Siegel on Marner: ‘The entire season it felt like he was kind of done with it’ | OverDrive
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- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs management media availability, do you believe they will make significant changes to the team, a mini Gerry’s Percentages on if there will be change or not and more. The guys are also joined by Maple Leafs writer for the Athletic Jonas Siegel to discuss whether or not the Maple Leafs will make major changes this offseason, Mitch Marner’s future in Toronto, the candidates for the next coach of the Maple Leafs and more from the NHL.
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Yes, change was necessary after Montreal.
1000%
So true, we lost all credibilty after that, we can't even make fun of Montreal fans because they can always throw that right back in our faces...I almost wrote them of.
Never write off Montreal
Marner going to Montreal.
@armandolarade7861
Tbf.
Montreal fans dont make fun of you guys anymore. 2021 was wild and exeptional.. and I truly hoped you guys could go far this year... at this point its not funny anymore...
I miss when both teams were good and we could chirp at each other's differences.
Mitch will not get a dime more in Toronto on his next contract. He should take a cut to about 8 or 8.5. No other team is going to give him 10 million or more. Not a chance. Aho at 9 million is a great comparison and probably the better all round player.
Definitely a team will pay him 10. But I agree if he wants to stay he should take a cut. 100 point Winger that is defensively responsible they don't grow on trees. Need to perform in playoffs though.
Leon in Edmonton is at 8.5…. and he’s absolutely worth more than that, but he’s got a contract that’s sensible to try and win a cup
@@PatDK He's entering the final year of an 8 year contract. It's completely irrelevant. Dude would ask for 13 no doubt if he could resign today.
@@black_squall
I like Marner as a person as he seems like a good guy and does alot with his charity, but perhaps it is time for him to go to another team. It sucks because I would've loved for the Leafs to have success and Marner being a hometown guy being a part of it, but it hasn't worked out and I don't think keeping the same core makes sense anymore.
If he's willing to accept being traded then see what you can get for him with 50% retention and maybe do a sign and trade for that 8th year if the other team is willing. I was previously in the keeping the core together camp, but after so many chances and still not achieving much success I'm in the make some big changes camp now. Move Marner and Rielly and then go from there for next season and then wait until Tavares' contract runs out and then make some more upgrades.
Edmonton doesn't have the market like the leafs do or else leon would make more than baby marner 😢@@PatDK
Two great moments in the last 56 years, '78 and '93. 31 years since Wendel and Gilmour gave us some great moments. Shameful...Press conference today = BS
93 and 94 the Leafs had back to back conference finals appearances. Also between 1998 to 2004 they had a pretty good stretch as well beating the Sens 4-4 in the playoffs and making it to the conference finals in 1998 and 2004.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ YAHOOOOOOO.....
And you only went to the conference final in '93. I use to work at TSN and every year when it came to selling sponsorships, they would highlight the '93 run. What this organization needs is a George McPhee . Brendan Shanahan had zero experience and was referred to Toronto from Gary Bettman? They wanted Gretzky but he didn't want the job. So MLSE and all of their money went to the league and asked for help, so Bettman said hire Shanahan. It's not even Shanahan who's the issue, you have 2 telecom companies that are publicly traded and compete against each other trying to run the same hockey team. The only time they force change is when sponsors say enough is enough, which is so reactive versus being proactive, and who suffers this most? The fans.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ please explain beating the Senaturds 4-4...I don't have a clue what that means. I don't remember them going to the conference finals other than '93. Almost every other team except maybe 3 or 4 has at least made the finals in that 57 year stretch. Horrible...
@@daledemanchuk7920 exactly big whoop ti do...
I agree with Hayes, things should have changed after the Montreal series. When the money comes in, that's all that matters to the suits
The fans hold the keys - the answer is boycott games.
they will never win in ACC after trading a building full of fans for a building full of corporate douchebags . looks good on them lmao
Could be Hayes is wrong too he doesn't play or coach professional hockey he talks on TH-cam and tsn some of his points are valid but to put all the blame for team failures on one player is retarded especially when the 6 players in question have done everything they can for 8 years while the gm and coach didn't do fuck all for 8 years to help said 6 players whi dragged this team out of the bottom to being playoff team for 8 years in a row maybe stop going out and getting ahit ass players who don't do anything other then skating up and down the ice while collecting a very good paycheck and a goalie who has confidence issues all season long because he ant handle the pressure of playing in a number 1 spot in Toronto bad defense and poor goaltending for 8 years has been the Matthew's Marner Era problem not Marner who doesn't like being hit while you got teams like Boston and Florida who if you hit a player you gonna get hurt when you are the top 6 players on a team there should be consequences when you hit them and there hasn't been any consequences paid since Wendal Clark
Wasn't it pretty obvious after the Montreal playoff series?
Thank god for Hayes
Local boy Marner had it great in Toronto and he took it for granted. He didn’t realize that during the regular season, opponents are more occupied with padding their offensive stats than checking him into the boards. That was why he was points producer extraordinaire.
Playoff hockey is a completely different animal where team play is paramount. Marner for some reason detested being bodychecked hard so he avoided the dirty areas. Management with its unlimited resources didn’t hire psychologists to get Mitch to play fearlessly.
All local players have it great in Toronto. Marner isn't the first and he won't be the last.
It's definitely true people don't care as much, and Mitch hates tight checking hockey.
Do ‘gods’ from Toronto in Toronto like hard checking? Guess not.
😂
@@goaliecoachmikesend mitch down the road, yeah, but come on bud. You know good and God damn well that comment was meant as a big compliment to the fan base and market.
Screw Mitch, but don't act like an illiterate nancy about it.
Wrong O Dog. You tell Marner that he’s playing on the 4th line with Reaves as your center next year. 40 points in a contract year!
And no power play
Or pk or a set up guy all year for Matthews I like Domi but let's get real here he is not even close to the player Marner is that would be while Marner has played for 1 team Domi has played for what 7 teams now
No way Shanahan survives in Montreal with 1 playoff series in 10 years.
No chance in hell he does
Outside of the playoffs a few years ago what has Montreal done in 30 years oh ya the same as the leafs not much
It’s 100% the contract with Marner. He could have been a hometown hero, but he chose the other path.
Marner for Saros and a first round
Hahahahahahaha good one !
@@pjpredhomme7699what’s funny?
Hell, I'd be willing to do Marner + a first rounder + something else for Saros. Goaltender is by far the most important position, and it's not even close
Interesting move!
@@AR-wm9lvI'd caution against Saros at his age. 3 years ago, I agree. Right now, who knows.
O-Dog at the beginning talking about how other teams haven’t won either, naming Dallas and Carolina being good for 5 years, etc. Here’s the problem with that take that O doesn’t understand: Those teams go on runs. They make it to Conference and Cup finals. That’s how these teams measure their success, how deep they go. Sure, losing in the first round and losing in the Cup finals is still losing, but it’s a yardstick, the best indicator of how close a team is.
Dog is stupid.
When was the last time the Stars and Hurricanes were in the SCF? Been a while, hasn't it?
They still havent won a thing though. Thats the problem with your take lol
Yippy Kaiyo Kayay! Runs! Ouuuu THAT’S the goal. Let’s get a “runs” banner!
You left out the fact Carolina isn't spending 53% of the cap on 4 players.
Hayes was bang on. He knows what’s up.
No he doesn't, he's a Homer
Said everything I would’ve said!
To answer jonas' original question. Honestly I think what was different is auston and Willy raised their game. And adapted there game to a new level. It became painfully obvious mitch is incapable of that. Therefore too much money is tied up in that player. Time for a change
Willy only elevated his game because of Berttuzi and Domi and Reeves and the fact he was playing for a new contract I'm sure if he shit the bed I the playoffs he would be the scapegoat here like he was for a few years hiw about players like Samsonov Liljegren Gregor Kampf Tj Brodie Mark Giordano Murray Jones What did they do ya they don't make Marner MI ey but when you are one of the best passes in the league you tend to have a target on your back the problem is and always has been poor defense and bad goaltending that doesn't sound like a Marner problem it sounds like a gm and coach problem which we got rid of does that mean Berube and Treliving are the answer maybe not but why blame Marner when there is 21 players on the bench and 14 15 of them didn't contribute time to move in from Kampf Yarnkrok Gregor Liljegren players of that caliber and go get some help no you don't need tough guys that throw punches and nothing else they need a top 4 dman a NHL goalie who stops pucks not these softy goalies who cry to the media about confidence Samsonov Cambell stop going out and getting washed up players like Murray Brodie and Gio as much as I love Gio he was too old when he got here they need defense that will punish you for looking at the goalie and a fourth line you cam trust to put out there and they are not going to cause heart palpitations everyrime there on the ice trading Marner would be the dumbest thing they could do this off season if Domi wants to sign here he should tale the same deal he did a year ago as for Bert he cam go back to Boston he wanted to be there all year long it was very apparent all season long
Hayzie B came with the heat right from the start ...on fire 🔥🔥🔥
The fans are done with Marner. He will be remembered as the Invisible Leaf.
25 points in his last 25 playoff games and a +11. Facts.
I’m new here, it was my first year as a fan of the leafs, so I have no idea what happened years before, but got the just from listening to everyone talk. I find one thing curious in that press conference. It’s not the “everything is on the table” line, it’s the one before it. Where Shanny says “In the past, I believed there was a time where you talk about patience…. However when you see patterns persist and the results don’t change, you have to adjust the way you look at things”
He was the guy who always maintained that the core 4 concept would reign supreme. He’d curb stomp anyone who questioned that. This is his admission to what we’ve all been saying, that what we are doing isn’t working, we can’t wait any longer and hope for it to get better. That wording and the defeated way he is saying it makes me think this is the closest we will get to Shanny saying “I was wrong, it’s not working”. I feel like this might have some hope that change is coming.
I also think that Pelley being there isn’t a random thing either. Pelley is showing the fan base early on that he doesn’t intend to be as hands off as prior management was with the leafs. He’s showing that he’s keenly interested and willing to be involved with the team. Indirectly, he’s telling us that, while not fired, shanahan doesn’t have the free rein that he has had previously. As a new fan, I fully believe that if Shanahan tries to step in a torpedo a market trade like he did with Dubas, Pelley will be more than happy to intervene.
So as I said, I’m new here and haven’t fully embraced the paranoia and scepticism of the leafs nation, but the statement above, the atmosphere of the meeting, and the CEO making an early impromptu appearance tells me something serious may happen this time, not just more of the same
Haha why? Get out while you can
like voting for trudope again?
Cowan, Minten, Webber & Hildeby should have a REAL shot at making the Leafs next season.
O'Neil dude? Are you high? How could you compare the Leafs to Carolina or Dallas? How many playoff rounds have the Leafs won since Shanahan got there compared to Carolina or Dallas? Which other team has been so consistently good in the regular season without being able to win more than FOUR playoff games in one year more than ONCE
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Yes you can Hayes, your the Captain of Leafs Nation
Hayes 100% right
Why don’t they get Mike Keenan or Gerard Gallant?
It's plain simple. MLSE will not take any risks to their overall revenue.
30:54 - THIS NEEDS to be talked about more. We almost unanimously give players props for taking team friendly discounts, but but nobody talks nearly as much about these types of situations, were players demand the full bag, and then don't put up...
PLD is going through this right now, but nobody talks about how much less heat he'd have if he took a team-friendly contract, instead of being paid for 8 years, ON THE ASSUMPTION he'd continue trending upwards... Being paid for production he hasn't actually once reached in his career yet... Nvm production going down...
Thx guys
I'd be pretty pissed if they traded Rielly and kept Mitch. You don't have to love everything about Morgan Rielly to realize that he wasn't even close to the top 5 reasons they lost against Boston or any playoff series. Mitch is at the top here. A non-factor in so many series, not to mention the pouting and whining in Game 4 against Boston or when he flipped the puck over the glass against Montreal and cried. This is not the kind of leadership we want on this team.
I'm all for trying to swing for another P1 defensemen at any cost, but that doesn't mean Rielly has to leave. I think the team is worse with Rielly gone. You get that P1 defensemen for Mitch.
Its the never ending story with Toronto. Jeff O'Neil defends Shanahan being granted his 10th year of his 5 year process to win the cup. He states we're going to need to change players on the ice, while ignoring Shanahan agreed to let the multiple GMs who have come in to sign players worth 45 million in contracts per year to also have no move clauses in their contracts. Toronto fans blame Marner for all the Leafs problem, ignoring that year after year Matthews scores obscene amounts of goals in the regular season only to get single digits of goals in the playoffs, we're talking you can count them on one hand. This team is going to run it back, whether or not they want to and they're going to spend what little money they have after paying our core 4 on more forwards as opposed to lowering our defensive average age to sub 45 or the thing we really need, that being a goaltender. Never forget, we signed Murray to 1 million less than Campbell at the height of Campbell's career for less than 30 games played.
Hayes is the best
Dont think the situation is that bad for the leafs. Mitch would be smart to conduct free agency rn, get the extra year, and hit reset. Mitch with 9 years locked up is a pretty great asset. Playing out the year with injury risk and the fan base being made doesn't seem optimal.
It could be trade deadline when Marner or JT move to another team by trade. Shanna mentioned this.
I agree with Hayes,,i have to see it to believe it,, Toronto not going trade no one,,
The fact is this team finally learnt how to play playoff style hockey the last 3 games of series!! First time ever! Why isn't this talked about??
Can you imagine if Matthews and Nylander and Woll were 100% healthy and available to play. Might have been very different.
Imagine if they had a *coach* who demanded that from the team years ago.
Goaltending was a massive part of that. You can't play properly when you're terrified to allow a shot on goal. Samsonov was a statue. Woll goes in net, and suddenly the team feels comfortable leaving the front of the net, to go battle against the boards
They still couldn’t score - unless they have a D core and goalie that also don’t allow goals, scoring 2 goals a game isn’t going to cut it.
Florida is lighting the same team up that the leafs couldn’t score on
"the Leafs win press conferences" Noodles with a painfully accurate insight there
Tavares has only a year left on his deal. The bulk of it will be paid out on July 1st in the form of a signing bonus. Would it be so costly in terms of cap savings to buy him out? True, there's no trade to be had if that route is adopted, but the potential cap savings might make it worthwhile.
Leafs should start a rehabilitation project for Marner with priorities:
1) Mitch stays to play his heart out for Leaf Fans & not just to be treated like a God in Toronto
2) Mitch back checks all the way back to his net unless Leafs get puck possession
3) Reaves teaches Matthews, Marner and Nylander just how to stand up for themselves
4) Coaches mentor Marner to adjust for playoff officiating like Marchand does😀
5) In playoffs - Matthews doesn’t play centre for Marner
We went through the lost years with Ballard . If the crowds were to quit they would have done it then . They will be fighting over tickets come the season opener . Regardless who is on the ice .
If they can move marner, the other 'stars' become alot less complacent. The organization has to take back the power.
I'd love to see Rielly moved as well as Marner
The Buds are hard pressed to move players with NMC’s,but that isn’t impossible to overcome.A player will not want to stay if he isn’t wanted.But I have to agree with Hayes,until the Buds make moves to the core 4,I’ll believe it when I see it.
Leafs brass are always adept at talking the talk. Let’s see if they’re finally ready to walk the walk. I’m with Hayes - I’ll believe it when I see it.
You'll have an easier chance moving Tavares. He's getting 99% of his money up front as a signing bonus. He'll only make a pittance staying here the whole year. He could actually go to a team who might advance in the playoffs next season versus staying on a team that's floundering. And that way he doesn't have to go through the embarrassment of being stripped of his captaincy.
Find another station for tennis and designate one of your five stations for Overdrive only.
How does Shanahan keep his job? For the last 3-4 years everyone was saying break up the core 4…it doesn’t work! Shanahan was way too stubborn to the point where he didn’t take advantage of being able to move Marner..tied his own hands and now will say their hands are tied!!
At the time most fans thought what they were doing was the correct path and it would have been inconceivable to only get out of rd 1 once. Shanahan leaving will provide what exactly to the organization? You prob weren’t a fan pre-2014 in going to guess …
I am sorry but the problem was coaching not the players. Lesser teams got way more out of their roster because of the coaching they were getting. Team freaking didn’t show up in games that mattered and also against garbage teams. What did the coach do to address that? They went down 3-1 due to poor coaching. I watched the interviews before game 4 and couldn’t believe how casual the team was. Like are you going to take this seriously or not? Keefe let the other team shut down the offense every post season and couldn’t make any adjustments of consequence. PP as well.
Marner was not the freaking problem. The entire team failed every year to score. It was not a one player issue. It was an entire team being poorly coached. Trading Marner won’t change anything for offense in the postseason. He’s #1 on the team for playoff points and played well under a different coach.
Nylander and his -11 last year cost the team last year. Marner mostly plays solid defensively. Put in a real coach and let’s see what happens on offense. You cannot blame one player did you watch the games? Entire team generated nothing.
I think a combination of some new players and re-signing some of our new guys like Domi, Bertuzzi, Edmundson, Lyubushkin, and Dewar. Maybe even Robertson.
Fired up Hayes 🇨🇦😁
Darren Ferris was so bad for Mitch’s PR. Sour indeed. “Took a discount on entry level contract so won’t on RFA deal”. WTF?!
Great points by odog
You can spin things how ever you want, but they're correct, virtually everything is on the table. Treliving is not Dubas, so after observing things for a year, he is likely moving in a different direction vis-à-vis roster construction. He is handcuffed this off-season by no moves, but 2 of the 5 no moves are expiring one year from now. CapFriendly has the projected cap space in 2025 as 51M+. That's when there will be room to make significant changes. This year, assuming he re-ups some of his RFA's at reasonable numbers & one or two prospects (e.g. Cowan, Minten) make the team, he'll have about 11M left to re-sign Domi, find a top 4 RD & a reliable goalie to back up Woll. Good luck, he'll need it.
Im not excusing him but he hurt his ankle late in the season. This had to explain some of Marner's playoffs.
Skating on a healing ankle.
You can't build to win a Stanley Cup. You can only build to be competitive. There are 32 teams all doing the same thing. Freaking out when you get bounced by a good team and loosing your poise will only make it worse. You just have to make sure that you have a competitive team more often then not. That you keep getting into the playoffs, and that if its the same sort of hurdle, you have a coach, manager that can make the subtle changes that need to be made to increase your chances and decrease your opponents chances. Trading productive players for the sake of trading them and sending a message is a very good way to undo all that you have gained to this point. You just need to have appearances, but even in math where two coins are 50% and 50% that in itself does not mean that you will win every 2nd game. You can very easily lose 3 in a row or win 3 in a row.
I have to agree the pressure is many times the order of magnitude of other winning clubs if you are in Toronto. Right now the Ryan O'Neil's see the negetive aspect of this, but the group that wins a cup for this franchise will be monopolizing hockey television for a decade if not two. Those names will be naturally praised an worshiped like gods, just due to how much hockey television is made to appease the greatest hockey market.
As for the coaching, I more than happy to make a coaching change for the leaf's, not everyone understood the moves, even the players were perplexed themselves, and the line shuffling during Anthony Matthews 70 chase looked like it did more to hurt the team than it did to improve it especially considering the confidence of the top 5 going into the playoffs. That is on the coach.
This is the one thing the coach is supposed to know, after 9 years. Of any pundits, he should have the highest foresight of how his moves will pan out much more so than anyone else since he is the one calling the shots and adjustments watching this team daily, yet it often looked like even the coach had no clue. I like him as an organizer, and a person, and I also think he will one day become the coach everyone wished we had today. That said we can improve with coaching no doubt about it, this will not be easy, we can't screw up, we really need to make a very smart coaching selection.
Every team in the NHL is committed to making money, period.
The Mike Singletary speech applies to Marner
They need to run a public marketing campaign to hear what the public has to say. The slogan can be, “If Good isn’t Good Enough, then what will be Good Enough?” They need to promote this campaign all over the city. TTC, Yonge and Dundas Square, Malls, etc Put the people’s opinion to work and listen to what we the fans suggest.
Marner, Reilly + to Nsh for Josi and Saros (Yes they have NMCs but it's worth a shot).
Hayes is the only person that gets it. love Hayes.
Why don’t we figure out who built this team and why it was built that way. And what you’re going to do about that.
I think the Leafs need to adapt the Vegas mindset.
Drop player loyalty, make the hard changes necessary to win a Stanley Cup.
Vegas made a lot of unpopular changes to their roster a few years ago, and it paid off for them.
Hope was there in beginning. 2019 kadri suspension,2020 muzz hurt, 2021 JT hurt, 2022 hot goalie but should have won, 2023 hot goalie no scoring, 2024 injuries no scoring no more excuses.
Awesome stuff 😁✔🇨🇦
Are you mentally ok? Honestly. Seems like you’re having a mental breakdown with all your comments. Go outside and feel the grass.
Players are overpaid for sure. But I don’t think we need to move Marner. We could end up like sens. Key is good goaltending. Last 2 years they started the wrong guy in net. Samsonov gave up the most screened goals in the league and he can’t track the puck. Both goals he gave up in game 7. Woll is the key going forward and we need to add another experienced goaltender even if he is old but bring a guy who is solid. He can be a backup to woll.
Woll is too injury prone.
I have not seen anything about the effect or affect of the car jacking on Marner. I don’t think he has been as dominant since. He has had good stretches but I have wondered about that incident.
I don't buy that. He almost scored 100 points this season, he just disappears in the playoffs.
Leafs failed him. He’s better when he has big boys on his line like he did in London.
Non factor. 100 point pace in season? The problem is coach doesn’t get the most out of Marner or anyone else on the team in postseason. Name one Leaf star that over performed in the playoffs. And please, I’ll laugh if you cite Nylander Mr -11 in 11 games last year. That’s on the coach.
lol yah, that must be it
🚨 BREAKING NEWS 🚨
Marner and Tavares open to negotiations for dropping their NMC.
💩 Alert fake news.
It's quite clear the Leafs are NOT going to resign Marner after this year--Looking at it that way, is it better to keep Marner and (likely) not have Playoff success or move on from in. Yes Marner has a NMC, but it's also a contract year for him. IF he believes he is not going to get his "cookies" this year in TO, he behooves him to move on as he wont be here next year anyway. From the Leafs perspective it almost doesn't matter what you get back--the most valuable thing is the CAP space accrued. Worrying about "losing" the trade is old school thinking--take the savings and replace Marner accordingly..pref someone on D.
He’s going to the caps. Help ovie to 900 quickly then become the new face of the franchise the next 5-10 years and fans will be fine with that and embrace him cause nobody can replace ovie. He may very well assist in goal nr. 895.
who's coming back from WSH?
@@huzaifahdin6804Kuemper, Wilson +
Nonsense
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Sports is the way to look at things today 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸🌐🔥
Boston Pizza's on the table. Marner could've been traded before July 1st last year, but Shanahan did not want to. It's the Leafs own fault they give no move contracts
The amount of people that think Marner would even think about resigning with the leafs is astounding.
Marner has all the cards. The conversation they are having right now is useless.
Until the fans don't boycott games, nothing will change
I am Mats Sundin and I have a NMC that I will not waive
I don't think anyone from the 5 gets moved next season.... the excuse will be ' theres no move that would make us better right now "
28:46 “ok Mitch, you wanna stay on this team, float threw another playoff series and head to free agency? Cool, well, your now last on the list of players to get treatment after the game, even the reserves go before you. You like having your own room on the road? Looks like you’re now bunking with the 3rd string goalie on the road for the foreseeable future. Anything else you wanna say?” -Shanny
The Shanaplan Can !
Guys, it is all about a goalie.....first change!
Poor Princess Marner. I swear a few years ago this guy bulked up and seemed confident. Man needs to hit the fk gym
If there is no progress over the next year for the Leafs. SHANAHAN IS GONE. It's all Shanahans fault
Guys they set the tone.... get with it
Matthew's needs to hit gym too. Too soft in playoffs. Regular season 69 goals fine and dandy, but what you do in playoffs that really counts in the end.
@@renepiri3169 Matthews was sick in game 3 and hurt in game 4 missing 5 and 6. He single handidly won game 2. Consistently led all forwards in hits, blocked shots and take aways. Matthews does not play a soft game. He may not be a bruiser but he's not soft he goes to the corners and dirty areas all the time. Plays all 200 feet of the ice as well. What games you watching?
Saw Sweden beat the US (5-2) with Hedman/EK65 and Dahlin/Brodin in the back end. That is what the Leafs neeeeeed!!!!
Hey guys, I have one question for all of you. Do you all believe that current management has what it really takes to win a Stanley Cup in this city??
At this point, I think we ought to stop pointing fingers at management & hold the guys who step on the ice accountable
This Hayes guy was fed up lol
Guys for the last 10 years. Look what son of hand drafted Matthews he was one first overall are the top five players you will get something pretty good but what they have to show for after that second round is third rounders fourth round and so on zero. Have a nice summer boys
Watching the Leafs manage a pro hockey is like banging your heard against a wall. The always do the EASY thing. Throwing around good money after bad.
Pelley comes in….. and gives Shanahan another shot?. That alone says where LEAFS are going!.
HAYES IS AMAZING !!!!…..
Do you understand the definition of performance base salary?
Do good get paid good.
That is what I think Rookie base salary is for. Start and get paid something. Prove your value and we will pay you.
Thoughts were positive but some feel the team didn't get what they paid for.
I think they won't renegotiate this July 1. Similarly to Nylander in negotiations. We know the Leafs would prefer to keep Marner and Marner wants to stay, the best solution is to skip July 1 negotiations and play with Marner into the next season and see what he can do as a whole. Then negotiate after the next playoffs.
Why? Because this is one last year to make a significant improvement. To remove Marner from the team, how and for who? There isn't anyone out there available. The team needs to depend on their farm team and drafts. The leafs won't find good trades.
dubois
There are plenty of defenceman out there this year that would strengthen our D one hell of a lot.
Read between the lines guys, this core 4/5 thing aint coming back.
Honestly felt like they slept through the press conference. It was pretty clear cut that guys are going.
Vancouver did it. Looked what happened. Sometimes it's the culture and attitude.
There are guys who are still irritated about how the Marner negotiations went the last time. Ferris took Dubas to the shed. If Marner and Nylander had the same contract, leafs have a cup
Buy out Tavares and tell Marner he is out. Give the team a list of ten teams that he would go to. Vegas would work really well.??
I’m at a 5%… 95% all 5 are back next season. Next year will be a write off to let those contracts naturally expire. Is what it is 🤷♂️ fans need to prepare to swallow another 2-3 seasons to get to a competitive team again.
Trade Proposal A) Marner and Reilly for Dobson and Horbvat B) Marner,Reilly Tavares for Malkin & Karlson C) Marner and Reilly for Werenski, Marchenko, Sillinger a 1st and and 2 rounder
One of the reason why Leafs have trouble every year, your seeing good 2 to 3 depth players leave every year. Leafs are to the cap and are force to see good role players walk. Having that much turnover every year on good role players puts a lot stress on the coach staff.
Shanahan took full responsibility for the Leaf’s failure, then proceeded to fire Keefe. ✔️
I don't know if Marner is done with Toronto, but I know for sure, that Toronto is done with Marner! Overpaid, arrogant, entitled underachiever.
Marner told all of us he's a god!! Good thing some of us are Atheists.
If management decides two of the Five are being traded and they have no movement clause then threaten them with sitting in the rafters the entire yr
The problems are deeper than the "core". The team depth is non-existent, goal tending is always second best, and the team doesn't have a number 1 defenceman.
Finally someone with a brain that knows something about hockey. That being said moving Marner will help to add that depth. There's another 10 million on the table if they move on from Brodie and Bertuzzi. Making a few moves like this could drastically alter depth and play off results. Knies should make a significant step forward next year he looked ready in the play offs, a healthy Bobby McMann would have helped as well throw in Minten and Cowan possibly and whatever you get back on the Marner trade this could be a very different team next year. Jarnkrok wasn't 100% either and he adds to that depth in the bottom 6 when healthy. A healthy Pappi and Willy would help as well for a whole series.
Your definitely not going to find h to o many nhl team fans quickly raising their arms saying, I’ll take him, or , we want him !
It’s best to put your head in the sand , and sit on your hands, and demand he stays his full contract on the team he signed with originally, just because the leafs fans want him out , does not mean the other teams want that kind of player. He signed that contract deal, he should honour it now and prove he deserves his leaf money
Pelley was there to show that Shanahan is not the boss anymore. Treliving will have a lot of say, because Shanaplan is dead and Shanahan is a dead man walking. Marner is probably gone because the no trade contract doesn't protect him from hate. I can see Tavares trading his no trade year to re-sign for a lower cap hit extension. That would make him a hero. Bertuzzi won't be back without a paycut. They have to figure out goaltending and a true number one stud defenceman.
D needs a overhaul . At least 3 different faces back there come October. And there better be size and snot on it.
Montour, Pesce and Zadorov would be nice. All free agents this summer
Guys, Rangers fans are/were used to this. What changed for Rangers in '94, bringing in PROVEN winners- Messier and Graves. Guys who wouldn't accept y2y losingin playoffs. The core was almost there with Leetch, Buke, Richter, Alexi but the WINNING desire wasn't. Mess changed that. Toronto accepts losing in playoffs. Leafs need that catalyst guy, and of course, how about a good goalie?
Marner to Chicago for their 1st round pick, 2nd overall and Ryan Donato
Imagine treating someone so poorly for no reason at all that a player no longer wants to be here.
You are delusional.
how are these guys getting worse? thanks for the sound, whats 1 extra key?
are you guys hiring or short of staff? this is krazy
Anyone who thinks keeping Shanny is a good idea is absolutely out of their minds. That being said, as someone who loves seeing the Leafs lose, I support the decision.