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I tried the LBX about 1.5 years ago. It was too small for me and I wasn't keen on the mods needed to fit me. I'm 187cm (6' 1.5") and 85kg (187 lbs) with a long torso. A while later, a used pre-release Storm Bee became available. I rode it, loved it and bought it. It's an awesome bike for my size and style. I don't do motocross tracks but we have endless open country to explore in Mongolia. So it works well for that. However, it's limited by its height and weight to less technical trails. So a few weeks ago, I added the Ultra Bee which inspires more confidence in me to take on steep, technical trails. Whereas, I'd tip over on the Storm Bee, I can catch the Ultra Bee before I drop it. It's so light for me and lower which really helps on steep hills. I love them both and I'm glad I can afford both. They are also cheaper to buy in Mongolia by about $1200 or so because we are next door to China. I paid $5200 OTD for the Ultra Bee (new) and $7200 for the Storm Bee (used).
Ultrabee is for sure my next bike, next size up and much more bang for the buck over the lightbee for off-roading purposes at least. Brakes and suspension not being MTB based is a huge factor I feel needs to be considered. Being over 100lbs lighter then stormbee is a huge for keeping bike light and nimble.
@@ElectricCycleRider I wonder if this is the same for taller and heavier riders? It would be interesting if you could do a comparison for a rider around 6 + feet and around 80 + kg. Put a larger, skilled rider on each and get their opinion. It might help us bigger dudes sort out which bike suits us.
I agree with you. After owning a light bee for around a year and a half i think it would be cool to upgrade to the ultra bee. However a big problem that is see with it is the looks. I live in the suburbs of chicago, riding through parks, streets and the bike path. But the ultra bee just wouldnt fit in, in my area, it looks too much like a dirt bike to fly under the radar.
@@johnbrown562 yep and that’s why each bike has different traits that suit the individual rider. The smaller lightbee is more stealthy and more suited for urban scenarios, while still being an amazing tight single track ripper, but the caveat to it is that is uses under powered MTB brakes and suspension. The ultra bee while being less stealthy has all the things a lot of us lightbee owners have always wanted, motorcycle brakes, bigger beefier suspension, a more traditional moto style seat, a wider frame to bite down onto.
I’ve had a Light Bee for 4 years. I recently upgraded to a 72 Volt/BAC 4000. I’m 80 and I like the light weight. I live in a small town in Idaho(Twin Falls)and wish there was a local shop that had some expertise on electric propulsion systems. Idaho just got a Zero dealer (Idaho Falls). I’ve had 3 Sondors Ebikes and bought a Metacycle. Not happy with it! The SurRon is more fun. If the UltraBee had been available I probably would’ve gotten it. Thanks for the info/video.
Heading for Idaho from MN next week. I lived in Caldwell while I was stationed at a radar site near Wilder. The Owyhees would be a great place to ride these. Used to go 4 wheeling out there.
That's why I keep going back to the 'X'...it looks small enough to not stand out if I want to hooligan. Just wish you could mod them at build, so not have to pay so much extra and then have the stock parts laying around. BTW: Don't forget, we can go to Fountain Creek, Pueblo, Penrose Commons, Seep Springs, Texas Creek...even Dragon Mans!
yea i wish surron would make like a "light bee XR". it would be like an upgraded light bee with like 10kw, slightly better suspension, better brakes and maybe a 3kwh battery. But still remaining in the same formfactor to fly under the radar.
Bro the light bee x is just as illegal as the ultra bee I’m tired of hearing this argument for a grown adult male the light bee x is like a childrens bike the size difference is not as big as everyone is trying to make it seem
Surron missed out big time not recognising that. Your best option could be to go to a dealer who can get spare parts , it is possible to build up a surrron that way depending on how much aftermarket stuff your getting
Thanks for these reviews, it really helps to see side-by-side differences between them. Really interested to see what mods would you do on a Storm Bee! I bought the Storm Bee just 2 days ago and also tested the Ultra Bee at the same time. For me Storm feels like a better bike - much more powerful, feels more solid, and that gearbox sounds is just amazing! Ultra Bee felt a bit underpowered, it immediately needs a new set of wheels and probably a suspension tune. I am very interested in what kind of mods we will see for both bikes.
I bought a Strom Bee a year ago (the cross version, 90V48AH) and now seeing the new version with the 105V55AH battery, I want it! I wonder if it's possible to buy the battery separately...? STORM BEE - TOP!
@@sixsmoke It's a good question, I rode both models and the way the battery is secured in the bike was different between the 90v and the 105v. It appeared to be the same size but I'm not entirely sure.
@@ElectricCycleRider You said that you have an idea to test making the Storm Bee more racy. Without spoiling what I assume is your future video, what mods are you considering? Is it only about suspension or is there more to it?
StormBee looks like an E-Husqvarna. I really want one, but you couldn’t take it to the dunes, or mud without the batteries being depleted quickly. Seems like E-bikes still have a long ways to go before they truly can compete with a petrol burning bike. Still they look incredibly fun, and I would love a Surron for exploring smaller trails or adventuring around locally.
This, the surron is a great city/ light trail e bike but for a day out riding ( 5 + hours) I'll take an petrol.atv or 4stroke DB, he'll even sxs are a riot
At 6ft. The light Bee would be like a mountain bike with a non adjustable seat. The ultra seems like it will be a good fit. I have a DRZ, so don't really want something that big. Thanks for the lineup!
Great video! Excited to see your full review on ultra bee! And also mods that come out for it Ultra. EBMX already has upgrade battery 82v 75ah and controller for the Ultra . Hope Chi makes a batter as well
@TheShreditor For sure, we sell th EBMX X9000 controller on our site as well. It'll be a bit longer before that is an option for purchase for the Ultra but looking forward to trying it. We've got some wheel options and suspension options coming soon as well too. Will be fun to try everything!
Great job on the video folks! Thanks for making it. I think I really just want to get a light bee. If for no other reason than just for the ability to use just about any hitch-mounted bike carrier to pop it on the back of my 4runner and take it out to the desert. Now if I had a trailer I would probably be all about the new Ultra Bee
@Hobbies4Hire Thanks! The Light Bee is great but you can easily put the Ultra Bee on a hitch mounted carrier! I wouldn't let that hold you back. While it may be heavy for a bicycle specific carrier, I've put bikes as heavy as a KLR650 on a hitch carrier. 👍
Thanks for the review. I'm 6'4" & 230 lbs. I think I'm stuck with the Storm Bee as my model just due to size issues haha. I would mostly be using it for mountain trail riding in Utah as well. Agree or disagree?
Maybe the main question should be: How many battery’s do you need for a day of fun? How many ride hr before the battery drop 80% condition, and then 60% condition. How much is a battery and how easy are they to get your hands on?
I've had heavy street bikes. Had alot of fun on stock surron once.. But I felt I needed one with 12kw. Now I'm in dubious if I don't just need a ultra bee. However I'm afraid it's heavier and loses the nimbly. But then again it's not even that fast. So then the storm comes in. But at that moment it's even heavier....
I hope in the full Ultra Bee reviewed Tucker touches on the traction control. I’ve just read that if you change the wheel size from 19 the traction control is not going to function properly anymore. I’m a fan of traction control on my dirt bike and it seems it would be a great addition to the Ultra Bee so this is an interesting topic I think.
@mattcgtx Thanks. I'll get into traction control in the full review and you heard correctly, swapping the wheel for a different size will not allow for the use of traction control. I imagine there will be a work around in the future.
Thanks for the reply! Hopefully a work around since I assume Storm Bee has TC with 18/21. For me just debating whether to go 18/21 or get a good set of 19” wheels to replace stock ones.
@ElectricCycleRider What mods can we expect to see come out for the Ultra Bee? Also, what would you want to mod on the Ultra Bee to get the best performance? ie: wheel size set, battery, controller, suspension I just ordered my Ultra Bee after building out my Light Bee, and I'm quite excited to get the Ultra Bee build kicked off
@Philip Pinto Great question! We're sorting out parts for the Ultra as we speak and will have options at ECR Parts [ parts.electriccyclerider.com/ ] when they're ready. In order of importance to me, I'm going to say 21/18 wheel combo, suspension mods/upgrade, and a controller. I don't think the bike needs a ton more power, so it may be possible to utilize the stock battery, but we'll see once we try a controller. It's putting out 12.5kW peak right now and I think 15-18kW would make it amazing. Trying out the 21/18 wheel combo this coming week and will report on that, with suspension and X9000 controller soon to follow! Should be fun. With those mods, I think the Ultra will be a pretty incredible bike.
I'm 230lb and 5'10 ish and even the light bee x is super fun to ride but on straight aways I think I get up to like 65km/hr which would be nice to get more but I mostly trail ride and not many trails near me you can even go 60 lol
Yes, tried the light, too small. I'm 5'10" 165lbs. It seemed like a kids bike. The Storm, imo, is a pig, way too heavy! I bought a Electric Motion Escape and love it at 183lbs. Just ordered the Ultra 187lbs!! , very excited about spec, weight and size, seems perfect. I enjoy super techy rides. Bought a Beta 300 Xtrainer for riding in Moab this second with friends on ktm300s. Just got injured yesterday, sitting out now, sucks!!!! If I had EME there would be no injury. Beta is great, needed the range but EME will crush it when you hit the toughest rock climbs. Hoping the Ultra is a great techy trail bike too.
If weight isn’t a concern I’ll take the ultra but the lbx looks like a mountain bike which is a pro if u wanna go every and anywhere without attracting too much attention
Wow... for once a great product video that convinces me the smallest one is probably enough for my wants as a van life 2nd vehicle hood crawler type thing.
Thanks for the comparo! I’m torn between the Ultra and Super. I love the idea of the Light Bee, but afraid I’d soon want something more substantial. Why do you think Surron stayed with 19” front wheel on the Ultra Bee - doesn’t a 21” alway roll over obstacles better? Would a 21” swap on the front of an Ultra change the geometry too much and slow the steering?
@Bryan Dickerson For sure. It's my assumption that Surron stayed with a 19" because it's the most affordable option and allows them to keep the MSRP low. I'm testing a 21/18 on the Ultra this week and will post about it. I think it will correct the geometry issues that I'm experiencing. I think it currently sits slightly too high in the rear and low in the front and has some nervous tendencies in corners. Hoping the 21" will cure that.
Thanks for another video on the Ultra Bee. Just have a question regarding the top heaviness of the ultra bee compared it's similar sized petrol counterparts like ktm 200exc,150exc, other and other 150cc type 4/2 strokes. How is the weight distributed compared to these bikes?
@Rirrid It's really hard to compare these bikes to ICE bikes in a lot of ways but I currently have a Husqvarna TC125 2 stroke and the Ultra Bee feels much lighter to me!
I have owned a TRX450 and rode a lot of quad bikes and BMX'ed a little as a kid. I moved into skateboarding and even built an E board but now im in my 30's and trick skating is just too hard on my back. My wallet is fat these days and even my 7 year old E board shocked me with the range and performance so I knew a nice ebike would be stellar. Soooooo my first motorcycle is gonna be an Ultra Bee!!! Im 6'2" 230 lbs So I know that light bee is just gonna be too small for me eventually. Should be here in a few weeks! Anyone got any tips?
Another gr8 review! With more videos like this, the easier it will be for riders to make a better choice. For me the LB is an electric mountain bike - and the others would be classed as electric motorcycles. For urban riders with no garage, you may need to be able to easily lift and carry the battery out the LB to charge up and charging even on AC household is about 3 hours. Taller riders would most likely naturally go for the other two bikes :)
Zero is faster and more range .. but cant do deep mud becouse of belt or jump becouse of frame .. stormbee is cheaper and cheaper parts and right of repair !!! Zero doesnt !!! .. but its a beast
What kind of suspension would you recommend putting on the light bee x in order to hit the track/jumps? I'm interested in doing ohlins downhill forks and rear shock. Have also seen people do fox 40s, Manitou dorado, marzocchi bomber, fast ace, ext Ferro, or even 85cc mx front ends. Which would you recommend for the best weight and performance??
I’m confused…. What about the surron x ? I guess I don’t know all the models ….. Are these older models / model names ? Is surron X newer than the three you profiled ? I’m looking to buy one …. have no clue which one to go with …..
I had an electric bike I bought it for myself BECAUSE I LOST MY left leg and half my foot on right leg because I needed to get around I had it 2weeks and it got stolen on me I get so depressed Now I can afford to buy another one I loved my electric bike and I miss it now I can't get out and I watch yous all the time I love your bikes and maybe some day I might own one again
I was thinking about getting a Storm Bee but i only intend to ride woods and slower more technical enduro. I can i magine the Ultra feels more like a big mtb rather than a moto which i would suit me better for play riding.
I still stand by it: the Sur Ron is the most fun bike I have ever ridden. I have a YZ250, WR250R with dirts and supermotos. Rode a FZ-07, Ninja 400, 636, Harley, Grom, Monkey, Buell, CRF450, TTR125, etc. It’s just a ridiculously fun bike. Quiet enough to do stupid stuff whenever wherever. Still fast enough to blend with traffic and commute. The Light Bee is so compact and fun. Fits inside a BMW 435i Gran Coupe. It’s light and nimble. Ultra Bee looks solid and it’s lighter than a YZ250. But the Storm Bee, 280lbs…. No thanks. The WR250 is a lot of work off road and it’s just too heavy for now I enjoy riding. Ultra Bee is a solid winner if you got the cash. OG Sur Ron is gonna be a classic.
Thanks for the info. I'm just concerned the Light Bee, or Ultra Bee is just not as sturdy enough for any faster passed jumping - like a YZ250 on a Vet MX track unless the rider is very light, about 150# or less. I don't know if the 19" wheels are an issue for riders comfortable with the 21/18s?
How long would it take to learn to ride that track in a similar manner as you? How long before someone could make those jumps? I rode dirt bikes when I was little, never on a track though just on the farm and stuff. I guess I’m curious how long it would take me to be able to ride like you are on this track, albeit not as quick or as proficiently as you, but to an acceptable level.
My Gf Just preordered the Light bee x In That Purple color so she Can ride with me on my Talaria. Can not Wait!! she wanted the Phantom Purple so ETA is April/may
Hello John, this is the light bee x or s? Really good video, Great info prior to make my next purchase😊 I was looking at the Ultra but would like to do a bit of streets riding so I am now looking at the light bee x.... but having a KTM300XC I may find the light x too smooth . Have you try the storm one?
Love the video!! I'm totally new to the electric MX scene... would you equate the power of the Light Bee to an 85 or 125, the Ultra Bee 250 and the Storm Bee 400? Or perhaps 85, 125 and 250? Or is that just too simplistic a comparison? Just trying to figure out how these bikes compare to their gas powered cousins. (I currently ride a KTM 250 exc) Thanks!
I own the following: (from least fun to most fun) Yamaha XT-250, Surron-x, DRZ-400, WRX-250, KTM XC300W. The surron X is WAY more capable off-road, or on-road than an XT-250, Depending upon the task, Historically I rode the WRX or the DRZ depending upon mission. I now use the Surron or the XC300.
the power on the light bee could best be compared to like a 125 4 stroke (just more snappy). And while i haven't ridden the others i would guess the ultra bee would be like a 2 stroke 125 and the storm bee would probably be some where in the same ball park due to this video saying they are similar in performance.
I have been riding Light Bee for a year. The problem is the small size. I think Ultra Bee has the best balance. However, it is quite expensive in Japan.
@JAS Great question and a pretty loaded one. I would still want to mod an Ultra, but it would require less upgrades than an Light Bee. Which bike is better depends on the environment. I've got my Light Bee's running pretty damn good right now and strongly feel like the Ultra needs a 21/18 and some suspension tuning. Hard to beat the ergonomics of the Ultra though. It's a tough one to answer but a modded Ultra will be an incredible bike for the type of riding that I'm doing.
Regardless how how much you build a lightbee, yes you can build it to be much faster then ultra, BUT you will never have good brakes in comparison, nor the seating ergonomics.
@blackpepe if you're not joking that's the most insane reasoning I think I'll read today. I'd ask you to explain yourself but you really can't. There's tons of incentives all over the US to buy electric vehicles. A lot of politicians are pushing for them. Neither of the people you named even have rhe power to determine the price of the bike. It's the companies choice. Inflation is based on countless factors. It's not 2 people out of 332 million you happen to not like.
@@LurkingLeviathan During Trumps Turn everything was cheap common sense man lol!!!! unless your living under rock with gold bars then nothing to worry about right?
It would be so challenging to judge jump speed without having a gearbox and/or RPM to listen to for speed checking jumps to consistently do them lap after lap
@BigRed Good question. No, it does not feel like it has more power than my BAC8000 72v Light Bee. I do think it has adequate power for a stock bike and plenty of people will enjoy it in stock form but I think more experienced off road riders will want some more power or at least run a bigger sprocket for more torque.
Great videos! I have been following the scene for a while now, and I’m guessing that the ultra Bee is more like the old Quantyas? Size and performance? Would you agree? Also the suspension upgrade on the Ultra Bee would it be be more along the lines of mountain bike componentry or motocross…? Thanks again from New York!
So I wanna get my first surron but idk if. Should get talaria sting mx3 or 4 I’m 31 years old I want something that I just ride places like work and stuff and ride everywhere with no problems
Grey review,but I do have a question. It looks like they are sold as off road, in US and Canad. Can you title this, and drive as a daily? This was not answered, even though it was referenced as a style of bike “dual sport”, as a comparison. Just want to ride on road as well.
So I wanna get my first surron which one would you remember I’m 5’7 to 5’8 I want something I can ride to work and drive around and cruise places whic model will be best for me I’m 31 years old
How long will one of these actually last? Like how long until I’d have to replace the battery and how expensive would that be? Seems like just as much as a gas dirt bike for a guaranteed shorter life span.
I'm not sure about longevity, but it's super fun to ride. Especially if you live in a more urban area. The quietness of it won't draw any attention and you can rip around just as you would on a dirt bike.
Ultra Bee for me as I'm a larger rider. I own an LBX and its too small for my liking but I mostly bought it for my 15 year old. I'm not sure if I want to sell it and get a Talaria Mx4 (2 inches taller + more power) or sell it and get an Ultra Bee since my LBX only has about 200 miles on it and is less than a year old and pretty much mint. What mods would you do on the Ultra to improve it? It seems pretty solid from factory but curious as to your thoughts.
Very interested in an Ultra Bee for trail riding and if possible, supermoto track days with some 17” wheels. Will the battery/motor overheat on an asphalt/dirt supermoto track during a western USA summer track day? I can’t seem to find any info on anyone doing any SM kart track riding with these but that seems like it would be a ton of fun. I’d rather not have to deal with another gas bike and all the track prep that goes with it and have done some track days in NY on a Zero FXS that was a lot of fun. I got a few temperature warnings on the hotter summer days but never went into limp mode. Had a generator and pit power to keep it charged up between sessions which seemed to work fine. Interested to hear any thoughts or experience with an Ultra SM doing track days.
i'm 6'4" and like to send it so i really can't decide between the performance of the Ultra and the size of the Storm. literally stuck in the middle lol
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Ultra Bee. I just pre-ordered one to ride with our son who has a LBX. Can't wait for delivery in May from CCWs!
STARK VARG LOL, JK I still Love my Segway X260 it's the 1 I bought thanks to you Tucker😉
Can't understand why these things go for $12k or MORE!! Yes they are cool but they should come with a permanent girlfriend for that much $$$
Sorry I finally got artic leopard here. Surons gone to new owner. Leopard is 3x the machine. 25kw 35hp and 800 ft lbs of torque. Gas machines drewl
Ultra Bee is ballsie enough for me
I tried the LBX about 1.5 years ago. It was too small for me and I wasn't keen on the mods needed to fit me. I'm 187cm (6' 1.5") and 85kg (187 lbs) with a long torso. A while later, a used pre-release Storm Bee became available. I rode it, loved it and bought it. It's an awesome bike for my size and style. I don't do motocross tracks but we have endless open country to explore in Mongolia. So it works well for that. However, it's limited by its height and weight to less technical trails.
So a few weeks ago, I added the Ultra Bee which inspires more confidence in me to take on steep, technical trails. Whereas, I'd tip over on the Storm Bee, I can catch the Ultra Bee before I drop it. It's so light for me and lower which really helps on steep hills.
I love them both and I'm glad I can afford both. They are also cheaper to buy in Mongolia by about $1200 or so because we are next door to China. I paid $5200 OTD for the Ultra Bee (new) and $7200 for the Storm Bee (used).
Mongolia must be so fun for biking.
@@jakebarnes3054 It is incredible.
will the lbx be good for be i’m 5’5and 13
Hey, I am 190cm and 105kg, and likewise tall in the torso, if I am primary looking to do trails, should I consider more the Ultra bee?
@@flimflam7271 I think it would be okay but you might want handle bar risers.
Really loving this comparison video. Excellent job as always. I think a lot of people have been waiting for this one.
Appreciate it!
Ultrabee is for sure my next bike, next size up and much more bang for the buck over the lightbee for off-roading purposes at least. Brakes and suspension not being MTB based is a huge factor I feel needs to be considered. Being over 100lbs lighter then stormbee is a huge for keeping bike light and nimble.
@Surron SD Yup! I agree! Modded Ultra is going to be hard to beat.
@@ElectricCycleRider I wonder if this is the same for taller and heavier riders? It would be interesting if you could do a comparison for a rider around 6 + feet and around 80 + kg. Put a larger, skilled rider on each and get their opinion. It might help us bigger dudes sort out which bike suits us.
I agree with you. After owning a light bee for around a year and a half i think it would be cool to upgrade to the ultra bee. However a big problem that is see with it is the looks. I live in the suburbs of chicago, riding through parks, streets and the bike path. But the ultra bee just wouldnt fit in, in my area, it looks too much like a dirt bike to fly under the radar.
@@johnbrown562 yep and that’s why each bike has different traits that suit the individual rider. The smaller lightbee is more stealthy and more suited for urban scenarios, while still being an amazing tight single track ripper, but the caveat to it is that is uses under powered MTB brakes and suspension. The ultra bee while being less stealthy has all the things a lot of us lightbee owners have always wanted, motorcycle brakes, bigger beefier suspension, a more traditional moto style seat, a wider frame to bite down onto.
@@markwilton4412much over 80kg😝
I’m 110kg & 189cm so most of these bikes are too small.
Ultra Bee looks like the pick. I’m yet to ride one though.
I’ve had a Light Bee for 4 years. I recently upgraded to a 72 Volt/BAC 4000. I’m 80 and I like the light weight. I live in a small town in Idaho(Twin Falls)and wish there was a local shop that had some expertise on electric propulsion systems. Idaho just got a Zero dealer (Idaho Falls). I’ve had 3 Sondors Ebikes and bought a Metacycle. Not happy with it! The SurRon is more fun. If the UltraBee had been available I probably would’ve gotten it. Thanks for the info/video.
Heading for Idaho from MN next week.
I lived in Caldwell while I was stationed at a radar site near Wilder.
The Owyhees would be a great place to ride these. Used to go 4 wheeling out there.
That's why I keep going back to the 'X'...it looks small enough to not stand out if I want to hooligan. Just wish you could mod them at build, so not have to pay so much extra and then have the stock parts laying around. BTW: Don't forget, we can go to Fountain Creek, Pueblo, Penrose Commons, Seep Springs, Texas Creek...even Dragon Mans!
yea i wish surron would make like a "light bee XR". it would be like an upgraded light bee with like 10kw, slightly better suspension, better brakes and maybe a 3kwh battery. But still remaining in the same formfactor to fly under the radar.
Bro the light bee x is just as illegal as the ultra bee I’m tired of hearing this argument for a grown adult male the light bee x is like a childrens bike the size difference is not as big as everyone is trying to make it seem
Surron missed out big time not recognising that. Your best option could be to go to a dealer who can get spare parts , it is possible to build up a surrron that way depending on how much aftermarket stuff your getting
Luna's talaria R is like a built sur Ron for about the price of a stock one..
Thanks for these reviews, it really helps to see side-by-side differences between them. Really interested to see what mods would you do on a Storm Bee!
I bought the Storm Bee just 2 days ago and also tested the Ultra Bee at the same time. For me Storm feels like a better bike - much more powerful, feels more solid, and that gearbox sounds is just amazing! Ultra Bee felt a bit underpowered, it immediately needs a new set of wheels and probably a suspension tune. I am very interested in what kind of mods we will see for both bikes.
I bought a Strom Bee a year ago (the cross version, 90V48AH) and now seeing the new version with the 105V55AH battery, I want it! I wonder if it's possible to buy the battery separately...?
STORM BEE - TOP!
@Laurynas Great to hear your perspective on it! Agree the modification offerings will be interesting for the Ultra. Looking forward to trying them!
@@sixsmoke It's a good question, I rode both models and the way the battery is secured in the bike was different between the 90v and the 105v. It appeared to be the same size but I'm not entirely sure.
@@ElectricCycleRider You said that you have an idea to test making the Storm Bee more racy. Without spoiling what I assume is your future video, what mods are you considering? Is it only about suspension or is there more to it?
@@ElectricCycleRider Ohhh... =( That's too bad. But thanks for the answer.
StormBee looks like an E-Husqvarna. I really want one, but you couldn’t take it to the dunes, or mud without the batteries being depleted quickly. Seems like E-bikes still have a long ways to go before they truly can compete with a petrol burning bike.
Still they look incredibly fun, and I would love a Surron for exploring smaller trails or adventuring around locally.
This, the surron is a great city/ light trail e bike but for a day out riding ( 5 + hours) I'll take an petrol.atv or 4stroke DB, he'll even sxs are a riot
There we go, bought an Ultra Bee and going to pick it up Today! 🖖
Thanks for this video, it really helped me chose!
Excellent review of each bike!
At 6ft. The light Bee would be like a mountain bike with a non adjustable seat. The ultra seems like it will be a good fit. I have a DRZ, so don't really want something that big. Thanks for the lineup!
You'll definitely feel better on the Ultra. And a set of taller bars will go a long way!
Hey, I'm also 6ft and and a DR-Z400 is my main bike. Thanks!
Great video! Excited to see your full review on ultra bee! And also mods that come out for it Ultra.
EBMX already has upgrade battery 82v 75ah and controller for the Ultra . Hope Chi makes a batter as well
I checked the EBMX website and don't see that upgrade. Is it an Australia only option?
@TheShreditor For sure, we sell th EBMX X9000 controller on our site as well. It'll be a bit longer before that is an option for purchase for the Ultra but looking forward to trying it. We've got some wheel options and suspension options coming soon as well too. Will be fun to try everything!
Amazing review, and fantastic footage.
Great job on the video folks! Thanks for making it. I think I really just want to get a light bee. If for no other reason than just for the ability to use just about any hitch-mounted bike carrier to pop it on the back of my 4runner and take it out to the desert. Now if I had a trailer I would probably be all about the new Ultra Bee
@Hobbies4Hire Thanks! The Light Bee is great but you can easily put the Ultra Bee on a hitch mounted carrier! I wouldn't let that hold you back. While it may be heavy for a bicycle specific carrier, I've put bikes as heavy as a KLR650 on a hitch carrier. 👍
Check out MotoTote $$$ but would work great for UB
Thanks for such an informative video. Deposit is in on the Ultra!👍👍
@Paul Danrich Solid choice! 👍
Thanks for the review. I'm 6'4" & 230 lbs. I think I'm stuck with the Storm Bee as my model just due to size issues haha. I would mostly be using it for mountain trail riding in Utah as well. Agree or disagree?
AGREE go for it
Ordered a Yolin dual motor-battery, beach cruiser.
Just ordered a 2024..Surron lbx...play bike.
Got the honda crf230f.
Life's Good 🇦🇺
Maybe the main question should be:
How many battery’s do you need for a day of fun?
How many ride hr before the battery drop 80% condition, and then 60% condition.
How much is a battery and how easy are they to get your hands on?
Awesome review man. Can’t wait to get the ultra and storm out in Hawaii for some killer trail riding.
I've had heavy street bikes. Had alot of fun on stock surron once.. But I felt I needed one with 12kw. Now I'm in dubious if I don't just need a ultra bee. However I'm afraid it's heavier and loses the nimbly. But then again it's not even that fast. So then the storm comes in. But at that moment it's even heavier....
I believe that three models cater all body types, one for each. I prefer the Ultra.
I hope in the full Ultra Bee reviewed Tucker touches on the traction control. I’ve just read that if you change the wheel size from 19 the traction control is not going to function properly anymore. I’m a fan of traction control on my dirt bike and it seems it would be a great addition to the Ultra Bee so this is an interesting topic I think.
@mattcgtx Thanks. I'll get into traction control in the full review and you heard correctly, swapping the wheel for a different size will not allow for the use of traction control. I imagine there will be a work around in the future.
Thanks for the reply!
Hopefully a work around since I assume Storm Bee has TC with 18/21.
For me just debating whether to go 18/21 or get a good set of 19” wheels to replace stock ones.
Looks like a fun one. Don't hit the track anymore but I'll bet it's fun on the trail!
@ElectricCycleRider What mods can we expect to see come out for the Ultra Bee? Also, what would you want to mod on the Ultra Bee to get the best performance? ie: wheel size set, battery, controller, suspension
I just ordered my Ultra Bee after building out my Light Bee, and I'm quite excited to get the Ultra Bee build kicked off
@Philip Pinto Great question! We're sorting out parts for the Ultra as we speak and will have options at ECR Parts [ parts.electriccyclerider.com/ ] when they're ready.
In order of importance to me, I'm going to say 21/18 wheel combo, suspension mods/upgrade, and a controller. I don't think the bike needs a ton more power, so it may be possible to utilize the stock battery, but we'll see once we try a controller. It's putting out 12.5kW peak right now and I think 15-18kW would make it amazing.
Trying out the 21/18 wheel combo this coming week and will report on that, with suspension and X9000 controller soon to follow! Should be fun. With those mods, I think the Ultra will be a pretty incredible bike.
@@ElectricCycleRider Awesome! I’m excited to see your reviews on the mods, and can’t wait to get my hands on some as well! Cheers
@@ElectricCycleRider we are working on seat covers, triangles, linkages and headlight conversions as well 😎🤘🏼🤘🏼
What’s a recommended weight and height to ride any of these bikes?
this is a great question
I'm 230lb and 5'10 ish and even the light bee x is super fun to ride but on straight aways I think I get up to like 65km/hr which would be nice to get more but I mostly trail ride and not many trails near me you can even go 60 lol
I like the middle I watch a lot of videos on it and that is the best one
Yes, tried the light, too small. I'm 5'10" 165lbs. It seemed like a kids bike. The Storm, imo, is a pig, way too heavy! I bought a Electric Motion Escape and love it at 183lbs. Just ordered the Ultra 187lbs!! , very excited about spec, weight and size, seems perfect. I enjoy super techy rides. Bought a Beta 300 Xtrainer for riding in Moab this second with friends on ktm300s. Just got injured yesterday, sitting out now, sucks!!!! If I had EME there would be no injury. Beta is great, needed the range but EME will crush it when you hit the toughest rock climbs. Hoping the Ultra is a great techy trail bike too.
I had an electric M and really didn’t like it. Surron for me as its so stealthy. Just my 2p’s worth 🙂
@@Ukmongoose3 really? Did like the EM? Which surron do you have/like?
ur 5,10 and the light is too small? crazy shit
@@lol-em6bj it just feels like a bmx bike and you feel every twig or stone. I just prefer something beefier.
If weight isn’t a concern I’ll take the ultra but the lbx looks like a mountain bike which is a pro if u wanna go every and anywhere without attracting too much attention
Wow... for once a great product video that convinces me the smallest one is probably enough for my wants as a van life 2nd vehicle hood crawler type thing.
Thanks for the comparo! I’m torn between the Ultra and Super. I love the idea of the Light Bee, but afraid I’d soon want something more substantial.
Why do you think Surron stayed with 19” front wheel on the Ultra Bee - doesn’t a 21” alway roll over obstacles better?
Would a 21” swap on the front of an Ultra change the geometry too much and slow the steering?
@Bryan Dickerson For sure. It's my assumption that Surron stayed with a 19" because it's the most affordable option and allows them to keep the MSRP low. I'm testing a 21/18 on the Ultra this week and will post about it. I think it will correct the geometry issues that I'm experiencing. I think it currently sits slightly too high in the rear and low in the front and has some nervous tendencies in corners. Hoping the 21" will cure that.
@@ElectricCycleRider That’s cool to think that a 21” on the Ultra might actually be a win-win. I look forward to seeing how that works out!
Thanks for another video on the Ultra Bee. Just have a question regarding the top heaviness of the ultra bee compared it's similar sized petrol counterparts like ktm 200exc,150exc, other and other 150cc type 4/2 strokes. How is the weight distributed compared to these bikes?
@Rirrid It's really hard to compare these bikes to ICE bikes in a lot of ways but I currently have a Husqvarna TC125 2 stroke and the Ultra Bee feels much lighter to me!
@@ElectricCycleRider Thank man just what I wanted to hear.
The Ultra Bee looks about the same size/weight as a KTM 85 or YZ 85. I expect the Ultra Bee is also intended for the same-size rider.
I have owned a TRX450 and rode a lot of quad bikes and BMX'ed a little as a kid. I moved into skateboarding and even built an E board but now im in my 30's and trick skating is just too hard on my back. My wallet is fat these days and even my 7 year old E board shocked me with the range and performance so I knew a nice ebike would be stellar. Soooooo my first motorcycle is gonna be an Ultra Bee!!! Im 6'2" 230 lbs So I know that light bee is just gonna be too small for me eventually. Should be here in a few weeks!
Anyone got any tips?
Yes bro I’ve been waiting for this for months!
Ultra Bee will be my next bike. Are we getting a version with signals, etc? Definitely want to get it plated.
@Michael Evans The US version will not have turn signals but the bike will be set up for it.
Another gr8 review! With more videos like this, the easier it will be for riders to make a better choice. For me the LB is an electric mountain bike - and the others would be classed as electric motorcycles. For urban riders with no garage, you may need to be able to easily lift and carry the battery out the LB to charge up and charging even on AC household is about 3 hours. Taller riders would most likely naturally go for the other two bikes :)
as someone that's 5'5 would it be possible for me ride a ultra bee or is it to big
Would you recommend the Storm Bee or Zero FX for street use that occasionally sees dirt?
Zero is faster and more range .. but cant do deep mud becouse of belt or jump becouse of frame .. stormbee is cheaper and cheaper parts and right of repair !!! Zero doesnt !!! .. but its a beast
Love this video!!
Now I want a Surron even more but also broke af 😭
What kind of suspension would you recommend putting on the light bee x in order to hit the track/jumps?
I'm interested in doing ohlins downhill forks and rear shock. Have also seen people do fox 40s, Manitou dorado, marzocchi bomber, fast ace, ext Ferro, or even 85cc mx front ends. Which would you recommend for the best weight and performance??
Thanks for sharing your riding experience. Do all three have whiskey throttles?
I’m confused…. What about the surron x ? I guess I don’t know all the models ….. Are these older models / model names ? Is surron X newer than the three you profiled ? I’m looking to buy one …. have no clue which one to go with …..
I had an electric bike I bought it for myself BECAUSE I LOST MY left leg and half my foot on right leg because I needed to get around I had it 2weeks and it got stolen on me I get so depressed Now I can afford to buy another one I loved my electric bike and I miss it now I can't get out and I watch yous all the time I love your bikes and maybe some day I might own one again
Thanks for the video, I live in Colorado... was that Berthoud ? I bought a light bee about six months ago, love it.
I was thinking about getting a Storm Bee but i only intend to ride woods and slower more technical enduro.
I can i magine the Ultra feels more like a big mtb rather than a moto which i would suit me better for play riding.
Awesome comparison video. I am waiting for the review of the legal in Commifornina vid.
I still stand by it: the Sur Ron is the most fun bike I have ever ridden. I have a YZ250, WR250R with dirts and supermotos. Rode a FZ-07, Ninja 400, 636, Harley, Grom, Monkey, Buell, CRF450, TTR125, etc.
It’s just a ridiculously fun bike. Quiet enough to do stupid stuff whenever wherever. Still fast enough to blend with traffic and commute.
The Light Bee is so compact and fun. Fits inside a BMW 435i Gran Coupe. It’s light and nimble. Ultra Bee looks solid and it’s lighter than a YZ250.
But the Storm Bee, 280lbs…. No thanks. The WR250 is a lot of work off road and it’s just too heavy for now I enjoy riding. Ultra Bee is a solid winner if you got the cash. OG Sur Ron is gonna be a classic.
Thanks for the info. I'm just concerned the Light Bee, or Ultra Bee is just not as sturdy enough for any faster passed jumping - like a YZ250 on a Vet MX track unless the rider is very light, about 150# or less. I don't know if the 19" wheels are an issue for riders comfortable with the 21/18s?
These things look awesome for very specific use cases. For general, I'd still prefer an ICE or a mountain bike.
Great video, where was it filmed?
How long would it take to learn to ride that track in a similar manner as you? How long before someone could make those jumps? I rode dirt bikes when I was little, never on a track though just on the farm and stuff. I guess I’m curious how long it would take me to be able to ride like you are on this track, albeit not as quick or as proficiently as you, but to an acceptable level.
Couple days bro just send it!
@@nickwaltman7586but dude I could break an ankle! Lol
I want the power of the storm in the Ultra bee. That would be the perfect bike
Great review Tucker.
@Michael Anderson 🙌
I'm also interested in version of Storm Bee which is more off-road focused that should outperform the smaller Ultra Bee in the MX track, for example.
My Gf Just preordered the Light bee x In That Purple color so she Can ride with me on my Talaria. Can not Wait!! she wanted the Phantom Purple so ETA is April/may
atleast take off the stickers on the phantom purple 😢
Hello John, this is the light bee x or s?
Really good video, Great info prior to make my next purchase😊 I was looking at the Ultra but would like to do a bit of streets riding so I am now looking at the light bee x.... but having a KTM300XC I may find the light x too smooth .
Have you try the storm one?
im impressed with how much air he's getting
Is this ram off-road park?
To modify and then compare again and your prefer/why buy this that bike! good thoughts!
I'm thinking of waiting for the new stark to come out, nervous about these bikes not being suited to my height and weight
Yeah smart thinking! These Sur Ron’s are OK, but their Chinese bikes at the end of the day. The stark is whole new level!
Love the video!! I'm totally new to the electric MX scene... would you equate the power of the Light Bee to an 85 or 125, the Ultra Bee 250 and the Storm Bee 400? Or perhaps 85, 125 and 250? Or is that just too simplistic a comparison? Just trying to figure out how these bikes compare to their gas powered cousins. (I currently ride a KTM 250 exc) Thanks!
I own the following: (from least fun to most fun) Yamaha XT-250, Surron-x, DRZ-400, WRX-250, KTM XC300W. The surron X is WAY more capable off-road, or on-road than an XT-250, Depending upon the task, Historically I rode the WRX or the DRZ depending upon mission. I now use the Surron or the XC300.
the power on the light bee could best be compared to like a 125 4 stroke (just more snappy). And while i haven't ridden the others i would guess the ultra bee would be like a 2 stroke 125 and the storm bee would probably be some where in the same ball park due to this video saying they are similar in performance.
Thanks for the review
Where at in Colorado is this track
The Surron x fits in my small hatchback 🚗 car 😎🤘
Im seeing this a year later and I’m just getting to see this company. For a start what would be the best Surron to get?
I have been riding Light Bee for a year. The problem is the small size. I think Ultra Bee has the best balance. However, it is quite expensive in Japan.
How would you compare a Ultra Bee to a fully modified/upgraded Light Bee?
@JAS Great question and a pretty loaded one. I would still want to mod an Ultra, but it would require less upgrades than an Light Bee. Which bike is better depends on the environment. I've got my Light Bee's running pretty damn good right now and strongly feel like the Ultra needs a 21/18 and some suspension tuning. Hard to beat the ergonomics of the Ultra though. It's a tough one to answer but a modded Ultra will be an incredible bike for the type of riding that I'm doing.
Regardless how how much you build a lightbee, yes you can build it to be much faster then ultra, BUT you will never have good brakes in comparison, nor the seating ergonomics.
Nice and quiet, does anybody know if they come with a belt the lbx
Never seen you ride, YOUR GRE8 BRO❤
I see snow does the battery die faster in the cold?
how come Surrons not getting cheaper as years go by
biden+kamala is your answer. aint not shit cheaper
Inflation
you gotta vote trump if you want cheap man!!
@blackpepe if you're not joking that's the most insane reasoning I think I'll read today. I'd ask you to explain yourself but you really can't. There's tons of incentives all over the US to buy electric vehicles. A lot of politicians are pushing for them. Neither of the people you named even have rhe power to determine the price of the bike. It's the companies choice. Inflation is based on countless factors. It's not 2 people out of 332 million you happen to not like.
@@LurkingLeviathan During Trumps Turn everything was cheap common sense man lol!!!! unless your living under rock with gold bars then nothing to worry about right?
It would be so challenging to judge jump speed without having a gearbox and/or RPM to listen to for speed checking jumps to consistently do them lap after lap
Can you compare the ultrabee to something like a yz125, kx112, husqvarna 150 etc?
Do you feel like the ultra bee has more power than a light bee with a bac8000 and 72v batt?
@BigRed Good question. No, it does not feel like it has more power than my BAC8000 72v Light Bee. I do think it has adequate power for a stock bike and plenty of people will enjoy it in stock form but I think more experienced off road riders will want some more power or at least run a bigger sprocket for more torque.
Could you apply a bac8000 to an ultra bee?
When you refer to not trusting it being stock. What mods are there ?
Wher is this track at?
Great videos! I have been following the scene for a while now, and I’m guessing that the ultra Bee is more like the old Quantyas? Size and performance? Would you agree? Also the suspension upgrade on the Ultra Bee would it be be more along the lines of mountain bike componentry or motocross…? Thanks again from New York!
I would want to train like I ride a dirt bike. Ultra bee sounds good.
So I wanna get my first surron but idk if. Should get talaria sting mx3 or 4 I’m 31 years old I want something that I just ride places like work and stuff and ride everywhere with no problems
Any forks off existing bikes that would fit ultra?
How and where did you get Ultra in US?
Grey review,but I do have a question. It looks like they are sold as off road, in US and Canad. Can you title this, and drive as a daily? This was not answered, even though it was referenced as a style of bike “dual sport”, as a comparison. Just want to ride on road as well.
With 21/18 wheels the Ultra Looks Perfect, The wheels are expensive though
I’m 6’1 220 I don’t know which one to buy I’ve ridden some 125s and 250 which one would you recommend me?
can you do this video for Talarias as well, I appreciate it
So I wanna get my first surron which one would you remember I’m 5’7 to 5’8 I want something I can ride to work and drive around and cruise places whic model will be best for me I’m 31 years old
Light bee and you can change battery
Is a 72v upgraded light bee faster or much more powerful than the ultra bee? Or are they around the same power wise as I'm unsure wich to get
I live in CO. What track is this?
it will be be comfi for 180cm hight for enduro ride?
Did you get a manufacturers certificate of origin with the ultra bee?
is the “max load” essentially the weight limit for these bikes ?
Is there any power upgrades for the ultra yet? Wish they would sell some easy app tune by a fee to get 15kw-18kw
What mods would you do to the ultra?
How long will one of these actually last? Like how long until I’d have to replace the battery and how expensive would that be? Seems like just as much as a gas dirt bike for a guaranteed shorter life span.
I'm not sure about longevity, but it's super fun to ride. Especially if you live in a more urban area. The quietness of it won't draw any attention and you can rip around just as you would on a dirt bike.
Ultra Bee for me as I'm a larger rider. I own an LBX and its too small for my liking but I mostly bought it for my 15 year old. I'm not sure if I want to sell it and get a Talaria Mx4 (2 inches taller + more power) or sell it and get an Ultra Bee since my LBX only has about 200 miles on it and is less than a year old and pretty much mint. What mods would you do on the Ultra to improve it? It seems pretty solid from factory but curious as to your thoughts.
Hi! The ultra bee have the same belt drive like the x? Or got something?
Very interested in an Ultra Bee for trail riding and if possible, supermoto track days with some 17” wheels. Will the battery/motor overheat on an asphalt/dirt supermoto track during a western USA summer track day? I can’t seem to find any info on anyone doing any SM kart track riding with these but that seems like it would be a ton of fun. I’d rather not have to deal with another gas bike and all the track prep that goes with it and have done some track days in NY on a Zero FXS that was a lot of fun. I got a few temperature warnings on the hotter summer days but never went into limp mode. Had a generator and pit power to keep it charged up between sessions which seemed to work fine. Interested to hear any thoughts or experience with an Ultra SM doing track days.
The Ultra would suit me better. Ultra it is!
What's the range that you get on different modes on Ultra Bee?
i'm 6'4" and like to send it so i really can't decide between the performance of the Ultra and the size of the Storm. literally stuck in the middle lol
It’s more of a which one would you actually be able to get
Im shreddin that ultra bee as soon as i see one