Hey flatlanders, I own both brands…on my 2nd BMW and my 4th Ducati. I ride over 20k miles a year…in 2020 I rode 32k miles. I also have boring Goldwing…yes, when I ride with my wife. I live at 9202 ft above sea level and ride a mountain pass for past 3 decades everyday. The Ducati always puts a smile on my face. The BMW is my daily rider and the Goldwing is my marriage saver.
I prefer Ducati. Everyone and their mother has a S1000rr, so I have a Panigale SP2. Same with a GS, so I got a Tiger 1200. All three brands are similar in quality, but Ducati has the best styling, hands down. And for all of you who say "I'll take Japanese", I feel you. I was poor once too.
I’ve loved Ducati since I was at school. Fell in love with the 916 back in 94 . I’ve never owned one until recently. I’ve just got a v2 panigale Bayliss ❤️
I have an S1000XR and Panigale V2, both very different bikes but they both have pros and cons. The Panigale is more exciting, quickshifter is better but the heat at low speed is unbearable. The S1000XR is fun, much torque for an inline-4, but it is a little to “sterile” sometimes
I just bought a 23’ Ducati V4 Multistrada Pikes Peak and plan on power wheeling all the way to cash my SS Check ! 😂 I do relate to the crazy uncle comment!
As a mechanic I'd rather work on a BMW. Not because it's easier, but the owners are usually not broke. As a rider, they both serve as crusher food equally well.
It's funny you mention that because my BMW dealer is also a Ducati dealer. I've been in there every other week chatting with the guys while I had stuff down to my S1K. And they say the Ducatis they get in fall in three categories: bought brand new from someone who has money, bought brand new with terrible financing from someone looking for clout, and the used buyer who brings it in after buying it somewhere else to have all the issues fixed. I will say, I've never had more professional and courteous treatment from a shop than from BMW.
As a former racer, I'd take the S1000RR for consistent and reliable scapel like performance on the track. Still love my 888 race bike, however need deep pockets to keep it running. Ride a streetfighter V4S on the road. Looking forward to my M1000R later this year.
I’d rather have my head stapled to the floor than ride a Ducati - because I hate pushing my bikes down the road. My present ride is a 1983 BMW R100RS (aka an AirHead). It has an air-cooled, 70 hp, 1 litre two cylinder OHV engine with a 5-spd twirler, three disk brakes, factory luggage and a beautiful factory fairing that is amazingly protective in rain. It is simple, reliable, super-easy to repair - although it never seems to break down - and it gobbles up miles at 100+ mph like a champ. It’s not really fast, doesn’t have riding modes or an LCD screen - but boy, is it nice to ride.
Shared with the Ducati Official Club of Utah 😂 Yes, Ducati’s are “just better” coming from a college student that’s first bike is/was a ‘20 Monster 821 Stealth (With my own money thank you very much 😂)
I got a BMW because when I was 17 and still living under my moms roof she wouldn’t let me get anything with serious power, she didn’t even want me to get my BMW with 650cc’s, and I don’t like mainstream motorcycles like Kawasaki or Suzuki, and the boxer engine really peaked my interest. At the time the bmw really fit my budget as well at $2500. It is a 1981 r65, it’s such a fun and comfortable motorcycle to ride I love it. Shortly after I got the bmw and a few weeks before I left for basic training I got an 82 R65LS as a project, turns out working on them is fun too, definitely a bmw guy for life but since I’m going to Italy next, definitely going to get a vintage guzzi and a vintage Ducati
My first car was 1989 Toyota Tercel that made 78 horsepower. 😂. But it stayed with me without breaking Dow until 2004 with 280k miles. No major problems, just routine replacement parts like water pump, belts, oil, etc. I gave her away to a friend, who drove it for another 10 years and added another 100k.
I think Triumph vs BMW would have been a fairer comparison. Both belong to the more refined end of the spectrum, are relatively reliable, premium and sophisticated. Quite a few overlaps as well: Tiger vs G1250GS, Street Triple vs F900R, Speed Triple vs S1000R, Scrambler vs RNineT... (By and large, I would prefer Triumph). Ducati is in a league of its own, perhaps better compared with Aprillia and MV
I’ll never forget after riding Japanese sport bikes for almost a decade I was finally ready to move over to the European market & visited my local mechanic to ask for his advice on which manufacturer to pick between ducati & BMW, my mechanic didn’t even have to say anything he just walked me over to the fleet of ducatis that where in pieces & needed major repairs and there wasn’t even one single BMW there, he said I hope that answers your question, many years later and I’m still a happy BMW s1000rr owner
Buying a BMW bike (talking about flagship, full fairing super bikes M1000RR, V4S, V4 SP etc) is the most sensible option as it makes the most sense on paper. Its a well engineered bike and it looks good enough. Ducati however has an aura, a presence and a feeling that just cannot be replicated by any other brand. Just as powerful, just as well engineered, but a little less forgiving and more character. To a passerby, an S or M1000 looks like "a sport bike" some may even confuse it for any other Japanese brand bike. The Ducati is immediately recognizable and EVERYONE knows a Ducati when they see one.
Desmo valves should be taken out back and shot alongside carburetors. You know this is true. You just don't want to admit it. The biscotti bois have you surrounded. S1000RR > V4R.
We have a group of about 20 guys that have been riding together for >10 years. It's mostly BMW S1Ks & Panigales, with a few Apes, Yamhas, Ninjas etc. We have not had a year without at least one Duc missing multiple rides (and sometimes the entire season) due to stupid stuff breaking. They are gorgeous to look at but you better have a backup bike. I say this as someone who has a 2013 HP4 which has never, ever failed and an RSV4 1100 Factory which, knock on wood, has been dead reliable so far.
I've got a 2014 HP4, I love it man and like you said I haven't had any issues out of mine and hopefully it stays that way 🤞. Have you done anything to yours, any kind of aftermarket?
Once upon a time I had a Ducati 996. Great bike. Except maintenance and repairs cost more than the payment and insurance combined... So you can bet I won't make THAT mistake ever again.
It all depends how you ride, I find the V4R too aggressive compared to the S1000RR, although both had roughly the same power, it is how it is delivered. Having owned several models from both manufacturers, I'd prefer the Aprilia!
@@alanbrown5593 At 74, I'll bet I'm a lot older than you, but I still ride my Ducati some 3000 miles each year. I don't find my 2017 Ducati to be maintenance intensive at all and the power delivery is plenty linear (but I don't have a Panigale).
@@rlsedition only a couple of years in it. It comes down to preferences and riding style. I preferred the 748 over the 996, reckon that the 1199 was pretty much spot on. I ran in my first S1000RR, in a weekend. Apparently I can do in a month what some do in a year 🙄 I'm looking forward to my M1000RR competition.
@@alanbrown5593 I owned a 748R for a couple years, used mostly for track days. Most of my bikes have been 750-1000cc sizes; I don't go for the fastest things I could buy. My issue with the BMW S1000RR is twofold: 1), the look, which pretty much just apes the Japanese designs and 2), the usage of a basic inline 4 engine, which I don't care for, though I've owned several over the years.
I am definitely a Ducati fan. They have the most soul and by far the best looks. BUT the S1000rr is much more manageable for the track and cheaper to fix if you lay it down…. So I bought both… V4s for the street and an S1k for the track😂🏍️💨
I have owned 2 Ducatis and 8 BMWs. No other make in my life. So I am the perfect dad-snob that Yammie is talking about. I have done 1400 miles under 24 hrs 2-up on a BMW in snow. So BMW is by far the most reliable bike if you take care of it. It can really go around the world. While BMW is the wife that will be with you till retirement, the Ducati is that hot girlfriend in a bikini that everyone else envies you for. The Ducati is the one that makes your heart skip a beat every time you see her. But deep in your heart I know the BMW and I are meant to be forever together.
The dealer service from BMW is quite better than Ducati though. My dealer phones me now and again out of the blue to just chat about my S1000RR and how I am getting on with it and asking me am I happy with it etc. A very nice touch.
I had a BMWF650GS (800) until recently and while it did everything well it was more like a sewing machine than a hearty motorcycle. On the other hand, my Ducati 748 was all dopamine and if I hadn’t sold it I’d be dead now. It was hyper-real; only extremes and I loved it more than any machine deserved. I can’t not say that simping about maintenance is the swan song of people in the wrong reality. Why own a motorcycle of any kind if fixing and maintaining it are trauma inducing?
S1000RR, its just smoother & more well balanced in all areas. Goes 185 mph in what feels like 10 secs on different gearing and a brentune, & slick mode haven’t timed it yet, will one day. Changed to the aftermarket headlights, added a mid pipe & exhaust. For a 2010 I bought with 23,000 miles on it for $7,000 And now having it today only putting another $2,000 towards it & its at 36,000 miles now still pulling strong. Id say for an overall $9,000 its a really reliable bike that still hangs with the other big named bikes. It has such great handling too, i feel better on doing curves with it then i did the 08 r6s i had before.
I have a 2022 V2 Ducati Bayliss, a 2021 BMW S1000RR and a 2021 Ducati Monster plus. If I had to just pick one of those bikes though it would be the BMW simply because its such a good all rounder. The other bikes are very nice too and by far the most beautiful but kinda niche in terms of overall satisfaction.
I would say BMW does have the adv market over Ducati. Ducati I’d say are more beautiful bikes while BMW has all the tech you would need. Comes down to what you want more engineering or art. I’d take either and as my next bike it will prolly be down to either a BMW or Ducati as both companies make amazing bikes.
BMW, just for its quality alone. Ducati's are cool and all but not worth the money. I want a bike to ride to everywhere, not shop to shop. But personally i would by a Japanese bike.
My local Ducati dealership charges $240 an hour for maintenance. Local BMW is $120 an hour. BMW charges approximately 2 hours to do the valves. Ducati charges 6 hours. Ducati dealership quoted me $2,100 to do valves & annual fluids. Used to cost $400-600. BMW, will do it for around $1,000. I simply do it myself. I know it has been correctly. Not difficult. They try to intimidate you. They make more money on maintenance than bike sales.
Always well said!! While the R9T is very interesting and has always had my eye, There’s a Diavel W/hard bags and a Panigale in my garage right now!! While the S1Krr IS my favorite in-line four, it’s the same feeling as: Gsxr, Zx-10, and Cbr, just quit a bit more refined….(Boring)
Your thoughts echo mine to a T. Except for the diavel but… test rode the s1ks at a motorrad day but the R9T was the one I really want. Felt the s1k were so refined they were too Teutonic; that is, so excellent they were boring without character. I have a streetfighter though so there’s that.
@@Rick1984FL I got the Diavel 6yrs ago and @ 5’4” the ride height was most welcome!! It’s the bike you take on long trips, errands and everything else! Handles all the naked bike hooligan stuff and more then enough power on the street!! What can I say, the only reason I have a Panigale V4s, is because I wanted one🤷♂️😍 It’s fast, gorgeous & loud, There’s no practical reason to have one!!
I would pick a `07 BMW K 1200R like the one Milla Jovovich was riding in Resident Evil 3... But since I am a Hardcore Kawasaki Boy then KLR 650 sounds a lot better as second bike...
i own a k1200r with a remus hexacone exhaust and 80000km on the clock. great bike with great character but also with a typical bmw-suspension which is very forgiving and keep the tires on the road at any time. thx to the exhaust it roars like a troll right out of lord of the rings.. never will i ever give this one away but i want to get my hands on a japanese this year.
@@bjorntappe4139 So could it be used as a occasional offroad dual sport? Mostly still plan to stick to paved surfaces and have my ZX6R `03 as daily sport missle but wondering how k1200r would behave on some gravel roads with knobbie tryes....
Ducati's have to constantly be serviced. Even if they have gotten more reliable you're still gonna pay out the ass for servicing. Ducati valves have to be serviced at least every 12k miles and they will consistently have multiple valves out of spec. Also the desmo system adds a lot of friction and stress to the valves wearing them down which just adds to that compiling bill. Sure japanese bikes suggest valve services every 16k miles but they seldom actually need adjusted and even if their springs wear out, theyre drastically less expensive than cam lobes and rockers. That being said its still a work of art and I want one. The new s1000rr might be soulless but its still a marvel of a bike. There is nothing it doesnt do amazingly. Plus the previous gen s1000 is still a rowdy deranged excitement machine while still implementing enough tech to keep you're body in one piece. It was the first real modern day liter bike.
No talk of streetfighters (especially that new M1R), comparing the Multistrada to the GS instead of the XR… two huge oversights that are just… lazy. I expect more from a self proclaimed expert yammy!! Still love you haha 😂
I prefer Ducati at the end of the day. But there is no arguing that BMW is leading the industry in technology. They have more QOL street features packed into their bikes then any other manufacturer. Let me see you set the cruise, warm your hands, see your navigation and browse your music playlists all while going 150 mph on your V4. Oh wait you can’t, but the S1K can.
The RC46 x 2007 RC212V is a very inspiring combination for Duc4ti apart from the NR. Duc4ti abandoned their original design such as the 851-999R in order to develop the design of 3 H0nda motorbikes.
I'm wondering why you didn't get into the spec's of the BMW K1600GT ? Is it because you prefer Ducati ? Probably because you haven't taken one out for a ride. The inline 6 has 160HP and will easily do 150mph, also the rear suspension is auto leveling. Make life a ride 🏍️
I have a 23 Multi Pikes Peak and a 20 R1250RT. If I want to ride 600 miles in a day I’ll take the RT. If I want to feel like I have a soul, the Multi it is.
In all these "Why I hate BMW" videos, I've never actually seen Yammie swing a leg over a Bavarian Machine. How about riding one instead of just trashing it, sight unseen?
Yammie, stop letting your bias put out bad information. The Multistrada V4 S (not an adventure bike at all, prove me wrong) starts at $27k USD and the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure starts at $20k (left out that $7k+ price tag like he pointed out on the R NineT vs Desert) with the HUGE issue here trying to compare a Multistrada V4 to a R 1250 GS when it should be compared to the BMW S1000 XR which weighs pretty much the same, has pretty much the same HP and torque, and comes in $10k cheaper than the Multistrada V4. They even look the same. You can't throw off road tires on Multistrada V4 and call it an Adventure bike and compare it to an actual Aventure bike like the 1250 GS. Yammie, you should know this... The Multistrada V4 is a sport tourer. For Ducati Adventure you need to compare the Multistrada V4 Rally which comes in at a whopping $30k starting price which is a $10k difference compared to the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure starting price. These videos are getting lazy. Like seriously Yammie, why are you trying to compare a Multistrada V4 to a R 1250GS when it clearly needs to be compared to the S1000 XR? There are PLENTY of videos out there comparing the Multistrada V4 to the S1000 XR. Wonder why.
My first bike was a Ducati and I had fun with it but I think I’m gonna get a bmw for my second just because they are a little more affordable for some of the best performance out there
Well said, you' ve got it mate. Never truerer words, and that's what most of biased nonsenses are all about : envy, only childish envy.! Ducati best of tops
As a German living in Germany I have no choice but so say....................Ducati :D BMW is just a fkin boring brand on its own. And compared to the most passionate manufacturer Ducati there is nothing what could pull me on their side.
I had a NineT. now I got a Desert X. Just because BMW does not have something in that category. I think BMW has better quality but the Ducati reminds me why I love motorcycles.
Yam gave me a hj. After rubbing it out, he took off his hat and glasses and proceeded to stare me down like a cat.. .. it was awkward asf, and somehow made me feel guilty. The shame lingers this day. I am forever changed.
I hate the sound of every Duc engine I’ve ever heard until they came out with the new V4, which sounds wonderful. Much prefer the sound of BMW’s boxer and flat 6. At least the new Multi has been offered in liveries with no red whatsoever, and I hate the color red like a Spanish bull. So unless I shop for a GS, in which case I might ride the big Multi, I’m otherwise a BMW guy. Just love the precision feel and slickness of the engineering. At my age, I hate “raw” and “untamed”. As always, YMMV. And now, try the M versions on for size if you want power out the wazoo. The V4 Streetfighter has company.
How about the bmw k1200r and k1300r 180mph naked sport touring bike one of the best bikes I've ever ridin and been on everything from Harleys to Ducati and I still love my o6 k1200r electronic suspension abs and 170hp from factory and it's still faster 0-60 then a s1000rr and v4 today
I'm not doing desmo service or the soccer dad vibe. Hard pass on both. Kinda like a Harley. I ride Yamahas. A Chinese KTM maybe? Certainly not a Triumph
whats maintenance like with these brands? Everybody memes on desmos and other ducati bs, but bmw also isn't cheap, right? Valvework on the boxers must be easy as pie, right?
(FROM GERMANY PERSPECTIVE) I prefer BMW: Facts: Its cheaper at buying Its way cheaper maintance Its technology more advanced in terms of Elektronik Its more streetusable and more comfy (I am 6,1 ft) Its way more reliable Personal preferences: Better Sound and Better look Especially thr 2018 model wir sc project Slip-On
It gets so tiresome hearing Yammie Noob bashing BMW's. For rich guys - maybe, but I'm not a rich guy. I bought mine used. 136 horsepower isn't enough on an ADV bike? Not enough for who? And there's a reason that Ducati has been the butt of reliability jokes for 40 years. I'm sure they're great, and I'm sure there are plenty of Asian / European bikes that measure up in ways that BMW can't. If I remember correctly, BMW outsold every other motorcycle manufacturer last year. Call it the fallacy of the marketplace if you will, but over 200,000 buyers, more than any other brand, think BMW is just fine. Wutever, dude. Your bias against BMW really does detract from what are otherwise some of the best motorcycle videos on YT.
Ducati are far better looking stylingwise but of the two but I'd take a BMW as probably more reliable. I would have any Jap bikes before either of them though... mainly because I'm not loaded. :)
BMW bikes are the most painfully boring thing I have ever ridden, the S1000R makes me feel like I'm sitting on a CBR500R, and you can tell how bad that is. Ducati, for better or worse, has not yet failed to put a goofy ass grin on my face every time I ride around on one so far. The Panigales, when they work, are some insane weapons, and if I ever become a track only bro, I'd probably snag myself a V2. But for now I'd keep my XSR, thank you very much.
I own BMW because it is bomb proof and I like to ride my motorcycles not look at them and talk about them. Also, I am not a poser looking to make up for something. Ducatis are cool. I need to own one at some point. But I will keep my BMW so I have something to ride when the Ducati breaks down
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Hey flatlanders, I own both brands…on my 2nd BMW and my 4th Ducati. I ride over 20k miles a year…in 2020 I rode 32k miles. I also have boring Goldwing…yes, when I ride with my wife. I live at 9202 ft above sea level and ride a mountain pass for past 3 decades everyday. The Ducati always puts a smile on my face. The BMW is my daily rider and the Goldwing is my marriage saver.
I prefer Ducati. Everyone and their mother has a S1000rr, so I have a Panigale SP2. Same with a GS, so I got a Tiger 1200. All three brands are similar in quality, but Ducati has the best styling, hands down. And for all of you who say "I'll take Japanese", I feel you. I was poor once too.
Ha ha ha.
imma be honest i just dont like how the ducati sound.
😂😂😂😂😂
I'd love a V4 panigale. I'd probably never ride it to make it worth buying tho.
Actually, I would prefer the MV Agusta over the Ducati :)
I’ve loved Ducati since I was at school. Fell in love with the 916 back in 94 . I’ve never owned one until recently. I’ve just got a v2 panigale Bayliss ❤️
I have 2022 bayliss, your right, gotta love Ducati.
I went to buy a Bayless and chickened out. I really like the 996 so I purchased one of them for $6000 with street and race body work
Yamster, how much Biscotti did Ducati bribe you with this time? 😂 Good video my guy!
i think Ducati is better don't you agree?
@@fqeagles21 definitely better looking… I will give them the styling edge all day!
We don’t need to talk about how much biscotti was exchanged…. Just know that what Yammie’s saying is factual ❤️😂
I have an S1000XR and Panigale V2, both very different bikes but they both have pros and cons. The Panigale is more exciting, quickshifter is better but the heat at low speed is unbearable. The S1000XR is fun, much torque for an inline-4, but it is a little to “sterile” sometimes
I have one of both, both have great qualities: my Panigale V4 excites me more, but my K1200S just seems unstoppable on long distances.
I just bought a 23’ Ducati V4 Multistrada Pikes Peak and plan on power wheeling all the way to cash my SS Check ! 😂 I do relate to the crazy uncle comment!
As a mechanic I'd rather work on a BMW. Not because it's easier, but the owners are usually not broke. As a rider, they both serve as crusher food equally well.
It's funny you mention that because my BMW dealer is also a Ducati dealer. I've been in there every other week chatting with the guys while I had stuff down to my S1K. And they say the Ducatis they get in fall in three categories: bought brand new from someone who has money, bought brand new with terrible financing from someone looking for clout, and the used buyer who brings it in after buying it somewhere else to have all the issues fixed. I will say, I've never had more professional and courteous treatment from a shop than from BMW.
As a former racer, I'd take the S1000RR for consistent and reliable scapel like performance on the track. Still love my 888 race bike, however need deep pockets to keep it running. Ride a streetfighter V4S on the road. Looking forward to my M1000R later this year.
Broooo...the m1r is STUPID. I was on team super duke but I dunno....I'm riding an 890 duke now. Love it buy I'll probably go up before too long.
@@nickmcalpin10 idk what ur saying lol. Are u a racer or just saying u like super duke haha
love how this video is just yam simping for Ducati and making the dad's cry
Love every boxer twin I've ever had. It really does sound beautiful to me.
I’d rather have my head stapled to the floor than ride a Ducati - because I hate pushing my bikes down the road.
My present ride is a 1983 BMW R100RS (aka an AirHead). It has an air-cooled, 70 hp, 1 litre two cylinder OHV engine with a 5-spd twirler, three disk brakes, factory luggage and a beautiful factory fairing that is amazingly protective in rain. It is simple, reliable, super-easy to repair - although it never seems to break down - and it gobbles up miles at 100+ mph like a champ. It’s not really fast, doesn’t have riding modes or an LCD screen - but boy, is it nice to ride.
Shared with the Ducati Official Club of Utah 😂 Yes, Ducati’s are “just better” coming from a college student that’s first bike is/was a ‘20 Monster 821 Stealth (With my own money thank you very much 😂)
BMW. The Italians can appoint a car’s interior better than most, but give me that good old German engineering. Totally love my R18 TC. 😎
I got a BMW because when I was 17 and still living under my moms roof she wouldn’t let me get anything with serious power, she didn’t even want me to get my BMW with 650cc’s, and I don’t like mainstream motorcycles like Kawasaki or Suzuki, and the boxer engine really peaked my interest. At the time the bmw really fit my budget as well at $2500. It is a 1981 r65, it’s such a fun and comfortable motorcycle to ride I love it. Shortly after I got the bmw and a few weeks before I left for basic training I got an 82 R65LS as a project, turns out working on them is fun too, definitely a bmw guy for life but since I’m going to Italy next, definitely going to get a vintage guzzi and a vintage Ducati
3:55 that front brake looks really safe :)
braking is fear :P
I have a BMW R1200GS and a Ducati Diavel 1260s.
Peak dad energy.
Cracks me up how many times “s1000rr” was said when the m1000rr was shown
My first car was 1989 Toyota Tercel that made 78 horsepower. 😂. But it stayed with me without breaking Dow until 2004 with 280k miles. No major problems, just routine replacement parts like water pump, belts, oil, etc. I gave her away to a friend, who drove it for another 10 years and added another 100k.
Currently have a 2001 Ducati Monster 900S i.e.
Hope to add more to the stable.
Loved my 1150gs never got the magic right in the newer bikes.
I think Triumph vs BMW would have been a fairer comparison. Both belong to the more refined end of the spectrum, are relatively reliable, premium and sophisticated. Quite a few overlaps as well: Tiger vs G1250GS, Street Triple vs F900R, Speed Triple vs S1000R, Scrambler vs RNineT... (By and large, I would prefer Triumph). Ducati is in a league of its own, perhaps better compared with Aprillia and MV
Triumph is great for modern classics and their own unique machines. But they dont make an S1000RR. S1000RR is no less of a league than a Panigale.
I like the way my Ducati makes me feel. I have a sled. It makes me feel younger again because it reminds me of the bikes I rode then.
I’ll never forget after riding Japanese sport bikes for almost a decade I was finally ready to move over to the European market & visited my local mechanic to ask for his advice on which manufacturer to pick between ducati & BMW, my mechanic didn’t even have to say anything he just walked me over to the fleet of ducatis that where in pieces & needed major repairs and there wasn’t even one single BMW there, he said I hope that answers your question, many years later and I’m still a happy BMW s1000rr owner
Buying a BMW bike (talking about flagship, full fairing super bikes M1000RR, V4S, V4 SP etc) is the most sensible option as it makes the most sense on paper. Its a well engineered bike and it looks good enough. Ducati however has an aura, a presence and a feeling that just cannot be replicated by any other brand. Just as powerful, just as well engineered, but a little less forgiving and more character. To a passerby, an S or M1000 looks like "a sport bike" some may even confuse it for any other Japanese brand bike. The Ducati is immediately recognizable and EVERYONE knows a Ducati when they see one.
BMW 1250 GSA rider here. And yeah. A dad. Love the roast. And love my bike and what I can do with it. And that’s what it’s all about 😉
Desmo valves should be taken out back and shot alongside carburetors.
You know this is true. You just don't want to admit it. The biscotti bois have you surrounded.
S1000RR > V4R.
We have a group of about 20 guys that have been riding together for >10 years. It's mostly BMW S1Ks & Panigales, with a few Apes, Yamhas, Ninjas etc. We have not had a year without at least one Duc missing multiple rides (and sometimes the entire season) due to stupid stuff breaking. They are gorgeous to look at but you better have a backup bike. I say this as someone who has a 2013 HP4 which has never, ever failed and an RSV4 1100 Factory which, knock on wood, has been dead reliable so far.
*but also look like 90s bikes…just sayin
I've got a 2014 HP4, I love it man and like you said I haven't had any issues out of mine and hopefully it stays that way 🤞.
Have you done anything to yours, any kind of aftermarket?
@@mechveteran01 I put on an Alpha Racing link pipe, some Thyssen Krupp carbon wheels and cosmetic stuff (luimoto seatcover, lever guards, etc).
@@jah280 nice!
S1000XR vs Multistrada is where it's at.
Once upon a time I had a Ducati 996. Great bike. Except maintenance and repairs cost more than the payment and insurance combined... So you can bet I won't make THAT mistake ever again.
You should get yourself a 999. The testastretta is very reliable.
@@EdTrollington Currently on an MV Agusta Brutale 800 RC. Number 091 of 350.
I just bought a 996 from a friend from my dad. Got an amazing deal on it but this is not motivating for my riding future :')
Ducati bikes are far different now than back in the '90s, requiring far less maintenance.
Don’t compare old Ducatis to current Vtwins or V4.
It all depends how you ride, I find the V4R too aggressive compared to the S1000RR, although both had roughly the same power, it is how it is delivered. Having owned several models from both manufacturers, I'd prefer the Aprilia!
The V4R is a track bike. Period.
@@rlsedition It is the way the torque rather power is delivered, I find the bmw more linear and consequently easier to use, but I'm old now.
@@alanbrown5593 At 74, I'll bet I'm a lot older than you, but I still ride my Ducati some 3000 miles each year. I don't find my 2017 Ducati to be maintenance intensive at all and the power delivery is plenty linear (but I don't have a Panigale).
@@rlsedition only a couple of years in it. It comes down to preferences and riding style. I preferred the 748 over the 996, reckon that the 1199 was pretty much spot on. I ran in my first S1000RR, in a weekend. Apparently I can do in a month what some do in a year 🙄 I'm looking forward to my M1000RR competition.
@@alanbrown5593 I owned a 748R for a couple years, used mostly for track days. Most of my bikes have been 750-1000cc sizes; I don't go for the fastest things I could buy. My issue with the BMW S1000RR is twofold: 1), the look, which pretty much just apes the Japanese designs and 2), the usage of a basic inline 4 engine, which I don't care for, though I've owned several over the years.
I am definitely a Ducati fan. They have the most soul and by far the best looks. BUT the S1000rr is much more manageable for the track and cheaper to fix if you lay it down…. So I bought both… V4s for the street and an S1k for the track😂🏍️💨
I got 15 different bikes 😎😂😂
“so I bought both” what a man😂
hahaha
I have owned 2 Ducatis and 8 BMWs. No other make in my life. So I am the perfect dad-snob that Yammie is talking about. I have done 1400 miles under 24 hrs 2-up on a BMW in snow. So BMW is by far the most reliable bike if you take care of it. It can really go around the world. While BMW is the wife that will be with you till retirement, the Ducati is that hot girlfriend in a bikini that everyone else envies you for. The Ducati is the one that makes your heart skip a beat every time you see her. But deep in your heart I know the BMW and I are meant to be forever together.
@@edwinjoseph2163 stop generalizing. Could be a woman lol
The dealer service from BMW is quite better than Ducati though. My dealer phones me now and again out of the blue to just chat about my S1000RR and how I am getting on with it and asking me am I happy with it etc. A very nice touch.
I’m not a Ducati guy but I think the Sport 1000S (not mentioned) is the most beautiful moto of all time.
That’s the one with the fairing
I had a BMWF650GS (800) until recently and while it did everything well it was more like a sewing machine than a hearty motorcycle. On the other hand, my Ducati 748 was all dopamine and if I hadn’t sold it I’d be dead now. It was hyper-real; only extremes and I loved it more than any machine deserved. I can’t not say that simping about maintenance is the swan song of people in the wrong reality. Why own a motorcycle of any kind if fixing and maintaining it are trauma inducing?
S1000RR, its just smoother & more well balanced in all areas.
Goes 185 mph in what feels like 10 secs on different gearing and a brentune, & slick mode haven’t timed it yet, will one day. Changed to the aftermarket headlights, added a mid pipe & exhaust. For a 2010 I bought with 23,000 miles on it for $7,000
And now having it today only putting another $2,000 towards it & its at 36,000 miles now still pulling strong. Id say for an overall $9,000 its a really reliable bike that still hangs with the other big named bikes. It has such great handling too, i feel better on doing curves with it then i did the 08 r6s i had before.
holy crap a 2010 s1k for only 7 grand? this must be in like kansas
@@ToxicFlame2014 Georgia
Had the Ducati panigale and burned my nuts off but what a ride. Bought the bmw and just love the ride.
I have a 2022 V2 Ducati Bayliss, a 2021 BMW S1000RR and a 2021 Ducati Monster plus. If I had to just pick one of those bikes though it would be the BMW simply because its such a good all rounder. The other bikes are very nice too and by far the most beautiful but kinda niche in terms of overall satisfaction.
I would say BMW does have the adv market over Ducati. Ducati I’d say are more beautiful bikes while BMW has all the tech you would need. Comes down to what you want more engineering or art. I’d take either and as my next bike it will prolly be down to either a BMW or Ducati as both companies make amazing bikes.
I've owned and enjoyed both brands. Gotta say the Ducatis, for my money and life, were more fun.
What bikes did you own?
I own both. Love them equally 🎉
I’ve had both, and you can’t go wrong with either one.
BMW, just for its quality alone. Ducati's are cool and all but not worth the money. I want a bike to ride to everywhere, not shop to shop. But personally i would by a Japanese bike.
The 899 panigale stole my heart and money years ago
How has it been? About how much money in maintenance a year? I ask because i'm working towards a v2
My local Ducati dealership charges $240 an hour for maintenance.
Local BMW is $120 an hour.
BMW charges approximately 2 hours to do the valves.
Ducati charges 6 hours.
Ducati dealership quoted me $2,100 to do valves & annual fluids. Used to cost $400-600.
BMW, will do it for around $1,000.
I simply do it myself. I know it has been correctly. Not difficult. They try to intimidate you. They make more money on maintenance than bike sales.
Actually I would love one of those bicycles with a small put put on it.
It’s battle of the Germans, BMW vs Volkswagen Audi.
1st // I Prefer my Triumth
I love my Scrambler 1100 Tribute Pro and am looking forward to starting my climb up the Ducati Panigale models ladder.
One day V4R. One day. 🤩🤤😎
Always well said!! While the R9T is very interesting and has always had my eye, There’s a Diavel W/hard bags and a Panigale in my garage right now!!
While the S1Krr IS my favorite in-line four, it’s the same feeling as: Gsxr, Zx-10, and Cbr, just quit a bit more refined….(Boring)
* R nineT
@@thedownwardmachine
Lol😂
Your thoughts echo mine to a T. Except for the diavel but… test rode the s1ks at a motorrad day but the R9T was the one I really want. Felt the s1k were so refined they were too Teutonic; that is, so excellent they were boring without character.
I have a streetfighter though so there’s that.
@@Rick1984FL
I got the Diavel 6yrs ago and @ 5’4” the ride height was most welcome!! It’s the bike you take on long trips, errands and everything else!
Handles all the naked bike hooligan stuff and more then enough power on the street!!
What can I say, the only reason I have a Panigale V4s, is because I wanted one🤷♂️😍
It’s fast, gorgeous & loud, There’s no practical reason to have one!!
Can you prefer something you never rode before?🤔
Man, this comparison - though I’m more of a Ducati fan - was annoyingly biased
I would pick a `07 BMW K 1200R like the one Milla Jovovich was riding in Resident Evil 3... But since I am a Hardcore Kawasaki Boy then KLR 650 sounds a lot better as second bike...
and a `04 Ducati 996 to keep in the bedroom for some fun private stuff
i own a k1200r with a remus hexacone exhaust and 80000km on the clock. great bike with great character but also with a typical bmw-suspension which is very forgiving and keep the tires on the road at any time. thx to the exhaust it roars like a troll right out of lord of the rings.. never will i ever give this one away but i want to get my hands on a japanese this year.
@@bjorntappe4139 So could it be used as a occasional offroad dual sport? Mostly still plan to stick to paved surfaces and have my ZX6R `03 as daily sport missle but wondering how k1200r would behave on some gravel roads with knobbie tryes....
@@NinjaZX666R Not even close to a dual Sport. Just pavement.
Thanks!
No 6-cylinder soundtrack from Ducati though. The K1600GTL is justified in my books for one thing and one thing only. The Inline 6-cylinder soundtrack.
Ducati's have to constantly be serviced. Even if they have gotten more reliable you're still gonna pay out the ass for servicing. Ducati valves have to be serviced at least every 12k miles and they will consistently have multiple valves out of spec. Also the desmo system adds a lot of friction and stress to the valves wearing them down which just adds to that compiling bill. Sure japanese bikes suggest valve services every 16k miles but they seldom actually need adjusted and even if their springs wear out, theyre drastically less expensive than cam lobes and rockers. That being said its still a work of art and I want one. The new s1000rr might be soulless but its still a marvel of a bike. There is nothing it doesnt do amazingly. Plus the previous gen s1000 is still a rowdy deranged excitement machine while still implementing enough tech to keep you're body in one piece. It was the first real modern day liter bike.
To be safe I prefer both :)
Love my G310R. For my old ass it's way more comfy than anything from XTM or the Japanese bikes.
No talk of streetfighters (especially that new M1R), comparing the Multistrada to the GS instead of the XR… two huge oversights that are just… lazy. I expect more from a self proclaimed expert yammy!! Still love you haha 😂
U were compering the wrong bikes you should compete the monster with the rninti and the bmw xr to the multistarda other than that agreed
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I'll take neither, thank you. Been there, done it. I'll stick with the Asian variety.
I prefer Ducati at the end of the day. But there is no arguing that BMW is leading the industry in technology. They have more QOL street features packed into their bikes then any other manufacturer. Let me see you set the cruise, warm your hands, see your navigation and browse your music playlists all while going 150 mph on your V4. Oh wait you can’t, but the S1K can.
The RC46 x 2007 RC212V is a very inspiring combination for Duc4ti apart from the NR. Duc4ti abandoned their original design such as the 851-999R in order to develop the design of 3 H0nda motorbikes.
why I have a Panigale V2 and a BMW 1200 GSA. The only thing I really hate about the Ducati is the insurance costs!
I'm wondering why you didn't get into the spec's of the BMW K1600GT ? Is it because you prefer Ducati ?
Probably because you haven't taken one out for a ride.
The inline 6 has 160HP and will easily do 150mph, also the rear suspension is auto leveling.
Make life a ride 🏍️
I have a 23 Multi Pikes Peak and a 20 R1250RT. If I want to ride 600 miles in a day I’ll take the RT. If I want to feel like I have a soul, the Multi it is.
I just bought a new PP too! Spring can’t come soon enough!
Rear view mirrors on my Fireblade love both.
In all these "Why I hate BMW" videos, I've never actually seen Yammie swing a leg over a Bavarian Machine. How about riding one instead of just trashing it, sight unseen?
All I could think about the whole time was a Aprilia RSV4 factory Trenta 🤷
Test rode the s1000s and ended up with a streetfighter sooooo I guess it’s evident where I lay
Next make Aprilia vs Triumph.
Oh god I just realised, I’m not any kind of ADV dad, I’m a super sports squid dad 😅😂
Yammie, stop letting your bias put out bad information. The Multistrada V4 S (not an adventure bike at all, prove me wrong) starts at $27k USD and the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure starts at $20k (left out that $7k+ price tag like he pointed out on the R NineT vs Desert) with the HUGE issue here trying to compare a Multistrada V4 to a R 1250 GS when it should be compared to the BMW S1000 XR which weighs pretty much the same, has pretty much the same HP and torque, and comes in $10k cheaper than the Multistrada V4. They even look the same. You can't throw off road tires on Multistrada V4 and call it an Adventure bike and compare it to an actual Aventure bike like the 1250 GS. Yammie, you should know this...
The Multistrada V4 is a sport tourer. For Ducati Adventure you need to compare the Multistrada V4 Rally which comes in at a whopping $30k starting price which is a $10k difference compared to the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure starting price. These videos are getting lazy. Like seriously Yammie, why are you trying to compare a Multistrada V4 to a R 1250GS when it clearly needs to be compared to the S1000 XR? There are PLENTY of videos out there comparing the Multistrada V4 to the S1000 XR. Wonder why.
As v2 panigale owner its got to be Ducati for me.
My boy yammie is a ducatista famm😂
I own a 2021 Hyper 950 but I wouldn’t have a problem keeping a BMW alongside my Duc.
You right, I love bmw 1000rr lol
even new one the M i mean
My first bike was a Ducati and I had fun with it but I think I’m gonna get a bmw for my second just because they are a little more affordable for some of the best performance out there
Facts!
You buy a Ducati, because you want a Ducati.
You buy a BWM motorcycle, because you couldn't afford the car.
Well said, you' ve got it mate. Never truerer words, and that's what most of biased nonsenses are all about : envy, only childish envy.! Ducati best of tops
You obviously never owned a Broke My Wallet
As a German living in Germany I have no choice but so say....................Ducati :D
BMW is just a fkin boring brand on its own. And compared to the most passionate manufacturer Ducati there is nothing what could pull me on their side.
good comment, do you see BMW wsbk winning the championship this year,i'm just curious
Of course as a German, you win either way as Ducati is owned by Audi
@@GoldenEagleXTND haha,i'm only italian though
@@fqeagles21 Well, you've still got Aprilia and MV Agusta at least lol
@@GoldenEagleXTND true hahah
G310R is just a re-badged TVS Apache 310 RTR.
I had a NineT. now I got a Desert X. Just because BMW does not have something in that category. I think BMW has better quality but the Ducati reminds me why I love motorcycles.
You sit there a compare a GS vs a Multi even though a Multi will never be off road. XR vs Multi is a closer comparison.
I own a Ducati XDS, ordered the BMW M1000R…which would I like more….
Yam gave me a hj. After rubbing it out, he took off his hat and glasses and proceeded to stare me down like a cat..
.. it was awkward asf, and somehow made me feel guilty.
The shame lingers this day. I am forever changed.
I hate the sound of every Duc engine I’ve ever heard until they came out with the new V4, which sounds wonderful. Much prefer the sound of BMW’s boxer and flat 6. At least the new Multi has been offered in liveries with no red whatsoever, and I hate the color red like a Spanish bull. So unless I shop for a GS, in which case I might ride the big Multi, I’m otherwise a BMW guy. Just love the precision feel and slickness of the engineering. At my age, I hate “raw” and “untamed”. As always, YMMV.
And now, try the M versions on for size if you want power out the wazoo. The V4 Streetfighter has company.
How about the bmw k1200r and k1300r 180mph naked sport touring bike one of the best bikes I've ever ridin and been on everything from Harleys to Ducati and I still love my o6 k1200r electronic suspension abs and 170hp from factory and it's still faster 0-60 then a s1000rr and v4 today
I'm not doing desmo service or the soccer dad vibe. Hard pass on both. Kinda like a Harley. I ride Yamahas. A Chinese KTM maybe? Certainly not a Triumph
whats maintenance like with these brands? Everybody memes on desmos and other ducati bs, but bmw also isn't cheap, right? Valvework on the boxers must be easy as pie, right?
Hey do y’all know the best first motorcycle to get
(FROM GERMANY PERSPECTIVE)
I prefer BMW:
Facts:
Its cheaper at buying
Its way cheaper maintance
Its technology more advanced in terms of Elektronik
Its more streetusable and more comfy (I am 6,1 ft)
Its way more reliable
Personal preferences:
Better Sound and Better look
Especially thr 2018 model wir sc project Slip-On
Sorry man, you have the wrong opinion on boxer engine sound, better luck next time!
It gets so tiresome hearing Yammie Noob bashing BMW's. For rich guys - maybe, but I'm not a rich guy. I bought mine used. 136 horsepower isn't enough on an ADV bike? Not enough for who? And there's a reason that Ducati has been the butt of reliability jokes for 40 years.
I'm sure they're great, and I'm sure there are plenty of Asian / European bikes that measure up in ways that BMW can't. If I remember correctly, BMW outsold every other motorcycle manufacturer last year. Call it the fallacy of the marketplace if you will, but over 200,000 buyers, more than any other brand, think BMW is just fine.
Wutever, dude. Your bias against BMW really does detract from what are otherwise some of the best motorcycle videos on YT.
Ducati are far better looking stylingwise but of the two but I'd take a BMW as probably more reliable.
I would have any Jap bikes before either of them though... mainly because I'm not loaded. :)
Ducati all day and I still like bmw but come on Ducati has an absolutely legendary line up of bikes since forever..
BMW bikes are the most painfully boring thing I have ever ridden, the S1000R makes me feel like I'm sitting on a CBR500R, and you can tell how bad that is. Ducati, for better or worse, has not yet failed to put a goofy ass grin on my face every time I ride around on one so far. The Panigales, when they work, are some insane weapons, and if I ever become a track only bro, I'd probably snag myself a V2. But for now I'd keep my XSR, thank you very much.
I own BMW because it is bomb proof and I like to ride my motorcycles not look at them and talk about them. Also, I am not a poser looking to make up for something.
Ducatis are cool. I need to own one at some point. But I will keep my BMW so I have something to ride when the Ducati breaks down
“Sitting in the corner in the cuck chair” 🤣🤣🤣. I’m offended. I own a GS.
I like both but lean more towards Ducati.