK as soon as possible and backed up with negates and interrupts.
I play master duel and the card has plenty of counters. The card is perfectly balanced now. Ashly blossom, cross out, and call by the grave. Plus one could always "Just End Your Turn"
This is such a dumb argument, you are literally just saying draw the out or end your turn without doing anything. And then you’re saying it’s balanced because of its counters which makes it even worse because it is required to run those counters so it limits deck building.
Been away from the game for a while. Cant believe Maxx "C" is banned. It's totally fair to summon 6 omni-negate boss monsters and still have 5 hand traps ready to go but don't you dare allow the opponent to draw a couple cards to help them deal with 5 hand traps and 6 omni-negate on field boss monsters with 2500+ attack stats. That's not fair at all. Fuck the members of the YGO community that cried to get Maxx "C" banned
Everything is a "Combo" deck in the TCG. People at your locals will cry if you try to run a STUN deck. Maxx C is a brick if you don't summon your heart out. That is why TCG is trash I tried it but when back to MD.
So it’s totally fine to make a board when the opponent doesn’t draw maxx C and then maxc c your opponent so they draw you a bunch of handtraps while they try to break your board ? Also, there are no decks putting up more than 2 Omni negates, and even that is rare. Most decks aren’t even ending on a single Omni, especially since baronne and savage are now banned. Clearly you haven’t played in forever.
The ones stop maxx-c is called by grave, crossout designator and ash blossom. You are 3/4 correct 👍🏻. Droll lock bird not only stop searching cards. Does prevent from drawing a card as well. I played YuGiOh Master duel. The only issue. It can effect both players as well. They have to choose a right move for using droll lock bird. I can see maxx-c be back to one. Just experiment. Is really up to Konami.
Nothing wrong with one card causing 9 slots of your deck to be non negotiable? If it was tcg it would be ten cards. 3 max, 3 ash, 3 crossout, one called by. I prefer having 40 slots to build with instead of 30.
@@wardy4903 you mean 23 slots instead of 20. So many decks in the TCG are on close to half hand trap ratios now to make up for the lack of Maxx "C" that they're just using the space to run 3 other things. And the only difference in the OCG is the ratios they're using since they have a chance of drawing into them, so they're on twice as many names to see HOPTs half as often.
No. Please don't give people a 12.5% chance to win the game for free and force everyone to play 40 cards or force us to play 3 ash 3 cross out 1 called by to deal with a one of in the opponents deck and still miss some of the time.
They are meme images posted from many Yu-Gi-Oh digital players who play master duel in their community post. Or searching the images online is also an option.
It is banned here mostly because combo players cried that there was a card that allowed their opponent to draw enough to deal with them and make their own board or slow the game down with floodgates/negates in the backrow. It is not an unpopular opinion that the TCG usually gives preferential treatment to combo players. Maxx C does not shut off special summon. It turns it into a risk/reward system. The drawing into handtrap argument is not a good one. If a deck can special summon enough to deck you out, most hard opt handtraps wont be enough to stop it outside of shifter.
@@MiscGaming08 It doesn't "hurt". It inconveniences at worse or is negligible at best. The only argument for the OCG was the "They have the out more" argument which is the same as "draw/have the out". At the same time, droll turns off maxx c as well as actually ending turns. Note the difference. Maxx C doesn't actually stop you from playing the game. You have a choice to keep playing or not. Cards like Droll and Shifter actually stop/end turns for decks and strategies. Nibiru can undo entire turns against certain decks that can't be meta relevant due to these cards. Hell Ash Blossom still ends turns for people to this day.
@@scott898586 While Maxx "C" does punish Special Summoning in a pretty healthy way (not outright stopping it but gaining more the more your opponent summons), it's way too overtuned nowadays. Maxx "C" is usually at least pot of greed except against stun and you can't just pass turn without summoning if you're playing combo or midrange. The new Purulia is much healthier at doing what Maxx "C" does imo.
This one was a demon in Master Duel, but at first I was like "wait why? don't people usually make only two specials?" Then I realized how much is made on average, it really could have a retrain to allow punishing over summoning but still be balanced
Yeah but ocg Konami still sees it as necessary evil to prevent them get out of hand, which is why they made multchummy purulia assuming they didn't make it in order to replace Maxx c but I can't see thag happening at least until we get more Multchummy cards.
The jellyfish monster will take C's place. And it's good against ABC/XYZ, that bird deck who loves to normal summon a lot, and those who like to summon more from their hand.
@Squiddys: For me in Yugioh master duel I lost more often when my MaxxC resolve, maybe because I only have one of them and I don't count MaxxC lose because of outdeck, and buring your opponent, since I lost more often with MaxxC resolving without does happening, and also because my deck only have one MaxxC so that is probebly why, but if I add two MaxxC I would have to remove two important card for my deck to work properly, so having 3 Maxc would guarantee me a lose if all 3 resolve, and a guarantee lose if they don't resolve.
As a pretty new player I didnt play when Maxx C was legal in the TCG however I do have the pain that is MD to speak for me. Any card that is at its worst a discard that forces your opponent to pass without playing(which isnt bad) or draw your entire deck just because your opponent wants to play is broken. Its either a practical floodgate or a free win 99% of the time. Edit: I say 99% because I'm the one percent that somehow loses when I drop that POS roach.
like thats the thing whenever people compare droll/shifter to maxx c. even tho you can do something like bagooska pass against all 3. under maxx c it would have potentially also have given your opponent 2 draws. as much as the other 2 handtraps usually force you to end on a weak board they at least dont give your opponent addional cards. another thing i hate about maxx c 'keeping combo in check', is that more often than not it would not resolve cause you are at least twice as more likely to open counters. like ignoring the fact that the person going first can also use, maxx c is still a handtrap and personally id rather handtraps especially for the person going second to as much as possible always resolve.
How I'd fix this problem..Master Rule 5. there are 4 main monster zones/Spell/trap zones, still got 2 extra monster zones so the board is smaller and they add a mana system like hearthstone where each turn you get a "gem" or whatever you wanna call it and you can spend those to special summon. Then you can bring Maxx "C" back and a bunch of other cards.
just play harthstone at that point,there is no reason to play yugioh if has a mana system plus it would make some decks completely unplayable since they have to special summon more to have reasonable board like tr-brigade,salamangreat and even orcust,the only decks that would be playable would decks that tribute summon which would just lead to decks designed to be better at tribute summoning leading to decks that tribute as fast as some decks special summon
Imagine complaining about combo decks and wanting a check, but everybody plays combo decks so they complain about the check too
I play Unchained, Maxx C hurts so bad, but that’s the risk and the challenge of playing a deck that special summons for 20 minutes.
I hate when my opponent draws Maxx C and I love it when I draw Maxx C 😂
If Maxx C ever comes back for whatever reason, Im dusting off my floo core and normal summoning Robina
RIP you lmfao
The roach can stay gone.
Ban Dwayne the Rock Johnson too, sick of dealing with that stupid space rock
2 out of the three formats literally embrace Maxx c. Tcg really don't matter.
Ima be honest if its ok for decks to exist that get to take 20 min turns, its ok for Maxx c and floodgates that counter it to exist to. As a budget player I feel really god dam attacked when they start banning all the stuff to counter these massive long combo decks without dropping the price of said decks. In recent memory all budget decks are hated like Flo, Tenpai and runick. Why is it ok for you to play a 20 min turn set up a bunch of omni negates and indestructible stuff just because you have hundreds of pounds/dollars to throw at a deck but its unfair for me to spend 30-40 pounds/dollars and still be able to play the game?
Because Maxx C in effect is either: a quick play Pot of Greed on crack, or a card that might as well read "Skip your opponent's turn", if they choose to just skip their turn. I agree that the current state of Yugioh as a whole is kind of a mess, but Maxx C only makes it worse. If you think Pot of Greed should stay banned, then I don't know why you would be fine with Maxx C.
Not true, instead cards like multchummy are what should be used to counter those. Hopefully they print more like it.
You don't need a video to talk about Max C you just need to say "Master Duel" and point to it cause it's not restricted there and what does it do to the game?
Maxx c hampers deck building diversity. Go look at ocg and md decklists. They all run a mandatory 9 card maxx c package. These formats essentially build decks with 31 cards. Here in tcg i have 40 slots to build with.
pricisely this 👍👍
to be honest i think droll is a better counter then ash blossom. i also think that it isnt entirely accurate that people wouldnt run other staple hand traps if maxx c didnt exist called by the grave crossout and ash blossom would still be staples with ash being a side deck option. so i think that although maxx c is a easy inclusion in a deck recipe its mor of a fact that people who dont use it get dominated and people who do use it have victory often determined by who gains the most advantage off of thiers.
it is down to luck in the end not skill i agree but you have to remember its a card game while there is a degree of skill in card games luck will always be a factor. so that on its own is not a deciding argument.
the card can be a problem pottentally if it resolves but so can any strong card. maxx c would so much of a problem if so many generic boss omni negates didnt exist because they are the thing that guarentee the resolution of the bug.
it should be noted that your deck should be designed in such a way that you can fairly consistantly get the out to the bug and save you drolls for the bug. its not gonna happen all the time but that happens with any strong card. i often find myself often looking at my opponents board and think i have 1 to 3 cards in my deck that out a certain situation. sometimes i get a lucky topdeck other times not so much. the key is consistanct and a willingness to adapt.
i play master duel with an unchained deck and i use maxx c as a hand trap bait because the always seem to have the out to it bout those could be used to stop my main combo so makeing them waste one on draws that i didnt need because every card is a starter in unchained is win and on rare ocasions i profit from it which makes for entertaining gameplay
that being said i understand both sides of the argument but at least on master duel its not gonna get banned any time soon as they have far more toxic cards that remain unbanned and maxx c is a money maker everybody needs it even if they dont want it. so banning it would go against the profit motive. people dont leave the game because maxx c they leave the game because the game is all about preventing your opponent from playing the game. maxx c is a part of that sure but a really small part sadly its a bag deal in a pool of even bigger deals
just my opinion dont slay me in the comments
Fuck Maxx "C". It's the one reason Master Duel might become a failure in the future if Konami doesn't do something about it, especially with S:P Little Knight running around. Is Konami mad? Or is their game a mystery too complex to understand?
I love you man. This is the sentiment we need about that terrible fucking card in MD. I HATE THAT CARD. You're awesome.
My survey results were BAN MAXX C
Am I the only one who believes that when Maxx C came outcit ruined Yugioh forever. And of course, it was a TCG exclusive.
It actually did not ruin yugioh when it came out…..it ruined yugioh once the game caught up to its oppressive power.
Maxx C was a very niche card When It was released. Almost no One played in main deck, and only a bunch of players played It in side decks.
It will never come back to the tcg because TCG players tend to have a reputation for being degenerate, exploitive and abusive. This why OCG land have nice things and we can’t. Look at simorgh bird of sovereignty that card is still unbanned in the OCG but TCG is very much banned. That speaks volumes
That's one way to put it. Japanese OCG Players (which, like it or not, is the main audience of Yu-Gi-Oh ever since the inception) have always been known to that they enjoy to make more moderate and conservative plays than those the TCG players are known for (and the Japanese dislike so much).
Of course, the thing Maxx "C" is that it also affect the design for most OCG archetypes. Archetypes that, once they enter the TCG, become so out of control since the card that kept them moderate in power level is gone
@@alpha34098 well said. This is why I no longer play TCG anymore. I play OCG format. Plus OCG cards are more affordable and higher quality than their TCG counterparts
@@Yomi2012 Of course Konami OCG did have some major screwups as well (such as the creation of the Ishizu Cards (which were responsible for the Tear 0 in both formats and cause Tearlaments to get so needlessly butchered in both formats (they deserved hits, yes, but not like this man). Seriously, i really hope the man that designed them got fired) and putting that senseless restriction on Centurion''s Tuners). But Konami TCG has caused so many F**Konamis (such as what they did to SHS which barely started to take off in the TCG, just for Scarecrow getting banned just weeks after DUNE released)
Max C should be forgotten.
maxx c is unbanned in master duel and the ocg so it can be unbanned the tcg is just cringe xD
I don’t have a particular problem with Maxx C, the problem is how inherently broken the game is that special summoning is so heavily done and can be broken so easily.
Ocg have 3 maxx c and 2 called
Tcg have 3 shifter, 3 droll and only ONE called.
sure buddy tcg, tried your format in edopro play once and never look back.
I like the OCG rules better.
They just need a real maxx c that requires you to control no cards to use. Your opponent should be punished for trying to combo you going first. But your opponent shouldn’t be rewarded for making a board and then using maxx c on their opponents turn
Good news then. We have a new maxx c coming out. It's called multchummy purulia and requires you to control no cards to use it's effect. It lets you draw a card each time you opponent summons from the hand and you are capped for how many cards you keep. It's also random which cards you keep
The game just isn't that exciting. 20 to 30 special summoning. You make a board with 3-4 negates. If your opponent only has 6 cards because they didn't draw a hand trap in their opening 5, it's boring.
There's little skill involved at that point. You either have the out and have to navigate negates to get it out, or you lose because you went second.
Maxx C should prevent blow outs, or it fizzles because the first turn player uses called by the grave. Maxx C is not some omnipotent, unbeatable card. Ash Blossom itself stops Maxx C.
Your argument isn't true. Maxx C might have you play a few more hand traps, but that's about it. Your dislike of it shouldn't make you fear the card. It's not as format warping as you're making it out to be.
I don't even play Master Duel and the English version of the game hasn't crashed and burned because Maxx C is legal there as well.
Top notch editing squiddy you killing it dawg
More of these please
ohhh thanx!! im testing out new different things 😂
As a going second player, it doesn't matter as all as I kill you before you get to use any of those cards.
Hell, sometimes I'll act like I'm going to special summon and discard the special summon(ed) monster.
If you guys were playing more outs, you wouldn't need a card that draws your outs.
I don't play hand traps because they don't do anything really...
Crossout is a dead draw against my deck, literally the only card we're likely to have in common is Impermanence-
Maxx C is 100% ban worthy well done tcg
Ocg players been wanting Maxx C banned for years
I feel like that many try to justify why Maxx C is needed for the TCG due to many think that it will slow down the powr creep of Yugioh. But reality is, Maxx C is just a format warping card that will make the game go in a much more negative direction than what it already is and the OCG is a clear example of that lol.
At least ocg doesn't joke around like tcg🏃
@@Rafael-y8j9d ocg is a joke. combo decks still dominate and you are forced to play a 9 card minigame package which limits deckbuilding
Instead of TCG having lots of annoying combo decks, Snake Eyes is Tier 0 and in OCG it's only Tier 1
@@Rafael-y8j9disn’t the ocg the format that put S:P little knight at 2? Yeah you sure don’t joke around buddy…….
Sp, even though you can carry 2 in ocg format, most of them only carry one, whereas in tcg ash 3, poplar, and snake eyes format 0 www
I think the only reason Maxx C could come back is if we have a unified format between Master Duel/OCG/TCG
Wont happen, just like how north korea and south korea will never unify, at least not in our lifetime
If Maxx C comes back to TCG, I am for sure quitting. No 🧢
Ok bye LOL
What a stupid comment
@@billyidel3030literally haha, like we care?
@@FNigslolThen don't cry to me when your favorite cards get banned. See where that attitude gets you.
100% if it came back konami wouldn't bother to reprint it and everyone would need 3 copies of a $150 card.
Duck maxx c. People auto win with it on master duel
Remember, gamma is a counter to that shitty card, and it's an sr in MD
I like your passion 😅. I play MD and i hate that card
Well…so is lycoris
@@UltracoreUltraUranium i know your feelengs bro.
My argument for Maxx C is everyone already builds their decks as if its still in the format in the TCG anyway.
They don't. You don't have time format your deck to play around the possibility of your opponent drawing 10
@dragonmaster951753 So you're saying you think people don't play 3 Droll and Lock Birds, Nibiru, Ash Blossom, Called By The Graves in every deck in the TCG also?
I would legit quit no questions until it got rebanned
Better quit now with the new one coming that will revive Water because they get to recur it.
@@RavenCloak13 that card is exponentially worse than maxx c
Dimension Shifter is far too broken since only Psy-Frame Gear Gamma is the only card that can negate it if ur opponent plays it in their first turn. That's only if u have Psy-Frame Gear Gamma in ur hand prior to Dimension Shifter's effect activation. Also Dimension Shifter's effect lasts two turns is OP.
Errata Shofter to make it so your cards are banished face-down instead of face-up. Completely wrecks the idea of a Shifter Deck.
@@dudono1744 Not really, there's decks that can play Shifter that don't care about their GY, and while rare, there ARE ways to take advantage of face-down banishes like Eater of Millions, Nemrelia and Gren Maju.
O hate decks that bring stuff back from the banish zone. It makes the banish zone meaningless.
@@chazzitz-wh4ly I don't mind bringing back from banish for stuff like Red Supernova Dragon. It just prevents GY shenanigans.
In other games you get banned for exploiting bugs.
Squiddy trying to bring it back by reasoning with Konami
In the end, nothing new here, it just the same thing from other YugiTuber.
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Let's pretending we didn't see the other player accessing cards from deck and ED while the opponent draw a card. This is really unfair, why opponent can draw a card while I only want to use 7 cards from deck and 5 cards from extra deck. About PoG, I don't remember the effect that allow your opponent summon 2 monsters, if you want draw 2. Maybe because I cannot read.
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About stopping, I like how someone talking Maxx "C" as Fossil Dyna. Comparing to Droll, this card can literally kill more decks than Maxx "C". You only give Sinful Snake as comparison, a deck that literally created for powercreep the old popular handtraps.
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About deck building, try deck with different play style. If you play deck like Lab and still thinking about Anti-Maxx "C". The problem is you. Of course a special summon deck should ready with anti special summon card. The back row deck are the same, they should ready with anti back row deck. That's why some of them love playing Lord of Heavenly Prison in the deck. You can say Lord player because it is good. But don't foeget, even without Maxx "C", Ash is also never bad. Ash only bad when the only good cards need a "Tearlament" in their name.
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The only real reason why TCG never unban Maxx C because this card make cheap deck good (back row, non special, etc.) And make expensive deck less valuable (as long as I remember, the "good" expensive deck always special summon a lot)
I would honestly trade shifter for maxx c. At least maxx c has answers. Shifter is the most no brain auto pilot auto win dog shit card ever created
Let me preface that I don't want it back. That's just how much I can't stand no check dog shit shifter
Disagree, Maxx c is broken against 90% of decks, while shifter can be broken, more often it's just cutting off resources or not doing anything.
@@rafflesiaandfriends shifter shuts off entire hands and invalidates 15 percent of the hand trap pool lol
@@alexanderbatterbee8369 ban both at this point XD i hate shiftar too... .-.
@@Squiddys I don't know how it dodges list after list
If I recall they are printing a weaker card with a very similar effect to Maxx C (draw cards), along with a trap with a similar effect to Ash Blossom (negate a search)
But both of these cards are far inferior and have way more restrictions, if I recall correctly the Maxx C at home you cannot activate if you control any cards, plus you cannot activate any other cards during the turn so you cannot activate more hand traps if you draw them. The Ash Blossom at home trap card only negates search from deck only and locks you out of... Fire, Dark and Water monsters for the rest of the duel I believe.
Honestly Maxx C and Ash have way out lived their welcome, the top decks will always be the ones that can run 20 handtraps and combo off 1 card. I really hope Konami realizes that if people only need to buy 20 cards for the next tier 1 deck, they are losing 20 possible sales.
Multchummy purulia lets you use other hand traps fine. It limits other multchummy monsters and the cards you keep are random
Dominus purge (the new ash) does stop you from activating dark, fire, and water monster effects for the rest of the duel only if you resolve it from hand. Looked em up to check
And we're about to get that one Multchummy card, which in fairness is a weaker and more balanced version of Maxx "c".
But is a format with weak Maxx "C" better than a format without it?
Nothing in all of yugioh feels worse then drawing no hand traps your opponent going full combo and dropping max c
If u didnt draw any handtraps, the opponent goes first and has their combo, they already won, maxx c is irrelevant at that point,
@@shadowdraqon2479 Just because you didn't draw any Hand Traps doesent mean you can't still break your opponents board. I had plenty of games where I was able to break a board with some in engine and stuff like Kaiju, only to lose anyway because my opponent Maxx C'd me and had enough resources to obliterate me, since I couldn't otk that turn.
I will continue to defend Maxx C as a viable card in the face of the crazy combo decks. Even more so when going against snake eyes, kashtira, tearlaments, horus and the other metas that people love using nowadays. And like you said, it's not always guaranteed to work anyway since everyone magically has at least 3 negates for it the turn you decide to use it 😂
I think - Maxx "C" remains unbanned in OCG because the tournaments are best of 1
unfortunately the title had nothing to do with the video :(
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OCG will never ban Maxx C, and by extension, MD. So it will always be up to the TCG to either keep it banned or follow the OCG. Maxx C is toxic, but at the very least, an unbanning would put all the formats on the same page.
Due to the difference in ban lists between the OCG and TCG, some decks that don't perform well in the OCG end up unintentionally overpowered, and vise versa.
TCG's banned list is just garbage.
They would have to double the amount of cards on the list before we talk about a ban for the counter to degenarte combo play.
Wanna know how many cards are on the banned lists of other card games? Magic has like 4 and is way older then Yugi.
The power kreep just got so out of hand that we NEEDED a Maxx C, and imo (and Asias opionion) the card is still needed.
I always heard the argument that OCG has a different philosophy when it comes to drawing cards. They rather see an impactful card instead of an Upstart Goblin. That’s why TCG players were playing x3 Upstart Goblins to essentially make their deck 37 cards. Why would you allow your opponent to get a free Doll on you because you activated an Upstart? You rather search a card you need, then get Drolled instead of draw a random card that doesn’t do anything at the moment and get Drolled. They have so many draw one cards in OCG, whereas TCG limited or banned those cards, but almost no one plays them in OCG. Maybe that’s why Maxx C is more acceptable there.
There’s another reason but I forgot what it was. Something along the lines of how TCG players feel like they can’t play if Maxx C got dropped on them but OCG players don’t view it like they were stopped from playing. They receive the hand trap differently. I guess TCG players will argue it’s a cup half empty but OCG players view it as a cup half full kind of thing.
For those arguing that OCG claims it’s to keep combo decks in check, I don’t think that’s strong argument. As you can see there are always more combo heavy decks in the meta than there are control decks. So you can already see that many OCG players still think it’s worth playing a combo heavy deck with unlimited Maxx Cs running around.
Now seeing OCG players argue for it to be banned on social media just means that not all OCG players like the card too. Maybe the majority are ok with it, but there are a minority that don’t like the card.
My argument here is going first is too much of a advantage now so maxx c stops them. Sure they the first turn player can also use maxx c but the 2nd player now has the advantage of attacking
I'm actually of a different opinion. That instead we should see a lot more cards similar to Maxx C for every archetype of and theme. If everyone os powwrful then no is behind sorta scenerio
My counter argument is that not all decks requires specials summoning to do well. Like, Yosenjus, Monarchs, etc.
I love/hate the card wish it banned in master duel but ilove when my opponent brick maxx c me kill them
Maxx "C" is not just as good going first. Maxx "C" is significantly better going first.
maxx c challange changes everthing nuff said.
So, hot take: there are some formats that feel basically impossible to play unless you play the specific best deck. In those formats, if Konami refuses to hit the decks quickly, I'd say Maxx C can be healthy (again, this is in VERY specific formats).
That said, we then have to reban the card the second that deck gets hit or it'd be insanely unhealthy. So, due to the fact it's only healthy in very specific timeframes, it's far healthier to just leave the card perma banned to avoid it being kept around past the deck it's helping check (said deck would use it too though).
Edit: I do want Maxx C to return one day for 1 format though. Just to deck people out using Dark Worlds.
dark world was the exact deck i had in mind for the deck out part 😂💀💀
@@Squiddys One of my favorite decks
I want a card that makes the opponent discard instead of drawing from a card effect
*looks at the new and better Maxx C coming to make Maxx C look antiqueted*
Baby come back
My opponent special summon more than 50 times in first turn and remove my entire hand with six samurai deck , thanks god we have Maxx C in MD
If your opponent is playing six samurai, they win if u drop maxx c on them, they can special summon infinitely, they can deck u out even if your main deck was 9 trillion cards
It can never be unbanned because people in the tcg like playing solitaire with their 10 min combos
And because people who just finished their ten minute combo can also maxx c their opponent
I love watching my opponent do a 10 minute combo and then during my draw phase they activate Maxx c. A healthy format sure 😌
Great video bro 👍
If called by goes back to 3 and crossout remains untouched, we already got ash so realistically you probably have a 40 percent chance of actually resolving maxx c.
It’s way less than that because there’s games they don’t even draw maxx c
Your math is way off buddy
@@FNigslol then what would you think?
12 main deck cards dedicated to Maxx c. Not centralizing at all. 🙄 unlike the ocg we don't want every deck looking exactly the same or having the same core all the time. Maxx c requires a core of cards around it and that limits deck building. Which actually makes combo decks stronger. You only need 1 card to full combo in most tier 1 decks now. That means they have space for Maxx c and friends while rogue decks suffer as they need 1.5 or 2 card combos. The meta decks just win harder with Maxx c in the format
I think Maxx C was an answer to what is inherently wrong with the game as a whole. The game is basically OTK or FTK as soon as possible and backed up with negates and interrupts.
Hand traps are just stupid
Dude u chet
I play master duel and the card has plenty of counters. The card is perfectly balanced now. Ashly blossom, cross out, and call by the grave. Plus one could always "Just End Your Turn"
You can also set up your board and just have a cheeky card destruction, they try to negate you should be set up enough to negate any hand trap
Also MD Is best of one. So... You have to balance around having zero side deck and no round 2-3.
Oh yes "just end my turn, surely my opponent won't kill me through no interactions." 😊
This is such a dumb argument, you are literally just saying draw the out or end your turn without doing anything. And then you’re saying it’s balanced because of its counters which makes it even worse because it is required to run those counters so it limits deck building.
@@tinypokemon6655 The problem with one match formats. You load your deck now with ways to stop things because there's no game 2-3 and no side deck.
It can come back in a few years along with pot of greed and graceful charity
Been away from the game for a while. Cant believe Maxx "C" is banned.
It's totally fair to summon 6 omni-negate boss monsters and still have 5 hand traps ready to go but don't you dare allow the opponent to draw a couple cards to help them deal with 5 hand traps and 6 omni-negate on field boss monsters with 2500+ attack stats. That's not fair at all. Fuck the members of the YGO community that cried to get Maxx "C" banned
the boards you’re talking about aren’t real, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about lmao
Everything is a "Combo" deck in the TCG. People at your locals will cry if you try to run a STUN deck. Maxx C is a brick if you don't summon your heart out. That is why TCG is trash I tried it but when back to MD.
So it’s totally fine to make a board when the opponent doesn’t draw maxx C and then maxc c your opponent so they draw you a bunch of handtraps while they try to break your board ?
Also, there are no decks putting up more than 2 Omni negates, and even that is rare. Most decks aren’t even ending on a single Omni, especially since baronne and savage are now banned. Clearly you haven’t played in forever.
@@jsahm38fr people are scared of the 5 negate boogeyman board
@@gambitgambleslmao maybe people don't like facing stun because they want to play the game
Hahaha
konami after watching this video: dont mind if we do unban maxx c
Maxx C is absolutely not a counter to itself. What a dumb thing to say
why not? it lets u equalize 😗
Believe in the C
The ones stop maxx-c is called by grave, crossout designator and ash blossom. You are 3/4 correct 👍🏻. Droll lock bird not only stop searching cards. Does prevent from drawing a card as well. I played YuGiOh Master duel. The only issue. It can effect both players as well. They have to choose a right move for using droll lock bird. I can see maxx-c be back to one. Just experiment. Is really up to Konami.
Oh yeah another thing. Called by the grave needs to be semi. If maxx-c does get limited in the possibility for the future.
Nothing wrong with one card causing 9 slots of your deck to be non negotiable? If it was tcg it would be ten cards. 3 max, 3 ash, 3 crossout, one called by. I prefer having 40 slots to build with instead of 30.
@@wardy4903 you mean 23 slots instead of 20. So many decks in the TCG are on close to half hand trap ratios now to make up for the lack of Maxx "C" that they're just using the space to run 3 other things. And the only difference in the OCG is the ratios they're using since they have a chance of drawing into them, so they're on twice as many names to see HOPTs half as often.
No. Please don't give people a 12.5% chance to win the game for free and force everyone to play 40 cards or force us to play 3 ash 3 cross out 1 called by to deal with a one of in the opponents deck and still miss some of the time.
7:35 who ends on arc light ?
Where did you get the Ash blossom pictures? I love the one that she has the raid spray XD
They are meme images posted from many Yu-Gi-Oh digital players who play master duel in their community post. Or searching the images online is also an option.
@@Evixyn what would I have to put on google search to get those images?
yup as evixyn says i found it on google maxx c ash xD
As someone who plays trap Stun decks.
I laugh at Maxx C. Bring back the roach just to grind salt mines on TH-cam and from Twitter warriors
Ok, but ban every floodgate, including stuff that are potentially a lot of negates like Appo/Herald
It is banned here mostly because combo players cried that there was a card that allowed their opponent to draw enough to deal with them and make their own board or slow the game down with floodgates/negates in the backrow. It is not an unpopular opinion that the TCG usually gives preferential treatment to combo players. Maxx C does not shut off special summon. It turns it into a risk/reward system. The drawing into handtrap argument is not a good one. If a deck can special summon enough to deck you out, most hard opt handtraps wont be enough to stop it outside of shifter.
Lol what are you on about. Maxx c hurts almost every deck
There's like 4 decks that don't special summon and only 1 is playable
Also droll and nib stop those decks 99% of the time
@@MiscGaming08 It doesn't "hurt". It inconveniences at worse or is negligible at best. The only argument for the OCG was the "They have the out more" argument which is the same as "draw/have the out". At the same time, droll turns off maxx c as well as actually ending turns. Note the difference. Maxx C doesn't actually stop you from playing the game. You have a choice to keep playing or not. Cards like Droll and Shifter actually stop/end turns for decks and strategies. Nibiru can undo entire turns against certain decks that can't be meta relevant due to these cards. Hell Ash Blossom still ends turns for people to this day.
@@scott898586 While Maxx "C" does punish Special Summoning in a pretty healthy way (not outright stopping it but gaining more the more your opponent summons), it's way too overtuned nowadays. Maxx "C" is usually at least pot of greed except against stun and you can't just pass turn without summoning if you're playing combo or midrange. The new Purulia is much healthier at doing what Maxx "C" does imo.
This one was a demon in Master Duel, but at first I was like "wait why? don't people usually make only two specials?"
Then I realized how much is made on average, it really could have a retrain to allow punishing over summoning but still be balanced
Maxx C is something i called Low Risk High reward.
Makes me extremely glad its gone.
What a stupid comment
The tcg loves combo players.
Ocg is dominated by combo decks
Yeah but ocg Konami still sees it as necessary evil to prevent them get out of hand, which is why they made multchummy purulia assuming they didn't make it in order to replace Maxx c but I can't see thag happening at least until we get more Multchummy cards.
No ocg dominate flodgate@@wardy4903
And tcg hates generic cards
@@Rafael-y8j9d TCG hates pendulum, electrumite still banned
I'm like one of few Master Duel players who outright refused to give This Roach anymore attention then it already has
Maxx C is not coming back any time soon, and now that we're getting the Mulchy bois Maxx C returning is even more of an impossibility.
The jellyfish monster will take C's place.
And it's good against ABC/XYZ, that bird deck who loves to normal summon a lot, and those who like to summon more from their hand.
As someone who’s working on their own game, thank you Konami for showing me how to NOT to design cards.
@Squiddys: For me in Yugioh master duel I lost more often when my MaxxC resolve, maybe because I only have one of them and I don't count MaxxC lose because of outdeck, and buring your opponent, since I lost more often with MaxxC resolving without does happening, and also because my deck only have one MaxxC so that is probebly why, but if I add two MaxxC I would have to remove two important card for my deck to work properly, so having 3 Maxc would guarantee me a lose if all 3 resolve, and a guarantee lose if they don't resolve.
As a pretty new player I didnt play when Maxx C was legal in the TCG however I do have the pain that is MD to speak for me.
Any card that is at its worst a discard that forces your opponent to pass without playing(which isnt bad) or draw your entire deck just because your opponent wants to play is broken.
Its either a practical floodgate or a free win 99% of the time.
Edit: I say 99% because I'm the one percent that somehow loses when I drop that POS roach.
like thats the thing whenever people compare droll/shifter to maxx c.
even tho you can do something like bagooska pass against all 3. under maxx c it would have potentially also have given your opponent 2 draws. as much as the other 2 handtraps usually force you to end on a weak board they at least dont give your opponent addional cards.
another thing i hate about maxx c 'keeping combo in check', is that more often than not it would not resolve cause you are at least twice as more likely to open counters. like ignoring the fact that the person going first can also use, maxx c is still a handtrap and personally id rather handtraps especially for the person going second to as much as possible always resolve.
How I'd fix this problem..Master Rule 5. there are 4 main monster zones/Spell/trap zones, still got 2 extra monster zones so the board is smaller and they add a mana system like hearthstone where each turn you get a "gem" or whatever you wanna call it and you can spend those to special summon. Then you can bring Maxx "C" back and a bunch of other cards.
just play harthstone at that point,there is no reason to play yugioh if has a mana system plus it would make some decks completely unplayable since they have to special summon more to have reasonable board like tr-brigade,salamangreat and even orcust,the only decks that would be playable would decks that tribute summon which would just lead to decks designed to be better at tribute summoning leading to decks that tribute as fast as some decks special summon
I think the issue is that Yugioh does not have a hand size limit
We have, the limit is 7, but discard the surplus is only happen in your own EP.
Bring it back
Maxx "C" should be unlimited, nice video though.
lol no
#banmaxxc (use this as your username in master duel) I'm hoping the bug will be gone eventually