Valkyrae Reacts To The Menendez Brothers (True Crime)
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Rae: "I need to know. What does testify mean?"
Rae isnt that smart lol
@@ossysongs be quiet please
@@o.v8030 no i won't. Just speaking my mind lol.
@@ossysongs stop leaving hate comments all over the video weirdo
@@ossysongs why should you speak your mind if it’s just rude? That goes for everything in general. Have u never heard the saying “if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all” 🙄
The reason she tells the entire backstory is to give us an idea of these people and where they've come from. If I recall, she also tells the backstory of the victims. This let's you make a decision with *all* the pieces that lead up to the creation of these events and not just the pieces that surround the immediate case.
It's especially good to know the entire backstory when it comes to criminals or murderers who are a clear result of their upbringing or show signs as a child. It's interesting to see how their actions line up to their childhood.
That's why I love her videos. Knowing the history helps sometimes with different cases.
She goes overboard and gets way too pedantic way too often. This video should have been 40 mins tops
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 I personally prefer it that way. Who wants only half a story???
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 then don’t watch her? Like the other comment said, I prefer her style
@@rachaelmends3582 ???? Who says I am? This is the first time I've ever seen this particular true crime presenter and now I know I'll probably never watch her again. Is criticism just magically banned for some reason?
I personally really enjoy this way of storytelling. Yes, it is a lot of "unncessary" details, but i feel like that gives the viewers better insight into their minds before and after the crime, so i honestly think its great.
Rea is just bored lmao but im intrested in the story much more than her
i agree, it allows you to form your OWN opinion on the people, maybe learn about motives (in which other formats of storytelling wouldnt allow you to learn), and so on so forth. i agree :D if you like this, i recommend watching eleanor neale. shes really good with story telling and very delicate with every topic
Me too i enjoyed so much
I recommend Bailey Sarian she’s a lot more entertaining while talking about true crimes she also does her make up while talking about the crime stories she’s awesome!
And the people who watch her channel do it because they want to know those details of the people involved lives,
people want to know what lead up to it , in this case the parents were vary controlling and the brothers wanted them out of their lives, weather they were horribly abused or not they were tired of their controlling parents and decided they had to get rid of them.
I don’t understand why people are complaining about the amount of details and time bc a lot of the videos are 50 minutes or more anyways. I think this gives more insight into the minds of the murderers and victims more, plus the backstory of both, than any other channel Valkyrie watches. Much better than watching a boring interview tape for the whole 40-50 minutes. This type of video allows everyone to make a more informed decision/opinion on what happened, who was in the right/wrong, etc.
As Rae was saying it begins to feel too pedantic. Like I don't really care about these guys or their childhood honestly. After filling us in on how spoiled and rotten they were their entire lives for the third time it just becomes a bit much. I'm much more fascinated in the investigation of the murder or the interrogations than I am of the nitty gritty details of their High School years.
For the record, I don't mind watching this one through to get the full experience and Rae's reactions to it, but I just wouldn't seek out this channel's videos in the future is all.
@@sacv27 facts
Nah her reaction is just thoughtless, not much for a intelligent commentary
@@sacv27 I respect your opinion. I also like to see the investigation side of things but the tapes of interviews need more backstory to be interesting to me. My favorite crime channel atm is crime watch daily bc I think it gives a good balance between details/backstory and the actual investigation side of things.
@@sacv27 yeah so watch someone else if you don’t want that it’s a long time because it’s gonna go into detail
actually if a therapist or other psychological doctor is under the impression that someone is in danger by what their patient is saying, they are legally obligated to report it to police.
Yup, the only person who has to stay 100% confidential is a priest
@@dantelundell9386 Pretty sure they don't have to be if they don't want to though. They can choose to/have the right to to not reveal what they are told, but they have no document/law that I know of saying they have to be. If they hear something they don't like, pretty sure they can also report it without legal backlash. Might lose their priesthood though idk.
@@user-kn5hv4fy7b Nah priests take a vow to stay silent. They're legally not allowed to- atleast where I'm from. I can't speak for the States
@@dantelundell9386 it’s the same here, I’m pretty sure if priests reveal the things that have been confessed to them they can lose their license and the evidence actually can’t be used in court
Yeah safe guards it's a legal requirement
The fact that a lot of their family members agreed that they definitely know or think they suffered years of psychological and sexual abuse is enough for me to believe them, as well as how they spoke about their trauma. It's disgusting at that time and still nowadays men who get abused and suffer from mental health are not treated the same as women and aren't believed.
well i agree that it should be taken just as serious with men as with women as the victim but, if their father wanted them to succeed so badly, and had affairs whenever he wanted, i don't think this is a case of abuse, that defence always comes up in great detail, like the "wrath of Jodi" case, this happened that happened, he had anger issues, rapist, pedo etc.. I could be wrong, but the fact is that their therapist thought of them BOTH as someone with sociopathic tendences, and the story of killing your father or mother for power and or wealth goes back to ancient rome, yeah major incentive, couple that with the high likelyhood of 2x sociopathic tendency, yeah i believe their parents were killed in cold blood, and that all the abuse was a lie, an exaggerated idea they came up with, from their father merely pushed them to do better a little more than most parents.
@@gromswowguide7927 If it was purely for the money tho would they have been so excessively violent in the way that they killed them?? Tbh that, and the fact that 2 cousins testified and supported them, them apparently talking about some of the abuse as children, and the fact that their family members supported them, etc. makes me inclined to believe them.
I think that the wealth was an incentive, for sure. However, I do kinda believe their story. Perhaps it was a bit embellished for the sake of their defense.
Why wouldn't that have ever come up with the therapist then? The one brother had years of therapy even before the killings, yet it only came up when they were caught.
@@CLAIRE-_-. possibly not embellished. If you look into it online and not just from this video you'll see that In the first trial, there was testimony from family members, friends, teachers, coaches, etc who witnessed Jose and Kitty Menendez mistreating their sons. There were also medical reports from the childhood years of the brothers. These reports documented psychosomatic symptoms such as headaches and stomach pains for which no medical or physical reason could be found. Lyle wet the bed until he was 14 years old (a classic sign of sexual abuse) and a medical report from when Erik was six years old showed that he suffered an injury to the back of his throat that is consistent with sexual abuse. There were also psychiatric experts who examined them and testified. And In the second trial, most of these witnesses were blocked from testifying until the penalty phase, so the jurors never learned anything about it or the family dynamics until after the brothers had been convicted. David Conn also admitted on Larry King Live a few years before his passing that he was aware that there had been other sexual abuse allegations against Jose Menendez; Les Zoeller, who was the lead detective on the case, stated the same when he was investigating the case (before the brothers were even arrested). There was a lot of homophobia and re-victimization when the brothers (particularly Erik, who admitted to being confused about his sexuality) testified.
And the prosecutor and mayor(? I believe) at the time we're looking for a promotion and reelection respectively. And following the high profile acquittal of OJ these two were hoping that convicting suspects of this high profile case would earn them the brownie points they so desperately wanted.
@@shikamaru281281 It was court-ordered, the father made the son sign a waiver stating that the therapist could share information from the sessions with his parents.
I love Kendall Rae, I can't believe that Rae watched her video. I feel like there are two of my favorite different worlds colliding. I think Rae would love Bailey Sarian or Eleanor Neale, also Danielle Kirsty is really good.
I also recommend Bella Fiori, she is also very good with true crime and she is pretty popular.
RIGHT I SMILED SO HARD WHEN J SAW THIS😩😩
I got so happy!!!! I hope she'll watch more of Rae's true crime videos in the future
i love eleanor neale i hope she watches her!
Don't forget Stephanie Harlow
I watched both erik and lyle testify about their life at home (both about 3-4 hours) and it was absolutely horrific. I understand why Kendall would keep all of those details out but they are worth watching. I believe their story 100% and if anyone isn’t sure, watch their court case videos. But be warned, both videos are extremely graphic (more so erik)
@@madisyn7097 Idk I do think that if someone who’s not a pure blood killer would have that reaction to killing someone especially if it was out of defense
@@madisyn7097 I'm sure in that moment they were genuinely panicked and hurt, they were genuinely going through a mix of distress and relief from everything that they'd experienced in the Past.
They had years to practice lol. You gotta be a sucker to fall for that
@@tylergray1182 yes they had years to practice killing someone was who was raping them their whole lives. Boohoo poor rapists who died
@@tylergray1182 why do you not believe them?
I personally don't think Kendalls video goes into enough detail about all of the abuse. It doesn't show their pain enough. I do believe they were abused. I think it is horrific what they endured. I just wish they shot them when they were getting abused so the self defence would be clear. I think they killed them out of fear. They endured this abuse for years. Since they were 5 years old. I think they just had enough and felt like this was the only way to protect themselves. This was the 80s and many people didn't believe a man of high status could sexually assault his children and that his sons could be sexually abused. Which obviously discredits male victims massively. Im so glad they are reunited after so long.
I feel like Kendall’s video was very biased!
@@destinyann1016 it did feel that way to me. She was leaning much more into them being just bad kids who stole all the time
@@deadpoetstodd it’s such a shame I generally like her videos, and was excited when I saw this one pop up into my feed when she made it, but was very disappointed as somebody who has studied the case, and actually watched their trials + the documentaries. It’s just heartbreaking that many don’t notice the abuse and trauma and write them off as liars and bad kids. And probably will even more because of Kendall’s video.
@@destinyann1016 couldn’t agree more. There was no mention of any of the abuse starting since they were actual toddlers. No mention of Erik confiding in his cousin when they were children (I think it was cousin correct me if I’m wrong) which the cousin felt extremely guilty about on the stand. No mention of other family members testifying that they saw little things that the father did. It was such a shame. It felt to me that she just threw in the idea of the abuse when that was the whole reason why this case is so controversial.
I agree! There was so much details missing but like since you can see Rae was getting bored and a lot of people in the comments getting bored it makes sense for this video to be a bit shorter than a full blown analysis? But like I mean there are clearly many people getting bored so I do think this is a good amount of info. Like for me I was really invested so it was enough to make me satisfied but not make me too satisfied. So yeah its difficult balancing this but like with the amount of people she needs to satisfy is impossible. Its impossible to make everyone happy with something.
As someone who enjoys watching crime commentaries, those details are an important part of the story. At least if you're at all curious about why they ended up committing the crime. I'm interested in the beginning, not just the end.
@@kyitty I was stating my own opinion. K? Have a nice day.
@@simisim0566 I completely agree I wish Rae had been more sensitive in the way she keeps saying things like "But why do we need to know this" and "unnecessary details" because true crime influencers have to find a way to connect the dots about why people kill. And it also pays respect to the victims to tell their back story they weren't just a murder victim but their own persons as well.
Exactly bc the point is to understand why they would do this to prevent it in the future or see warning sides and keep urself safe
whenever a patient is talking about hurting themselves or hurting other people, doctor-patient confidentiality pretty much flies out of the window. because they were talking about the fact they had hurt other people, the doctor almost had to record and report it to police in case the boys decided to do it to someone else.
I wish that she hadn't just said that the sexual abuse was ignored in the second trial. The sexual abuse line of defense was not allowed in the second trial. With that the judge (the same judge who allowed it in the first trial) decided before deliberation that the jury wasn't even allowed to consider self defense as a justification, after the defense made their whole case around self defense. I feel that is super important to note.
And she talks about how the boys never had to take responsibility for anything when according to their testimony their father was horribly cruel towards them at home for any failure and saw it as a bad reflection on himself. I know there’s a debate over whether or not their accusations are true, but I wished she would’ve worded it differently.
Something I want to mention about the case is the abuse evidence there was naked photos of the boys in the house and like 51 witnesses, scars on their bodys and a lot more. Also that they DIDN'T KNEECAP their parents, if you look at the photos of Jose and Kittys bodys or look at the court vids, you can tell that they didn't kneecap them.
i don't like how she doesn't go into details and explains what they went through and the reason why they did what they did. that's why i watched the documentary and it tells you everything. the menendez brother's story was really heartbreaking to hear. i do believe their story till this day. you can also tell when they were crying on the stand, that it was real emotions. and them having the boys not to speak about their sexual abuse in the second trial just proves to us that they would of won the case and go freely. they even wouldn't let any witnesses on their side testify either. i was pissed as hell when that happened. the whole documentary pissed me off.
Where can you find the documentary at? Netflix?
Like what happen to boys is horrible but they shouldn't go freely at all sorry... They killed their parents in a horrific way and the money is still 100% a motive, also if you are been abuse doesn't give you a free pass to commit murder
Also them been caught lying before also it isn't self defence at all sorry
@@GuiRock257 if my parents did to me what their parents did to then I'd probably do the same. I'm sure Alot of ppl would agree.
i agree with rae for the most part. i think they had definitely gone through so much in their lives and had trauma from it. i don’t think it was self defense tho just bc of how they committed the act. i think it was revenge and resentment.
the unessesary details actually show you more in depth what type of people these murderers were. its like watching a movie where they show the backstory of the character
I don’t think you can have an opinion based just on this video, I was very disappointed that She went more into Jose and kittys backstory instead of touching base on all the abuse these boys endured and the proof the boys had to defend themselves and prove self defense. I feel like Kendall’s video was biased and it was very obvious. I feel like to truly understand you have to watch the trials
This video is pretty old she’s gotten better since
@@randomguy1964 I wrote this comment 4 months ago when this video was real see
“Does she have all this memorized” watch her eyes, Rae! Don’t be fooled! 😭😭
Edit: Note: her eyes do move a lot telling the story, yes. But she’s looking down to the bottom right of the screen as most of the spots of looking
Seems she didnt really vibe with Kendall, but it's an interesting case anyway
such a shame! i adore kendall a lot. hopefully rae eventually finds a channel she can vibe with completely!
@@kuilan3395 i know :,( i think she doesn’t like her because she doesn’t want all the small details
@@caspenmoment she needs to react to Mr.Ballen i see so many people turning to him.
@@gloomydolleyes yessss!! MrBallen is one of my fav story tellers!
@@gloomydolleyes TRUEE
I 100% believe their story, in all of the pictures of them with their father he had his hand on questionable areas on Lyle's body.
If the client is in danger of harming others or themselves I’m pretty sure there’s a thing about that. Especially murder :/
yes, there is, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, etc.. all make sure to tell their patients, as well. If they deem something you tell them as being possible harm to their patient or people around them, they are legally allowed to break their confidentiality and get proper authorities, or medical involved
Nobody is in danger if they are already dead
Accully only for self harm. They cant say anything unless there is proof. Like blood on your clothes, or anything like that
Love getting the notifications for these
I feel like if their FAMILY members stand by them despite being the parents siblings and parents (so the boys grandparents and uncles/aunts), there must be something to the abuse story?
But it feels like their motives for the murder leans more towards revenge and resentment than actual self defence if it is all true
i love listening to extra details because i feel like it rlly gets to people’s emotions
Life without parole is pretty fucked for a case like this. I think they’re guilty of murder, but I don’t think it was the type of killing that deserves punishment forever.
For me the answer is in the murders themselves. If the boys just wanted to kill their parents for money they would have only shot them once or twice to get the job done. The fact that they continuously and violently mutilated their corpses even after death shows an explosive emotional response.
there IS a line where you can record or tell the authorities about your client's situation. if the therapist knows that the situation is dangerous for the client and/or the society(? then they have a right if not an obligation to tell the police, ambulance, whatever seems right, to take care of it. the therapist did good to record the session.
I agree with Rae that the TH-camr kept repeating stuff over and over and it kinda bothered me bc she left out some important details in favor of padding the video time with repetition and unnecessary details.
Ex:
In the first trial, there was testimony from family members, friends, teachers, coaches, etc who witnessed Jose and Kitty Menendez mistreating their sons. There were also medical reports from the childhood years of the brothers. These reports documented psychosomatic symptoms such as headaches and stomach pains for which no medical or physical reason could be found. Lyle wet the bed until he was 14 years old (a classic sign of sexual abuse) and a medical report from when Erik was six years old showed that he suffered an injury to the back of his throat that is consistent with sexual abuse. There were also psychiatric experts who examined them and testified. And In the second trial, most of these witnesses were blocked from testifying until the penalty phase, so the jurors never learned anything about it or the family dynamics until after the brothers had been convicted. David Conn also admitted on Larry King Live a few years before his passing that he was aware that there had been other sexual abuse allegations against Jose Menendez; Les Zoeller, who was the lead detective on the case, stated the same when he was investigating the case (before the brothers were even arrested). There was a lot of homophobia and re-victimization when the brothers (particularly Erik, who admitted to being confused about his sexuality) testified.
And the prosecutor and mayor(? I believe) at the time we're looking for a promotion and reelection respectively. And following the high profile acquittal of OJ these two were hoping that convicting suspects of this high profile case would earn them the brownie points they so desperately wanted.
And as far as "why didn't any of this come up sooner." How could the dad/mom get away with this for so long? The signs are there "the dad is ashamed of his heritage and being cuban" hints at being ashamed of bi/homosexuality and so he uses his boys. Dad has affairs that mom knows ab translates to she looks the other way no matter what he does. Dad constantly pays off everyone to maintain the image of his family and himself translates to him keeping the abuse under wraps for decades.
Should they have killed their parents?
No
Were their stories ab abuse from a young age true?
Emotional, physical, mental:
Almost definitely
Sexual:
most likely
Kinda messed up they weren’t allowed to bring up sexual abuse in the second trial.
IDK why people are complaining about how Kendall Rae does her videos or if there are "unnecessary" details when I think they are necessary indeed because you get to hear about both sizes and what comes to the point of the actions to some this helps people a lot more on the crime other things as well something about Kendall rae i love is she always or almost always has her pets in the video. also, i don't think she uses a script but she tries to remember what she can and you can see some edits which is probably from her looking at what she has and trying to remember whatever is next..I don't like how Valkyrea skipped some of the stuff like the money part that is important because it shows that maybe they could have killed the parents for the money or with them instead of getting that money they just spend it on a whole lot of stuff instead of reacting like how a normal person would act when their parents are dead. With them throwing the money around it shows us how they did not care for their parents at all. However, the way is acting in the video shows that people like her just use to hearing the crime and just a very very short detail of the crime and all that they are not use to hearing the background or anything that's in detail even though those are the most imported thing to learn in a case to understand the full picture some time you have to hear very detail
if y'all like longer true crime videos that go into the backstory i cannot recommend Stephanie Harlowe enough, she's 100% the best true crime youtuber
When clients confess to a crime, patient medical confidentiality falls. A doctor who knows that a person, for example, has killed another person and does not report him to the police, can be condemned as an "accomplice" (I put accomplice in quotes because I don't know if that's the right term). I don't know how legal it is to have a tape and / or someone out the door listening. Generally, if a psychiatrist / psychologist decides to record the session it is to take notes of the session at a later time, but I believe the recording is subsequently destroyed.
That's only true in some states because it is based on state law and case law. Also, I think the video said the tapes were inadmissible in court, but I'm not sure; this could be for another reason.
@@maxkrepps9474 Just because the psychiatrist's mistress (or whatever she was) said the doctor would use the tape to blackmail the client, and that he had no intention of providing any tape to the police. () I speak as a person who lives in a country that is not the US, but the law on certain things is similar everywhere.
@@ShadowSoul92 yeah, idk i just mean in the states, it depends on state law
Doctor Patient Confidentiality does not apply when a crime has been committed.
JCS would have summarized the backstory in 5 sentences, max.
Yup. way to much unnecessary talking.
In general i think JCS is by far the best out there.
Best editing, Best writing/script. Best narrator.
Always crisp down to the point.
I wish all of JCS content was still on youtube. About 50% are gone sadly.
Different type of content. JCS is about criminal psychology and interrogation analysis. This type of video is about telling the story in more detail that feels like you actually know the victims and murderers. It’s not for everybody, just watch the ones that are jcs type
@@hey_thankstommy5269 the JCS "type" videos mostly annoy me, because they are trying really hard to be like JCS. and all fail.
@@sam-psonsmith9951 it's still on his patreon. love that content even if he's not putting out new videos on patreon. the archives are worth it, since you can plegde 1$ a month and have access to it.
@@sam-psonsmith9951 Do you know why most of JCS' videos are gone? Are they still on his patreon? I would most definitely pledge JCS' patreon if I know how much video there are.
You mean to tell me Rae has been reacting to this shit for weeks now yet doesn’t know what the word testify means? Oh god 🤦🏻♀️
Idk her backstory but maybe her first language wasn’t English? My first language was Spanish but I speak English very well with no accent. I honestly would now consider it my prime language. Sometimes I forget words in English and have to ask my partner how you say whatever it is in English. Last week I forgot the word cabbage lol
she’s just weird at words sometimes 😂 she forget words most of the time and u can notice on her other streams she keeps looking for the right word to use :D
@@missspell4897 i think she only speaks english but yeah she isnt the brightest ?? with words dmcnnd
@pde544 okay dude 😆 it's not that serious.
@pde544 why r u so mad? get a damn grip
I hope she checks out MrBallen, he’s a fantastic story teller!
MrBallen is such a good storyteller it doesn't even matter what story hes telling, its enchanting everytime.
True!,
Found your channel through boze and I love Kendall Rae and her content so this was a treattttt
I can't even express how furious I am 😡😡after watching almost every testimony i can find of the menendez brothers, I mean it's been over 3 decades they are still in prison wtf!!!
How can they even be in prison man😔US law sucks how can they put rape victims in a prison what kind of law is this 🤷♀️atleast in other countries they dont throw rape victims in jail but ya some times those countries do fail to give justice to rape victims but here its even worse after suffering from years of torture now they are in prison and for what!? just because they had to killed those disgusting monsters for their own defense??
I mean ya there could have been other ways too to get away from those cruel ugly creatures but they were very young with no proper guidance from any one of their guardians throughout their life. Infact their own so called guardians were raping and abusing them soo it all makes total sense why and how they had to kill those demons like that.
It’s just a different purpose to the other videos. She tells the story of a criminals life. JCS and the like to a very focused deep dive into psychology. It’s definitely down to preference. I like both styles of crime content.
Kendall Rae! Omg I got so excited! Been watching her for quite some time, love her true crime videos, always has a lot of good information, including childhood, which I believe plays a massive part in people's lives. If Rae reacts to Bailey Serian as well, at least once, it'll be a cherry on the top 🍒❤
i’m so happy rae is watching kendall because her content is amazing . next, i hope she watches bailey sarien
"YeAH, bUt LiKe WhY iS tHiS NeCEsSaRy tO KnOw?" fucking cringed how she kept complaining about knowing the full backstory.
Ahhh I love Kendall Rae and I love valkyraes reaction vids!! So glad to see the worlds colliding
Some people like a lot of detail. It makes it a more interesting story than just hard cold facts with no emotion.
the only way I'd believe their things , is if they did not lie that much in the first place , I would side with them
A queen reacting to another queen!!!!! Yes!!!!
First time watching an hour long video and it was with rae ❤️❤️ coool
I've been watching the Menendez trials for almost three weeks now and seeing Rae react to this is gold. I didn't know she watches this kind of videos. Hehe.
a therapist can only break confidentiality if:
- the person is planning to hurt someone
- the person is planning to hurt themself
- the person gives permission
I’m so glad she talked about this case
I belive the brothers. And on their side
@@simonsrandomlife5446 I also believe them, I don’t know how people don’t believe them or how people aren’t on their side.
31:32 exactly the kinda commentary I came here for....she did not disappoint 😁
I definitely feel that the video rae watched was biased, she seems to be on the parents side because she doesn’t mention barely anything of the abuse the boys had been through
The dog in the back listening like she is telling it a bedtime story 😂❤
As a therapist, if your client confesses to a crime they can break confidality. Or if the client seems to be a danger to themself or others.
That sleeping dog behind her is so adorable
A therapist can break confidentiality under four circumstances. The first is if the client poses a danger to themselves or others. The second is if there's strong reason to suspect elder, child or dependent adult abuse. The third is when the client themselves requests it. The fourth, and what happened in this case, is when there's a court order like a subpoena.
Damn when she started describing their reunion after 22 years I teared up
All these people complaining about how long this video is, has short attention spans, but it’s nothing to be ashamed about, we all going to have it soon
I like the backstory being told as well because without it I would have definitely thought they killed the parents to get the money but with the backstory it also seems likely that they were abused especially given Jose's background
Exactly people are saying “to much information” like that information is important. Any little detail can change your view of things
I agree, but I think it’s important to mention the abuse before talking about the trial because it just feels a bit like Kendall is trying to say it was only for money and that I they were liars. It also doesn’t help that she was 100% biased throughout this video and got some of the facts wrong. She also did not go into the mothers involvement and yeah I just don’t think you can base an opinion on this video
Valkyrae: asking why these bois could be so chill after getting caught
Me: Did u seriously forget that they were never responsible for anything before? So ofc they'd be thinking it's the same with the judge.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet. A therapist whether a psychologist, counselor or a therapist of any kind can break the confidentiality agreement between them and their client in two instances. 1) if the plan or have caused harm to themselves. 2) if they plan or have caused harm to others.
For Lyle and Kyle the therapist is obligated by Law to report the crime the 2brothers committed.
34:45
Generally the line is drawn when someone is harming themselves or others, or are planning to hurt themselves or others
The cut bro out of the robbery Rae goes “fake friends” 😭😭
I think that they were never given any second opinion because U.S Americans at that time wanted to believe so strongly in the idea of the "American dream", that money would buy them happiness and confort that anyone would want, that kids should be happy with what they get regardless of any flaw in their parenting.
I’m not a social worker or therapist yet but from the classes I’ve taken already the only time a therapist can disclose what is talked about is if the client is a danger to themselves or others.
Honestly I prefer this true crime vids way more to the one guy that jokes and acts goofy while telling the story !!
True he kinda annoys me lol
She skipped over so much important stuff tho
@@lampwithabluelight she rlly did which kind of annoyed me, but didn’t rlly bother me since I understand as she just wanted to get to the good part lol
@@yaliaaaa. yeah, it's just annoying though because she gave so much Exposition on basically everything else was skipped over that one major fact. Especially when that fact is the whole reason the case is controversial
@@nocturnal1226 is it Mike from That Chapter? His documentaries are actually clean but his personality is a bit annoying i agree. I like Baily Sarian.
lmao that 500 dono didn’t even get a hint of acknowledgement.
The therapist (and any healthcare worker) is legally required to report if the patient has a plan to harm other people.
The line is when they have told the therapist something that has involved harm to themselves or others or that will involve harm to themselves or others. For example, if a patient tells their therapist that they've been thinking about shooting up a school, the therapist is obligated by law to report that to police. The therapist is not obligated to discuss their medical history or diagnosis unless they are subpoenaed and have to testify if in court. However, if the patient tells their therapist that they've had bad thoughts but do not elaborate, the therapist isn't required to do anything with it. It's more or less on the therapist at that time to dissect said thoughts further and determine if there is potential for serious harm or death to the individual or others. If the therapist determines it is something they can treat with more sessions or medication like schizophrenia then they have no obligation to report to the authorities. If, however, they determine what was discussed to be something they can prevent from happening that sessions or medication won't work, they are expected to report it to the police. In fact, therapists are supposed to tell you a version of this when you start seeing them. The quick version is "I'm here to talk with you about whatever you want, but if it's something that is a crime, I am obligated by law to report it to the authorities." Priests, though, because of laws protecting religion can hear a confession of any crime including murder and are expected to keep it a secret.
These are very interesting cases
Your IP is becoming very interesting to me, now keep it down kid
rae's "ok but why is this context necessary" really points to how sensational true crime channels can be, and why JCS is the best because they leave out unnecessary information
I ain’t peep the dog for a hot minute, adds cuteness
I actually like all the information
It depends on where you are, some places it is illegal to divulge patient information if you’re a mental health specialist specifically. Some places that applies ONLY to information that relates specifically to their health data, via HIPAA. Some places carve out exceptions specifically for criminal behavior. Some have no law regarding patient confidentiality at all, again, outside of health information. So, depending on where they could reveal anything that you say outside of like medical records, some places you can’t even acknowledge they’re patients… it really depends. Typically here the redder they state the more they’re bound by doctor patient confidentiality.
For the question that Rae had about recording conversations/when are therapists allowed to tell anyone, it's when the client becomes a danger to oneself or to another.
I can't help but replay her "wH0oAaah" at the start
I just love the dog
Rae didn’t know about the Mendez brothers on Tik Tok. Not all I can here is 🎶mama I’m in love with a criminal 🎶
As soon as she was like “it’s being a little dragged on” I went STRAIGHT to the comments
When i went to therapy it was explained to me that they were allowed to tell what you said if they believed you were a threat to yourself or others. That was along time ago though idk if laws have changed or if they lied to me or something. I was a kid and i refused to talk to them anyways.
Does Rae not realise all this time that the defense can make up whatever they want to win a case.
Literally anything they want. Especially if the people they're telling the lies on are dead. They can't defend themselves.
But their family members testified that they have witnessed the sexual behaviours too
@@alarakentel6698 this is what made me sad about this video, this video didn’t showcase the countless family members, friends, and even a damn lifeguard who worked with the boys when they were younger who all testified saying they witnessed many counts of abuse or showcase how the prosecutors constantly made homophobic comments towards them to discredit there sexual abuse.
yeah but there was still testimony from other family members and the cousin who said that one of the two brothers spoke out about the sexual abuse years prior to the murder of their parents, also you can see Erik having actual nervous tics during the trial, one would have to be a really good actor to fake that. In addition to this they apparently couldn't fake the crying at their parents' funerals but they cried very realistically whilst speaking out on the abuse during the trial.
There's literal evidence of the abuse
This reminds me of Melanie Martinez's song Dollhouse
I love Kendall Rae's videos sm!
Kendall is my favorite true crime teller
It is legal to express concern if your client is homocidle or suicidal when going to therapy. Therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists have the legal right to tell police if their patient is a danger to themselves or others. (This can include drug addiction if the patient is a minor or in serious danger, but drug addiction is less likely to be reported than murder, suicide, etc.)
The client confidentiality is they wont say or do anything unless you are hurting someone or yourself, planning on hurting someone or yourself, have already hurt someone or yourself. Or if someone is trying to hurt you or someone else or has already. So what the therapist did was not technically illegal, because it went in line with the rules on confidentiality
Confidentiality only applies when it does not conflict with the safety of a person or persons or the admission of a felony crime... from what I remember. Many mental health professionals also record all their sessions for notes and records, so there's that.
That doggo is a very chill doggo 12/10
I remember my therapist telling me that she is allowed to once i start "showing signs of hurting myself or others" like if it ever got that serious
I say guilty. The movie script that mimicked the murder, the father being known as a womanizer (not gay or pedo), no mention from the therapist or friend of the 2 saying they were abused, the fact that they were adults when commiting the murders (they could've easily just run away with their money or punch the dad when he tried to rape them), and the fact that they got someone to delete the drive with the will in it.
Even if they were abused, fact of the matter is they were not in mortal danger. They didn't retaliate out of fear for their lives, but out of revenge, out of anger, and/or to get rich.
I hope Rae reacts to a video from Stephanie Harlowe next, she always has such good videos and just the right amount of sass whilst staying respectful
I believe at least where I am from, Doctors are bound by confidentiality unless the client discloses information or intent to harm/kill themselves or others. However this is where they would get the police involved or section them under mental health acts.
I love Kendall she’s my favorite true crime TH-camr and with Rae’s commentary 100x better!
It is illegal to record the sessions if the client doesn’t know however therapist and psychologist are only allowed to say something or tell someone when a crime has taken place or if theu feel that the person is actually going to do physical harm to themselves or others.
i believe they are guilty of the crimes but in a way, i believe that they were abused by their father. not saying this generally, but rich families especially back then we’re made to look perfect in the public eye but behind closed doors, things were going on. in no way i’m defending them because when u commit a crime, u know how much trouble you could be in, but i do believe that they were abused physically, mentally and emotionally by their parents
It depends on where you are or which therapist you see because certain therapist will record your session and will let you know ahead of time that they are recording your sessions for research purposes and they will ask your permission if they can use your recording of the session to teach the students that they are training. Yes patient confidentiality is a thing but it is not illegal for them to record your sessions with them. But what is legal if they show your sessions to somebody else without you signing up right documentation so make sure you read Through all the documents they give you before going to therapy.
OMG I LOVE KENDALL
rae is too used to jcs where its heavily biased and undetailed. psychology is to understand why, learn about the human mind and thinking process. thats why every detail is important. loved this way more than jcs
HA, she left out some of the most important details while reiterating the same point over and over again about them being thiefs and never taking responsibility
@Jersey Boy I was talking about the psychology, not the result. They're human not monsters
clearly you know nothing about psychology and how it intersects with police interrogations. no actual psychology was included in the analysis conducted in this video, its simply behavioral observation.
I’m so glad she chose to watch Kendall Rae. She deserves the recognition. She has helped true crime in so many ways
Also therapists are mandated reporters. If you threatened to kill yourself or someone else or have killed someone, you can report them to the police. And I think different states can record therapy sessions but idk if they can do it without the patients knowledge.