How many of the Leafs Core 4 do you guys want gone? Am not sure if you want 1) Mitch, or 2) JT and Mitch gone? As Matthews is seen as a playoff disappointment at centre - what do you think about the suggestion to move Matthews over to wing, where elite snipers like OV thrive? Matthews generates (as low as 50% lesser) few assists compared only to the top current NHL assist leaders. He is too easy to shut down at centre in the playoffs. 😀 That is unless 69 goals and another first round exit is ok in Toronto. 😀
I disagree about Marner. Tell me that GMs won't line up to take a 95pt player that they only have to pay $750. The cap hit would be an issue for many teams but that's also a PLUS for some teams.
Mitch Marner if he loves living and playing in Toronto so much must change his hockey style in that he has to go into the dirty areas of the ice to battle for the puck like Brendan Gallagher in his younger days. Give a hit and take a hit! If blood is spilt, just wipe it off. What would be the results if Matthews plays LW and Marner plays C?
Marner being traded after july 1st makes a lot of sense. Sign and trade. His salary bonus is paid by the leafs... At this point the Leafs would get a massive haul for marner. if it's a sign and trade with a team like Utah.. You're getting 6th overall + Crouse + Durzi... Or perhaps even something like 6th overall + Logan Cooley... that's the type of return you need for someone as good as Marner.
I agree that he commands a good return and Utah would be a good trade partner, although I'm not sure that he wants to go to Utah. Time will tell what happens.
Toronto needs to do a quick rebuild. You fill the holes with prospects to see what you have in the system. How many guys have we gave up on. Hyman, Verhaeghe, Moore, Marchment , Bunting etc. For nothing. Cap problems go away next year. Only sign guys who will be here for a couple of years. If Marner does not want to sign an extension and we will get nothing in return, could both sides not agree to cancel his contract and he goes UFA July 1. This would give both sides what they want and we can move forward. Marner would be better off to stay on a discount to get 8 years. Lets say 8.9 m. Add in bonuses for team success. 2nd, 3rd and cup round win bonuses. He would be a hero not a guy who just wants money. JT signs a very cheap extension. Now Tre knows how much cap room he has to fill the holes and build a team.
Brad Treliving should tell Marner's camp the winger will not be getting an extension but also that Marner may very well enjoy playing for another NHL team where he won't be getting as much scrutiny from local media as he has with the Leafs for inconsistent playoff performances.
For Leaf Followers and Bruins Fans Playoff hopes - if Mitch gets an extension ($13 Million per year) that is definitely the best option. The good thing for Leafs Fans is that Marner is a regular season success. So likely the Leafs continue to make the playoffs. Making the playoffs and losing in the First Round (7 out of every 8 years with zero playoff runs) is kinda fun and interesting for all fans to watch. 😀 So if Mitch gets extended - isn’t that what we should all continue to expect. At least, Mitch enjoys being treated like a God in Toronto.
Woll would be the 1B and a 1A would be needed and they can split games 50/50. A Jones like 3rd maybe younger Matt Murray, but his conditioning numbers with the Marlies didn't look that great and Hildebeast would be depth. I wouldn't put Woll as the 1A until he can get past getting injured every 15 games.
They will trade Marner which I totally agree with and keep the real problem which is Matthews being a playoff bust - then what's the excuse going to be? Trade them both and get some heart. McDavid is showing everything that Matthews will never be.
When did it become a fait accompli that a right handed defenseman gets paid three times what he deserves??? " He's our 7 or 8 best D.... but he's right handed... give him 8x8 million"
Marner won't be traded as enough people, fans and management alike, will not accept the return or the fact that he a rental. Delusional to think an extention is so very easy for any team trading for him so there should be no problem...
Nothing will change with the current pay structure. They all should be paid 700k/season, and they get bonus money if they go rounds. That way there is an incentive. Otherwise you will have the same group of under performing snowflakes.
Mcdavid when his contract end in 3 yrs he will be 30 yrs old he will sign with the leafs. McDavid and Matthews tandem. We hopefully win a cup. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
The Leafs are going to regret dealing Marner more than any trade they have ever made .why is the fan base driven by drama how many players ,coaches ,front office people have they run out of town ..just get rid of a 100point producer and get who I think Toronto is the last place anyone wants to play becouse of bs ..Mathews next you'll see the core four flourish like Phil Kessel the Leafs are still paying him 2 Stanley cups later its a joke
That's an interesting take. But also shows how unpredictable things are. Stamkos has always been significantly better than JT. Yet at the same time his aged related decline has also been a lot slower than JT's. Just think if Stammer was a 100 slowly dropping down to say an 85. Sure as hell better than JT who was basically 85 to a 60 and soon to be 0. lol what a joke that signing was.
The Leafs see that the Oilers have stretched the Panthers to 7 and very well may win so no changes are needed here. Not realizing their stars are at best Temu versions (oddly more expensive) versions of the Edmonton stars though. 😂😂😂 Like Zach Hyman actually has a higher points per game in the playoffs than Water boy Tavares 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I’m so tired of hearing people say that Marner is the problem. If the Leafs want a cup he’s a big part of the solution. Management has NEVER given these guys a proper QB from the point. Leafs have had the 2nd best goaltender in every single playoff series in the last decade. KEEP Marner, Matthews and Nylander and build around them. Year after year for your best chance at a cup. Use JTs money to bring in a stud QB and sign a goalie who can steal games in the playoffs. Cap is going up. Trade Marner and replace him with ANY of the players available and they are a worse team.
@@davepeach6832 Don’t have to make all the moves in a single year. JT comes off the books next year. The Leafs can decide what to do with Marner next year.
@@user-ce4tk4ko5v That’s what I was getting at. Mitch will be a VILLAIN in the GTA if he pulls any of his sulky pranks. Which has already started. Take the trade Mitchy boy
Is there any possibility of them moving Nylander instead? (I love Nylander btw). It just seems between the two, he's perceived to be the better playoff performer, and he actually has the personality that doesn't make it seem like he's married to any situation. Having Marner around to guarantee we make the playoffs every year has a ton of value in it. Then next year with the 3rd liner JT re-signing for 3rd liner dollars, maybe we can be fighting for a second round play off spot again!
We all know that Mitch is getting extended. As much as I want the heartless 4 gone, YES EVEN Matthews, this joke of a franchise will roll it back again, clogging holes with garbage bin UFA signing. wtf are they doing giving a goalie who has maybe 20 NHL games played a 4 million dollar contract???? You can’t make this crap up.
Mike is simply jealous. He just wants the leafs to be the next Canadian team to win Lord Stanley's cup. They cannot even make it out of round 1 and are on the downside. Very juvenile of mike
Hockey fans can cheer for whatever teams for which they want to cheer. I have chosen to cheer for the Oilers as: - they are a non-Habs Canadian NHL team - the Habs have won more post-1967 Cups than any of the remaining Canadian NHL teams I have grown so tired of how unserious so many Leaf players have taken their jobs that as much as possible from preseason play to the end of the NHL regular season I watch as many games as possible that feature non-Leafs' Canadian teams not playing the Leafs. This NHL season I stayed up late to watch so many games played by any of the Canucks, Flames, Oilers and Winnipeg Jets although also watched plenty of games the Senators had played. Of those expansion Canadian teams the Canucks, Oilers and Jets all qualified for playoff action. This off-season Brad Treliving needs to come closer the copying the approach that his Canucks' counterpart (Patrik Allvin) from last offseason to last March took. These Leafs after all need more of those types of bulky defensemen such has Nikita Zadorov and Chris Tanev but for reasonable per-season cap hits. John Klingberg was not a good puck-moving defenseman.
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How many of the Leafs Core 4 do you guys want gone? Am not sure if you want 1) Mitch, or 2) JT and Mitch gone?
As Matthews is seen as a playoff disappointment at centre - what do you think about the suggestion to move Matthews over to wing, where elite snipers like OV thrive? Matthews generates (as low as 50% lesser) few assists compared only to the top current NHL assist leaders. He is too easy to shut down at centre in the playoffs. 😀 That is unless 69 goals and another first round exit is ok in Toronto. 😀
Marner gets dealt at the draft
Ottawa acquire Ullmark for Korpisalo, 2024 1st Rd pick and Mark Kastelic and Ottawa retain 25% of Korpisalo $4 million.
@@zascorpusa it didn't happen at the draft lol
I disagree about Marner. Tell me that GMs won't line up to take a 95pt player that they only have to pay $750. The cap hit would be an issue for many teams but that's also a PLUS for some teams.
Bang on.
Mitch Marner if he loves living and playing in Toronto so much must change his hockey style in that he has to go into the dirty areas of the ice to battle for the puck like Brendan Gallagher in his younger days. Give a hit and take a hit! If blood is spilt, just wipe it off.
What would be the results if Matthews plays LW and Marner plays C?
Norm, when you say over to you Mike for the last word …. Let the man talk ! Great show boys
Marner being traded after july 1st makes a lot of sense. Sign and trade. His salary bonus is paid by the leafs... At this point the Leafs would get a massive haul for marner. if it's a sign and trade with a team like Utah.. You're getting 6th overall + Crouse + Durzi... Or perhaps even something like 6th overall + Logan Cooley... that's the type of return you need for someone as good as Marner.
I agree that he commands a good return and Utah would be a good trade partner, although I'm not sure that he wants to go to Utah. Time will tell what happens.
Great talk, guys
All the extra money they gave Nylander eats 5 mil off the cap already.
Toronto needs to do a quick rebuild. You fill the holes with prospects to see what you have in the system. How many guys have we gave up on. Hyman, Verhaeghe, Moore, Marchment , Bunting etc. For nothing. Cap problems go away next year. Only sign guys who will be here for a couple of years. If Marner does not want to sign an extension and we will get nothing in return, could both sides not agree to cancel his contract and he goes UFA July 1. This would give both sides what they want and we can move forward. Marner would be better off to stay on a discount to get 8 years. Lets say 8.9 m. Add in bonuses for team success. 2nd, 3rd and cup round win bonuses. He would be a hero not a guy who just wants money. JT signs a very cheap extension. Now Tre knows how much cap room he has to fill the holes and build a team.
Brad Treliving should tell Marner's camp the winger will not be getting an extension but also that Marner may very well enjoy playing for another NHL team where he won't be getting as much scrutiny from local media as he has with the Leafs for inconsistent playoff performances.
For Leaf Followers and Bruins Fans Playoff hopes - if Mitch gets an extension ($13 Million per year) that is definitely the best option. The good thing for Leafs Fans is that Marner is a regular season success. So likely the Leafs continue to make the playoffs.
Making the playoffs and losing in the First Round (7 out of every 8 years with zero playoff runs) is kinda fun and interesting for all fans to watch. 😀 So if Mitch gets extended - isn’t that what we should all continue to expect. At least, Mitch enjoys being treated like a God in Toronto.
Your comedy is gold!
@@scarbourgeoisie It really is just the sad truth. 😀
Loved the episode! Skinner would thrive as a Leaf and , now that's another rumor started!!! Lol
Right?! Hahaha
The Leafs should sign Corey Perry. He would be a good fit for Mich Marner's mom.
The past four teams that went to the Stanley Cup Final with Corey Perry all lost!
A Ceci giveaway to Verhagae would be classic pain for Leaf fans. Too funny Mike.
honestly as a leafs fan, i hate the Panthers and im more than happy to chear for the Oilers to see guys like McDavid, Drai and Hyman win the cup.
For Marner to take a SWEETHEART DEAL there's definitely a full no move clause written in...
Heh Mike ! Bob is so shook up he couldn't even practice 🤣 We are about to witness the greatest choke job in modern sports history 🤣
Woll would be the 1B and a 1A would be needed and they can split games 50/50. A Jones like 3rd maybe younger Matt Murray, but his conditioning numbers with the Marlies didn't look that great and Hildebeast would be depth. I wouldn't put Woll as the 1A until he can get past getting injured every 15 games.
Sign Laurent Broissoit for 3 years at $4 M AAV.
@@WW3_Soon ya a career backup that hasn't played as many games in a single season that Woll played this year
They will trade Marner which I totally agree with and keep the real problem which is Matthews being a playoff bust - then what's the excuse going to be? Trade them both and get some heart. McDavid is showing everything that Matthews will never be.
Morning lads.
You're all too up early for us BC boys we need our sleep on a Sunday.
I think Florida wins it as much as I want a Canadian team I think Florida wins the cup.
I hope the oilers win tomorrow! Bring the cup back to Canada!
When did it become a fait accompli that a right handed defenseman gets paid three times what he deserves??? " He's our 7 or 8 best D.... but he's right handed... give him 8x8 million"
The multiple is probably closer to 1.4x
He's not gonna be expensive at all
Marner`s will start the season 2024 with the Leafs
Marner isn’t going anywhere cmon guys
Sadly, this is likely the truth
In the draft, it will be calm and quiet the leafs are not ready to make a big change
Marner won't be traded as enough people, fans and management alike, will not accept the return or the fact that he a rental. Delusional to think an extention is so very easy for any team trading for him so there should be no problem...
Leafs are not willing to pay Marner 13 Million Dollars a season for 8 years with a No Move.
Ullmark coming to Toronto ???
Theres not 1 credible source that has said marner or tavares are getting moved
Until it comes from his camp or the team, it's all speculation. There's no source that's credible outside of those.
Nothing will change with the current pay structure. They all should be paid 700k/season, and they get bonus money if they go rounds. That way there is an incentive. Otherwise you will have the same group of under performing snowflakes.
We really should keep Marner and get him to sign at a reasonable number. The arguments for getting rid of Marner are flawed.
Mcdavid when his contract end in 3 yrs he will be 30 yrs old he will sign with the leafs. McDavid and Matthews tandem. We hopefully win a cup. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
STILL going with the PANTHERS to WIN
McDavid didn't even come out to accept his Con Smythe trophy he's 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬
Good morning Guy's it's been awhile few Decades 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Leafs are going to regret dealing Marner more than any trade they have ever made .why is the fan base driven by drama how many players ,coaches ,front office people have they run out of town ..just get rid of a 100point producer and get who I think Toronto is the last place anyone wants to play becouse of bs ..Mathews next you'll see the core four flourish like Phil Kessel the Leafs are still paying him 2 Stanley cups later its a joke
They need to stop cheaping out on goalies!
I wish we could get rid of Traverse and sign Stamkos
That's an interesting take. But also shows how unpredictable things are. Stamkos has always been significantly better than JT. Yet at the same time his aged related decline has also been a lot slower than JT's. Just think if Stammer was a 100 slowly dropping down to say an 85. Sure as hell better than JT who was basically 85 to a 60 and soon to be 0. lol what a joke that signing was.
@@baohoaily just from a leadership standpoint its a good move for leafs tavares is one of worst captains in nhl history
The Leafs see that the Oilers have stretched the Panthers to 7 and very well may win so no changes are needed here. Not realizing their stars are at best Temu versions (oddly more expensive) versions of the Edmonton stars though. 😂😂😂
Like Zach Hyman actually has a higher points per game in the playoffs than Water boy Tavares 🎉🎉🎉🎉
The drought continues for Canada last Canadian Team to win a cup Montreal 1993🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Oilers will win the cup 2 times at least with hyman i think 🤔
I’m so tired of hearing people say that Marner is the problem. If the Leafs want a cup he’s a big part of the solution.
Management has NEVER given these guys a proper QB from the point. Leafs have had the 2nd best goaltender in every single playoff series in the last decade.
KEEP Marner, Matthews and Nylander and build around them.
Year after year for your best chance at a cup.
Use JTs money to bring in a stud QB and sign a goalie who can steal games in the playoffs.
Cap is going up.
Trade Marner and replace him with ANY of the players available and they are a worse team.
Stop making sense
JT at that cap hit is basically untradeable unless he is given away (salary dump)
@@davepeach6832 Don’t have to make all the moves in a single year. JT comes off the books next year. The Leafs can decide what to do with Marner next year.
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Ferris has negitiated through Dreger before
Mitch should sit down and have a latte with Larry Murphy…..
yeah he might win a cup
Good one!
Go to another team and become a hall of fame player like Murphy
@@user-ce4tk4ko5v That’s what I was getting at. Mitch will be a VILLAIN in the GTA if he pulls any of his sulky pranks. Which has already started. Take the trade Mitchy boy
mike is not a reporter! He throws out conjecture, then says he has no idea if it is true, but it's all Shanahan's fault!!
Is there any possibility of them moving Nylander instead? (I love Nylander btw). It just seems between the two, he's perceived to be the better playoff performer, and he actually has the personality that doesn't make it seem like he's married to any situation. Having Marner around to guarantee we make the playoffs every year has a ton of value in it. Then next year with the 3rd liner JT re-signing for 3rd liner dollars, maybe we can be fighting for a second round play off spot again!
We all know that Mitch is getting extended. As much as I want the heartless 4 gone, YES EVEN Matthews, this joke of a franchise will roll it back again, clogging holes with garbage bin UFA signing.
wtf are they doing giving a goalie who has maybe 20 NHL games played a 4 million dollar contract???? You can’t make this crap up.
The Oil can suck it.
watch...Leafs will end up with Woll, Samsonov AND Jarry for next season.
tavares has been a failure in toronto one playoff series win in 6 years
He will stand by there not a good team and they when the cup lol
Mike is simply jealous. He just wants the leafs to be the next Canadian team to win Lord Stanley's cup. They cannot even make it out of round 1 and are on the downside. Very juvenile of mike
Hockey fans can cheer for whatever teams for which they want to cheer. I have chosen to cheer for the Oilers as:
- they are a non-Habs Canadian NHL team
- the Habs have won more post-1967 Cups than any of the remaining Canadian NHL teams
I have grown so tired of how unserious so many Leaf players have taken their jobs that as much as possible from preseason play to the end of the NHL regular season I watch as many games as possible that feature non-Leafs' Canadian teams not playing the Leafs. This NHL season I stayed up late to watch so many games played by any of the Canucks, Flames, Oilers and Winnipeg Jets although also watched plenty of games the Senators had played. Of those expansion Canadian teams the Canucks, Oilers and Jets all qualified for playoff action.
This off-season Brad Treliving needs to come closer the copying the approach that his Canucks' counterpart (Patrik Allvin) from last offseason to last March took. These Leafs after all need more of those types of bulky defensemen such has Nikita Zadorov and Chris Tanev but for reasonable per-season cap hits. John Klingberg was not a good puck-moving defenseman.
I hate the Oilers.
Boo Yaka