Great first ride video. I've actually owned a Storm Bee (I call it the "Storm Beast") Enduro for 10 months now. It's also a pre-production model which I bought used in Mongolia for $8k. So I'm interested to hear your impressions. I can't make a video and upload it because I live in the mountains of Mongolia and we have appallingly slow upload speeds. At least until I get Starlink! So, if you don't mind, I'll give my 10 month of ownership impressions here. I love this bike. I've owned a few dual sport and adventure bikes (ICE) but never a full-on 2-stroke motocross bike. So my opinions are based on that. The Storm has exceeded my expectations from my experience with those bikes. Bear in mind, I can't compare it to a genuine motocross bike. The Bee's torque in sport mode is fierce and it feels like it'll pull my arms off. I only use sport mode on my rare rides on actual roads. I generally use "eco" to give me more range and the speed is sufficient for my use. I ride around our mountain camp home, usually for 1-3 hours. The nearest paved road is about 10km (6 miles away). I don't measure battery level in distance but in time. In 1-3 hours of riding up and down mountains, grassy slopes, rocky trails and some dirt trails, I'll use 10-80% of the battery capacity, depending on whether I'm doing trials style or motocross style riding. Charging is fast with 240v. From empty, it's claimed to recharge in 4 hours but I've never gone to empty. In realistic use, I can get multiple rides a day, charging at home if necessary. We have cheap electricity here but no gas stations for 10 miles, so electric vehicles are a good idea for me. It costs almost nothing to run when you have cheap electricity. Ours cost 4 cents per kW/h. I think the Storm Bee enduro works both as a trials bike and a mild motocross bike. Maybe not competition level but I've never competed so I'm not sure. As I said, I don't ride on road much at all. When I have (2 or 3 times), I find the Storm Bee very sporty: it feels light, agile and very fast accelerating at the low speeds but loses steam after 90km/h. I think mine goes up to 120km/h (Surron claims 110km/h probably restricted). Road range is claimed as 100km at 50km/h but who rides like that? I don't. So I haven't bothered with a boring road range test. It's not the intended use. The suspension suits me. It soaks up everything I've thrown at it and I haven't bottomed it out on the small jumps I do. I've also never adjusted it but I should maybe experiment. I find the handling very light and flickable off road too. Reverse is handy if you get stick on a steep hillside and want to maneuver out of a tough spot. The turning radius is really good. Hill climbing is very good but would be better with lower pressure and maybe mousse inner "tubes". I'm considering getting those because getting a flat in my area is no fun. I've never had a flat though but I'd rather not. It's a remarkably comfortable bike for me. It's tall but so am I (6'2"), so I can plant both feet flat in the sitting position. Standing while riding is very comfortable with the ergos just right for me. Sufficiently large front foot pegs work well with my motocross boots for long spells out of the saddle. The seat is unexpectedly comfortable. I tried a Light Bee in standard form and the ergos felt wrong for a big fella, whereas the Storm Bee is just about right. It'd be nice if the Bee were lighter but it's much lighter than my past bikes. The construction is solid and I think to be lighter, it would be more vulnerable to damage on the inevitable off-road spills and drops. I'd like the option of a much lighter battery for those short 1 hour rides, which I like. If I could shave off 20kg with a light battery, I'd take the range hit happily. The battery alone weighs 30kg (66lbs) so that's the obvious place to attempt to shave weight. The battery is removable so having a lighter option would be great. Ironically, I also lost the ends of the brake levers but just filed them smooth and added KTM branded handguards. The rear indicators will most likely get broken as they have zero protection and aren't flexible. I might replace the brake levers but the brakes work just fine with 2 fingers so it's not a high priority. Overall, there's little to complain about with this bike from my perspective. It supplies the most smiles per mile I've ever had.
@RetroThruster Haha, for sure. They'll be available for sale in the USA soon. This pre-production model is pretty dialed in. Just some small tweaks that will likely be made before the production run.
Catastrophic failure and having to resort back to fossil fuels or some other fuel alternatives. Remember, when your Tesla runs out of battery, there's gonna be a diesel powered generator to come and save the day, probably being pulled by a diesel power truck
@@dyllongeckles2122 dude, you're speaking common sense and these people lack an once of it. Brainwashed they are and they're drunk from the Kool aid. (You're wasting your breath)🤦👍
@@dyllongeckles2122dumb comment. If I run out of fuel in my petrol car then an electric van could just as easily be the one delivering a jerry can of fuel to me. The smart way to look at this is each type of vehicle has its pros and cons so use what works for your lifestyle.
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@@howiefine3074 The battery is easy to swap out. It's heavy 30kg (66 lbs) which is what makes the bike heavy. In other respects the bike is made of strong / heavy components. I believe this makes it more durable. If it were designed for competition, they could definitely make it a lot lighter with a lighter battery (less cells) but shorter range and lighter frame and forks. However, it wouldn't go far or handle falls as well. Everything is a compromise. I don't feel like it's too heavy personally and I own one. That being said, if Surron offered a considerably lighter battery with a commensurate shorter range, I'd be interested. Say 10kg (1/3 the weight) for 35km range (1/3 of the range). That would save 20kg (44 lbs) of total weight.
As an enduro rider, I'm interested. Just worried about the battery life and did you say 291 pounds? That's probably gonna be another deal breaker :/ Maybe I'm just counting the days (or years) until I'm on electric. 💪😁👍
@@kingjinglefingle so much cooler to be able to ride urban areas cause its silent. We can have tracks in town agian. Hell in the empty lot on the block. Karens cant noise complaint. And you can go ride at 5am not bothering anyone. No warm up time instant power. Optional left hand rear braking. Where is the downside battery life? Thats what they said about gas engines and oil changes when the first came out.
@@yzrippin "Where is the downside battery life?" - well yes. That is the downside. The BIG downside. I don't hate on EVs but this cult of personality built around electrics is just...weird.
Are you kidding me my guy!? This bike is a despicably fast awesome exactly what many of us have been waiting for,starting on everything from the looks to dash lines another flowing emotion that all out Motocross all in your face look
Definition of" breaking it in" lol ! I do like the dual sport aspect but also glad to know they are that heavy. Was going to get one for my son as intro bike but I might get one for short rides to work as we have a lot of dirt road access and no paying for gas a bonus. Excellent video surprised you can focus while talking , plus you pushed that bike well right to the point. 👍👍
So sick! So glad you finally got this one on your list of electrics! I'd love to hear some more in-depth thoughts on this compared to something like the Stark Varg (since you got to test that one - even if it's just based on your first impressions of the Varg), Alta Redshift (since we can still get those used) and KTM Freeride E-XC. I know these are VERY different bikes (and that the Alta's are discontinued) but hey... they're all electric bike options and those comparison videos are HUGE for helping people choose a bike for their style of riding. That and I think above all others, the comparison and general thoughts videos are my absolute favorite. I love seeing these bikes compared to other electric bikes as well as the gas bikes. It would be great to even see your lap time comparisons in different terrain (kind of like you've done with Sur Ron vs the KTM Freeride). Again, we totally understand that they are very different bikes but these comparisons are still a ton of fun to watch! Awesome content as always and looking forward to your in-depth review of this one!
@@TravisNobles Thanks for the note. Yes, please disregard the scammers. They keep trying to impersonate the ECR account by using our logo and a fake name, very annoying. TH-cam should be on top if it... I'll cover those questions in the full review! Appreciate the feedback!
GREAT riding. OK so questions..... 1Are the turn signals / head lamp LED? 2Is the battery removable / swappable? 3 Battery run time trail / city / highway 4 TYPE of battery, LFP / NCA / NCM / Ternary? 5 Charge time? 6 Insure process, have the bike street legal? Does it require inspections, etc.? 7 Are there tire options, I see knobs in the vide, but what about a more 50/50, stock? 8 When will the price of the bike be available, and price of the battery? 9 What maintenance is needed, I see chain not belt, so there is at least some maintenance, what else? 10 Is the charger stored in the bike, I can go on linger trip and charge at 1/2 way point? 11 Are all parts available on line, shipping to Canada, USA, Mexico? 12 Expected life of bike / battery. Probably a guess, but will it hold up? Can I be riding it in 25 years time? 13 Life of the electric motor, what motor is in it? 14 Direct competitor? Love Zero but way to expensive. I would buy Zero if it was 50% cheaper. 15 What about changing sprockets / gears to get a top end of a consistent highway 90mph? Ride to the trail, do trail riding, then ride home. Also use for work commute. 16 Are components going to last and are they correct for this bike? Meaning, IMO the components on the similar Zero are for stopping at 200MPH, for jumping down 5 meters, are for bikes that weigh triple. All not needed. Big names sound cool, cost more, but on a say 200cc-350cc powered bike, are just not necessary. 17 When looking for low cost, reliable, durable, not big flashy component part, not paying for brand name (Harley), just want it to work and last, is this a good bike for that? I am not a pro that needs top end Eqip.
The most interesting question is the average range: 1. When actively driving in sport mode 2. When driving moderately in sport mode 3. When driving in eco mode
@@martinfoster5163 thanks for your input. Could you also put that into time ranges respectively? (As a two stroke guy I’ve never really tracked distance 😅)
@@skytek9645 well, I’d say 1, 2 and 3 hours of spirited, moderate and eco riding is approximately right. If you were in a motocross race 1 hour might be all it’d manage. I get 3 hours because I ride moderately fast in eco mode but do a lot of mountain riding, up and over passes but not insanely fast. My sense is that “sport” is mainly for high speed road riding above 80km/h (50mph). It seems unnecessary in the mountain forests and grasslands, single or no tracks. On a very nice unpaved road you might want “sport” mode. We don’t have that kind of nice unpaved. Everything around my area is rough or natural surfaces. There are some nice roads but I rarely ride on them, as I mentioned. I haven’t found the range to be limiting at all for my style of riding. If anything, I’d like a much lighter battery as an option to save weight, trading off range. Maybe they’ll offer one eventually.
Unwraps his new toy and immediately breaks it, haha! I had a preconceived idea about how this bike would be and you completely nailed it. The weight, tires and suspension definitely had me thinking “dual sport”. That being said, I wonder how big of a dual sport ride you can get away with on it… Cheers, Tucker!
@Introvert Adventurer Haha, par for the course! Although, the bike isn't mine. Just a test bike for the reviews. I'll be doing some "dual sport" type testing with it for the coming videos, hope to answer that question ^ 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider I think considering the build and parts, it's not worth it many of the parts such as suspension are found on cheap Chinese dual sports like my own X-Pro Templar 250 or other brands like GPX FSE 250e, or Kayo K4/K6
Thank you for the cool review! One thing I notice is the rear suspension linkage goes below the swing arm this would mean you run the chance of damaging it if you use the bike for Hard Enduro or more technical riding, and makes it seem that it was more designed for single track and trail riding as you mentioned. If you want a good comparison, KTM has a similar suspension linkage on their MX/motocross bikes but the Enudro bikes have the rear suspension linkage stopping above the swing arm where it is protected from rocks and anything you might ride over. I look forward your next vid!
Mol, not quite true. The KTM XC (not xc-w), Husky, Yamaha, Sherco and Gasgas hard enduro bikes all have linkage. I prefer the linkage KTM for my hard enduro and hare scramble riding
@@HardEnduroLuvr thanks for the reply but I think you may have your models mixed up. KTM’s MX bikes (SX) all have the linkage below the swing arm. The Enduro bikes (EXC and Freeride E-XC) both have the linkage above the swing arm. This was done to protect the rear suspension.
@@moltr00ps73 Thanks for the note! You're right. The KTM XC-W / EXC range use KTM's PDS rear shock, which has no linkage. The KTM SX / XC and Husky / GasGas bikes all utilize linkage suspension for both their MX / XC and Enduro bikes. Plenty of companies make skid plates that run underneath the linkage and I'm sure someone will come out with an option like that for the Storm Bee!
so much cooler to be able to ride urban areas cause its silent. We can have tracks in town agian. Hell in the empty lot on the block. Karens cant noise complaint. And you can go ride at 5am not bothering anyone. No warm up time instant power. Optional left hand rear braking. Where is the downside battery life? Thats what they said about gas engines and oil changes when the first came out.
Here in Australia the DRZ is fondly referred to as the "Bush Pig" Because its versatillity in the bush is amazing. But its a fat heavy pig too. Looking at the Storm Bee specs 2 years ago I flagged the storm bee as an electric bush pig. They even got the colour right. Its 50kg too heavy and a little low on power to be fun for sport riding but its a great fire trail get around. Sadly not many people have a need for that these days.... Leaves me still longing for the sub 80kg CR500 replacement I know is possible. Maybe one day someone will get a stark varg motor into a light bee and then we will have something really cool. Re questions. Whats it sound like? Your voice audio was awesome quality, but I found it took away form the review because I couldn't hear the bike over the talking. Perhaps you can get a few mic on bike moments in future reviews?
@@stevec7435 I haven't tried a K5. I have a light bee. I personally find mid drive to be much snappier and better unsprung weight. Hard to compare to a pedal assist hub drive.
I am a broken record, but if e-moto manufacturers want to be serious about competition, they need to equip their enduro bikes with mechanical clutches. I can look past the fact that there is no gearbox (though I think a 3-speed or 4-speed gearbox would pair great with an enduro bike), but cannot look past the lack of clutch. Clutches are for finite control of power delivery to the rear wheel. Maybe the MX racers will be happy to get on a Stark Varg and ditch the clutch, but we enduro racers will not. All the e-trials competition bikes come with clutches for good reason. Enduro bikes need them as well. As for the Storm Bee, listening to your feedback and impressions, it sounds like the bike is sort of like the new KLX230 or CRF230F. A solid trail bike that will handily perform on most trails but maybe the geometry and suspension (and brakes?) are holding it back from being a true performer. Maybe the Storm Bee doesn't need a clutch, but then again, based on your description it's not a competition bike.
Kind of glad to hear it's more dual sport than enduro, love my xr250l. It's comfy soft suspension makes long rides n trails enjoyable. And compliments its tractor ability on the trails just to get through everything with a bit of skill. I'll still going the way of the talaria as the lower weight and means I can fit 2 on the back of the ute easier.
Very timely review. I plan to order one here in Europe over the winter as it should be a good upgrade over CRF250L. Looking forward to see your full impressions! Also, would be interested to see a side by side comparison with the KTM Freeride (performance, range, etc).
@Laurynas Awesome to hear! In the chassis department, the Storm honestly feels quite similar to the CRF250L. In the power department, the Storm has a lot more torque! I'll definitely be doing some comparisons and range tests, stay tuned. 👍
That thing looks really cool and I'm excited that the electric dirt bike technology is improving. I am bummed that this thing weighs so much though!!! 290 seems like a lot!
Yesterday I tried a 562 pound electric motorcycle for the first time, mind you I never rode something heavier than a surron before and I learned how to ride that thing in 20 seconds. Check out the livewire motorcycle for reference. I was even stable at 5 mph with all the weight It has roll of throttle regen which is customizable and it helped me control the speed and turns better, not to mention I didn't even use the Brembo brakes. I'm comparing apples and oranges because my 72v surron didn't even stand a chance, same as it wont stand a chance against the storm bee on those trails because it's not built for it. I also think 290 lbs isn't a big difference from 110 lbs stock to - 140 lbs upgraded surrons Your average Ninja/CBR's weight around 350-400+ lbs, even the 250cc's If anything the weight probably adds more traction and the beefier suspension helps for this kind of fast technical riding.
It would be so weird riding a dirt bike without that 2 or 4 stroke sound bellowing from the frame below. I think part of the joy of riding comes from that sound..
I can see the first flaw, fugly graphics and plastics. They should make Full black version like they do with the small Surron, maybe a good question for the importer.
They are really controlling the PR on the Varg, They aren't letting any independents test their bikes that aren't under their control, while they are bringing in outside people to get the bike exposure,they are controlling everyting else, they bring them in to ride the bikes on custom-designed tracks, they roll the bikes out of the van's and tell the guy he is allowed 5 laps then has to come back with in, then they might sawp him out to another bike, I think there is a little too much hype sauce around the Vargs, people who ordered them are supposed to take delivery early 2023. That's my long way of saying, there are no comparo tests vesus the Varg, and there most likely won't be until people can actually buy them, so maybe next spring we will see one in the wild that can be compared.
@@EssPhour I've been wondering about the Varg. Just no one has come close to their numbers. All the engineers at KTM, Honda, Zero, aren't coming close to weight, power, and range. You have me thinking they are throwing a small battery in there, so great power, light weight, but hiding the low range.
@@justincoats7236 I shouldn't get down on the bike, I've just had some debates with fan boys, and I see how Varg promotes the pros while skipping the cons, It's the game they can play with EV's programmable ECU settings, They can say it has 80HP but they don't tell us if that is Peak or Nominal, if its peak, it's only temporarily available, hypothetically maybe only 90 seconds, then the ECU defaults to 45HP for the next 5 minutes to allow the motor to cool down. If I remember correctly the bike weighs right around 250lbs so about the same as a 450cc four-stroke. I could say more negative, but on the positive side, they have put notable effort to lighten up the bike as much as possible, largely just by using exotic materials like carbon fiber, the shocks are from a major name brand supplier custom designed for the bike, put all the range questions to the side, if it was available right now it would be fastest and best handling motocross EV available, although KTM's bike could possibly prove otherwise in the suspension department.
@@EssPhour thanks for the info. I've been watching a lot of TH-cam videos about the Varg. They look awesome. I just question because Honda, Yamaha, KTM, and Zero don't seem to have anything close. My buddy has a Zero 7.2. It's all street. It's so fast. No shifting, just a perfect strong pull from zero to 75mph. It weighs close to 290 lbs. It can run 50 miles at 60mph. It will last longer if you aren't running it so hard. It's just hard to see the Varg at 50 pounds lighter with a longer lasting battery. I just wonder.
@@justincoats7236, I think Yamaha is the one to watch, They have been quietly active with EV technology for at least the last 6-8 years, they have a factory team EV Trials bike they've been racing the last few years, they claimed they lighten the battery by 25% in their newest version this year, but they give no specs on the bike. One of the hyper car companies Koenig? is building a hybrid car, it will be using Yamaha EV motors, a single wheel motor weighs 50lbs & puts out 300HP.
I heard these were priced around 13k at that point the stark varg would be a better bang for you’re buck unless sur Ron steps up their game for the storm bee for when it officially release
@@juniorotero9030 maybe but maybe not. Doubt it would be that expensive though. 7K at most, otherwise you’d just get ripped tf off. I’m in the uk so I’m basing my prices from here
@@wasatchadventures8947 I really doubt it’ll be price around that especially not here in Cali and the new street version of the sur Ron will forsure be $1000 above the regular sur on since I bout my sur Ron the price has went up on them about 300
I think an obvious question would be range - not only trail riding range, but since it's more of a 'true' dual sport, on-road range vs. something like a Zero FX? Also... I think we need to hear the full story behind the first ride brake lever breakage lol.
@The Privateer Thanks for the note. I will for sure cover those range questions in the next videos! And for the first ride crash... haha. Wish I had my GoPro running. The suspension was just set up very soft and I was very eager to test the Storm. Came into a technical rock garden... 290 pounds + soft suspension = I lost it! Slow speed tip over but the first thing to touch ground was the brake lever. For the tube, I started feeling confident again. Approached a hill climb at high-ish speed and squared up to a sharp edge rock. Pinch flat. Sur Ron was quick to send me a replacement lever and I had the opportunity to see what the tubes look like. They are a bit light-duty for a bike of this weight. Knowing that the Lightbee X comes standard with some thin tubes, I'm not surprised. Great for weight savings and range but I prefer to have some more protection inside my tires! 👍
This bike (90v) has 4.3ah I believe and the 104 volt model will have 5.7ah. I think range will be similar between them due to people riding the 104v more at higher speeds, but regardless should be between the 3.6ah and 7.2ah Zero FXs.
People overestimate range on electric motorcycles because speed has a giant impact on range. If I ride at 40mph on my Zero I get double the range compared to riding at 70mph. It doubles again if I ride at 20mph. Electric bikes like the light bee often state range using 20mph and motorcycles like the Zero state range using 40mph as the standard, so your results may vary considerably.
XR400 is right on the money, heavy comfy, great for open fire trails, great for soft sand dunes and open long high speed trails, but I'm shocked at how well its handling the technical stuff though, I would never had done that on my old XR400.
@@izom Yeh if you can ever get the basted started, TBH I rid a hard core electric mountain bike now, and I enjoy that more than I ever enjoyed my trail bikes.
Did you get a chance to look at the spokes afterwards? I know the wheels are kind of a weak point on the Sur-Rons. Bike looks like a heck of a lot of fun. Hit 70mph pretty quick and it seemed super stable.
Heck yeah! Can't wait for your full review! I would love to know your thoughts when compared to the KTM FR. I mainly ride trials, light Enduro, and some woods riding. I bought a Talaria as proof of concept and always thought the KTM was my end goal, but who knows maybe it will be the Stormbee.
Have the Husky 501 and ride same as you except moderate to technical enduro. Bought the talaria sting for my wife and me to ride around town on the bike trails and love them! Ordered the Stark Varg and can't wait for delivery. The 501 weighs 260 loaded with gear and fuel BTW. I have full faith the electric bikes will take over sooner than later.
@@SunKing2010 I'm a big fan of the 501! A very close friend of mine owns a 2019 and it's been an awesome machine. Cool to hear you've got the Sting to ride around. Very different from your 501 but super fun in the right environment. My hope is for the eMoto bikes to eventually solve the range (and charging) dilemma. If and when that happens, there will be some hard decisions to be made when it comes time to buy a bike... Still 2T and 4T bikes in my garage until that time comes though.
This is something I wish existed when I was younger. Too many times the 2-stroke noise was a beacon for authorities and Karen"s having a problem with the noise LOL.
I love the way they look, I love the idea of having one... BUT charging one and 100 pounds heavier than my husqy 350. This is something I could only own if I kept my stable.
I own the storm bee in the UK only ridden 20 miles in 11 months since taking delivery. I must get out more! You should put hand guards on it - bike looks better with them!
Wow, those trails are technical!! Where is this video filmed? Also, do you think you could do another video on this bike like in 6 months or longer just to check up on it and see how it's holding up? I'll give a sub...
That looks like the terrain I'm used to riding here in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I'm really interested in an electric dirt bike, just to see how much more wildlife I can 'sneak' up on. I see a TON of deer, turkeys and once in a great while, a coyote...how much more would I get to see with a much quieter bike. Good ride, thanks.
Same , i like the slack you get from two strokes & their clutch and dislike the clunky eager industrial feel of four strokes they're unforgiving , their like an angle grinder vs a cordless drill
Sur Ron should just make a Light Bee that comes with upgraded controller and 72v battery. It would save a lot of people a lot of money on all of the aftermarket upgrades, and Sur Ron would sell tons of them. This Storm Bee model is in a whole other class for sure. Looks good. Cheers.
Color options? Price about? Top speed? Battery life, both just cruising and doing a more full send run? Maybe how much a battery is also? All these questions would he neat to answer in the next one. Just giving suggestions thankyou have a good day.
Just went camping with my boys, have 3 dirt bikes, a 450, 300, 230 all Kawasaki. I think this tech is cool, so much quieter but if your camping for days how do you charge it? How long does it take to charge? Would you have to run a generator for hours to charge it?
I pretty much ride single track 98% of the time and this is exactly what the editor world has been waiting for. I’d love to put it to hard testing through rocky stuff in PA and WV
Don't see electric being good for technical single track. The way the power would come on i don't see me liking it at all....i like to be able to control my power with the clutch. You would have to have traction control to prevent wheel spin and anyone who knows anything about traction control knows when you want and need the power but your spinning the engine falls flat on its face.
Questions: The bike you were riding looks to be a street legal model. Will SurRon offer both street legal enduro and full on motocross model? What is the actual battery size in terms of kWh? Suspension travel? Comments: I went back to your video list and saw the only Zero you have ridden is the DSR. The Storm Bee would be far more comparable to an FX. Especially an FX with a set of knobby tires and a chain conversion. It would be great if you could talk your local dealer who lent you the DSR to lend you a dirt equipped FX and compare it to the Storm Bee. I've seen websites mentioning the Storm Bee will be about $10,400 when released in the US. That is pretty close to the FX price.
I strictly race harescrambles on the east coast. I'd love to have an electric bike to race with. Currently I race a ktm 250 2stroke with a rekluse clutch. What would be the best option for me? Can the battery (or an upgraded battery) last a full 2hr+ race? If not is there a model that has a quick swap capability?
There is nothing you can do about the weight for the most part, but it sounds like the power and chasis is there, and the suspension is lacking....That's actually a really optimistic outlook for the bike, suspension is one of the easier things to tweak, adjust, or replace. you can't say the same for power or chassis. Go look at the Talaria and Suron aftermarket, about the only thing that isn't getting upgraded on those is the motor and the chassis, and there are even options out there for chassis right now.
Could you show the battery removal process? My garage has no wall socket. Do you see a chance to deploy a cart with a crane, for handling the battery? Thanks in advance.
Thank you for your review. Btw congrats on the TKO race. Impressive. I’m ready to buy a Electric motion escape R and after this video I’m not sure anymore !?!? I’m 60 years old and like to ride single track. My concern with the storm bee would be the additional 90 lbs weight between these 2 bikes. What are your thoughts and advice. Thank you.
It looks like a blast but I can't help but feel like I'll still have more fun on my Surron XX on trails like this. This feels more like a dualsport that doesn't excel at any specific thing other than maybe acceleration.
I live in Colorado. I'll cover the TURBO button in the review but in the meantime, here is the Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
could you do a top speed one the street and a range test on street / highway and dirt both miles and hours / minutes range estimate / make your best guess. also will there be battery range upgrades or quick swap / ways to add batteries for more range capabilities ?
This thing is going to change the face of motorcycles imho. Only question I have is range, and charging requirements....120v? 220v? Can it be charged with a generator while camping?
You'll probably get a charger based on your country. Mine is 240v for Mongolia. Yes, you can charge it with a substantial generator. I've got a diesel generator 4.5kW and it works. I can check the amperage of the charger if you want.
How would you compare this to the STARK VARG? since this can be street legal its so much more of a sale for me. I am not a MX rider i just want a nice offroad bike that i can ride to work some times
Great vid! I have just bought a KTM E-XC. I am keen to know more about your Storm BEE. Can you give an indication of miles or time you get per charge. Also what time of riding this is on. Mode too. highest mode or an in between mode? I am not sure about the KTM and thinking of swapping it in for a storm BEE. Thanks in advance.
Dude this is sick and I need one. It’s the best. Compared to the nicot ebeast surron is on top! I love my light bee x. I need a storm bee for the trails!
Looks pretty cool. The thing I'm curious about is really really slow trails, how does it do with slow uphill stuff? Is it just all down to throttle control? I'm just trying to understand how it works without a clutch to manage putting the power to the ground. I'm envisioning some stuff I've ridden where I'm climbing very loose/sandy steep trails and by the nature of the trail I can't have a lot of speed. I can feather the clutch and manage exactly how much wheelspin or no wheelspin I want at various points. Also is there a way to disengage the drive? Again I'm just struggling with the thought of no clutch, what if you want to free wheel roll down a hill with no resistance from the drivetrain?
Great first ride video. I've actually owned a Storm Bee (I call it the "Storm Beast") Enduro for 10 months now. It's also a pre-production model which I bought used in Mongolia for $8k. So I'm interested to hear your impressions. I can't make a video and upload it because I live in the mountains of Mongolia and we have appallingly slow upload speeds. At least until I get Starlink! So, if you don't mind, I'll give my 10 month of ownership impressions here.
I love this bike. I've owned a few dual sport and adventure bikes (ICE) but never a full-on 2-stroke motocross bike. So my opinions are based on that. The Storm has exceeded my expectations from my experience with those bikes. Bear in mind, I can't compare it to a genuine motocross bike. The Bee's torque in sport mode is fierce and it feels like it'll pull my arms off. I only use sport mode on my rare rides on actual roads. I generally use "eco" to give me more range and the speed is sufficient for my use. I ride around our mountain camp home, usually for 1-3 hours. The nearest paved road is about 10km (6 miles away). I don't measure battery level in distance but in time. In 1-3 hours of riding up and down mountains, grassy slopes, rocky trails and some dirt trails, I'll use 10-80% of the battery capacity, depending on whether I'm doing trials style or motocross style riding. Charging is fast with 240v. From empty, it's claimed to recharge in 4 hours but I've never gone to empty. In realistic use, I can get multiple rides a day, charging at home if necessary. We have cheap electricity here but no gas stations for 10 miles, so electric vehicles are a good idea for me. It costs almost nothing to run when you have cheap electricity. Ours cost 4 cents per kW/h.
I think the Storm Bee enduro works both as a trials bike and a mild motocross bike. Maybe not competition level but I've never competed so I'm not sure.
As I said, I don't ride on road much at all. When I have (2 or 3 times), I find the Storm Bee very sporty: it feels light, agile and very fast accelerating at the low speeds but loses steam after 90km/h. I think mine goes up to 120km/h (Surron claims 110km/h probably restricted). Road range is claimed as 100km at 50km/h but who rides like that? I don't. So I haven't bothered with a boring road range test. It's not the intended use.
The suspension suits me. It soaks up everything I've thrown at it and I haven't bottomed it out on the small jumps I do. I've also never adjusted it but I should maybe experiment. I find the handling very light and flickable off road too. Reverse is handy if you get stick on a steep hillside and want to maneuver out of a tough spot. The turning radius is really good. Hill climbing is very good but would be better with lower pressure and maybe mousse inner "tubes". I'm considering getting those because getting a flat in my area is no fun. I've never had a flat though but I'd rather not.
It's a remarkably comfortable bike for me. It's tall but so am I (6'2"), so I can plant both feet flat in the sitting position. Standing while riding is very comfortable with the ergos just right for me. Sufficiently large front foot pegs work well with my motocross boots for long spells out of the saddle. The seat is unexpectedly comfortable. I tried a Light Bee in standard form and the ergos felt wrong for a big fella, whereas the Storm Bee is just about right.
It'd be nice if the Bee were lighter but it's much lighter than my past bikes. The construction is solid and I think to be lighter, it would be more vulnerable to damage on the inevitable off-road spills and drops. I'd like the option of a much lighter battery for those short 1 hour rides, which I like. If I could shave off 20kg with a light battery, I'd take the range hit happily. The battery alone weighs 30kg (66lbs) so that's the obvious place to attempt to shave weight. The battery is removable so having a lighter option would be great.
Ironically, I also lost the ends of the brake levers but just filed them smooth and added KTM branded handguards. The rear indicators will most likely get broken as they have zero protection and aren't flexible. I might replace the brake levers but the brakes work just fine with 2 fingers so it's not a high priority.
Overall, there's little to complain about with this bike from my perspective. It supplies the most smiles per mile I've ever had.
Definitely keep this for your first video!
Awesome review
I've got a moose and a tubeless system. I'm thinking the tubliss system is best. Sounds like you live in heaven with an awesome bike!
@@oblivianation9759 yes I’m in heaven. Except I took it for service a week ago. I have to ride my other dual-sport and I don’t like it nearly as much.
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Fun read! Sounds like you're really enjoying it all!
I can't believe how fast you can ride those tight trails. I'm impressed!!
Been waiting yrs already, what's a few more, lol... Kidding, just hope I'm not too old to ride by the time they are available, looks like fun!
@RetroThruster Haha, for sure. They'll be available for sale in the USA soon. This pre-production model is pretty dialed in. Just some small tweaks that will likely be made before the production run.
I'm in Europe and the local dealer has one today in their shop priced at £7,837.
In Thailand they are getting the Ultra Bee
I love how the world is going Electric, I can’t wait to see what the future brings
Catastrophic failure and having to resort back to fossil fuels or some other fuel alternatives. Remember, when your Tesla runs out of battery, there's gonna be a diesel powered generator to come and save the day, probably being pulled by a diesel power truck
@@dyllongeckles2122 facts
@@dyllongeckles2122 dude, you're speaking common sense and these people lack an once of it. Brainwashed they are and they're drunk from the Kool aid. (You're wasting your breath)🤦👍
@@dyllongeckles2122dumb comment. If I run out of fuel in my petrol car then an electric van could just as easily be the one delivering a jerry can of fuel to me. The smart way to look at this is each type of vehicle has its pros and cons so use what works for your lifestyle.
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How easy is it to swap out batteries? Why is the bike so heavy?
I'd love to see a comparison against the Freeride
@@howiefine3074 The battery is easy to swap out. It's heavy 30kg (66 lbs) which is what makes the bike heavy. In other respects the bike is made of strong / heavy components. I believe this makes it more durable. If it were designed for competition, they could definitely make it a lot lighter with a lighter battery (less cells) but shorter range and lighter frame and forks. However, it wouldn't go far or handle falls as well. Everything is a compromise. I don't feel like it's too heavy personally and I own one.
That being said, if Surron offered a considerably lighter battery with a commensurate shorter range, I'd be interested. Say 10kg (1/3 the weight) for 35km range (1/3 of the range). That would save 20kg (44 lbs) of total weight.
As an enduro rider, I'm interested. Just worried about the battery life and did you say 291 pounds? That's probably gonna be another deal breaker :/
Maybe I'm just counting the days (or years) until I'm on electric. 💪😁👍
Does it get rid of the belt setup for a grear box.
been waiting for this bike to come out for ages
@Loz Indeed. It's been slower to get out of the gates here in the USA compared to other countries. Nice to finally see it in person.
Thank you for not playing music in the background. Beautiful review
Looks like a solid bike. Just needs a new exhaust and it'll be ready for production!
Not a fan of the sound, personally
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@@kingjinglefingle so much cooler to be able to ride urban areas cause its silent. We can have tracks in town agian. Hell in the empty lot on the block. Karens cant noise complaint. And you can go ride at 5am not bothering anyone. No warm up time instant power. Optional left hand rear braking. Where is the downside battery life? Thats what they said about gas engines and oil changes when the first came out.
Hardy harrrr!
@@yzrippin "Where is the downside battery life?" - well yes. That is the downside. The BIG downside. I don't hate on EVs but this cult of personality built around electrics is just...weird.
Are you kidding me my guy!? This bike is a despicably fast awesome exactly what many of us have been waiting for,starting on everything from the looks to dash lines another flowing emotion that all out Motocross all in your face look
Seems like the "ride it to the trail, on the trail, and home" compromise. I dig it.
better live close to that trail
Happy to see more of these poppin around
Definition of" breaking it in" lol ! I do like the dual sport aspect but also glad to know they are that heavy. Was going to get one for my son as intro bike but I might get one for short rides to work as we have a lot of dirt road access and no paying for gas a bonus. Excellent video surprised you can focus while talking , plus you pushed that bike well right to the point. 👍👍
@Truth Hrtz Haha, yup! Thanks for the note! 👍
So sick! So glad you finally got this one on your list of electrics! I'd love to hear some more in-depth thoughts on this compared to something like the Stark Varg (since you got to test that one - even if it's just based on your first impressions of the Varg), Alta Redshift (since we can still get those used) and KTM Freeride E-XC. I know these are VERY different bikes (and that the Alta's are discontinued) but hey... they're all electric bike options and those comparison videos are HUGE for helping people choose a bike for their style of riding. That and I think above all others, the comparison and general thoughts videos are my absolute favorite. I love seeing these bikes compared to other electric bikes as well as the gas bikes.
It would be great to even see your lap time comparisons in different terrain (kind of like you've done with Sur Ron vs the KTM Freeride). Again, we totally understand that they are very different bikes but these comparisons are still a ton of fun to watch!
Awesome content as always and looking forward to your in-depth review of this one!
@electric cycle rider it looks like someone is spamming using your profile picture...
@@TravisNobles Thanks for the note. Yes, please disregard the scammers. They keep trying to impersonate the ECR account by using our logo and a fake name, very annoying. TH-cam should be on top if it...
I'll cover those questions in the full review! Appreciate the feedback!
@@ElectricCycleRider yeah I've been reporting it every time I see it. Hopefully YT staff take care of it.
Looking forward to your upcoming vids!
@DotScott At least a partial answer to your question in this comparison here: th-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/w-d-xo.html
Very diplomatic summary! 290lb bike that rides like a '80s dual sport. Maybe it would make a cool street supermoto
GREAT riding.
OK so questions.....
1Are the turn signals / head lamp LED?
2Is the battery removable / swappable?
3 Battery run time trail / city / highway
4 TYPE of battery, LFP / NCA / NCM / Ternary?
5 Charge time?
6 Insure process, have the bike street legal? Does it require inspections, etc.?
7 Are there tire options, I see knobs in the vide, but what about a more 50/50, stock?
8 When will the price of the bike be available, and price of the battery?
9 What maintenance is needed, I see chain not belt, so there is at least some maintenance, what else?
10 Is the charger stored in the bike, I can go on linger trip and charge at 1/2 way point?
11 Are all parts available on line, shipping to Canada, USA, Mexico?
12 Expected life of bike / battery. Probably a guess, but will it hold up? Can I be riding it in 25 years time?
13 Life of the electric motor, what motor is in it?
14 Direct competitor? Love Zero but way to expensive. I would buy Zero if it was 50% cheaper.
15 What about changing sprockets / gears to get a top end of a consistent highway 90mph?
Ride to the trail, do trail riding, then ride home. Also use for work commute.
16 Are components going to last and are they correct for this bike? Meaning, IMO the components on the similar Zero are for stopping at 200MPH, for jumping down 5 meters, are for bikes that weigh triple. All not needed. Big names sound cool, cost more, but on a say 200cc-350cc powered bike, are just not necessary.
17 When looking for low cost, reliable, durable, not big flashy component part, not paying for brand name (Harley), just want it to work and last, is this a good bike for that? I am not a pro that needs top end Eqip.
I just found your channel! Greatness!
The most interesting question is the average range:
1. When actively driving in sport mode
2. When driving moderately in sport mode
3. When driving in eco mode
I've owned a Storm Bee for 10 months now, so I'll take a stab at that. I'd say 30 miles (45km), 40 miles (60km) and 60 miles (100km).
@@martinfoster5163 thanks for your input. Could you also put that into time ranges respectively? (As a two stroke guy I’ve never really tracked distance 😅)
@@skytek9645 well, I’d say 1, 2 and 3 hours of spirited, moderate and eco riding is approximately right. If you were in a motocross race 1 hour might be all it’d manage. I get 3 hours because I ride moderately fast in eco mode but do a lot of mountain riding, up and over passes but not insanely fast. My sense is that “sport” is mainly for high speed road riding above 80km/h (50mph). It seems unnecessary in the mountain forests and grasslands, single or no tracks. On a very nice unpaved road you might want “sport” mode. We don’t have that kind of nice unpaved. Everything around my area is rough or natural surfaces. There are some nice roads but I rarely ride on them, as I mentioned.
I haven’t found the range to be limiting at all for my style of riding. If anything, I’d like a much lighter battery as an option to save weight, trading off range. Maybe they’ll offer one eventually.
@@martinfoster5163 awesome. I’m keen! Thanks again
@@martinfoster5163 what speed does eco mode top out at
Unwraps his new toy and immediately breaks it, haha! I had a preconceived idea about how this bike would be and you completely nailed it. The weight, tires and suspension definitely had me thinking “dual sport”. That being said, I wonder how big of a dual sport ride you can get away with on it… Cheers, Tucker!
@Introvert Adventurer Haha, par for the course! Although, the bike isn't mine. Just a test bike for the reviews.
I'll be doing some "dual sport" type testing with it for the coming videos, hope to answer that question ^ 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider Nice! Looking forward to it!
@@ElectricCycleRider I think considering the build and parts, it's not worth it many of the parts such as suspension are found on cheap Chinese dual sports like my own X-Pro Templar 250 or other brands like GPX FSE 250e, or Kayo K4/K6
Nice. I'd love to see that in a supermoto configuration as well. Would be an excellent city bike.
Agreed! I feel like an electric supermoto would be the perfect combination
Thank you for the cool review! One thing I notice is the rear suspension linkage goes below the swing arm this would mean you run the chance of damaging it if you use the bike for Hard Enduro or more technical riding, and makes it seem that it was more designed for single track and trail riding as you mentioned. If you want a good comparison, KTM has a similar suspension linkage on their MX/motocross bikes but the Enudro bikes have the rear suspension linkage stopping above the swing arm where it is protected from rocks and anything you might ride over. I look forward your next vid!
Mol, not quite true. The KTM XC (not xc-w), Husky, Yamaha, Sherco and Gasgas hard enduro bikes all have linkage. I prefer the linkage KTM for my hard enduro and hare scramble riding
@@HardEnduroLuvr thanks for the reply but I think you may have your models mixed up. KTM’s MX bikes (SX) all have the linkage below the swing arm. The Enduro bikes (EXC and Freeride E-XC) both have the linkage above the swing arm. This was done to protect the rear suspension.
@@moltr00ps73 Thanks for the note! You're right. The KTM XC-W / EXC range use KTM's PDS rear shock, which has no linkage. The KTM SX / XC and Husky / GasGas bikes all utilize linkage suspension for both their MX / XC and Enduro bikes. Plenty of companies make skid plates that run underneath the linkage and I'm sure someone will come out with an option like that for the Storm Bee!
so much cooler to be able to ride urban areas cause its silent. We can have tracks in town agian. Hell in the empty lot on the block. Karens cant noise complaint. And you can go ride at 5am not bothering anyone. No warm up time instant power. Optional left hand rear braking. Where is the downside battery life? Thats what they said about gas engines and oil changes when the first came out.
Not EVERYTHING has to go electric!
The sound and feel of the motor under you is half the fun, not to mention the smell!!!!
I kept waiting for you to mention about how quiet the bike is!! I think that's my favorite feature. Great video ECR. New subscriber here =)
Here in Australia the DRZ is fondly referred to as the "Bush Pig" Because its versatillity in the bush is amazing. But its a fat heavy pig too.
Looking at the Storm Bee specs 2 years ago I flagged the storm bee as an electric bush pig. They even got the colour right. Its 50kg too heavy and a little low on power to be fun for sport riding but its a great fire trail get around. Sadly not many people have a need for that these days....
Leaves me still longing for the sub 80kg CR500 replacement I know is possible. Maybe one day someone will get a stark varg motor into a light bee and then we will have something really cool.
Re questions. Whats it sound like? Your voice audio was awesome quality, but I found it took away form the review because I couldn't hear the bike over the talking. Perhaps you can get a few mic on bike moments in future reviews?
I've heard those aus K5 bikes are great bang for your buck. Are they good compared to these?
@@stevec7435 I haven't tried a K5. I have a light bee. I personally find mid drive to be much snappier and better unsprung weight. Hard to compare to a pedal assist hub drive.
I am a broken record, but if e-moto manufacturers want to be serious about competition, they need to equip their enduro bikes with mechanical clutches. I can look past the fact that there is no gearbox (though I think a 3-speed or 4-speed gearbox would pair great with an enduro bike), but cannot look past the lack of clutch. Clutches are for finite control of power delivery to the rear wheel. Maybe the MX racers will be happy to get on a Stark Varg and ditch the clutch, but we enduro racers will not. All the e-trials competition bikes come with clutches for good reason. Enduro bikes need them as well. As for the Storm Bee, listening to your feedback and impressions, it sounds like the bike is sort of like the new KLX230 or CRF230F. A solid trail bike that will handily perform on most trails but maybe the geometry and suspension (and brakes?) are holding it back from being a true performer. Maybe the Storm Bee doesn't need a clutch, but then again, based on your description it's not a competition bike.
Kind of glad to hear it's more dual sport than enduro, love my xr250l. It's comfy soft suspension makes long rides n trails enjoyable. And compliments its tractor ability on the trails just to get through everything with a bit of skill.
I'll still going the way of the talaria as the lower weight and means I can fit 2 on the back of the ute easier.
Very timely review. I plan to order one here in Europe over the winter as it should be a good upgrade over CRF250L. Looking forward to see your full impressions! Also, would be interested to see a side by side comparison with the KTM Freeride (performance, range, etc).
@Laurynas Awesome to hear! In the chassis department, the Storm honestly feels quite similar to the CRF250L. In the power department, the Storm has a lot more torque! I'll definitely be doing some comparisons and range tests, stay tuned. 👍
@Laurynas Side by side comparison here: th-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/w-d-xo.html
That thing looks really cool and I'm excited that the electric dirt bike technology is improving. I am bummed that this thing weighs so much though!!! 290 seems like a lot!
Yesterday I tried a 562 pound electric motorcycle for the first time, mind you I never rode something heavier than a surron before and I learned how to ride that thing in 20 seconds. Check out the livewire motorcycle for reference. I was even stable at 5 mph with all the weight
It has roll of throttle regen which is customizable and it helped me control the speed and turns better, not to mention I didn't even use the Brembo brakes.
I'm comparing apples and oranges because my 72v surron didn't even stand a chance, same as it wont stand a chance against the storm bee on those trails because it's not built for it.
I also think 290 lbs isn't a big difference from 110 lbs stock to - 140 lbs upgraded surrons
Your average Ninja/CBR's weight around 350-400+ lbs, even the 250cc's
If anything the weight probably adds more traction and the beefier suspension helps for this kind of fast technical riding.
@@joem8601 less weight is always better unless on the freeway.
Way to Heavy
@@jimmunro4649 Perhaps but you’ll never truly know until you try
Yeah a bit heavy. I’m considering a KTM 350 and it weight 228 lbs dry.
Great review as always you do. Can't wait to see full review.
Wherever you are riding, that place is awesome!!
@Matt Tesch Colorado!
It would be so weird riding a dirt bike without that 2 or 4 stroke sound bellowing from the frame below. I think part of the joy of riding comes from that sound..
Looks great! All it’s missing is a transmission, a clutch, the sound of an engine, the smell of exhaust other then that it’s great.
@Daniel d 😂 I'll relay the feedback!
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Awesome Tucker! You are the main reason I own two Sur Rons.👍🏻
@Dean F Awesome Dean!! Hope you're enjoying them and thanks for the note 👍
I can see the first flaw, fugly graphics and plastics. They should make Full black version like they do with the small Surron, maybe a good question for the importer.
One thing we all wanna know range with this type of riding 👍
@Fitzanator Range will be a big topic I'll cover! 👍
Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
Would love to see an ongoing rating for top-level electric trail bikes (including their msrp)... How would this one compare to the Stark Varg?
They are really controlling the PR on the Varg, They aren't letting any independents test their bikes that aren't under their control, while they are bringing in outside people to get the bike exposure,they are controlling everyting else, they bring them in to ride the bikes on custom-designed tracks, they roll the bikes out of the van's and tell the guy he is allowed 5 laps then has to come back with in, then they might sawp him out to another bike, I think there is a little too much hype sauce around the Vargs, people who ordered them are supposed to take delivery early 2023. That's my long way of saying, there are no comparo tests vesus the Varg, and there most likely won't be until people can actually buy them, so maybe next spring we will see one in the wild that can be compared.
@@EssPhour I've been wondering about the Varg. Just no one has come close to their numbers. All the engineers at KTM, Honda, Zero, aren't coming close to weight, power, and range. You have me thinking they are throwing a small battery in there, so great power, light weight, but hiding the low range.
@@justincoats7236 I shouldn't get down on the bike, I've just had some debates with fan boys, and I see how Varg promotes the pros while skipping the cons, It's the game they can play with EV's programmable ECU settings, They can say it has 80HP but they don't tell us if that is Peak or Nominal, if its peak, it's only temporarily available, hypothetically maybe only 90 seconds, then the ECU defaults to 45HP for the next 5 minutes to allow the motor to cool down. If I remember correctly the bike weighs right around 250lbs so about the same as a 450cc four-stroke. I could say more negative, but on the positive side, they have put notable effort to lighten up the bike as much as possible, largely just by using exotic materials like carbon fiber, the shocks are from a major name brand supplier custom designed for the bike, put all the range questions to the side, if it was available right now it would be fastest and best handling motocross EV available, although KTM's bike could possibly prove otherwise in the suspension department.
@@EssPhour thanks for the info. I've been watching a lot of TH-cam videos about the Varg. They look awesome. I just question because Honda, Yamaha, KTM, and Zero don't seem to have anything close. My buddy has a Zero 7.2. It's all street. It's so fast. No shifting, just a perfect strong pull from zero to 75mph. It weighs close to 290 lbs. It can run 50 miles at 60mph. It will last longer if you aren't running it so hard. It's just hard to see the Varg at 50 pounds lighter with a longer lasting battery. I just wonder.
@@justincoats7236, I think Yamaha is the one to watch, They have been quietly active with EV technology for at least the last 6-8 years, they have a factory team EV Trials bike they've been racing the last few years, they claimed they lighten the battery by 25% in their newest version this year, but they give no specs on the bike. One of the hyper car companies Koenig? is building a hybrid car, it will be using Yamaha EV motors, a single wheel motor weighs 50lbs & puts out 300HP.
I heard these were priced around 13k at that point the stark varg would be a better bang for you’re buck unless sur Ron steps up their game for the storm bee for when it officially release
These are priced at about 9k
@@nikey7988 certainly not in California buddy or anywhere in the us the taxes and cost of shipping for stuff like this is insane
@@juniorotero9030 maybe but maybe not. Doubt it would be that expensive though. 7K at most, otherwise you’d just get ripped tf off. I’m in the uk so I’m basing my prices from here
Closer to $8700
@@wasatchadventures8947 I really doubt it’ll be price around that especially not here in Cali and the new street version of the sur Ron will forsure be $1000 above the regular sur on since I bout my sur Ron the price has went up on them about 300
I like the no music just real sounds and explanation ceep up the great work🫡💪
I just woke up from a very long sleep and after watching your video I feel tired again
I think an obvious question would be range - not only trail riding range, but since it's more of a 'true' dual sport, on-road range vs. something like a Zero FX?
Also... I think we need to hear the full story behind the first ride brake lever breakage lol.
@The Privateer Thanks for the note. I will for sure cover those range questions in the next videos!
And for the first ride crash... haha. Wish I had my GoPro running. The suspension was just set up very soft and I was very eager to test the Storm. Came into a technical rock garden... 290 pounds + soft suspension = I lost it! Slow speed tip over but the first thing to touch ground was the brake lever.
For the tube, I started feeling confident again. Approached a hill climb at high-ish speed and squared up to a sharp edge rock. Pinch flat.
Sur Ron was quick to send me a replacement lever and I had the opportunity to see what the tubes look like. They are a bit light-duty for a bike of this weight. Knowing that the Lightbee X comes standard with some thin tubes, I'm not surprised. Great for weight savings and range but I prefer to have some more protection inside my tires! 👍
@The Privateer I'll have some content with the Zero FX but here is the Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
This bike (90v) has 4.3ah I believe and the 104 volt model will have 5.7ah. I think range will be similar between them due to people riding the 104v more at higher speeds, but regardless should be between the 3.6ah and 7.2ah Zero FXs.
People overestimate range on electric motorcycles because speed has a giant impact on range. If I ride at 40mph on my Zero I get double the range compared to riding at 70mph. It doubles again if I ride at 20mph. Electric bikes like the light bee often state range using 20mph and motorcycles like the Zero state range using 40mph as the standard, so your results may vary considerably.
Says plenty of power then hits the tree and just say ooohhh . Love that
@Jermaine Robinson Haha
XR400 is right on the money, heavy comfy, great for open fire trails, great for soft sand dunes and open long high speed trails, but I'm shocked at how well its handling the technical stuff though, I would never had done that on my old XR400.
your xr will ride when all this electric junk is dead...and it gifs you feelin and a sound...
@@izom Yeh if you can ever get the basted started, TBH I rid a hard core electric mountain bike now, and I enjoy that more than I ever enjoyed my trail bikes.
Did you get a chance to look at the spokes afterwards? I know the wheels are kind of a weak point on the Sur-Rons. Bike looks like a heck of a lot of fun. Hit 70mph pretty quick and it seemed super stable.
My question is about the range. How long can you ride it under normal enduro style riding conditions. Some uphill, downhill, flatland riding.
Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
Like to see the stark and the bee side x side compair 👍
@ktm 500 6 days Hopefully soon. Until then, here is the Storm Bee and KTM Freeride comparison: th-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/w-d-xo.html
Heck yeah! Can't wait for your full review! I would love to know your thoughts when compared to the KTM FR.
I mainly ride trials, light Enduro, and some woods riding. I bought a Talaria as proof of concept and always thought the KTM was my end goal, but who knows maybe it will be the Stormbee.
@R Wolfcastle For sure! I'll get into detail and address that in the coming videos. Thanks for the note 👍
Have the Husky 501 and ride same as you except moderate to technical enduro. Bought the talaria sting for my wife and me to ride around town on the bike trails and love them! Ordered the Stark Varg and can't wait for delivery. The 501 weighs 260 loaded with gear and fuel BTW. I have full faith the electric bikes will take over sooner than later.
@@SunKing2010 I'm a big fan of the 501! A very close friend of mine owns a 2019 and it's been an awesome machine. Cool to hear you've got the Sting to ride around. Very different from your 501 but super fun in the right environment. My hope is for the eMoto bikes to eventually solve the range (and charging) dilemma. If and when that happens, there will be some hard decisions to be made when it comes time to buy a bike... Still 2T and 4T bikes in my garage until that time comes though.
@@SunKing2010
I had a great ride on my friend's 501! I have a 300 but I love that bike too.
@GeoMac Granddad Both awesome bikes!!
Looks like a real emotorcross bike👍👍😎😎
@Scuba Trucker 👍👍
I cant wait to have 2 hours of fun on my 4 day bike trip!
Would love to know range, and how range changes depending on terrain or speed.
Ask and you shall receive! Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
Sweet video, loved the speed!
You're fast and you made the bike like like tons of fun.
Can’t get past that vertical shock angle.. what’s up with that? Seems like it would blow through stroke super easily without any progression..
This is something I wish existed when I was younger. Too many times the 2-stroke noise was a beacon for authorities and Karen"s having a problem with the noise LOL.
I love the way they look, I love the idea of having one... BUT charging one and 100 pounds heavier than my husqy 350. This is something I could only own if I kept my stable.
You had me at "Turbo Button." 😂
@Race Provisions TURBO!!!
Nice bit of kit looks great .
I own the storm bee in the UK only ridden 20 miles in 11 months since taking delivery. I must get out more! You should put hand guards on it - bike looks better with them!
Hope to see the full review quickly and a comparison with the Freeride and the Alta mxr.
Best ebike design ever like enduro❤
Mmm, coming from a DR650 in the Socal area, this might be my next bike. Thanks.
Wow, those trails are technical!! Where is this video filmed? Also, do you think you could do another video on this bike like in 6 months or longer just to check up on it and see how it's holding up?
I'll give a sub...
Looks fun as hell!
Overall a good bike. Not a mx bike but most people use a bike like you rode this today.
That looks like the terrain I'm used to riding here in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I'm really interested in an electric dirt bike, just to see how much more wildlife I can 'sneak' up on. I see a TON of deer, turkeys and once in a great while, a coyote...how much more would I get to see with a much quieter bike. Good ride, thanks.
My biggest concern is the throttle control.. Does it feel like your riding a on/off motor.. or smooth roll on from bottom to top of the power curve?
Same , i like the slack you get from two strokes & their clutch and dislike the clunky eager industrial feel of four strokes they're unforgiving , their like an angle grinder vs a cordless drill
Love my light bee x!! This thing looks knarly
Cool dirt bike thing rips boi 💯⚡💥👀
Sur Ron should just make a Light Bee that comes with upgraded controller and 72v battery. It would save a lot of people a lot of money on all of the aftermarket upgrades, and Sur Ron would sell tons of them. This Storm Bee model is in a whole other class for sure. Looks good. Cheers.
they did for limeted time
-Turbo-Button- "Mystery Button"
Save us some suspense would ya? Thanks! Fun video...
Color options? Price about? Top speed? Battery life, both just cruising and doing a more full send run? Maybe how much a battery is also? All these questions would he neat to answer in the next one. Just giving suggestions thankyou have a good day.
Just went camping with my boys, have 3 dirt bikes, a 450, 300, 230 all Kawasaki. I think this tech is cool, so much quieter but if your camping for days how do you charge it? How long does it take to charge? Would you have to run a generator for hours to charge it?
I pretty much ride single track 98% of the time and this is exactly what the editor world has been waiting for. I’d love to put it to hard testing through rocky stuff in PA and WV
Don't see electric being good for technical single track. The way the power would come on i don't see me liking it at all....i like to be able to control my power with the clutch. You would have to have traction control to prevent wheel spin and anyone who knows anything about traction control knows when you want and need the power but your spinning the engine falls flat on its face.
@Electric Cycle Rider where is this? THE TERRAIN IS AWESOME & BEAUTIFUL. GREAT VIDEO THANKS.
Questions:
The bike you were riding looks to be a street legal model. Will SurRon offer both street legal enduro and full on motocross model? What is the actual battery size in terms of kWh? Suspension travel?
Comments:
I went back to your video list and saw the only Zero you have ridden is the DSR. The Storm Bee would be far more comparable to an FX. Especially an FX with a set of knobby tires and a chain conversion. It would be great if you could talk your local dealer who lent you the DSR to lend you a dirt equipped FX and compare it to the Storm Bee. I've seen websites mentioning the Storm Bee will be about $10,400 when released in the US. That is pretty close to the FX price.
I strictly race harescrambles on the east coast. I'd love to have an electric bike to race with. Currently I race a ktm 250 2stroke with a rekluse clutch.
What would be the best option for me? Can the battery (or an upgraded battery) last a full 2hr+ race? If not is there a model that has a quick swap capability?
Hey thanks for the great video! Which one would you take between the ktm freeride e-xc and the storm bee? For enduro and trail riding?
@Philippe Moisan Answer to your question here: th-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/w-d-xo.html
@@ElectricCycleRider Thanks, very good video.
There is nothing you can do about the weight for the most part, but it sounds like the power and chasis is there, and the suspension is lacking....That's actually a really optimistic outlook for the bike, suspension is one of the easier things to tweak, adjust, or replace. you can't say the same for power or chassis. Go look at the Talaria and Suron aftermarket, about the only thing that isn't getting upgraded on those is the motor and the chassis, and there are even options out there for chassis right now.
I have a older drz400e that is good for me that thing looks fun and I don't usually like electric stuff I want to see the range on that bad boy
Could you show the battery removal process? My garage has no wall socket. Do you see a chance to deploy a cart with a crane, for handling the battery? Thanks in advance.
what do you think needs to change on it for it to be a bad ass dirt bike?
Would you guys get this thing over a regular 4-stroke 450? I really like the idea of not bothering anyone/having more places to ride
Where it was filmed? Absolutely stunning location!
Such a beautiful nature
Thank you for your review. Btw congrats on the TKO race. Impressive.
I’m ready to buy a Electric motion escape R and after this video I’m not sure anymore !?!? I’m 60 years old and like to ride single track. My concern with the storm bee would be the additional 90 lbs weight between these 2 bikes. What are your thoughts and advice. Thank you.
it looks so incredibly fast with 30fps, I checked if I had fast forward turned on😄
@Daniel Recker 😂
Great video! Can it be charged on north American 120/240volts?
It looks like a blast but I can't help but feel like I'll still have more fun on my Surron XX on trails like this. This feels more like a dualsport that doesn't excel at any specific thing other than maybe acceleration.
First question: What state is that? Looks amazing.
Would like to see a few different range test.
And, ..... This turbo button you speak of 🤔
I think Colorado.
I live in Colorado. I'll cover the TURBO button in the review but in the meantime, here is the Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
"I do think this bike was intended as an enduro bike...but maybe more of a... mellow enduro type environment." 😂
could you do a top speed one the street and a range test on street / highway and dirt both miles and hours / minutes range estimate / make your best guess. also will there be battery range upgrades or quick swap / ways to add batteries for more range capabilities ?
This thing is going to change the face of motorcycles imho. Only question I have is range, and charging requirements....120v? 220v? Can it be charged with a generator while camping?
You'll probably get a charger based on your country. Mine is 240v for Mongolia. Yes, you can charge it with a substantial generator. I've got a diesel generator 4.5kW and it works. I can check the amperage of the charger if you want.
Awesome to see a dirt focused electric dual spot! Would it be legal
In CA ? What’s the range ?
Everything is illegal in CA.
Storm Bee battery range test video: th-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/w-d-xo.html
Hello, great video! I want to ask what is your setup for taking the videos? thanks
How would you compare this to the STARK VARG? since this can be street legal its so much more of a sale for me. I am not a MX rider i just want a nice offroad bike that i can ride to work some times
In the start up sequence, did u say the right hand is the rear brake?
I would like a comparison to the EM Escape. Thanks.
Great vid! I have just bought a KTM E-XC. I am keen to know more about your Storm BEE. Can you give an indication of miles or time you get per charge. Also what time of riding this is on. Mode too. highest mode or an in between mode? I am not sure about the KTM and thinking of swapping it in for a storm BEE. Thanks in advance.
@jamie cameron More info coming soon!
@jamie cameron More info here: th-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/w-d-xo.html
When you pushed the high low beam button. Did I see the cluster move?
You had me at 'DR', I want one for town 👍
Dude this is sick and I need one. It’s the best. Compared to the nicot ebeast surron is on top! I love my light bee x. I need a storm bee for the trails!
Looks pretty cool. The thing I'm curious about is really really slow trails, how does it do with slow uphill stuff? Is it just all down to throttle control? I'm just trying to understand how it works without a clutch to manage putting the power to the ground. I'm envisioning some stuff I've ridden where I'm climbing very loose/sandy steep trails and by the nature of the trail I can't have a lot of speed. I can feather the clutch and manage exactly how much wheelspin or no wheelspin I want at various points. Also is there a way to disengage the drive? Again I'm just struggling with the thought of no clutch, what if you want to free wheel roll down a hill with no resistance from the drivetrain?
computers man. esc’s handle most of that
Have to say, I’m totally weirded out by the REAR brake being where the front brake usually is on a motorcycle.