ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- You have all been asking and we have finally been able to test the new @FordPerformance Gen 2 Cobra Jet Intake Manifold on our in-house dyno versus the Gen 1. We tried it on our 2022 Mach-1 test vehicle and compared it with a stock 2021 Mustang GT. Thanks to @Lundracing, we got a solid tune and eliminated as many variables as possible when testing. The tests with each manifold were all done on the same day as well. Check out the results and let us know what you think!
Purchase these parts directly from Steeda:
www.steeda.com/ford-performan...
MPN: M-9424-M50CJB
Part: 161 M-9424-M50CJB
Subscribe: bit.ly/Steeda_YT
Shop Ford performance parts at www.Steeda.com!
---
Steeda Website:
www.steeda.com
Steeda Performance Vehicles
www.steedavehicles.com
Steeda UK:
www.steeda.co.uk
Steeda Europe:
steeda.eu.com
Steeda Pinterest:
/ pins
Steeda Facebook:
/ steedaautosports
Steeda Instagram:
/ steedaautosports
Steeda Twitter:
/ steedaautosport
Steeda Blog:
www.steedablog.com/
0:00 Intro
0:35 Stock 2021 Mustang GT Pull
0:48 Reviewing the Numbers
1:15 Stock 2022 Mach 1 Pull
1:32 Comparing the 2 Stock Numbers
2:17 Gen 1 Cobra Jet Pull
2:29 Gen 1 Numbers
3:41 Gen 2 Cobra Jet Pull
3:52 Comparing all the Results
4:05 Our Thoughts
6:11 Interpreting the Averages
6:59 Outro - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Props to Steeda for not trying to inflate numbers for some sales👍 good video. Ported vs Ported Monoblade conversion for the “Gen 2” CJ might be a good one
I agree props to them not inflating the numbers
you gain little to nothing with a ported throttle body.
@@kevincandelas1228 yeah, some intake manifold porting companys are offering a “monoblade conversion” as an up-charge during the porting process to get rid of the twin TB inlets on the actual manifold moulding itself.
They didn't inflate the numbers, but they sure deflated the numbers of the GT and Mach. They also forgot to mention alot of the gains for the CJ cars were due to the tune. If you slap on a basic tune on the Mach it will probably make more power than the CJ. But then Steeda wouldn't be able to sell the CJ or their airbox if stock Ford parts made more power.
@@saidtheblueknight my thoughts exactly.
Cool, I’m glad it’s back. Thanks for the testing.
I was trying to find this out two days ago. Thank you
Great test, outcome is as expected
Thank you for the video guys 👍🏼
Love the honesty and transparency. You guys could have inflated numbers a bit to boost ford's ego. Love you guys and LR for doing these tests and doing them right!
I would like to see a comparison of the all 4 of the manifolds in this test on a car with a full exhaust system and running on E85.
It’s been done already, look it up.
Fuel isn't going to affect what an intake manifold does, not a dry intake(port EFI; unlike a wet intake like a carb or TBI)
This is why I love you guys. You back up all your stuff with real numbers. I am a bit surprised though. My 20'mustang GT made more horsepower at the wheel stock than the Mach 1 did at 412. After I installed the CAI and E85 tune by you guys in just shy of 470 at the wheel. For anyone that doesn't believe me the proof is in the videos on my channel. Now I'm making more than a stock Shelby GT 350. You guys nailed it!
different dynos on different days in different ambient air
@Rockit181 same dyno on different days, but according the three technician the air doesn't matter because the dyno accounts for different temperature, humidity, pressure, etc.
@@bardstables8909 bit more surprising if it's the same Dyno
@@Rockit181 it was indeed. I was surprised I gained that much.
@@bardstables8909 470whp is a lot for just a CAI and E85, I used to be all about imports back in the day but they got surpassed by modern muscle
Great test, just goes to show how good the standard mach 1 set up is
awesome video,thanks!
Please do a ported test 18+ manifold then ported & gen 2 CJ manifold then ported 💯💯
I'm thinking a ported 18' manifold would get within 3-5 HP of these CJ manifolds. For a starter performance mod, I'd probably just have the stock manifold ported on the Mach 1 and tune it for E85...more bang for the buck than a CJ manifold setup.
@@keithharris1 wrong
It makes me proud and is also surprising that lund was chosen for the tuning. I’m not a fan of outsourcing but I would of thought steeda could have tuned in house? I guess they’re just hardware not software 😅
@@Diamondsintherubble Mic Drop
CJ gonna stomp past 7k, even unported
Has the ported test came out yet? Nice job Steeda! 🔥
I’m running ported 18’, p mas, full E85 with full corsa exhaust LT’s. I’m happy.
Go and have the Gen1& Gen2 cobra jet ported on the dyno after. Or installed long tube header without porting a 2 test with porting. Great testing Scott i’am waiting for your next result.👍😎🇨🇦💪
Great video. I have a 21 Mach 1 and take it to the track (FIRM most frequently) and would love to see a "reasonable" n/a build. I'm not pulling apart my engine, but I would love to see what the intake, full exhaust, and a tune can get. If you guys are ever up there and have a use for a Mach 1 with the handling package, just let me know!
So realistic even the Gen1 CJ has the ear broken off and plastic welded back together haha.
Love to see this can’t wait for mine, I’d love to see a mono ported gen 2 that’s what I will have with p51c and some corsa headers
ain’t gonna gain much but maybe 5hp more if that
That’s gonna be a great setup brother enjoy 👍
@@coyotehd816 thanks man I can’t wait!🙌🏽
@@governmentcalamari9785 that’s who’s doing mine, he just shipped mine out today!
cool video, thanks
I found a similar result when comparison CAI’s on my 3v.
Did the Stock Mach1 have the hydrocarbon filter installed or removed? Seen removing it increasing power by up to 18HP over with it in place.
They also designed the new CJ intake for better strength. It is a awsome intake.
Need to try it again for the gen 1 CJ with the uni-blade throttle body....
Both manifolds ported with long tube headers and e85
would like to see these on a 5.0 with full header-back exhaust
@steeda did you guys use a throttle body control module with that throttle body? And is that the twin 65mm from ford performance?
You need to test these intakes with power aders supercharger or turbo.
I wanna see those 2 holes cut out on the gen 2 and see if it changes anything
It does look like it sits lower. Do you have to lower the engine as much as Gen 1 to make it fit?
Was all runs with all different manifolds was with boostane? You said something about adding boostane?
I have a ported gen 1 intake that you can use. I also have a Ford Racing cobra jet cold air intake with a custom machined(4.25" id vs 3.75" id) air filter transition. The aluminum transition/filter adapter is the only "restriction" that the Ford Racing cold air intake had. Test my intake vs others and change my mind. My throttlebody is the Ford Racing dual 65mm blade.
91 octane, mach1, American racing long tube headers, Gen 2 intake manifold, performance cams, corsa exhaust and steeda intake
Do they fit under the Mach 1 tower brace?
So it fits under the stock hood now 🤯🎉
Curious as well!
It already fits under a stock hood on the car it was originally designed for the s197 5.0. Its not a big deal to run a cowl hood you can also clearance stock hoods I've seen. On an s197 you don't gotta do jack lol.
Mix it up more, longtube heades obviously. Add in an aluminum driveshaft and Steeda rotors on back to lessen the rotating weight.
Thank you for the Test. I have 2021 Gt mt82 with a Lund e85 tune. Other than that, just stock as it’s my daily and I don’t want to rag out my daily. But I wouldn’t mind a little more top end every once and awhile. My question is, Would I have to lower the motor to make the new CJ fit? Would it clear removing the hood insulation? Probably a dumb question, but I wanted to ask because in your video it looks like it would fit with about an 1inch clearance. Thanks in Advance!
Listen at about the 4:00 minute mark
Would’ve liked to have seen the gt350 pulled higher tbh.
Shut up
@@jayco7951 gfys
Would like to see a maxed out gen 3 coyote n/a bolt on build with the new cobra jet.
A ported one with a mono and headers and cams on e85 should see 530-550 rwhp imo. Possibly more with the right tuner and supporting mods.
Does the new manifold have an EO#
They are getting more strict on emissions here.
Do you have a solid tune available for the twin 65mm Throttlebody Cobra jet?
I'm currently on the fence and would love to see the Victor Jr intake go against the Gen 2 Cobra Jet Intake.
I have a beautiful 2013 5.0 with Kooks long tubes and X-Pipe an Airaid cold air intake. Spring 23 I will be going with the Vic or the new CJ just need to see which one has more horse for my horse. Great video love your products and trust the name
Victor Jr performs just like the older Boss 302 intakes. It's not worth it.
Gen 2 cj ftw. Even gen 1 cj is better than any other intake. You want max power especially na the cj is it.
Did you guys use stock injectors?
Ported gen 1 vs stock gen 2 then ported gen2 then add headers stock exhaust then FR catback. Step by step stuff. See the individual gains.
Will these fit under the hood of 2015 F150 with the coyote ?
Thankyou for the comparison, I would definitely love to see a ported gen 1 vs ported gen 2 cj with free flowing exhaust. That aside, I feel the stock Mach 1 and the stock gt run should be taken with a grain of salt. Those where stock runs, so in addition to adding the cj, the tune was more aggressive than the stock runs. The cobra jet definitely will carry power out to 8000 the best, but this doesn’t show what the 18 and 350 manifolds can do when they are tuned more aggressively as well. Also when comparing the stock gt vs Mach 1, being that they have different factory tunes and one is open air intake I also don’t think that’s a good comparison. The Mach 1 definitely makes a good chunk more power in stock form, but I think it would be fair to get an aftermarket tune for both and leveling the playing field to truly show the difference in the manifolds.
The gen two can't be ported due to the way it's cast.
@@marksiniard9731 there is at least 1 company (1320 Junkie) and probably more like AFS that are currently porting them. Don’t know what you mean “They cant be ported”
@@marksiniard9731 I’ve sold a dozen ported Gen 2’s. More work but very doable.
@@marksiniard9731 ahh ok I didn’t realize, thanks for telling me
It wasn't about what the stock manifolds do there are plenty of results for that. This was how the new cj compares to the previous one.
so does the new one fit under a stock hood??
What’s the best manifold for a “21 Mustang GT”?
7:15 I’d love to see a Ported Boss with a 90mm TB Vs the CJ without porting and a twin TB because I feel they would be the same numbers and the Boss setup is so much cheaper. Nobody ever did that test with the ported Boss. I feel the CJ isn’t worth all that extra money unless you’re going full max effort NA racing and money doesn’t matter and it’s not worth it unless you do cams too and at that point you might as well do the Ported Boss with an ESS blower for a fun daily car. The Ported Boss deserves a real comparison.
A ported cj with a mono is king. You will max absolute max na power with a cj. This is why all the fastest na cars run cjs. You need cams to truly take advantage of what they can do.
@@midnight347 yes if you are going Max NA it might be worth all that money but with cams too. My point is that if you are utilizing the stock cams, like most people, buying a Ported Boss with a 90mm TB gives the same results as a Non Ported CJ with a twin and I’d like to see that exact back to back test. And the Boss setup is a lot cheaper and looks better too, imo. Same power curve and steadily pulls hard from 4K- 8K rpms. and then it’s ready for boost later too. They are both high rise intakes with similar power curves. The bottom of the intakes are identical.
I love my ported gen3 intake. Don’t planning on spinning 8k or more at the moment so I think the gen3 is best for me.
Why does the new FR CJ manifold have the bridge in the TB inlet? Did Ford design the EVAP\PCV port(s) in this new CJ intake manifold to come out behind this bridge like the old 4.6L OEM 3V intake manifolds so that the EVAP fuel vapors & unmetered air will evenly mix\distribute into the incoming air thru the twin bore TB thus plenum\intake runners? IOW's for better emissions compliance? This is the only reason that I can see this being done..............
Different gas in the mach vs the gt?
Seen the title said a 2021 mustang gt but said 2018 Mustang gt did i hear that correct . Then a 2022 mach 1 ?
Is there a version of these fir the f150
Same test with cams please!
I’d be more interested to see how it compares with fbo mods or even cams and exhaust upgrades. Because you can take a deep inhale all day long but you’re struggles come when you exhale through a straw. Open that exhaust up. Leave the tune identical.
Prior tests have shown that the best all around manifold is the stock Gen 3 manifold ported. And the cost makes sense.
Still doesn’t beat CJ at the top
Will this work with an automatic transmission
Are you guys running e85 or 93
Next test with full exhaust setup.
Would love to see a 1320 Junkie Performance ported gen 2 CJ.
Soon as they ship me mine :-)
It's going on my 00' mustang with a brand new gen 3 setup. Can't wait!
So I'm seeing more things added to skew the numbers. It wasn't just an intake swap. Throttle body and complete intake kit. And why didn't you pull the Mach 1 any higher when it was all stock? You stopped early!
you need to sway throttle bodies with the CJ and the Mach I went as high as it could before the factory speed limiter. We weren't going to dyno the car in 3rd gear stock.
Does the gen 2 Cj fit under the stock un touched hood of a 2020 gt
The Gen 2 will not fit under a stock 2020 GT hood. We have adjustable engine mounts if you want to go that route with the stock hood. www.steeda.com/steeda-adjustable-heavy-duty-s550-mustang-engine-mounts-2015-gt-555-4039.html
Only time i would get one of these intakes is with a power adder ii like torque.
Not too surprising that there isn't a big change, they did say that the reason why they redesigned it in the first place is because they wore out the injection molds for the original CJ intake. Instead of getting new molds of the same old CJ, they took the opportunity to give it a little bit of a redesign. Looks totally bitchin too!
This was a great video!! I think some people would like to know dimensions!! Specially the exact difference in height between both, I have a coyote swap and this info would help
Wish I could get a Mach 1 cheeseburger style with a Whipple supercharger, cobra jet intake manifold and CDC shaker hood scoop all staked on top of each other 😂
There must be an issue with '21 Mustang GT because all the dynos I've seen on it stock are generally between 405-420 whp..
Can anyone tell me if these intakes will fit the ‘21 Coyote F150?
Will this work on a 2018 Automatic? And will it fit under the stock hood?
Yes and no not without a cowl, notched hood, drop motor mounts or a combo of these things.
I heard the new CJ isn't compatible with automatic mustangs. Is that true? I forgot what site it was that said that
Lol transmission doesn’t matter it will fit the motor still the same
You will need to fab up your own vacuum lines with an auto
@@Arman2Fast "It does not have provisions for the aspirator tube hookup found on automatic transmission models, and is therefore incompatible with the Ford Mustang GT automatic transmission." Found the article. It's was by Ford Authority. It DOES matter.
Will it work on gt350? Interested in finding out.
I don't see why not. People put GT350 intakes on 5.0s, and the Mach 1 uses the GT350 intake so the flanges are obviously compatible.
Cj,headers, e85 on a gt350 will make over 530whp
Go for long tube headers
B Turruviate Racing makes the best intake manifolds
I want it . I can fit it under the stock hood
Those numbers stock? My gen 1 did 370 stock with 87 in the tank.
That’s weak
That is interesting for sure. I have a 16 fbo with a gen 1 Cj and mono blade. My car has a MT82. I'm considering a ESS blower. I've put over 100k on this set up with no real issues. What do yall think about adding a cent blower like the ess to it? Keeping boost at less than 9 pds since it is a composite intake of course.
I went this route got a G4 from Ess with my CJ, just needs lots of couplers to fit it, im tuned by John from Lund
Thanks for your post. I have the gen 1 CJ still in the box. I am going to order the ESS/G2. I am thinking I would need about 8 boost on the blower?
@@henrymcmiller2527 what do you mean you "need" 8psi boost? To make it simple the G2 max it can make for a gen 1 around 780-820whp with a return style fuel system on e85
@@trunkslorenzana Thanks.
@@trunkslorenzana I am going to purchase the ESS Supercharger for my 22 GT, but I undecided about using the new gen1 CJ or keeping stock manifold. I could sell the CJ and use the proceeds towards the cost of installation of the ESS Supercharger, or would I have significantly more power with the CJ/Supercharger? I am leaning towards selling the CJ and not deal with the hood issues with the CJ. My goal is approximately 700 horsepower/93 octane.
Lets see some S197 v6 love for once😂😅. Yes, im poor and have just a v6, but it’s my pony and wish companies like yours would actually produce more power parts for it.
Its cool to see some numbers, but im pretty sure the cj gains arent super evident without cams and headers. Gotta rev it to 8 or better to really benefit from that increased flow.
This was just a comparison of the gen1 and gen2 intakes on stock engines (which is most likely the way 95% of people will do). There is no real diff in power - it's just a way for FRPP to justify increasing the price.
@@jsimmonstx you can't judge it by what it does on a stock engine it isn't meant to be ran on a setup like that. You need cams and headers to take advantage of what the cj can do ecsp the newest one. On a max effort setup I guarantee it'll make more power than the other cj equal setups.
@@midnight347 it’d probably still make 1-2 more whp with cams and exhaust haha the gains from the extra mods would just get subtracted out
@@midnight347 Yes, those mods would help *the engine*, but the gen1 and gen2 would still show negligible power differences between the two intakes on the same motor.
Want to see a max effort, FBO comparison of the manifolds.
LT headers, full exhaust, biggest CAI, mono blade TB, etc.
With cams too. The cj doesn't really shine with stock cams that really limits it and that is even more so with the newest one. Do max effort na setups with cams and compare the difference I bet it would be more pronounced between the two cjs then.
@@midnight347 Yeah, I’d like to see some upper 220-low 230 (@.050) duration cams tested also.
There is no way a gen 3 5.0 is making 377whp. My 2015 made 386whp stock.
They should have throw the boss 302 intake in there just for giggles
See them ported please
so you’re telling me a stock 2021 only make 377 whp that doesn’t sound right
Does the gen 2 cj fit on a 10 speed?
The Mach 1 in this video is a 10 speed!
What’s if the GT350 manifold had a bigger throttle body like the CJ.
The cj is the best na intake. You want max na power cj it is. The tbody setup is part of why the cj setup is the best. A cj with a mono tbody is the king. It doesn't shine unless you have headers and cams too. It will pull better above 7k than the gt350. If you ain't trying to go max effort na don't worry about the cj. If you're not gonna do cams and headers stick with a gt350 manifold.
@midnight347 since this video came out people have been saying the gen1 cj is better which is frustrating me because I'm trying to get my cj set up going on my gt350. I'm looking at the gen2 with mono porting
That whp seems really really low for a 2021 gt.
Seriously crazy how much damn tubing and random wires are all over engine bays now. I know it’s all for electronics and stuff but damn it hides everything you wanna see when the hoods up
Alex from Lund was right , guess the only thing different is looks .
I’ve read just about every comment on this video. I’m a bit stumped, I wanna do an FBO build on my ‘21 GT MT82. I’ve done a shit ton of research. I don’t plan on ripping the motor apart anytime soon and doing cams/ported heads. Maybe eventually but right now I’m looking to get the most I can out of bolts ons. I stumbled across the opportunity to purchase the CJ gen 2 manifold along with:
Vmp twin jet 67mm polished throttle body
Ford Performance LU47 injectors
Pmas air intake system for Cobra Jet intake manifold
As of right now I only have a resonator delete along with a staggered rim/ tire set up, I do plan on getting a full catback and short tube headers (not doing LTH because I do daily the car for now and I don’t want all of that cabin noise)
Just looking to some power for fun daily driving. I know you’re all gonna tell me that I’m spending too much $ for a little power on a daily but I’m getting this stuff for a ridiculous deal. Someone help me out please lol
How come nobody helped you paul
These really shine with Cam's. Stock cam profile doesnt really utilize everything these manifolds have to offer.
If you take a FULL bolt-on Coyote(cam, headers, everything) & do a comparison between stock, Boss 302, Gen 1 CJ & Gen 2 CJ, that would be great. Do a 2018+ 6spd Mustang GT, a Coyote swapped vehicle(there's Coyote swapped Panther chassis out there) AND a F150! Real world comparisons for EVERYONE.
Finally
Honestly, the gen 2 looks beefier, I wonder if it'll handle boost better that the gen 1.
So if I recall, I felt like that was one of the biggest improvements marketed by Ford Performance. Some gains in power, but overall they focused on improving the design and strength of the manifold.
Will the Gen 2 CJ fit on the 10 speed?
That’s a good question!
yes, this was a 10 speed
@@coyotehd816 yes, this was 10 speed
Shout out to Jon Lund!
LT off-road exhaust
Why do your graphs say ft-lbs?
I know I am late to the party but can we see a f150 coyote intake upgrade videos
Ya kudos to ford for $1500 5hp. I get the packaging. But as a tuner once said, that means jack shit. That means they basically move the same air. Difference is negligible. It’s a slight improvement that the racing scene won’t really care about. 👍🏼 great video guys with no sugar coats though. Great data for us 👍🏼 keep it up!
It isn't meant to be ran on a stock engine. That manifold needs headers and cams to really shine. It doesn't add 5hp no matter what access the board it depends on your other supporting mods. If you aren't going to do headers AND cams you shouldn't be going with a cj anyways let alone the newest gen 2 cj. What do you expect? On a fbo headers, cams, e85 car I guarantee there would be more than 5hp between them. That is what this gen 2 was meant for max effort setups. It isn't gonna show what it can do on a stock motor.
put it on the 350
I’ve got one on mine. It’s only good for like 5hp lol
@@dontyouworryaboutit_sounds like a bad tune
Test with the hood down.
indeed..glad they have lund tuning it.
No
@@Lifeof728 Why? The Mach 1 has an open element intake design. That’s going to inflate the numbers right off the bat for that car. At least all cars were tested on the same day, same Dyno, fuel, timing, etc.
2:58 You did lose 5wtq compared to stock Mach 1 manifold that is shown here 2:47