e145: HG-P407 Metal 4x4 Pick Up Crawler Tamiya Bruiser Clone Review and Impressions
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I always come back to this video for the silent commentary across the screen. Brilliant! Just ordered one these after viewing this video 5000 times. It’s on the way!
Hahah! Glad you liked it! good luck!
I’m thrilled that Tamiya is doing all these re-releases. It’s a way to get back my childhood. 😊
This truck is a clone and Tamiya has file a stop against this company but has no legal way of stopping its production. What it shows however is that Tamiya like many other companies inflate their prices quite a lot!
I agree, the RERE's are great for the hobby. This truck is worth the price, the Tamiya is not.
I love the clones, copies and toy grade stuff, and it's always a pleasant surprise when the clone or copy is actually a good vehicle
It was quite the surprise.
This is absolutely my favorite video in the channel. Was quite entertaining see how the opinion changed in real time. I have RCs of almost all major brands and “Banggood specials”, the reality is that Tamiya nostalgia has a ceiling, and they are way beyond that point. Tamiya is basically a shelf queen brand at this point, and I guess collectors are fine with that, but they are nowhere near the performance you can get with almost every other brand these days......, in the immortal words of James Hetfield, Sad but True.......
Sad but true indeed. James is very deep.
Sweet! I've just ordered those wheels for my king blackfoot.
These wont sadly! They have a unique bolt pattern that is utterly pointless!
Everyone needs a wake up call and Tamiya, Kyosho, and yes even Traxxas needs to be a foot up on the competition. Rc is evolving and now small companies have access to sophisticated machines and aren’t messing around. There’s money to be had in this crazy thing we love. Remember folks it’s a business thing nothing personal. I myself love this copy clone what ever you call it puts pressure on the Big guys to scratch there heads to come up with new and exciting tech. Now all I need is some popcorn 😊
Good point. It is business and in that game, it is take no prisoners.
I had to order one, I had a mountaineer that my grandma got me back in the day, and actual replacements are like a grand or more.. this is a perfect alternative, can't wait for it to get here.
Its a good truck for what it is.
Excellent and informative review, I see it as a pure tribute truck to the true marvel that is the classic Bruiser; both looking very good after all those years. Thorough & solid video, thank you Sir!
This is a good way of looking at it!
Thanks for the info.. love the comparison and honest opinion.😁🤙🏼
Any time Jerome
My brother got me one for my birthday and I love it.
Very nice!
Finally you got it! I saw it on ebay. Two colors choice. Black and white.
Yeah, in Hong Kong. They were out of black.
Very cool. Can't wait to hear more. I have two older ones I run still and a Hilux. I just completed a new re-release Bruiser three months ago. Also have several new ones in the box. I may have to get one of these just for bashing.
You would be a good one to inform us of the RERE and KO differences too!
I may just order one of the clones. I let you know.
Thanks for your review.
Any time.
I'm sold brother!
Haha!
Well thanks alot. I was super excited when I heard about this truck but was hoping it was a cheap POS. After seeing this video I just ordered one.
I also thought it was going to be junk...
I'm happy with mine. I have HG F-350 too.
Ver good!
Great review. I was thinking about this truck & after seeing your video I'm going to buy one. I've always wanted a tamiya 3 speed but the vintage ones & new ones cost so much I'd be frightened to drive them. I agree with whats said about tamiyas lack of innovation these days, like a lot of people my age I love the nostalgia behind the re-releases & its great that SRB parts are readily available again. But, tamiya used to be the driving force behind RC development in the 80's, they need to start thinking like that again.
Yeah, i want to see innovation!
Allota ppl been waiting on this, either in anticipation or absolute disgust.
Very good review/compare, thanks :)
Not a problem.
The CC02 chassis is pretty darn nice. I love mine.
I know a lot of people do.
Thank you very much. Mine should be here soon as I ordered it a few weeks back.Stupid price for a lot of truck.
I agree. So cheap.
Wow what a trip! Looks like I know what I'm buying next. I've always wanted a Bruiser but I really don't care for the nostalgic factor I just wanted a Bruiser to use. I'll go for the cheap generic stuff all day long
I kind of feel the same way.
That was a super interesting video! Thank you so much for sharing this truck with the community. I always thought that the Tamiya Bruiser was ways to expensive - maybe this one wont be... 😀
Not a problem!
I looked on eBay and the truck is around 320 to 350 with shipping
Man that is amazing given how much the real one is.
AMPRO Engineering yeah it is.
AMPRO Engineering i do like the way the rtr controller shifts the truck. Cool idea.
Wow! Interesting! So how much was this compared to a Tamiya Bruiser? I don’t really think Tamiya should stop with the rereleases. I just think they should start making new Scale trucks. They have actually come up with new ideas lately, like the Dancing Rider and Konghead. And let’s not forget the TRF race buggies and touring cars. But yes. They need to step up when it comes to the trail/scale/crawler scene. It would make my day, if they suddenly released something that can be compared to an SCX or TRX.
Ohh, and a great video as always! Many Thanks!!!
Well I paid $175 but this was in Hong Kong at the supplier. They retail around $320 shipped. Glad you liked it!
what I find odd it that it wouldnt take tamiya much to alter the 2012 bruiser into other forms of truck. maybe ene add in optional 4 links, make some upgrade shocks, customizable leaf springs, make an available steering upgrade like we do on the forums where you mount the servo under the front crossmember, and maybe a factory 12mm hex wheel adaptor kit. These new axles and transmissions are damn good upgrades from the original 1985 truck, it's a shame they're only sold for $700 a pop to people with nostalgia instead of being sold for cheaper with less liscencing fees and then they can get some money on the upgrades.
The sad thing is that the Tamiya die hards continue to defend the company's lack of innovation.
"Tamiya isn't about being cutting edge, it's about realism" "if you want performance buy a Traxxas"
They seem to forget that Tamiya was once right at the cutting edge of RC.
They pretend that Tamiya products were always dated and mediocre performers that favoured realism. It's totally untrue. Tamiya were once the trailblazing pioneers.
And nowadays they put out plenty of models with lexan bodies so the whole realism argument is BS too.
Like I said on the forum, if HSP can make a scale crawler that's so competent that a dozen or so other brands take it up then there's no reason Tamiya can't make something similar and there's no reason it couldn't be sold in kit format.
There seems to be a consensus that if Tamiya were to make models that were more dynamically competent that they would somehow compromise their character and soul yet in the 80's Tamiya models delivered both things by the bucket load.
You are correct on all counts.
That was possibly the BEST answer to Tamiya's recent problems!!! Tamiya COULD have buried Axial, at the beginning of the Millennium, they have the Industrial Might, and CERTAINLY have the Capital.
The Guy who designed the Dancing Rider - Promote Him/Her to Chief of New Product Development!!! Not that the Dancing Rider is the answer - BUT the Creative Mind who created it - IS.
The Re-Re'ed Products are Cool, and the Nostalgia is Priceless. Which is why they're Dramatically OVERPRICED for what they are. The subtle improvements made to some... but they were only that, subtle. OK, switching to Dogbones on the ORVs, was Brilliant! (ANYONE who had the originals, fully understands!!) But still just subtle....
They NEED to knock the World on its ASS, like they used to. We were begging for purpose built Crawler Truck, before Century's end... They gave us the CR-01.
Yeah, OK, it was a Crawler Truck.... But it was STILL underscale!! 10.5" Wheelbase? Really?
Complex Suspension System - Overkill - Overweight!
Ginormous, out of Scale Axle Pumpkins. No, just NO!
AGAIN with the Crappy Tires!! It DID have Beadlocks (VERY Cool), but no grip. That's combined with not enough articulation in the overdone Suspension
And....... *HOW MUCH Did They want for it???* 😱😫
At first, the CR-01 actually did pretty well. The closest Competition was the Axial AX10, and the HPI Wheelie King (which SUCKED!). That wasn't all there either.
Tamiya HAD a chance to tweak, or even come up with something simpler....
They didn't..... Axial brings out the SCX10, then the Wraith.... And THAT Competition was OVER.
Tamiya COULD outdo ALL of them, like they used to.... WILL THEY??
Carmine 💥 ⛽
I never considered TRAXX-ASS on the Leading Edge of ANYTHING! They're overpriced Bashers....
Although the TRX-4 SPORT really looks like something I would check out!! Less gimmicks, more substance, less PRICE!!!
By over $100.00!! 😱😱👍👍👏👏👏👏
I agree with everything else. They do need to jump start the US/GB/European Markets. They CAN, as I've just said earlier....
@@CarminesRCTipsandTricks I wouldn't even consider a Traxxas as a basher. If you drive them as a basher, they break like a Walmart toy. I landed my nitro Jato on its ass end going over a small jump and the piss poor rear suspension mount integrated into the transmission housing caused the tranny case to split in two. That was 4 years ago and I never bothered fixing it. After spending money to replace parts after every run for a month, that was the last straw.
Well, Tamiya are indeed pioneers. They practically invented the RC monster truck or at least brought it mainstream (Blackfoot, Clod Buster), the invented the trick car (lunchbox, midnight pumpkin), they brought on the touring car craze, and even the crawling segment when people started modifying their TXT-1s. What they don't do is employ slave labor, practice currency manipulation and out right theft of designs and intellectual property. It's not greed that keeps Tamiya prices high, it's the cost of running a reputable and responsible business. Just remember that when you buy $700 worth of truck for $290, and that's a personal decision. Myself, I don't like purchasing stolen goods, and that's exactly what this truck is.
I have a 2012 Tamiya Bruiser, and I'm actually considering getting one of these clones as well, and painting it up a different color and not using the chrome add on. Watching this video, it looks EXACTLY like my 2012 Bruiser. As for a 1500mAH Lipo Battery, it will still likely still have a decent run time. I use a 4000 lipo battery, and even after running my Bruiser for 30-40 minutes, I only use about 800mAH of the battery.
Does the 2012 have the standard 540 motor? My vintage one has a much bigger one. I agree about run time. On the last scale run I did with some guys out here, I ran 4 hours straight on a 4000mAh lipo and burned through 3000mAh. Insane.
AMPRO Engineering It came with a RS-750SH motor. I’m not sure how it compares to the original 540, but it seems to have adequate power. I really like my bruiser but I’m most likely going to get the clone as well.
I just recieved mine. Your right it's a full out clone. For only a few hundred, its worth it.
I agree.
I saw this on eBay last week and it's like $250 bucks! I was hesitant at first and I thought it was a misprint but after I watched this video and realize this this was the same truck, I'm definitely gonna get on now!
It was a huge surprise to me!
I'm totally kicking myself I bought a Mountain Raider a few years ago, this kit is a thrid of the price what I paid for it. I might buy myself one as a Christmas present for myself.
Yeah man I hear you. No one will double the MR is a bettery quality but that price...jeez. As the owner of a vintage one, I like this one more.
Nothing wrong with rereleases. But would be nice to see new releases
Oh i agree...but I want something new to compete with all the other new stuff.
Love to see tamiya come out with a formitable crawler
That is the truth. I would love to see them make a true scaler.
Siick bro!! Love it!!
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing!
I have 2 of the original bruisers ,one of which has the manual lockout hubs, and today I received one like yours but it has the black body,but that's ok because I have several Tamiya cabs and beds, I also have rc4wds bruiserupter, and 3 rc4wd mohave2s and 1 lwb Mohave . 2 gelande2s and 1 Mohave 1...also numerous axial rigs and custom tube rigs using axial parts.
Oh so you actually have the original Hilux then! bruiserupter? I need to look at that. I love my RC4WD's. They are awesome. You have some nice wheels!
no doubt, totally agree, Tamiya is going about stagnant on the R&D side of things, darnit!
with all the cool crazy little gear motors available the last few years its hard to understand why they aren't designing something scaler/crawler to make advantage of them. 16mm x 40mm 300 RPM is powering a 40" span ornithoper I'd scratch built 3 years ago. there's plenty of demand now for "trail hiking vehicles" with top speeds of 4.5 to 6.5 or 7 mph, that can run for an hour or more on a charge (currently modding a 1/24 Subotech BG1511 to do this).
sure I love the classic Tamiya stuff, some have very real reliability issues like Monster Beetle / Blackfoot blowing out transmission plates, rough steering, suspension problems! others are infamous for snapping chassis tubs (Blitzer anyone?) so you're spending money for parts, time waiting for parts to arrive, then the time putting them back together (ouch!). Tamiya doing all the "Re-Re's" with barely anything improvement isn't going to help them.
Subotech BG1511 (about 34 bucks, proportional radio comes with)... locked up it's 3 diffs, WPL soft tires, set up suspension for best travel without overly kinking dog bones, slapped in a much slower FK-180 motor, and some minor subtle wheel well trimming, done deal! all structural nylon/plastic (hard to break!), ball bearings everywhere stock. in totally stock form they're very well built little 4WD bashers. very near "hobby quality" at totally toy price.
(know you have tons of cars already Alberto, but this thing would suit ya for hikes, it'll run 40-45 minutes with a pair of 1200mah 14500 (AA size) lithium ion cells that you can carry a spare set of in a shirt pocket, is also what I'm running the WPL C24 with)
then there's the inexpensive WPL trail crawlers, geared a little tall for their own good and some drive train parts are a little too fragile, but you can literally get 3-4 of them for the price of 1 Tamiya? I'd just ordered their Jeep "Deuce and a half" RTR from GearBest was 20 bucks, I'll just slap normal electrics into it. silly/dumb? you can slap in a really high RPM FK-180 motor, throw some electrical tape on the tires and make that military truck DRIFT just for giggles. how well and how easily/accurately controlled may be another story, but for the price of a 2-3 dollar drop in motor, who wouldn't want to try/see it, just for the laughs?!
anyhow... long story short, Tamiya not stepping up to compete = suicide. I remember back when SO WANTING some of their little TamTech pint size racers too.
Totally correct. They are failing to present themselves in yet another market they created. It is lost income and a huge error.
Could not agree more. Just got mine!. Amazing and a 1/4 of the price of a bruiser!?
Wow!!. Get one before the price doubles .
I certainly would.
Great review. I mean, $1000 AUD ($850usd) for a genuine Bruiser (plus radio, ESC, paint, etc.) is too much for many people. I love Tamiya (building a Lunchbox now), and I'm sure they pay their workers well, but I also think they're making a big margin from our nostalgia. For me, the HG-P407 is affordable and without a reasonably priced alternative, I can see myself buying one of these very soon.
yeah i agree with you. May I suggest the RC4WD trailfinder 2 however? Same body but an incredible chassis and thousands of upgrades for it. Costs a bit more but is better in every way.
@@AMPROEngineering Oh wow, that is much nicer!! Thanks for the tip!
Dam cool.... You're right they needs to come out with something new they did raise a lot of their prices though.. On the plus side I like how they still have their classic cars available.
Same here but they can only pander to this small community for so long...
I love my re-release Buggy Fighter RX 😁. Maybe the best rolling rigid rear axle ever.
I have an original one that my friend got me. I am dying to build it!
@@AMPROEngineering WHAAAAT? I hope you make a video about it!
Did not expect that out come.
Same here man.
14:57 it even changes it’s color? Amazing!
wow I didnt realize it looked like that!
I think this is an outstanding truck, I spotted this on banggood for 230 English pound😱 straight away I look for it on TH-cam and found your review which I must say is very interesting and it was a fantastic video I am definitely getting one of these, it looks well built and the quality for the price is unbelievable thank you for sharing this, 👍😊🇬🇧😁 👍
Wait until you see the running vid. It really is awesome.
AMPRO Engineering , can't wait to see it, ive put the notification Bell on to remind me hope I don't miss it, 😁😊😁
I have 27 RC mostly crawler basher and drifter and I love your videos just wish you did some of my RC like the trx4 blazer trx6 snap-on hauler SCX10 HPI spirit Clod buster I only found one of my RC and that was WPL D12
Thanks a lot man, those snap on trucks are awesome!
Mine arrived! It's not bad, has the same issue with bad steering as the original. The driveshafts are pretty much Twizzlers but I was going to upgrade them anyway. The hardware (nuts/bolts) is in between Tamiya (good) and RC4WD (junk), nothing stripped yet and holding up well. I've already started to strip/modify mine down to convert into a trail truggy. Again, if I paid $800 - 1000 for a NEW kit I'd be rethinking that route. I'm in the same boat as you, its hard to compare because I had the original Bruiser and Blazing Blaser, and this one is based on the re-re. Will it compete outa' bix a basic SCX10/2? Nope, but $325 shipped for a RTR 3 spd/2-4wd scale leafer, I like it!
Man that is such a great price for this truck. Yeah, drive shafts are small but still better than those on my bruiser...
I think Tamiya and Kyosho have hit the market with re-releases aiming for my generation, - generation that couldn't afford them growing up, but they have never lost their appeal..
I hate to say it but you are correct. I am in that same generation. Now they made the "Comical Grasshopper" but again, that only appeals to us. Kids today dont what that.
I’ve even bought a Kyosho Optima rerelease and Tamiya Hotshot. I’ll eventually buy all the metal suspension old school Tamiya and kyoshos, just for the nostalgia
Sorry I forgot the password of my old youtube ID, I used to leave lots of comment in Chinese, you must remember me.I want to say the battery with this truck is actually quite good, especially those "格氏ACG青训版”， 格氏 is a famous RC battery in China, not a cheap brand, I used it quite a lot. On the other hand, the truck is made by 恒冠, also a famous RC brand in China, basically its product is neither excellent nor so bad, it is just worthy of it's price, but some parts of truck is not good enough, you need to modify it yourself, you are so good at it, I think you can make the best of this truck.
Thank you very much for your information. It is hard to get info on these in the US when you are unable to read or speak the language.
I just picked this truck up from banggood for $179 for the rtr version and it's coming from the US warehouse which is awesome. So I can't wait to get it. I've owned several OG bruisers in the past and I've been wanting a rere since they came out but I couldn't see spending the money tamiya wants for them. The main reason I bought this over the 'official' tamiya version as I can have the look of a rere bruiser in rtr form for under $200 and put the $700+ I saved from buying Tamiyas version for my family. So to me it's a win win. I get the truck that 's almost 100% identical to the 1 I want and I still have money to keep my family supported.
It is insane that they can be so cheap.
@@AMPROEngineering yeah exactly I don't know how they do it either. I don't see it happening but I hope they do a clone version of the OG hilux or blazing blazer. If they did I would buy several of each,lol
Looks too cool ❤️
It's way better than i thought it would be for sure!
It is pretty great so far.
Looks great, so now a teardown to see if the parts fit on the real tamiya, because when not, spare parts wil be a problem i gues.
I dont have the 2012 version though so I wouldn't be able to do that. I wish I could.
260 dollars is a steal, but only when they going to offer spare parts. And then there's the question of how tamiya will react
to this, because this is a exact copy, so i gues lawsuits will follow soon.
Tamiya first made those nice center-capped wheels with the Mountaineer back in the early 90's.
I didnt know that!
😊👍I have to say it looks good! And there you go 12:56 restored easy! Tamiya don't make new stuff because they are making a killing on selling the re pops!
See, thats the thing Steve, I don't think that is the case. it is a small pool that wants these old cars. When that is exhausted...then what? They need modern and flashy like Traxxas...shudder...i can't believe I said that but it is true.
Yeah I guess they should make some new stuff but they hardly do... mr tamiya and his workers got lazy!
Nice thinking about ordering one off bang good right now for 200 bucks.
The price is hard to beat but it really depends on what you want to do with it. If you have any idea to run it or use it as a trail truck, get a Trailfinder 2. They are twice the price and worth it for sure.
I love the Tamiya re releases. Always wanted a bruiser but can't justify the 700+ pricetag.
Same but now that I have two....I really dont like them. They are pretty bad to drive to be honest. They sit there and do nothing while my Trailfinder 2's are used constantly. The original is getting sold off and this one will be modded to be like a trailfinder.
Thanks Alberto! That looks really good. I really wanted to hate it...
However it happened, this IS a 2012 Tamiya Bruiser Clone - and IMPROVED!
The 540 Motor is a bit disappointing, but HIGH Torque Brushless Motors, should be great in it.
I used to hate it - now I WANT one!!!
Carmine 💥 ⛽
I think the rere also has this 540. Only the original had the bigger one. I still say that these cars are nowhere as good as the Trailfinder 2.
Alberto, I completely agree with that. The charm of this, IS it's shortcomings! (Except the Steering! That's GOT to go).
I would LOVE a TF2. They are the ultimate in Scale, and perform well for a Leaf Chassis. However (for MY poor ass), it would be about $600.00, to get a TF2, Complete with Electronics and Accessories....
I'll never be able to afford that. 😥😭
This "Wonderclone", $300.00, ready to take out of the box and go. All I'd want to do right away is - STRONGER Steering, better Tires, take out a Leaf (or two), a Brushless System, and a Driver.
MAYBE $450.00 tops!
The more I think about it, the more excited I get!
Carmine 💥 ⛽
Look for used ones. They fetch 250-300 with upgrades usually.
Great unboxing thanks! I don’t have one but I have purchased a pair of axles as spares for my bruiser re-re. The quality is NOT Tamiya standard... The castings are soft, the bearings are odd and rusty, and the bearing seats in the casting are oversize. They are functional I guess and were fairly cheap but not for the perfectionist...
I wish I had a new one to compare to. I have never had my axles opened before but you would know better than I would since you can compare. Thank you for the info.
I almost want to buy this vehicle... Years ago there was a company selling knockoffs of the tamiya tractor trucks and trailers. toy grade radio, electronics and drive train. cabs were such a blatant copy that they still had the plugs in the back for the light unit switches and the trailer light plug.
Wow really? I didn't know that.
nice good video❤👍
Thank you!
I love your videos great job!
I picked one up for me and I am loving it but I wonder if you can help me, I would like to know if this esc can handle a 3s lipo, soon I will update the electronics but for now I would like to bash it as it is, I can`t find nothing about the esc online and it doesn`t come with no info at all.
Sorry about my English.
Thank you and keep up your great videos.
No it cant and neither can the car. This is built from 40 year old designs and it its driveline is weak for sure. Im sorry about that!
Like putting a jet engine in a Ford Pinto.
The pistol controller and the esc look similar to the ones that come with the HG p401, p402 and p601. All on Banggood.
Oh interesting. I'll look them up.
i think i’m gonna buy one!
Hard to pass up
AMPRO Engineering I’ve wanted a Tamiya bruiser since it was ReReleased and I always love supporting Tamiya But it costed a little too much for my taste.
I may order one of these after all. I'll get the black version.
They are seriously good.
Kit version ordered. It will interesting. I'm excited to compare.
Great video as always I just have a couple of questions. So I love tyco cars especially the bandits this will be my first hobby grade truck so can I use Tamiya parts on this? Like change the shocks and is the wheel 12mm hex? Because I have some hobby grade wheels i would like to put on this if I purchase it. By the way I finally finished my Roger Mears Budweiser Bandit and installed upgrades and the lights from Shapeways I you wanted to see pics so where can I show you them? I amd starting another bandit project as well. Thanks again
I would not use tamiya parts on it. I would stick with the HG parts. The shocks are also specific to this truck as they are only dampers, not springs. As for the hex's, yeah you can get them for the HG P407. You can email me at amproengineering@gmail.com
Mr. Ampro, again with a quality video. Thank you. I am seriously considering getting a Hilux 4x4 style trial truck. I owned a 1980 Toyota 4 wheel drive 4 speed for 25 years. 20 R that truck was gutless and awesome. I put a weber 2 barrel Carb on it and bypassed all the smog pump garb. gain about 20 HP and maintained a solid 15 mpg. My question is trailfinder for twice this price or This HG-P 407 Knocker ?
Very nice. I have had a 1980 2wd since i was 15! I love that truck. The trailfinder is 450ish and though more expensive than this, it is far better to drive and upgrade. Do not waste your money on this unless you specifically want a bruiser.
Crap, now I have to order this. Like today. I have the 2012 Re-re that I did as a Mounty. Im ordering this, going to paint the body and use the Bruiser decals.
Many do that. I think that is a good call.
I was just checking out the price! Is a bargain compared to the real deal!😃👍
Yeah it totally is.
I just painted my HG P407, with TS15 Tamiya blue & rerelease Bruiser decals. It runs so well, hard to pass on the price point.
I agree entirely
I just wish Tamiya would make a 1/4 scale Clodbuster, with big motors on each axle. Just scale up the original with some stronger metal parts here and there. Large enough that the original clod can fit in the bed!
I think that is something Traxxas would do! Haha!
@@AMPROEngineering That's my problem. I will never own a Traxxas for myself. Maybe the old Fiero, TRX10 Bullet or Radicator.
Henry Washington yeah I thought that myself for decades. How I hated Traxxas but I can ignore them no longer.
I purchased the RTR as a gift to a buddy who is new to the hobby. To keep things simple for him, I will supply NiMH batteries rather than Lipo. However, I haven't been able to determine the ESC's jumper settings for NiMH and it isn't covered anywhere in the manual. This truck arrived with jumpers installed but my older truck purchased a few years ago arrived without jumpers so I can't use my truck for reference. It's been a while but by chance do you recall how to configure the ESC for NiMH? thanks so much!!
Oh boy I wish I could! I pulled all the stock electronics out a while back and sold them with another car. I am sure someone on a HG facebook group could help. Good call on going NiMH though, way better for a beginner.
Mine was $250 to my doorstep from Banggood and in only 5 days. Great truck for that price but at $1050 for Tamiya if its pretty much the same thing you got to be nuts.
That is awesome! Yeah Tamiya is crazy right now.
Hi. Enthusiastic RC newby here. Have you done or can you do a vid on setting up a 4 link suspension, with regard to scratch builds, eg: optimum angles, lengths, etc? Thanks and keep up the good work :-)
Hey there Chummy Boy, I actually have not. I know little about crawling as that is not something that I have done but there must be hundreds of videos on that on youtube. If you are planning to do that on a Tamiya Bruiser or this P407, don't wast your time and get yourself an Axial. These are not good trucks for that kind of operation.
I am a complete Tamiya fan, had them all my life and I am currently running a CC-01 bronco and even though it has its faults I love it but I would love to put a different body on it without modifying the wheelbase. Can you suggest a few bodies that might fit?
I wish I could Marc but I know so little about the CC01. I do have one but I am installing a Fiat Panda body from Plastic Dreams on it. Take a look at what CC01 cars Tamiya has made and that will allow you to buy stock body mounts and not have wheelbase issues.
after owning an hg-p407 for one month i have found an annoying design flaw , the transmission is only held in by the two front mounting tabs and the rear tabs are left floating and unattached , there is room to put two triangle shaped mounts but no one makes them , over time the two m3 screws that hold the motor and trans in the frame loosen and the truck develops shifting issues , i am also concerned that the front ears that are the attachment point will eventually break off , if you have time to design the rear transmission mounts i will gladly buy the first set , i already have your front servo mount and steering arm and i love them , keep up the good work .
Man i need to look at that. I have not noticed it but thanks for the heads up!
@@AMPROEngineering No problem , looking forward to seeing what you come up with , i am surprised there wasn't anyone else talking about this issue .
@@AMPROEngineering they kind of tried to secure it with the shoulder screws and wiring gromets , didn't work , the gromets were ripped up and pretty much falling out when i got it , i think that hard mounting the rear transmission ears to the frame is probably the way to go ,
@@AMPROEngineering i just replaced the two grommets on the rear transmission guides and although it did stiffen things up a little there is still a ton of flex in the frame near the lower cross member area and some movement of the transmission causing shifting issues , i still believe that some type of rear transmission mount is necessary because what they have isn't cutting the mustard , i think over time the frame will crack right behind the center cross member i don't know if the 2012 bruiser has the same amount of flex or if it is just the hg-p407's cheap frame rails but its something to keep an eye on for sure .
Yeah I agree that Tamiya should create something that would rival all of the other RC companies
Yeah, I love my Hornets and Hoppers but that is all most nubes think of when Tamiya is used in a sentence.
They created this hobby darn near and just sit on their thumbs now.
AMAZING KNOCK OFF for the Price
I know, it is hard to believe it is that good.
Thanks for the review. Does the body have LED buckets for headlights, tail, brake and reverse?
Sure does, all the same as the rere Bruiser.
AMPRO Engineering Thanks, the box picture shows the headlights lit, does it come with a light kit?
No it doesnt. I just realize that i missed that.
The problem with Tamiya, it’s the fact they charge so much for something that can be made on the penny, while the buyer pays the dollar for such old tech. It’s a revolutionary and advanced truck for its time, but now it’s just... an expensive relic, now the Heng guan has the molds and casts for the parts that are also compatible with original bruisers. And vice versa.
Heng guan has done a service and given us a great truck, a relic of the past back to us for a more appropriately given price tag. I love mine and I’m making a Hilux 4x4 step side clone out of mine. The other was turned into a blazer
I agree 100%
Have you been able to locate the 2.4 x 11mm screw pins to lock the differentials?
Nope sadly
Holy crap! I want one! That thing looks exacly like The original! I wonder if they bought the patent from tamiya.😃👍
Well I was hoping they did but I am pretty sure this is a flat out copy.
How would you compare this drive line to the tamiya high lift wondering which platforme would be better to start with thanks
This is much weaker than the high lift but the high lift has many other problems. I would get the Trailfinder 2 as it is much stronger, cheaper, more usable, has more upgrades and made better.
Very Nice review brother.
Regarding to Tamiya "politics" in termos of production:
I think that they should keeping the releases but seeing ir they aro not loosing money (at least);
Once more I congrat Tamiya beeing a Nikko's Fan; Tamiya keep on evolving in the middle 90's and Nikko tuned it self to even more toy grade.
Once again thank you for this Awesome Review.
Yes you are correct, the Re-re's are great but it seems Tamiya is just missing out on all the evolution of the genres they created. As for Nikko, yeah you are right as well but they needed to fit into the demographic they are targeting and thanks to less expensive (much worse) competition from China, there is little way to go.
:) . Yeah, baggage handlers are called ''throwers!!!''...For a reason. They want to test frisbee theories all the time. And that is the funniest shag rug ever. Great stuff, thanks for sharing !!!
Good point. Amazed it arrived as well as it did.
Damn that looks tight. Now my Original Bruiser is worthless lol.
Haha, I dont think that is the case with the original. There is still a lot with the original that is very different and you know how collectors are...
The HG-P407 seems to have achieved a level of notoriety already amongst passionate Tamiya fans. I wonder how they will react to the latest release, the HG-P417? This brand new model is based on another iconic Tamiya product, the Toyota Hilux High Lift. I am a long term Tamiya fan but was intrigued to check out the HengGuan clone. See me unboxing the new pick-up on my channel, BlackSeaRC. Will it be as infamous as the Bruiser clone?
Oh indeed it has. I've compared several of these since buying this one and it appears that there are several molds being used. I am convinced that this truck was made using the exact same mold as the Tamiya. I think this company making it is the contract manufacturer that Tamiya Doesn't want us to know exists. As for the new one, I can't believe that anybody would even waste their time with that truck. As someone who has spent probably $2000 trying to make that highlift as good as a trail finder 2, It's baffling that anybody would go to that effort to reproduce that vehicle. Again, it looks like this is the same contract manufacturer using actual molds. I don't think it will be as infamous because though the pricing is as idiotic from Tamiya, It is no way near as loved.
They now offer a build kit now.caust less also. I did some checking it is a copy of a tamiya kit and the quality is just a good. I'm thinking of buying the build kit. The transmissions in the og Tamiya are so fun to build. I'm joking on that. I think my tamiya mountineer sounds like a meat grinder when bench testing. I do think Tamiya should do a three speed 4wd truck like blazing blazer 2 or mountianerr 2 etc. 4 link instead of leaf spring etc.
Oh i need to check that out now! Very cool. As for rere's, I think they need to not both with the chassis like you say. They need something that is actually good.
@@AMPROEngineering yeo. So pretty much the knock of bruser you have is just like the bruser release. But alot cheaper.
Hello dear. I have seen your videos and I find them very good. Could you tell me what oil you put in the gearbox or transmission? Thank you
I use ceramic grease. Seems to work well
I got mine today.does your one shift gears smoothly ? Mine sometimes struggle to engage. Motor is spinning but shafts aren’t . Not sure they all do that or I got a bad trany.
Mine is as good as the tamiya so that means it's "ok". I would not shift under load. Come to a stop.
the community relentlessly begged for a rerelease of the bruiser. I bought a HG-P407 and I have found the electronics are passable. The controller is ill fitted in my hand, and I have big hands but the control is just too big... but it is nice that it was included and it does work well. My biggest complaints are;
the drivelines have expansion joints at both ends, this is why they have too much play
the body parts are fitted correctly (could just be poor assembly or my next point)
The body isnt straight (I think i got a poor mold)
my leafs are a bit bent (nothing I cant fix)
My body mounts are stripped in the rear (the plastic piece is not the best, super glue to the rescue)
There is a what I consider excessive play in the transmission, but I dont have another 2012 bruiser to compare to, the planitaries might have more play than the straight cut gears in my 85 bruisers???
these are all kinda minor nitpicks... the chassis is well made and it drives as good as an original bruiser. it was well worth $300 and 19 days shipping.
I hear you. Seems that yours has some issues that mine did not but I suspect that this is a result of high demand as mine was one of the first produced.
AMPRO Engineering I'm just glad I got one. it is a really great value for the money. since I posted I found out that the spacers, bumpers and steering turnbuckle are some sort of soft abs and the servo saver is junk.. I dropped in some left over 85 bits and a servo horn and it drives much better. I really don't mind tweaking such a cheap truck as overall the main bits are fine. also I found the drive shafts are the same as the 2012 remake. I'll probably order some Chinese knockoff rc4wd super scale shafts
also I noted there is no rubber seal on the radio box and the shock boots are really thin, mine already tore one. I'll likely order some tamiya ones or use some left over 85 parts from upgrade I've made over the years
great video! Do they happen to make a kit version of this without electronics for a little less $ ?
Not a problem. To my knowledge they do not but this may change.
Less than $200? Just buy it.
Kits on eBay at $224.00
Ttamiya has always been my manufacturer of choice and the Bruiser has always been a truck I lusted after. However the price has always been prohibitive, even more so now with the current UK exchange rates. I don't normally hold with buying clones but this is an old, old model and surely any patents etc. are long since spent so if the quality is acceptable I will be getting one of these with a tinge of regret that it's not a Tamiya. I don't think this will really eat into Tamiya's Bruiser sales because the Bruiser is so expensive only real Tamiya aficionados will fork out for one anyway.
I agree Bryan. I still believe that there is something going on with this truck and the real one that we do not know yet. Something is fishy..
AMPRO Engineering, HG seems to be a brand that is offering these trucks. They appear to have quite a following with their budget P401, P406 and P601crawlers, and have been in the market for a while. I think this is the first time that they have offered a direct clone/licensed copy (delete as appropriate). Parts support for their existing products is good so hopefully it will be here too.
Hmm this is interesting, maybe they are going to copy and improve on all the entire vintage Tamiya line up? It would be great if they cloned some of the golden oldies like the Porsche 959!
Haha! Man, I can hear Tamiyaclub now...I would be impressed if they made upgrades.
I was wondering if you ever made those parts for The king Blackfoot RC truck the fun and parts please comment back
They will be done when you see them here. They are in progress.
@@AMPROEngineering Because I would like to buy 2 sets of the whole front end parts that you are making And the other part that you made for the staring
What were the extra batteries that you got with this kit? I am considering ordering one of these trucks and would like to order a couple extra batteries with higher mAh for extended run time. Any recommendations?
They were for this truck but have no clue why they were thrown on. 5000mAh are good as long as they fit. This means a soft pack sadly.
Im planning to get the tamiya bruiser. I cant decide if i should get one.
What did you want it for? If you plan on using it for bashing or want to customize it, get a Trailfinder 2 with Mojave body. They are amazing.
Mine didn't come with a manual. I've lost the screw that connects the rear driveshaft to the transmission and I'm not sure what its called or the dimensions. I looked online and found the instructions for the Bruiser, but it uses a 5x5mm grub screw and the HG P407 uses something else. Its like a grub screw, but also has a pin that goes through the driveshaft holding it in place. It's like the screw used to lock the diffs, but a different size
Comically it is called a pin screw. It is an m5 screw? No kidding? I thought it was smaller.
I took the pin screw out of the front driveshaft and took it to my lhs. The closest thing they had was Traxxas #5145 4x15mm pin screw for a Revo. Brought it home and cut off 3mm as the one for the HG was 12mm and it worked. Took all the pin screws out on the rest of the truck and applied threadlock to them to make sure no more fall out. Thanks for replying.
I have just realised the awful gap between the two halves of the body. Do you think it would be worth widening the screw holes so I can get the halves closer together and get rid of that unsightly gap?
Well that gap is accurate. It is where the bed and the cab are separated on the 1:1 truck. I painted mine black so it looks like the real thing. If you close it you will need to account for the body mounts and wheel base alterations.
@@AMPROEngineering I just closed it and it actually brings the wheel arches where they needed to be as they were slightly out before. Even the body mounts and the switch look like they are in a better position now. Strange. Can't tell which I like better now lol.
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I love tamiya products from my 3 monster beetles to my 2 Blackfoots an my 2 MUD blasters which one still sit in the original box an my original clod to my mod clod an my txt 1an my txt2 an my f350 I saw that "bruiser" look a like an it made me mad why haven't tamiya come out with something competitive yet!! They were the rc cars an trucks everyone wanting to have back in the 80's but couldn't afford them because we were kids now we can but there's so many other rc cars an trucks out there with better features. I agree Tamiya needs to wake up dam it an get back on top of the RC list again an yes my first tamiya was a hornet an love it next to my turbo hopper from radio shack
Yeah I know. I do not understand what they are doing. They killed the TRF program and haven't made anything except that ridiculous "comical" grasshopper and hornet. They could make the best scaler on the planet if they tried.
Hi would you have mod parts for Tamiya’s TopForce 1/10?? Great vids 10/10 keep them coming
Right now I do not. I dont own one atm.
AMPRO Engineering thanks again 😄👍
Sir i just want to know if that one has. Differential lock coz i check all rtr clone in there discripition has differential lock . Before buying one
This one looks like it should but I cannot get the pin to get in to lock it. I may need to take it apart and see why it doesn't work.
hopefully there is no nock off version of the Tamiya TT02, because I have a Tamiya TT02
Not at the moment.
Oh my God, I think I need this. What size is that motor, and can I replace that remote with my own?
I is a 540 and all the electronics can be changed.
Decals say Toyato.. funny. Nice truck.
Hahah, I know i think it is hilarious.
Any chance you could find out if this truck has waterproof electronics?
Nope it does not but trust me you do not want to get it wet. The gear box is not waterproof and neither are the axles and they are made with steel parts so that is not going to end well. If you want something to dunk, look at the Trail Finder 2. It is better in every way.