Just brutal. The worst ever. I knew it was bad when they played against another two win team and got blew out. Two things could make it hetter: 1. Sell the team. 2. Fire everyone and fire sale trades. Break that team up and start over again.
i remember 2 or 3 years ago alot of fans loved troy weaver and i never understood why. His trades are horrible and many other things. He's had 4 or 5 years to turn it around and just keeps getting worse
@@jacklumsden7444 +1 spot in 17 lotteries total... Cade was the exception not the rule. The fact is this team has dropped 8 spots in 3 of the past 4 lotteries and missed out on Paolo, Wemby, Ant, LaMelo, Brandon Miller, Chet, Jabari, Murray, Scoot, among others who would've been much better fits than the players we ended up with.
Season ticket holder here. Needless to say, I will NOT be renewing next year. It has nothing to do with bandwagoning. The team isn’t even competitive or fun to watch. I stuck by the Pistons in the early 80’s (when they, incidentally, had another long losing streak) and through the worst of the Teal years. It’s exactly like Mike & Rico said - the complete apathy from the ownership and the front office tells me they don’t care, so why should I? On top of it all, it looks like our coach is trying to get fired so he can take that $73 mil and sit on his couch. Go back and watch those first three games. They played defense, they moved the ball, Monty staggered the rotations instead of bringing in 5 ice cold guys all at once. Now he’s got Jaden Ivey coming 10th off the bench, playing behind bums like Killian Hayes and JOE HARRIS, who couldn’t throw it into the ocean this season. Kevin freaking Knox was playing well, moved into the starting lineup, and now doesn’t see the floor. Monty didn’t even want to be here, but Gores offered him an unfathomable amount of money, so he took it. He said the other night that he’s learning that they can score if they space the floor better. THAT’S BASKETBALL 101! What do you mean you’re learning?! It’s sad, because I do like a lot of the young guys on the team, but at this point I am rooting for them to lose just to draw more attention to this pathetic organization. I won’t blame any of the players when they inevitably ask for trades and become good, great, or even star players in another city with competent leadership.
Gores keeping the team may mean they leave Detroit. I believe he has his eyes on Vegas. With this level of incompetence, I'm watching the same amount of Pistons ball as I would if they didn't exist at all.
@@ec8107 yeah that's actually a great point. I didn't think of that angle. Good one. Yeah I'll be honest, I'm not on the inside of this situation. Just a person looking at it from afar.
Nah. The NBA owners have to stamp a relocation, and there’s no shot they let DET go to Vegas. They’re eventually going to expand, and 1 of the 2 will be Vegas. When Detroit is winning, the fans come out and support. They led the NBA in attendance for many years, were T3 for like 6-8 years in a row or something like that in the 2000, and during the Bad Boys era they crushed it…and the arena was in Auburn Hills. Now they have one of the newest, nicest arenas in the NBA. Honestly as far as I know we still weren’t doing too bad attendance wise until it got beyond atrocious. They were still at least a little below average or whatever. If Gores put this team up for sale, it’d go for a ton of money, and there’d be plenty of buyers willing to keep it in Detroit. Gores isn’t all that concerned with winning. It’s about the money, and even with them being so abysmal, it’s a money printing machine. I’m not sure about how the revenue splits are for non Red Wings and non Pistons games, but from what I can tell Illitch got an incredible deal with this arena. It cost like $863M+ to build, which is over $1B inflation adjusted. It was supposed to be a whole entertainment district, as well as have offices, residential facilities, they were going to revitalize downtown. Hotels, restaurants, new retail outlets, on top of Olympia Development funding the refurbishment of public infrastructure around the arena district. Street lighting, sidewalks, pavement, all of that kind of stuff. It was supposed to be the flagship of a $2.1B bigger area with Comerica Park, (Tigers) and Ford Field all being connected with all of this new stuff that was going to be amazing for the city. Olympia Entertainment, Olympia Development, all owned by Illitch Holdings. Illitch Holdings (Mike Illitch, pretty sure one of his kids runs it, he has 7 of them so it’s all nepotism obviously) owns Little Ceasars Pizza, the Red Wings, Motor City Casino, the Tigers, etc. Like I was saying about the sweet deal, there were A TON of public funds used for the arena/district. Illitch paid some, it was supposed to be like 50%…but it came wayyyy over budget (of course) so I have a feeling he only had to fork over like 25% or so at most. In the old arena which also had a massive amount of public $, there was revenue sharing for ticket sales, arena naming rights, all of that stuff. This time he gets to keep all of that. Little Ceasars signed a 20y deal at $6-$6.5M/y for the naming rights which is comical. Of course all of the sports stuff got done, everything to do with the actual arena…but the promise of helping with other things to do with the city haven’t come to fruition, also shocking right. Anyway when the Pistons moved in, Illitch and Gores formed 313 Presents. Gores owns Palace Sports & Entertainment, Illitch owns Olympia Entertainment. Together they run and promote 6 different venues…Olympia owned Little Ceasars Arena, Comerica Park, and Fox Theatre…then PS&E owned Pine Knob, Meadow Brook Amphitheater, and Michigan Lottery Amphitheater (never heard of this one) but 313 Presents was formed as a condition of the Pistons moving from the Palace to LCA. It’s estimated that this company owns 44% of Detroit’s major entertainment venues in terms of seats. So it’s an absolutely massive business venture. Needless to say, Tom Gores and Illitch are two peas in a pod. They are both making an absolutely obscene amount of money, and they don’t have to share a cent of it (at least any of the sports stuff, idk who gets the $ from concerts at LCA…you’d think the city would get some, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t get a single penny of anything) with the city even though they paid for the vast majority of the arena. I went on a huge tangent here, but there’s billions of reasons why Tom Gores would absolutely never move this team. He has such an incredible deal here and a franchise with history. As I said it PRINTS money. And the arena is incredibly, incredibly nice to be fair. In 2018 it was named Sports Business Facility of the Year at the Sports Business awards. It’s been praised as one of the nicest in the league. At least they used all that tax money to make a nice arena I guess. To be honest with you I don’t think we will see him sell the team, I just don’t. I hope I’m wrong, but he literally owns a business that’s portfolio includes a company that charges obscene amounts of $ for prison phone calls. He doesn’t seem to care about people, and he also believes he can do no wrong. He has gotten destroyed for years in the press and even some national media and groups for the prison business. He came out and basically said someone is gonna own it, I’d rather it be me (or his company whatever) bc I know it’ll be run ethically. He has a god complex or something, he gives off heavy evil supervillain vibes while being in a bubble. Creepy guy. I think the only hope is that he drops a bag on the right GM and lets that person do his job, and it’s someone who’s actually good. I believe if the team was winning consistently he wouldn’t meddle. One big issue is Arn Tellem and his son though. That’s Tom’s guy. So he’d have to give full power to someone and power enough to get rid of that weirdo too. Maybe that’s giving Bob Meyers a long contract for like $12M/yr or something, idk. He made 8M in GSW, I think $12M would make him the highest paid GM which GSW wasn’t willing to do I guess. It says Pat Riley and RC Buford make $10-$11M as the highest paid guys. Weaver probably only has a couple years left on his deal. His original contract was through 23-24, but it’s very possible 23-24 was a team option. It’s p common for deals to be 3-4y with another year that’s a TO. Weaver got extended going in to 22-23 IIRC, so it’d make a lot of sense if the reason he got extended was bc that was his final gtd year, and HCs/execs do not like being on the final year of their deal, it’s a thing. So maybe he raised his salary a bit, and guaranteed 23-24, and added a couple more years? Maybe his deal runs through 25-26? I doubt he makes more than like $5M/y or so, maybe $6M. So I could see Weaver getting canned after 24-25 with only one year left on his deal if things haven’t turned around yet, and I think that’s probably the only hope. He follows up his splashy HC hire with a splashy GM hire. Idk who that’d be…but if Meyers is available it seems like he’d be the big name with major success and by far the splashiest move. So ya I don’t see this team moving, I don’t see him selling it either. I think the most realistic way is they hire a top tier GM and let him do his job, and we get lucky enough for that person to be competent. ✌️
At the 7 minute mark are my ears working correctly? Rico interrupted like he had some mind blowing stat just to say that since Thankgsiving Embid has had more 30 point games than the Pistons have victories? Then they reacted like that was earth shattering news or something as he smiled like he delivered the stat of the century. Does Rico literally watch no NBA ball? Embid had 40 last night and averages over 33 points a game. 30 is the new 20 in today's NBA.That was super cringy and bizarre.
I have to ask this for pistons fans since i dont watch them play, are you guys considering firing Monty? I get he's a first year coach, and the roster is horribly constructed but this is inexcusable on a historic level
Here here. Wizards finally began a long-overdue rebuild, and the Spurs got Wembanyama and will probably get more in the next draft. Pistons have no direction. 3 worst owners in the league are Dolan, Leonsis, and Gores.
maybe Gores can swap with Ishbia - he always wanted the Pistons and 'settled' for the Suns.. and got a WNBA franchise as a bonus..so he may not want that deal any more w/o a significant sweetener
For the ppl worried about relocation if Gores does sell, there’s no way. The NBA owners have to stamp a relocation, and there’s no shot they let DET go to Vegas. They’re eventually going to expand, and 1 of the 2 will be Vegas. When Detroit is winning, the fans come out and support. They led the NBA in attendance for many years, were T3 for like 6-8 years in a row or something like that in the 2000, and during the Bad Boys era they crushed it…and the arena was in Auburn Hills. Now they have one of the newest, nicest arenas in the NBA. Honestly as far as I know we still weren’t doing too bad attendance wise until it got beyond atrocious. They were still at least a little below average or whatever. If Gores put this team up for sale, it’d go for a ton of money, and there’d be plenty of buyers willing to keep it in Detroit. Gores isn’t all that concerned with winning. It’s about the money, and even with them being so abysmal, it’s a money printing machine. I’m not sure about how the revenue splits are for non Red Wings and non Pistons games, but from what I can tell Illitch got an incredible deal with this arena. It cost like $863M+ to build, which is over $1B inflation adjusted. It was supposed to be a whole entertainment district, as well as have offices, residential facilities, they were going to revitalize downtown. Hotels, restaurants, new retail outlets, on top of Olympia Development funding the refurbishment of public infrastructure around the arena district. Street lighting, sidewalks, pavement, all of that kind of stuff. It was supposed to be the flagship of a $2.1B bigger area with Comerica Park, (Tigers) and Ford Field all being connected with all of this new stuff that was going to be amazing for the city. Olympia Entertainment, Olympia Development, all owned by Illitch Holdings. Illitch Holdings (Mike Illitch, pretty sure one of his kids runs it, he has 7 of them so it’s all nepotism obviously) owns Little Ceasars Pizza, the Red Wings, Motor City Casino, the Tigers, etc. Like I was saying about the sweet deal, there were A TON of public funds used for the arena/district. Illitch paid some, it was supposed to be like 50%…but it came wayyyy over budget (of course) so I have a feeling he only had to fork over like 25% or so at most. In the old arena which also had a massive amount of public $, there was revenue sharing for ticket sales, arena naming rights, all of that stuff. This time he gets to keep all of that. Little Ceasars signed a 20y deal at $6-$6.5M/y for the naming rights which is comical. Of course all of the sports stuff got done, everything to do with the actual arena…but the promise of helping with other things to do with the city haven’t come to fruition, also shocking right. Anyway when the Pistons moved in, Illitch and Gores formed 313 Presents. Gores owns Palace Sports & Entertainment, Illitch owns Olympia Entertainment. Together they run and promote 6 different venues…Olympia owned Little Ceasars Arena, Comerica Park, and Fox Theatre…then PS&E owned Pine Knob, Meadow Brook Amphitheater, and Michigan Lottery Amphitheater (never heard of this one) but 313 Presents was formed as a condition of the Pistons moving from the Palace to LCA. It’s estimated that this company owns 44% of Detroit’s major entertainment venues in terms of seats. So it’s an absolutely massive business venture. Needless to say, Tom Gores and Illitch are two peas in a pod. They are both making an absolutely obscene amount of money, and they don’t have to share a cent of it (at least any of the sports stuff, idk who gets the $ from concerts at LCA…you’d think the city would get some, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t get a single penny of anything) with the city even though they paid for the vast majority of the arena. I went on a huge tangent here, but there’s billions of reasons why Tom Gores would absolutely never move this team. He has such an incredible deal here and a franchise with history. As I said it PRINTS money. And the arena is incredibly, incredibly nice to be fair. In 2018 it was named Sports Business Facility of the Year at the Sports Business awards. It’s been praised as one of the nicest in the league. At least they used all that tax money to make a nice arena I guess. To be honest with you I don’t think we will see him sell the team, I just don’t. I hope I’m wrong, but he literally owns a business that’s portfolio includes a company that charges obscene amounts of $ for prison phone calls. He doesn’t seem to care about people, and he also believes he can do no wrong. He has gotten destroyed for years in the press and even some national media and groups for the prison business. He came out and basically said someone is gonna own it, I’d rather it be me (or his company whatever) bc I know it’ll be run ethically. He has a god complex or something, he gives off heavy evil supervillain vibes while being in a bubble. Creepy guy. I think the only hope is that he drops a bag on the right GM and lets that person do his job, and it’s someone who’s actually good. I believe if the team was winning consistently he wouldn’t meddle. One big issue is Arn Tellem and his son though. That’s Tom’s guy. So he’d have to give full power to someone and power enough to get rid of that weirdo too. Maybe that’s giving Bob Meyers a long contract for like $12M/yr or something, idk. He made 8M in GSW, I think $12M would make him the highest paid GM which GSW wasn’t willing to do I guess. It says Pat Riley and RC Buford make $10-$11M as the highest paid guys. Weaver probably only has a couple years left on his deal. His original contract was through 23-24, but it’s very possible 23-24 was a team option. It’s p common for deals to be 3-4y with another year that’s a TO. Weaver got extended going in to 22-23 IIRC, so it’d make a lot of sense if the reason he got extended was bc that was his final gtd year, and HCs/execs do not like being on the final year of their deal, it’s a thing. So maybe he raised his salary a bit, and guaranteed 23-24, and added a couple more years? Maybe his deal runs through 25-26? I doubt he makes more than like $5M/y or so, maybe $6M. So I could see Weaver getting canned after 24-25 with only one year left on his deal if things haven’t turned around yet, and I think that’s probably the only hope. He follows up his splashy HC hire with a splashy GM hire. Idk who that’d be…but if Meyers is available it seems like he’d be the big name with major success and by far the splashiest move. So ya I don’t see this team moving, I don’t see him selling it either. I think the most realistic way is they hire a top tier GM and let him do his job, and we get lucky enough for that person to be competent. ✌️
Chanting sell the team does nothing. You want to make a point? Don’t go to the games and don’t watch on tv. Zero fans and zero revenue would make a much louder statement. 100% fan boycott.
There’s already plenty of rich people with suites and courtside seats booked for years, and plenty of season ticket holders. That’s not realistic. Plus with revenue sharing and TV deal he’d get bailed out anyway. I agree he’s not selling the team either, but I agree with shaming him publicly and sell the team chants will do that. Maybe it’ll make him go and hire a highly qualified big name GM. He made an expensive splashy HC hire…maybe he decides to go pay Bob Meyer like $12M/y and makes him the highest paid GM in the NBA. Maybe Bob (or whoever it’d be) will then have enough power to make real changes. I think that’s the most realistic path. Weaver can’t have more than like 3 more years left on his deal. If things don’t turn around by the end of next season, maybe he cans him and goes out and gets a rly good GM. Thats really the only way I can think of that this changes, bc he’s printing too much $ to sell.
If nothing happens the Pistons will lose the face of their franchise. Cade Cunningham ain’t signing a rookie extension with a team that don’t care. Why would he? It’s sad man. If Cade walks it’s definitely over for this franchise!
Pistons.....fans? uhhhh.....Which would you rather have? A.) Team moves to Vegas and wins a title 5 years from now. B.) Team stays in Detroit and keeps sucking for the next decade.
I'm just echoing what other people are saying about Gores moving the team to a place where he can make more money off it. because he clearly doesnt care about team success. just business success @@bigfellamike1913
Valenti u still talking about Tom Gore, when you're the one who wanted him to hire Monty Williams, put your focus on Monty Williams who's beefing with Troy Weaver about Jaden Ivy playing,MW,is the blame
Haha look pistons suck. But ricos Stat about embiid was pistons level trolling. He averages 30. He's played 6 games. They were all over 30. At least say 50
Shout out to the bag heads that showed up at the game yall the real MVP's
Last time the Pistons won a game the World Series between Texas and Arizona was tied 1-1. Brutal stretch.
Sell the pistons chants at ford field Saturday would be funny
Keep that negative BS away from my team
Just brutal. The worst ever. I knew it was bad when they played against another two win team and got blew out.
Two things could make it hetter:
1. Sell the team.
2. Fire everyone and fire sale trades. Break that team up and start over again.
Any chance we can recruit the swifties to dig up some dirt on gores to get him canceled so silver boots his ass?
Why are people still showing up to the games?
i remember 2 or 3 years ago alot of fans loved troy weaver and i never understood why. His trades are horrible and many other things. He's had 4 or 5 years to turn it around and just keeps getting worse
This is unreal. I was feeling good with hiring Monty and the young guys. Giving up 130 points, Swiss cheese D. I agree with Mike on this one!
Yeah, Bounty Williams isn't a good coach at all.
Feels like Wembananas was the last hope. We just aren't getting superstars in free agency.
The team is 388-660 (.370) with Gore as Owner...awesome.
I think Gores likes the booze more than the Pistons. Just sayin....
When was the last time the NBA stepped in? Is it an actual possibility? Whom do we email to put this thing in motion?
Donald Sterling was forced to sell the Clippers 10 years ago
The Phoenix Suns owner was forced to sell 2 years ago
NBA forced the sixers to fire their GM sam Hinkie when the process began
No lottery luck, No free agents, No Hope
Literally just had the first pick
They won the lottery for Cade. Red Wings have had way worse lottery luck recently
@@JHockeyFanred wings have a real GM
@@jacklumsden7444 +1 spot in 17 lotteries total... Cade was the exception not the rule. The fact is this team has dropped 8 spots in 3 of the past 4 lotteries and missed out on Paolo, Wemby, Ant, LaMelo, Brandon Miller, Chet, Jabari, Murray, Scoot, among others who would've been much better fits than the players we ended up with.
They won the lottery, Weaver is just a horrible gm
I hate the injury excuse....every team deals with that....the team just doesn't have any heart
Season ticket holder here. Needless to say, I will NOT be renewing next year. It has nothing to do with bandwagoning. The team isn’t even competitive or fun to watch. I stuck by the Pistons in the early 80’s (when they, incidentally, had another long losing streak) and through the worst of the Teal years. It’s exactly like Mike & Rico said - the complete apathy from the ownership and the front office tells me they don’t care, so why should I?
On top of it all, it looks like our coach is trying to get fired so he can take that $73 mil and sit on his couch. Go back and watch those first three games. They played defense, they moved the ball, Monty staggered the rotations instead of bringing in 5 ice cold guys all at once. Now he’s got Jaden Ivey coming 10th off the bench, playing behind bums like Killian Hayes and JOE HARRIS, who couldn’t throw it into the ocean this season. Kevin freaking Knox was playing well, moved into the starting lineup, and now doesn’t see the floor. Monty didn’t even want to be here, but Gores offered him an unfathomable amount of money, so he took it. He said the other night that he’s learning that they can score if they space the floor better. THAT’S BASKETBALL 101! What do you mean you’re learning?!
It’s sad, because I do like a lot of the young guys on the team, but at this point I am rooting for them to lose just to draw more attention to this pathetic organization. I won’t blame any of the players when they inevitably ask for trades and become good, great, or even star players in another city with competent leadership.
Let’s see what they will do at the trade deadline then we can start this movement………
Clean house
Nothing wrong with forcing Gores to sell the team, but it may end up being the Pistons leaving Detroit....just beware that this could happen....
scared of this
Gores keeping the team may mean they leave Detroit. I believe he has his eyes on Vegas. With this level of incompetence, I'm watching the same amount of Pistons ball as I would if they didn't exist at all.
@@ec8107 yeah that's actually a great point. I didn't think of that angle. Good one. Yeah I'll be honest, I'm not on the inside of this situation. Just a person looking at it from afar.
He wouldn't dare take away a top 10 franchise in the history of the league that has been here since the 50s and move it somewhere else. No way.
Nah. The NBA owners have to stamp a relocation, and there’s no shot they let DET go to Vegas. They’re eventually going to expand, and 1 of the 2 will be Vegas. When Detroit is winning, the fans come out and support. They led the NBA in attendance for many years, were T3 for like 6-8 years in a row or something like that in the 2000, and during the Bad Boys era they crushed it…and the arena was in Auburn Hills.
Now they have one of the newest, nicest arenas in the NBA. Honestly as far as I know we still weren’t doing too bad attendance wise until it got beyond atrocious. They were still at least a little below average or whatever. If Gores put this team up for sale, it’d go for a ton of money, and there’d be plenty of buyers willing to keep it in Detroit.
Gores isn’t all that concerned with winning. It’s about the money, and even with them being so abysmal, it’s a money printing machine. I’m not sure about how the revenue splits are for non Red Wings and non Pistons games, but from what I can tell Illitch got an incredible deal with this arena. It cost like $863M+ to build, which is over $1B inflation adjusted.
It was supposed to be a whole entertainment district, as well as have offices, residential facilities, they were going to revitalize downtown. Hotels, restaurants, new retail outlets, on top of Olympia Development funding the refurbishment of public infrastructure around the arena district. Street lighting, sidewalks, pavement, all of that kind of stuff. It was supposed to be the flagship of a $2.1B bigger area with Comerica Park, (Tigers) and Ford Field all being connected with all of this new stuff that was going to be amazing for the city. Olympia Entertainment, Olympia Development, all owned by Illitch Holdings.
Illitch Holdings (Mike Illitch, pretty sure one of his kids runs it, he has 7 of them so it’s all nepotism obviously) owns Little Ceasars Pizza, the Red Wings, Motor City Casino, the Tigers, etc. Like I was saying about the sweet deal, there were A TON of public funds used for the arena/district. Illitch paid some, it was supposed to be like 50%…but it came wayyyy over budget (of course) so I have a feeling he only had to fork over like 25% or so at most. In the old arena which also had a massive amount of public $, there was revenue sharing for ticket sales, arena naming rights, all of that stuff. This time he gets to keep all of that. Little Ceasars signed a 20y deal at $6-$6.5M/y for the naming rights which is comical.
Of course all of the sports stuff got done, everything to do with the actual arena…but the promise of helping with other things to do with the city haven’t come to fruition, also shocking right. Anyway when the Pistons moved in, Illitch and Gores formed 313 Presents. Gores owns Palace Sports & Entertainment, Illitch owns Olympia Entertainment. Together they run and promote 6 different venues…Olympia owned Little Ceasars Arena, Comerica Park, and Fox Theatre…then PS&E owned Pine Knob, Meadow Brook Amphitheater, and Michigan Lottery Amphitheater (never heard of this one) but 313 Presents was formed as a condition of the Pistons moving from the Palace to LCA. It’s estimated that this company owns 44% of Detroit’s major entertainment venues in terms of seats. So it’s an absolutely massive business venture.
Needless to say, Tom Gores and Illitch are two peas in a pod. They are both making an absolutely obscene amount of money, and they don’t have to share a cent of it (at least any of the sports stuff, idk who gets the $ from concerts at LCA…you’d think the city would get some, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t get a single penny of anything) with the city even though they paid for the vast majority of the arena.
I went on a huge tangent here, but there’s billions of reasons why Tom Gores would absolutely never move this team. He has such an incredible deal here and a franchise with history. As I said it PRINTS money. And the arena is incredibly, incredibly nice to be fair. In 2018 it was named Sports Business Facility of the Year at the Sports Business awards. It’s been praised as one of the nicest in the league. At least they used all that tax money to make a nice arena I guess.
To be honest with you I don’t think we will see him sell the team, I just don’t. I hope I’m wrong, but he literally owns a business that’s portfolio includes a company that charges obscene amounts of $ for prison phone calls. He doesn’t seem to care about people, and he also believes he can do no wrong. He has gotten destroyed for years in the press and even some national media and groups for the prison business. He came out and basically said someone is gonna own it, I’d rather it be me (or his company whatever) bc I know it’ll be run ethically. He has a god complex or something, he gives off heavy evil supervillain vibes while being in a bubble.
Creepy guy. I think the only hope is that he drops a bag on the right GM and lets that person do his job, and it’s someone who’s actually good. I believe if the team was winning consistently he wouldn’t meddle. One big issue is Arn Tellem and his son though. That’s Tom’s guy. So he’d have to give full power to someone and power enough to get rid of that weirdo too. Maybe that’s giving Bob Meyers a long contract for like $12M/yr or something, idk. He made 8M in GSW, I think $12M would make him the highest paid GM which GSW wasn’t willing to do I guess. It says Pat Riley and RC Buford make $10-$11M as the highest paid guys.
Weaver probably only has a couple years left on his deal. His original contract was through 23-24, but it’s very possible 23-24 was a team option. It’s p common for deals to be 3-4y with another year that’s a TO. Weaver got extended going in to 22-23 IIRC, so it’d make a lot of sense if the reason he got extended was bc that was his final gtd year, and HCs/execs do not like being on the final year of their deal, it’s a thing. So maybe he raised his salary a bit, and guaranteed 23-24, and added a couple more years? Maybe his deal runs through 25-26? I doubt he makes more than like $5M/y or so, maybe $6M. So I could see Weaver getting canned after 24-25 with only one year left on his deal if things haven’t turned around yet, and I think that’s probably the only hope. He follows up his splashy HC hire with a splashy GM hire. Idk who that’d be…but if Meyers is available it seems like he’d be the big name with major success and by far the splashiest move.
So ya I don’t see this team moving, I don’t see him selling it either. I think the most realistic way is they hire a top tier GM and let him do his job, and we get lucky enough for that person to be competent.
✌️
At the 7 minute mark are my ears working correctly? Rico interrupted like he had some mind blowing stat just to say that since Thankgsiving Embid has had more 30 point games than the Pistons have victories? Then they reacted like that was earth shattering news or something as he smiled like he delivered the stat of the century. Does Rico literally watch no NBA ball? Embid had 40 last night and averages over 33 points a game. 30 is the new 20 in today's NBA.That was super cringy and bizarre.
I have to ask this for pistons fans since i dont watch them play, are you guys considering firing Monty? I get he's a first year coach, and the roster is horribly constructed but this is inexcusable on a historic level
78 million dollar investment.
Here here. Wizards finally began a long-overdue rebuild, and the Spurs got Wembanyama and will probably get more in the next draft. Pistons have no direction. 3 worst owners in the league are Dolan, Leonsis, and Gores.
Pistons have a chance to set an NBA record
No kidding good catch
maybe Gores can swap with Ishbia - he always wanted the Pistons and 'settled' for the Suns.. and got a WNBA franchise as a bonus..so he may not want that deal any more w/o a significant sweetener
Ishbia who showed the wisdom to bankroll Mel Tucker? He's still a walk-on wannabe at heart, not much of an improvement.
For the ppl worried about relocation if Gores does sell, there’s no way. The NBA owners have to stamp a relocation, and there’s no shot they let DET go to Vegas. They’re eventually going to expand, and 1 of the 2 will be Vegas. When Detroit is winning, the fans come out and support. They led the NBA in attendance for many years, were T3 for like 6-8 years in a row or something like that in the 2000, and during the Bad Boys era they crushed it…and the arena was in Auburn Hills.
Now they have one of the newest, nicest arenas in the NBA. Honestly as far as I know we still weren’t doing too bad attendance wise until it got beyond atrocious. They were still at least a little below average or whatever. If Gores put this team up for sale, it’d go for a ton of money, and there’d be plenty of buyers willing to keep it in Detroit.
Gores isn’t all that concerned with winning. It’s about the money, and even with them being so abysmal, it’s a money printing machine. I’m not sure about how the revenue splits are for non Red Wings and non Pistons games, but from what I can tell Illitch got an incredible deal with this arena. It cost like $863M+ to build, which is over $1B inflation adjusted.
It was supposed to be a whole entertainment district, as well as have offices, residential facilities, they were going to revitalize downtown. Hotels, restaurants, new retail outlets, on top of Olympia Development funding the refurbishment of public infrastructure around the arena district. Street lighting, sidewalks, pavement, all of that kind of stuff. It was supposed to be the flagship of a $2.1B bigger area with Comerica Park, (Tigers) and Ford Field all being connected with all of this new stuff that was going to be amazing for the city. Olympia Entertainment, Olympia Development, all owned by Illitch Holdings.
Illitch Holdings (Mike Illitch, pretty sure one of his kids runs it, he has 7 of them so it’s all nepotism obviously) owns Little Ceasars Pizza, the Red Wings, Motor City Casino, the Tigers, etc. Like I was saying about the sweet deal, there were A TON of public funds used for the arena/district. Illitch paid some, it was supposed to be like 50%…but it came wayyyy over budget (of course) so I have a feeling he only had to fork over like 25% or so at most. In the old arena which also had a massive amount of public $, there was revenue sharing for ticket sales, arena naming rights, all of that stuff. This time he gets to keep all of that. Little Ceasars signed a 20y deal at $6-$6.5M/y for the naming rights which is comical.
Of course all of the sports stuff got done, everything to do with the actual arena…but the promise of helping with other things to do with the city haven’t come to fruition, also shocking right. Anyway when the Pistons moved in, Illitch and Gores formed 313 Presents. Gores owns Palace Sports & Entertainment, Illitch owns Olympia Entertainment. Together they run and promote 6 different venues…Olympia owned Little Ceasars Arena, Comerica Park, and Fox Theatre…then PS&E owned Pine Knob, Meadow Brook Amphitheater, and Michigan Lottery Amphitheater (never heard of this one) but 313 Presents was formed as a condition of the Pistons moving from the Palace to LCA. It’s estimated that this company owns 44% of Detroit’s major entertainment venues in terms of seats. So it’s an absolutely massive business venture.
Needless to say, Tom Gores and Illitch are two peas in a pod. They are both making an absolutely obscene amount of money, and they don’t have to share a cent of it (at least any of the sports stuff, idk who gets the $ from concerts at LCA…you’d think the city would get some, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t get a single penny of anything) with the city even though they paid for the vast majority of the arena.
I went on a huge tangent here, but there’s billions of reasons why Tom Gores would absolutely never move this team. He has such an incredible deal here and a franchise with history. As I said it PRINTS money. And the arena is incredibly, incredibly nice to be fair. In 2018 it was named Sports Business Facility of the Year at the Sports Business awards. It’s been praised as one of the nicest in the league. At least they used all that tax money to make a nice arena I guess.
To be honest with you I don’t think we will see him sell the team, I just don’t. I hope I’m wrong, but he literally owns a business that’s portfolio includes a company that charges obscene amounts of $ for prison phone calls. He doesn’t seem to care about people, and he also believes he can do no wrong. He has gotten destroyed for years in the press and even some national media and groups for the prison business. He came out and basically said someone is gonna own it, I’d rather it be me (or his company whatever) bc I know it’ll be run ethically. He has a god complex or something, he gives off heavy evil supervillain vibes while being in a bubble.
Creepy guy. I think the only hope is that he drops a bag on the right GM and lets that person do his job, and it’s someone who’s actually good. I believe if the team was winning consistently he wouldn’t meddle. One big issue is Arn Tellem and his son though. That’s Tom’s guy. So he’d have to give full power to someone and power enough to get rid of that weirdo too. Maybe that’s giving Bob Meyers a long contract for like $12M/yr or something, idk. He made 8M in GSW, I think $12M would make him the highest paid GM which GSW wasn’t willing to do I guess. It says Pat Riley and RC Buford make $10-$11M as the highest paid guys.
Weaver probably only has a couple years left on his deal. His original contract was through 23-24, but it’s very possible 23-24 was a team option. It’s p common for deals to be 3-4y with another year that’s a TO. Weaver got extended going in to 22-23 IIRC, so it’d make a lot of sense if the reason he got extended was bc that was his final gtd year, and HCs/execs do not like being on the final year of their deal, it’s a thing. So maybe he raised his salary a bit, and guaranteed 23-24, and added a couple more years? Maybe his deal runs through 25-26? I doubt he makes more than like $5M/y or so, maybe $6M. So I could see Weaver getting canned after 24-25 with only one year left on his deal if things haven’t turned around yet, and I think that’s probably the only hope. He follows up his splashy HC hire with a splashy GM hire. Idk who that’d be…but if Meyers is available it seems like he’d be the big name with major success and by far the splashiest move.
So ya I don’t see this team moving, I don’t see him selling it either. I think the most realistic way is they hire a top tier GM and let him do his job, and we get lucky enough for that person to be competent.
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Didn’t need to write a whole story about this.
Hooper's birthday = SELL THE TEAM
Chanting sell the team does nothing. You want to make a point? Don’t go to the games and don’t watch on tv. Zero fans and zero revenue would make a much louder statement. 100% fan boycott.
There’s already plenty of rich people with suites and courtside seats booked for years, and plenty of season ticket holders. That’s not realistic. Plus with revenue sharing and TV deal he’d get bailed out anyway. I agree he’s not selling the team either, but I agree with shaming him publicly and sell the team chants will do that. Maybe it’ll make him go and hire a highly qualified big name GM. He made an expensive splashy HC hire…maybe he decides to go pay Bob Meyer like $12M/y and makes him the highest paid GM in the NBA. Maybe Bob (or whoever it’d be) will then have enough power to make real changes.
I think that’s the most realistic path. Weaver can’t have more than like 3 more years left on his deal. If things don’t turn around by the end of next season, maybe he cans him and goes out and gets a rly good GM. Thats really the only way I can think of that this changes, bc he’s printing too much $ to sell.
His NY Knicks literally kick people out of the arena for yelling "sell the team". You can get kicked out.
SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!
They should play against the Harlem Globetrotters
maybe the plan is to move the team to vegas.
I cannot believe even a single fan is still turning up to these games, why subject yourself to that
If nothing happens the Pistons will lose the face of their franchise. Cade Cunningham ain’t signing a rookie extension with a team that don’t care. Why would he? It’s sad man. If Cade walks it’s definitely over for this franchise!
I’ll start here. Sell the team.
Pistons.....fans? uhhhh.....Which would you rather have? A.) Team moves to Vegas and wins a title 5 years from now. B.) Team stays in Detroit and keeps sucking for the next decade.
Team that stays in Detroit. I wouldn't support team anywhere else.
He aint going to Vegas lmao
I'm just echoing what other people are saying about Gores moving the team to a place where he can make more money off it. because he clearly doesnt care about team success. just business success @@bigfellamike1913
OUT OF BOUNDS Deeeeetroit basketball
Call up some g leaguers
Valenti u still talking about Tom Gore, when you're the one who wanted him to hire Monty Williams, put your focus on Monty Williams who's beefing with Troy Weaver about Jaden Ivy playing,MW,is the blame
Exactly
They stayed in Detroit cause of Gores...
This team will probably lose 75 games easily
This city is about to have the worst football and basketball teams in history because of completely inept ownership
To the dumpster…
I don’t think the pistons are an nba team anymore
Email sent. Sell the team!
Sell the team!!!!
What is with these shill writers? Such a joke.
Sell the team
Fire izzo and weaver. Two proud programs destroyed by two idiots with zero idea how to build a team in modern basketball
sell the team
Haha look pistons suck. But ricos Stat about embiid was pistons level trolling. He averages 30. He's played 6 games. They were all over 30. At least say 50
I totally agree! We the Fans feel that they don't care! Damn, Trade somebody! Do something to improve this weak ass team!