Both are great engines. They just use different philosophies. I love the "do more with less cubes" from the ford. I also love how responsive the LS & LT engines are from very few mods. Whichever side your heart aligns with, you should be thankful for the competition always upping the ante. Because we ultimately benefit from that with a big grin every time you mash that go pedal.
Wish more people had this mindset. I own a mustang but love the LS/LT platform and one of my dream projects is an LS Swapped 77/78 trans am and my dream car is a C7 Z06 Corvette.
@@travelinman482 because a modern LS/LT is smaller then a big block chev/Pontiac, more efficient, can make more power and has far greater transmission options to boot. You get the best of both worlds when doing a swap like that in a hot rod. This all coming from a die hard Ford Guy. I'm toying with the idea of actually doing a 7.3 swap in my Fairlane as the aftermarket grows for that engine.
@@rexmilanista Liked your comments. Now, are you talking about more [stock] transmission options? Cause there’s several companies that make aftermarket transmissions for engine swaps, etc. Also, you can make any BB engine build some serious horsepower and most importantly, torque. Dr. Olds used to build some bad ass 455ci engines in his heyday! There’s already a 7.3L Godzilla engine on TH-cam that’s pushing over 1,000 hp.
I've driven both. The 6.2 pushrod v8 Chevy makes is great for low rpm grunt work, endless torque on demand to where you'll find yourself doing hillclimbs without dropping a gear. The Ford 5.0L is great to play with at mid to high rpms and never feels short of breath. Both have positives and negatives. But at the end of the day, you won't be disappointed to own either of them
It's the joy of getting to drive all maker's designs that makes it so much fun to switch manufacturers every few years when a new version comes out. Getting old ain't bad, since I can now afford a new car every few years. That house I bought in 1977 for $40K and sold for $625K turned out to be a good investment, when I moved to a retirement home that only cost us $50K.
@D.E.B. B must've been nice buying houses in that kind of market. I bought my first place at $325k in 2017, bought a second in 2019 for $488k, and a third last year for $460k. If I were building my investment in your market, I would probably be over a dozen houses in the same length of time. But that was a different time, back before our government destroyed our way of life.
It really does not though. In fact, It does not reach peak torque till about 5krpm. It is the opposite actually. It will still tow, and make a lot of power, but it can’t compare in power to the 3.5 EB, or a diesel in low end torque.
Intake, exhaust and E85 on a Gen 3 coyote can get you in the 600hp range. That kinda settled it for me, especially combined with the 10 speed. Hell, you have 4.6L 2v's now that can get just under 500 N/A since people are making serious heads for them now (after 20 years, lol finally). Either way, I like the idea of making 5 to 600 ish hp N/A with a 5.0. The coyote simply has a more efficient cylinder and head design due to it's relatively small bore but proportionately large stroke (the ideal cylinder is actually 1/2L with the stroke being slightly larger than the bore). The coyote would be at its most efficient if it was 4 liters (like all the european v8s are). A bigger engine will obviously make more power but as he stated, the coyote is roughly 24 percent more efficient than the 6.2.
u can thank GM for the 10spd transmission but stock still 12.6s -13.6s not so impressive and that engine comes with 4 cams so is way more expensive to mod than the LT or LS
Before (big block) gasoline engines go away, I wish Ford would make a 7 liter version of the Coyote engine. Use the same bore and stroke as the 427 FE. Yes, it would be bigger and longer than the current engine, but at roughly 780hp and still driveable, it would be the meanest naturally aspirated crate engine ever.
The 6.2 can be taken to 7.0. and while still sohc, it has massive semi-hemi valve angles, and dual spark plugs allowing for a shit load of fuel and air to be burned..
Really great video. I own all three engines LS, LT, and coyote. All 3 are great but I just love the simplicity of the LS. Glad to see you are an engine guy with an open mind and not just a fan boy. That is hard to find these days.
@@stephenhodge6441 its a smaller displacements motor that pushes more hp per cubic inch. It revs higher and has a broader power ban. While both motors perform well the coyote is a better motor. Doesn't need 6 liters to produce 1xxx hp. I also personally think the ls motors are superior to the lt tech. I know some of the ls heads flow way better. Now each motor has its short comings but I would chose the coyote everyday over a lt and a ls. The modular motor lineup of Ford even there 5.4 dohc 5.2 dohc 5.8 dohc motors you can push 800 plus wheel with a pd blower and have power from idle to redlibe. Yes you can fo the dame with a lt. Comes down to power per cub fords motors are superior
This is the most genuine unbiased comparison of the two motors I think I've ever heard both have their advantages and disadvantages but in stock form they do the job they were designed for good job I learned a lot thanks
Awesome video! I have owned a few Coyote engines, all manuals. Love the reving and the sound! My dad retired from GM and I retired from Ford and live in the Motor City, born and raised. It's in my blood! Love your videos!
I've had the pleasure of owning cars with both the LS and LT, as well as the latest gen Coyote and the Voodoo 5.2L in my GT350R. I must say this is the best explanation of these motors that the common enthusiast can understand without being an mech. engineer. Well done. New sub.
@rross27 those are all some really cool builds you have had. Personally, I've had both the new LT1 in a 17 Camaro SS. And currently have a 19 Z06 with the LT4. Love both in their own way. The LT1 was a manual with 455/455 in it and she would rip and loved to be "beat" on. LT4 is the same, but you have to be careful as the car is super expensive and the engine is ridiculously more powerful than anything I have ever had. Probably going to get another ZL1 or Z28 in 26 for the last year of the gen 6, Vette will be paid for by then and more of a "show" car. Keeping her stock. Hope you can get your hands on either one in the near future, you will not be disappointed!
@@Hey_Blinkin the coyote is a different monster, it doesn't slap you in the face as much, but it's just insane how it just keeps pulling, and pulling, and pulling, yanno the LS motor might make peak around 4500-6k, meanwhile we're revving to 9 and making more power the whole way there. Completely different, but I prefer the coyote, and fyi if you want a really torquey coyote you can put a cam ground for torque in, like off the f150, and all of a sudden I can't tell much of a difference, but it's much easier to put aggressive cams stock in a DOHC motor so that's why the performance version get such aggressive cams from stock.
@rross27 I had a ‘96 Z28 and the old LT1 got a bad rap due to people using junk optisparks but it was a hell of an engine in its day. It held its ground until the LS1 showed up to take over. It didn’t take much work to get some great results with it.
Thank you for this very honest and very fair comparison. Just one small detail - the manual transmission company name is Getrag, with just one 'R' not two in the name. On that topic, before I get criticized for nitpicking, here's one for you: would you want someone to mispronounce YOUR name? Overall, great video. Thanks for treating both brands fairly and factually. I am a classic Ford V8 guy who definitely agrees with this unbiased comparison. Fresh sub here for a great video.
I'm a lifelong GM guy and have had numerous small blocks through the years, but the Coyote really is an impressive engine. And it's hard to top what those can do with a Whipple bolted to the top of an otherwise stock bottom end.
The Voodoo engine is probably the greatest engine made to date by an American manufacturer. Powerful, high revving and an intoxicating exhaust note. It left it's mark on every auto manufacturer, both domestic and import. The GT350R is one of the quickest naturally aspirated cars on the Nurburgring ever.
@@smokepeddler I have both Ford and Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3 , Ford F-150 FX4 5.4 . every time I have to work on that Ford . absolutely kick myself in the ass .. everytime I get to work on my Silverado ! I'm like hell yes more power what can I do today ! the only thing I will do to that F-150 is a tune . my 97 Z28 LT1 was actually easier to work on then this ford... I'm with you , but even if my Chevy doesn't make 300,000 miles I can still rebuild it easier ! And have fun doing it..
@@banette36 Agreed. my 99 1500 Silverado is so Easy to work on. Everything is accessible and easy to reach. I had a 97 f150 and you had to remove 10 things to replace anything. Both good trucks though.
Impressive comparison. Rare to see this level of unbiased review. Great level of explanation. I have owned an LS and now have a Coyote. Both are great engines. I am really impressed with the power, refinement and efficiency of the Coyote. 5.0L and right there with all the other larger displacement engines. I tow with mine so I appreciate the power. Keep up the great work. I also agree the Voodoo engine is an amazing piece of engineering.
You have truly mastered the art of making high quality YT videos my friend. Never been much for spec talk, but you made this LT versus Coyote/Voodoo topic quite interesting!
I am almost done with my degree to be a powertrain development tech and have gotten to take a few coyote motors apart and the older DOHC cobra motors and as much as I have gained respect for them I still don't want to deal with 4 cams and all that timing and the heads can be really tedious if you do not have the skills or experience on these types of motors. I think for simplicity and for someone looking to learn easily on a motor and make really good power without spending gobs of money you have to go with the LS or LT. The voodoo is absolutely ridiculous and is definitely not something to put down. Not too many people really realize just how different these powertrains are. Love the video! will be watching more
It’s funny the Coyote is a good engine for a half ton truck and does have decent torque for “reasonable” towing, however guys buy it and expect it to pull over its capacity and say the engine is no good it doesn’t make any torque. I wish people, even mechanically educated people, would use common sense.
@@powderriver2424 I love towing with my 5.0l, now that being said I wouldn't say it's a good engine for towing. It's doesn't make alot of bottom end grunt especially on regular fuel. The coyote loves premium, empty most won't notice a difference in power except I get a 1.3mpg average better fuel mileage. Now towing, especially on a hot day, premium really helps the mid range power. But unlike the Chevy v8s the coyote pulls strong all the way till the transmissions shifts, making the gears have a longer usable power band. A stock Chevy V8 truck engine seems to run strong up to 3800 rpm and then kinda falls flat, its still pulling strong, it just doesn't gain much after that.
I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 140,000 miles and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust. For me I prefer the Coyote V8 over the EcoBoost V6 anyday of the week because I don't deal with turbos breaking because its NA and it sounds wayyyyyyy better as well.
I was getting 26MPG out of a TPI 89 Firebird with a T56 behind it @ 75MPH mind you. I verified this on 1600 mile round trip. This car was making about 430HP and over 500ftlbs of torque. Of course that year Firebird was very aerodynamic and I had taken about 300lbs out as well as smog pumps. Not saying the new motors are not impressive but.... I think I could build one today maybe get another MPG or two and maybe another 40HP with modern electronics.
I had a Chevy K30 dually truck with the 350 in it. 3spd auto and 4.10 gears. It got about 7-8mpg. Once I swapped a 12 valve Cummins and a 5 spd in it, I had 230hp, 605ft lbs of torque and get 25 MPG. And that truck has the aerodynamics of a giant brick spinning 6 tires and 2 axles.
Great video! My buddy has a corvette and I have a Mustang GT. I feel the LS has low end torque but the coyote just keeps pulling towards the end. In my opinion, maybe the coyote is better for manual transmissions cause you can play with it more. There both great just different.
Enjoyed this video as I own both an '11 Mustang GT with the first gen 412 hp Coyote 6 speed manual and a '19 C7 LT engine Stingray 7 speed manual, and your analysis is spot on... When I drive the 'vette I really enjoy the low end torque and acceleration. The Mustang pulls well, but over a longer period and not as viscerally. Both engines are masterpieces of engineering... The Coyote gets about 24-25 mpg on the highway and the 'vette will do 30 mpg if I activate the AFM and keep my foot out of it... It's satisfying to get a 500 mile range on an 18 gallon tank :D On the occasional track day, the Mustang struggles as its suspension and brakes aren't really intended for the track, it has like a 60/40 weight distribution, making turns more challenging, while the 'vette was designed from the jump for handling with a 50/50 weight split. Both cars do really well on 11+ hour road trips as well.
Im a ford guy and that coyote engine is an absolute jewel! However, i still hold the LS in that #1 spot for engines. Just so much diversity and aftermarket support to make crazy power in an engine thats pretty damn small in size, not displacement since almost all of them are over 5L. Sick video, love learning about stuff like this, keep it up!
Nice to finally see a Ford guy understand what this whole argument is about. The coyote is a great engine but the LS just makes more sense for everyday guys on a budget,not to mention size constraints.
@@saltydog7988 Tho the budget and size constraints are heavily exaggerated by some Chevy guys to prove the LS is better for builds. Mod for mod the Ford actually beats the Chevy most of the time in power increase especially boost. It's a little more complicated in size and budget yes, but in the end it will be closer than people like to admit since the Ford doesn't require new parts or to completely build the engine, the OEM parts take massive abuse so you end up not spending money on those at all.
@@raionshishi8290 I hate to disagree,but it’s not the Chevy guys propagating this story. Tell me how many Chevy guys are swapping in a Ford engine vs Ford guys swapping in a Chevy motor? Not too many is my guess. As to the “Chevy just copied Ford” camp…do you really not think if Ford engineers knew what they had designed would they would not have developed it? And if so,what does that say about their engineers? Simple fact is GM engineers unconstrained run circles around Ford engineers. BTW…the magnetorheological shocks that let your Mustangs halfway keep up with Camaro’s? Thank GM for those. Y’all whine incessantly about displacement…5.0 vs 5.3/6.0/6.2. Two different schools of thought…but when GM decides to go for the added complexity of DOHC they’ll wipe the floor with your vaunted “Cowdoodie”. BTW…what’s with Ford and these stupid nicknames? Juvenile. You should be happy GM has stayed with cam in block. Gives you at least SOME room to crow. Dollar for dollar your engine still doesn’t compete with an LS,much less an LT engine. When’s the last time ANY Ford won a racing championship? The sixties or seventies? NHRA…nope. Indy car…nope. Daytona…nope. NASCAR…maybe once in the last 20 years. Shows me what OHC is good for. But do tell me how superior Ford is. The only real claim Ford has is when a goofy Texan named Shelby hot rodded their pathetic product did they stood out. Other than that…nada. And had the powers that presided over GM at the time not reigned Zora Arkus Duntov in…you would not even have LeMans in your pocket. So please do tell me how Ford is God when it comes to engines.
@saltydog7988 Maybe don't be broke? This isn't about what engine is better for those who are poor its about which one is better period, and the Coyote is better. Far more potential, far more efficient. They love boost and revs. Not sure what there isn't to like about the coyote.
I grew up in the dismal low hp era of the 80's. I absolutely love seeing these high tech, high hp, high economy engines coming from the factories. I wish I was a young kid now, because it's so easy to make big power.
@5:12 Valve don't breath by their area, they breath by their circumference. Splitting the same value area into the multiple valve yields way more circumference.
Awesome video brother I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 140,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK.
Went through the engine build experience for my ZR1. After assembly they weigh the engine, as they fill the oil by weight not by volume - 590 lbs for the LT5. Prior to owning the ZR1, I was driving the GT350 - and you right. The engine is absolutely amazing. I enjoyed driving it even after I picked up the ZR1. It is something completely different and great in it's own way. You really have to rev that engine out. It doesn't lack low end torque, but it is noticeably less then the LT5 even before it gets into boost, and honestly it makes it more fun to drive on the street in a lot of cases as you won't kick the back end out at lower rpms with more generous throttle input. It blows people away the first time in it when you just hold it in gear forever. The LT5 is just amazing torque and power everywhere. There is not wrong gear or too low of an RPM - if you floor it, it will send you back.
One note about the voodoo that makes it even more special than you describe: In your picture the crank journals are Up, Down, Down, Up all 180 deg. from each other. This is what all flat plane crank V8s are designed as. However the voodoo is Up, Down, Up, Down. Google a picture of the voodoo crankshaft. This makes it a bespoke design that is sort of a mix between traditional flat-plane and cross-plane. It truly is a special engine and unique piece of engineering that we might never see again.
First time I've come across your channel and I have to say this video was just superb. There was nothing you missed, apart from the sound of the engines. I'm a massive Voodoo fan boy.
Because exotics have flat cams. It’s better for racing and performance idk why people say the corvette is trying to copy the voodoo engine when if anything it’s copying all European cars
People cant grasp that GM has copied ford for a while now. They are doing so to try to catch up to the fords hp per ci since ford has always our powered GM engines per ci
Exactly. It looks like the Y block but they also took cues from the Ford Windsor with 10 bolts on the heads and no longer using siamese exhaust ports as the SBC did. The LS looks like the combination of two Ford designs put together. I like both the Coyote and the LS. Go USA.
@John Stone Yes it did. There are a lot of similarities with the Ford Windsor and with a little machining you can make an LS head fit on a Windsor block. They all take ideas from each other.
When comparing valves, I would think the circumference would matter more than the area because the air/fuel flows out from the edge of the valves. Coyote Intake Valve total circumference is 9.3 inches and the LT 6.2L is 6.69 inches.
I own a mix of what I believe are some of the greatest V8 families ever made from both Ford and GM. I have an old Ford FE in the form of a '64 352, the SBC represented by a '65 283, and I have a 6.0 LS and 5.0 Coyote. Naturally the Coyote smokes them all for power, but I don't own a LT and that LS is stock. But my favorites are the old V8's, there simplicity is awesome, having personally rebuilt both of those I mentioned.
My L92 Escalade with over 300k laughs at that. So far I've had to replace both front CV axles and wheel bearings, the battery, fuel pump and left side front diff mount. The 6L80 started having a 4th gear flare at about 240k so I turned up the shift pressure. We will see how many miles it makes it like that. I have a new trans ready and waiting.
@@camclarke9952 it’s all about proper preventative maintenance. Even Chrysler products can last a long time if you’re diligent with all of your preventative maintenance. I have a 2014 F150 5.0 with 100,000 miles on it that I bought new in 2015. Still looks and drives like a brand new truck. The only issue I ever had was having to replace a water pump, which only cost me $100 for the water pump and about 2hrs of my time in my driveway including getting the parts, replacing both belts as a preventative measure, and flushing the antifreeze since I was coming up on having to do that anyway. My parents only ever had 80’s, 90’s, and early 00’s GM vehicles and not one of them made it past 130,000 miles without a major repair. All they did was change the oil on their vehicles, unless something broke.
11:45 the LT dynamic fuel management was a nightmare with cylinder deactivation literally killing motors faster than without it. Definitely no a contribution to reliability...
I am gm fanboy, but like mentioned in the video, I am fairly unbiased as I respect all American car manufacturers. Imo GM and Chrysler didn't wanna do a cylinder deactivation system.. let's rewind to 2005-6 when the epa was cracking down on big honking displacement engines. Ford went in the way with downsized turbo 4/6 bangers to please the epa. However GM and Chrysler wanted to keep giving the people what they want, the people still wanted ohv V8 engines but the epa wouldn't have it, so D.O.D later changed to AFM for gm and Chryslers MDS systems was designed to please epa standards, that's why gm and Chryslers included these systems in their cars and trucks. Even though it's a terrible system for reliability, they still made it extremely easy to do a physical delete, since they can't do it from the factory floor, they can sell you the parts and information to be able to do so
@@anthonycosta1776 How big of an impact does tuning it out make? I got a '20 SS manual so it doesnt have it from factory but from what ive read on different pages, getting it tuned out or having the manual doesnt really save you from the lifters failing.
The Coyote being shorter front to back than many V8s actually suprised me. I'm in the process of replacing my Gen 1 Coyote short block with a Gen 3 short block. I was able to pull the engine out of my 2012 GT without removing the radiator or fan. I also had enough room at the firewall to get to the bell housing bolts very easily. The only hickup I had was having to detach the steering shaft so that I could pull the engine with the exhaust manifolds attached. The coyote is really not that complicated to work on either. I think the DOHC setup seems to make people think that it's just a huge ordeal to work on. It's not. The Timing chains and sprockets are marked, so you know exactly what goes where, it's pretty hard to mess up.
yeah I fully agree, I think people head DOHC and instantly think it's incredibly complex and some german engine. If you take a look at a coyote and an audi 4.2, the change of complexity is insanely noticeable
I recently got a 2021 Mustang GT after years of owning Chevy and I was pleasantly surprised to see that it doesn't seem to be that much more complicated to work on (without opening the engine).
Great video, I like both platforms and have done swaps on both. I think it would be great to see some videos of the durability issues that the two engines have. Camshaft issues with the LS/LT engines and the oil pressure issues with the coyote.
Great video! I can say when I test drove both for fun w/e car, no track, the LT was much more fun off the line and at the lights. The Coyote had no torque down low and the 1LE package was a no brainer, coming from a previous HEMI guy, which I think had more torque down low than both. But the SS1LE is so much more agile and fun to drive and well balanced... 😎
Its interesting I own both an LS and a Coyote, I find the LS sluggish off the line but really ramps up between 2500 and 3000 rpms, where as the coyote gets moving from a light pretty damn fast but feels like it struggles in higher RPM ranges. Mind you this might have a lot to do with the transmissions.
@@dukeman7595 well there is a probable difference in the years, Evan said LT, I said LS... the LS was known for its wimpy fuel eco cam, an issue they addressed I believe with the LT. There is also a major difference between generations of Coyote, and finally, transmissions account for a great deal of difference in getting power to the ground, it's why Dodge isn't in my garage, I got sick of replacing transmissions, and won't buy any Dodge that doesn't have the 318 (5.2L), which was the best thing Dodge ever made (sorry Hemi lovers, I can't stand weak head gaskets) which in typical Chrysler fashion the 318 was too durable and wasn't encouraging people to replace their vehicles fast enough, so they killed it off and replaced it with the 4.7L which was total trash.
Both engine architectures are absolute masterpieces Ford and GM should be commended for both of them however as you mentioned in a sports car app I would prefer the compact low low center of gravity style of the Lt purely for weight I believe it weighs a little bit less but the center of gravity is substantially lower and that is your friend when it comes to cornering and having a lower polar moment of inertia for breaking and getting back on the accelerator out of corners just my humble opinion
I'm definitely a V8 fan, without a doubt. Had a fastback Torino Gt with a 390 4spd sold it when I bought first house. Got rid of my '89 Gt 5.0 fox body a couple years later when we had kids and needed a family car. Been regretting this ever since, but I do still have a V8 truck 🤷🏻♂️. We also had a 5.3 LS in our 2002 Tahoe, but my son wrecked it🙄😡. I am old school, but I do love these new engines too. I've been wanting a new mustang for a while and if I had my choice it would be the GT 350 with the voodoo, even though the gt500 has the most horses. My neighbor just picked up one of the new Camaros and it's sweet too. You can't go wrong with either. I'm just glad we still have all these options. Hopefully we will have them for years to come, as long as the government doesn't ruin things 🙄. Thanks for the awesome video!!!
I love coyotes owned a 5.0 mistang and now a 17 f150 im building. Its hard to beat the affordability of the LS, but coyotes are just as fun and make great power
The other great thing about the 18+ coyote is that you actually have double the fuel system after a retune, so you can supercharge/turbo them to a higher level without worrying about fuel.
Yes you are correct, the hulu or vudu or whatever did not win multiple races like the ls7 did back in the day in the 2 yellow C5's. Have fun affording a rebuild on the vudu engine.
I'm a chevy guy but a Ford v8 sounds so much better. Had a few old school 5.0 ho fox bodies, shorty headers, h pipe and Flowmasters sounded amazing . The coyote sounds fantastic as well. I do prefer the low-end grunt of the ls
I’ve built both and maybe I missed it but the forged coyote internals are far better than the cast Lt 1-4 components. I found the coyote didn’t need internals to make the 800 wheel I was aiming at or head work so it was considerably cheaper to make the solid power I was hoping for.
🤣😂🤣😆😁🤣😂🤣😅😁😂Of course in the real world we make 800+ HP with the factory bottom end of the LS/LT all the time and have for over a decade. The Ford, OTOH, takes far more work to get those numbers and part of that work is always rods. But it's your fantasy, you live it...
@@scottysgarage4393 obviously you don’t do that work or you wouldn’t say something so stupid. Your saying a cast rod and piston will handle more power than a forged piece and a 2 valve head flows better than a 4, your backyard education is lacking.
Guys/gals, We must all consider the fact that we are living in a time where these phenomenal engines are being choked away by the government. Let’s all take a second to enjoy them and to make as much god damn noise with them as we possibly can. Cheers 🍻
Kudos brother! I cant stand all shit talk these electric car geeks talk about how good for the enviorment they are. Well in 50 years provided we havent whipped ourselves out with something! Id love to se them trying to rid the enviorment of batteries and acid & other crap in them ect,ect! Bye,bye water supply! Hello poisoned food. Hail to the combustion engines💪✌
@@mikeymike4329 honestly this, alternative fuels made using nuclear power are the real right track, put our motors on propane/CNG, alcoholic fuels, hydrogen, etc. We can still have them and make amazing power with them, but at the same time be FAR cleaner, and then there's hydrogen fuel cell cars, you can rebuild their parts when they eventually crap out at quite low cost, they have a very small battery, and they put out water, great for you everyday Joe who only goes a to b, meanwhile when a tesla goes out of warranty they all but force you to junk it for a new one, can't crush them though because then you let all the nasty battery stuff out and ruin equipment and possibly kill people. But no we gotta support Chinese lithium production that probably creates more pollution in a year than all the cars made from 1990-2000 that are still on the road have in the last 3, including those with removed emissions equipment.
I dont know there is something to be said for an electric car and going 0-60 in 2 seconds, thats gotta be fun even if it is mostly silent. You can ALWAYS be the first one off the light no matter what pulls up next to you!
High reviving crossplanes can be done quite easily, it’s just that the cam profiles and cylinder head design makes them very lazy down low. Project spinal tap is quite a neat take on that very subject with the LS platform. The argument that pushrods and cross planes don’t like to rev was proven untrue 30 years ago. Modern spintron testing and camshaft development has made RPM even easier to achieve with 8000+ rpm cam lobes that are requiring less than 100 lbs of seat pressure.
It not done for the revs. It's done for the reduced rotating mass which allows the engine to change revs quicker and also the exhaust scavenging. A flat plane crank is typically much lighter often about half that of a cross plane. It's the same reason if you're a road racer you would choose a light weight flywheel, allow quick up and down shifts. It was a way bigger deal during the manual trans days but it's easier on DCT too. There are some test where a Coyote crank was put into Voodoo and they made about the same power and torque. I think cross plane made a bit more torque and slightly less power, very small though. In terms of red line it's soft red line based off where the engine rolls over. If it's not a limitation of the bottom or top end in either case. That's not true of the Voodoo crank and I suspect that it wont be true of the C8's new 5.5L. It's lighter but only by a few pounds because of the large displacements. Those engine are using flat planes mostly for marketing hype. The C8R engine is heavily restricted by rules so the production engine will make considerably more power.
@@aesir0784 Poached magazine lines? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm friends with Billy Godbold on facebook and I follow his updates on projects and tech talks. I live in the land of nascar country where huge cube V8's spend most of their lives at 8000+ RPM.
I remember when GM released the LS platform, Ford already had the mod motor, overhead cam design. Many said GM’s new engine would fail miserably by staying with old technology.
The numbers sold speaks volumes. Simplicity. Also, in the greatest country on the planet, it's an 8cyl fartcan hondezy. At the end of the day, when your laying down for the evening, it's still a ford. Sweet dreams.
In the early 90s GM had already tested with identical vettes but with one powered by a DOHC they had designed and then a newer version of the 350 and GM decided they still liked the low end torque and instantaneous power compared to the DOHC they had designed. They then continued to produce the same kind of OHV motors they always have lol! Cool stuff to check out if you are interested.
@@BIGEDSIK28 They did more than test a DOHC motor. They offered the 1990 ZR1/LT5 ("King of the Hill") Corvette. Not sure how many they sold, but it was a very expensive engine to build. It's amazing that GM has been able to build such venerable powerplants using OHV technology for so many decades. My hats off to them.
@@WhalerGA Oh yes I have heard of such a vette lol! I'm sure they only made just a handful and they are easily over 100k. Half of them are probably in Bowling Green! I've heard rumors of a new c8ZR1 with a DOHC TT motor being stuffed in it. Actually really excited to see it. When I'm done with my powertrain development tech degree If I get in at GM I will be in the R&D building, dynoing, in Milford!
For the future you have to include the driver and the car.That style and feel of the car will let people understand the driving style they are eager for
Great video, so thanks for sharing. I have a planned engine swap from my LS3 to a larger displacement LS-style build. There's no way I could use the Coyote in my build for many reasons. However, I would love to split the difference and pick up the Mercury SB7 but unfortunately, those heads wouldn't fit in my vehicle.
The LS/LT engines will be the go-to option for builders for years to come. As you've noted, the engines were made in huge numbers and their is tons of aftermarket support. In an OE application, I prefer the Ford engine for its sophistication.
@@MrMightyZ There are injector companies out now making big CC DI kits and stroked pumps like how the diesel boys do it. Tuning the stuff is a pain in the ass still, but getting better. You're better off with an aftermarket ECU and injector driver, but the stock shit can work too. The idea of fuel delivery timing isn't really here yet, but it's going to be a game changer. With DI, you can build engines totally immune to detonation because you can put fuel directly in the cylinder after TDC and intake valve is closed.
@@scottleggejr And I have zero doubts about DI being objectively more power efficient and I’ve seen some bonkers after market numbers but I’m poor so I value longevity and reliability above all else and DI requires to much long term maintenance to keep the headgear clean. Long term a DI motor can start behaving like an old carbureted engine. Rough.
It is interesting that in sport bikes, a flat-plane crank is the norm. In fact, Yamaha made a big deal about their R1 when they changed it to have a cross-plane crank.
It's all about application. I'll take the out of hole grunt and neck breaking torque of the LT for the street over high rev power of the cotote all day long. Now if I could just get a LT2 in a mustang. The LT feels like a big block.
Good video, the biggest take away here is the price. Ls, Lt far more cheaper to purchase and upgrade. Not to mention a more simple design, easier to work on. I feel ford doesn't leav much room on the plate for modding, they come pretty maxed out in my opinion. Both have there place.
I Have owned many of brands both over past 70 years and seems like GM bit the dust about 1980 . The 1960's and 70's when all the GM cars were different like Buick - Oldsmobile -Pontiac they seemed to be much better than ones built after 1980. The 327 was one of GM's best engines I Owned 409 -348-350 just to name a few. The Ford 289 -302 and 351 W were some of the very best ever built in my opinion and I have never got a dime from either Ford or GM just telling it like it was back in the good old days when gas was around 28 cents per gallon and we still had a little privacy. Thanks for the video.
I’ve owned both. The LS gives me less anxiety as it’s easier to work on and less to go wrong, but the top end power on the Coyote is addictive. VERY addictive! I honestly still prefer the SBC both for it’s sound and cost effectiveness. I can buy a BluePrint 396-454 SBC that’ll make 500-600hp for about 5600-9200 that has a 30 month 50,000 mile warranty. It’s fun to beat LS and Coyote guys in a 77 Z28! I think I’ll have one for my 71 Chevelle too!
I was always a Ford guy. The Triton modulars from 97 to 2003 were indestructible. But the 2004 and later variable valve timing was a distaster. It pains me to say it, but I had to buy a used Chevy in that era. The later ones improved a bit. But they still look rather complicated.
Why do guys with entire engine swaps like to “beat” on basically stock cars. I don’t think anyone would be surprised or care that your 454 beat a bolt on camero or mustang.
I've owned 4 vehicles with LS engines. Every one of them got better gas mileage than was advertised, 2 of them MUCH better. I never understood why the GM engines weren't advertised with better mileage. I've often wondered if the same might hold true with the Coyotes.
The "posted" mileage numbers are from an artificial test devised by the EPA , and applied by computer on a complete car on a "rolling road"- chassis dyno. FR
@@korndawggy1801 That's the funny thing, I didn't. In fact, I had 3 quarter mile passes at a track on the same tank when it got 28MPG (while it was only rated at 26.)
From a technical stand point I understand the fascination with the coyote. However from a consumer standpoint the more affordable, compact, reliable, and aftermarket supported ls and lt blow it out of the water the best comparison between these 2 has always been dollars per horsepower and the ls and lt have always won.
With a tune you can go to 8200rpm, just don't bounce it off the limiter. Oil Pump Gears tend to not like the harmonics and bouncing back and forth. Love my 19 401A PP1 nom nom revs to the moon !!
@@josiahvanopstal9435 if you set the vvt up right it can actually make really great power even higher, but all youd need is a mildly larger VVT cam and you could make a massive power plateau waaay up there.
Actually the area of the intake valves on the LT is larger than that of the Coyote. The Coyote provides 2268.22 mm^2 of area. Where as the LT has an area of 2290.22 mm^2
That would be true if the air flow went through the area of the valve, but the air travels around the circumference of the valve. An LT valve has a valve circumference of 339.29 mm. A Coyote valve has a circumference of 238.76 times two or 477.52 mm. Two smaller Coyote intake valves have 40% more airflow than one larger LS intake valve. The exhaust on the Coyote is 36% more than the 6.2L
@@ready4anap If that is true, how come the LT1 heads flow more CFM? 2014 C7 stock heads flow 295 CFM on the intake. The Coyote heads flow 289 CFM, both at .500 lift.
As someone who was effectively a GM guy growing up, and I still love a lot about GM engines, I am now a Ford F-150 guy. I love my 14 with the Coyote. Had it since new and it’s got 465,000 km on it and still running strong. We are spoiled having so many great engines on the market, and that includes the wild engines in the Dodge/Ram line. It’s really a matter of personal preference but the engines are all solid. I just prefer the styling of my 2014 FX4 over anything current or earlier (save for the exterior styling of the 67-72 GMC).
I feel like the coyote is just kind of the “option b” for the LS/LT. It’s just a totally different platform that provides comparable performance. It’s a pick your flavor kind of thing. Adds a little flavor and diversity to the market. I’m a coyote fan mostly because ford actually finally did something about their underwhelming modular engines and made some engineering magic happen.
Underwhelming?? John Mihovetz has made over 3,000 hp from the older 4.6 4v utilizing the factory block and heads, timing components, factory Kellogg crank spinning it past 10,000 rpm and running a 5.88 @ 250mph from 281 in³. There's positively zero mass produced factory engines with that much OEM metal that's done that anywhere on this planet besides the 5.4L he also built in the world record standing mile ford GT that's similar in power and parts which it ran 300.4 mph in a mile...also unchallenged by any other factory powerplant on this earth. (The Chiron runs 221 in a mile)
Well let’s be honest Chevrolet already had a quad cam engine way before the vodoo it just wasn’t needed but gm will be producing 640 hp way more than the vodoo engine imagine that 🤣🤣
Sounds great and revs high, but to many complaints of oil consumption and engine failure. I wonder if Gm is copying or if it was in their plans all along… either way I hope reliability is better than voodoo.
@@MannyDelReal Chevrolet Didn't get the kinks worked out of that engine that's why they went away from it. From cooling issues to crankshaft problems. Most everything overhead cam GM ever did was crap. From the Z34 Lumina's to the ZR1. Yeah they ran but for how long? GM Is not willing to spend the time to figure them out. It's easier to add cubic inches to make power and that's just a fact.
gm did it for the rpm and sound. The vette has always been a sportscar and the top models have been easily in supercar territory. Ford is a mustang, sorry to say and its direct comp is a camaro. I cant see paying over 100k dollars for a mustang. Ford should take some tips from the engineers building the LS and LT's . As stated above, " No torque, no room in engine bays for it, its heavier, no low center of gravity for cornering, and 5x the expense for lower cubes and same hp. Give credit to ford on hp per cubes but it fails miserably in all other departments. Oh and poor oiling on mod motors where the pushrod oils fantastically
@@MannyDelReal if you're talking about the quad cam motor in the c4 ZR1, it wasn't done by Chevrolet. If I recall correctly it was done by Volvo or Mercury marine or some other company, def not Chevy tho.
Having lived through the '60's / '70's Chevy /Ford /Mopar fun, What I love so much today, is that we have such great engines AND great handling cars, that we can just buy and drive. I remember spending way more time under the hood and under the car working on trying to get every hundredth of a second off my lap and quarter times, and while I got the satisfaction of knowing I got the results from my own decisions of what to put in my engine / suspensions, I truly would have rather been out, driving my cars. It's terrific that we have so many wonderful performance choices in such reliable, comfortable, beautiful cars. Progress in all areas. But we only have so much time left, because as we've seen with the performance of the Teslas, all electric racing is just around the corner, as the internal combustion engines will soon be eclipsed by electric motors and batteries. We'll all be racing around in giant versions of our slot cars!
I think Ford added cylinder deactivation (not a fan of it on the GM’s, nor do I think engine auto stop/start is good for the engine longevity). Also, I think there are a few 7 speed manuals, maybe that was just for LS?
Ford has had cylinder deactivation for awhile. Except with Ford its only used when the engine has overheated. That is why you never here about it from Ford.
It's nice to see the ford geeks finally have an option that isn't embarrassing...but none of these "advantages" mean anything to me. LS/LT is applicable to more people, more cars, more random vehicles like boats, helicopters, and airplanes... These days you are really splitting hairs when you compare HP/gas mileage. The only question I want answered is, which one lasts, and which one is cheaper/easier to fix when it does break?
Agreed. I think they will all probably be "fast enough" (or quickly able to get to that point) and its a matter of reliability/fixability/availability of parts.
LS is more readily available, and most mechanics know them inside and out, coyotes are reliable as a 4.6 2V can be, but they make more power. The only problem is they’re more advanced than the LS, which means it takes a bit more experience to work on it. Agreed however LS works a lot more for random applications, I’m just glad to see Ford’s running Ford engines again.
The Coyote "should" outlast the pushrod engines due to the OHC design being more efficient, lighter valve train weight and DI and Port injection. An argument can be made however if the Coyote and LS\LT are both abused at high RPM's, the LS\LT should suffer less crank and rod bearing wear. But no way will a Coyote be cheaper (or easier) to repair. I'm a pretty good grease monkey and those things are much more difficult to wrench on!
I was hoping to hear more about failure rates. I briefly looked at a GT350 but the engine issues kind of scared me away. Also would have been interesting to include the 6.4 and 6.2 offerings from Stelantis.
I would stay clear of the VooDoo engine for sure.. ESPECIALLY if you plan on doing track days. Randy Probst (professional race car driver and car tester) mentioned how he was not a fan of the voodoo because they DO NOT handle track days well.. as in... they fail, in a bad way
@@jasontk6968 - Any engine made to rev to 9000 rpms and have massive amounts of power/torque aren't ever going to be "made to last a long time" - Not one engine in any high performance car will last if driven as intended. The predicted engine "life" of a Ferrari or other exotic car engine is less than 60k miles. If I want longevity, I'll buy a Toyota Corolla.
Great comparison between the engine builds. There was one GM engine that you missed on the GM side and should have been put in the specialty engine competition. The new "Blackwing" from Cadillac. It makes 550hp with 640lb-tq out of an incredibly small 4.2L V8 and can only be found in the 2020+ CT5-V (for now).
31 year Ford mechanic told me an LS 6.0 5.3 6.2 or any LT engine same liter sizes would put double if not triple the miles on a 5.0 could ever do. He said he loves 5.0s the said it’s a much larger Engine but won’t out last the LS/LT line up.
Everybody has there options, had a 2018 Silverado with a 5.3 in it and it was a complete piece of garbage. No power at all, average about 2mpg less then advertised and overall just junk. Have a coyote in f150 and its night and day. As far as getting g miles out of motors it comes down to maintenance. Ls is a great motor and so is the lt but I own a f150 with a coyote and a boss 302 with the road runner version of the coyote and will put them up vs gm products anyday. Know plenty of mechanics that could give arguments for both brands
Would like to see an overview of the 7.3 Godzilla, Ford block. Would be cool to see how it stacks up to Chevy and Dodge's large displacement engines. Its of similar design, not an overhead cam block like the Coyote. Its supposed to make crazy HP and torque with little modification.
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Both are great engines. They just use different philosophies. I love the "do more with less cubes" from the ford. I also love how responsive the LS & LT engines are from very few mods. Whichever side your heart aligns with, you should be thankful for the competition always upping the ante. Because we ultimately benefit from that with a big grin every time you mash that go pedal.
Wish more people had this mindset. I own a mustang but love the LS/LT platform and one of my dream projects is an LS Swapped 77/78 trans am and my dream car is a C7 Z06 Corvette.
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It’s sacrilegious to put a Chevy engine into a Pontiac. Why not a Pontiac 455 big block?
@@travelinman482 because a modern LS/LT is smaller then a big block chev/Pontiac, more efficient, can make more power and has far greater transmission options to boot. You get the best of both worlds when doing a swap like that in a hot rod.
This all coming from a die hard Ford Guy. I'm toying with the idea of actually doing a 7.3 swap in my Fairlane as the aftermarket grows for that engine.
@@rexmilanista
Liked your comments. Now, are you talking about more [stock] transmission options? Cause there’s several companies that make aftermarket transmissions for engine swaps, etc. Also, you can make any BB engine build some serious horsepower and most importantly, torque. Dr. Olds used to build some bad ass 455ci engines in his heyday! There’s already a 7.3L Godzilla engine on TH-cam that’s pushing over 1,000 hp.
@J Jones
Blue 400…? Ford powertrain?
I've driven both.
The 6.2 pushrod v8 Chevy makes is great for low rpm grunt work, endless torque on demand to where you'll find yourself doing hillclimbs without dropping a gear.
The Ford 5.0L is great to play with at mid to high rpms and never feels short of breath.
Both have positives and negatives. But at the end of the day, you won't be disappointed to own either of them
It's the joy of getting to drive all maker's designs that makes it so much fun to switch manufacturers every few years when a new version comes out. Getting old ain't bad, since I can now afford a new car every few years. That house I bought in 1977 for $40K and sold for $625K turned out to be a good investment, when I moved to a retirement home that only cost us $50K.
@D.E.B. B must've been nice buying houses in that kind of market. I bought my first place at $325k in 2017, bought a second in 2019 for $488k, and a third last year for $460k.
If I were building my investment in your market, I would probably be over a dozen houses in the same length of time.
But that was a different time, back before our government destroyed our way of life.
It really does not though. In fact, It does not reach peak torque till about 5krpm. It is the opposite actually. It will still tow, and make a lot of power, but it can’t compare in power to the 3.5 EB, or a diesel in low end torque.
@@Calebflying2025 It's not the size of the block which determines when the torque comes on the cam.
Intake, exhaust and E85 on a Gen 3 coyote can get you in the 600hp range. That kinda settled it for me, especially combined with the 10 speed. Hell, you have 4.6L 2v's now that can get just under 500 N/A since people are making serious heads for them now (after 20 years, lol finally). Either way, I like the idea of making 5 to 600 ish hp N/A with a 5.0. The coyote simply has a more efficient cylinder and head design due to it's relatively small bore but proportionately large stroke (the ideal cylinder is actually 1/2L with the stroke being slightly larger than the bore). The coyote would be at its most efficient if it was 4 liters (like all the european v8s are). A bigger engine will obviously make more power but as he stated, the coyote is roughly 24 percent more efficient than the 6.2.
I’m not a Ford guy by any stretch however it’s impossible to ignore how good the coyotes are! Those 10r80’s are nuts too
u can thank GM for the 10spd transmission but stock still 12.6s -13.6s not so impressive and that engine comes with 4 cams so is way more expensive to mod than the LT or LS
@@xxtriss-lt6Thank GM for what? The 10 speed is all Fords design.Its the 9 speed that came from that joint venture that was used in GM vehicles.
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@@AceEnigmaVods tell me u don’t know shit about cars without telling me
@@xxtriss-lt6 that’s cool man. Care to counter argue or just hurl insults . Your tik tok insults don’t really have much impact bud
Before (big block) gasoline engines go away, I wish Ford would make a 7 liter version of the Coyote engine. Use the same bore and stroke as the 427 FE. Yes, it would be bigger and longer than the current engine, but at roughly 780hp and still driveable, it would be the meanest naturally aspirated crate engine ever.
Gas motors aren't going anywhere
The 6.2 can be taken to 7.0. and while still sohc, it has massive semi-hemi valve angles, and dual spark plugs allowing for a shit load of fuel and air to be burned..
Or buy the 7.3L godzilla engine they have now. Not a oversized coyote but they share ford's modular whatever thingy.
One last Hoo-Rah, the return of “The Cammer”
Ford did make the 427 SOHC Cammer V8 and let me tell you its the most baddest engine on the planet.
Really great video. I own all three engines LS, LT, and coyote. All 3 are great but I just love the simplicity of the LS. Glad to see you are an engine guy with an open mind and not just a fan boy. That is hard to find these days.
100% was the best comparison I've seen yet! They all make great motors these days that's for sure.
Since u own all three i wanted ro ask, how much diffrent feeling is the low end torque in the coyote compared to ls?
Coyote is a better motor
@@09shelby15 would you like to enlighten the rest of us with facts?
@@stephenhodge6441 its a smaller displacements motor that pushes more hp per cubic inch. It revs higher and has a broader power ban. While both motors perform well the coyote is a better motor. Doesn't need 6 liters to produce 1xxx hp. I also personally think the ls motors are superior to the lt tech. I know some of the ls heads flow way better. Now each motor has its short comings but I would chose the coyote everyday over a lt and a ls. The modular motor lineup of Ford even there 5.4 dohc 5.2 dohc 5.8 dohc motors you can push 800 plus wheel with a pd blower and have power from idle to redlibe. Yes you can fo the dame with a lt. Comes down to power per cub fords motors are superior
This is the most genuine unbiased comparison of the two motors I think I've ever heard both have their advantages and disadvantages but in stock form they do the job they were designed for good job I learned a lot thanks
Good video with good details. The real answer is “it depends”.
Exactly.
They are obsolete. Compare with new engine in model s
@@CHMichael Tesla? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@CHMichael you mean battery?
@@CHMichael your stupidity isn't needed here.
Damn dude you have a complete understanding of these motors & you're good at explaining it 💯%👍👍
Niether one, what is there dfi 2 stroke v8 option for 2022?
Lol. This is like elementary 😆 WOW you are easily amused. This is common knowledge bro
@Brian Stafford cause the 2 piece plugs. Im a Ford guy and the 5.4 of that yr is junk
@Brian Stafford the 5.4 isnt half the engine a mod 302 for that matter.
😆 this comment wreaks of clueless
Awesome video! I have owned a few Coyote engines, all manuals. Love the reving and the sound!
My dad retired from GM and I retired from Ford and live in the Motor City, born and raised. It's in my blood!
Love your videos!
Thank you sir for making awesome built American power. Please thank your Dad for me too?
I've had the pleasure of owning cars with both the LS and LT, as well as the latest gen Coyote and the Voodoo 5.2L in my GT350R. I must say this is the best explanation of these motors that the common enthusiast can understand without being an mech. engineer. Well done. New sub.
@rross27 we all know the answer... LS
All he did was take all the stats, that you, honestly could have read yourself and made a video.
@rross27 those are all some really cool builds you have had. Personally, I've had both the new LT1 in a 17 Camaro SS. And currently have a 19 Z06 with the LT4. Love both in their own way. The LT1 was a manual with 455/455 in it and she would rip and loved to be "beat" on. LT4 is the same, but you have to be careful as the car is super expensive and the engine is ridiculously more powerful than anything I have ever had. Probably going to get another ZL1 or Z28 in 26 for the last year of the gen 6, Vette will be paid for by then and more of a "show" car. Keeping her stock. Hope you can get your hands on either one in the near future, you will not be disappointed!
@@Hey_Blinkin the coyote is a different monster, it doesn't slap you in the face as much, but it's just insane how it just keeps pulling, and pulling, and pulling, yanno the LS motor might make peak around 4500-6k, meanwhile we're revving to 9 and making more power the whole way there. Completely different, but I prefer the coyote, and fyi if you want a really torquey coyote you can put a cam ground for torque in, like off the f150, and all of a sudden I can't tell much of a difference, but it's much easier to put aggressive cams stock in a DOHC motor so that's why the performance version get such aggressive cams from stock.
@rross27 I had a ‘96 Z28 and the old LT1 got a bad rap due to people using junk optisparks but it was a hell of an engine in its day. It held its ground until the LS1 showed up to take over. It didn’t take much work to get some great results with it.
Thank you for this very honest and very fair comparison. Just one small detail - the manual transmission company name is Getrag, with just one 'R' not two in the name. On that topic, before I get criticized for nitpicking, here's one for you: would you want someone to mispronounce YOUR name?
Overall, great video. Thanks for treating both brands fairly and factually. I am a classic Ford V8 guy who definitely agrees with this unbiased comparison.
Fresh sub here for a great video.
I'm a lifelong GM guy and have had numerous small blocks through the years, but the Coyote really is an impressive engine. And it's hard to top what those can do with a Whipple bolted to the top of an otherwise stock bottom end.
The Voodoo engine is probably the greatest engine made to date by an American manufacturer. Powerful, high revving and an intoxicating exhaust note. It left it's mark on every auto manufacturer, both domestic and import. The GT350R is one of the quickest naturally aspirated cars on the Nurburgring ever.
Nah, the LS and LT engines are better...
Yup
When I see a voodoo or coyote with 300k miles and still runs strong we'll talk.
Until then I'll go with an LS.
@@smokepeddler I have both Ford and Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3 , Ford F-150 FX4 5.4 . every time I have to work on that Ford . absolutely kick myself in the ass .. everytime I get to work on my Silverado ! I'm like hell yes more power what can I do today ! the only thing I will do to that F-150 is a tune .
my 97 Z28 LT1 was actually easier to work on then this ford... I'm with you , but even if my Chevy doesn't make 300,000 miles I can still rebuild it easier !
And have fun doing it..
@@banette36 Agreed. my 99 1500 Silverado is so Easy to work on. Everything is accessible and easy to reach. I had a 97 f150 and you had to remove 10 things to replace anything. Both good trucks though.
Impressive comparison. Rare to see this level of unbiased review. Great level of explanation. I have owned an LS and now have a Coyote. Both are great engines. I am really impressed with the power, refinement and efficiency of the Coyote. 5.0L and right there with all the other larger displacement engines. I tow with mine so I appreciate the power. Keep up the great work. I also agree the Voodoo engine is an amazing piece of engineering.
You have truly mastered the art of making high quality YT videos my friend. Never been much for spec talk, but you made this LT versus Coyote/Voodoo topic quite interesting!
I am almost done with my degree to be a powertrain development tech and have gotten to take a few coyote motors apart and the older DOHC cobra motors and as much as I have gained respect for them I still don't want to deal with 4 cams and all that timing and the heads can be really tedious if you do not have the skills or experience on these types of motors. I think for simplicity and for someone looking to learn easily on a motor and make really good power without spending gobs of money you have to go with the LS or LT. The voodoo is absolutely ridiculous and is definitely not something to put down. Not too many people really realize just how different these powertrains are. Love the video! will be watching more
The LT motors are a ticking time-bomb.
@@Lupine. its all preference. with the 4 coyotes I've rebuilt at school I could say the same for them lol.
@@BIGEDSIK28 The LTs are throwing rods and having constant injector issues within 30-40k miles.
Retaining the bore spacing from the 91 mod motor has been Ford's original sin. It's the handicap that keeps on handicapping.
@@taylorc2542 "slappy is sloppy when the service comes due" is what an old hotrod guy told me as a kid.
It’s funny the Coyote is a good engine for a half ton truck and does have decent torque for “reasonable” towing, however guys buy it and expect it to pull over its capacity and say the engine is no good it doesn’t make any torque.
I wish people, even mechanically educated people, would use common sense.
The guys that most often say that are the guys that swear by the Ecoboost engines.
@@karlschauff7989 Could be I suppose, the eco really cranks out the power, but the only thing it can’t pass is a gas station…Lol
@@powderriver2424 I love towing with my 5.0l, now that being said I wouldn't say it's a good engine for towing. It's doesn't make alot of bottom end grunt especially on regular fuel.
The coyote loves premium, empty most won't notice a difference in power except I get a 1.3mpg average better fuel mileage. Now towing, especially on a hot day, premium really helps the mid range power. But unlike the Chevy v8s the coyote pulls strong all the way till the transmissions shifts, making the gears have a longer usable power band. A stock Chevy V8 truck engine seems to run strong up to 3800 rpm and then kinda falls flat, its still pulling strong, it just doesn't gain much after that.
Mostly are EcoBoost owners that bashes on the Coyote V8 and calls it 5.Slow Slowoyote.
I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 140,000 miles and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust. For me I prefer the Coyote V8 over the EcoBoost V6 anyday of the week because I don't deal with turbos breaking because its NA and it sounds wayyyyyyy better as well.
I was getting 26MPG out of a TPI 89 Firebird with a T56 behind it @ 75MPH mind you. I verified this on 1600 mile round trip. This car was making about 430HP and over 500ftlbs of torque. Of course that year Firebird was very aerodynamic and I had taken about 300lbs out as well as smog pumps. Not saying the new motors are not impressive but.... I think I could build one today maybe get another MPG or two and maybe another 40HP with modern electronics.
I've had an '83 Firebird, '85 Bandit II & an '87 GTA, all great cars
I had a Chevy K30 dually truck with the 350 in it. 3spd auto and 4.10 gears. It got about 7-8mpg. Once I swapped a 12 valve Cummins and a 5 spd in it, I had 230hp, 605ft lbs of torque and get 25 MPG. And that truck has the aerodynamics of a giant brick spinning 6 tires and 2 axles.
Great video! My buddy has a corvette and I have a Mustang GT. I feel the LS has low end torque but the coyote just keeps pulling towards the end. In my opinion, maybe the coyote is better for manual transmissions cause you can play with it more. There both great just different.
Clown cars and I'll have a few things to do with my Big SEXY HEMI pal.
Agreed I have both LS and coyote.
Great video!! Keep them coming. Best info with the least bias I’ve ever seen
Thanks! Will do!
Enjoyed this video as I own both an '11 Mustang GT with the first gen 412 hp Coyote 6 speed manual and a '19 C7 LT engine Stingray 7 speed manual, and your analysis is spot on...
When I drive the 'vette I really enjoy the low end torque and acceleration. The Mustang pulls well, but over a longer period and not as viscerally. Both engines are masterpieces of engineering...
The Coyote gets about 24-25 mpg on the highway and the 'vette will do 30 mpg if I activate the AFM and keep my foot out of it... It's satisfying to get a 500 mile range on an 18 gallon tank :D
On the occasional track day, the Mustang struggles as its suspension and brakes aren't really intended for the track, it has like a 60/40 weight distribution, making turns more challenging, while the 'vette was designed from the jump for handling with a 50/50 weight split. Both cars do really well on 11+ hour road trips as well.
Im a ford guy and that coyote engine is an absolute jewel! However, i still hold the LS in that #1 spot for engines. Just so much diversity and aftermarket support to make crazy power in an engine thats pretty damn small in size, not displacement since almost all of them are over 5L. Sick video, love learning about stuff like this, keep it up!
Well said!
Nice to finally see a Ford guy understand what this whole argument is about. The coyote is a great engine but the LS just makes more sense for everyday guys on a budget,not to mention size constraints.
@@saltydog7988 Tho the budget and size constraints are heavily exaggerated by some Chevy guys to prove the LS is better for builds. Mod for mod the Ford actually beats the Chevy most of the time in power increase especially boost. It's a little more complicated in size and budget yes, but in the end it will be closer than people like to admit since the Ford doesn't require new parts or to completely build the engine, the OEM parts take massive abuse so you end up not spending money on those at all.
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I hate to disagree,but it’s not the Chevy guys propagating this story. Tell me how many Chevy guys are swapping in a Ford engine vs Ford guys swapping in a Chevy motor? Not too many is my guess.
As to the “Chevy just copied Ford” camp…do you really not think if Ford engineers knew what they had designed would they would not have developed it? And if so,what does that say about their engineers?
Simple fact is GM engineers unconstrained run circles around Ford engineers. BTW…the magnetorheological shocks that let your Mustangs halfway keep up with Camaro’s? Thank GM for those. Y’all whine incessantly about displacement…5.0 vs 5.3/6.0/6.2. Two different schools of thought…but when GM decides to go for the added complexity of DOHC they’ll wipe the floor with your vaunted “Cowdoodie”. BTW…what’s with Ford and these stupid nicknames? Juvenile. You should be happy GM has stayed with cam in block. Gives you at least SOME room to crow. Dollar for dollar your engine still doesn’t compete with an LS,much less an LT engine. When’s the last time ANY Ford won a racing championship? The sixties or seventies? NHRA…nope. Indy car…nope. Daytona…nope. NASCAR…maybe once in the last 20 years. Shows me what OHC is good for. But do tell me how superior Ford is. The only real claim Ford has is when a goofy Texan named Shelby hot rodded their pathetic product did they stood out. Other than that…nada. And had the powers that presided over GM at the time not reigned Zora Arkus Duntov in…you would not even have LeMans in your pocket.
So please do tell me how Ford is God when it comes to engines.
@saltydog7988 Maybe don't be broke? This isn't about what engine is better for those who are poor its about which one is better period, and the Coyote is better. Far more potential, far more efficient. They love boost and revs. Not sure what there isn't to like about the coyote.
I grew up in the dismal low hp era of the 80's. I absolutely love seeing these high tech, high hp, high economy engines coming from the factories. I wish I was a young kid now, because it's so easy to make big power.
@5:12 Valve don't breath by their area, they breath by their circumference. Splitting the same value area into the multiple valve yields way more circumference.
Awesome video brother I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 140,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK.
Went through the engine build experience for my ZR1. After assembly they weigh the engine, as they fill the oil by weight not by volume - 590 lbs for the LT5.
Prior to owning the ZR1, I was driving the GT350 - and you right. The engine is absolutely amazing. I enjoyed driving it even after I picked up the ZR1. It is something completely different and great in it's own way.
You really have to rev that engine out. It doesn't lack low end torque, but it is noticeably less then the LT5 even before it gets into boost, and honestly it makes it more fun to drive on the street in a lot of cases as you won't kick the back end out at lower rpms with more generous throttle input. It blows people away the first time in it when you just hold it in gear forever.
The LT5 is just amazing torque and power everywhere. There is not wrong gear or too low of an RPM - if you floor it, it will send you back.
One note about the voodoo that makes it even more special than you describe: In your picture the crank journals are Up, Down, Down, Up all 180 deg. from each other. This is what all flat plane crank V8s are designed as. However the voodoo is Up, Down, Up, Down. Google a picture of the voodoo crankshaft. This makes it a bespoke design that is sort of a mix between traditional flat-plane and cross-plane. It truly is a special engine and unique piece of engineering that we might never see again.
LOVE this content, just found the channel 30 minutes ago.
As a mechanical engineer I approve of and appreciate this video
You shouldn't approve.. the FORD GODZILLA 2 valve pushrod is far more appropriate comparison.. AND Ford will get the cube advantage FOR ONCE..
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Not even close to most expensive
Most expensive to date yes
First time I've come across your channel and I have to say this video was just superb. There was nothing you missed, apart from the sound of the engines. I'm a massive Voodoo fan boy.
I too am a GM guy, but best comment ever about the Voodoo engine. It sounds like an exotic.
Gm junk period wait
Because exotics have flat cams. It’s better for racing and performance idk why people say the corvette is trying to copy the voodoo engine when if anything it’s copying all European cars
Gotta appreciate the engineering went into making the Voodoo engine.. LS guy
Gotta appreciate the how GM got the pushrod down to a science.......... Coyote guy
Can’t forget the forced induced version of the voodoo, the predator. Pretty damn amazing for the size of it…. LS guy as well.
This comment section makes me happy.
with out a doubt it's one of the best thought out engine platforms ever to be produced .........Hemi Guy
People cant grasp that GM has copied ford for a while now. They are doing so to try to catch up to the fords hp per ci since ford has always our powered GM engines per ci
Damn good analysis brother! And I do agree that they are overly complicated but that is what gives them their charm. I'm still sticking with my 351W.
Love my Windsor.
Cleveland!
It's amazing how the LT block looks like a modern day version of the 1954 Ford Y-Block.
Exactly. It looks like the Y block but they also took cues from the Ford Windsor with 10 bolts on the heads and no longer using siamese exhaust ports as the SBC did. The LS looks like the combination of two Ford designs put together. I like both the Coyote and the LS. Go USA.
@@almodequindre8601 Amen to that brother.
@John Stone Yes it did. There are a lot of similarities with the Ford Windsor and with a little machining you can make an LS head fit on a Windsor block. They all take ideas from each other.
@John Stone Well copy and paste into your YT search and enjoy
. 351LS Part 6
Lol, having a similar head spacing is not taking something from Ford. Ugh, that was debunked 23 years ago.
The 2021 Mach 1 actually has a tremec 6 speed option, making it the first factory paired coyote/tremec.
Why and the hell people dislike this vid. I think it's an amazing explanation. 👏
When comparing valves, I would think the circumference would matter more than the area because the air/fuel flows out from the edge of the valves. Coyote Intake Valve total circumference is 9.3 inches and the LT 6.2L is 6.69 inches.
What had the Coyote IVs been only 6.7 inches?
The Coyote also went from 302 cid to 307 cid with the Gen 3 updates.
On the new gen 4, they went back to 302. They had to make a thicker plasma sprayed lining, making a smaller bore,
for durability.
I own a mix of what I believe are some of the greatest V8 families ever made from both Ford and GM. I have an old Ford FE in the form of a '64 352, the SBC represented by a '65 283, and I have a 6.0 LS and 5.0 Coyote. Naturally the Coyote smokes them all for power, but I don't own a LT and that LS is stock. But my favorites are the old V8's, there simplicity is awesome, having personally rebuilt both of those I mentioned.
6L LS uses a 4" bore. 6.2L LS and LT uses a 4.065" bore. (6.6L LT as well)
Love the detailed information on these engines
405 hp stock LS6 in my C5 ZO6 has been pretty much flawless. 80K no issue. So far the best motor ive ever owned and ive had a few.. 😁
My L92 Escalade with over 300k laughs at that. So far I've had to replace both front CV axles and wheel bearings, the battery, fuel pump and left side front diff mount. The 6L80 started having a 4th gear flare at about 240k so I turned up the shift pressure. We will see how many miles it makes it like that. I have a new trans ready and waiting.
@@zacharymorris9917 general maintenance it's not uncommon with 300k...if it was a ford it would be in the junkyard 150k ago..
@@camclarke9952 my brother went through 4 3.5L Ford's. At under 70k they all had severe valvetrain issues.
@@camclarke9952 it’s all about proper preventative maintenance. Even Chrysler products can last a long time if you’re diligent with all of your preventative maintenance. I have a 2014 F150 5.0 with 100,000 miles on it that I bought new in 2015. Still looks and drives like a brand new truck. The only issue I ever had was having to replace a water pump, which only cost me $100 for the water pump and about 2hrs of my time in my driveway including getting the parts, replacing both belts as a preventative measure, and flushing the antifreeze since I was coming up on having to do that anyway.
My parents only ever had 80’s, 90’s, and early 00’s GM vehicles and not one of them made it past 130,000 miles without a major repair. All they did was change the oil on their vehicles, unless something broke.
I beat the shit outta my LS1 daily. fuckin incredible.
not gonna lie ur videos are byfar the best ones to watch. I am baffled at the idea that u only have 25k subs
Because he's posting bullshit specs and car guys recognize it.
11:45 the LT dynamic fuel management was a nightmare with cylinder deactivation literally killing motors faster than without it. Definitely no a contribution to reliability...
Got that tuned out the minute I drove it off the lot. Not a big issue if addressed.
I am gm fanboy, but like mentioned in the video, I am fairly unbiased as I respect all American car manufacturers. Imo GM and Chrysler didn't wanna do a cylinder deactivation system.. let's rewind to 2005-6 when the epa was cracking down on big honking displacement engines. Ford went in the way with downsized turbo 4/6 bangers to please the epa. However GM and Chrysler wanted to keep giving the people what they want, the people still wanted ohv V8 engines but the epa wouldn't have it, so D.O.D later changed to AFM for gm and Chryslers MDS systems was designed to please epa standards, that's why gm and Chryslers included these systems in their cars and trucks. Even though it's a terrible system for reliability, they still made it extremely easy to do a physical delete, since they can't do it from the factory floor, they can sell you the parts and information to be able to do so
Eh simple tune out and it's lifter's which is another easy change.
@@anthonycosta1776 How big of an impact does tuning it out make? I got a '20 SS manual so it doesnt have it from factory but from what ive read on different pages, getting it tuned out or having the manual doesnt really save you from the lifters failing.
@@Hamillie_ the lifters seem like you could change em in the driveway 🤷.. They make a dod delete kit for your SS as well.
I don't comment on many videos but this was well done and extremely accurate.
Great job!
The Coyote being shorter front to back than many V8s actually suprised me. I'm in the process of replacing my Gen 1 Coyote short block with a Gen 3 short block. I was able to pull the engine out of my 2012 GT without removing the radiator or fan. I also had enough room at the firewall to get to the bell housing bolts very easily. The only hickup I had was having to detach the steering shaft so that I could pull the engine with the exhaust manifolds attached. The coyote is really not that complicated to work on either. I think the DOHC setup seems to make people think that it's just a huge ordeal to work on. It's not. The Timing chains and sprockets are marked, so you know exactly what goes where, it's pretty hard to mess up.
yeah I fully agree, I think people head DOHC and instantly think it's incredibly complex and some german engine. If you take a look at a coyote and an audi 4.2, the change of complexity is insanely noticeable
I recently got a 2021 Mustang GT after years of owning Chevy and I was pleasantly surprised to see that it doesn't seem to be that much more complicated to work on (without opening the engine).
The gen 6 zl1 lt4 also has a dry sump oil system, not just the vette.
This was a spectacular video. Trying to learn all I can about my 2011 Coyote and soaking this stuff up like a sponge. Many thanks.
Great video, I like both platforms and have done swaps on both. I think it would be great to see some videos of the durability issues that the two engines have. Camshaft issues with the LS/LT engines and the oil pressure issues with the coyote.
The gen 3 coyote is an absolute masterpiece.
there is a combo of parts between all 3 gens called the 3 2 1 combo and it makes a beast engine
You are extremely fair with this video, that can be tough when talking about ford vs gm, thanks, keep up the good work
Both good, i like how GM uses the old pushrod design still with modern tech. Nice low end power with the pushrod.
OHC engines are technically older tech than pushrod. Don't perpetuate the myth.
Great video! I can say when I test drove both for fun w/e car, no track, the LT was much more fun off the line and at the lights. The Coyote had no torque down low and the 1LE package was a no brainer, coming from a previous HEMI guy, which I think had more torque down low than both. But the SS1LE is so much more agile and fun to drive and well balanced... 😎
Its interesting I own both an LS and a Coyote, I find the LS sluggish off the line but really ramps up between 2500 and 3000 rpms, where as the coyote gets moving from a light pretty damn fast but feels like it struggles in higher RPM ranges. Mind you this might have a lot to do with the transmissions.
@@loganl7547 Wow, two opposite opinions , who would have ever guessed!
@@dukeman7595 well there is a probable difference in the years, Evan said LT, I said LS... the LS was known for its wimpy fuel eco cam, an issue they addressed I believe with the LT. There is also a major difference between generations of Coyote, and finally, transmissions account for a great deal of difference in getting power to the ground, it's why Dodge isn't in my garage, I got sick of replacing transmissions, and won't buy any Dodge that doesn't have the 318 (5.2L), which was the best thing Dodge ever made (sorry Hemi lovers, I can't stand weak head gaskets) which in typical Chrysler fashion the 318 was too durable and wasn't encouraging people to replace their vehicles fast enough, so they killed it off and replaced it with the 4.7L which was total trash.
@@loganl7547 Chrysler, in my opinion are, and always were junk compared to chevy..
@@dukeman7595 I hate fiat
Both engine architectures are absolute masterpieces Ford and GM should be commended for both of them however as you mentioned in a sports car app I would prefer the compact low low center of gravity style of the Lt purely for weight I believe it weighs a little bit less but the center of gravity is substantially lower and that is your friend when it comes to cornering and having a lower polar moment of inertia for breaking and getting back on the accelerator out of corners just my humble opinion
I'm definitely a V8 fan, without a doubt. Had a fastback Torino Gt with a 390 4spd sold it when I bought first house. Got rid of my '89 Gt 5.0 fox body a couple years later when we had kids and needed a family car. Been regretting this ever since, but I do still have a V8 truck 🤷🏻♂️. We also had a 5.3 LS in our 2002 Tahoe, but my son wrecked it🙄😡. I am old school, but I do love these new engines too. I've been wanting a new mustang for a while and if I had my choice it would be the GT 350 with the voodoo, even though the gt500 has the most horses. My neighbor just picked up one of the new Camaros and it's sweet too. You can't go wrong with either. I'm just glad we still have all these options. Hopefully we will have them for years to come, as long as the government doesn't ruin things 🙄. Thanks for the awesome video!!!
I like both but am GM at heart. The LS and LT are pushing 1500 with turbos on a daily basis with no issues.
LT1 & Done. That said. Both are phenomenal. Plenty of trouble lurks under both gas pedals 😁
I'm a big three fan and foreign engine fanboy too. That flat plane crank, may I have it in billet please?
I love coyotes owned a 5.0 mistang and now a 17 f150 im building. Its hard to beat the affordability of the LS, but coyotes are just as fun and make great power
The other great thing about the 18+ coyote is that you actually have double the fuel system after a retune, so you can supercharge/turbo them to a higher level without worrying about fuel.
Yes you are correct, the hulu or vudu or whatever did not win multiple races like the ls7 did back in the day in the 2 yellow C5's. Have fun affording a rebuild on the vudu engine.
love the sound of a flat plane crank w/ header's
Coyote Mustang drives past my house daily, sounds fantastic. I had a 02 LS1 w/ headers that sounded like a boat. A fast boat.
I'm a chevy guy but a Ford v8 sounds so much better. Had a few old school 5.0 ho fox bodies, shorty headers, h pipe and Flowmasters sounded amazing . The coyote sounds fantastic as well. I do prefer the low-end grunt of the ls
Yeah when they come apart at 8k rpms on the race track it sounds WILD! the bad part is how long it takes to clean up the mess... dang voodoos
Both engines are fantastic
I have had both, Love them both! Ford and Chevy fans should finally be friends, we are too similar
I’ve built both and maybe I missed it but the forged coyote internals are far better than the cast Lt 1-4 components. I found the coyote didn’t need internals to make the 800 wheel I was aiming at or head work so it was considerably cheaper to make the solid power I was hoping for.
🤣😂🤣😆😁🤣😂🤣😅😁😂Of course in the real world we make 800+ HP with the factory bottom end of the LS/LT all the time and have for over a decade. The Ford, OTOH, takes far more work to get those numbers and part of that work is always rods. But it's your fantasy, you live it...
@@scottysgarage4393 obviously you don’t do that work or you wouldn’t say something so stupid. Your saying a cast rod and piston will handle more power than a forged piece and a 2 valve head flows better than a 4, your backyard education is lacking.
@@scottysgarage4393 bullcrap. Typical Chevy guy talking crap
How much does it cost just to do a normal dd rebuild on a 5.0 vs a 5.3?
@@scottysgarage4393 Yes the proof is in all the Fords running around with a LS hiding under the hood!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😋😋😋
Guys/gals,
We must all consider the fact that we are living in a time where these phenomenal engines are being choked away by the government. Let’s all take a second to enjoy them and to make as much god damn noise with them as we possibly can. Cheers 🍻
Kudos brother! I cant stand all shit talk these electric car geeks talk about how good for the enviorment they are. Well in 50 years provided we havent whipped ourselves out with something! Id love to se them trying to rid the enviorment of batteries and acid & other crap in them ect,ect! Bye,bye water supply! Hello poisoned food. Hail to the combustion engines💪✌
@@mikeymike4329 honestly this, alternative fuels made using nuclear power are the real right track, put our motors on propane/CNG, alcoholic fuels, hydrogen, etc. We can still have them and make amazing power with them, but at the same time be FAR cleaner, and then there's hydrogen fuel cell cars, you can rebuild their parts when they eventually crap out at quite low cost, they have a very small battery, and they put out water, great for you everyday Joe who only goes a to b, meanwhile when a tesla goes out of warranty they all but force you to junk it for a new one, can't crush them though because then you let all the nasty battery stuff out and ruin equipment and possibly kill people. But no we gotta support Chinese lithium production that probably creates more pollution in a year than all the cars made from 1990-2000 that are still on the road have in the last 3, including those with removed emissions equipment.
I dont know there is something to be said for an electric car and going 0-60 in 2 seconds, thats gotta be fun even if it is mostly silent. You can ALWAYS be the first one off the light no matter what pulls up next to you!
@@AutoGuild *laughs in big tire*
The most significant post on here✌️
Surprisingly unbiased. Very well done and informative.
High reviving crossplanes can be done quite easily, it’s just that the cam profiles and cylinder head design makes them very lazy down low. Project spinal tap is quite a neat take on that very subject with the LS platform. The argument that pushrods and cross planes don’t like to rev was proven untrue 30 years ago. Modern spintron testing and camshaft development has made RPM even easier to achieve with 8000+ rpm cam lobes that are requiring less than 100 lbs of seat pressure.
What mag did you poach those lines from? One I wrote, perhaps?
It not done for the revs. It's done for the reduced rotating mass which allows the engine to change revs quicker and also the exhaust scavenging. A flat plane crank is typically much lighter often about half that of a cross plane. It's the same reason if you're a road racer you would choose a light weight flywheel, allow quick up and down shifts. It was a way bigger deal during the manual trans days but it's easier on DCT too.
There are some test where a Coyote crank was put into Voodoo and they made about the same power and torque. I think cross plane made a bit more torque and slightly less power, very small though. In terms of red line it's soft red line based off where the engine rolls over. If it's not a limitation of the bottom or top end in either case.
That's not true of the Voodoo crank and I suspect that it wont be true of the C8's new 5.5L. It's lighter but only by a few pounds because of the large displacements. Those engine are using flat planes mostly for marketing hype. The C8R engine is heavily restricted by rules so the production engine will make considerably more power.
@@aesir0784 Poached magazine lines? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm friends with Billy Godbold on facebook and I follow his updates on projects and tech talks. I live in the land of nascar country where huge cube V8's spend most of their lives at 8000+ RPM.
I remember when GM released the LS platform, Ford already had the mod motor, overhead cam design. Many said GM’s new engine would fail miserably by staying with old technology.
The numbers sold speaks volumes. Simplicity. Also, in the greatest country on the planet, it's an 8cyl fartcan hondezy. At the end of the day, when your laying down for the evening, it's still a ford.
Sweet dreams.
Yes, simple, cheap and can outperform even the "hand-built" AMG V8 engines.
In the early 90s GM had already tested with identical vettes but with one powered by a DOHC they had designed and then a newer version of the 350 and GM decided they still liked the low end torque and instantaneous power compared to the DOHC they had designed. They then continued to produce the same kind of OHV motors they always have lol! Cool stuff to check out if you are interested.
@@BIGEDSIK28 They did more than test a DOHC motor. They offered the 1990 ZR1/LT5 ("King of the Hill") Corvette. Not sure how many they sold, but it was a very expensive engine to build. It's amazing that GM has been able to build such venerable powerplants using OHV technology for so many decades. My hats off to them.
@@WhalerGA Oh yes I have heard of such a vette lol! I'm sure they only made just a handful and they are easily over 100k. Half of them are probably in Bowling Green! I've heard rumors of a new c8ZR1 with a DOHC TT motor being stuffed in it. Actually really excited to see it. When I'm done with my powertrain development tech degree If I get in at GM I will be in the R&D building, dynoing, in Milford!
For the future you have to include the driver and the car.That style and feel of the car will let people understand the driving style they are eager for
In your chart for the LS 6.2, the top HP should be 436 due the the NPP exhaust in the Vette.
Found this video by accident...very well laid out excellent narration...had to subscribe... keep up the good work...
Great video, so thanks for sharing. I have a planned engine swap from my LS3 to a larger displacement LS-style build. There's no way I could use the Coyote in my build for many reasons. However, I would love to split the difference and pick up the Mercury SB7 but unfortunately, those heads wouldn't fit in my vehicle.
You gonna bore and stroke it to a 427?
The LS/LT engines will be the go-to option for builders for years to come. As you've noted, the engines were made in huge numbers and their is tons of aftermarket support. In an OE application, I prefer the Ford engine for its sophistication.
LTs will be far less popular because direct injection only is disastrous for long life. But I'd always choose the LS over the Coyote for transplants.
So you enjoy pointless excess complexity? How odd.
@@MrMightyZ There are injector companies out now making big CC DI kits and stroked pumps like how the diesel boys do it. Tuning the stuff is a pain in the ass still, but getting better. You're better off with an aftermarket ECU and injector driver, but the stock shit can work too. The idea of fuel delivery timing isn't really here yet, but it's going to be a game changer. With DI, you can build engines totally immune to detonation because you can put fuel directly in the cylinder after TDC and intake valve is closed.
@@scottleggejr And I have zero doubts about DI being objectively more power efficient and I’ve seen some bonkers after market numbers but I’m poor so I value longevity and reliability above all else and DI requires to much long term maintenance to keep the headgear clean. Long term a DI motor can start behaving like an old carbureted engine. Rough.
It is interesting that in sport bikes, a flat-plane crank is the norm. In fact, Yamaha made a big deal about their R1 when they changed it to have a cross-plane crank.
It's all about application. I'll take the out of hole grunt and neck breaking torque of the LT for the street over high rev power of the cotote all day long. Now if I could just get a LT2 in a mustang. The LT feels like a big block.
Good video, the biggest take away here is the price. Ls, Lt far more cheaper to purchase and upgrade. Not to mention a more simple design, easier to work on. I feel ford doesn't leav much room on the plate for modding, they come pretty maxed out in my opinion. Both have there place.
I Have owned many of brands both over past 70 years and seems like GM bit the dust about 1980 . The 1960's and 70's when all the GM cars were different like Buick - Oldsmobile -Pontiac they seemed to be much better than ones built after 1980. The 327 was one of GM's best engines I Owned 409 -348-350 just to name a few. The Ford 289 -302 and 351 W were some of the very best ever built in my opinion and I have never got a dime from either Ford or GM just telling it like it was back in the good old days when gas was around 28 cents per gallon and we still had a little privacy. Thanks for the video.
I’ve owned both. The LS gives me less anxiety as it’s easier to work on and less to go wrong, but the top end power on the Coyote is addictive. VERY addictive! I honestly still prefer the SBC both for it’s sound and cost effectiveness. I can buy a BluePrint 396-454 SBC that’ll make 500-600hp for about 5600-9200 that has a 30 month 50,000 mile warranty. It’s fun to beat LS and Coyote guys in a 77 Z28! I think I’ll have one for my 71 Chevelle too!
I was always a Ford guy. The Triton modulars from 97 to 2003 were indestructible. But the 2004 and later variable valve timing was a distaster. It pains me to say it, but I had to buy a used Chevy in that era. The later ones improved a bit. But they still look rather complicated.
Why do guys with entire engine swaps like to “beat” on basically stock cars. I don’t think anyone would be surprised or care that your 454 beat a bolt on camero or mustang.
@@lineoflads1388Got em, that’s because they want to flex, like they are better than everyone else, they get angry when it’s a modified Coyote though.
I've owned 4 vehicles with LS engines. Every one of them got better gas mileage than was advertised, 2 of them MUCH better. I never understood why the GM engines weren't advertised with better mileage. I've often wondered if the same might hold true with the Coyotes.
EPA
I have only owned the newest 5.0 mustang but I get noticeably better gas mileage
So you drive them like an old lady.
The "posted" mileage numbers are from an artificial test devised by the EPA , and applied by computer on a complete car on a "rolling road"- chassis dyno. FR
@@korndawggy1801 That's the funny thing, I didn't. In fact, I had 3 quarter mile passes at a track on the same tank when it got 28MPG (while it was only rated at 26.)
From a technical stand point I understand the fascination with the coyote. However from a consumer standpoint the more affordable, compact, reliable, and aftermarket supported ls and lt blow it out of the water the best comparison between these 2 has always been dollars per horsepower and the ls and lt have always won.
I love my Gen 3 coyote, it revs to 7500 rpm & makes tons of power up top, reminds me of the S62 V8 in the E39 M5, with a lot more power.
With a tune you can go to 8200rpm, just don't bounce it off the limiter. Oil Pump Gears tend to not like the harmonics and bouncing back and forth. Love my 19 401A PP1 nom nom revs to the moon !!
Get billet gears and you could send it to 9k with no worries... other than maybe vvt issues....
@@Prestiged_peck and watch the power fall off... rpm doesn’t mean more power...
@@josiahvanopstal9435 Actually it does, but you have to tune your engine properly. Power is directly related to RPM. Torque x RPM/5252= HP
@@josiahvanopstal9435 if you set the vvt up right it can actually make really great power even higher, but all youd need is a mildly larger VVT cam and you could make a massive power plateau waaay up there.
Actually the area of the intake valves on the LT is larger than that of the Coyote. The Coyote provides 2268.22 mm^2 of area. Where as the LT has an area of 2290.22 mm^2
I was just thinking that 🤣💪 good call.
That would be true if the air flow went through the area of the valve, but the air travels around the circumference of the valve. An LT valve has a valve circumference of 339.29 mm. A Coyote valve has a circumference of 238.76 times two or 477.52 mm. Two smaller Coyote intake valves have 40% more airflow than one larger LS intake valve. The exhaust on the Coyote is 36% more than the 6.2L
@@ready4anap If that is true, how come the LT1 heads flow more CFM? 2014 C7 stock heads flow 295 CFM on the intake. The Coyote heads flow 289 CFM, both at .500 lift.
As someone who was effectively a GM guy growing up, and I still love a lot about GM engines, I am now a Ford F-150 guy. I love my 14 with the Coyote. Had it since new and it’s got 465,000 km on it and still running strong.
We are spoiled having so many great engines on the market, and that includes the wild engines in the Dodge/Ram line. It’s really a matter of personal preference but the engines are all solid.
I just prefer the styling of my 2014 FX4 over anything current or earlier (save for the exterior styling of the 67-72 GMC).
I feel like the coyote is just kind of the “option b” for the LS/LT. It’s just a totally different platform that provides comparable performance. It’s a pick your flavor kind of thing. Adds a little flavor and diversity to the market. I’m a coyote fan mostly because ford actually finally did something about their underwhelming modular engines and made some engineering magic happen.
Well the 4.6L Supercharged V8 only found in the Terminator Cobra is FAR from underwhelming!! Other than that you are absolutely correct!
I hated those old 4.6 and 5.4 engines. Constantly breaking down. The stupid cam phazers ruined thoes engines after the 2v.
@@daltex81
Ahhhh
The Cobra, Terminator. Nice
Underwhelming??
John Mihovetz has made over 3,000 hp from the older 4.6 4v utilizing the factory block and heads, timing components, factory Kellogg crank spinning it past 10,000 rpm and running a 5.88 @ 250mph from 281 in³. There's positively zero mass produced factory engines with that much OEM metal that's done that anywhere on this planet besides the 5.4L he also built in the world record standing mile ford GT that's similar in power and parts which it ran 300.4 mph in a mile...also unchallenged by any other factory powerplant on this earth. (The Chiron runs 221 in a mile)
@@codylapoint Those are some of the most reliable engines you can find if they're in 4 or 2 valve form.
LT has the nicer plastic cover over the engine. That counts ally.
These engine prove competition is good for engine builders, keeps them on their toes and we car guys benefit no matter what car you choose.
A lot of good facts here. Not so much on understanding what it all means.
The voodoo was so good GM decided to go to the same direction and use a dohc flat plane crank in the new c8 z06
Well let’s be honest Chevrolet already had a quad cam engine way before the vodoo it just wasn’t needed but gm will be producing 640 hp way more than the vodoo engine imagine that 🤣🤣
Sounds great and revs high, but to many complaints of oil consumption and engine failure. I wonder if Gm is copying or if it was in their plans all along… either way I hope reliability is better than voodoo.
@@MannyDelReal Chevrolet Didn't get the kinks worked out of that engine that's why they went away from it. From cooling issues to crankshaft problems. Most everything overhead cam GM ever did was crap. From the Z34 Lumina's to the ZR1. Yeah they ran but for how long? GM Is not willing to spend the time to figure them out. It's easier to add cubic inches to make power and that's just a fact.
gm did it for the rpm and sound. The vette has always been a sportscar and the top models have been easily in supercar territory. Ford is a mustang, sorry to say and its direct comp is a camaro. I cant see paying over 100k dollars for a mustang. Ford should take some tips from the engineers building the LS and LT's . As stated above, " No torque, no room in engine bays for it, its heavier, no low center of gravity for cornering, and 5x the expense for lower cubes and same hp. Give credit to ford on hp per cubes but it fails miserably in all other departments. Oh and poor oiling on mod motors where the pushrod oils fantastically
@@MannyDelReal if you're talking about the quad cam motor in the c4 ZR1, it wasn't done by Chevrolet. If I recall correctly it was done by Volvo or Mercury marine or some other company, def not Chevy tho.
Having lived through the '60's / '70's Chevy /Ford /Mopar fun, What I love so much today, is that we have such great engines AND great handling cars, that we can just buy and drive. I remember spending way more time under the hood and under the car working on trying to get every hundredth of a second off my lap and quarter times, and while I got the satisfaction of knowing I got the results from my own decisions of what to put in my engine / suspensions, I truly would have rather been out, driving my cars.
It's terrific that we have so many wonderful performance choices in such reliable, comfortable, beautiful cars. Progress in all areas.
But we only have so much time left, because as we've seen with the performance of the Teslas, all electric racing is just around the corner, as the internal combustion engines will soon be eclipsed by electric motors and batteries. We'll all be racing around in giant versions of our slot cars!
I think Ford added cylinder deactivation (not a fan of it on the GM’s, nor do I think engine auto stop/start is good for the engine longevity). Also, I think there are a few 7 speed manuals, maybe that was just for LS?
The LT1, LT4, and LT5 come with 7 speed manuals.
@@whatiwant8898 that’s what I thought, the video only showed 6 speed
Ford has had cylinder deactivation for awhile. Except with Ford its only used when the engine has overheated. That is why you never here about it from Ford.
It's nice to see the ford geeks finally have an option that isn't embarrassing...but none of these "advantages" mean anything to me. LS/LT is applicable to more people, more cars, more random vehicles like boats, helicopters, and airplanes...
These days you are really splitting hairs when you compare HP/gas mileage. The only question I want answered is, which one lasts, and which one is cheaper/easier to fix when it does break?
Agreed. I think they will all probably be "fast enough" (or quickly able to get to that point) and its a matter of reliability/fixability/availability of parts.
LS is more readily available, and most mechanics know them inside and out, coyotes are reliable as a 4.6 2V can be, but they make more power. The only problem is they’re more advanced than the LS, which means it takes a bit more experience to work on it. Agreed however LS works a lot more for random applications, I’m just glad to see Ford’s running Ford engines again.
The Coyote "should" outlast the pushrod engines due to the OHC design being more efficient, lighter valve train weight and DI and Port injection. An argument can be made however if the Coyote and LS\LT are both abused at high RPM's, the LS\LT should suffer less crank and rod bearing wear. But no way will a Coyote be cheaper (or easier) to repair. I'm a pretty good grease monkey and those things are much more difficult to wrench on!
Im a big chevy guy but man the 5.0 is awesome aswell. Would be more than happy to own either
I was hoping to hear more about failure rates. I briefly looked at a GT350 but the engine issues kind of scared me away. Also would have been interesting to include the 6.4 and 6.2 offerings from Stelantis.
I would stay clear of the VooDoo engine for sure.. ESPECIALLY if you plan on doing track days. Randy Probst (professional race car driver and car tester) mentioned how he was not a fan of the voodoo because they DO NOT handle track days well.. as in... they fail, in a bad way
Yep, not interested in the Voodoo, even if it sounds cool. I want a reliable engine that'll last a long time.
@@jasontk6968 - Any engine made to rev to 9000 rpms and have massive amounts of power/torque aren't ever going to be "made to last a long time" - Not one engine in any high performance car will last if driven as intended. The predicted engine "life" of a Ferrari or other exotic car engine is less than 60k miles. If I want longevity, I'll buy a Toyota Corolla.
@@pbaker7160 Well, the LT1 only revs to 6k, and it, like the coyote, typically last 150k+ miles. I don't think you're gonna see many 150k+ GT350's.
@@pbaker7160 here for a good time not a long time amen brotha
Great comparison between the engine builds. There was one GM engine that you missed on the GM side and should have been put in the specialty engine competition. The new "Blackwing" from Cadillac. It makes 550hp with 640lb-tq out of an incredibly small 4.2L V8 and can only be found in the 2020+ CT5-V (for now).
That engine is a DOHC engine. Not an LT.
@@bertouellet8090 Never said it was an LT now did I. 😉 The Blackwing deserves a mention because of how much power it makes for how small it is.
@@TheWolfMatt Not an LT still, you just watched an LT/LS .vs Yote video.
Smaller than a Coyote and lot more power! Someone gettin nervous! lol
31 year Ford mechanic told me an LS 6.0 5.3 6.2 or any LT engine same liter sizes would put double if not triple the miles on a 5.0 could ever do. He said he loves 5.0s the said it’s a much larger Engine but won’t out last the LS/LT line up.
Everybody has there options, had a 2018 Silverado with a 5.3 in it and it was a complete piece of garbage. No power at all, average about 2mpg less then advertised and overall just junk. Have a coyote in f150 and its night and day. As far as getting g miles out of motors it comes down to maintenance. Ls is a great motor and so is the lt but I own a f150 with a coyote and a boss 302 with the road runner version of the coyote and will put them up vs gm products anyday. Know plenty of mechanics that could give arguments for both brands
Hey can you do a thorough video about the GM Northstar engine?
Would like to see an overview of the 7.3 Godzilla, Ford block. Would be cool to see how it stacks up to Chevy and Dodge's large displacement engines. Its of similar design, not an overhead cam block like the Coyote. Its supposed to make crazy HP and torque with little modification.
@@Olds_Pwr That can be your little secret since you’re the only person alive that cares!!!!!!!!
Hell yes, now ya talking... That Godzilla engine has my curiosity up so bad
Just a small addition, the Tremec TR6070 (7 speed) is used on the C7 Corvette.
The performance records of the LS platform speaks for itself.
@NATHAN ENLOE It would probably be another 300 lbs if it were that big. 😅
@@TheWolfMatt Exactly, so the argument is pointless.
Plus the coyote parts are more expensive good motor tho
@@bryancaballero8113 It's been the one good engine that Ford has put together in more than a few years. Took them long enough.
@@TheWolfMatt too bad gm had to copy a Ford design to make a good engine.