I bought THIS cinema camera over a RED!? - Kinefinity Mavo mkii s35 cinema camera
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0:00 Intro
0:39 Check out CRD bags
1:05 Why this over the LF
1:32 XH2S sensor?
1:53 Rolling shutter
3:38 Bootup time
3:54 External body features
6:23 Buttons
7:34 XLR ports
7:54 Battery
8:22 Ports
9:15 Monitor
12:02 Settings and Menu
19:35 Any more questions?
19:43 Comparing to XH2S
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If these are ok just copy and paste:
0:00 Intro
0:39 Check out CRD bags
1:05 Why this over the LF
1:32 XH2S sensor?
1:53 Rolling shutter
3:38 Bootup time
3:54 External body features
6:23 Buttons
7:34 XLR ports
7:54 Battery
8:22 Ports
9:15 Monitor
12:02 Settings and Menu
19:35 Any more questions?
19:43 Comparing to XH2S
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It's coming - flighing to LA atm
@@CineDailies
0:00 Intro
0:39 Check out CRD bags
1:05 Why this over the LF
1:32 XH2S sensor?
1:53 Rolling shutter
3:38 Bootup time
3:54 External body features
6:23 Buttons
7:34 XLR ports
7:54 Battery
8:22 Ports
9:15 Monitor
12:02 Settings and Menu
19:35 Any more questions?
19:43 Comparing to XH2S
Looks to be a great camera. I'm not really ok with a super 35 sensor having that much rolling shutter personally though. I've owned a BMPCC 6K Pro, an S1H and an FX3 and to me, I can't unsee it in my old footage. I'll forgive it a little with full frame, but I guess this is why the Komodo is so popular for a lot of ops genuine first cinema camera. The Mavo is a totally legitimate choice too, I just know it would bug me after a while.
Good stuff my brother! Love your vids! Learn so much from ya!
Great video! Excited to see more. I appreciate all the detail you’re putting into this.
Thanks for watching!
used a Mavo LF mk1 for years now, and this thing is a workhorse .
Excellent video and overview. I too use the XH2s and would love a comparison video from you. Having owned older kinefinity cameras this looks like an awesome natural progression.
Hello there! I've been a dedicated follower of Kinefinity right from the Mavo Lf era. It's quite disheartening to witness fellow creators consistently disparage this camera, merely due to it not being a Red or Arri. Their over-the-top criticism contrasts sharply with the camera's genuine potential visible to anyone with a discerning eye. On a positive note, it brings me joy to see someone I actively follow take ownership of this camera. As I'm actively considering getting one myself, I eagerly await more extensive footage and field usage to aid my decision-making process. Given the scarcity of content surrounding these cameras, it's a much-needed development. Congratulations on your latest camera acquisition, my friend!
Been waiting for this video! 🔥
Hope you enjoyed it!
Excellent breakdown of the menu!! Now I know the camera :D, Only special request I'd have is comparing it to the S5IIX... but thee X-H2s is good enough and greatly appreciated. Can't wait to see more on this beast of a cam.
Just finished the video, looking forward to your coverage in this camera bro. Hopefully they add EL zone and lag is resolved through firmware updates
On another note, the dopest thing about this camera is the mounting flexibility. This is so awesome to me and really helps ensure the lifespan of lenses one own.
The video we were waiting for
The ports on the front are cool!
Lets go bro!!!! Thanks for posting
Love the video. I am far from this camera in my career. I am a noob. I have the fujifilm x-s20 coming tomorrow. Looking to do bracketing and real estate videos for clients as I grow as a film maker. However, I love learning about cinema 🎥 cameras in the process and getting ideas (on a smaller scale) for TH-cam vids and my use cases for lesser tiered cameras.
Only LOG? Not a deal killer but...
Your daughter is great. Kids Rock!!
Haha thanks! She's fun to work with
Great video! You footage looks nice, but I think the Mavo LF 6k has a little more cinema magic to the image.
Damn that’s some rolling shutter!
Great video fam but can those issues get better? Seems to me it's processing power.
Well done, now get out there and shoot as much as you can so we can see how good this cinema camera is.
Looking forward to all the future content, thanks for being so thorough in your videos.
Cost
Great video. Also, where can I pick up that Sunny Sixteen hat? Asking for a friend...
I still need to grab some CRDbags. I think they'll fit perfectly in my Pelican
Best review for the Mavo ii thus far
Do you know of the Mavo LF ii is also an updated sensor to the original?
Thanks! I believe it's the same sensor and the mark 1 LF. The S35 is the only new sensor in the line up
Ooof that rolling shutter gnarly. Komodo might’ve been the move
really need to get familiar with red sensor and red r3d since many of my future project/intern need to have that, shouldn't spent expensive rental fee just to learn, so personally i would pick a red simply to learn more
Now that arri has 4k, why are any projects using reds? Rental costs aren't thaaat different. Netflix was using Red a lot but that was because they made a 4k mandate but arri has 4k now.
rolling shutter only effects certain shots! I was so worried about it before my Fx30, but now that I have it, its honestly never been a huge issue.
Yep!
thank you!
about camera - love kinefinity from their first titles! Kinefinity terra 4K was like the door to cinema world for real money!
about this one - rolling shutter is awful! unfortunately.
Maybe it is my problem. But I hate rolling shutter. Really.
And that why I bought Sony RX10 m2 (m4 lately) in 2016.
It was great for its money, but more important for me - small sensor with barely no rolling shutter. Hardly seen!
Was great for sport, action and so on.
That mount integration is really smart, can you do comparison with other cine cameras if possible?
Not sure if I'll have time. But I'll see
Hello,did you test sound quality?
This camera is way better than any Red! Im glad Kinefinity is starting to get the love it deserves
Haha I'm not hear to start another camera war ha both are great systems with cons
THANKS MAN!!!!
Thanks for watching!
How is the anamorphic shooting? When you take the footage into post, do you have to transform the footage? Or does it automatically import the footage to where you don’t have to transform it?
When I shoot with my Z cam, I have to manually adjust the anamorphic footage.
Great question! I don't have any anamorphic glass at the moment but am assuming it's straightforward.
But I'll confirm when I do
@@CineDailies perfect, that’s 1 of the features I loved from komodo compared to the zcam. Wasn’t sure if it was a red thing but not having to de squeeze in post was just dope and time saving
Nice video. Btw, I don't know if someone told you but you have the same voice as MKBHD.
Not the first time 😆
I heard if you buy a A1 and a 300MM GM lens from B&H they will let you ride the roller system on a sled from the top floor down!
Is that so 😅
I thought you loved your Pocket 6k. Why the switch?
I do but I Needed a different tool.
thank u 🤟🏼
The IQ is just as good as red and better than sony in good lighting. No sony cyan in the specular skin tone highlights. And of course you shoot fuji. Crispy correct skin tone and color footage is to be expected as far as I can tell from this video. For its price point and as long as you don’t run around and do panning action shots the client will be pleased with the footage.
Is the camera you're using to film the Mavo and yourself with it the Fuji?
Yes it is
Feel like we’ve hit a bit of a barrier when it comes to rolling shutter. Red and the Sony FX cameras are great however anything more affordable hasn’t really advanced in the past few years.
That said, wether it’s actually a problem for your productions and most importantly you audience is what really matters. In that case I’ve never had client mention about rolling shutter from shoots where we’ve used the 6K pro or A7iv.
Exactly. It's about the end product.
@@KenFlanagan Film does have slight rolling shutter. Sounds like you need to check your facts son.
@@robertdouble559wow
your kid is soooo~~ adorable!!!
EL zone baby! 😅 4:38
Bro it needs it. I've been spoiled hahha
"I think full frame is over rated"
Finally...someone said it. Been shooting on S35 for so many years and I just never saw a reason to upgrade anything to a Full Frame Camera. Sorry lol
You're not alone brother
yes cheaper glass (and sometimes better framerates due to read-out speed) but decreased lowlight performance is a big detractor for me. If you keep adding resolution but don't increase the sensor size you will end up with terribly noisy images
@@pierceklinke13 While that is true and have ran into some pretty noisey shots, theres ALWAYS lights where I shoot or we bring lights with us...as anyone would on most shoots. If our final image in post is still noisy? We just denoise. Denoising has really come a long way in my opinion. I think full frame/less noise is good for run & gun type shooters and thats where i will prefer a full frame camera. But weve done some very professional shoots with the FX30, in low light, and they look so spectacular
@@Kaotix_music yeah fair, I tend to be more run n gun with being a remote location cinematographer so for me the benefits are there
Congrats on the new camera. Strangely, I’m thinking in the not to distant future, you’ll be making a video about why you are switching from this to the Komodo OG or X. It’s just that the Kinefinity adds a lot of size and weight, but still lacks internal NDs, No Raw and is a brand most people have never heard of… so zero street creds. Service will likely be more changeling should you require a repair… And resale will be terrible as the market for this camera is much smaller when compare to the more established competitors.
Personally I’m holding out to see what Komodo 6K Mk2 brings. I’m hoping for internal eNDs. Jarrod Land the CEO of Red mentioned the Mk2 is in development and the the X is not a replacement for the OG Komodo 6K… the Mk2 will be the successor to the OG.
There’s a filmmaker on TH-cam named ANDBERY that did some great work with the OG Komodo. You should check him out. I know I love mine. I’ll replace it with the Mk2.
In any case I’ll be curious to see what you do with the Kinefinity.
Makes sense what you’re saying! Where did Jarred talk about the og Komodo markII? I’d love to see nd’s in the Komodo but we don’t know still If they’re going to put them or not, they would put them in the V Raptor first right? What I really love about Kinefinity is the endless possibilities in aspect ratios, 3:2 and 4:3 are sweet
He mentioned it in a live stream with Scott Balkum. I don’t know that built in NDs are as important on a main camera. Those camera will be rigged six ways from Sunday anyway. A crash cam needs to be small so it can fit into tight spaces. Built in NDs means on less thing to need to worry about.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 Great point. I'm dying for built in nd filters in small cameras, can't wait to see them. Did Jarred give any hint about the built in nd's or is just our wish and guesses?
I think RED's RF to PL adapter with eND is the solution they propose for those wanting built in ND on Komodo, X or Raptor. Being just released recently I very much doubt they'd release new generation of cameras that would cannibalize sales of that adapter anytime soon.
If you want internal NDs then just buy the mavo edge series, the komodo still does not have this feature available in the OG or X version (hell the V-raptor doesn't even have internal ND which for $25K is a rip off). They have added raw in the most recent firmware update as well for all of the mavo cameras. One huge thing that I don't think gets mentioned enough is having 2 full-size, powered XLR ports for audio on the mavo series is incredible. RED on the other hand has been notoriously bad for their audio I/O options and quality
i thought i was watching MKBHD lol, the voice was so similar, nice review!
Lol
cetta ace vs ranger, which do you prefer?
I haven't used the cetta ace. Just the rangers and Mkx. I'll give my thoughts soon
How’s the reliability of Kinefinity cameras? Even the best camera is worthless if it breaks down out in the field. Does Kinefinity have a support network in the U.S.?
I'll address this in my 4 month review but I've been on 3 commercials and no reliability issues I've come across. Just some quirks. yes they have a US location in Burbank, California for servicing
I wonder why the camera has no built in NDs. I thought that was like a standard has cameras got more expensive. Blanking feature is really dope though
Keeps the base price down
They have a more expensive Kinefinity Mavo Edge 6k that has those, but at that price point any sane person would rather get something more reputable.
Is there any lag with the monitor or SDI out? If not I’d consider buying one. Still happy with it?
Im happy with my purchase. You can't use their monitor on other camera cameras. But there is no lag sdi out
@@CineDailies Do I need to buy their monitor to use the camera? I have a Small HD one I really love. Can I access all menus via SDI and the in camera controls? Sorry to bug you with this but I can’t find the info on their website. And one last thing: has the camera been reliable?
@@relaxwithme3266 all good bro,
1. yes you can use other camera monitors that have SDI (not HDMI)
2. With smallHD you can't use camera control through the monitor. But you can use the on camera controls.
3. I haven't had any hiccups yet and its been 3 months on 3 professional jobs
I have a follow up video coming soon
Thanks very much. Placed an order today on the s35mkii.
@@CineDailies
I'm jelly over that kinefinity monitor tho
Do you find that you miss RAW record capability?
Not at all. I always made sure my exposure, wb, etc were where I wanted them to be. Raw isn't a make or break
Insightful menu and body walkthrough. The title gave me the impression you were going to talk about why you bought this camera over the Red.
Had to make a clicky title ha ha Watch my goodbye video - I explained it there haha
@@CineDailies, I'm all caught up on all your videos. That's why I was confused by the title. Hahaha.
curious about the playback. My homie has an older joint and playback is pretty much non existent
There is play back
@@CineDailies My bad, ill clarify. As in playback not being choppy at hire codecs and resolutions.
@@othellobanaci oh so it's a slow frame rate for sure. Not sure why. But kine is working on it
@@CineDailies Love it. Once they get that playback right game over lol
I don’t understand everyone’s obsession with cameras needing to have internal ND. Doesn’t anyone own any matteboxes and ND filters? Cause you’d mostly be using this style of camera for narrative work which isn’t as run and gun, and if you want to go run and gun, then buy a Sony Fx6 or Ursa mini pro for a similar price range, which has the ergonomics of a run and gun style
Exactly
Internal ND are better for anamorphic and wide lenses
Well having the same sensor as XH2s is not that much of a shame lol
looks like a median format camera
I bought URSA mini pro 12K over RED Komodo and have no regrets
Love that
I think u said nitze rather than nisi for the mattebox
Whoops
@@CineDailies no worry, just in case someone gets confused. Has the boot up time improved with firmwares? Im contemplating looking in to the s35 mark ii
I knew you would get used out of that second thumbnail lol
Had to get it in there - it's crushing too
Shoutout to dad mode 🤝
Never turns off ha
I don’t know where this trend started but creators be acting like if your camera has a 3.2" screen the manufacturer can just make it 5" with a firmware update 🤦🏾♂️
I'm so confused
@@CineDailies probably talking about fixing rolling shutter through fw update.
does this camera have ND filters?
Not internally
rolling shutter is even worse than bmpcc i'm shocked
Reminder that Red is a patent troll company first and foremost, watch their relevance in the industry drop when their fradulent patent expires. (They were granted the patent for the simple mathematical average of four green values, that's redcode compression in its entirety, 4 green values close to each other getting averaged)
Wild
Please pleas PLEASE share some full res open gate footage from this for people to download. There's basically no footage available to download from these camera systems. It would be doing us a GREAT service.
It's coming. Lol
@@CineDailies Much appreciated brother!
great
Dope
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sounds like this camera isnt ready for its close up Mr Demille.
More ready than you think. Because it really up to the operator. And it does what I need it to do
@@CineDailies congrats! If you're happy, that's all that matters.
to be honest rolling shutter looks terrible, even worse than pocket 4k.
yea, that rolling shutter is horrendous.
I've bought a Zcam Once and I regret eternally. The camera just stoped working one day and the only way to repair it was sending it to China.
You know there's a US repair shop
"Full Frame is overrated" he said... ... ..."is overrated" he said....
Well…it is
@@CineDailies Wow... just... wow! I have nothing polite to say to that.
Soooooo XH2S is better 😂
Sorry to say but I don’t think you’ll own this camera for long.
I was curious at first, but now my interest in the camera is 0%. To me, it is not an impressive camera, nor a desirable one.
Bad rolling shutter, laggy menu, lack of NDs, okay-ish dynamic range, no RAW option, nothing alluring about the color science. Pass.
i don't like it.
Triangle
I might get this over the new zCam. Hummmnn