EXCELLENT point and I get it's live but SA traded an All-Star, Utah traded two, and OKC has traded 5-6. However, I agree with Mike that what you do is trade Noel, Bogdon, and Burks to build the war chest. Burks has a 10 ML team option next year. I'm not paying dude 10 mil to play here next year when we need to only be playing our youth.
@SamPrestiFanClub I'm with you as far as Burks & Noel but like I say he's holding out for that 1st for Bogey.If it wasn't presented this yr no reason why it can't be revisited again next year possibly or during the off season.
@@jermainepennymon1158 the league changed dramatically over the last 72 hours and if anything I think teams will see after some of these moves that they are not going to be as good as they hoped. If I’m right, this will make even more teams sellers and then there would be even more options for those who are buying. Hell only be a year older. I hope you’re right but I don’t see it and if it was doable I’d want the draft pick for next year and now that likely won’t happen.
@@tonemoney1733 come on man I don’t have those answers. For a month Bobi was supposed decline for only one first rounder, I’d of done it and it wouldn’t likely had him in the west. Alec Burks could go for second rounders. Not because he isn’t good but because we should not pick up his 10ML option next year so what’s the point of keeping him. Same with Noel, we have a million big men.
The Biggest difference between the Pistons' rebuild vs OKC, Thunder, Jazz, and others is they actually had players that had value. Detroit had Andre Drummond and Blake Griffin on one leg.
Fully agree..kennard was the only young player.on team..the difference between weaver and holmes? Holmes has coaches that DEVELOPE the rookies he has..
Jazz had assets to trade. Thunder had assets to trade. Pistons had..uhh..Blake Griffin? A tough place to rebuild when you had no assets to trade for first round picks to begin with when Weaver showed up here. However, still disappointing from Weaver so far..Bojan shouldn’t be on this team right now :(
What about the Cavs? Even before Mitchell, they were a play-in team last year and started with nothing. There's no excuse for the Pistons to be where they are at right now
no doubt about it. Get whatever you could for it. There are only 48 minutes in a game you can't play Beef, MG, Noel, Duren, and Wiseman constantly and some of them need to be playing lots of minutes to get better. And on top of that, IF they get the #1 pick you add Victor. (best problem ever to have) but then trading those bigs for pennies because teams know you can't play them all.
I don’t really understand the love for Troy Weaver. He makes good picks because we always have high picks to use. I fully agree with Mike here I don’t understand the plan here at all. This team is terrible
Paul Hanson 0 seconds ago Lifetime Golden State Warriors fan here-been a fan from 1973-before the dynasty so you know I've seen a thing or two with this franchise. I've never pulled harder for a young draft pick more than by James Wiseman-a really good young dude who didn't deserve some of the stuff he's had to deal with. I will tell you that what he's always needed ALL THE TIME for the last 5 years was to JUST PLAY BASKETBALL. That's it. He hasn't really played basketball with players that are not beneath him in talent. He always looked lost on the floor in Golden State's system. They wanted him to be another Andrew Bogut, Zaza Pachulia, David West type and that NEVER was Wiseman. You can see the raw potential there but in order to get better-he needed to play basketball-somewhere. He missed an entire college career outside of 69 minutes of college ball in 3 games. He had COVID, he missed a few practices due to communication issues-and he tore his meniscus JUST when he was starting to look like something good in the 2020-21 season. He looked only OK in the G League as he is still so far behind on basic big man fundamentals-for some reason Penny Hardaway taught him to play like a guard on the offensive end. If you watch his tape this year-you'll see shorter offensive players just eat him alive in the paint-depressing and embarrassing. No one ever focused on that part of his game. He played with Precious Achiuwa at U of Memphis-you can see how good Precious was and it covered up the holes in Wiseman's extremely short college career. He never played in games in front of scouts preparing for the draft. The most damning thing for him with Golden State was that when he was in the game with Stephen Curry-it absolutely destroyed the productivity of Steph's minutes something fierce. He had the worst plus/minus in the league. All this said-he went to absolutely the wrong team to play for-a championship team that needs their big man to be a screen setter, rebounder, passer-someone who really knows the game. Not a budding physical freak with guard skills with a fantastic offensive touch around the basket. He just needs to play, and play a lot. I look forward to seeing him proceed along the way of his basketball career and I truly hope he has a fantastic set of seasons for Detroit! He deserves it-he's been through a rough start to his career and he's a sweet good guy down in his heart.
These “incredible draft nights” include taking killian Hayes over Halliburton and Maxey. A trade that ended up giving us two average players at best (Stewart and Bey). Two picks a fourth grader could have made (Cade and Ivey). And the Duren trade which I still like.
What they messed up on was telling bey to become an all around player. He shoulda just continued to work on his 3pointer and not practiced on the inside game
Jaden Ivey, Killian Hayes, Jalen Duren, Saddiq Bey, Isaiah Stewart, Cade Cunningham. Six Top 20 picks and they did absolutely nothing together. They weren't even contending in games if we're being honest. Spurs, Thunder, Jazz having all those picks are great, but if they can't develop them into pieces, picks don't matter. The only time it matters is when you can trade them for a superstar like Donovan Mitchell (who the Pistons should have drafted over Luke Kennard in the first place).
I see him talking about the pistons war chest how they have none. U talked about Utah Cleveland and okc having more picks and all that and they started rebuilding after us. But u make no sense because all those teams had all stars to trade to get those picks Troy weaver had to buy out guys he didn’t have that luxury to trade for picks. And the vets we now are not getting us 1st round picks. Some of these people with this platform just say anything without thinking or doing research.
Actually I think the rebuild is going well. They are supposed to suck right now to get talent. Next year they make the leap absent some bad luck. Let me paint a very reasonable scenario. Cunningham returns. Go get Jeremy grant. Doable given his relation with Weaver, we treated him well, and frankly our position will be better than portlands. Without “winning the lotto” get the forward from Alabama-the miller kid. All three things are doable. I think those three things happen and u are a playoff team. You just need a little seasoning. Suddenly this team is highly talented with size, athleticism, shooting, scoring and defense with its best years ahead of them.
There are more ways to build a contender. Please note the Warriors in the early 2010s. They didn’t have a war chest of assets. they drafted smart by picking Steph, Thompson, Barnes and Draymond Green. They accumulated all-stars through the draft, and kept the payroll low. Then they were able to give a max to Durant and they became a dynasty. Safe to say we have at least 4 guys who project to be all-stars or high end role players, with a top 5 pick coming up. There will be misses or bad moves as they always are…but we do have legit assets now that we didn’t have in the past while still having a reasonable payroll. If everyone in the league is accumulating draft capital then the market becomes saturated and would diminish in value.
I don’t think the Wiseman trade was bad, but the way this roster is constructed doesn’t make much sense to me. Why would you want like 5 centers and nobody at the 3? And of course OKC has a million first rounders, let’s not forget they had KD, Harden and Russ all at the same time at one point, whereas the Pistons had nobody of that caliber over the past few years
I agree with everything they said, except for OKC started their rebuild by trading a superstar (PG 13) to get a superstar (SGA) & five future first round picks in return. Pistons didn’t have that and still don’t.
“All the rebuilding teams” … Okc included trading Russ, harden, oladipo, Sabonis, pg13… yes, they are going to have capital … Spurs have traded Kawhi, Jakob, Murray… they will have more … Jazz traded rudy and spida … We started with the corpses or Blake and Drummond with a young core of kennard, Bruce brown, svi… considering we will go into the 2023 season, we will be rolling out 2 of the last 3 #1 ovr picks, duren who could have a top 4 career from this past draft aswell as ivey…. We are good 🤣
I don't get why Valenti is asking why we don't have has many 1st round picks as OKC and Utah as if we've had enough good players to trade for those picks lol
The knock on Wiseman is his lack of defense. Duren is better defensively and rebounding. Wiseman is more a forward than center . Wiseman has midrange, 3 pt range. He's in the mode of jaren jackson jr. Duren and Wiseman can pair up. They are different types of players.
thunder had paul george, westbrook to move. Utah had spida and gobert to move. we had a shell of blake griffin and andre drummond. You cannot sit there and speak pistons and discount how horrendous our rebuild has started. how do you even compare those team's warchests to ours? we used a THIRD pick in 2020 that we traded for and turned it into the #2 pick who has all the metrics and talent with no playing time. you have to make that move. How are we sitting here bashing something that is impossible for weaver to accomplish. Look at the roster he took over. Luke bleeping kennard was our biggest asset. Just unfair and uneducated talk
I want to see you trade Blake Griffin for 4 first round picks. I want to see you trade Andre Drummond for 3 first round picks. Now we get to hear you moan and groan about how we didn't get 1 first rounder for bojan which will probably be pick number 25-30. Troy makes trades during draft night to take a shot at dudes in the teens when he knows exactly who has what picks.
The Pistons biggest problem was the 2020 draft. Blame the pandemic if you like but that draft was a complete bust. As far as picks. All 3 guys play like trash. Hayes, Stewart and Bey. That draft was to get rid of the trash we had. Trash for younger trash. We missed by taking Hayes out the gate. Weaver got 3 first round picks and they all suck. That's crazy.
Casey has to go, Weaver is starting to hold us back. All he does is trades and gets other teams lottery picks that are bust. Over paying for marvin bagley. Casey is the worse tho
@@ki11atj49 no I meant Troy is shortening his time as a GM because we have still been bottom of the barrel over the past few years, sorry should’ve provided more context
Everything these clowns say bet the opposite to come true. They love to be loud when its negative time. Until Cade returns next year we're developing our youth. I'm sorry but you arent winning in this league starting 18 year olds. Also comparing other teams war chests as dumbo puts it vs Detroit isnt fair as Utah, Spurs, OKC traded elite talent to begin with. Weaver had dead bodies when he showed up.
I'm a dude that has always been Detroit teams good and bad ,but watching every game usually wasting my night with a Detroit L, has worn on me. I haven't been able to watch the pistons since cade got hurt. Even with cade they were hard to watch.
God awful trade. When you're one of the worst teams in the entire association you have to move your expiring contracts for picks. No draft picks acquired and another wasted off-season.
Only way forward is that we get Penny Hardaway, Rasheed & Ben, Chauncey, and Rip to come and be the coaching staff for Detroit. The Pistons now have two players that played for Penny in Memphis. Wiseman was compared Rasheed in the draft. (Maybe we get another in Emoni Bates). Also, I feel like this trade was more of "the only way Saddiq fits on this team is if we GET Wemby". If we do not get Wemby, we are going to either end up with Scoot, or another wing (WHICH IS A HIGH CHANCE). Saddiq would be a volume 3 point shooter with Wemby. His role with this current team, and if we don't get Wemby is NOT CLEAR. That's why he was traded. Right? Also, THANK YOU for pointing out that the Pistons held on to their assets for far TOO LONG. That's a huge problem I have with Weaver.
This is a bit of an overreaction here xD Everyone needs to calm down and accurately asses the situation. Making an emotional decision isn’t the best move. You cant just blow up the whole team up when you best player has been out for the season on a rebuilding team. They are molding the team for next year. Not the last 20 something games for the season. Cap space… lottery pick… Cade Return… the test is next season. Valenti needs to check his expectations here. We will need to wait and see. We legit needed a back up big man so logically that works (theoretically). If he doesn’t fire Casey in the offseason, THATS when I’d be concerned.
the guy is basically a rookie. Played half a season his rookie year. 3 games in college. And now barely played this year. When he got hurt rookie year he was top 5 in rookie of the year standings. Let the kid play. He is going to be a great player someday as long he stays healthy he has all the pieces. He’s still a kid. Cant wait to see how he flourishes in detroit.
Weaver had nothing when we came here. Terrible contracts no young players. 3 years later we have Cade Ivey duren 50 mill in cap space and another top 5 pick and ppl still think he’s a bad gm. People suck
We've had three years of the almost the exact same record as well. Zero improvement and until he gets rid of Casey, I'm not going to take him serious again
Idk why people complain about the pistons. The NBA is so garbage regardless. It’s loaded up all star teams against everyone else. Pistons will never be what the lakers, suns, bucks and a couple others are or even close. We are a very small market team that no free agents wanna come too. NBA needs a huge overhaul before a lot of fans can take this league serious. Once stern retired and silver took over it’s been a shit show. Highlights without any fundamentals, superstars going to play with other superstars to win a ring. The league is watered down and too immature. Make college players stay 3 years in college to develop. Way too many entitled 20 year olds making millions
Market size!! Why y’all keep sayn that !! Nobody was thinking abt the Warriors etc for years to Stephen curry Draymond Green klay arrived.. Same with bucks with Giannis etc Same with The suns ..What abt when Chauncey Billups Ben Wallace Pistons or the Bad Boys Pistons did you think them organization was a bigger market then the Pistons at that time ?! Besides the lakers ..Wins Matter…. The league didn’t jus start 10yrsr ago .,You talkn abt Bucks cause of Giannis/ wins matter…
You get rid of your most promising SF on a young team for a C on a team with 5 Centers already. AND your best hope is to draft a Center with the 1st pick??? Not even any sort of first rounder for Bey. Why are we clenching onto Bogdan like he's going to push us to the top when he's what 37? Also can we get rid of Casey like it's over we're moving backwards fast out here 😵
@Scott Cada you mean bogdan? Bey wouldn't of gotten shots on this team if not for cade being out. I'm just saying if not a first rounder or multiple picks why even bother
Oh hey, how's jaden Ivey doing? Crap like I said he would. Pistons need a new GM who knows how to put together a team and not just get pieces one-at-a-time.
I've said this in other Pistons podcast. Weaver has been given too much credit. He's built the worst team in the NBA. LOOK at other NBA teams okc, spurs,etc.... pistons whole organization is a shit show
@@eddielacrosse2 if that’s all the market was and all he could get I would’ve held onto him…? It’s not like he was a FA this year and he had 2 good years vs one bad.
@@eddielacrosse2 and wiseman on the other hand has barley played basketball since High school and had an injury history already, I’m not sure why people think it’s such a good idea to load up on former high lottery big men with an injury history
Rico wearing a gucci hat is hilarious to me
With an athletic 1/4 zip that couldn't match less 😂
Haters.
Lolol
Did I miss something.Did we have all-stars to start a war chest like OKC & Utah?
EXCELLENT point and I get it's live but SA traded an All-Star, Utah traded two, and OKC has traded 5-6. However, I agree with Mike that what you do is trade Noel, Bogdon, and Burks to build the war chest. Burks has a 10 ML team option next year. I'm not paying dude 10 mil to play here next year when we need to only be playing our youth.
@SamPrestiFanClub I'm with you as far as Burks & Noel but like I say he's holding out for that 1st for Bogey.If it wasn't presented this yr no reason why it can't be revisited again next year possibly or during the off season.
@@jermainepennymon1158 the league changed dramatically over the last 72 hours and if anything I think teams will see after some of these moves that they are not going to be as good as they hoped. If I’m right, this will make even more teams sellers and then there would be even more options for those who are buying. Hell only be a year older. I hope you’re right but I don’t see it and if it was doable I’d want the draft pick for next year and now that likely won’t happen.
@@AdamLovesHorror trade them to who for what
@@tonemoney1733 come on man I don’t have those answers. For a month Bobi was supposed decline for only one first rounder, I’d of done it and it wouldn’t likely had him in the west. Alec Burks could go for second rounders. Not because he isn’t good but because we should not pick up his 10ML option next year so what’s the point of keeping him. Same with Noel, we have a million big men.
The Biggest difference between the Pistons' rebuild vs OKC, Thunder, Jazz, and others is they actually had players that had value. Detroit had Andre Drummond and Blake Griffin on one leg.
Fully agree..kennard was the only young player.on team..the difference between weaver and holmes? Holmes has coaches that DEVELOPE the rookies he has..
Valenti is sounding like a real casual in this one
@@BNimry sounds 100% accurate to me, Weaver has done nothing
Warriors fan here, and huge believer in Wiseman. I can tell you this, I will be watching Pistons games for the first time this season.
Me too I already checked the schedule of piston games
Same here
Jazz had assets to trade. Thunder had assets to trade. Pistons had..uhh..Blake Griffin? A tough place to rebuild when you had no assets to trade for first round picks to begin with when Weaver showed up here. However, still disappointing from Weaver so far..Bojan shouldn’t be on this team right now :(
What about the Cavs? Even before Mitchell, they were a play-in team last year and started with nothing. There's no excuse for the Pistons to be where they are at right now
Burks, Noel, and Bojan should’ve been traded today
no doubt about it. Get whatever you could for it. There are only 48 minutes in a game you can't play Beef, MG, Noel, Duren, and Wiseman constantly and some of them need to be playing lots of minutes to get better. And on top of that, IF they get the #1 pick you add Victor. (best problem ever to have) but then trading those bigs for pennies because teams know you can't play them all.
Hilarious y’all think Noel has value, at all. Teams called about him, but not to offer up a second round pick, but to ask when will he be bought out 😭
@@UnbeatableJacob someone would’ve done a second round pick or else there would be no calls. But if you say so. Too late to find out now
I've said for some time that draft day moves seems more likely than trade deadline moves.
The Thunder, Spurs and Jazz all had all star stars to trade. Detroit had Andre Drummond's and Griffin on 1 Leg
He rants about not having #1 picks & the one guy who would garner that in Bogey,he's holding on till someone coughs up a #1 pick.
I don’t really understand the love for Troy Weaver. He makes good picks because we always have high picks to use. I fully agree with Mike here I don’t understand the plan here at all. This team is terrible
Paul Hanson
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Lifetime Golden State Warriors fan here-been a fan from 1973-before the dynasty so you know I've seen a thing or two with this franchise. I've never pulled harder for a young draft pick more than by James Wiseman-a really good young dude who didn't deserve some of the stuff he's had to deal with. I will tell you that what he's always needed ALL THE TIME for the last 5 years was to JUST PLAY BASKETBALL. That's it. He hasn't really played basketball with players that are not beneath him in talent. He always looked lost on the floor in Golden State's system. They wanted him to be another Andrew Bogut, Zaza Pachulia, David West type and that NEVER was Wiseman. You can see the raw potential there but in order to get better-he needed to play basketball-somewhere. He missed an entire college career outside of 69 minutes of college ball in 3 games. He had COVID, he missed a few practices due to communication issues-and he tore his meniscus JUST when he was starting to look like something good in the 2020-21 season. He looked only OK in the G League as he is still so far behind on basic big man fundamentals-for some reason Penny Hardaway taught him to play like a guard on the offensive end. If you watch his tape this year-you'll see shorter offensive players just eat him alive in the paint-depressing and embarrassing. No one ever focused on that part of his game. He played with Precious Achiuwa at U of Memphis-you can see how good Precious was and it covered up the holes in Wiseman's extremely short college career. He never played in games in front of scouts preparing for the draft. The most damning thing for him with Golden State was that when he was in the game with Stephen Curry-it absolutely destroyed the productivity of Steph's minutes something fierce. He had the worst plus/minus in the league. All this said-he went to absolutely the wrong team to play for-a championship team that needs their big man to be a screen setter, rebounder, passer-someone who really knows the game. Not a budding physical freak with guard skills with a fantastic offensive touch around the basket. He just needs to play, and play a lot. I look forward to seeing him proceed along the way of his basketball career and I truly hope he has a fantastic set of seasons for Detroit! He deserves it-he's been through a rough start to his career and he's a sweet good guy down in his heart.
These “incredible draft nights” include taking killian Hayes over Halliburton and Maxey. A trade that ended up giving us two average players at best (Stewart and Bey). Two picks a fourth grader could have made (Cade and Ivey). And the Duren trade which I still like.
Mike "what are we doing?" Valenti
"What's in the box"🤣
What they messed up on was telling bey to become an all around player. He shoulda just continued to work on his 3pointer and not practiced on the inside game
wtf, weaver didnt have any assets when he took over. also, okc started the rebuild before troy arrived.
Jaden Ivey, Killian Hayes, Jalen Duren, Saddiq Bey, Isaiah Stewart, Cade Cunningham. Six Top 20 picks and they did absolutely nothing together. They weren't even contending in games if we're being honest.
Spurs, Thunder, Jazz having all those picks are great, but if they can't develop them into pieces, picks don't matter. The only time it matters is when you can trade them for a superstar like Donovan Mitchell (who the Pistons should have drafted over Luke Kennard in the first place).
I see him talking about the pistons war chest how they have none. U talked about Utah Cleveland and okc having more picks and all that and they started rebuilding after us. But u make no sense because all those teams had all stars to trade to get those picks Troy weaver had to buy out guys he didn’t have that luxury to trade for picks. And the vets we now are not getting us 1st round picks. Some of these people with this platform just say anything without thinking or doing research.
Actually I think the rebuild is going well. They are supposed to suck right now to get talent. Next year they make the leap absent some bad luck. Let me paint a very reasonable scenario. Cunningham returns. Go get Jeremy grant. Doable given his relation with Weaver, we treated him well, and frankly our position will be better than portlands. Without “winning the lotto” get the forward from Alabama-the miller kid. All three things are doable. I think those three things happen and u are a playoff team. You just need a little seasoning. Suddenly this team is highly talented with size, athleticism, shooting, scoring and defense with its best years ahead of them.
What shooting?
There are more ways to build a contender. Please note the Warriors in the early 2010s. They didn’t have a war chest of assets. they drafted smart by picking Steph, Thompson, Barnes and Draymond Green. They accumulated all-stars through the draft, and kept the payroll low. Then they were able to give a max to Durant and they became a dynasty. Safe to say we have at least 4 guys who project to be all-stars or high end role players, with a top 5 pick coming up. There will be misses or bad moves as they always are…but we do have legit assets now that we didn’t have in the past while still having a reasonable payroll. If everyone in the league is accumulating draft capital then the market becomes saturated and would diminish in value.
I don’t think the Wiseman trade was bad, but the way this roster is constructed doesn’t make much sense to me. Why would you want like 5 centers and nobody at the 3? And of course OKC has a million first rounders, let’s not forget they had KD, Harden and Russ all at the same time at one point, whereas the Pistons had nobody of that caliber over the past few years
The Thunder rebuild started when they traded russ
before that. First they traded PG-13 and Russ the next day.
I agree with everything they said, except for OKC started their rebuild by trading a superstar (PG 13) to get a superstar (SGA) & five future first round picks in return. Pistons didn’t have that and still don’t.
“All the rebuilding teams”
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Okc included trading Russ, harden, oladipo, Sabonis, pg13… yes, they are going to have capital
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Spurs have traded Kawhi, Jakob, Murray… they will have more
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Jazz traded rudy and spida
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We started with the corpses or Blake and Drummond with a young core of kennard, Bruce brown, svi… considering we will go into the 2023 season, we will be rolling out 2 of the last 3 #1 ovr picks, duren who could have a top 4 career from this past draft aswell as ivey…. We are good 🤣
I don't get why Valenti is asking why we don't have has many 1st round picks as OKC and Utah as if we've had enough good players to trade for those picks lol
We need more takes on basketball from this show on TH-cam or live
It'll help when the team is relevant again.
The knock on Wiseman is his lack of defense. Duren is better defensively and rebounding. Wiseman is more a forward than center . Wiseman has midrange, 3 pt range. He's in the mode of jaren jackson jr. Duren and Wiseman can pair up. They are different types of players.
This is a trade where you need to wait and see.
We have never had guys good enough to get 1st round picks like okc and jazz had pretty simple
5:33-5:40 Yes, he is.
I still don't know why I'm invested in this team 🤦♂️
Rico...geez...the beauty supply fashion hat bro?🤦 When I called in I was hoping you had on the big brim hat...Mike was right🙄
thunder had paul george, westbrook to move. Utah had spida and gobert to move. we had a shell of blake griffin and andre drummond. You cannot sit there and speak pistons and discount how horrendous our rebuild has started. how do you even compare those team's warchests to ours? we used a THIRD pick in 2020 that we traded for and turned it into the #2 pick who has all the metrics and talent with no playing time. you have to make that move. How are we sitting here bashing something that is impossible for weaver to accomplish. Look at the roster he took over. Luke bleeping kennard was our biggest asset. Just unfair and uneducated talk
Rico found about DHGate and went full kid in a candy shop
Wiseman can play. He is a little green, but has real, actual potential to be a legit big.
It was a good trade.
he's extremely, EXTREMELY GREEN but he has potential that's huge. He went to the absolute wrong team to develop him the right way
If the pistons had okc's record he'd be pissed they weren't tanking for victor.. can't win
Yes i do buy in
..its not his fault .coaching is horrible.no culture no system.no development of players..
Love you guys. Wiseman is Bagley, Bagley is Wiseman
bad take
@@AllThingsKen watching some of Wiseman’s highlight videos his offensive game is similar. The difference is Wiseman plays defense and is taller
Defense?
I disagree but the comment was funny lol. Bagley wasn’t on a team where he never got any playing time. Bagley is Bagley
@@danielptodd316 totally different players wise is a athletic freak who can shoot dribble and run the floor hes also mobile for 7ft
I want to see you trade Blake Griffin for 4 first round picks. I want to see you trade Andre Drummond for 3 first round picks. Now we get to hear you moan and groan about how we didn't get 1 first rounder for bojan which will probably be pick number 25-30. Troy makes trades during draft night to take a shot at dudes in the teens when he knows exactly who has what picks.
I don't see them improving that much the next 5 seasons the management and coaching is a joke
*Complains team sucks
*Wants to trade only vets on team
The Pistons biggest problem was the 2020 draft. Blame the pandemic if you like but that draft was a complete bust. As far as picks. All 3 guys play like trash. Hayes, Stewart and Bey. That draft was to get rid of the trash we had. Trash for younger trash. We missed by taking Hayes out the gate. Weaver got 3 first round picks and they all suck. That's crazy.
Casey has to go, Weaver is starting to hold us back. All he does is trades and gets other teams lottery picks that are bust. Over paying for marvin bagley. Casey is the worse tho
So who should the coach?
Are we watching any real basketball? Tell us which team that won 4 years after a rebuild?
@@EFunkRock anybody but this bum. Stop that narrative. Hire Udoka. Simple fix
@@webechubbin and how would he help?
I agree with Casey 100%. I disagree on the trades. Positioned us well for a lot of Cap Space.
I want Casey fired but Troy is also shortening his time here
Is he? what has Troy Weaver said or done that makes you think he's moving away from Casey yet?
@@ki11atj49 no I meant Troy is shortening his time as a GM because we have still been bottom of the barrel over the past few years, sorry should’ve provided more context
Wiseman=Marvin Bagley 2.0
Angry Italian Noises
Everything these clowns say bet the opposite to come true. They love to be loud when its negative time. Until Cade returns next year we're developing our youth. I'm sorry but you arent winning in this league starting 18 year olds.
Also comparing other teams war chests as dumbo puts it vs Detroit isnt fair as Utah, Spurs, OKC traded elite talent to begin with. Weaver had dead bodies when he showed up.
I'm a dude that has always been Detroit teams good and bad ,but watching every game usually wasting my night with a Detroit L, has worn on me. I haven't been able to watch the pistons since cade got hurt. Even with cade they were hard to watch.
Fuggggg
I don’t understand why stew is here
God awful trade. When you're one of the worst teams in the entire association you have to move your expiring contracts for picks. No draft picks acquired and another wasted off-season.
Only way forward is that we get Penny Hardaway, Rasheed & Ben, Chauncey, and Rip to come and be the coaching staff for Detroit.
The Pistons now have two players that played for Penny in Memphis. Wiseman was compared Rasheed in the draft. (Maybe we get another in Emoni Bates).
Also, I feel like this trade was more of "the only way Saddiq fits on this team is if we GET Wemby". If we do not get Wemby, we are going to either end up with Scoot, or another wing (WHICH IS A HIGH CHANCE). Saddiq would be a volume 3 point shooter with Wemby. His role with this current team, and if we don't get Wemby is NOT CLEAR. That's why he was traded. Right?
Also, THANK YOU for pointing out that the Pistons held on to their assets for far TOO LONG. That's a huge problem I have with Weaver.
The only person who thinks this rebuild is going great is Johnny Kane lol add Mickey York to that list n the legend blaha 0:36
Casey is the issue with these players….
Its infuriating listening to dude on left talk.
This is a bit of an overreaction here xD
Everyone needs to calm down and accurately asses the situation. Making an emotional decision isn’t the best move. You cant just blow up the whole team up when you best player has been out for the season on a rebuilding team.
They are molding the team for next year. Not the last 20 something games for the season. Cap space… lottery pick… Cade Return… the test is next season.
Valenti needs to check his expectations here.
We will need to wait and see. We legit needed a back up big man so logically that works (theoretically).
If he doesn’t fire Casey in the offseason, THATS when I’d be concerned.
How is Casey the problem when the roster is garbage?
Valenti is sounding like a real casual
Stop this lame ass saying, dude is right. The pistons are so damn bad and not heading anywhere
the guy is basically a rookie. Played half a season his rookie year. 3 games in college. And now barely played this year. When he got hurt rookie year he was top 5 in rookie of the year standings. Let the kid play. He is going to be a great player someday as long he stays healthy he has all the pieces. He’s still a kid. Cant wait to see how he flourishes in detroit.
Weaver had nothing when we came here. Terrible contracts no young players. 3 years later we have Cade Ivey duren 50 mill in cap space and another top 5 pick and ppl still think he’s a bad gm. People suck
We've had three years of the almost the exact same record as well. Zero improvement and until he gets rid of Casey, I'm not going to take him serious again
Agreed. So many clueless, garbage takes in this fanbase.
Cade, Ivey and Duren still haven't proven anything
Of course I believe in Troy.
Idk why people complain about the pistons. The NBA is so garbage regardless. It’s loaded up all star teams against everyone else. Pistons will never be what the lakers, suns, bucks and a couple others are or even close. We are a very small market team that no free agents wanna come too. NBA needs a huge overhaul before a lot of fans can take this league serious. Once stern retired and silver took over it’s been a shit show. Highlights without any fundamentals, superstars going to play with other superstars to win a ring. The league is watered down and too immature. Make college players stay 3 years in college to develop. Way too many entitled 20 year olds making millions
Market size!! Why y’all keep sayn that !! Nobody was thinking abt the Warriors etc for years to Stephen curry Draymond Green klay arrived.. Same with bucks with Giannis etc Same with The suns ..What abt when Chauncey Billups Ben Wallace Pistons or the Bad Boys Pistons did you think them organization was a bigger market then the Pistons at that time ?! Besides the lakers ..Wins Matter…. The league didn’t jus start 10yrsr ago .,You talkn abt Bucks cause of Giannis/ wins matter…
What's in the boxxxxx?!!! Her... pretty...head.
Please stop saying "War chest" LOL
He should be saying "war chifforobe".
You get rid of your most promising SF on a young team for a C on a team with 5 Centers already. AND your best hope is to draft a Center with the 1st pick??? Not even any sort of first rounder for Bey. Why are we clenching onto Bogdan like he's going to push us to the top when he's what 37? Also can we get rid of Casey like it's over we're moving backwards fast out here 😵
The only promise from Bey is that he's not going to pass the ball or play defense
@Scott Cada you mean bogdan? Bey wouldn't of gotten shots on this team if not for cade being out. I'm just saying if not a first rounder or multiple picks why even bother
@@jclements92 Bojan should have been traded too
Oh hey, how's jaden Ivey doing? Crap like I said he would. Pistons need a new GM who knows how to put together a team and not just get pieces one-at-a-time.
Hey another crappy piece to a crap puzzle. How do the Pistons get people to sit and watch that horrible product?
I've said this in other Pistons podcast. Weaver has been given too much credit. He's built the worst team in the NBA. LOOK at other NBA teams okc, spurs,etc.... pistons whole organization is a shit show
Definitely the low point in this rebuild. Terrible move by weaver imo, I’m tired of hearing about the big picture in this damn town
What trade were you going to make otherwise ? Lmao
@@eddielacrosse2 if that’s all the market was and all he could get I would’ve held onto him…? It’s not like he was a FA this year and he had 2 good years vs one bad.
@@eddielacrosse2 and wiseman on the other hand has barley played basketball since High school and had an injury history already, I’m not sure why people think it’s such a good idea to load up on former high lottery big men with an injury history