My last good deal is : bought two more Chopard luc watches , one of them is XPS with the 96.1 movement which actually was designed by parmigiana. It’s very similar to some of the watch movements in this video. It’s my top 3 most beautiful watch movements. Chopard luc watches is like a secret garden only for watch lovers who understand, appreciate great horology rather than big brand names. And thank you for help me discovering the Chopard luc in ur previously video! Wishing the best !
Parmigiani! One of my favourite brands. As for people not liking the "Tonneau" shape, it should be stated that once it's on the wrist, the Parigiani Tonneau wears very comfortably. Also as an aside, this shape certainly has NOT stopped Richard Mille Watches from attaining the highest levels in price for their watches. Thanks again for another interesting & valuable video. You are certainly guiding watch collectors towards not only the obvous brands, but also those that have enourmous potential for the future due to quality & worth.
A couple of years ago I was at a Patek Philippe road show where they had the history of their watches, and one of them had pantograph hands. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you & yours, Take care, Bill
Dear Bill, I definitelly agree that Parmigiani Fleurier is one of the last great watch deals in the current market! I have been trying pretty hard to keep investing in my collection, however, the prices of everything went up so much that it became impossible to keep buying from some brands! I belive that you can still find great value for money on Chopard L.U.C, Parmigiani Fleurier, and a few really novice watchmakers that are just starting like: Felipe Pikullik, Aleksandr Nesterenko, Sushkov Maxim and HOD Russia! Merry Christmas to you and your familly, Fernando
Two brands I like, and I have mixed feelings about both. If they improve their line, there'll be fewer at good prices, and if they don't, they may be gone altogether! Merry Christmas and very Happy New Year! Bill
Great video Bill, I picked up the white dial metrographe for 5500 usd from the watch outlet, great deal for a fantastic watch. Parmigiani, Chopard, Bulgari, Girard Perregaux…so much value out there in the luxury watch market if you know where to look. Keep the great content coming and happy holidays to you!
After the stem broke in mine, I sent it in for service and overhaul, and it came back like a new watch. If you ever run into a problem with your Kalpa, send it to a Parmigiani Service Center. They do a great job, and while a tad pricey, you definitely get what you pay for....essentially a new watch. I recommend a service plus overhaul replacing all worn out parts and a lube job. Great watches ... I have to periodically get my FPJs serviced, and they too are expensive, but that happens with quality watches.
You're right Mahmoud, I usually don't use cut and paste like I did in this one but have text large enough to read. I will keep an eye out for that in the future. Take care, Bill
By the way, a potential great deal with real pedigree - the IWC pDa Vinci Perpetual calendar. I saw it as low as 7200, and it's a full perpetual calendar from Kurt Klaus. Insane stuff. I'm not sure why no one's buying those - probably afraid of potential service costs. And I suppose the round shape is less appealing nowadays? On a completely different side of the spectrum - though a mass-market watch - the newer Omega Constellations are underappreciated in the Western markets.
Thanks to Watch Arts and Sci I discovered PF and I’m totally pleased with my Tonda Metrographe. Absolute bargain. Before the Tonda I bought a Moser Venturer which turned out to be an outstanding deal too. Wish I could afford a Toric in white gold right now but that will have to wait for another time.
@@tockingwatches2377 I got my Endeavour early in 2020 and my Henry a few years earlier; very happy to see H. Moser doing so well, and even happier that I got mine before they shot back in price. High or low in price; they have always been very high in value. Take care, Bill
I've commented before, that Kalpa with the light blue dial accent, the one you're wearing is probably my favorite from your collection, there again I've got big wrists and it would look great on me 😁 What's up with the non-USA Order Policy on the Tonda Heritage @ 7:45 minutes in? Sales territory issue? Customs hassle issues?
J Tee, that particular site is for USA only purchased watches, and indicated that customers with non-USA orders are responsible for the taxes and customs charges of their countries. Happy New Year, Bill
If only I wasn't in Europe and had to pay custom/VAT/tax..... The Tonda 1950 with small second or Tonda chrono, my favorite mechanismes beside GMT/word-time, are the deals I will lose sleep over. Happy Holidays!
@@watchartsci My name does not do me justice anymore Bill. Not after covid!! I seen Tonda chrono for an attractive offer in Switzerland as well but in a covid world that is just as far.
I've noticed Jim ... not only are they higher, the exchange rate with the £ and $, make them even more expensive. I usually just give up, and then, out of the blue, comes the right watch and the right price. Just have to keep poking... Take care, Bill
It may be me (the "irresponsible" one) !! There may be many of us. I bought the Tonda 1950, 39mm, white gold, automatic, with a Tahitian mother or pearl dial. Can be worn by either gender and 39 mm is perfect for my smaller wrist. It's a superb watch and I am so happy with it. I like the idea of supporting the independent watch makers and I think you get more bang for your buck with most of them. I never heard of Parmigiani until I saw it on Bill's list of horology and then I went shopping. Thanks Bill.
So you're the irresponsible one! (There may be more than one!) Nice to hear you got a good buy on a great watch! I do like the 1950, and in white gold with mother of pearl! It's nice to know something about the watchmaker on your wrist... Take care, Bill
Another great video Bill! I'm hoping that there is still at least one more great deal to be made out there. If I might be so bold, I have a favor to ask of you. I really like the size of the Kalpa that you are wearing in this video. If at all possible would you tell me the size of the watch? I have been searching for a Kalpa for several months now and it seems all I can find are the 34mm X 41mm versions. I think that might be too small. I have a lead on a 37mm X 51mm, that was produced in 2008. I think I can pick it up for around $3,500. I'm also trying to find out if this is a good price for a 14 year old (2008) Parmigiani. Price information is very hard to come by on an older Parmigiani. In the meantime I'm still in love with my Parmigiani Tonda Metrograph. Thanks for any help you can give me. Best regards, Brian
How's this Brian? thewatchoutlet.shop/collections/parmigiani/products/parmigiani-kalpa-xl-automatic-mens-blue-dial-steel-watch-pfc123-0000500-hc1441 Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Thanks for the link Bill. I ran across that watch during my hunt. That dial is by far my favorite. Only 2 things are holding me back, no gold rotor, and I would really like it on a bracelet. The bracelet on your model appears to have the same bracelet that is on my Metrograph. If I could find a bracelet for it I would in all likelihood buy it. I haven't been able to find a bracelet, and if I were able to I would imagine the price is astronomical. As long as I know the size I can now concentrate on the larger models. Thanks for your help Bill, you're a lifesaver! Regards, Brian
With the new pf line and shrinking it's product line do you think buying a tonda gt as you showed last side at retail is a good buy? All gt are limited editions and not sure will make the gt or big date any longer.
Wesley, not at retail. Of course I don't buy anything at MSRP ... except my Habring2. Recently I read an article about naming products, watches in particular, and how important it was to have a name that's easy to declare like 'Rolex' and 'Timex.' Parmigiani Fleurier was singled out as a watch not doing well because, in part, it was hard to pronounce. I don't know if I buy that. "Voutilainen" and "Greubel Forsey" are two tongue-twisters and often misspelled. They could call Dufour's Simplicity, "Rumpelstiltskin," and it would have no effect on collectors' desire to have one. Here's one I'd get...the GPHG award-winning Toric Retrograde. The seller has put up a poorly presented example, but one that is way below the selling price. I'd offer $8,000 and make sure the watch went through the escrow process. www.chrono24.com/parmigianifleurier/toric-retrograde--id21422345.htm Good hunting! Bill
It's a real pity, I love the idea of the Kalpa, I just think it looks completely out of place on my wrist, in a way that, for example, the JLC Reverso doesn't. Parmigiani is one of those brands that I really like - but I haven't found anything that would really fit. At that price point, I'd be looking for something that has perhaps more elaborate decor, but it starts competing too heavily with other things in the sub-10K range.
I agree Guest! That particular watch won a Grand Prix award for calendar watches. (www.gphg.org/horlogerie/en/watches/toric-hemispheres-retrograde) If I didn't already have a Hemisphere, that's the one I'd get. Much better design than mine, but both are great travel watches. Take care, Bill
PF is having a fire sale on the grey market at the moment, i am tempted to get a Tonda 1950, Thanks Bill, hopefully they don't sell out top quick. Cheers, Abdul
@@AbdulRWatches Which grey market dealers? I don't really know the US dealer landscape, but don't see much that's all that great on Cata &C24. Apart from the chronographs that just don't seem to be in demand, and ladies' watches, unfortunately too small.
@@xMisterVx two weeks ago there were a lot of models including the Tonda, on Catawiki and Chrono24 as well. I would contact also Fridrico Watches, they have a couple of watches there as well.
Great watches for sure, from a watchmaking perspective. But, I think the brand languishes due to a couple of things. Firstly marketing - it's so hard for smaller companies to get airtime and raise their image (especially with a name most people can't pronounce - a problem for Longines and JLC too). While there's more people 'into' watches, they are mostly very brand (and design) conservative. Secondly is design - which of course is subjective. But there are a couple of cues that make the watches look very different to the (safe?) mainstream: They are quite large and they are visually complex - lots of curves, finishes and flourishes. If P could make a watch which was simpler (more boring?!) in design and slightly smaller, I think they could turn the brand around. They just need one hit...
Hi James you're right, Parmigiani Fleurier, while having great movements, a living top watchmaker and very high quality, just don't appeal to the herd mentality that sells watches. That should be good for collectors because the price drops and we can afford an excellent timepiece. Here's what their plan is to resurrect the brand: th-cam.com/video/EGKS9C_D9Iw/w-d-xo.html Take care, Bill
I have looked at PF watches for weeks and went to visit a dealer, tried them on and really focused on those watches because of great deals that could be made. I ended up buying a brand new Breguet classique blue enamel dial last October and it was near full price. The reasons were: I was fascinated by the dial and the hands, and the fit on my wrist was simply magical. In my opinion, when paying over 20K$ for a watch, there has to be something magical going on and that didn’t happen with PF.
My last good deal is : bought two more Chopard luc watches , one of them is XPS with the 96.1 movement which actually was designed by parmigiana. It’s very similar to some of the watch movements in this video. It’s my top 3 most beautiful watch movements. Chopard luc watches is like a secret garden only for watch lovers who understand, appreciate great horology rather than big brand names. And thank you for help me discovering the Chopard luc in ur previously video! Wishing the best !
Those are the best kind Taidou! Take care, Bill
Parmigiani! One of my favourite brands. As for people not liking the "Tonneau" shape, it should be stated that once it's on the wrist, the Parigiani Tonneau wears very comfortably. Also as an aside, this shape certainly has NOT stopped Richard Mille Watches from attaining the highest levels in price for their watches. Thanks again for another interesting & valuable video. You are certainly guiding watch collectors towards not only the obvous brands, but also those that have enourmous potential for the future due to quality & worth.
Thanks you Birdsong and your points about the tonneau shape.Take care, Bill
Outstanding watches .
Merry Christmas 🎄 Bill & family !!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year, Tim, to you & yours as well! Take care, Bill
Never heard of pantograph hands, that's really cool! Thanks Bill, happy Christmas to everyone 🎅🏻🍻☃️
A couple of years ago I was at a Patek Philippe road show where they had the history of their watches, and one of them had pantograph hands. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you & yours, Take care, Bill
Dear Bill,
I definitelly agree that Parmigiani Fleurier is one of the last great watch deals in the current market!
I have been trying pretty hard to keep investing in my collection, however, the prices of everything went up so much that it became impossible to keep buying from some brands!
I belive that you can still find great value for money on Chopard L.U.C, Parmigiani Fleurier, and a few really novice watchmakers that are just starting like: Felipe Pikullik, Aleksandr Nesterenko, Sushkov Maxim and HOD Russia!
Merry Christmas to you and your familly,
Fernando
Two brands I like, and I have mixed feelings about both. If they improve their line, there'll be fewer at good prices, and if they don't, they may be gone altogether! Merry Christmas and very Happy New Year! Bill
Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year!
Same to you and your's Javi! Take care, Bill
Nice video Bill. They look like good watches. Have a great holiday season. All the best.
They're really excellent watches; well designed horology and well made. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! 🎅Take care, Bill
Great video Bill, I picked up the white dial metrographe for 5500 usd from the watch outlet, great deal for a fantastic watch. Parmigiani, Chopard, Bulgari, Girard Perregaux…so much value out there in the luxury watch market if you know where to look. Keep the great content coming and happy holidays to you!
Hey Lix, thanks man! Very happy for that great deal on the PF Metrographe you got. Take care, Bill
And because you bought your blue dial Parmigiani two/ three years ago I bought a grey dial one, --- a fabulous watch. Many thanks once again Bill👌 🙏
After the stem broke in mine, I sent it in for service and overhaul, and it came back like a new watch. If you ever run into a problem with your Kalpa, send it to a Parmigiani Service Center. They do a great job, and while a tad pricey, you definitely get what you pay for....essentially a new watch. I recommend a service plus overhaul replacing all worn out parts and a lube job. Great watches ... I have to periodically get my FPJs serviced, and they too are expensive, but that happens with quality watches.
Bill would appreciate more zoom on the slides to help the reading of information, thanks a lot for another great video. Merry Christmas 🎄
You're right Mahmoud, I usually don't use cut and paste like I did in this one but have text large enough to read. I will keep an eye out for that in the future. Take care, Bill
By the way, a potential great deal with real pedigree - the IWC pDa Vinci Perpetual calendar. I saw it as low as 7200, and it's a full perpetual calendar from Kurt Klaus. Insane stuff. I'm not sure why no one's buying those - probably afraid of potential service costs. And I suppose the round shape is less appealing nowadays?
On a completely different side of the spectrum - though a mass-market watch - the newer Omega Constellations are underappreciated in the Western markets.
Always like the Constellations Mr. V. It's hard to know what people will like. Take care, Bill
thanks Mr Bill ,
My pleasure Mr. Saman. Take care, Bill
Thanks to Watch Arts and Sci I discovered PF and I’m totally pleased with my Tonda Metrographe. Absolute bargain. Before the Tonda I bought a Moser Venturer which turned out to be an outstanding deal too. Wish I could afford a Toric in white gold right now but that will have to wait for another time.
An affordable Moser and a Metrographe! You got the two winners! Take care, Bill
With the elegantly refined design language last year starting with the Tonda GT, it feels like Parmigiani is about to be the next hot brand.
H. Moser certainly turned around, and you may be right about Parmigiani Fleurier, Tocking Watches. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci I was fortunate to purchase three Moser pieces right as they began to hit their stride in mid 2020. I could sense it coming.
@@tockingwatches2377 I got my Endeavour early in 2020 and my Henry a few years earlier; very happy to see H. Moser doing so well, and even happier that I got mine before they shot back in price. High or low in price; they have always been very high in value. Take care, Bill
I've commented before, that Kalpa with the light blue dial accent, the one you're wearing is probably my favorite from your collection, there again I've got big wrists and it would look great on me 😁 What's up with the non-USA Order Policy on the Tonda Heritage @ 7:45 minutes in? Sales territory issue? Customs hassle issues?
J Tee, that particular site is for USA only purchased watches, and indicated that customers with non-USA orders are responsible for the taxes and customs charges of their countries. Happy New Year, Bill
If only I wasn't in Europe and had to pay custom/VAT/tax..... The Tonda 1950 with small second or Tonda chrono, my favorite mechanismes beside GMT/word-time, are the deals I will lose sleep over. Happy Holidays!
Yes, VAT is no fun at all. Well T-Nomad, travel to a better deal! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci My name does not do me justice anymore Bill. Not after covid!! I seen Tonda chrono for an attractive offer in Switzerland as well but in a covid world that is just as far.
@@thetravelingnomad6203 This pandemic has messed up everyone! I haven't traveled since 2019... Take care, Bill
You don’t see those discounts in the UK. I’ve been looking for a while. Preowned prices are good though but they don’t come up too often.
I've noticed Jim ... not only are they higher, the exchange rate with the £ and $, make them even more expensive. I usually just give up, and then, out of the blue, comes the right watch and the right price. Just have to keep poking... Take care, Bill
It may be me (the "irresponsible" one) !! There may be many of us. I bought the Tonda 1950, 39mm, white gold, automatic, with a Tahitian mother or pearl dial. Can be worn by either gender and 39 mm is perfect for my smaller wrist. It's a superb watch and I am so happy with it. I like the idea of supporting the independent watch makers and I think you get more bang for your buck with most of them. I never heard of Parmigiani until I saw it on Bill's list of horology and then I went shopping. Thanks Bill.
So you're the irresponsible one! (There may be more than one!) Nice to hear you got a good buy on a great watch! I do like the 1950, and in white gold with mother of pearl! It's nice to know something about the watchmaker on your wrist... Take care, Bill
i like that plaid shirt !
I have a lot of plaid Spoudaois! Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, how do i find these "GREAT DEALS" PF's.. any leads?
Hi Domi... thewatchoutlet.com ... Should be some deals for you. Take care, Bill
Another great video Bill! I'm hoping that there is still at least one more great deal to be made out there. If I might be so bold, I have a favor to ask of you. I really like the size of the Kalpa that you are wearing in this video. If at all possible would you tell me the size of the watch? I have been searching for a Kalpa for several months now and it seems all I can find are the 34mm X 41mm versions. I think that might be too small. I have a lead on a 37mm X 51mm, that was produced in 2008. I think I can pick it up for around $3,500. I'm also trying to find out if this is a good price for a 14 year old (2008) Parmigiani. Price information is very hard to come by on an older Parmigiani. In the meantime I'm still in love with my Parmigiani Tonda Metrograph.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Best regards,
Brian
How's this Brian? thewatchoutlet.shop/collections/parmigiani/products/parmigiani-kalpa-xl-automatic-mens-blue-dial-steel-watch-pfc123-0000500-hc1441 Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Thanks for the link Bill. I ran across that watch during my hunt. That dial is by far my favorite. Only 2 things are holding me back, no gold rotor, and I would really like it on a bracelet. The bracelet on your model appears to have the same bracelet that is on my Metrograph. If I could find a bracelet for it I would in all likelihood buy it. I haven't been able to find a bracelet, and if I were able to I would imagine the price is astronomical.
As long as I know the size I can now concentrate on the larger models.
Thanks for your help Bill, you're a lifesaver!
Regards,
Brian
With the new pf line and shrinking it's product line do you think buying a tonda gt as you showed last side at retail is a good buy? All gt are limited editions and not sure will make the gt or big date any longer.
Wesley, not at retail. Of course I don't buy anything at MSRP ... except my Habring2. Recently I read an article about naming products, watches in particular, and how important it was to have a name that's easy to declare like 'Rolex' and 'Timex.' Parmigiani Fleurier was singled out as a watch not doing well because, in part, it was hard to pronounce. I don't know if I buy that. "Voutilainen" and "Greubel Forsey" are two tongue-twisters and often misspelled. They could call Dufour's Simplicity, "Rumpelstiltskin," and it would have no effect on collectors' desire to have one. Here's one I'd get...the GPHG award-winning Toric Retrograde. The seller has put up a poorly presented example, but one that is way below the selling price. I'd offer $8,000 and make sure the watch went through the escrow process. www.chrono24.com/parmigianifleurier/toric-retrograde--id21422345.htm
Good hunting! Bill
It's a real pity, I love the idea of the Kalpa, I just think it looks completely out of place on my wrist, in a way that, for example, the JLC Reverso doesn't.
Parmigiani is one of those brands that I really like - but I haven't found anything that would really fit. At that price point, I'd be looking for something that has perhaps more elaborate decor, but it starts competing too heavily with other things in the sub-10K range.
The big horn lugs look imposing, but they are great on the wrist, Mr. V. They are a wrist shape when worn. Take care, Bill
Hey Bill, I found a toric hemisphere retrograde with a agenhor built movement on chrono24 for 10000$ us.
In my oppinion quite the bargain.
I agree Guest! That particular watch won a Grand Prix award for calendar watches. (www.gphg.org/horlogerie/en/watches/toric-hemispheres-retrograde) If I didn't already have a Hemisphere, that's the one I'd get. Much better design than mine, but both are great travel watches. Take care, Bill
Parmigiani is buying back stock so it will definitely dry up.
Glad I've got a 18K qualite fleurier at 60% off. Such a gem
Oh wow, Andres, I did not know that! That 18k QF is indeed a gem! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci took a chance upon Parmigiani’s former boutique in Miami was closing they were having some amazing deals
@@andresfg6788 I hope they keep their Service Center open. Has the boutique in Miami fully closed?
@@watchartsci yes. Unfortunately 😓
PF is having a fire sale on the grey market at the moment, i am tempted to get a Tonda 1950, Thanks Bill, hopefully they don't sell out top quick. Cheers, Abdul
Where are they having their fire sale, Abdul?
I'd be interested to know where that fire sale is...
@@xMisterVx On Catawiki & Chrono24, and a couple of grey watch dealers have also good PF stock.
@@AbdulRWatches Which grey market dealers? I don't really know the US dealer landscape, but don't see much that's all that great on Cata &C24. Apart from the chronographs that just don't seem to be in demand, and ladies' watches, unfortunately too small.
@@xMisterVx two weeks ago there were a lot of models including the Tonda, on Catawiki and Chrono24 as well. I would contact also Fridrico Watches, they have a couple of watches there as well.
Great watches for sure, from a watchmaking perspective. But, I think the brand languishes due to a couple of things. Firstly marketing - it's so hard for smaller companies to get airtime and raise their image (especially with a name most people can't pronounce - a problem for Longines and JLC too). While there's more people 'into' watches, they are mostly very brand (and design) conservative. Secondly is design - which of course is subjective. But there are a couple of cues that make the watches look very different to the (safe?) mainstream: They are quite large and they are visually complex - lots of curves, finishes and flourishes. If P could make a watch which was simpler (more boring?!) in design and slightly smaller, I think they could turn the brand around. They just need one hit...
Hi James you're right, Parmigiani Fleurier, while having great movements, a living top watchmaker and very high quality, just don't appeal to the herd mentality that sells watches. That should be good for collectors because the price drops and we can afford an excellent timepiece. Here's what their plan is to resurrect the brand: th-cam.com/video/EGKS9C_D9Iw/w-d-xo.html Take care, Bill
I have looked at PF watches for weeks and went to visit a dealer, tried them on and really focused on those watches because of great deals that could be made. I ended up buying a brand new Breguet classique blue enamel dial last October and it was near full price. The reasons were: I was fascinated by the dial and the hands, and the fit on my wrist was simply magical. In my opinion, when paying over 20K$ for a watch, there has to be something magical going on and that didn’t happen with PF.
Hi Pierre, perhaps magic is in the eye of the beholder ... Take care, Bill
I rather eat their cheese
Do you have any good watches, Spiro? What are they? Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci I love their movements and overall build quality is amazing but am not fond of their designs.
@@spiros2310 They're not for everyone... but great quality. Take care, Bill