Gentlemen, I'm 70 years old, you are voicing the opinion I've had of the Leafs from the time the big three arrived. They do NOT want it bad enough to pay the price, and I'm not even a Leaf fan. I believe Austin did not for a long time as well, but I think he understands now. I'm from a family with 5 boys who played with the Granatos, Bobby Hulls Kids, Chelios, against Gretsky on traveling teams, I lived in Minnesota 16 years and saw all the kids of that era play thru high school, The Brotens, Ramsey, Herb Brooks Minn teams, all thru the 80 Olympics etc, etc, etc. IT comes down to a simple thing, you CANNOT pay guys the huge money till they have proven they will produce when it counts! It was also a foolish, fairytale signing of Tavares when that occured. Crippling mistakes that will haunt. Screw how nice they are, or how much fun they are having. Ya gotta pay the price to win, failing that, you have no chance.
Exactly, the Tavares signing is what led to all the problems. Without Tavares, marner doesn’t demand that money and the team doesn’t artificially take a step forward when they weren’t ready. They could naturally grow but the signing sped up the rebuild. And most likely the other two guys also come in at a discount. Kyle Dubas showed his inexperience but the blame is on Shannahan.
@@Ripking91 Yup, and personally I would not want Marner on my team. He's a crybaby, no guts. The only way he could be remotely effective in the playoffs is if he had two big tough wingers to do all the dirty work, as he will not. Keefe likely could not do so, but I would have healthy scatched him. No real loss, let someone who wants to play do so.
@@williambehles7704 Yup, he's the biggest pussy in the league, short of having a power forward on the wing, and a good 2 way C, one of them being a good shooter. Marner is a playmaker, and nothing more.
Hockey is a business, not a boys club. They're there to win 16 playoff games. This team can't do that. Being a 'great guy' or 'best pals' in the locker room is secondary to what you do on the ice to win. I know a guy with a Grey Cup ring on his finger. That's what forges your fraternity. Not losing.
The ideal agent is Lewis Gross (Nylander's agent), who NEVER negotiated in public, unlike Darren Ferris. Both negotiations for Nylander conducted quietly, and Nylander didn't burn any bridges with the fan base. Steve is right to note the corrosive impact that Ferris's negotiating stance did in terms of affecting his standing with the fan base.
Leafs can always retain some salary, and its one year left on a contract. I am a Habs fan and i can tell you for a fact, Marner will garner a lot of interest around the league, possibly even Montreal. I hope not, but, he would help us with his ppg stats.
@@evandymonI don’t think you’re making the point you want to. If almost every team has asked about him, why is he still in Toronto? Either those teams aren’t offering enough or Marner doesn’t want to leave (which is probably because they aren’t offering enough). Marner doesn’t move without Toronto retaining salary.
I disagree with Adam. At 11 million plus, I don't think teams will be 'Lining up at the door' to sign Mitch. They simply can't afford it. There will be a couple. But that is still a big number. (well, maybe not in Toronto)
To help put things in perspective, MTL biggest AAV ever was Carey Price’s current contract, MTL one of the biggest club in the NHL never paid over 8 mil for a forward, only paid 9 mil+ to a defenseman once (PK Subban) and is still stuck with the 10.5 of Price despite it’s huge value in LTIR shenanigans. Little to no teams will be interested to any contract over 10 without any retention, simply because this is the type of contract that cements a player to a team/city, that AAV number means this is our guy. Just think of what had to be done for Karlsson to move from SJ to Pittsburgh ... and it’s resounding success ...
@@benoitrobitaille5235To help put things in an even better perspective Price played his last game 2 years ago. So the one player they decided to give the big AAV to barely played half his contract.. There's also the fact that no MTL player has scored even 80 points in almost 20 years so who the hell would be getting over 10 mil? So no they aren't cap geniuses they just don't have any high enough quality players
Never claimed that Montreal were geniuses with the cap, in fact i consider them among the worst in that specific department, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak and Armia’s current contracts are all easily bottom 20 contracts in the NHL, but Toronto’s obsession with that core 4 of regular season performer gotta end, Tavares, Marner and Nylander aren’t worth 11m+ each on average. Hell with Tavares and Marner gone Toronto could easily get 4-5 solid players if not more with the cap raise.
Marner to me is a the type of player my coach used to call a “busy player”. A busy player is someone who looks like they’re doing a lot to at least contribute on a positive note but they really are really not doing much to help the team at all. I’ve labeled him as a busy player for years, especially in the playoffs. Even looking at the points he had 2/3 were pretty much irrelevant points and besides that he looked irrelevant out there
Sorry but there are no irrelevant points. Contributing to a goal or scoring a goal is the name of the game for a forward and he does that. A lot. Yall are just looking for a whipping boy because the Leafs are silly
@@walexander8378 yes everyone has lost their minds. Leafs fans would rather have a much worse player who looks like they are doing things and tries hard but has worse results.
"Busy player", I like that! Myself I see them as "Alibi players". Players that underperforms and when critizised gets defended, by others, with things like "But he had an assist on the 1-5 goal", "He had a nice hit", "It wasnt his guy" etc.
Exactly 4 seconds after the Pasternak goal he was done . Shame on the Leafs for giving him franchise money . Shame on Marner for not giving it 100 % .Who would want a guy like this ?
Vegas only had 2 players over 9 million when they won the Cup. The team was much better balanced and that is why they won the Cup. 18 good players is better than 4 great players.
3:46 Damn, kudos for just having that knowledge on hand Steve lol, sure enough I looked it up and yeah, he got the third goal of the game to make it 2-1 Leafs in the 2nd period in game 6 against the Bruins in 2018.
If J Woll played in game 7, the Leafs would had been in round 2. In both game 5 and 6, the Leafs were playing like the Stanley Cup competitors threat. You watch game 7, the Leafs didn't have it because they were too busy making sure Samsonov tended the net. If Samsonov's mask wasn't fallen off his head every 10 minutes, it was the fact he kept dropping his goalie stick.
@toddimus_prime Samsonov allowed 1 goal through 60 minutes of play. That's a terrible take. Meanwhile, Marner has 2 goals in his last 16 playoff games, and pajama boy also has 2 goals in his last 16 playoff games. To try to put any of this on Samsonov is beyond laughable.
Had to check this out. Marner did score in game 6 of the 2018 quarter series. Don't know if he scored after game 4 of any other series but that is impressive.
I think Mitch desperately wants to stay a Leaf, but I would put money on him playing much better in the playoffs on a team with less of a spotlight and a different leadership group around him where he can be guided by experienced veterans without the obligation of being a voice himself.
It's not the spotlight, it's his fear of hard contact that makes him disapear in the playoffs. You can see him move the puck prematurely all over the ice whenever anyone skates in his direction. Unless he grows a pair his playoff disapearing act isn't going anywhere.
Fun fact. Domi's agent is no longer Ferris. He switched to Judd Moldaver, who is Matthews' agent. It may be an added layer on why Domi was never a Leaf until now. Dubas refused to work with Ferris again.
A good buddy of mine who's always a fantastic fighter. Anytime we got into a scrap he would always pull off something super spectacular. Whether it be jumping off a picnic table or throwing someone on top of a car and jumping on the car.... He says whenever you do something spectacular like that people notice. People tend to talk about the fight and how spectacular it was. I feel Mitch Marner does the same. He does these spectacular moves which warrants the name magic Marner or magic Mitch...... They're such spectacular situations that we talk about it you think is this great player. When you get Max Domi to take over his spot and do it just as well with more grit. That definitely gives you a better perspective on what type of player he actually is.
San Jose trades the house for Jumbo Joe a good player, Boston rebuilds. Boston has a cup, Jumbo Joe retired with no Stanley Cups. I think history really speaks for itself here. If JT is willing to resign for 3-6 million on a team friendly deal he should stay to help push your guys' depth. I think behind Willy, Matthews and developing a defensive corps and goaltender is Toronto's best bet at this moment in time.
@@Scoots_McGee even when Tampa let Marty St. Louis walk. At the time I was upset. But we have two cups thanks to that trade. Captain Cally and a bunch of Rangers on the cusp of winning their first with Hank Lunqdvist. Brought their necessary vets with experience to mold and breed Hedman and Stammer’s into world class champions
If Marner stays in Toronto that means that management really doesn’t care about winning. The loser culture starts with Marner and his play. He was invisible in playoffs and didn’t even backcheck on the series ending goal by Pasta. Dubas gave him way too much $$$ and let’s just trade Marner, Matthews and Reilly to Dubas in Pens
I think there should be a metric stat each year for points in the reg season against teams that make the playoffs THAT year. You could go one step further and make a point system by the playoff seeds being worth more. Point being, it tracks points against the higher level teams not just padding your stats against the bottom feeders of the league. If there is one I’ve never seen it
The epitomy of a Leafs player is the constant media and fans proping them up as stars. They're so blown up, paid way too much, and losing again in the playoffs. The team needs to be blown up, this team has not worked.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Marner contract make the Hyman resigning impossible. How many Leafs fans would trade Marner for Hyman straight up? Sad we could have had both had Marner not been overpaid.
I can't wait to hear everyone crying if Mitch Marner does leave for another team. Here's something to think about. Over the past 8 seasons, Marner has lead the team in Assists EVERY season. Marner has lead in points 4/8 seasons. Marner is 10 pts overall short of Matthews overall in the past 8 seasons. Nylander who's played 9 seasons for the leafs has 111 pts less than Marner's 8 seasons. The Leafs would be crazy to let Marner move to another team.
Steve Dangle starting to turn into Sid Seixeiro. It’s just an observation people, don’t shoot the messenger! I like Steve so I hope he heeds this warning. Never go full Sid Seixeiro…..
Ya know, I’m getting fed up. All my social media is exploding with nothing but Marner headlines. It’s frankly getting pathetic. When did Toronto become a hard hat town? I loved Clark, Tie Domi and Roberts but there was always room for Kelly and Keon. Marner is NOT a plugger and to expect him to barrel through opponents is like asking a Cheetah to be a rhino ffs. If the salary structure is out of balance, that’s on management. People are complaining on every word he says. He wants an extension to continue to play in TO. What else do you expect him to say? I, for one would want to get away as far as possible if I were him.
Plan B!!!!...send the whole team to Kittimat for the summer....for logging!!!!everybody comes back a beast!!!! BOOOMM!!! have a great summer....cant wait for next year!!!!
His effort was ther…despite he’s slow, he was working I think as hard as he could…you didn’t really see that with Mitch. He drove the net in that OT game winner by knies Plus everyone new that the last few years of his deal he would be like this.
Has always been a perimeter player! You guys just realized this after 8 years ? I have said this from day one. The accidental contact with Jake Muzzin his reaction ! His tantrum when he felt being screwed over by Lou because of no bonus clauses ! His lack of going MIA AWOL in the playoffs , not willing to play anything close to being physical. Forcing a coach to walk back from a factual comment! Throwing another coach under the bus!! For Marner to stay he is not taking less than Mathews or Nylander. Nylander has changed from playing outside to now driving to the net!!! Once again the 3 of you have switched and flipped your stories! Two players do not have a game that does not translate in playoff! Marner Mathews!!! With one more year left on Marners and Travares contracts the possibility of one or both of saying yes to a trade is 35 65 . Unless Marner has had enough of what he calls being a scape goat negative media he will stay . But a Big But if it fits Marners he just may fool everyone and gladly leave with no quams! Next Morgan Reilly . Morgan Rielly time as the longest tenure Maple Leaf is over! Needs a change of place! Marner has been and is all.about Mitch!! Word to the wise , if he does move on Mitch Marner might want to keep his head on a swivel, have eyes in the back of his helmet, and do not go into any corner or get trapped against the boards! You thought throw your glove off was something? When you leave Toronto all bets will be off permanently
I think the question is if or when they trade Mitch, do they want a top notch defenseman or a top notch goalie? Does that make sense? I'm a Devils fan but live in Ontario so I am also invested in everything Leafs. If the Devils were interested, I would stop the talks as soon as Mercer was mentioned. Is Marner the more talented player of the two? Probably. In the playoffs with the way the game changes, could the same statement be true? I don't think so. I'm not saying that's a possible trade partner but just trying to give some context. If they trade Marner, will they get one or multiple valuable assets in return? Of course they will. No one seems to be mentioning what assets they truly desire that they think will get the team over the hump.
16:20 Real Estate in Seattle is cheaper than Toronto. Really? Renting is way more expensive in Seattle. Buying is comparable but not a huge difference.
always strange how the commentary is that Mitch never performs in the playoffs but he outpoints the golden boy and we just roll with it all across Toronto media. Also great commentary for the playmaker doesn't score. Riveting analysis. For some actual numbers. Matthews scores .65 gpg in the regular season, .41 gpg in the playoffs. Marner .33 gpg in the regular season, .19 gpg in the playoffs. But we're not going to talk about how the best Matthews has ever done in a 7 game series is score 4 goals. Tampa Bay lost in 5 and Stamkos put up 5
Guys .... 4 officials missed the call on the Knies breakaway.....the ref that was right in front of the play called a penalty shot pointing at center ice!!!
it doesnt matter if the fans dont want to see marner out there again. He'll be out there, bc this is the plan theyve made and you cant get out of it now. too bad.
for what marner does he's worth 7.5-8m at most. he doesn't lay big daddy hits, he'snot a defensive savage, he doesn't score big goals. he's a set up man which we saw domi last of of season do the same and have great chemistry with matthews and he gets paid 28% of what marner gets paid.
why the F wasnt Knies used on top PP couldnt even have gave it a shot ???? what was there to loose??? he was arguably thier best player this series and a menace in front and along the boards
Marner will get a lot of interest. Marner plays on the PP, SH and his regular shift. We saw Marner play against Tampa and blocking like 3 or more shots one after the other. Marner's value is certainly there. I can see him do well on another team. We have seen players leave the Leafs and do well elsewhere. Marner is a Professional hockey player. He will waive his NMC and leave on good terms as most players do when they get traded so they don't lose their reputation. I'm surprised Marner's Agent ain't advising him.
Why? The Leafs being treated as gods in Toronto, has been true almost forever. I've heard that since I was a kid. He didn't say anything that most of us haven't heard before. I'm not defending his play, or his struggles in dealing with the media. He has always struck me as a very dumb dude. Great hockey player, but I just can't stand him!
@@Choochill I felt like it sealed the deal because on top of his invisibility in the playoffs, his tendency to play on the perimeter at the best of times, and his inability to drive a line while making 8 figures, the guy exposes himself once again as an arrogant, entitled and tactless manchild. I agree that he's a great hockey player, that's why his time here has been so damn frustrating. Bursts of brilliant plays, glimmers of what he COULD be, and long stretches of plainly depressing hockey. I hope he finds what he needs to excel wherever he ends up.
I bet privately the Core 4 thinks management is nuts. Wonder why depth scoring and toughness has been a problem? Management let Kadri, Hymann and Bunting walk. You'll never get a better deal from trades than you will developing your prospects.
I'm no expert, but I'd like to have him with the habs. We have to much young defensmen, we need more talent up front, and I bet Martin St-Louis could do wonders with him. Don't know if we have the cap space for him though. And I doubt the leafs would just trade Marner to a divisional rival
This is disgusting that Leaf fans are always so quick to blame someone, the fact that they came back from a 3 - 1 deficit & forced a game 7 to a team they hadn't beat all season & lost in over time, shake your heads, they played well, especially with illness with Nylander & Mathews!! Wake up, they played well for a 3 rd place team, I think you need a reality check!!\
lol loser mentality. leafs with the longest cup drought in the league. one playoff series win in 20 years. havent beat boston in the playoffs since 1959. 😂
If the Core 4 returns along with Sheldon Keefe I wonder how sdpn will hype the regular season Leafs. You know the team as structured will put up more than 100 points - Matthews will be over 60 goals, Marner will have over 100 points, Nylander with 40 goals and Tavares a solid 90 points.
honestly i couldn't care less about the leafs thinking they're gonna ship out all these guys on nmc's.. i just want to know wtf happened to matthews and woll?
Right knee for both, watch Mccavoy take Matthews down game 3, and wolls is even worse trying to save that meaningless 0.1 sec goal game 6. I’d guess MCL sprain or slight tear for 34 and woll most likely way more damage
I’m a diehard Bruins fan and just the culture difference between Boston and Toronto is wild. The $ you are paying 4 players who have done nothing is astounding to me. I understand you guys paying Matthews but he and Tavares must make 5-6 million more than Brad Marchand and I’d take Marchand as my Captain 10 outta 10 times. I never see any grit or intensity from them. Matthews is elite but come playoff time he doesn’t have that dog in him like a Marchand. 4 frickin guys eating up a ton of your cap. When Marchand needed a new contract he refused to accept more money than what Patrice Bergeron was making. That’s the kind of guys you want leading your team and building that culture and if you don’t like it you can leave. That’s how you build better teams. I feel as though Bruins fans would hunt Sweeney down if he was paying just 4 players that kind of money, it just defies logic of building a strong team in my opinion. I’m sorry, those guys are damn good players but they are baby 💩 soft. That John Tavares contract….man what an embarrassment. You will NEVER get to where you want to go with him as your Captain. Keep your head up Toronto fans, all is not lost, you guys still have Ryan Reaves for 2 more years. Lets Go Bruins!!!!
I agree the top 4 did not produce but look at the rest of the roster there were lots of zeros. Robertson 6 games no points -2, Holmberg 7 games no points -3, Jarnkrok 7 games no points -2, Kampf 7 games 1 goal -2. Just saying
I'm confused. You call Marner a play-maker then say playmakers hold onto the puck more (than Marner I presume)? He is NOT a playmaker come play-offs. He is too scared to play in the play-offs....period.
Maple Leafs fans gonna be in for a big surprise when they ditch Marner amd still get smacked around in the playoffs. Marner is a point per game + offensive star. And 10 million is a good amount for him. The problem is there are too many players like that on the Leafs. Matthews is just as soft. As is Nylander.
They’re playing for the cup. You play to win the cup. They need to put this in their dressing room cause I think they don’t even realize what they’re playing for other than money for regular season stats
If he hasn't it will be another losing year , you can't have a leader on a team having no commitment in the playoffs .. I don't mean commitment when the floater gets open and gets a play , I mean commitment to follow a goddamn guy into the zone and make sure he doesn't get the puck 4 a wide open shot .. I mean commitment not to cut the corner and go into the corner and fight for the puck instead of cutting the corner and hope the puck comes open further up the boards avoiding any contact .. I mean commitment to stand and fight with a teammate instead of arguing with the referee while your teammate fights two players 5 ft away .. Ryan O'Reilly last year in the Tampa Bay series if you don't know what I'm talking about .. I've never been more disgusted with a hockey player since Claude Lemieux and to have him on my team absolutely kills me .. I don't even watch hockey anymore although I do follow the statistics and standings .. let me correct that I watch Edmonton once in a while now ..
Dubas was the guy that gave him the money in the first place, I have no idea why people want to paint him as the smart one. His fingers are all over they way the team is put together. As for Mitch and JT, I think you need to be careful, players around the league watch how a team treats its players. I am not saying one or the other can not be moved, but sitting them in the box when they are healthy with a working contract to force them to move might not fly. With a year left, you might just have to give them the year to prove they are worth money, and then decide after. This is just what happens in Canadian teams, we wonder why we cant have talent, while we chase it out of town on every team.
One can only hope it's his last game in Toronto and he can take his buddy Keefe with him! WTH is he doing on special teams anyway?!? It's no wonder our goalies are victims and we were 1 for 17 on PPs. Having Marner on a PP negates the man advantage. He is TOO SCARED to play in the play-offs.
It's funny how everyone thinks they know how Mitch feels. Marner may just say f-you and l will walk at the end of next season. WOW ADUM thinks it's happening enough said.
The big difference with the Tavares contract is that John won't be wanting a pay raise next summer. They'll be able to re-sign him for around half. It's also a lot harder of a contract to get rid of this off season.
I just checked CapFriendly. The Leafs have $37 million + coming off the books as of July 1st. The salary cap is going up. I say they make a run for Steve Stamkos & whomever is the best available defenseman on the market (or two).
Mitch is a fun player and I’ll always have a soft spot for him as a hometown and homegrown kid, but something needs to change and he’s the most obvious asset in the core four to be moved. Auston and Willy are extended and more consistent playoff performers and Johnny will run his contract down before making a decision next summer. This team needs to find a dam goalie and a dam top pair dman - we have all been saying this for half a decade if not longer.
Woll has played how many games, and has been injured how many times? Biggest thing with goaltending is reliability, and the only one that showed any reliability this year is Jones 😂
he has most playoff points still of the top 4, best +-, i would like to hear comparisons to other top 4 players.. i think he gots only blamed and others get free pass
It’s not just about points watch the games, he’s a soft turnover machine shoulda been traded years ago. Hard to judge everyone else’s points when half matthews shifts and Pp spent recovering the puck from his turnovers
@@DaaaaaBears almost identical on stats perspective, true im not a leafs fan, and i only sometimes watch leafs games, but i think still he gets all the blame.. why is matthews, nylander so much better? its everyones fault. i think marner is great and i believe if you trade its gonna bite later and hard. you need defence allthough trading marner could maybe fix that.
Well. Looks like peak Leafs fan delusion mist activated!!! On SDPN! Because for Mitch's cap, you could instead have signed, say, according to recent Leaf's attempts, a Klingberg and a Bertuzzi, and a $2M player of your choice. Give or take. Or some similarly useless combination that can be manufactured from real signings that made no difference. When fans get involved and upset about the business and salary side of things, their credibility gets assigned a zero.
As a hockey player, Marner is a wuss. He grew up running circles around other players, always having more speed and finesse than his peers. He gets to the NHL and especially in the playoffs, he is unable to play anything resembling a physical game. We aren't saying this after 1 playoff disappointment... We are saying this after almost a decade of playoff disappointments. The problem is, everybody knows this. What leverage do the Leafs have?
Gentlemen, I'm 70 years old, you are voicing the opinion I've had of the Leafs from the time the big three arrived. They do NOT want it bad enough to pay the price, and I'm not even a Leaf fan. I believe Austin did not for a long time as well, but I think he understands now. I'm from a family with 5 boys who played with the Granatos, Bobby Hulls Kids, Chelios, against Gretsky on traveling teams, I lived in Minnesota 16 years and saw all the kids of that era play thru high school, The Brotens, Ramsey, Herb Brooks Minn teams, all thru the 80 Olympics etc, etc, etc.
IT comes down to a simple thing, you CANNOT pay guys the huge money till they have proven they will produce when it counts! It was also a foolish, fairytale signing of Tavares when that occured. Crippling mistakes that will haunt. Screw how nice they are, or how much fun they are having. Ya gotta pay the price to win, failing that, you have no chance.
Exactly, the Tavares signing is what led to all the problems. Without Tavares, marner doesn’t demand that money and the team doesn’t artificially take a step forward when they weren’t ready. They could naturally grow but the signing sped up the rebuild. And most likely the other two guys also come in at a discount. Kyle Dubas showed his inexperience but the blame is on Shannahan.
@@Ripking91 Yup, and personally I would not want Marner on my team. He's a crybaby, no guts. The only way he could be remotely effective in the playoffs is if he had two big tough wingers to do all the dirty work, as he will not. Keefe likely could not do so, but I would have healthy scatched him. No real loss, let someone who wants to play do so.
@@williambehles7704 Yup, he's the biggest pussy in the league, short of having a power forward on the wing, and a good 2 way C, one of them being a good shooter. Marner is a playmaker, and nothing more.
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Hockey is a business, not a boys club. They're there to win 16 playoff games. This team can't do that. Being a 'great guy' or 'best pals' in the locker room is secondary to what you do on the ice to win. I know a guy with a Grey Cup ring on his finger. That's what forges your fraternity. Not losing.
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@@Foxentails 🤣 Well, I wouldn't be telling them to go out there and have fun.
The Leafs don't have a Kyle Lowry.
The ideal agent is Lewis Gross (Nylander's agent), who NEVER negotiated in public, unlike Darren Ferris. Both negotiations for Nylander conducted quietly, and Nylander didn't burn any bridges with the fan base. Steve is right to note the corrosive impact that Ferris's negotiating stance did in terms of affecting his standing with the fan base.
Michael Nylander pulls the strings when it comes to willie's negotiations.
Teams aren’t willing to pay Marner $11M and Marner isn’t willing to take a salary cut. I think the Leafs have got themselves in a tough situation here
Almost every team in the league has called and asked about a possible deal with mitch...
Leafs can always retain some salary, and its one year left on a contract. I am a Habs fan and i can tell you for a fact, Marner will garner a lot of interest around the league, possibly even Montreal. I hope not, but, he would help us with his ppg stats.
@@jabronirigatoni4648if there's one thing the Habs need, it's more ineffectual weakness.
@@evandymonI don’t think you’re making the point you want to. If almost every team has asked about him, why is he still in Toronto? Either those teams aren’t offering enough or Marner doesn’t want to leave (which is probably because they aren’t offering enough). Marner doesn’t move without Toronto retaining salary.
He's a 100 point player every season
Toronto will be able to easily trade him
I disagree with Adam. At 11 million plus, I don't think teams will be 'Lining up at the door' to sign Mitch. They simply can't afford it. There will be a couple. But that is still a big number. (well, maybe not in Toronto)
To help put things in perspective, MTL biggest AAV ever was Carey Price’s current contract, MTL one of the biggest club in the NHL never paid over 8 mil for a forward, only paid 9 mil+ to a defenseman once (PK Subban) and is still stuck with the 10.5 of Price despite it’s huge value in LTIR shenanigans.
Little to no teams will be interested to any contract over 10 without any retention, simply because this is the type of contract that cements a player to a team/city, that AAV number means this is our guy.
Just think of what had to be done for Karlsson to move from SJ to Pittsburgh ... and it’s resounding success ...
Chicago can afford it, might be worth to have him around Bedard.
@@benoitrobitaille5235To help put things in an even better perspective Price played his last game 2 years ago. So the one player they decided to give the big AAV to barely played half his contract..
There's also the fact that no MTL player has scored even 80 points in almost 20 years so who the hell would be getting over 10 mil?
So no they aren't cap geniuses they just don't have any high enough quality players
In any trade scenario the other team in the trade will have to trade a good contract player back.
Never claimed that Montreal were geniuses with the cap, in fact i consider them among the worst in that specific department, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak and Armia’s current contracts are all easily bottom 20 contracts in the NHL, but Toronto’s obsession with that core 4 of regular season performer gotta end, Tavares, Marner and Nylander aren’t worth 11m+ each on average.
Hell with Tavares and Marner gone Toronto could easily get 4-5 solid players if not more with the cap raise.
Marner to me is a the type of player my coach used to call a “busy player”. A busy player is someone who looks like they’re doing a lot to at least contribute on a positive note but they really are really not doing much to help the team at all. I’ve labeled him as a busy player for years, especially in the playoffs. Even looking at the points he had 2/3 were pretty much irrelevant points and besides that he looked irrelevant out there
My team called them "all skate, no shot"
We didn't want them on our team.
Sorry but there are no irrelevant points. Contributing to a goal or scoring a goal is the name of the game for a forward and he does that. A lot.
Yall are just looking for a whipping boy because the Leafs are silly
@@walexander8378 yes everyone has lost their minds. Leafs fans would rather have a much worse player who looks like they are doing things and tries hard but has worse results.
"Busy player", I like that! Myself I see them as "Alibi players". Players that underperforms and when critizised gets defended, by others, with things like "But he had an assist on the 1-5 goal", "He had a nice hit", "It wasnt his guy" etc.
@@walexander8378 alright so if I score a goal when my team is down 7-1 in the third period, is that not an irrelevant point?
It's easy to understand why Marner wasn't training all summer. He was still looking for that lost Range Rover.
Lost or stolen?
Exactly 4 seconds after the Pasternak goal he was done . Shame on the Leafs for giving him franchise money . Shame on Marner for not giving it 100 % .Who would want a guy like this ?
Vegas only had 2 players over 9 million when they won the Cup. The team was much better balanced and that is why they won the Cup. 18 good players is better than 4 great players.
3:46 Damn, kudos for just having that knowledge on hand Steve lol, sure enough I looked it up and yeah, he got the third goal of the game to make it 2-1 Leafs in the 2nd period in game 6 against the Bruins in 2018.
The only goal I remember Mariners scoring in the playoffs was about 10 seconds into the start of the entire tournament and he was on his belly
"The Real Estate in his head is dirt cheap". LMFAO!
If Mitch Marner and John Tavares were worth their contract the Leafs would be in round 2
If J Woll played in game 7, the Leafs would had been in round 2. In both game 5 and 6, the Leafs were playing like the Stanley Cup competitors threat. You watch game 7, the Leafs didn't have it because they were too busy making sure Samsonov tended the net. If Samsonov's mask wasn't fallen off his head every 10 minutes, it was the fact he kept dropping his goalie stick.
@toddimus_prime Samsonov allowed 1 goal through 60 minutes of play. That's a terrible take. Meanwhile, Marner has 2 goals in his last 16 playoff games, and pajama boy also has 2 goals in his last 16 playoff games. To try to put any of this on Samsonov is beyond laughable.
Had to check this out. Marner did score in game 6 of the 2018 quarter series. Don't know if he scored after game 4 of any other series but that is impressive.
I think Mitch desperately wants to stay a Leaf, but I would put money on him playing much better in the playoffs on a team with less of a spotlight and a different leadership group around him where he can be guided by experienced veterans without the obligation of being a voice himself.
It's not the spotlight, it's his fear of hard contact that makes him disapear in the playoffs. You can see him move the puck prematurely all over the ice whenever anyone skates in his direction. Unless he grows a pair his playoff disapearing act isn't going anywhere.
@@craigharrison5406 perfectly said.
Nope. Marner is a woke liberal spoiled brat creep.
@@craigharrison5406same goes for Matthews and Nylander.
@@mikeleblanc8323 Oh Ok I thought the subject was Mitch Marner though. Oh yup it says Mitch Marner in the title of the video.
Fun fact. Domi's agent is no longer Ferris. He switched to Judd Moldaver, who is Matthews' agent.
It may be an added layer on why Domi was never a Leaf until now. Dubas refused to work with Ferris again.
Marner to Seattle just for the Marner/Mariners memes ⚾
A good buddy of mine who's always a fantastic fighter. Anytime we got into a scrap he would always pull off something super spectacular. Whether it be jumping off a picnic table or throwing someone on top of a car and jumping on the car.... He says whenever you do something spectacular like that people notice. People tend to talk about the fight and how spectacular it was. I feel Mitch Marner does the same. He does these spectacular moves which warrants the name magic Marner or magic Mitch...... They're such spectacular situations that we talk about it you think is this great player. When you get Max Domi to take over his spot and do it just as well with more grit. That definitely gives you a better perspective on what type of player he actually is.
San Jose trades the house for Jumbo Joe a good player, Boston rebuilds. Boston has a cup, Jumbo Joe retired with no Stanley Cups. I think history really speaks for itself here. If JT is willing to resign for 3-6 million on a team friendly deal he should stay to help push your guys' depth. I think behind Willy, Matthews and developing a defensive corps and goaltender is Toronto's best bet at this moment in time.
That trade turned Boston into a competitive team for 20 years and counting
@@Scoots_McGee even when Tampa let Marty St. Louis walk. At the time I was upset. But we have two cups thanks to that trade. Captain Cally and a bunch of Rangers on the cusp of winning their first with Hank Lunqdvist. Brought their necessary vets with experience to mold and breed Hedman and Stammer’s into world class champions
If Marner stays in Toronto that means that management really doesn’t care about winning. The loser culture starts with Marner and his play. He was invisible in playoffs and didn’t even backcheck on the series ending goal by Pasta. Dubas gave him way too much $$$ and let’s just trade Marner, Matthews and Reilly to Dubas in Pens
11:00 I love this version of Dangle. His tone is eerily similar to Kypreos, the mannerisms too.
Hey the Leafs signed him. I blame management.
I think there should be a metric stat each year for points in the reg season against teams that make the playoffs THAT year. You could go one step further and make a point system by the playoff seeds being worth more. Point being, it tracks points against the higher level teams not just padding your stats against the bottom feeders of the league.
If there is one I’ve never seen it
Get Nick Robertson to gain 20lbs of muscle this summer... no training camps send him up to Kittimatt as a chokerman....He'll come back a beast!!!!
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The epitomy of a Leafs player is the constant media and fans proping them up as stars. They're so blown up, paid way too much, and losing again in the playoffs. The team needs to be blown up, this team has not worked.
When you think of an entitled spoiled rich kid what do think his name would be? Mitchell…lol. Right?
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Marner contract make the Hyman resigning impossible. How many Leafs fans would trade Marner for Hyman straight up? Sad we could have had both had Marner not been overpaid.
Not only the Marner one but, yeah, we could have kept Hyman if they didn’t hand out these ridiculous contracts to everyone!!!
2:40 you said "He will be asking for a raise" Where does that come from? What if they offer less for more term then the ball is in his court.
Do you seriously think Marner would take a pay cut???? Haha. No. He won’t.
@@pajamatime5750 It's amazing how you think I am interested in your intelligent posting ability.
I’ll eat my shoe on camera if Marner actually gets traded this summer.
I can't wait to hear everyone crying if Mitch Marner does leave for another team. Here's something to think about. Over the past 8 seasons, Marner has lead the team in Assists EVERY season. Marner has lead in points 4/8 seasons. Marner is 10 pts overall short of Matthews overall in the past 8 seasons. Nylander who's played 9 seasons for the leafs has 111 pts less than Marner's 8 seasons. The Leafs would be crazy to let Marner move to another team.
I agree. They were stupid signing Nylander like they did and should’ve completely broken up the core4 and brought in a goalie….
Steve Dangle starting to turn into Sid Seixeiro. It’s just an observation people, don’t shoot the messenger! I like Steve so I hope he heeds this warning. Never go full Sid Seixeiro…..
Sid has been correct about the leafs every step of the way
@@KyleMacSkill anyone who’s not in the Leafs cult has been correct every step of the way
@KyleMacSkill he's also been wrong about everything else including wrong leaf takes too
@mojiece2.0 other sports and teams maybe can't think of any leafs takes he's been wrong about
@@KyleMacSkill you must be new then
Ya know, I’m getting fed up. All my social media is exploding with nothing but Marner headlines. It’s frankly getting pathetic. When did Toronto become a hard hat town? I loved Clark, Tie Domi and Roberts but there was always room for Kelly and Keon. Marner is NOT a plugger and to expect him to barrel through opponents is like asking a Cheetah to be a rhino ffs. If the salary structure is out of balance, that’s on management. People are complaining on every word he says. He wants an extension to continue to play in TO. What else do you expect him to say? I, for one would want to get away as far as possible if I were him.
Get draft pics and prospects! And cap space! Long term win!!!
Plan B!!!!...send the whole team to Kittimat for the summer....for logging!!!!everybody comes back a beast!!!! BOOOMM!!! have a great summer....cant wait for next year!!!!
How does Tavares catch no heat for this team’s failures?
His effort was ther…despite he’s slow, he was working I think as hard as he could…you didn’t really see that with Mitch.
He drove the net in that OT game winner by knies
Plus everyone new that the last few years of his deal he would be like this.
Mocking the elderly is punching down.
I think it’s cause a lot of people think he’ll be gone after next year anyway. I would be shocked if he gets a contract extension
Also his great face off percentage for the most part.
Because expectations are very low for him the last 2 years of his deal. We all knew it would be bad.
Has always been a perimeter player! You guys just realized this after 8 years ? I have said this from day one.
The accidental contact with Jake Muzzin his reaction !
His tantrum when he felt being screwed over by Lou because of no bonus clauses !
His lack of going MIA AWOL in the playoffs , not willing to play anything close to being physical.
Forcing a coach to walk back from a factual comment!
Throwing another coach under the bus!!
For Marner to stay he is not taking less than Mathews or Nylander.
Nylander has changed from playing outside to now driving to the net!!!
Once again the 3 of you have switched and flipped your stories!
Two players do not have a game that does not translate in playoff!
Marner Mathews!!!
With one more year left on Marners and Travares contracts the possibility of one or both of saying yes to a trade is 35 65 .
Unless Marner has had enough of what he calls being a scape goat negative media he will stay . But a Big But if it fits Marners he just may fool everyone and gladly leave with no quams!
Next Morgan Reilly .
Morgan Rielly time as the longest tenure Maple Leaf is over!
Needs a change of place!
Marner has been and is all.about Mitch!!
Word to the wise , if he does move on Mitch Marner might want to keep his head on a swivel, have eyes in the back of his helmet, and do not go into any corner or get trapped against the boards!
You thought throw your glove off was something? When you leave Toronto all bets will be off permanently
I think the question is if or when they trade Mitch, do they want a top notch defenseman or a top notch goalie? Does that make sense? I'm a Devils fan but live in Ontario so I am also invested in everything Leafs. If the Devils were interested, I would stop the talks as soon as Mercer was mentioned. Is Marner the more talented player of the two? Probably. In the playoffs with the way the game changes, could the same statement be true? I don't think so. I'm not saying that's a possible trade partner but just trying to give some context. If they trade Marner, will they get one or multiple valuable assets in return? Of course they will. No one seems to be mentioning what assets they truly desire that they think will get the team over the hump.
Game 1 vs Boston 2019 2 goals that penalty shot I’ll remember forever lol
16:20 Real Estate in Seattle is cheaper than Toronto. Really? Renting is way more expensive in Seattle. Buying is comparable but not a huge difference.
For 10 mil. You better be great 90 percent of the time.not just every now and then.
Jones would have been the guy in net for game 7......when everyone found out Samsonov wad playing....he can't make that save that you really need
always strange how the commentary is that Mitch never performs in the playoffs but he outpoints the golden boy and we just roll with it all across Toronto media. Also great commentary for the playmaker doesn't score. Riveting analysis. For some actual numbers. Matthews scores .65 gpg in the regular season, .41 gpg in the playoffs. Marner .33 gpg in the regular season, .19 gpg in the playoffs. But we're not going to talk about how the best Matthews has ever done in a 7 game series is score 4 goals. Tampa Bay lost in 5 and Stamkos put up 5
Watch a game. Marner sucks on the playoffs.
"The real estate in his head is dirt cheap." That's gold.
Guys .... 4 officials missed the call on the Knies breakaway.....the ref that was right in front of the play called a penalty shot pointing at center ice!!!
it doesnt matter if the fans dont want to see marner out there again. He'll be out there, bc this is the plan theyve made and you cant get out of it now. too bad.
for what marner does he's worth 7.5-8m at most. he doesn't lay big daddy hits, he'snot a defensive savage, he doesn't score big goals. he's a set up man which we saw domi last of of season do the same and have great chemistry with matthews and he gets paid 28% of what marner gets paid.
What’s matthews done ?
NHL MVP !!!!!
I am in search of a Toronto Make Ya Laughs shirts again, I hade one in the 90s , are they still around?
You can get T-shirt’s made at any mall, with whatever you want on them…maybe get off your 90’s coach and go outside you troll 😂
why the F wasnt Knies used on top PP couldnt even have gave it a shot ???? what was there to loose??? he was arguably thier best player this series and a menace in front and along the boards
Marner will get a lot of interest. Marner plays on the PP, SH and his regular shift. We saw Marner play against Tampa and blocking like 3 or more shots one after the other. Marner's value is certainly there. I can see him do well on another team. We have seen players leave the Leafs and do well elsewhere. Marner is a Professional hockey player. He will waive his NMC and leave on good terms as most players do when they get traded so they don't lose their reputation. I'm surprised Marner's Agent ain't advising him.
If it wasn't certain after consecutive playoff performances, yesterday's "gods" comment sealed the deal.
Why? The Leafs being treated as gods in Toronto, has been true almost forever. I've heard that since I was a kid. He didn't say anything that most of us haven't heard before. I'm not defending his play, or his struggles in dealing with the media. He has always struck me as a very dumb dude. Great hockey player, but I just can't stand him!
@@Choochill I felt like it sealed the deal because on top of his invisibility in the playoffs, his tendency to play on the perimeter at the best of times, and his inability to drive a line while making 8 figures, the guy exposes himself once again as an arrogant, entitled and tactless manchild.
I agree that he's a great hockey player, that's why his time here has been so damn frustrating. Bursts of brilliant plays, glimmers of what he COULD be, and long stretches of plainly depressing hockey. I hope he finds what he needs to excel wherever he ends up.
I bet privately the Core 4 thinks management is nuts. Wonder why depth scoring and toughness has been a problem? Management let Kadri, Hymann and Bunting walk. You'll never get a better deal from trades than you will developing your prospects.
I'm no expert, but I'd like to have him with the habs. We have to much young defensmen, we need more talent up front, and I bet Martin St-Louis could do wonders with him. Don't know if we have the cap space for him though. And I doubt the leafs would just trade Marner to a divisional rival
This is disgusting that Leaf fans are always so quick to blame someone, the fact that they came back from a 3 - 1 deficit & forced a game 7 to a team they hadn't beat all season & lost in over time, shake your heads, they played well, especially with illness with Nylander & Mathews!! Wake up, they played well for a 3 rd place team, I think you need a reality check!!\
This core will never win. This is a factual statement based on years of observable proof and evidence.
lol loser mentality. leafs with the longest cup drought in the league. one playoff series win in 20 years. havent beat boston in the playoffs since 1959. 😂
I feel I will have a hard time selling my Marner jersey now.
If the Core 4 returns along with Sheldon Keefe I wonder how sdpn will hype the regular season Leafs. You know the team as structured will put up more than 100 points - Matthews will be over 60 goals, Marner will have over 100 points, Nylander with 40 goals and Tavares a solid 90 points.
Wanna talk playoffs.
2023/24 Playoffs -> Matthews: 1goal, 3 assists = 4pts... Marner: 1goal, 2 assists = 3pts... Nylander: 3 goals, 0 assists = 3pts.
2022/23 Playoffs -> Marner: 3goals, 11 assists = 14pts... Rielly: 4 goals, 8 assists = 12pts... Matthews: 5 goals, 6 assists = 11pts... Nylander: 4 goals, 6 assists = 10pts.
2021/22 Playoffs -> Matthews: 4 goals, 5 assists = 9pts... Marner: 2 goals, 6 assists = 8pts... Nylander: 3 goals, 4 assists = 7pts.
honestly i couldn't care less about the leafs thinking they're gonna ship out all these guys on nmc's..
i just want to know wtf happened to matthews and woll?
Right knee for both, watch Mccavoy take Matthews down game 3, and wolls is even worse trying to save that meaningless 0.1 sec goal game 6. I’d guess MCL sprain or slight tear for 34 and woll most likely way more damage
Get rid of all the floaters and get Easton and the other kid that's out west on the team for skill and speed....
I’m a diehard Bruins fan and just the culture difference between Boston and Toronto is wild. The $ you are paying 4 players who have done nothing is astounding to me. I understand you guys paying Matthews but he and Tavares must make 5-6 million more than Brad Marchand and I’d take Marchand as my Captain 10 outta 10 times. I never see any grit or intensity from them. Matthews is elite but come playoff time he doesn’t have that dog in him like a Marchand. 4 frickin guys eating up a ton of your cap. When Marchand needed a new contract he refused to accept more money than what Patrice Bergeron was making. That’s the kind of guys you want leading your team and building that culture and if you don’t like it you can leave. That’s how you build better teams. I feel as though Bruins fans would hunt Sweeney down if he was paying just 4 players that kind of money, it just defies logic of building a strong team in my opinion. I’m sorry, those guys are damn good players but they are baby 💩 soft. That John Tavares contract….man what an embarrassment. You will NEVER get to where you want to go with him as your Captain. Keep your head up Toronto fans, all is not lost, you guys still have Ryan Reaves for 2 more years. Lets Go Bruins!!!!
I agree the top 4 did not produce but look at the rest of the roster there were lots of zeros. Robertson 6 games no points -2, Holmberg 7 games no points -3, Jarnkrok 7 games no points -2, Kampf 7 games 1 goal -2. Just saying
Just saying what? You're saying a whole lot of nothing when trying to compare people who get paid 1/4 of the people we're talking about.
You guys are great.
Would you trade Marner to Utah for Crouse and Durzi?
Or, would you trade him to Vegas for Theodore + ?
What about Mathews? All this complaining about Marner and he has a better points per game career playoffs?
Marner is not looked at as a goal scorer. He's a playmaker. Playmakers hold onto the puck more.
I'm confused. You call Marner a play-maker then say playmakers hold onto the puck more (than Marner I presume)? He is NOT a playmaker come play-offs. He is too scared to play in the play-offs....period.
@@shug2795 emotional narrative.
Lol'd @ "Utah is a corner?" so ya got at least 1, Steve
Holy blank how do we rag on marner for producing in regular season and not playoffs.. how about Mathew’s????
Maple Leafs fans gonna be in for a big surprise when they ditch Marner amd still get smacked around in the playoffs. Marner is a point per game + offensive star. And 10 million is a good amount for him. The problem is there are too many players like that on the Leafs. Matthews is just as soft. As is Nylander.
They’re playing for the cup. You play to win the cup. They need to put this in their dressing room cause I think they don’t even realize what they’re playing for other than money for regular season stats
When did dubas say he wanted to trade marner?
In my dreams, the foundation for all leaf fans, I’d love to see a deal worked out with Marner for Byfield in LA. Just a dream I know. lol
Trade him for PLD.
@@waltconklin882I know you’re kidding but if you’re not I’m worried for you!
@@pajamatime5750 Lol, yep, just kidding.
If he hasn't it will be another losing year , you can't have a leader on a team having no commitment in the playoffs .. I don't mean commitment when the floater gets open and gets a play , I mean commitment to follow a goddamn guy into the zone and make sure he doesn't get the puck 4 a wide open shot .. I mean commitment not to cut the corner and go into the corner and fight for the puck instead of cutting the corner and hope the puck comes open further up the boards avoiding any contact .. I mean commitment to stand and fight with a teammate instead of arguing with the referee while your teammate fights two players 5 ft away .. Ryan O'Reilly last year in the Tampa Bay series if you don't know what I'm talking about .. I've never been more disgusted with a hockey player since Claude Lemieux and to have him on my team absolutely kills me .. I don't even watch hockey anymore although I do follow the statistics and standings .. let me correct that I watch Edmonton once in a while now ..
Captain invisible in the corner
To Big Softie back to Wimpy Kid at the line... giveaway...
Everybody saying if sammy played like Bob or Vasileski....he can't get over it
Dubas was the guy that gave him the money in the first place, I have no idea why people want to paint him as the smart one. His fingers are all over they way the team is put together. As for Mitch and JT, I think you need to be careful, players around the league watch how a team treats its players. I am not saying one or the other can not be moved, but sitting them in the box when they are healthy with a working contract to force them to move might not fly. With a year left, you might just have to give them the year to prove they are worth money, and then decide after. This is just what happens in Canadian teams, we wonder why we cant have talent, while we chase it out of town on every team.
One can only hope it's his last game in Toronto and he can take his buddy Keefe with him! WTH is he doing on special teams anyway?!? It's no wonder our goalies are victims and we were 1 for 17 on PPs. Having Marner on a PP negates the man advantage. He is TOO SCARED to play in the play-offs.
marner scores a hat rick in the first week of next season and the fans are going crazy. Remember this in October.
One mic is significantly louder than the others. Compression missing.
It's funny how everyone thinks they know how Mitch feels. Marner may just say f-you and l will walk at the end of next season. WOW ADUM thinks it's happening enough said.
How about that albatross Tavares contract???
The big difference with the Tavares contract is that John won't be wanting a pay raise next summer. They'll be able to re-sign him for around half. It's also a lot harder of a contract to get rid of this off season.
I just checked CapFriendly. The Leafs have $37 million + coming off the books as of July 1st. The salary cap is going up. I say they make a run for Steve Stamkos & whomever is the best available defenseman on the market (or two).
Some contracts work out well for both parties. Some don't.
Mitch is a fun player and I’ll always have a soft spot for him as a hometown and homegrown kid, but something needs to change and he’s the most obvious asset in the core four to be moved. Auston and Willy are extended and more consistent playoff performers and Johnny will run his contract down before making a decision next summer.
This team needs to find a dam goalie and a dam top pair dman - we have all been saying this for half a decade if not longer.
They keep saying it's just business...well why would you expect any player to take a discount...omg.
Charlie McAvoy is not an NHL defenseman...he's from the MMA
Marner's agent is a genius $$, you really think he's gone this summer no way. His agent goes right to the end.
i tell you mitch needs 25 lbs of muscles and a big set of balls
He can probably put on the mass, but unfortunately I do not think he can grow the cajones
Next year go with Wall/Hildebeast all the way and make sure you play Reevo every game so he's playoff ready for next year
Woll has played how many games, and has been injured how many times? Biggest thing with goaltending is reliability, and the only one that showed any reliability this year is Jones 😂
Literally watched some old LFRs and Steve says that he has been their best player all playoffs lol
he has most playoff points still of the top 4, best +-, i would like to hear comparisons to other top 4 players.. i think he gots only blamed and others get free pass
It’s not just about points watch the games, he’s a soft turnover machine shoulda been traded years ago. Hard to judge everyone else’s points when half matthews shifts and Pp spent recovering the puck from his turnovers
@@DaaaaaBears almost identical on stats perspective, true im not a leafs fan, and i only sometimes watch leafs games, but i think still he gets all the blame.. why is matthews, nylander so much better? its everyones fault. i think marner is great and i believe if you trade its gonna bite later and hard. you need defence allthough trading marner could maybe fix that.
I'd build around Nylander and trade anyone else who doesn't take a friendly deal - then load up on local talent boys who want the cup in TO.
Players are paid for their regular season performance. During the regular season Marner excels. You’re wrong to say Marner is stealing money.
Well. Looks like peak Leafs fan delusion mist activated!!! On SDPN!
Because for Mitch's cap, you could instead have signed, say, according to recent Leaf's attempts, a Klingberg and a Bertuzzi, and a $2M player of your choice. Give or take. Or some similarly useless combination that can be manufactured from real signings that made no difference.
When fans get involved and upset about the business and salary side of things, their credibility gets assigned a zero.
Imagine the leafs trade Marner and he goes on to lead his new team to several cups. It would be the most leafs moment ever
it's what will happen because they've convinced themselves mitch is the problem. no one is even questioning the narrative anymore
The meltdown in Toronto media is more entertaining than the team itself.
Na imagine Mitch as a bruin💀
The Maple Leafs are the dumbest organization in the NHL. How many times have they signed a disappointing player for huge money.
As a hockey player, Marner is a wuss. He grew up running circles around other players, always having more speed and finesse than his peers. He gets to the NHL and especially in the playoffs, he is unable to play anything resembling a physical game. We aren't saying this after 1 playoff disappointment... We are saying this after almost a decade of playoff disappointments.
The problem is, everybody knows this. What leverage do the Leafs have?
Marner is not clutch. Gets most of his apples when it does not matter.
He would be perfect for a team that struggles to make the playoffs. Looking at you, Sabres!
They had Eichel and decided to trade him. Who knows, if they had kept him, they might have made the playoffs this year as well as last year.
@@junioruncle4378 Eichel needed a new environment. And they guys they got back have been good fits.
@@vipeholmskolan6052 Yes, another player who needed "another environment" was O'Reilly. Can you imagine Tage Thompson and Eichel together?
@@vipeholmskolan6052- Eichel and the Sabres couldn’t agree on what procedure was best to fix his back. They were at an impasse.
The "core four". Worthless if you care to do anything but play regular season hockey. No heart, no drive, no courage, no nuthin', as they say!!