The efficiency with which you communicate all that info in such a short timespan, very impressive. And a breath of fresh air alongside the vast majority of inconcise videos out there. Solid video as always!
I love how we all talk about 4k or 6k workflows even though most film customers still want their video's delivered in 1080 and the film company I did an internship at never delivered anything in 4k, all 1080p
Nice video mate. It's a bummer can't find the 4k ANYWHERE. Also don't love dropping $700 on a speedbooster to bring EF mount capability. Sure the wider FOV (using mostly vintage lenses with this) and more light, but it's just not good value IMHO. Probably going to be the 6k for me when the time comes. Great review, thanks again for doing the leg work on this.
Whoa.. that was a lot to take in. I normally keep up with your videos and walk away feeling a tad bit smarter. However, all the Q0 3:1 talk had me dumbfounded, and now I feel like I lost a few braincells. Just goes to show how much more I have to learn. It’s a good thing I’m subscribed with that notification bell (ding). Man, I can’t wait until you break down the elusive Sony a7 s iii... eventually.
I'm glad I have the P4K, because with either camera, I would mostly be shooting in 4K. And the P6K does not have BRAW available in the 4K mode. Being able to shoot in BRAW is important to me. Excellent comparison video.
i can guarantee you within next 6 months it will have the update for 4k raw & trust me it will be down sampled version internally, which means more clean, sharper & better image than p4!
Your videos are incredibly informative, and you break down so much knowledge for newcomers and those getting started (like me). Please keep up the fantastic work.
First of all, love your videos. Commenting cause I care :D So I hypothesize your T5 works in 4K50p Q0 in low ISO conclusion is due to high ISO adding datarate more than the T5 can write. This is however a dangerous conclusion because a fast pan, or a lot of movement would likely also cause dropped frames of high ISO does, so I would not recommend Q0. I was able to consistently get dropped frames with T5 and Q0 with fast pans and by shooting screens with lots of movement. Keep up the amazing content!
Thanks, Kenny! I think that's good advice. I did test it violently. Pans, running, etc. and it never dropped. But for safety, I'd agree with you and say 5:1 is the best bet for crucial stuff.
@@geraldundone I tested this fairly thoroughly in a more systematic way. I used a high detail scene (full leaves pattern) and blocked it off with a piece of paper at 0%, 50% and 100%. It turns out that both "constant bitrate" and "constant quality" are variable codecs, but the constant quality has a bigger variance. Motion had no direct effect. A static scene or moving scene was the same. I did not see any effect of ISO setting on this, but it's not something i tested for. This bigger variance leads to hitting the media write speed limit more easily during different scenes, which will result in immediate "failure" of being able to record. It is difficult to test this, because quite often, the limiting issue is the writespeed of the media itself. SSD's can drop their writespeed as their capacity is used, which can lead to confusing results during testing. I specifically used SSD's that were verified to sustain a writespeed beyond the pocket 6K port limit for 90%+ of it's capacity, and frankly it's a nightmare to find SSD's that support this. The conclusion was, that the 6K cannot run "full tilt" even with the highest rated storage (500MB/s over the CFAST). 6k Q0 50FPS is directly not feasible and should not be attempted. It would only ever work as long as the scene detail is very flat. I believe that understanding the dynamic compression ratios and data rates is crucial to operating the pocket 6K effectively, and i imagine that quite a lot of people will have issues with this, as it's difficult to find good media and testing requires special scene setup with full detail to simulate possible scenarios. It would be great if BMD made a third type of codec; a codec that compresses based on available media writespeed. And with a "effective datarate" graph on the monitor. Set by user as 300MB/s, 400MB/s etc.
At first I thought this camera's release would replace or obsolete the 4k, but giving time and seeing people's reviews I definitely see how that not the case here and they are two different tools for two different use cases. And the EF mount that limits adapting is a bit of a bummer too.
I'm subbing bcs 2:16 with an intro this is a very thorough and informative video as someone who makes money and is not a hobbits the precision in which you hit key points is unmatched.
As a software architect I assume what happened in that drop frames test. I believe the problem with the recording bitrate test was that you didn't adjust your lighting when changing ISO values; those codecs (Blackmagic RAW) actually DO COMPRESS, however they don't compress in terms of 'usable data', but storage-wise - just as you would compress a .zip archive or so. This is why you did get different effective bitrates - less/more light led to lesser compressing capability of the BRAW codec, as where were more colors that couldn't be compressed in storage Hope this sorts out any confusions :)
Blackmagic Pocket 6k S35 with 50fps, 12-Bit BRAW, best dynamic range, great lowlight, color science and that display for $2495 with EF mount! 😍 I’d fo sure rather buy both Pocket 6K and 4K for less than the cost of an S1H. Canon lenses inbuilt IS and autofocus is also great. I suspect you have switched to Davinci Resolve STUDIO now?
Gerald Undone , your review is fantastic. Thanks so much, you save me a lot of time. Contact me if you need any tech help ever. My website is my email. Who knows, maybe we can work on a project together one of these days.
I kind of suspected you would have better highlight reproduction in a 6K image. Thanks for reinforcing that. Also it’s nice to know that 100° kelvin change in color temperature brings the camera closer too other cameras. That’ll save a ton of time in post on multi cam shoots. I wonder if that is just a software tweak or an actual result of the Image sensor construction. I suppose we probably have to ask an engineer at black Magic design team for that info.
Very rich content as always. I wish you you could a side by side comparison between BMPCC6K and Sony A7 III in terms of real world Dynamic Range and low light capabilities.
Both cameras are great. But personally I feel that the flexibility of the m34 mount on the 4K model and adaptability to use FF lenses with a speedbooster, is invaluable and trumps the 6K model. If, I say ''if'', BlackMagic had released the new 6K camera with an interchangeable lens mount system (kind of like the new Canon C500II), they would have completely taken the market by storm, put lots of people out of business and obliterate most competition literally overnight. I think it was a missed opportunity. Of course they can still do it down the road as an updated re-release version of the same camera.. but timing is everything. Thanks for the video, Gerald.
We need a short working segment of the bayonet mount! Write something to the BM forum, because there are a lot of unique optics and a lot of shooters who have been collecting this for years ...
There were a few misleading info about recording capability. Depending of what you are filming, your rate will change. Even at 3:1 is going to fluctuate a tiny bit. So unless you recorded something on screen that could generate the biggest amount of complexity for the codec, you can't say that you are OK, especially if it worked at iso 1000 vs iso 1250... But since most shoot at 30fps or under in general, it not a problem !
We need a short working segment of the bayonet mount on 6k version! Write something to the BM forum, because there are a lot of unique optics and a lot of shooters who have been collecting this for years ...
Hi Gerald, at 5:49 you mention that the Samsung T5 is not fast enough, I agree... but there are alternative that could be mention as alternative for external SSD... And it's even cheaper... So Blackmagic RAW Q0 is possible with external SSD... ======================================== Fact: On Amazon the "Samsung T5 - 1 TB" is 239$ CA max theorical written speed = 520 MB/s ======================================== The alternative: Sabrent Rockets M.2 2280 SSD interne 1TB @ 150$ CA. max theorical written speed = 2000 MB/s DishyKooker Enclosure SSD NVMe USB3.1 Type-C @ 35$ CA Max speed: 10 GB/s DockCase Câble USB C vers USB C 2-pack @ 25$ CA Max speed: 10 GB/s For a BIG total of 210$ CA ==================================== www.amazon.ca/Sabrent-Rockets-M-2-2280-interne/dp/B07ZZYWTBP/ref=pd_sbs_147_9?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07ZZYWTBP&pd_rd_r=1b35963f-c84f-474a-8953-5e045bc8a007&pd_rd_w=5PqhF&pd_rd_wg=6uurq&pf_rd_p=c7838c3c-6de6-46ad-946c-b7318af714fb&pf_rd_r=E7R7SY2P4G0SM2PPSK3W&psc=1&refRID=E7R7SY2P4G0SM2PPSK3W www.amazon.ca/-/fr/DishyKooker-Bo%C3%AEtier-disque-USB3-1-YWQ-20190730-USCE-0E649A1D0A/dp/B07VW9RRP1/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_fr_CA=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=ssd%2Bm.2%2Bnvme%2Bhousing&qid=1576508037&s=pc&sr=1-3&th=1 www.amazon.ca/-/fr/DockCase-C%C3%A2ble-USB-vers-2-pack/dp/B07PQRPTRM/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_fr_CA=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=USB+3.1+Type+C+cable+10Gbps&qid=1576508467&s=electronics&sr=1-8 ==================================
Finally, a 4k TH-cam video of a 4k camera. Is that too much to ask for? :) You wouldn't believe how many reviews of this camera are out there in 1080p.
Definitely helpful!I just dont know how you find the time to do your super detailed videos..haha, perhaps an idea for a new up and coming video for you, a video BTS of how you systematically make these research and shoot the video in such a methodical way as you do..😉
Another great video thanks Gerald. What would your recommendation be between getting a pocket 4K or a Sony fx30? I have a Bmpcc original 1080p and I think the footage looks amazing. But I also use a Sony fs5 2 for work and it has benefits like better auto focus. The main filming I am doing is talking head videos and some music videos. Cheers Glenn
It sounds like the 6k is a beast with some weird quirks that limit it's dominance, but those quirks could potentially be fixed with a software update (e.g. "unlocking" BlackMagic RAW for regular 1920x1080)
@@NakeanWickliff exactly, that is why is never going to happen otherwise you'd end up with a massive crop factor which would be unusable. (same reason why there's no 4K BRAW, that would give you a crop factor that is more severe than the one on the BMPCC4K due to the smaller pixel pitch so again, not very practical in real life) :-)
Would soooo want to see a comparison between BRAW and Magic Lantern Raw from a Canon 5d mark iii.... Who wants to donate a 5d mark iii to Gerald so he can do his Undoing?!
To elaborate... Besides the obvious differences in resolution. It would be interesting to see how the 1080p full frame 'Cinema DNG' footage from a 2012 camera can hold up against todays Raw video standards as far as dynamic range, image quality, etc etc etc!!!!
Very well covered the differnces and stuff nobody is talking about! Tbh I think its a shame that the camera starts dropping frames as soon as you go above ISO1000 - why are you accepting a bug like that? I think thats a no go if i have to change my workflow and the recording just because BM still releases buggy firmwares. The point with the 4K mode in the bmpcc6k is also pretty disappointing - i mean, you buy a camera for 2,5K that can shoot 6K Braw but not even 4K braw? I mean its technically possible but they simply disable this function?? Thats just a way for BM to sell their bmpcc4k and a pretty unfair point for everyone who gets a bmpcc6k
Thanks! I think I would be more bothered by it if it was more persistent across different settings. But the fact that it works fine in 5:1 or Q5, or even at 30p at Q0 is enough to get the job done. I mainly feel this way because I'm using USB storage, which is a feature that not many others have implemented yet. So, I'm willing to accept minor limitations to be able to use affordable SSDs for 6K raw.
Hah, interesting. You did with image what you usually do with sound clips. Super tiny 2-3 frame fade to mask the cut. I might just try it out. Looks pretty nice.
@@geraldundone Maybe it doesn't work as well when the whole scene changes, but for talking head where 90% of the framing stays exactly the same.. Pretty perfect.
Gerald, I still have my Tamron Canon mount glass (15-30-f2.8, 24-70-f2.8, 70-200-f2.8). I have always been happy with these lenses and I’m wondering if they would work on the BMPCC-6K? For the price of that camera and the fact that I have these lenses and a bag of batteries and many other things video related, is it a viable option? It’s either that or a sell these lenses and stay on my Sony path. Bottom line is, I’m intrigued with the BMPCC and I sense that this glass my work fine. (Other than the 15-30 needs a special approach for an ND solution.)
Probably a dumb question but I'm always confused regarding the depth of field on both, is it the same? with same lenses both wide open at same distance, the 4k having the speedbooster being a bit more? Or the sensor size does affect the DOF being the 6k shallower than the 4k with speedbooster? Great and detailed review with even better information, just hope you can answer this one, keep up the great work!😉
Hey! So sensor size doesn't change the depth of field, it only affects the crop, which requires you to shoot differently. So, if you need to use a wider lens on the 6K because of the bigger crop, you'll have a deeper depth of field because wider lenses have more depth of field. Or if you used the same lens on both cameras, you'd have to step further back on the 6K to get the same framing, and again that increased distance will give you more depth of field. This is assuming the Pocket 4K has the Speed Booster on.
For someone how like me. Is new to creating videos for youtube. Would you recommend starting out with a. Hybred camera like the Panasonic DC G9 or the Black magic 6K? My computer that I would be using. For editing is the Mac with the M1 based MacBook. I work as a gig driver, I am able to put. $100 a day after expenses, so yes I am on a budget. And obviously I want the best results. For my dollar.
Hi Gerald, first of all congrats for your amazing work which I'm a massive fan of! 🙂 Very interesting the high gain situation in Q0, I'm gonna check myself and see what happens.. Speaking of data rates I wanted to pick your brain on something.. I was doing some calculations and it seems to me that it's impossible to record Q0 in its lowest compression/highest quality (2:1 compression) at 50fps since that would generate data in excess of 800MB/s which is way beyond any of the supported recording media capabilities.. I therefore assume that the camera will never drop below 3:1 compression in Q0 when recording at high frame rates unless there is something more I don't know.. what is your take on this? 🤔 Keep up the awesome job mate!!
Hey! Thanks for the kind words. When I did the math I got a different result. If 3:1 is 323 MB/s, that would make 1:1 969 MB/s. Which would make 2:1 484.5 MB/s, which is pretty close to what they advertise. It says 483 MB/s on the spec page. Does that make sense or am I talking about something different than you. 😀
@@geraldundone you're very welcome and thanks for your reply! As far as I can tell the 483MB/s quoted on the website is based on 30 frames per second therefore when recording at 50 frames per second it should be significantly higher, am I getting this wrong? 😅
Ah! Good catch. You're right then. It would be more like 805MB/s. Perhaps they scale it differently at higher frame rates, because like you said, it's otherwise impossible for the port.
Hi Gerald and other film makers, have you ever had any problems with BMPCC both 4K and 6K hdmi output to monitor? I’ve used the BMPCC6K and I had an issue, hdmi out was not working. Some of my friends also having the same issue.
I saw a number of Pocket 4K's hit the used market. If feasible I would absolutely keep the 4k alongside the 6k. It's the perfect double redundancy unit physically and performance wise. Another great review and comparison. Thanks Gerald.
Great review, as usual. My quandary is this: If the 6K only offers BRAW in the 6K resolutions, how do those file sizes compare to the 4K ProRes and BRAW file sizes? I'd love to have access to 6K footage, but I'm not yet sure if BRAW will be part of my work flow. It appears that you can record ProRes for all resolutions on both cameras, but a major appeal of BRAW is the smaller file sizes and semi-RAW control options. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
That's actually a huge advantage on the 6K. If you are shooting ProRes HQ 4K DCI, the P4K and P6K sizes are exactly the same at approximately 120MB/s but the P6K uses the whole sensor in $K ProRes mode. So crisper image for the exact same size if you are going the prores route. Although when going the raw route, the files get beefy. 6K 3:1 BRAW for P6K is @320MB/s and 4K DCI 3:1 BRAW for the P4K is @135MB/s But then again, if you shoot at 5:1 6K BRAW, the file size falls to @194 MB/s and at 8:1 to @121 MB/s. So yes both are tempting. Had BMD offered 6K prores on the P6K though, it would've virtually killed the P4K (except for when your choice depends on the mount). Both are fantastic. And that's what makes one absolutely crazy to choose one :D
Interesting a year later now that the 6k is around $2,000 but people are going nuts over the way more expensive sony or r5. You can almost buy 2 6ks for the price of those.
So is your meta bones speed booster the new only BMPCC 4K version in this and the previous Video? What are the differences between BMPCC 4K only Metebones speed booster and is the Metabones T CINE Speed Booster ULTRA 0.71x Adapter for Canon EF Lens to BMPCC4K Camera still work with EF-S Canon Lens and Sigma?
The question is, does the speedbooster have an bad effect on image quality? Because the sensor size is the only thing preventing me from either purchasing the 4K or the 6k. I don't care about the resolution, but the sensor size is a big deal for me and I need super 35 or larger.
6:45 Actually, if you were in the higher ISO bank and dropped your exposure through ND or shutter, it wouldn't drop frames; the lighter pixels captured are larger in filesize. Nevertheless, having options for shooting consistently without dropped frames is always nice. :P
@@wolffpv535 Sure thing! :) i.imgur.com/dhpF8G6.png Both images 500x500px. It's also an easy test you can do at home. Film something overexposed for 1 second, film something underexposed for 1 second, then compare file sizes.
Is the 4K 60p HQ Prores on the P6K the same as the P4K or is it sharper and better “quality” bc it is using 6k and downscaling? And is there no additional crop? Still 1.5 crop?
Hey Gerald! Great videos, your way of analyzing information is really helpful. I have a question: If I have an APS-C camera and a full frame camera, and I have a lens on each that is supposed to deliver an equivalent field of view, (I.E. a 35mm lens on the APS-C and a 56mm lens on the full frame) will I get the same image? If not, why? Is there any way I could get the exact same look (Bokeh, FOV, etc) from both?
Are you saying the drop frames only happen when using that Samsung T5 SSD? Is there a faster SSD that is recommended for 6k? for the Pocket6k? with no dropped frames? AtomX?
Now that the 6K costs pretty much the same as the 4K plus the speedbooster, I don't think there's a reason to buy the 4K, other than you already have a wide variety of micro 4 3rd lenses
Exactly. Pretty much what I ended up doing, even if I don’t plan on recording 6k often. Just having that extra power is nice at the same price point + not having to deal with an adapter is a huge plus. I’ve even seen reviews where people claim that the 6k has better colors and low light performance.
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Watched it. Loved it. Now I def won't do a video on the BMPCC6k......but OTIS....that's another story. Picture in picture shot was awesome.
Sir please. I'm waiting for another upload from you lol
Thank you, kind sir. I'd be very interested in seeing what OTIS has to say about the 6K.
The efficiency with which you communicate all that info in such a short timespan, very impressive. And a breath of fresh air alongside the vast majority of inconcise videos out there. Solid video as always!
Agree! Other videos be like: eeh, let's drop a LUT, meeh. Compare RED with GoPro. Whoosh
I love how we all talk about 4k or 6k workflows even though most film customers still want their video's delivered in 1080 and the film company I did an internship at never delivered anything in 4k, all 1080p
as someone with ADHD, it's hard for me to follow a lot of the videos that are on yt, this was so clear and informative, thank you
WhoIsMattJohnson did a great video for the crops on both of these cameras. Great video as always Gerald.
Nice video mate. It's a bummer can't find the 4k ANYWHERE. Also don't love dropping $700 on a speedbooster to bring EF mount capability. Sure the wider FOV (using mostly vintage lenses with this) and more light, but it's just not good value IMHO. Probably going to be the 6k for me when the time comes.
Great review, thanks again for doing the leg work on this.
No new comments here in a long time! I still rewatch this video as I go through my BMD journey, patiently waiting for their new L-mount camera ❤️
I love the flow and how fast you talk, but seeing these data rates with RAW, now I know why you have to :-P
Incredible as always, to the point, no bs. Hands down, some of the best info if not the best you can get in this platform
Great content. Really love how practical your videos are and the amount of info you pack in.
Thank god we have people like Gerald doing all these complex tests for us for free!
Hi Gerald, nice points. I'd add that if you don't have enough computer power to handle post-edit of 6K, it's another benefit for buying a 4K :)
Now I want a 6k. I not getting it for a long while but. You sold me. Again.
Just get both :D because, they both are great and find their spot in the production. I found, they are so close that they team up perfectly on set! :D
I’ll be getting the 4K. I consider it better in every way at least for my needs where most of my video end up on mobile devices / desktop
how so?
Probably the best comparison video of these two cameras on TH-cam. Great!
Whoa.. that was a lot to take in. I normally keep up with your videos and walk away feeling a tad bit smarter. However, all the Q0 3:1 talk had me dumbfounded, and now I feel like I lost a few braincells. Just goes to show how much more I have to learn. It’s a good thing I’m subscribed with that notification bell (ding). Man, I can’t wait until you break down the elusive Sony a7 s iii... eventually.
I have no interest in BMPCC, but the overall look of this video is beautiful. I mean colours, contrast, etc.
Thank you very much! Nice to hear. Cheers!
I'm glad I have the P4K, because with either camera, I would mostly be shooting in 4K. And the P6K does not have BRAW available in the 4K mode. Being able to shoot in BRAW is important to me. Excellent comparison video.
i can guarantee you within next 6 months it will have the update for 4k raw & trust me it will be down sampled version internally, which means more clean, sharper & better image than p4!
SEEKERS nope 6 months have passed and the packet 6k still doesn’t shoot 4K raw.
@@seekers51814 years past no 4k BRaw
Your videos are incredibly informative, and you break down so much knowledge for newcomers and those getting started (like me). Please keep up the fantastic work.
I like when you talk! Its like words bro....words
Great video, dude!
First of all, love your videos. Commenting cause I care :D
So I hypothesize your T5 works in 4K50p Q0 in low ISO conclusion is due to high ISO adding datarate more than the T5 can write. This is however a dangerous conclusion because a fast pan, or a lot of movement would likely also cause dropped frames of high ISO does, so I would not recommend Q0. I was able to consistently get dropped frames with T5 and Q0 with fast pans and by shooting screens with lots of movement.
Keep up the amazing content!
Thanks, Kenny! I think that's good advice. I did test it violently. Pans, running, etc. and it never dropped. But for safety, I'd agree with you and say 5:1 is the best bet for crucial stuff.
@@geraldundone I tested this fairly thoroughly in a more systematic way.
I used a high detail scene (full leaves pattern) and blocked it off with a piece of paper at 0%, 50% and 100%.
It turns out that both "constant bitrate" and "constant quality" are variable codecs, but the constant quality has a bigger variance.
Motion had no direct effect. A static scene or moving scene was the same.
I did not see any effect of ISO setting on this, but it's not something i tested for.
This bigger variance leads to hitting the media write speed limit more easily during different scenes, which will result in immediate "failure" of being able to record.
It is difficult to test this, because quite often, the limiting issue is the writespeed of the media itself. SSD's can drop their writespeed as their capacity is used, which can lead to confusing results during testing. I specifically used SSD's that were verified to sustain a writespeed beyond the pocket 6K port limit for 90%+ of it's capacity, and frankly it's a nightmare to find SSD's that support this.
The conclusion was, that the 6K cannot run "full tilt" even with the highest rated storage (500MB/s over the CFAST).
6k Q0 50FPS is directly not feasible and should not be attempted. It would only ever work as long as the scene detail is very flat.
I believe that understanding the dynamic compression ratios and data rates is crucial to operating the pocket 6K effectively, and i imagine that quite a lot of people will have issues with this, as it's difficult to find good media and testing requires special scene setup with full detail to simulate possible scenarios.
It would be great if BMD made a third type of codec; a codec that compresses based on available media writespeed. And with a "effective datarate" graph on the monitor. Set by user as 300MB/s, 400MB/s etc.
Love all your videos! Thank you again!!
At first I thought this camera's release would replace or obsolete the 4k, but giving time and seeing people's reviews I definitely see how that not the case here and they are two different tools for two different use cases.
And the EF mount that limits adapting is a bit of a bummer too.
I'm subbing bcs 2:16 with an intro this is a very thorough and informative video as someone who makes money and is not a hobbits the precision in which you hit key points is unmatched.
As a software architect I assume what happened in that drop frames test.
I believe the problem with the recording bitrate test was that you didn't adjust your lighting when changing ISO values; those codecs (Blackmagic RAW) actually DO COMPRESS, however they don't compress in terms of 'usable data', but storage-wise - just as you would compress a .zip archive or so.
This is why you did get different effective bitrates - less/more light led to lesser compressing capability of the BRAW codec, as where were more colors that couldn't be compressed in storage
Hope this sorts out any confusions :)
Blackmagic Pocket 6k S35 with 50fps, 12-Bit BRAW, best dynamic range, great lowlight, color science and that display for $2495 with EF mount! 😍 I’d fo sure rather buy both Pocket 6K and 4K for less than the cost of an S1H. Canon lenses inbuilt IS and autofocus is also great. I suspect you have switched to Davinci Resolve STUDIO now?
Been using it for my videos for about 2 months now, I think. Finally half decent with it.
Gerald Undone , your review is fantastic. Thanks so much, you save me a lot of time. Contact me if you need any tech help ever. My website is my email. Who knows, maybe we can work on a project together one of these days.
I kind of suspected you would have better highlight reproduction in a 6K image. Thanks for reinforcing that. Also it’s nice to know that 100° kelvin change in color temperature brings the camera closer too other cameras. That’ll save a ton of time in post on multi cam shoots. I wonder if that is just a software tweak or an actual result of the Image sensor construction. I suppose we probably have to ask an engineer at black Magic design team for that info.
oh man the Christmas room reference, so good
I enjoyed Peter Gregg's greeting: "Welcome to the christmas room" very much
We hit the Like button. Great Insights as usual*****
I just fucking died at the Christmas Room reference!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There is still one BIG advantage with the 4k that the 6K won't have, regarding VFX work, the CDNG codec is still the best option out there though.
it doesnt have CDNG it has BRAW
Thanks for great review. Good to know about Raw options on 6k.
Very rich content as always. I wish you you could a side by side comparison between BMPCC6K and Sony A7 III in terms of real world Dynamic Range and low light capabilities.
Gerald you are the videographer ultimate leader
One thing Im not sure if you mentions is the Pockets 6k has better 4K and 1080p because it still uses the whole 6k sensor
Really great video man, thanks so much for being so thorough and so clear in your presentation. I can tell you put a lot of work into this!
Love your work Gerald Undone!!!!
Both cameras are great. But personally I feel that the flexibility of the m34 mount on the 4K model and adaptability to use FF lenses with a speedbooster, is invaluable and trumps the 6K model.
If, I say ''if'', BlackMagic had released the new 6K camera with an interchangeable lens mount system (kind of like the new Canon C500II), they would have completely taken the market by storm, put lots of people out of business and obliterate most competition literally overnight.
I think it was a missed opportunity. Of course they can still do it down the road as an updated re-release version of the same camera.. but timing is everything.
Thanks for the video, Gerald.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 😃👍
We need a short working segment of the bayonet mount! Write something to the BM forum, because there are a lot of unique optics and a lot of shooters who have been collecting this for years ...
Next time you're wearing that shirt in a video, you should say:
"I'm Gerald Undone, and the truth is... I am Iron Man."
Great review Gerald. Thank you.
given the price drop do you think the 6k is now a better buy?
Excellent video. Also I love the aesthetics of the main shot; what are you using to film it?
There were a few misleading info about recording capability. Depending of what you are filming, your rate will change. Even at 3:1 is going to fluctuate a tiny bit. So unless you recorded something on screen that could generate the biggest amount of complexity for the codec, you can't say that you are OK, especially if it worked at iso 1000 vs iso 1250... But since most shoot at 30fps or under in general, it not a problem !
Should've done a bokeh comparison since you'll get more with the 4k and speedbooster
Not true actually
We need a short working segment of the bayonet mount on 6k version! Write something to the BM forum, because there are a lot of unique optics and a lot of shooters who have been collecting this for years ...
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Brilliant video as always and very informative. Thank you. Can you make a review on the BMPCC 6k G2?
Finally, a 4k TH-cam video of a 4k camera. Is that too much to ask for? :) You wouldn't believe how many reviews of this camera are out there in 1080p.
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Definitely helpful!I just dont know how you find the time to do your super detailed videos..haha, perhaps an idea for a new up and coming video for you, a video BTS of how you systematically make these research and shoot the video in such a methodical way as you do..😉
I'm more convinced to get the 4k one than a mirrorless camera tbh
*Here we go!* Finally!
Another great video thanks Gerald. What would your recommendation be between getting a pocket 4K or a Sony fx30? I have a Bmpcc original 1080p and I think the footage looks amazing. But I also use a Sony fs5 2 for work and it has benefits like better auto focus. The main filming I am doing is talking head videos and some music videos. Cheers Glenn
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Better check ur pants, lol
Could you pls tell me what F-Stop and ISO did you use when recording this video? What camera and what lens also, pls.
Pocket 4K with Sigma 18-35. f/1.8 and ISO 800. Speed Booster on.
Man! thank you! we got the same issue and wow! you found the solution! thanks!
Wow! Another super detailed review (that took a lot of work) thanks!
wait... so would lenses from my Micro 4/3 Panasonic G85 work with this? Lens mounts always confused me. Big bonus if so
It sounds like the 6k is a beast with some weird quirks that limit it's dominance, but those quirks could potentially be fixed with a software update (e.g. "unlocking" BlackMagic RAW for regular 1920x1080)
I don't think that's how raw works. If you shoot raw and drop resolution you have to window the sensor. That's just how raw works.
@@NakeanWickliff exactly, that is why is never going to happen otherwise you'd end up with a massive crop factor which would be unusable. (same reason why there's no 4K BRAW, that would give you a crop factor that is more severe than the one on the BMPCC4K due to the smaller pixel pitch so again, not very practical in real life) :-)
thanks for comparison between two cameras!
Great explanation about drop frames with higher ISO, 6K and higher FPS. Thanks.
Would love this camera for my personal channel but more importantly, to use as my b-roll camera for work
Go for it bro!
Would soooo want to see a comparison between BRAW and Magic Lantern Raw from a Canon 5d mark iii.... Who wants to donate a 5d mark iii to Gerald so he can do his Undoing?!
To elaborate... Besides the obvious differences in resolution. It would be interesting to see how the 1080p full frame 'Cinema DNG' footage from a 2012 camera can hold up against todays Raw video standards as far as dynamic range, image quality, etc etc etc!!!!
ReginaldEsque Yes! This x1000
Yes!! The Lucadapter will be rad!
Very well covered the differnces and stuff nobody is talking about!
Tbh I think its a shame that the camera starts dropping frames as soon as you go above ISO1000 - why are you accepting a bug like that? I think thats a no go if i have to change my workflow and the recording just because BM still releases buggy firmwares.
The point with the 4K mode in the bmpcc6k is also pretty disappointing - i mean, you buy a camera for 2,5K that can shoot 6K Braw but not even 4K braw? I mean its technically possible but they simply disable this function?? Thats just a way for BM to sell their bmpcc4k and a pretty unfair point for everyone who gets a bmpcc6k
Thanks! I think I would be more bothered by it if it was more persistent across different settings. But the fact that it works fine in 5:1 or Q5, or even at 30p at Q0 is enough to get the job done. I mainly feel this way because I'm using USB storage, which is a feature that not many others have implemented yet. So, I'm willing to accept minor limitations to be able to use affordable SSDs for 6K raw.
Hah, interesting. You did with image what you usually do with sound clips. Super tiny 2-3 frame fade to mask the cut. I might just try it out. Looks pretty nice.
Thanks! Yeah, I started doing it a few videos ago and I like it. 😃
@@geraldundone Maybe it doesn't work as well when the whole scene changes, but for talking head where 90% of the framing stays exactly the same.. Pretty perfect.
OMG he's crazy.... Great work Gerald.
Gerald, I still have my Tamron Canon mount glass (15-30-f2.8, 24-70-f2.8, 70-200-f2.8). I have always been happy with these lenses and I’m wondering if they would work on the BMPCC-6K? For the price of that camera and the fact that I have these lenses and a bag of batteries and many other things video related, is it a viable option? It’s either that or a sell these lenses and stay on my Sony path. Bottom line is, I’m intrigued with the BMPCC and I sense that this glass my work fine. (Other than the 15-30 needs a special approach for an ND solution.)
I’d love to see a comparison between BM Pocket 6K vs Sony FX3/A7Siii done by Gerald
Probably a dumb question but I'm always confused regarding the depth of field on both, is it the same? with same lenses both wide open at same distance, the 4k having the speedbooster being a bit more? Or the sensor size does affect the DOF being the 6k shallower than the 4k with speedbooster? Great and detailed review with even better information, just hope you can answer this one, keep up the great work!😉
Hey! So sensor size doesn't change the depth of field, it only affects the crop, which requires you to shoot differently. So, if you need to use a wider lens on the 6K because of the bigger crop, you'll have a deeper depth of field because wider lenses have more depth of field. Or if you used the same lens on both cameras, you'd have to step further back on the 6K to get the same framing, and again that increased distance will give you more depth of field. This is assuming the Pocket 4K has the Speed Booster on.
Do you prefer shooting in constant quality or constant bit rate?
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For someone how like me. Is new to creating videos for youtube. Would you recommend starting out with a. Hybred camera like the Panasonic DC G9 or the Black magic 6K? My computer that I would be using. For editing is the Mac with the M1 based MacBook. I work as a gig driver, I am able to put. $100 a day after expenses, so yes I am on a budget. And obviously I want the best results. For my dollar.
Hi Gerald, first of all congrats for your amazing work which I'm a massive fan of! 🙂
Very interesting the high gain situation in Q0, I'm gonna check myself and see what happens..
Speaking of data rates I wanted to pick your brain on something.. I was doing some calculations and it seems to me that it's impossible to record Q0 in its lowest compression/highest quality (2:1 compression) at 50fps since that would generate data in excess of 800MB/s which is way beyond any of the supported recording media capabilities.. I therefore assume that the camera will never drop below 3:1 compression in Q0 when recording at high frame rates unless there is something more I don't know.. what is your take on this? 🤔
Keep up the awesome job mate!!
Hey! Thanks for the kind words. When I did the math I got a different result. If 3:1 is 323 MB/s, that would make 1:1 969 MB/s. Which would make 2:1 484.5 MB/s, which is pretty close to what they advertise. It says 483 MB/s on the spec page. Does that make sense or am I talking about something different than you. 😀
@@geraldundone you're very welcome and thanks for your reply! As far as I can tell the 483MB/s quoted on the website is based on 30 frames per second therefore when recording at 50 frames per second it should be significantly higher, am I getting this wrong? 😅
Ah! Good catch. You're right then. It would be more like 805MB/s. Perhaps they scale it differently at higher frame rates, because like you said, it's otherwise impossible for the port.
Hi Gerald and other film makers, have you ever had any problems with BMPCC both 4K and 6K hdmi output to monitor? I’ve used the BMPCC6K and I had an issue, hdmi out was not working. Some of my friends also having the same issue.
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I saw a number of Pocket 4K's hit the used market. If feasible I would absolutely keep the 4k alongside the 6k. It's the perfect double redundancy unit physically and performance wise.
Another great review and comparison. Thanks Gerald.
Great review, as usual. My quandary is this: If the 6K only offers BRAW in the 6K resolutions, how do those file sizes compare to the 4K ProRes and BRAW file sizes? I'd love to have access to 6K footage, but I'm not yet sure if BRAW will be part of my work flow. It appears that you can record ProRes for all resolutions on both cameras, but a major appeal of BRAW is the smaller file sizes and semi-RAW control options. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
That's actually a huge advantage on the 6K. If you are shooting ProRes HQ 4K DCI, the P4K and P6K sizes are exactly the same at approximately 120MB/s but the P6K uses the whole sensor in $K ProRes mode. So crisper image for the exact same size if you are going the prores route.
Although when going the raw route, the files get beefy. 6K 3:1 BRAW for P6K is @320MB/s and 4K DCI 3:1 BRAW for the P4K is @135MB/s
But then again, if you shoot at 5:1 6K BRAW, the file size falls to @194 MB/s and at 8:1 to @121 MB/s.
So yes both are tempting. Had BMD offered 6K prores on the P6K though, it would've virtually killed the P4K (except for when your choice depends on the mount). Both are fantastic. And that's what makes one absolutely crazy to choose one :D
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Would it be crazy to consider using the 6k as a stills camera? I love the LCD.....3" panels get smaller and smaller as you get older. Or so I hear.
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Seems like the 6k's inability to record 4K resolutions in BRAW forces any BRAW fans to just always use higher resolutions. YOU MUST USE ALL THE RES.
Ok, @Gerald Undone Year 2020: $1900 for a P6K and $1900 for a P4K+Metabones.
Which one would be your pick?
Time to get Undone!
Excellent, thank you
Interesting a year later now that the 6k is around $2,000 but people are going nuts over the way more expensive sony or r5. You can almost buy 2 6ks for the price of those.
Do you recomennd a 4K version to a streaming studio? or maybe to broadcast a event with 4k?
So is your meta bones speed booster the new only BMPCC 4K version in this and the previous Video? What are the differences between BMPCC 4K only Metebones speed booster and is the Metabones T CINE Speed Booster ULTRA 0.71x Adapter for Canon EF Lens to BMPCC4K Camera still work with EF-S Canon Lens and Sigma?
Still doing some tests. I'll have a comparison video soon, I promise.
@@geraldundone Thank you I'm getting ready to buy one in a few weeks.
The question is, does the speedbooster have an bad effect on image quality? Because the sensor size is the only thing preventing me from either purchasing the 4K or the 6k. I don't care about the resolution, but the sensor size is a big deal for me and I need super 35 or larger.
i found this video VERY helpful.
Can we get an image quality comparison between bmpcc 4K/6k vs A7siii? Don’t know which one to pick up.
One more point of difference between the two cameras due to the sensor size difference is the shallower depth of field on the 6K model.
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6:45 Actually, if you were in the higher ISO bank and dropped your exposure through ND or shutter, it wouldn't drop frames; the lighter pixels captured are larger in filesize. Nevertheless, having options for shooting consistently without dropped frames is always nice. :P
I'd be curious if you have data to backup that lighter pixels are heavier in filesize.
@@wolffpv535 Sure thing! :) i.imgur.com/dhpF8G6.png
Both images 500x500px.
It's also an easy test you can do at home. Film something overexposed for 1 second, film something underexposed for 1 second, then compare file sizes.
Is the 4K 60p HQ Prores on the P6K the same as the P4K or is it sharper and better “quality” bc it is using 6k and downscaling? And is there no additional crop? Still 1.5 crop?
Hey Gerald! Great videos, your way of analyzing information is really helpful.
I have a question: If I have an APS-C camera and a full frame camera, and I have a lens on each that is supposed to deliver an equivalent field of view, (I.E. a 35mm lens on the APS-C and a 56mm lens on the full frame) will I get the same image? If not, why? Is there any way I could get the exact same look (Bokeh, FOV, etc) from both?
Yes if you also multiply aperture by the crop factor, and bump up iso
Are you saying the drop frames only happen when using that Samsung T5 SSD? Is there a faster SSD that is recommended for 6k? for the Pocket6k? with no dropped frames? AtomX?
Now that the 6K costs pretty much the same as the 4K plus the speedbooster, I don't think there's a reason to buy the 4K, other than you already have a wide variety of micro 4 3rd lenses
Exactly. Pretty much what I ended up doing, even if I don’t plan on recording 6k often. Just having that extra power is nice at the same price point + not having to deal with an adapter is a huge plus. I’ve even seen reviews where people claim that the 6k has better colors and low light performance.