REMATCH! | 2020 BMW S1000RR vs Ducati Panigale 899
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Y'all saw the first race between my 2020 BMW S1000RR and Evo's Ducati Panigale 899 when i was handicapped by the break-in period. Well, after I got the first service done, you KNEW we had to get a rematch in! Took a little trip to the Mexican toll road to go head to head in this superbike shootout. Which motorcycle took the crown? After this, I think it's time to find a V4, V4S, and V4R to run with ;)
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Motonosity dude went to ride now Georgetown those guys were awesome. Austin toll roads are a joke lol came down from Odessa. Keep it up!
Awesome man! Yeah they're super nice guys. Did you pick up a bike?
Motonosity Not yet we were just there for two days looking. We will definitely be coming back. I like Austin very cool.
Cheap fun 🤣 stop it
Motonosity, it seems like a lot of people can’t watch the video because it’s unavailable on mobile. Is it possible that you could fix this? You could lose a lot of potential views.
I heard the throttle only opens about 40% below 9k even at full throttle
I’m sure tuning it would correct that issue
And void the warranty
M Roy yet he does it to all his bikes anyways
@@mroy2443 no it doesn't, if you send it to the right shop they can't tell.
It's true they say, not the bike. It's the rider. I mean, you want to keep it at the right spot of RPM in order for you to take off.
That lack of power is ridiculous, that ECU needs flashing to get rid of that
There's more to it than that.
@@dionwilliams6841 Lol actually no there isn't at all. It is nothing more than a ECU tune. Next...
This is not a match. Try with the Panigale V4 R.
859 can work with a R6.
Gotta love when those secondaries kick in. Like you said I’m sure it’s nothing a PC, a tune and exhaust can’t fix.
Others have talked about this flat/dead spot issue. They believe it's part of what BMW had to do for emissions. Some have said if you do a full exhaust, no O2 sensor and delete the x valve. Most of the dead zone is helped. They have also said if you flash the ecu that will void the warranty. This is what I saw one 2 others channels last night talking about why they are selling their new S1000rr.
@UCl2yIlb0KLTQP4GcjRPf-qg nice! We do the kind of the same thing with our semi when we go to Canada. In a way. We have a ghost program that if they hook up to the truck it shows that we have governed the truck to 65 mph. Not exactly the same as swapping the tunes but eaiser for us in the semi.
@@meds4all thats... illegal...?
@@Shadowsoken some guys run dual a ecm, they get stopped they shut down the truck, flip a switch and go to the stock ecm. Learned the trick from a Canadian driver I use to run with. I haul superloads now, haven't been to Canada in 2 years now.
The dead zone is from the intake/throttle side, not exhaust. Need something like brentune to modify the ecu.
allot of stock yamaha bikes with exup (exhaust valve tech) have a dip arround 6-7 where there is no power. Maby getting an aftermarket exhaust would do dreams on the s1000RR.
It's a documented issue with these bikes and it's because of the mapping. Exhaust is a must tho! Just waiting on some more to come out.
@@motonosity Can it also be anything to do with the riding modes? maybe configuring one of the 3 exclusive modes to your liking and see if there's any improvement? The 44teeth guys didn't say much about it as far as i remember and they were in the pro modes for tyre tests etc
@@thbabni it's only an issue with the bikes shipped to the US from what I've heard.
I have a full exhaust and it's the same issue... Unacceptable!
Love your videos, thanks for sharing this one (I know it is a couple years old); can you briefly share your thoughts on which one is more ergonomically friendly? I am so close to pulling trigger on new V2 or a new S1000RR (once recall is over)...thanks in advance for your advise!
Love the vids bro 👍🏼🔥
Try Fujin Technologies out in Cedar Creek for dynoing. Really nice people, and only a 20 minute ride (depending on where in Austin you're located, of course).
Preciate it dude! I'll reach out.
Sooo, have you been there recently? Cuz it seems they're out of business. Their phone number is disconnected, they haven't posted on their facebook in 2 years and there are no new reviews since then either.
@@motonosity Oh crap. Sorry to hear that, they were awesome. I haven't been in contact with them since 2017 so no, no recent contact.
It says "video is unavailable on this device".....im on my phone.....as usual....wth?????
Same for me, major bummer
Came down here looking to see if I was alone, I solely rely on my iPhone for TH-cam
Why cant i watch the video on my ipad or my android, i wanna watch the video, i want a refund😂
Samsung same problem.
Wow LG here same problem weird
That little 899 does well against that beast! I know it's pre-flash but it's shocking!
2 sick bikes. Love the new s1000RR. Would love to run my F4 1000R with you guys. Cheers from San Antonio
You need an ecu flash . BMW had to comply with these new euro5 emissions .
Great content 👍 love this channel!!
Looks like it's working now? Can you let me know?
It's working thanks!
I'm stuck between this 899 or a daytona 675r as my bike upgrade choice... i would use it mostly for street and fun riding on weekends and nice weather, not my primary vehicle. Also like the idea of taking it to the track sometime. Alot of people are saying the 899 would be better for street riding because of the daytona's riding position but I love everything about the Daytona (except for the looks which the 899 wins in that department). Also not a huge fan of the 899 sound compared to the daytona, is this ducati just a much better choice than the daytona- would I get the daytona and regret my purchase because of how uncomfortable it is? Could anyone comment on what would be a better choice?
Just found your channel and I'm gonna go bing your videos. Also, I see that your in Austin, I'm also in Texas as well! Stay cool with all the heat!
Thanks a lot! Enjoy the vids!
@@motonosity I am enjoying my binge of your videos.
Its almost as if its asking
5000 RPM: "You sure you wanna go fast?"
6000 RPM: "You suuuuure?"
7000 RPM: "......last chance"
8000 RPM: "Okay!"
9000 RPM: "NYOOOOOMMM!!!!"
Yes, I have been on a Pinks binge for the last week. No, I don't see a problem with it
That's exactly what it's like haha
Hey @Motonosity for big diesel trucks it has that type of issue as well. so a lot of people just get the computer system on the ECU changed. Idk if you will lose your warranty if you do that, but if you want that's an option, so it fixes the low power output under 9,000rpm.
Hey, can you tell me how tall are you and whether the Panigale 899 looks and feels bigger or your s1k? I had the 899 but sold it because I felt like I was too tall/too big with 6`2" 185lbs on it.Thanks
Is there like a highway mode thats why its acting like that? Idk if its having that im just thinking
awesome video motonosity so what kind of bike you want to be riding next
Does your buddy still have his 899 and if so is he still liking it and was there any issues he had
There is settings on the bike. Such as wheelie control traction control and several different modes to open this bike up.
Hey!
Can you do an R6 and 899? :'D
The 899 is like Ducatis 600
@@henrymatthews9365 yeah you are right it is there 600cc
It needs an ecu flash and exhaust asap😂🤷🏽♂️
When you gonna do a top speed run?
LOL not being able to find neutral at the end. My bike is the opposite. I've got a box full of neutrals and it can be hard to find gears :(
Would you ever review a lightning 218
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I didnt relise you live on blurry street name!!! Haha love the videos!
Hey motto do you ever wheelie your bikes?
Sometimes I find Neutral easily on my SKR, sometimes, not so easy. 🤷🏻♀️. Fun Vid bro
Is your cam shift broken
My built GSX-R 600 does the exact same thing because of the degree that the performance cams are set at. Above 9k it immediately opens up and does not stop. It's set up for track racing.
That Valvetronic combined with traction-control, almost like they watched too many "when VTEC hits" memes before tuning the bike.
lol i thought im the only one who sometimes struggle to kick it in neutral,,
I Like your channel dude all the way from 🇿🇦
Our prayers have been answered 😍🔥
Can't wait for the mod
I rode a suzuki gsxr 1000 K5 and I don't know what to choose now? I like both bikes, but I have a dilemma: bmw s1000 or ducati 899? 🤔 I greet you warmly 😊
You sould do a wheelie vid
When are u gonna do your first mod on the s1000
Right after I get the bike dyno'd
How far are you from Mexico?
You aren't in one of the modes that restricts power right?? I am sure that isn't it but you never know. I asked about a full system and tune on my s1000R and my dealer said it only voids the warranty if that causes a problem specifically related to you doing that mod. It also helps to have a good relationship with them b/c they are the ones to submit the warranty claims to BMW.
For some reason it won’t let me watch the video on my device
Trying to get this resolved man. TH-cam screwed up.
Looks like it's working now? Can you let me know?
Motonosity works! Thanks!
You sir need to get in contact with BrenTuning to get a fix for that power cut. It's close to like a 60% cut on a dyno comparison.
vs r1?
enjoyed the video!
Good to hear bro!
AF1 Racing has a dyno. And the nicest selection of Aprillias
650ib did a tune on his M1000RR for this same reason (opens only like 50-60% throttle even if opened full throttle) who got back like 45hp in the mid range in all gears, u can find the video on his channel.
That dead pixel is killing me.. but great video as always!
Apparently the bmw has a technology called shiftcam if you google it there is a website called cycleworld that states " A smoother power curve is welcomed via the BMW ShiftCam Technology, which varies the intake valve timing at 9,000 rpm to ensure optimum power" Which might explain whats happening.
But that doesn't explain the dark spot under 9,000 rpm. The gsxr 1000 gets the VVT as well, but doesn't suffer at any revs stock.
The speed bug also sold the 1000rr and appreciates his suzuki more. (Also it's 50% cheaper)
Holy great balls of Llama those bikes are mental. And I love them.
Dude just a warning to blank out the street name at the very start of the video. I found your house on google maps in about 2 minutes.
kornboy22 Kind of weird that you did that but I understand what you mean
Are sure the flat spot is not because of the anti wheelie?
Why did you blur your eye
im really liking that 899 sound and look and uh i want it
Just stay above 9k rpm in whatever gear you start on. What speed are you on in 2nd at 9k rpm?
100mph 😂
Chris P if thats the case 100mph roll races 😂
Dang, that picks up brutally up top.
Sweet vid. How far are you from Mexico (miles)? Still hoping to see blue reservoir covers back in stock.
Is it not the shift cam tech
No
Have your tried revs in bastrop they have a dyno
Thanks for the rec! I'll reach out
No problem they are off 71 heading out to bastrop good group over there.
@@motonosity Yes! then we can ride out and stop at Fitties! the BEST darn breakfast tacos EVAR
Pretty sad my zx10r would wheelie 1-4th and that bike won't even lift in 2nd it only allows 40-50 percent throttle 2-4th on the new s1k
@Motonosity ask for Chris at Cycle Refinery. As soon as he sets his dyno back up in a week or 2 he will be able to tune and everything.
Use AF1 Racing's Dyno. They're across I-35 from Woods Fun Center.
For some reason it says "This video is unavailable on this device" when I try to watch it. But I was literally just watching it like a hour and a half ago.
Looks like it's working now? Can you let me know?
@@motonosity I'm on desktop and its only 360p
@@onetwoer I think it's gotta reprocess HD and 4k again. FML
Let’s see a track day on it at coda
93 octane in the US is about 98 in Europe. We used to get up to 101 at the pumps in Europe though, at least where I used to live.
Change the exhaust please
The 2020 RR is in desperate need for an ECU tune. For most bikes it is a nice option, but it is necessary for this bike. Brentuning published the stock map that show it to be extremely restricted on both throttle and exhaust valve opening to game the EPA regs for US certification.
You need to reach out to brentune. They are putting together first stage of flashes for the 2020 to fix the flat spot and bring the restrictions to what the Europe bikes are. U.S. restrictions are really rough.
Already got it lined up my man :D
If it's really hot outside it's not the best idea to do a dyno run. That's because the temperature of the air it's sucking in has a big impact on the actual horsepower the motor produces.
(Sorry if my English isn't perfect I'm from Germany)
I want to see a video of you getting really high in the rpms
Who is Killeen has a dyno?
There’s one here in Killeen, Texas called dynojet
I would love to see that video of R6 vs the S1000RR..
R6 as all 600s are turds and not worth the fuel. Lol
Oh shit you fixed it hell yea nice video naturally
What helmet is the guy on the Ducati wearing? It has the S1000RR colors. I need that helmet if i buy another S1000RR
:) it's a SHOEI GT-Air Journey TC-2, from about 2016 iirc so good luck finding one :/
Could it just be that the traction Controll is thing hard af to keep the Front wheel Down....
Somewhat reminds me of a 2 stroke dirt bike. Since you have to always keep the RPM high
Race the old R1
Ill make the trip to Austin!
Let's do it!
Have you thought about maybe the engine just doesn't make power down low? Just downshift to get higher rpm and the power you need if you want to accelerate. Am I missing something?
That's just avoiding the issue. lol I'm not just making stuff up here. It's an actual, documented problem. Brentuning themselves, one of the top S1000RR tuning companies, has shown that the bike is being limited in that RPM range and they've resolved it with a flash.
The engine makes the power down low man. Bmw had to limit the throttle under 9k to pass emissions. The ecu needs to be flashed to bypass and be at 100% throttle instead of 40-50%.
Motonosity okay I see. Didn't realize it was actually being LIMITED. Sorry
Other guys have dynoed it stock 206 at the wheel. You will need an exhaust and flash to get rid of your problems, moto cali,speed bug selling his
Makes me appreciate my cbr 1000 low n mid range.
Same that instant punch is so satisfying
Check out Bren Tuning. See if that's a route you want to go.
My ‘07 ZX-14 was like that, only 6th Gear had the secondary throttle plates all the way open, so I just took them out, then every year was “hold on for dear life”, not sure how easy that is on an S1000RR, but that’s what it is. Secondary throttle plates.
MAN that ducati sounds great. rip in the pulls though.
It seems like that isn’t some kind of error. More like a safety feature. But I’m sure a Ecu flash and retune would fix that throttle problem.
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You should do a top speed
Not true on the gas. Back home in Las Vegas some of our regular gas stations had 100 octane race fuel. That's what I would run in my superbikes and I used it once a month in my 17 Fz09
Bikes with little to no torque down low in the rev range are questionable for street riding. I prefer a torquey bike that doesn’t need to be rung out to get some decent pull out of it
Like an MT 07?
Ooooo is this going to be another skrr being sold soon after 1st service?!?!?
Nope
I hope he doesnt. Its such a great bike. I love my 2020 s1krr. Dream bike.
send ur ecu to brendtunning
Would a small person be able to fit on a panigale?
I'm 5'6 and I'm on the balls of my feet on a panigale
I'm 6'1" and my legs are really too long to fit comfortably unless i'm pushed right up against the back of the seat (which is sloped down towards the front) so yeah I would say so, maybe get it lowered an inch
@@orangemac I'm like 5'3 so how much lower should it be?
You should try 89 (or higher if you guys have it) Ethanol free gas. I swear everything feels better, even response. Bikes and cars. If anything try it on the fz. Worse case better range. 👍🏻. Interesting to see if you notice anything different or it’s all Psychological for me lol. Even my older cobra tuned for premium runs better on ethanol free even at 89 octane 🤷🏻♂️
You're just changing the Octane man lol. Every vehicle is tuned to a specific Octane. Nothing of what you said makes any sense.
I've heard alot of guys complaining about the 4 to 8000 rpm dead zone Some are selling theirs already
It hits full throttle when the v-tech kicks in
What is evos yt channel ?
Linked in the description!
@@motonosity ah sorry, looked at the description but didn't saw, but now I did. Thank you 🔥
I like the new BMW bike, but I am concerned about that lag at 9000 RPM that you’re mentioning. I hope you get yours fixed.