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Main reasons why I bought a @Kinefinity Mavo S35
1. I can use E-mount, PL, LPL, EF.
2. Sensor flexibility, open gate is a must, anamorphic options are plenty and scalable resolution.
3. Upscaling resolution with compromise
3. Eco system. I love that Mavo has built their own accessory that communicate to each other. Monitor, EVF, Etc.
All of that for a new S35 sensor for the half the price of the KX - I’ll take it ha
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0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Why am I leaving the 6k pro
2:51 - Which camera I looked for ( Red, Z Cam, Kinefinity)
3:19 - The camera's I didn't want to buy (Sony, Canon, Panasonic)
4:48 - Key factors for buying a cinema camera
5:52 - Full Frame vs Super 35
7:50 - Z Cam E2 F6 Pro
9:48 - Red Komodo X
13:23 - @crdbag a game changer
15:30 - Kinefinity Mavo Mark 2 S35
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I bought the Kinefinity Mavo Mark 2 S35. Ask me anything.
also, adobe AI audio is cool, but this sounds like my voice is popping the whole time :/
Respect. The Komodo is NOT, a run and gun camera. It's a crew camera.
Agree on Adobe AI. It was magical the first couple times, and then after that you notice all the flaws.
Biggest downgrade is lack of internal ND / eND. I can not move from the 6K Pro with out having internal ND
The voice sounds "warbly" like going up and down a bunch.
@@cinebenjamin yeah kinda annoying. But my mic was turned down and I didn't know so it is what it is
I think that Black Magic is playing the long game, they started with low budget filmmakers who were in film school or highschool and then as we grew up and gained more experience, BM created more and more cameras that fit our needs. Continuing to integrate us into their system and work flow as they prepare for the end game. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next year or two we get a square body, modular design camera that is comparable (at least on paper) to the Alexa mini or the Venice.
Yeah I can agree. We'll see what next year brings
@@CineDailies price cut on the 12k, I think a new model is coming
I’m excited to see what you create with the new camera. It makes sense to use the equipment that suits your individual needs.
As a day one Fuji XH2S user (chosen over the Red Komodo), you got me looking at a whole new company. Very excited to see if this is the cinema body we've all been wanting from Fuji. That sensor is just so amazing, and I'm so in love with it I ignore its flaws, because it works with me the way I need it to. The Komodo just couldn't give me the color's & dynamic range I wanted.
I started looking at the Komodo X as I get pushed further into the need to grow up and get a cinema body, but this is very very exciting. Please Please Please make a video as soon as you get your hands on one!
Not me! I own the 12k and the image is insanely beautiful, but my 6k and 6k pro are still my go to. Took my 6k to Miami last week, the humidity and condensation from hotel to outside to venue, didnt slow it down a bit. It never misses. I cut it on and im shooting in seconds, im only recording to an SSD. I freaking love this workhorse. ill put the 6k image, POST GRADE... next to anyone else's sub $10,000 camera in a shoot out! Congrats on your new camera.
Love it bro!
Great video and a bold and confident move to go for the Kinefinity. You might give that camera the push it needs for broader recognition.
Congrats on the new system my man! Also, that TrackClub hat is DOPE. Much love from East TN🙏🏼
Thanks for watching! And yeah TC came in clutch
I loved my 6 year affair with Fuji, but as I pivoted into more film production, I needed a more cinema focused system. I landed on a Komodo/Canon set up. 0 regrets. The Komodo’s modular cube shape allows for a build that can be much quicker to get up and running than the mirrorless dance of 6,000 cables. Excited to see more of your work with Kinefinity!
Congrats man! I'm sure you will love the camera!:)
Let’s gooo! Can’t wait to see future projects and rigs!
I've fallen back in love with SD cards lately, always having more storage than I need, built in readers on my Macs, it's just so easy
And when Blackmagic makes a box cam, they'll take over
BM must be cooking something
Excited to see all the magic you make with the Kinefinity Mavo Mark 2 S35!
I thought you got the Komodo X, lol! There are many things, like point of view we have in common, and I agree 100%, mostly about what you said regarding the 6K pro and the S35 sensors, so thank you. I don't know anything about Kinefinity, what I know is that you will produce an awesome final result out any camera you work with. You have already proven that; reason why I truly respect you as a filmmaker. Cheers from Italy
Aw thanks Ruben 🥹 i really do appreciate that. I hope to show more of my vision with any camera I use
Very excited for your journey. I am on a similar route, so hopefully I can move to FUJI for my photo/Bcam and then move to KX hopefully by next year when there’s more reviews for it. But that Kinefinety looks like a sick camera for the price.
Another great video! Have fun with the new camera :)
Always loved your BMD content, but I'm stoked to learn more about Kinefinity. There is very little info on TH-cam about those cameras compared to other camera systems on the market. I fully get the heartbreak of being a BlackMagic owner, they are slowwwww to release new tech and cameras. But I think I'm gonna ride the train til the next release and make my decision. Thanks for another great vid, man.
It’s gonna be a great tool for your business bro congrats, can’t wait to see what you produce!
Thanks fam. I can't wait to get it in my hands. I might come back to LA so we can make something with it!
@@CineDailies you know I gotta see it in action! Hmu 🤙🏾
Sheeeeeshhhh my man! Looking forwards to the dope content you'll make around that cam!
You already know!
Congrats & welcome to the Kinefinity family! Ive owned a Mavo LF since Dec 2020 & I can honestly say I is the best investment I've ever made. I feel it gets a bad rep with TH-camrs for some reason but I bought mine because the image quality really is King. Like every camera, it takes a little time to get use to its very few quirks, but it is such an amazing camera I don't think it will bother you. I have both an EF & E mount, hopefully soon a PL mount, so the range of lens options I have is absolutely endless. & Customizing my Mavo rig has honestly been the funniest I've ever had with a camera. I'm filming a feature on it right now & the footage, dude! The Dual Native ISO is insane.
I too came from Fuji. I bought a Fuji XT3 in 2019 & it honestly didn't do for me what I wanted. yes it's an amazing camera but It didn't make me want to go out & film. I was disappointed in how it made me feel & for me cameras are all about how you feel when you use it, not the brand name. Plus I love going to different sets & owning a camera nobody has every heard of lol I always get asked "is that a red?" lol, nope!
Anyways, hope you in joy it bro. If you have any questions please feel free to hit me up. I've run my Mavo to the bone & it's definitely a workhorse of a camera.
Your decision make total sense, i was hoping for the komodo-x, but have the same feeling on the price and wait times
One day! Red or arri
Thank You!!!! Was trying to lean the differences between Super 35mm & Full Frame!
Love your content, bro. You have an informative sincere delivery.
It sounds like you were moving to a more advanced cinema camera at a price point well above the 6k pro. For beginning filmmakers the 6k pro is still a great value. Curious as to why URSA models were not an option. Thanks for your content!
Just based on the first few minutes, sounds like he wanted a small box form factor. The URSA is an all-in-one tank - quite the opposite of the 3 options he was looking at.
The URSA as a "Box camera" would be my dream. braw, 15 stops, Box design. BM also did a box design in the past with the micro cinema camera. I hope BM have plans to build a box camera again.
I use mavo lf few times in my commercial project. What i can say is. I really love the camera. I might buy it soon. Great choice btw.
That was a surprise! I thought you bought the Komodo X. I'm relatively new to the market and your Content has answered many of my questions and helped to figured it out what to buy and where to spend my Money because of your Content I bought a Helios 44 to experiment with Vintage glas without spending much money an man I still learning so much from this lens! Thank you for that.
Congrats. I think I’m looking to graduate from my pocket 6K to the Komodo X but that won’t be until sometime next year. But get that rest and be good to yourself.
Solid. I hope it treats you well!
Blackmagic is a pocket cinema camera that has advantages over other cameras. It is more comfortable to use, and the shots it captures are amazing
Facts. You want to buy mine?
@@CineDailies i got 68$
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@@CineDailies Where are you located and how much?
Been waiting for this one! 🎉
Yup
Saw you and your wife, super cool. But you were busy on stage! But love your content and the Mavo is awesome!
Oh man! Would have loved to meet ya. But thanks!
Great video bro, I’ve been highly considering the V raptor s35 and also looking in to entire kenifinity system. I’m really hoping to see more soon or attempt to test one .
All the best to you bro! And great seeing you again!
@@CineDailies same bro good seeing you
Yoooo 🎉🎉🎉 congratulations my friend!
I hope it gossips up from here!
Appreciate you!
Another great vid bro. Kp the knowledge coming!
I saw you playing around with the Fuji XS20, would love to see a review on that at some point! I think I'm finally gunna bite the bullet on a camera body and I'm stoked its Fuji.
BOOM! Finally Kinefinity getting some love.
I've never really been impressed with Kinefinity's highlight detail, but maybe this new sensor will have more latitude. If anyone can make the Mavo s35 MkII look good, it's gonna be you. Keep up the great work, my man!
cant wait to see some test footage from the kinefinity 35 when you get it! Also want to see how well it grades compared to BRAW from the bmpcc6k pro
Totally! All of that will be coming
The only thing stopping me from wanting to pick one up as well, besides money haha, is waiting to see if BMD puts their new 12k sensor in a smaller/more affordable maybe 8k package
That’d be a pretty killer package
True.
Was waiting for this one to drop! Super nice explanation of your thought proces. Been looking at this camera too, these are some of the things I still have to figure out before making the jump (also coming from the 6k pro):
- How do you look at this camera from an investment perspective? Kinefinity still seems quite the new kid on the blok (at least in Europe)
- What are your thoughts on brand recognition compared to something like the Komodo X and the potential for charging for your camera package?
- What ND system are you planning to use with the camera? Not having internal ND’s is quite a big downside compared to having them inside the camera like the 6K pro.
Keep up the good work, looking forward to more content about this camera!
I have the same questions looming for me as a 6K Pro user and one who has considered Kinefinity in the past.
Hey Tijmen thanks for your questions.
1. Outside of my commercial work, I purchased this camera as my investment in the narrative space. It's a system that can provide all of the tools for that space. If I can get it on commercial sets, that's even better. But for now I use the camera that will best fit the job, I don't try to focus one camera over another.
2. Brand recognition doesn't matter unless the client or production explicitly asked for said camera. But in reference to kinefinity, pro res 4444 hq will be suitable for most production, if not all
3. I'm using Tiffen 4x5.65 NDs and moment VNDs
I did the same thing and moved on to a proper cinema style body. I felt the P6K Pro wasn't good for hand held movement because it was too light and had an awkward weight distribution. Don't get me wrong though, there is a place in my workflow for it, it's just that money isn't finite so I had to choose between one over the other.
In case you're wondering, I went with the URSA 12K and I don't regret it. The image pipeline is night and day improved from the launch firmware (pre firmware 7.7). The lowlight also doesn't get enough credit as it does really well in the 12K mode because the noise is so tiny, detail is still present and the noise is therefore not distracting like on lower megapixel cameras.
I heard there is another Blackmagic event coming this summer but 😅 not sure what they will bring out.
Nice video and looking forward to seeing more content around your new cam!
At this point, my hearts been broken to many times haha. But we'll see
Just saw a rumor that they will be joining the L- Mount alliance with a full frame sensor🤔 wonder how credible that is
😂 i saw it on CNN
@@JosephBaca813 where'd you see that?
Yo! Thanks for the shout out. :) Great video, can't wait for you to get the camera.
Thanks for the info!
This video is amazing as always 🔥
Glad you think so!
OMG I forgot to grade 4 clips 😂😂😂😂😂
LOL, this is awesome
Nah too late, keep this version. I been waiting for this post lol
keep this version man there are some sweet mistakes that give a twist to videos
Plot twist: BMD 6k pro decides to jump ship after owner forgets to grade its footage
That’s what happens when your brain is fried after travel then taking care of kiddos
Love your work, truly hate the cameras you use. 😂😂😂 I know you’re gonna kill it though! Good luck! 🔥🎥🔥
HAHAHA thank you? What cameras did you except?
Your tastes are bold and eclectic, brother...five star content....🔥
I wish Panasonic would jump onto this trend of box cameras. I love the glossy look the EVA-1 gives.
Solid information as always Fam!
Thanks for watching!
Right now I’m looking at a mini ursa 4.6k and a bmpcc6k pro, leaning towards the latter(I’m buying used) But now I also found an EZ f6 and am really torn towards what to get. It’s going to be my first real cinema camera, and was ultimately going to go with the bmpcc6k pro because of this guy but now that he’s upgrading should I also just go for a “better” one off the go since I wont have to eventually buy 2 cameras? Whats tour 2 cents, and in advance thank you:)
Great video!
hopefully the alexa 35 will stop the full-frame obsession in its tracks… super 35 has been an industry staple for a reason, and the only reason FF (large-format) caught on was because of the sudden need for 4K acquisition and presentation. how many large-format cinema sensors are stitched again? 😂 why do we *need* shallow dof all the time (we don’t, compose the damn shot)?
I don’t see the Alexa 35 overtaking the Mini LF on most film / TV productions
what is that lens cap that you have in the thumbnail?! that is so cool!
Great video :) was thinking of getting a BMPC 6K for my first cine camera
It'll be a great choice
I'm currently selling mine - dm if interested
Nice video, I have not heard much about your new camera. Blackmagic is rumored to be releasing a full frame L mount camera by the end of 2023, that’s exciting too!
I'll believe it once I see it
@@CineDailies haha, totally. Sometimes these rumors are just that.
Yeah I'm going with the kinefinity as well, I was a huge fan of the zcam but it lacked a lot of things I wanted in a camera but had great image quality. So I went with the Bmpcc6k pro. Now I'm going with the Mark ii. Komodo is over hyped in my opinion and a 6k camera going cost 10 grand just too shoot
Awesome topics that I'd love to follow
Thanks for watching!
Howdy! Set lighting technician here! Currently I'm a local 484 worker here in Oklahoma and am looking to branch out into commercial videography. Great video! I think I'll probably purchase the 4k as I'm 18 and have just recently started working on bigger shows. Money's a little tight. I've used the 4k quiet a bit in the past. Do you think there's better options for a similar price range?
Been on the zcam s6 for about 2 years now and really wanting something different. Of course would love the Komodo x but anything over 3-4K a bit out of reach at the moment.
any tips on getting to that level of business finance?
I assume it’s work work work work work hahah
I have a pocket 6k and Kinefinity Mavo LF, the LF is in a different world compared to it, but I still love the pocket.
I love the video! I can hear that you used Adobe Podcast enchane? 🤔
It always adds this weird robotic sound at the end of words.
Yeah it does, I needed to use it because my mic was turned down to low ha
Awesome video brother! Love the channel. Can you please explain what you meant by "more robust media than SD and CF express cards"? Thanks I appreciate it!
Thanks for watching! But yeah my next camera will have a 1tb ssd as it's media. It's an enclosure so once I'm ready to dump, I just plug it in.
The build quality of the sd cards and cfast cards wear down much faster
@@CineDailies that's awesome! You buy the SSD separately and attach it to the camera? I already have a bunch so that would be great when I'm ready to make the move.
@@BenPhanStudios haha it's called a kineMag for the mavo s35. It goes directly into the camera. It's their inhouse media. 😅
@@CineDailies that makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, I really appreciate it!
I've been really curious to test out Kinefinity's cameras, but can't seem to find any rental house that carries them. I usually go with LensRentals or LensProToGo and neither carry anything from Kinefinity :(
Another dope video!
Appreciate it!!
It took 3 months for me to find a buyer for my bmpcc6k pro fully rigged with lens kit
and i had to sell it for like 2800, way under for what was about 5k in cost
were you able to get a buyer? congrats!
Epic content boss❤
Although I'm still in the market for a cine camera, all my research has pointed to the BM. The one you chose is better but twice the price as well.
Almost 3 times the price but yes the 6k pro will get you through a lot of jobs
The combination of 6k, ProRes 4444 XQ and an active PL mount that reads the /i protocol hasn't been available at this price point before.
Insane right?!
It is insane! I run VFX/post house and Arri has a total domination of the pro market. No other brand comes close. Kinefinity is the contender for being a true indie alternative.
@@tobiasfalk9112 where are you based? Ima need you to test this out ha
I'm in Stockholm, Sweden. My company is called Cinegrace and we do VFX and have our own VP system. Ursa 4.6 Pro has been my main camera for years, but as you say, nothing new happens. I'm buying the S35 MK II as soon as I can.
What camera/setup would you suggest for home videos, family gatherings etc?
Your phone, that's an honest answer
Man that's awesome, I've been really looking into Kinefinity. I think that their image has the nicest rendering and cinematic motion below the RED V-Raptor and Used Alexa price point. I don't know what Kinefinity is doing, but they have some secret film sauce in their image. I've owned two Komodos sold them becasue I never liked the image. There's something weird about the Komodo motion and image, and the skin tones are always brown/orangish. I own an Arri Amira and I love the image, but man the camera is so heavy it's a back breaker. I'm thinking of getting a Kinefinity, not sure if S35 or FF model. I'm looking forward to seeing your footage. It's taken forever of Kinefinity to ship the new cameras. When are they shipping your camera?
Great video!
How would you compare the 6K FF and Pro against the 6K G2? I'm considering the 6K G2 over the other two, because the difference of the 6K Pro pretty much only is the built-in ND filter. I have a matte box with ND filters already. The 6K FF is full-frame, which can be worth it, but not sure if that's a big leap worth the money (€1k).
Currently have a rigged out BMPCC 4k (with ext battery, matte box and nd filters, ext monitor etc.) and I am also not sure if it is worth the upgrade to the 6k G2. The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and if I sell the BMPCC 4k, it is only €400 extra for me to upgrade from the 4k.
Thank you!
@CineDailies thank you so much for your clear and interesting video. Only a quick question: at 7:10 you say "except if you're shooting with with Sony that is a cheat code..." What do you mean?? What's the issue with Sony? Thank you so much 😊
Ha the dual native ISO for low light
@@CineDailies thank you so much! 😊
I shoot brand films and corporates and have been working for 30 years. Clients as a rule don't care about camaras. I spent $1500 on a gh5 in 2018 and nobody has ever mentioned anything negative about the image quality since then. Rule of thumb Shoot more, spend less
Did you consider the ursa 12k? Maybe you do a lot of gimbal shots and it is too big? Or maybe you need better low light performance? I like the image out of the kinefinity cameras but I ended up going with the ursa just because the image quality and frame rates were so far superior imo.
Have you already bought the accessories that’s needed for the MAVO MK2?
Do you feel the lack of raw capabilities on the Mavo is a big deal? I still use a Sony A7siii but looking for a new A cam.
Not a big deal at all. Pro res is more than enough.
Have you considered that Kinefinity only does cdng (which is a pain) and kineraw (which is not supported in Resolve)?
There no raw option in the Mavos. Whatch my 4 month review
A lot of people are sleeping on Canon for this generation. The previous entries really didn't deliver the full package but the c70 is proving to be a ever evolving powerhouse. Solid Autofocus and low light, incredible battery life, internal ND, audio and recording options galore, one of which is internal RAW on affordable media. Finally you have a great s35 sensor with maybe the best dynamic range in the sub 10k range with a flexible mount/adapter configurations. I think the c70 is offering the best overall platform right now. Excited for the mk2 versions coming down the line.
It's it amazing to be in an era where there are so many many good cameras to choose. It's not about picking the best camera on paper but the one that will get the job done and what you'll enjoy using
Sick Bro. You shot S.O. Music video? 💪
I did! Great guy - the song is called, kinda love
Damn I just raged about my blackmagic cam haha and than this video pop out.!😁
LOL it's still a good camera. No need to feel down about it
@@CineDailies haha yeah of course. But I think it's just not for me. Too much hustle. Not in my state of cinematography 😊
Weave more faith into it brother. Truth is of most importance. I love to see you work as well.
Things do be changin dont they?!
Fast bro
I have to 100% agree with your decision to move on from Blackmagic. They really have not responded to the numerous long-term requests from their cinema user base to give us something else. Instead Blackmagic has gone all in to the broadcast and streaming side of the business. I waiting for any type of announcement over the last 6 months and got....crickets.
Because of that I also made a change. I went through the exact same list and rational that you did. My only difference is that after also using Sony cameras for the last two years, I really loved the full-frame look. However I am also moving into more green screen cyc work and virtual production. That was my tipping point so because of the global shudder I went to the Red Komodo-X. Yes, the cost was a lot, especially since I am starting new with Red. I am getting the black version and have been told I would get it by the end of June. That gives me time to bring everything else into house.
As to your decision on the Kinefinity, I looked at them but I have to say that Gerald Undone's breakdown of that camera last year ( with the old sensor ) really made me doubt that their new version was going to be able to hit it out of the park. Add that to the almost complete lack of on-line footage of the new sensor, and no youtube reviews of the newer versions just reinforced Gerald's review. I look forward to what you think of this camera as you get it and play with it. I loved the body...but the sensor just scares me. I posted on Blackmagic's site 6-8 months ago that if they used their sensor in Kinefinity's body it would be the perfect camera. Thanks for your video and I'll be waiting for more on your new camera.
I’m trying to decide if I want the X-H2S or X-S20 as a hybrid. I like to shoot wildlife some and already have the Fuji 150-600 and Viltrox 13.
Just know the xh2s is the flagship. It'll out perform any other Fuji camera. that stack sensor is hard to be so wildlife will be perfect for this type of camera.
@@CineDailies no doubt… $1300 vs $2200 used… the struggle is real. Lol Having the high end X-H2S EVF would be nice.
I'm waiting on that Komodo X.
I have a strong dislike for RED as a company for gatekeeping real raw compression and holding back the entire industry by keeping the patent (that should’ve never been granted because it was vague and others was already doing similar things) to themselves, and also suing any other company that tries to do the same.
We all look forward to your "I was wrong" video.
lol what?
Yo that flat LOG is so feelin flat dammmmmm
Lol did you see my pin comment? Wasn't intentional just forgot to grade it ha
@@CineDailies i did afterwards 😁. Fresh video nonetheless
You’re gonna be waiting along time for the camera. I pre-ordered in Mach and they would say they’re shipping end of march then April then may and June then they told me July lol I was in the 1st list of people to get it so I canceled. I really wanted the camera but idk the company can’t be trusted yet.
Lol we shall see. Tough for you man. You pre ordered the s35? Or LF? And from where?
The Alexa 35 is not just better dynamic range has better colors just wwaaaaaaaay better as 1st ac is is exciting when i see on the rental list the 35 just so happy to work with that cam snd so beautiful to look at the image on the monitor ( it drains battery like crazy have my 2nd ac always on standby with battery) lol 😂
I oversimplified it, but you get my point hahaha it's the new standard
@@CineDailies it would be aong video ahah but good on you man some DPs here in Japan praise the kinefinity colors to be very good as arri 🤟
Brother just casually shooting S.O like nothing
Congrats Bro!!! I will not pick up another cam until these sensors (not including Arri) +18 stops of dr
I really love the look and price point of Kinefinity. I think my main issue is their lack of marketing, and how that'll hurt me when I'm pulling up to set with a camera nobody knows. I hope they're able to put some budget into getting the cameras out into more hands.
U should get an IMax at this point lol, I am still a noob and Xh2s can do way more than I could use
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Very cool video, surprised how many people complain about rolling shutter.. lack of options... and this and that, when look at cinema, photography, of the last 50 years. People didn't have s**t compared to now, and still made like... iconic images and film.
Exactly
The S35 comparison to full frame neglects the loss of light. To achieve the same exposures, the S35 takes more work on lens and ISO. You can see in that footage the S35 is half a stop to almost a full stop dimmer than the FF. Field of View is not the only noteworthy difference.
Again, it's was just a quick look at what most ppl think of when comparing the two. It's certainly a bigger conversation to have. I'll look into this.
Besides you have to factor in lenses that are using T stops versus F stops as well.
As well as native ISOs in Log. Flog 2 base is 1250..
The Crayola endorsement opened up new horizons. I do wonder about repair/service on more boutique brands. Harder to get a duplicate rental in meantime.
bmpc 6k pro rocks.....
It does
New Black Magic 6K is coming at the end of summer.
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I’m stuck between Panasonic S5ii or Fuji xs20
Two very different cameras lol what do you need?
What city are you in?
The F6 and F6 pro have a stop more dynamic range than their S35 counterpart the S6 - so the statement about S35 sensors having more dynamic range isn't necessarily true at all.
The c70 and red Komodo have 2 more stops than the f6 pro. And even the xh2s has the same amount of DR as the f6 pro. This proves my point, Don't read into what the marketing tells you.