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I'm sorry. I'm late.. can i ask your.. *shrug* i mean to ask. Does height matter. And your relation to it. King, i realize you are over 6 foot, like all of us. But say the queen is 5'10 and concubine is 5'8..both under 170 lbs. does the height matter?
I don't want any electric vehicles for distance i want to drive and carry as much fuel as possible on a truck or jeep or suv. And if you aren't getting the views on the bikes.. know this. Zero motorcycle is single handedly fucking up the market because they arent cheap, have shitty DRM and put Tesla to shame. In all honesty its the ESG garbage that want to chain people to NOT traveling anywhere.. To be clear, all E-Vehicles *MUST* have a reliable *SELF CHARGING SOLAR CANOPY* to be even remotely viable to consider. Otherwise fossil fuel is still the best option. (Edit a solar canopy must be *at worst* shaped like a big umbrella deployable from the vehicle itself. It should be covered with solar panels and charge while riding, ensure there is zero "phone app" software and cellphone, gps, and bluetooth completely optional.)
I've been riding a Sur Ron some 2 yrs by now and rode 6000+ km already. The only upgrade I did was a 58 sprocket. That's all. If I'm to spend $2000 for other improvements then I'd rather buy a new KTM or something. What I'm trying to say is that I like Sur Ron the way it is besides I keep it in my apartment and I don't think I'd like to keep a KTM next to my bed). Tnx for the review.
You’re an incredible rider! I really enjoyed watching this. I recently ordered one and never road something like it before or many bikes for that matter. No matter what I’m hyped and hopefully in the future I can do stuff like you do! You make it look fun af.
That was an awesome review. Thank you for being as unbiased as possible. As an owner of a 2021 Sur Ron X Black Edition, I was wondering about how the Talaria compares. I've invested close to $5,000. in upgrades to my Sur Ron so far, and the fact that I am only 5'4" convinced me to keep what I got. Besides, iIt's about as much as I can handle. LOL.
@Ted Kanemitsu Right on! You've got a great bike in the Sur Ron! It's definitely easy to spent $5K on these bikes. So many cool aftermarket parts to pick from! Glad you're enjoying it and thanks for the note 👍
I knew you were an MX guy as soon as you mentioned the Motul slacker! Been racing myself for almost 40 years. Really considering one of these E-bikes this next year. Great vid my man!
I think the Talaria is the better choice for most people over 5'8. You'd save money of height mods and chain drive swap alone. Most of the functional mods for the Sur Ron are also already compatible or quickly becoming available for the Talaria (suspension, sprockets, controllers, batteries, etc). I went with the Talaria because I felt it was a better structural platform.
@Carlitos R You bring up some great points. The size of the Talaria straight away is a huge benefit. As you say, plenty of bolt-on options to upgrade the Talaria too and many power/battery upgrades coming soon.
@@philkyburz5882 Yeah, I think so. Just get some riser bars and maybe a lifted direct mount stem. There are also seat risers available, should you feel you need one.
Just came across your video and noticed you mention GoPro camera shutting off unexpectedly. I recently noticed that too on my cameras, however there's a quick fix for it. I think by default, it's set to shut off automatically in 15 minutes. In the menu there is an option to turn that off to "Never". Hope that helps. It's very frustrating if you didn't know that option exist but it does.
I have almost 700 miles on my Talaria and i absolutely love it. Ive rode a Surron and i prefer the feel of my talaria. Cant wait for more aftermarket parts to become available. Only thing ive done so far to it is put the H03C pads on the rear. Other than that its box stock. Probably will do bars, pegs, and hopefully a upgraded kickstand if they come up with one
I have wanted a sur ron for a while. Then I seen the sting. bought it. I LOVE it!! Stock gearing SUCKS for anyone over 150 lbs.(off road). In full riding gear i am around 200 lbs. I run a 56 rear and it is a whole new world!! All off road I should say. It wheelies sooo good now. Stock is almost a chore to wheelie. And it still goes over 40mph. Never tested stock vs 56. It feels way faster though. AND more battery life. I have 500 miles on mine now. Great bike for bigger or taller people. Still a small bike.
Love your Videos man!! you ride these Bikes how I would Imagine they should be ridden. and How I want to ride one when every I am able to afford one.. Mountain single Track
Have you heard any specifics on the Talaria Factory fork that are on the EbikeZilla's September delivery schedule. The bikes shipping in August are coming with a FastAce fork. Previous out of stock models were sold with DMN and Manitou. Would appreciate your input on those forks, won't be pushing hard like I used to but once you have good suspension it spoils you. I'm 64, riding for 54 years, last bike was a '11 300XC. Ready to pull the trigger on the Talaria as my riding clock could expire anytime. Thank you.
The price of these is more reasonable than I would have thought. I was thinking of getting a motorcycle but I may just go this route as I'm more interested in having something for fun instead of to commute.
@@ElectricCycleRider I honestly like the fact that they don't really get up to highway speeds unless in need of an emergency lol. Will help keep me out of trouble a bit.
What it support and parts like for talaria bikes ? Has anyone had experience? That is my only real set back. Community, parts, support for the surron is incredible . So much info .
Awesome comparison. Very fortuitous, as I've narrowed it down to these 2 bikes! 6'1" rider - leaning toward Talaria. Planning on a ktm decal kit to fool people. lol
@Dillon Thomson Good catch and thanks for bringing it up. I've got the voice feature shut off on mine. It's been a headache since Day 1. It freezes, cuts clips, missing clips. I might just have to go back to my trustworthy Hero 7... Do you have a 10?
@HowAboutNowDad It roughly took 50 minutes to get to that point. The range really depends on a few factors, one main one being the terrain. I would say this test I did is a good median reference. If you're on a full MX track or wide open road, range/time will be less. If you're on single track or slower technical terrain, range/time will be more.
Just spoke with a dealer in Sydney Australia and she swears by Talaria due to its gearbox and that Sur Ron’s belt keeps on breaking, apparently Costco are also selling it here in Australia and there has been quite a few Sur Rons returned due to missing parts or being non functional. Apparently there’s no price difference either, so Talaria Sting here I come
I sat on one that was on display at costco. The appeal of something a bit bigger was instant. The only thing that keeps drawing me back to the Sur Ron is that you can now get it registered in Australia. Much easier for you in NSW I believe as it can be done on delivery. In QLD it seems you have to apply for your own VIN number and then get it registered yourself
I'm saving up up to get one of these. I'm still torn which one I want to choose. Right now i'm leaning toward the Surron. Only because it's light and nimble. I already know I want to upgrade the controller and the battery for better performance and range
thanks for the vid, I was wondering if the sur ron is good for a 6.2ft rider ?? and I'm kind of the same rider as you cuz I would use the Sur Ron for a bit of jump and stuff but mostly speed and flowy trials, to work and school. keep the good vid up
@lastname firstname Thanks dude! If you're 6'2", I'd point you toward the Talaria because the fit is bigger. Definitely want some riser bars or riser stem and should be good! Enjoy.
I think I know what they doing for me it like it’s almost this same company, looks like next year there will be most amazing Sur-Ron as Talaria elevates the standards. Still don’t know which one but probably Talaria as I am taller guy hoping for good evolution of the product. There is apparently lots of parts which fits both. By the way I am looking for super moto 12” rims/wheels in anodised coloured aluminium probably gold or black gloss, streets tires. Give me a shout if you know contact in Europe or US. Best review I have seen so far. Thank You very much
Gr8 video man! I totally agree for the price, both these bikes are amazing! You could get one of each for the same price as a 600cc motorcycle, so to me it's a no brainer. I think for shorter riders (like me) Sur ron would be a better fit.
@Vincent Johnston Right on man! The low cost of entry definitely opens up a lot of options for people, which is really cool. Are you riding a Sur Ron right now?
@@ElectricCycleRider hello! yes i was Scotland's first owner of the LB road legal in April, i've put up a couple of moto vlogs on my channel if you'd like to see my experiences so far :)
@Lockie Austin Thanks man. I would love to try the L1E but I don't believe that bike is available here in the US... or at least not yet. I'll definitely check it out if the opportunity presents itself. 👍
Don’t forget to note the talaria has less steering travel as the front of the bike is larger. Also, did you notice the back of the Talaria has an issue with the pin which is not quite the right size so there is play?
This is a bit off topic. What hydration pack are you wearing? I have been looking for something like it with pockets on the front side of the shoulder straps.
Coming from a KTM 525 EXC and 29" mountain bike back ground, I'm curious how you like the KTM Freeride vs. these much lighter, closer to mountain bike type experience? I see you are riding the SAME trail you took the Sur-ron Storm Bee and Freeride on. I know it is probably a crazy question, but it is nearly impossible to get anyone to rent/test ride any of these. To me, a $4500 Talaria Sting R sounds pretty amazing...Still, I think I'd have about $3k in EBMX 9000 controller and 72V/42Ah in upgrades pretty quick...
@Alexandru Apavaloaie Awesome! My jersey/pants/gloves are from the good folks at FXR and wearing a 6D/FXR helmet. Most online retailers carry their gear or directly at bit.ly/FXRmoto
Can you test out the totally wicked xr12? I like that it has pedals as well because you can take on the roads better and sounds like they are fast but would like a real review of one
Couldn’t you counter that talaria battery shake with some rubber type spaced or some sticky sided weather shield foam. Where 1 sided like sticky other like a firm black hardened foam?
The SurRon frame design is SO much cleaner than the Talaria's box style, looks awful imo. I went with the SurRon for the aftermarket parts & community. The Talaria should have been "better" but it just made a bunch of trade offs instead, total bummer.
@Ian For sure, I agree the Sur Ron frame design is more aesthetically pleasing. The Talaria frame is noticeably larger and stiffer though, two benefits that I personally value over looks! You're right about the aftermarket parts and community though. Plenty of options to improve the bike and fix some of the ergonomic pain points on the bike. As I said at the end of the video, it's pretty hard to pick a winner because I would modify both bikes to be, as you say, "better". Thanks for the note! 👍
@Phi Tonics 1. If the bikes could be alphabets, the Sur-Ron would be cursive and the Talaria would be print. 2. If the bikes could be automobiles, the Sur-Ron would be a car and the Talaria would be a truck. The Talaria has a harder edge.
Man I was thinking a sur ron because I Love the Look and and full seat that you can get with the 4MF Moto Kit.. But the Talaria has a Gearbox Taller + stiffer/stronger swingarm. lol idk what to get.. well I can not afford either one right now but I'm thinking for the future lol
Pros and cons to both for sure! You can't really go wrong with either but depends how much you want to modify. The 4MF kit with 21"/18" wheels makes the Sur Ron quite a bit bigger and you can get an aftermarket swingarm and peg braces to stiffen it up some... quite a lot of options! The gearbox on the Talaria is definitely cool. Decisions... Decisions... Decisions... 👍
I am looking for a commuter bike, was thinking mountain bike, but electric seems like what I am going to do! I Clooked at the One WHEEL.... THEN, I STUMBLED ON TO THESE!! like the way they look, it would definitely take care of all of my commuter needs....., just 2 questions... What is the weight limit on these??? I am 6'1" 220lbs!!! and 2.... what is the name of that shop in Jersey City for the battery mod???
Reference needed how tall are you ,build weight .for reference. Both bikes are different in design? Hard to compare ? And was shift better on the talaria?
The main issue I had with the sur-ron was the throttle response, seemed more like an on/off switch. It was hard to cruise at a steady speed, something I do a lot of in the wide-open spaces. Talaria doesn't have that issue, so that alone makes the switch worth it to me. I installed a Warp9 52t sprocket (you can retain the stock chain guard) and Deity hi-rise bars. Battery bounce sucks and needs a fix.
Is the seat on the talaria uncomfortable because it pushes you forward on the bike too much and also have you noticed the turning radios is bigger on the talaria and is that a problem
Only three minutes into the video… *I just wanna let everyone know, that in the USA almost every place you buy a SurRon from will be about three to $400 cheaper than the talaria! I’m not quite sure why his references are opposite* but this is the majority of most dealers.
Here in Canada the prices listed on the Talaria site are 400$ CAD cheaper. I don't own one, I haven't started the process of purchasing one either. I know it can change once you get to the dealer. But they appear to be less expensive here.
@Marko Polo Prices fluctuate and my references are where I got these specific bikes from. If I made a list of every dealer's current MSRP, by the time you're watching it, the price will have likely changed again. It's up to the viewer to do their research when they're ready to buy one of these: bit.ly/ECRMarketplace
Gosh, I'm genuinely curious what the price point in the future might be on these electric dirt bikes? $4k+ seems a bit steep in my opinion, but I also do not know much about the technology... I imagine this is pretty niche when it comes to the type of terrain you're looking to be on, because for the price point you could get a nice Honda crf 250!! Like I said though, I am very ignorant when it comes to this as I just learned these things even exist, but they look like so much fun!
The only reason I could justify buying one of these for that price of 5k, is if you could drive it on roads and bicycle trails as well. Not ripping it going max speed on bike trails but just cruising on them at 15-20 mph would be so convenient getting to and from work
How fast does those bikes go because I'm trying to get a dirtbike a gas one but I don't got that money so my friend told me try an electric bike I'm trying to look for a good bike
The Talaria is the better machine. Props to the Sur Ron for building a great platform for the Talaria to build apon but the Talaria is superior in many ways. However like Sur Ron Talaria will some day be improved apon and the cycle will continue like most things. But for now Talaria is King
hello, greetings from me, deny ahmadi from Indonesia. I wish you continued success, and the videos are entertaining and useful, I really want to have an electric bicycle but can't afford it. but what is the power I'm just a school driver. keep it up
@@ElectricCycleRider Thanks man. I have the Talaria, been working on a build and picked up the Ohlins suspension. But someone said I'll be disappointed because I'm a heavier rider who has 20 years in mtb/dh/mx. So before I complete my build, I'm trying to figure out if there's a better option as I've almost doubled my investment in this over the original cost lol... Appreciate the vids, its helping all of us figure out how to config these new genre bikes!!!
@@joshream3164 Hell yeah man. That's awesome! I almost went Ohlins on this next build but trying some new stuff instead. Did you get the Ohlins DH38 fork? Or the TTX22 shock also?
@@ElectricCycleRider DH38 with TTX22 on the rear. From what I'm reading, the front should hold, although Justin at Gritshift said all MTB forks eventually bend at the damper rod if you ride aggressive. Hoping thats not the case given your vids you seem to ride those 40's pretty agro. Need to find a beefier spring for the rear, Ohlins only goes up to 411lbs rating, I need a 600 or 650 with my weight and riding style. Excited to see your moto forks build !
@Josh Ream For sure. The Ohlins stuff is nice but still suffers from being MTB specific. Check out the EBMX rear shock. Another option is the EXT rear shock. 👍
You're going to have to do some serious mods if you want to ride it off road at that weight. Main issue will be that the suspension can't handle that weight stock, you'll need at minimum stiffer springs. Too much spring though and you have damping issues. You'll also likely find the power a bit underwhelming, depending on what you're used to, however a larger sprocket will fix that, as a trade off for some speed. Another thing would be really raising the handle bars and re-inforcing the pegs.
@@dirkmohrmann8960 thanks for the info! I just plan on riding it to work and the reason this appeals to me more than just a normal E Bike is simply because it doesn’t have pedals and is solely throttle. Do you think I could get by commuting without changing the suspension?
@@holdenc2636 It is going to feel small on you, no doubt but if you're just commuting on the road, I think you'd be fine. Just stiffen the preload in the shock and add the max PSI to the fork. Taller handlebars/bar risers (check the description for those) and a 21" if you're feeling ambitious and you'd do fine. If you do, make sure to report back here and let us know how it goes!
@@ElectricCycleRider thank you for the advice! I have rather short legs at a 30-32 inch inseam so I think with some riser handlebars I can make it work
Great vide bro. just found out about talleria and wanted to see what the difference was. I think it might be a better choice for me since I’m 6/2 and you said it sits higher then the Sur Ron. I was sold on the sur Ron before your video lol but Can u suggest any legit sellers to me that ship I live in ny I’ve been trying to find a legit site to buy from that ships.
@T'Shaka Hamm Thanks man! Yeah, in stock form, the Talaria is the better option for your height. We've got a bunch of dealers on our website that sell both bikes bit.ly/ECRMarketplace Hope this helps!
These bikes are really interesting, but i cannot figure out why they use that little 19 inch. They are pure offroad bikes not a GS and should have a 21. My only other holdup is figuring out licenseing in WI. Most trails are open to street legal bikes with very few dirt bike areas. With WI backward licensing situations im not sure if id actually be able to license one, otherwise id be extremely tempted to pick one up, especially as a single track toy.
Does anyone know if something new will be hitting the market for sur ron category? What will be the future of electric offroad bikes or MX? Should I get Sur ron or wait for the next big new technological bike?
You said the talaria had 42 tooth sprocket and th sur-Ron had a 48 then you wer saying the talaria had 44 tooth sprocket two teeth will make a difference in the bottom and top end or the diff b tween to bikes with 6 teeth
I can see these being very fun on a short track or maybe a short trail loop that doesn't exceed 16 miles. But then you're done for a while until you can recharge it. One of my favorite trails in Colorado is 42 miles round trip, so there's no way an e-motorbike could do that.
@@unassociatedanomaly1158 I use both modes, I do a lot of busy urban riding too, and I like the throttle response of eco mode better. I’ve removed the 20mph speed limit, so I will hit sport mode on the bigger streets or when I need the speed.
They have aftermarket batteries for both these bikes that more than double the stock range. You could do 42 miles. There's also bikes like the Zero FX that can do 60 miles off road stock
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I'm sorry. I'm late.. can i ask your.. *shrug* i mean to ask. Does height matter. And your relation to it. King, i realize you are over 6 foot, like all of us. But say the queen is 5'10 and concubine is 5'8..both under 170 lbs. does the height matter?
I don't want any electric vehicles for distance i want to drive and carry as much fuel as possible on a truck or jeep or suv. And if you aren't getting the views on the bikes.. know this. Zero motorcycle is single handedly fucking up the market because they arent cheap, have shitty DRM and put Tesla to shame. In all honesty its the ESG garbage that want to chain people to NOT traveling anywhere..
To be clear, all E-Vehicles *MUST* have a reliable *SELF CHARGING SOLAR CANOPY* to be even remotely viable to consider. Otherwise fossil fuel is still the best option.
(Edit a solar canopy must be *at worst* shaped like a big umbrella deployable from the vehicle itself. It should be covered with solar panels and charge while riding, ensure there is zero "phone app" software and cellphone, gps, and bluetooth completely optional.)
I want one I I got the money 💰
Is this bike available in india &how much in india?
I've been riding a Sur Ron some 2 yrs by now and rode 6000+ km already. The only upgrade I did was a 58 sprocket. That's all. If I'm to spend $2000 for other improvements then I'd rather buy a new KTM or something. What I'm trying to say is that I like Sur Ron the way it is besides I keep it in my apartment and I don't think I'd like to keep a KTM next to my bed). Tnx for the review.
You’re an incredible rider! I really enjoyed watching this. I recently ordered one and never road something like it before or many bikes for that matter. No matter what I’m hyped and hopefully in the future I can do stuff like you do! You make it look fun af.
@EliteShot That's awesome man! Thank you. Glad to hear you're out enjoying it 👍👍
You lucky devil. Hope you’re having fun on it by now!
Ware can I buy one
That was an awesome review. Thank you for being as unbiased as possible. As an owner of a 2021 Sur Ron X Black Edition, I was wondering about how the Talaria compares. I've invested close to $5,000. in upgrades to my Sur Ron so far, and the fact that I am only 5'4" convinced me to keep what I got. Besides, iIt's about as much as I can handle. LOL.
@Ted Kanemitsu Right on! You've got a great bike in the Sur Ron! It's definitely easy to spent $5K on these bikes. So many cool aftermarket parts to pick from! Glad you're enjoying it and thanks for the note 👍
$5000 in upgrades!?
im the same height. what would you buy today if you were starting over?
For that money, you could have had a KTM.
I knew you were an MX guy as soon as you mentioned the Motul slacker! Been racing myself for almost 40 years. Really considering one of these E-bikes this next year. Great vid my man!
@Jeffro 503 Awesome!!
Bought 2 Surrons one 2021 and now a new 2023 haven’t looked back. Love it
Mine is in the way can’t wait!!!!
@@Bill-e-Goat mines coming too surron is just the og even though talaria has more power I had to just stick with sick design of the surron.
excellent review. solidifies my choice for the Talaria. both are amazing bikes that will cater to each individual on what theyre going to use it for.
@Chronicles of Talaria Thanks! For sure, nice to have options. 👍
I think the Talaria is the better choice for most people over 5'8. You'd save money of height mods and chain drive swap alone. Most of the functional mods for the Sur Ron are also already compatible or quickly becoming available for the Talaria (suspension, sprockets, controllers, batteries, etc). I went with the Talaria because I felt it was a better structural platform.
@Carlitos R You bring up some great points. The size of the Talaria straight away is a huge benefit. As you say, plenty of bolt-on options to upgrade the Talaria too and many power/battery upgrades coming soon.
good to know as im 6,1 and still growing so maybe i should just save for a bigger bike
I've narrowed it down to these two bikes, def leaning toward the talaria.
I'm 6'3 you think id do ok with the talaria?
@@philkyburz5882 Yeah, I think so. Just get some riser bars and maybe a lifted direct mount stem. There are also seat risers available, should you feel you need one.
Just came across your video and noticed you mention GoPro camera shutting off unexpectedly. I recently noticed that too on my cameras, however there's a quick fix for it. I think by default, it's set to shut off automatically in 15 minutes. In the menu there is an option to turn that off to "Never". Hope that helps. It's very frustrating if you didn't know that option exist but it does.
I have almost 700 miles on my Talaria and i absolutely love it. Ive rode a Surron and i prefer the feel of my talaria. Cant wait for more aftermarket parts to become available. Only thing ive done so far to it is put the H03C pads on the rear. Other than that its box stock. Probably will do bars, pegs, and hopefully a upgraded kickstand if they come up with one
@Nickolas Landon Awesome to hear your perspective! 700 miles is a solid amount! What type of riding do you mainly do with it?
Ebmx have a talaria kickstand
Ebmx have a talaria kickstand
@@EBMXtreme i looked on your site and only found the Surron kickstand..
@@nickolaslandon4640 it is interchangeable for Talaria or Surron
I have wanted a sur ron for a while. Then I seen the sting. bought it. I LOVE it!! Stock gearing SUCKS for anyone over 150 lbs.(off road). In full riding gear i am around 200 lbs. I run a 56 rear and it is a whole new world!! All off road I should say. It wheelies sooo good now. Stock is almost a chore to wheelie. And it still goes over 40mph. Never tested stock vs 56. It feels way faster though. AND more battery life. I have 500 miles on mine now. Great bike for bigger or taller people. Still a small bike.
@Jon Doe Awesome. Looking forward to trying it with the big sprocket. What type of terrain are you riding yours in? 500 miles is a good clip!
@@ElectricCycleRider mostly tight single tracks. Love it.
Wish the battery was more stable on the talaria, but I do like that it doesn't have a belt drive.
Love your Videos man!! you ride these Bikes how I would Imagine they should be ridden. and How I want to ride one when every I am able to afford one.. Mountain single Track
@Mountain Goat87 Hey I appreciate that man!! Love the single track.
Have you heard any specifics on the Talaria Factory fork that are on the EbikeZilla's September delivery schedule. The bikes shipping in August are coming with a FastAce fork. Previous out of stock models were sold with DMN and Manitou. Would appreciate your input on those forks, won't be pushing hard like I used to but once you have good suspension it spoils you. I'm 64, riding for 54 years, last bike was a '11 300XC. Ready to pull the trigger on the Talaria as my riding clock could expire anytime. Thank you.
The price of these is more reasonable than I would have thought. I was thinking of getting a motorcycle but I may just go this route as I'm more interested in having something for fun instead of to commute.
@LaterNerd They are both affordable, for sure!
@@ElectricCycleRider I honestly like the fact that they don't really get up to highway speeds unless in need of an emergency lol. Will help keep me out of trouble a bit.
The fact I can get 100km plus range and go almost 90kmh... Makes it hard to justify the motorcycle
1 important detail left out. What’s the top speed of these?
What it support and parts like for talaria bikes ? Has anyone had experience? That is my only real set back.
Community, parts, support for the surron is incredible . So much info .
Great comparo! Lots of folks looking for this one!
@Michael Wilson Appreciate it!
Awesome comparison. Very fortuitous, as I've narrowed it down to these 2 bikes!
6'1" rider - leaning toward Talaria.
Planning on a ktm decal kit to fool people. lol
Big fan of your videos dude! Any chance you could add music in the background?
I think Sur Ron must completely change brakes and stop putting on them bicycle brakes lol
What’s the best way to purchase a Talaria in the USA? Are there dealerships or only ship from Europe? Thanks!
I am also interested in best place to purchase on the u.s … Michigan
you may have voice control active on your GoPro. The camera can stop recording anytime you say "GoPro"
@Dillon Thomson Good catch and thanks for bringing it up. I've got the voice feature shut off on mine. It's been a headache since Day 1. It freezes, cuts clips, missing clips. I might just have to go back to my trustworthy Hero 7... Do you have a 10?
How long did it roughly take for you to reach the 16 mile or 10% battery point. This is making me reconsider getting an electric bike.
@HowAboutNowDad It roughly took 50 minutes to get to that point. The range really depends on a few factors, one main one being the terrain. I would say this test I did is a good median reference. If you're on a full MX track or wide open road, range/time will be less. If you're on single track or slower technical terrain, range/time will be more.
I just rode my SurRon w a Talaria , and biggest difference was the SurRon has better front factory forks but the Talaria has a better battery.
Just spoke with a dealer in Sydney Australia and she swears by Talaria due to its gearbox and that Sur Ron’s belt keeps on breaking, apparently Costco are also selling it here in Australia and there has been quite a few Sur Rons returned due to missing parts or being non functional.
Apparently there’s no price difference either, so Talaria Sting here I come
I sat on one that was on display at costco. The appeal of something a bit bigger was instant.
The only thing that keeps drawing me back to the Sur Ron is that you can now get it registered in Australia.
Much easier for you in NSW I believe as it can be done on delivery.
In QLD it seems you have to apply for your own VIN number and then get it registered yourself
Think the talaria is now l1e approved on 'aebikes' website for NSW
In short, I think Talaria is stronger. The reason is because the anbar in it is quite high
Great riding, I was waiting for a stormtrooper or Ewok to jump out!
What a time to be alive 😎
@X-Gurl-X I'm sure they got some cool rides in the after life tho :)
Can't wait
I'm saving up up to get one of these. I'm still torn which one I want to choose. Right now i'm leaning toward the Surron. Only because it's light and nimble. I already know I want to upgrade the controller and the battery for better performance and range
thanks for the vid, I was wondering if the sur ron is good for a 6.2ft rider ?? and I'm kind of the same rider as you cuz I would use the Sur Ron for a bit of jump and stuff but mostly speed and flowy trials, to work and school. keep the good vid up
@lastname firstname Thanks dude! If you're 6'2", I'd point you toward the Talaria because the fit is bigger. Definitely want some riser bars or riser stem and should be good! Enjoy.
@@ElectricCycleRider thanks for the help sorry to get back to you so late
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Excellent video!👍
say if i like trails, and jumps like that. What would be the better option for me?
Which one is better the sting of the suron?
im getting the Surron known it for almost 3 years now only road it 2 times for test ride at local dealer
That battery shaking would drive me nuts can't believe they didn't sort that out.
I think I know what they doing for me it like it’s almost this same company, looks like next year there will be most amazing Sur-Ron as Talaria elevates the standards. Still don’t know which one but probably Talaria as I am taller guy hoping for good evolution of the product. There is apparently lots of parts which fits both.
By the way I am looking for super moto 12” rims/wheels in anodised coloured aluminium probably gold or black gloss, streets tires. Give me a shout if you know contact in Europe or US.
Best review I have seen so far.
Thank You very much
Gr8 video man! I totally agree for the price, both these bikes are amazing! You could get one of each for the same price as a 600cc motorcycle, so to me it's a no brainer. I think for shorter riders (like me) Sur ron would be a better fit.
@Vincent Johnston Right on man! The low cost of entry definitely opens up a lot of options for people, which is really cool. Are you riding a Sur Ron right now?
@@ElectricCycleRider hello! yes i was Scotland's first owner of the LB road legal in April, i've put up a couple of moto vlogs on my channel if you'd like to see my experiences so far :)
@Vincent Johnston Awesome!
Love you videos, could you maybe do some videos on surron L1E road legal surron? Thanks
@Lockie Austin Thanks man. I would love to try the L1E but I don't believe that bike is available here in the US... or at least not yet. I'll definitely check it out if the opportunity presents itself. 👍
Don’t forget to note the talaria has less steering travel as the front of the bike is larger. Also, did you notice the back of the Talaria has an issue with the pin which is not quite the right size so there is play?
What is a pin? Have no issues with my rear wheel at all
They fixed this on the 2023. There’s a review on our channel.
This is a bit off topic. What hydration pack are you wearing? I have been looking for something like it with pockets on the front side of the shoulder straps.
Coming from a KTM 525 EXC and 29" mountain bike back ground, I'm curious how you like the KTM Freeride vs. these much lighter, closer to mountain bike type experience? I see you are riding the SAME trail you took the Sur-ron Storm Bee and Freeride on. I know it is probably a crazy question, but it is nearly impossible to get anyone to rent/test ride any of these. To me, a $4500 Talaria Sting R sounds pretty amazing...Still, I think I'd have about $3k in EBMX 9000 controller and 72V/42Ah in upgrades pretty quick...
Graet video ! Personally I'm satisfied with my Surron as a newbie. Question, where did you get the riding suit/helmet ? Thanks !
@Alexandru Apavaloaie Awesome! My jersey/pants/gloves are from the good folks at FXR and wearing a 6D/FXR helmet. Most online retailers carry their gear or directly at bit.ly/FXRmoto
Can you test out the totally wicked xr12? I like that it has pedals as well because you can take on the roads better and sounds like they are fast but would like a real review of one
Couldn’t you counter that talaria battery shake with some rubber type spaced or some sticky sided weather shield foam. Where 1 sided like sticky other like a firm black hardened foam?
What about the cab-eagle in the works for a compare-oo.. do you prefer these two . Or what do you thing about a real hub motor
Is this the Talaria Sting R MX3 or MX4?
MX4
any reason youd set the air spring on the forks at the same pressure? is zeroed out wide open?
The SurRon frame design is SO much cleaner than the Talaria's box style, looks awful imo.
I went with the SurRon for the aftermarket parts & community.
The Talaria should have been "better" but it just made a bunch of trade offs instead, total bummer.
@Ian For sure, I agree the Sur Ron frame design is more aesthetically pleasing. The Talaria frame is noticeably larger and stiffer though, two benefits that I personally value over looks! You're right about the aftermarket parts and community though. Plenty of options to improve the bike and fix some of the ergonomic pain points on the bike. As I said at the end of the video, it's pretty hard to pick a winner because I would modify both bikes to be, as you say, "better". Thanks for the note! 👍
@Phi Tonics
1. If the bikes could be alphabets, the Sur-Ron would be cursive and the Talaria would be print.
2. If the bikes could be automobiles, the Sur-Ron would be a car and the Talaria would be a truck.
The Talaria has a harder edge.
So many channels I watch have that same go pro issue
@Lukasz P Surron? What is that??
Great video!
Man I was thinking a sur ron because I Love the Look and and full seat that you can get with the 4MF Moto Kit.. But the Talaria has a Gearbox Taller + stiffer/stronger swingarm. lol idk what to get.. well I can not afford either one right now but I'm thinking for the future lol
Pros and cons to both for sure! You can't really go wrong with either but depends how much you want to modify. The 4MF kit with 21"/18" wheels makes the Sur Ron quite a bit bigger and you can get an aftermarket swingarm and peg braces to stiffen it up some... quite a lot of options! The gearbox on the Talaria is definitely cool. Decisions... Decisions... Decisions... 👍
I just purchased the talaria
@@hurbsgaming Awesome man. Enjoy it!
@@hurbsgaming nice man enjoy!!🤘🙃🤘
Excellent for Mountain rescue teams in Wales etc
I am looking for a commuter bike, was thinking mountain bike, but electric seems like what I am going to do! I Clooked at the One WHEEL.... THEN, I STUMBLED ON TO THESE!! like the way they look, it would definitely take care of all of my commuter needs....., just 2 questions... What is the weight limit on these??? I am 6'1" 220lbs!!! and 2.... what is the name of that shop in Jersey City for the battery mod???
How fast are both in stock form please? I may have missed that info in post???
Hi how much would you expect to pay for a used 2022 MX3 with low kms in CAD?
I live in Colorado as well..which trails are those?
Reference needed how tall are you ,build weight .for reference. Both bikes are different in design? Hard to compare ? And was shift better on the talaria?
250 pounds without going out and purchasing aftermarket shocks & forks. Which bikes will hold The weight?
I just wonder about my size and weight plus bag I'm 6'3 at 260 minus pack I don't mind gas but I'd love to get into the electric options
The main issue I had with the sur-ron was the throttle response, seemed more like an on/off switch. It was hard to cruise at a steady speed, something I do a lot of in the wide-open spaces. Talaria doesn't have that issue, so that alone makes the switch worth it to me. I installed a Warp9 52t sprocket (you can retain the stock chain guard) and Deity hi-rise bars. Battery bounce sucks and needs a fix.
WhAt chain brand and size did you use for the talaria sting?
Can you just some weatherstripping foam tape stuff inside the battery compartment to take up the clearance?
what sag are you running on the talaria? i have the same tool and run 60mm sag
@Master Right on. I run closer to 50-55mm on the stock bike.
Awesome video
what is the mileage range on both bikes?
Is the seat on the talaria uncomfortable because it pushes you forward on the bike too much and also have you noticed the turning radios is bigger on the talaria and is that a problem
From what I experienced it doesn’t really affect me and isn’t really noticeable unless you really try to think of it.
They changed this with the new 2023 model. I have a video covering it.
That's a cool looking trail. Mind sharing the location?
How tall are you. And how comfortable would this bike for simply trail cruising.
Only three minutes into the video… *I just wanna let everyone know, that in the USA almost every place you buy a SurRon from will be about three to $400 cheaper than the talaria! I’m not quite sure why his references are opposite* but this is the majority of most dealers.
Here in Canada the prices listed on the Talaria site are 400$ CAD cheaper. I don't own one, I haven't started the process of purchasing one either. I know it can change once you get to the dealer. But they appear to be less expensive here.
@Marko Polo Prices fluctuate and my references are where I got these specific bikes from. If I made a list of every dealer's current MSRP, by the time you're watching it, the price will have likely changed again. It's up to the viewer to do their research when they're ready to buy one of these: bit.ly/ECRMarketplace
That's funny, because a year ago, Surron dealers were stroking the prices way up.
Gosh, I'm genuinely curious what the price point in the future might be on these electric dirt bikes?
$4k+ seems a bit steep in my opinion, but I also do not know much about the technology...
I imagine this is pretty niche when it comes to the type of terrain you're looking to be on, because for the price point you could get a nice Honda crf 250!!
Like I said though, I am very ignorant when it comes to this as I just learned these things even exist, but they look like so much fun!
The only reason I could justify buying one of these for that price of 5k, is if you could drive it on roads and bicycle trails as well. Not ripping it going max speed on bike trails but just cruising on them at 15-20 mph would be so convenient getting to and from work
thats what im saying like.. lemme ride my motorcycle on the bike paths. if im going 10 mph what the difference for real...
I drive my surron everywhere, I use it almost daily to go to work and have no problems
@@ButchGremlin where do you park it?
I absolutely love the new surron forks however im only 140 lbs.
Colorado soooo…y’all have goat heads too. How thick are these tires? Do you slime them? I’m in the desert and it’s thorn central.
How fast does those bikes go because I'm trying to get a dirtbike a gas one but I don't got that money so my friend told me try an electric bike I'm trying to look for a good bike
geze thet sure looks like a good competition you have
I’m 6 feet 5 240 pounds
I would be keeping it stock
Which one would be better for a big dude
The Talaria is the better machine. Props to the Sur Ron for building a great platform for the Talaria to build apon but the Talaria is superior in many ways. However like Sur Ron Talaria will some day be improved apon and the cycle will continue like most things. But for now Talaria is King
when are they going to do bike racing ?
Did you ever try a 21" on the Talaria?
hello, greetings from me, deny ahmadi from Indonesia. I wish you continued success, and the videos are entertaining and useful, I really want to have an electric bicycle but can't afford it. but what is the power I'm just a school driver. keep it up
Does talaria have the snow kit?
Whats your thoughts on MTB suspension vs say KTM 85 forks?
@Josh Ream If you follow along for the next handful of videos, I might just tell you directly. Wink, wink. 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider Thanks man. I have the Talaria, been working on a build and picked up the Ohlins suspension. But someone said I'll be disappointed because I'm a heavier rider who has 20 years in mtb/dh/mx. So before I complete my build, I'm trying to figure out if there's a better option as I've almost doubled my investment in this over the original cost lol... Appreciate the vids, its helping all of us figure out how to config these new genre bikes!!!
@@joshream3164 Hell yeah man. That's awesome! I almost went Ohlins on this next build but trying some new stuff instead. Did you get the Ohlins DH38 fork? Or the TTX22 shock also?
@@ElectricCycleRider DH38 with TTX22 on the rear. From what I'm reading, the front should hold, although Justin at Gritshift said all MTB forks eventually bend at the damper rod if you ride aggressive. Hoping thats not the case given your vids you seem to ride those 40's pretty agro. Need to find a beefier spring for the rear, Ohlins only goes up to 411lbs rating, I need a 600 or 650 with my weight and riding style. Excited to see your moto forks build !
@Josh Ream For sure. The Ohlins stuff is nice but still suffers from being MTB specific. Check out the EBMX rear shock. Another option is the EXT rear shock. 👍
Liked, subscribed!!
@Karol Doba Happy to have you here! 👍
I’m 6’5 and about 250 do u think I’m too big for even the talaria?
You're going to have to do some serious mods if you want to ride it off road at that weight. Main issue will be that the suspension can't handle that weight stock, you'll need at minimum stiffer springs. Too much spring though and you have damping issues. You'll also likely find the power a bit underwhelming, depending on what you're used to, however a larger sprocket will fix that, as a trade off for some speed.
Another thing would be really raising the handle bars and re-inforcing the pegs.
@@dirkmohrmann8960 thanks for the info! I just plan on riding it to work and the reason this appeals to me more than just a normal E Bike is simply because it doesn’t have pedals and is solely throttle. Do you think I could get by commuting without changing the suspension?
@@holdenc2636 It is going to feel small on you, no doubt but if you're just commuting on the road, I think you'd be fine. Just stiffen the preload in the shock and add the max PSI to the fork. Taller handlebars/bar risers (check the description for those) and a 21" if you're feeling ambitious and you'd do fine. If you do, make sure to report back here and let us know how it goes!
@@ElectricCycleRider thank you for the advice! I have rather short legs at a 30-32 inch inseam so I think with some riser handlebars I can make it work
Great video guys! Both monster bikes for sure!
Sur ron rules mine has been amazing no problems with it at all good brakes suspension stock 2023 sur ron!
Do they have the same rear hub?
@POVids They have slightly different rear hubs. Front hubs are the same.
Can you put street tires on the Surron 🤔
Ya
Yo i need to know ur height pls cuz u said it needed a bar raise or smth and i wanna compare heights
There is a sur ron on the website listed as $0.00 is that actually free or is it an error?
have you ridden trail #819 ? its my favorite
Great vide bro. just found out about talleria and wanted to see what the difference was. I think it might be a better choice for me since I’m 6/2 and you said it sits higher then the Sur Ron. I was sold on the sur Ron before your video lol but Can u suggest any legit sellers to me that ship I live in ny I’ve been trying to find a legit site to buy from that ships.
@T'Shaka Hamm Thanks man! Yeah, in stock form, the Talaria is the better option for your height. We've got a bunch of dealers on our website that sell both bikes bit.ly/ECRMarketplace
Hope this helps!
Last Mile nyc
These bikes are really interesting, but i cannot figure out why they use that little 19 inch. They are pure offroad bikes not a GS and should have a 21. My only other holdup is figuring out licenseing in WI. Most trails are open to street legal bikes with very few dirt bike areas. With WI backward licensing situations im not sure if id actually be able to license one, otherwise id be extremely tempted to pick one up, especially as a single track toy.
What’s your backpack?
My hero 10 does the exact same thing, brand new aswell used it 3 times and it started shutting itself off
Does anyone know if something new will be hitting the market for sur ron category? What will be the future of electric offroad bikes or MX? Should I get Sur ron or wait for the next big new technological bike?
Stark varg $13000
New surron just got dropped for $9500
You said the talaria had 42 tooth sprocket and th sur-Ron had a 48 then you wer saying the talaria had 44 tooth sprocket two teeth will make a difference in the bottom and top end or the diff b tween to bikes with 6 teeth
Will they eventually put license plates on these bikes? I hope not
Got one on my drone 😂
I can see these being very fun on a short track or maybe a short trail loop that doesn't exceed 16 miles. But then you're done for a while until you can recharge it. One of my favorite trails in Colorado is 42 miles round trip, so there's no way an e-motorbike could do that.
Go green bro, pedal power mtb!!! Maybe in a few years these will have range like that
I can easily exceed 50miles range on my Sting, completely stock.
@@petrol88 what mode do you keep it in bro?
@@unassociatedanomaly1158 I use both modes, I do a lot of busy urban riding too, and I like the throttle response of eco mode better. I’ve removed the 20mph speed limit, so I will hit sport mode on the bigger streets or when I need the speed.
They have aftermarket batteries for both these bikes that more than double the stock range. You could do 42 miles. There's also bikes like the Zero FX that can do 60 miles off road stock
What is the name of the music at the beginning