TALARIA vs SUR RON // 2022 OFFICIAL Guide
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- A detailed comparison between the 2022 Talaria Sting and the 2022 Sur Ron X Black Edition to help you make an informed purchase.
I compare and give points for:
- ergonomics
- throttle
- horn
- brakes
- wheels
- frame
- swingarm
- drivetrain
- seat
- display
- battery
- motor
- suspension
- lights
- size
- clearance
- throttle curve
- speed
- rideability
- wheelie ability
Both bikes are fantastic and many of the points in this video are SUBJECTIVE. If you disagree, kindly let me know in the comments!
This video was filmed at BikeCraze in Anaheim CA where you can buy either of these bikes with $50 using code "SURRONSTER"
My Sur Ron:
- Controller: @E-Moto Bros ASI BAC4000 emotobros.com/
- Battery: 72v 32ah battery recommend as of 2022 to purchase from Chi Batteries ✅ 5% off with code "SURRONSTER" ✅ chibatterysystems.com/?ref=SU...
- All parts listed here • My Sur Ron UPGRADES *...
Theme Song: On My Own - Kyle The Hooligan
0:00 Intro
0:31 Features
6:15 Price
6:42 Measurements
7:41 Talaria Test
9:37 Sur Ron Test
11:07 Conclusion
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I like how you did an objective review and let the viewer see the differences and similarities between both bikes instead of trying to see which was best overall - it's cool that we have the variety of bikes to pick whichever fits our needs the best 💯
Agreed, he was so considerate about everything
You guys are funny. Unless your serious, then I'm sure your paid off too....
What about weight, one of the most important measurements for off-road riders? The Talaria is over 25 pounds heavier than the Sur-Ron, and that weight negates a good bit of the Talaria battery's extra amp hours, making the battery comparison much closer. Also, you said that the Sur-Ron was "thinner" and "more nimble," which should be another point since this is an important consideration for off-road riding.
You nailed it man!… After talking to a couple of talaria owners who also owned Surron’s, I heard back that with the upgraded Gladiator Chi battery 60V/60Ah… The total new weight on the SurRon goes from 110 to 125 pounds… However the talaria comes in at 138 pounds STOCK. That’s a huge dealbreaker for me personally. Hope this information helps!🙏🙌
My KTM 380cc 2 stroke weight is 300lbs. I guess some of us know how to throw around a bike sp 25lbs don't make a difference. That's like the weight of my poop
My point exactly: I wouldn't want to ride my Sur-Ron while carrying your poop.
Stock Talaria is 135 pounds measured here th-cam.com/users/shortsqcHAK3mB_1Y
@@josephfreeman5289 i agree, many people who are Looking to buy a sur ron have the road bicycle gang mentality when it comes to the weight so it shouldnt come out as a surprise
Talaria looks like it can actually take a beating while sur ron looks cool and all but has thay "toy aura" around it, at least in my experience.
Very well done, dude. Doing big things with the review. Great job.
Lmao 😂 he really gave a point away even know the horns are identical😂
Literally the exact same horn 😂😂
What are you smoking?
Most definitely not the same
@@mikkelkirketerp4884 Brother. Its the exact same generic horn. What are you smoking? I’m a multi-instrumentalist and I can assure you they are the exact same tone and pitch. Maybe you’re tone deaf?
@@gabrielbanna6725 i feel bad for you then.
You can clearly hear that they don't sound exactly the same.
😭😭 My brother in christ. You realize these bike companies buy a lot of their parts from the same manufacturers right? Or are you just naive? Ronster literally says “we’re looking at the same brakes, handlebars, front wheels, rotors, headlights, key ignition. The forks are random and you could get either set on either bike. So why tf would they then go through the trouble of getting a unique HORN of all things. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. They sound exactly the same. The Talaria was only a hair louder, but that could’ve just been due to how hard he pressed each of them.
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Thats probably bc u want a surron or talaria (and he has great content), cuz thats why I watch his videos
i just started watching you videos a week ago and now your the only youtuber i wanna watch
I went Sur Ron x my next upgrade is 17 in wheels . . These are more fun due to how many upgrade options available. 45 mph right out of the box very little needed to do 73mph top end with the same motor. Bike weight 105
The turn radius is much wider on the Talaria, and it has suspension linkage play issue and most important motor overheating issues (code E42).
Damn! Wow that’s not good!
Had an option to buy either one and went with surron then seen this video afterwards and it validated my choice 💨💨🔥🔥 thanks for the vid drop look forward to more!!
@Rabbi Kikenstein got it when it was $4,200.. key word “was” lol
Such a great review of 2 bikes that are so close in nature, thanks!!
Was the controller updated on the Talaria for the throttle map?
Not sure they're updating them at the factory but I know vendors like ebikezilla are updating the controllers to correct the throttle before shipping.
That was a legitimate review. Thanks so much! Also, the Sur Ron had me at wheelies better.
As someone who has owned both bikes I can 100% say the surron is way better, the only thing I do prefer on the talaria is how much more the battery lasts and how your legs hug the bike more
im tryna decide to get either talaria or surron but idk
No way 😂😂 Talarias way better g had both and Surron sounded rattly, not as much power, uncomfortable, not as wider arches for bigger wheels, not got a 2 in 1 plug, Talaria looks nicer aswell 😂
Can the throttle curve be adjusted later theoretically?
I’m confused at what models are new and what’s outdated. I just watched a video from 3 mo. ago on surron models and they listed the LBX, ultra bee, and storm bee F. They made no mention of the surron x.
love the side by side comparison very good idea
That Lancer EVO X on 8:07 looks amazing 😍👌
Been waiting for this video to drop
Best vid for someone who is new in the e-bike world
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! Let’s goooooo
10 days ago i commented that you need to make this video at would you look at that! Great video dude much love was stoked for this video!
love watching your vids and see you growing
gotta say as a sur ron owner i love the look of the talaria and kind of want to buy one (or atleast buy the frame and swap everything over if possible), slight change in the frame design looks beautiful and battery cover minimizing all the exposed area to the top of the battery. battery cable is a great idea but with the sur ron being a somewhat popular ebike to mod and already having a wide selection of custom batteries, not being able to use my 72v battery in it is a deal breaker because of the connector. :(
same
Can’t you just swap connections
@@epicskidude3129 if the cable harness is the same as the sur rons then it would be possible to just use the harness from the sur ron to swap that cable. Seeing as its a different motor i'd assume they might also be using a different harness with different connections there as well. I wouldn't trust myself soldering a new connector on it with the amount of power going through them, don't want a flame throwing timebomb between my legs if I were to mess up and not know about it until its too late.
just cut and redo the connectors
@@Thrillowatt nice
Is Sur Ron going to do an updated bike feels like they haven't changed much in ages has there been any news?
Let's go brother! Great VID again!
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Can I ask how tall is the seat height and does it go down a lot for like someone 150lbs? I been binging on your vids I saw your vid saying it goes up to 80mph and I am floored, thats highway speeds. Does it go 50-60 supermoto tires ok without overheating? What range does it get with the 72v battery you are using?
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Man thank u Im gonna do a build on my sur Ron coming in next week
I charge my battery with it in the bike in my garage, should I be opening up the cover and turning off the breaker switch when I charge it or is it OK to just plugging in charge with the breaker on?
If you had to do it all over again which one
would you prefer for off road playing in the dirt
The headset spacer gives the Talaria a slightly slacker fork angle and taller stack. It isn't significant on an electric dirt bike unless you are very experienced with electric dirtbikes, but on a mountain bike it is a noticeable difference. Can the spacer be moved to the top to change the geometry? I'm very familiar with mountain bike geometry, but not dirt bikes. So when I look at the dirtbikes, the angle that would be called the headtube angle, looks pretty steep. around 66 degrees is the sweet spot for a trail bike, but on something more robust like a dirtbike, I imagine it would feel twitchy.
Great review! Thank you very much for it. Just a side note the power increase significantly on the Talaria after 4-5 battery cycles. Also, the OEM gearing as you tried (44T) is a little bit taller than Sur-Ron. With the equivalent sprocket ratio the peak power of the Talaria is higher from 0-30 but over this speed the Sur-Ron have a little bit more snap we agree especially on throttle response.
I thought mine was feeling a lil quicker after a few cycles ;)
Psttt.. ninja ship my Talaria. I won't tell anyone 🙂
Can you say this in a way I can understand 🤣 I didn't want to get a Talaria because of the snap, but if it goes away then I still am down to get it.
@@OregonMotorcycle I looked your videos and i am 99% sure your bike have the old programmation. You should confirm with your dealer because the update we did improve it a lot. All the 2021 need to be reprogrammed by the dealer (look if you have N or M in your VIN (M =2021 and N = 2022). You can send us your controller if you want and we will dot the update for you. I am even sure the Talaria in this video is not updated too otherwise you wouldn't see much difference with the Sur-Ron. It would be more snappy from 0-20 and then very similar but we all agree here that at high speed the Talaria have a little bit less throttle response.
@@ebikezilla1383 Will the acceleration curve of the Talaria be reprogrammed soon as well, to match more the Surron curve? Currently as Surronster says it's very snappy at the beginning, but after that it loses that snap real quick.
Great video bro! My Talaria comes in towards the end of the month.
how long it will take to charge each bike? and mileage forbeach songle charge? and do we have extra battery which we can carry and replace when necessary
Great video dude. I just got an emotobros controller for my Ron. I'm trying to decide on a battery now. How much of a difference power wise out of a 72v 38ah compared to 60v 60ah ? Anyone know?
Say you are pulling 100amps of current. The 72v battery is going to produce 7200 watts (9.65hp) and the 60v battery is going to produce 6000w (8.05hp).....BUT the 60v 60ah battery is going to have 3,600 watt hours of capacity vs. The 72v 38ah which will have 2,736 watt hours of capacity...which is considerably less capacity. If range is not a concern for you use case, and power is, then go for the 72v pack. Conclusion: 72v will result in more power, torque, acceleration, probably higher top speed as well. The 60v pack will have more range.
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Hopefully a larger rear sprocket on the Talaria will help give it more mid range. I was under the impression Talaria had a 48 tooth sprocket like the Sur-Ron but it came with a 44 tooth. I have a Warp9 52 tooth I will be installing. My heart sank a little when you said it was hard to wheelie, isn't that a big factor in why we buy these things? I've seen Sur-Rons bashed beyond belief and still going strong. The Talaria has a lot to live up to.
Hey Awesome video! Do you have like a promo code or discount for when buying at the bike shop?
Hi sir, I have some questions, with suron do i need a driver license? Helmet? And license plate? And being a bicycle and not a motorcycle can i go (legally) on the grass like you did before? In my city with bicycle it's pretty freedom I can go even on sidewalk or in the wrong direction but with motorcycle obviously i can't
Good job dude. Yeah, the throttle curve is crazy. I was doing a wheelie out of every turn on that race Sunday
Can you tell us more about the overheating issues of the TALARIA in the Hawaii Endurofest?
change the egar ratio in settings goofy
To fix the throttle curve problem you need to go in the settings and change the gear ratio to what you like.
Ohh cool, so is there like an iPhone app then?
@@joshuaedwards3522 Nope. its on the bike itself.
@@joshuaedwards3522 have you ridden the surron?
If so which would your prefer? I was about to choose the surron just because he was experiencing poor throttle response so thank you
@@Westo_ire Go with surron, all in all, only go with Talaria if you are super tall really. If not Surron is the way to go, BUT. Can't go wrong with either.
Hey man good video :)
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it would be nice if you could make a new video on the Talaria. Also because the problem of jerky acceleration you say was present only on some of the first models sent to America
Can you change how snappy the throttle is on the talaria? So it’s easier to do wheelies like the suron
Nice to see your comparison video, I have owned SURRON for 5 years and the Light Bee is a trusted product. I am happy to have it.
TALARIA also looks good because it copied the SURRON concept, but the frame with the modified shape doesn't seem to have the simple design aesthetic of SURRON's frame. This bike design by SURRON is their concept from 7 years ago, shame on Talaria now in 2022 to replicate the concept of SURRON 7 years ago. There's always a bit of a knockoff feel to it.
From China, there may be 10 or 100 factories replicas like Talaria‘s way in the future. SURRON is always original. The Light Bee model is SURRON, but SURRON does not only have Light Bee. Having competition is a good thing for consumers and may speed up the progress of SURRON's new generation of products.
Talaria were allowed to copy the bike a bit though cuz the guy in charge of Talaria was a Surron engineer
I never even knew that headsets could have spacers on the bottom ,idk how that works with the bearing races , and the bottom is where all the leverage from the front wheel stoping is going to expend the most force like a crowbar
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All of my buddies have tried both and we all like the surron more. Smoother power, the bike frame is better and makes you feel in complete control. Better suspension and it feels lighter too
i agree
“Smoother” power isn’t really a plus, it’s basically saying less power
I've heard that the bike frame has more flex on the Sur Ron? How exactly is the suspension better?
@@SurRonsterbest place to get a Sutton?
What kind of license do you need for the Talaria Sting if you know it?
what website would you recommend ordering a Talaria or Sur ron X
Sur Ron really need to update the Light Bee. More power, better battery, wider swingarm, battery plug, improved Jack shaft/design or gearbox would be great to see. But will they EVER update it?!
Very nicely detailed review. Can anyone elaborate more on the Sur-Ron belt-drive or gear box problems. This is the first I've heard of it.
No problem with Sur Ron belts at all. It's a bit noisier, which I like, that whine sound. And it will need replacing after 2 or 3 years. Really..its not an issue as it's easy to change one. My Sur Ron is fantastic and I just published my Top 7 Mods video.
Having one of these would be so cool I have always wanted one
i have a question would the sur ron be good for a 6ft rider?
and i love your vids bro keep it up
Hey suronster you have been the most entertaining TH-camr I have watched in a long time you inspired me to buy a sur Ron and I have been driving myself crazed waiting for it to get here thanks👍 also what type of helmet do you use and where did you purchase you sur Ron battery as I want to upgrade mine when it gets here
These are all things I’m wandering to !! How can you get the Sur Ron to go 60 in 4 secs !?!?
Very fair comparison utilizing the point 👉👈👇👏👍system
Loe your vids and reviews. I'm new to this stuff and noticed the Segway version looks identical to the Surron, is it the same bike?
hi, sur ronster has video on segway vs sur ron i think, try looking on his channel , hope i helped
With the racespec seat on surron you can sit right on top of the battery cover
I agree with the throttle, its pretty jerky on sport mode but with this vid I chose the talaria. its been really fun so far.
what are laws to be aware of with this ebike? license required?
@@joseandrade6727 it’s in the gray area for now. no license or registration because it’s an electric bike. surron and talaria can be equipped with a pedal kit which makes it a bicycle with “pedal assist”. I ride on the streets 53-45mph mostly and never been bothered by the cops.
@@ayeketchup how old are you? I’m 13 so like should I get one or wait till I’m like 15 or older?
@@yoo-12 16
Which one is it harder for Dillon to turn off when you're not looking?
Only thing that matters to riders will be wheelies , how many miles you can take it , how fast it goes , and how well it does two tracking !
What I’ve been waiting for!
im still gona go for the Surron, they have it in my city a year ago and i cant wait to get it this spring or summer
you won't regret it
@@44Bailout 😎
@@GaelLazerYT bruh buy talaria
@@nuclear9977 I don't know if thats okay in my city or the roads
@@nuclear9977 and that 10k no ty
Yo Bros, I live in the alps and have normally like 15min drive to work. 14km each way 28km daily. Thinking to buy one of these to get to work instead of using the car, The way i would get to work with one of these would be half off road, half on the the mainroads/side roads. I come in at 79kgs how many times a week would i need to charge one of these bike if i where to use it 7days a week going on the same path to work. I'm a downhill bike rider so i'd take this bad boy into the mountains also for rides... What issues should i look out for getting one of these, Service wise what to expect? are the easy enough to service alone? cheers for any info
Seems like not sure tho have ya got lever point suspension on the surron not sure about the talaria
I'm trying to get one hopefully I can pay one of I'm so in love with these bikes 🏍
But can we put a bac 4000 on the talaria how the plugs
I’m in need of one of these rn in my life
i had the same complaint about the touchiness of the talaria but keeping it in eco helps with that when off roading but street use sport is fine
Which of these two forks are better?
Comparison for seat comfort would of been nice. I know the Sur Ron has a fairly hard seat. How is the Talaria's seat?
My talaria seat is so comfy I can ride for hours and still feel comfortable
Love the videos, I can't afford a sur ron or talaria but I do have a ebike, so I love the videos regardless.
Well if your Bit of Coin takes off I'm sure you will one day ;)
Build one, buy the parts one at a time... Ali express has some nice frames, I built a 2 wheel drive ebike with 7kw of power and I stayed on the low end for controllers and battery voltage 48v..... however I did build a custom battery pack with Samsung 40T cells so i could fit 2 batteries inside the frame... with a discharge of 175 amps each... over 300 amps total discharge capable... ^^ 20 amp hours each... if your going to run Motorcycle tires, Shinko 520 series are nice.
@@larrymacdonald4241 175A@ 48V is quite pointless tho.
I have a Prodeco Outlaw, but now I want a SurRon...
nice review!
How is it for a tall guy, 260 pounds?
Does the talaria have a app like the segway x260?
We need to get a Surron crew out together in the Midwest! Going to get one ordered soon before they’re all gone!
I’m in Iowa where are you at
Michigan here. Talaria ordered last week.
Coming out of Oregon with my Talaria 😊👊
I’m in Wisconsin planning on buying one this spring.
Midwest channel in Indiana coming soon , but I’m actually a skateboarder and crazy athletic , adrenaline junkie !! So you gunna seee a diff side of how to ride a E bike :p haha 😛 Lego with the work I do - goals to start making 5-10grand a week so only a matter of time before I get one !!! 🤠🌞🎒📦🙌🏻👍🏻🤙🏻❤️🔥😛👋🏻👍🏻🤙🏻 I need to figure out , how I can get a sur ron that goes 60 or above mph or how to modify it though ! I need more than 45mph …. I think 😝 I know there’s a ebike coming or out after the light bee but idk if I like that look , if I saw it right it looked more like a dirt bike and not it’s own machine
Wonder how they hold up to arizona summers on the streets and dirt? 115
how tall should you be to ride a talaria sting im 12 and 5,3 would i fit on it
Where can I get some led lights for my bike
I want one doesn't matter which both look gorgeous.
Do you know if the bike shop has the affirm loan program?
Is it a sur Ron x or a surron light bee x cause I could only find the light bee x on the website
Where’s best place to buy the sur Ron in the uk
It's literally my dream to get this bike. I'm going to work hard to get this one.
When does the sur ron come out?
What is the best Electric dirtbike for beginners
It's weird what you say about the throtle curve of the sur ron because a couple of years ago I buy a sur ron I think it was 2018 model and the throtle was really bad for wheelie to me. Like in a dead stop go the bike wheelie really well but too snappy, all the torque available and than when I was rolling at 5 mph no more torque impossible to lift the wheels up ! I was hoping to learn to wheelie with the sur ron but this throttle curve make me give up to try to learn !
Where or how do you find a used sur Ron
is this still valid in 2024? The talaria sting mx3 is 3400 and surron is like 4800 at luna and both have gotten upgrades including talaria throttle
what is the max speed of he surren in eco mode?
I just placed an order with Luna Cycle for a Sur Ron X. I made sure to give you a shout out in my emails with Luna! I’ve been searching for a fun outdoor hobby and the TH-cam algorithm gods pulled through. Cheers!
do u need any special licenses/ certificates to ride these out on the open streets?
Can't i change the gear ratio on my talaria though and i bet i buy new throttle and or get curve adjusted i have my talaria and love it but
I am running stock suspension on my sur-ron and I keep bottoming out the fork on everything. You ever had any problems like that. If so what did you do?
Lose some weight haa tighten things , modify !?!?
@@skrrtfranklin thanks
do a full in depth review of the talaria string
Best comparo I've seen on these 2 bikes. As a new Sur Ron owner, I have no complaints and no desire to get something else. Such a great value......my cousin recently purchased a E-MTB with 250 watt pedal assist for over $5000 used.
How fast is it, range?
@@jlove24 I had in my shop the Turbo LEVO SL 240watts €7,000 one of the best EMTB of 2022. Pedal assisted Max speed is 25kph, range depends of body size and what mode you use. Most of my guests used turbo, Off road in the alps with some steep climbs range was about 20km for them some got longer out of it, I think max range is about 40km if you use the modes correctly.. These bikes are not designed to cover 100km the whole point of the Ebike is you have the battery there to help you when you are tired or steep part of the trail comes along and you are not fit enough top get up on your own power. Most of my guests would need the SUR RON to get them around the trails lmao.
I’m 5’4 so the lower the bike the better, gotta have my feet touching the ground when I’m not moving. And I was wondering if I bought a sur ron for 95 bucks, would I be able to switch other parts with it?
for 95 bucks!! are you getting scammed?
@@quarans08 lol I looked over sites that said they had one and they were all fake sites
How/where in the FUCK did you find a ssurrron for 95$???????
The Talaria is still taller than the Surron?
One question, is that front suspension motorcycle or bicycle?
What would you guys recomend getting out of these two? Ive never owned one but really want one!! Even other options outside of these two?
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