Definitely a feature. You also spend less on electricity, and since energy costs are through the roof, Giga-Chad are doing us all a favor by writing 6950 XT on the card but have it perform like a 6800 non XT. You get the E-Peen status of having a monster GPU without having to pay $100 a month in electricity. We all win!!!!
For maximum hilarity, you should put those in a custom T-72 Tank case with a custom radiator mount on top of the turret to serve as the cope cages. Perfect meme build I'd say.
@@HaikuOezu with no apparent way to contact them. In a span of 1 week, MSI received/test/replace/send the replacement when i had a defective motherboard
Coil whine is some what common. I had a ton of brand new cards with coil whine and the manufacturers never would do much about it. Although gigabyte is trash
My bet is that one of the onboard fuses or MOSFETs are bad. It's probably only pulling power from 2 PCIe connectors, thus it can't scale up to full power. I'd be interested to know if you tried the FUSION OC scan tool at all.
I'm so glad you've stumbled on this issue. Imagine being a regular consumer and getting a kneecapped card, no doubt Gigabyte would just tell you to pound sand. Keep on the heat, that's a lot of money to pay to not get full performance.
Considering that this is Gigabyte, with its infamous revision-prone history, i thought that they might have more than one revisions of this model shipping out to reviewers and customers already.
I recently had a stunningly similarly bad experience with their Waterforce X 360 AIO: after 2 weeks of firmware (via SD Card) and software (Fusion RGB) updates, including using different USB cables and motherboards / OS installations, I could not get the screen to display anything other than the stock startup image. For a premium, high-end custom LCD AIO that I wanted to use to display temps, this was the last straw. I don't know what's going on over there, but all the support I got was terrible and they clearly either did not read what I had written or did not care. I never got it to work (I have over 20 years in PC sales and service, repair, build and upgrade experience) and returned it, along with a 3080 Waterforce GPU and a Z590 mobo. I really wanted Gigabyte to pull through, but they forced me to go back to ASUS. Say what you will about Armoury Crate, but it actually works with their own products and doesn't require weeks of QA testing on my part to make their ecosystem work. This was a client build and I nearly lost a significant custom build sale over it. They wasted my time and money for the final time.
my 6900xt waterforce card has some weird T-Junction issues and other performance related BS, however, when it does behave it's a highly capable high performing card. When I first got it I bought 3dmark and got the card into the top 25 for port royal, on WC alone. it's a highly capable card, however it's very temperamental. but over all my issues with gigabyte just haven't subsided and it is what it is. they make a few good products and a few products you might wish were better.
I always only buy ASUS, they are always very nice and their products are well priced and perform very well! If there is a problem they will instantly try to help you figure out what's wrong, KEEP IT UP ASUS!
@@lnfinyx Ironically, the ROG Strix lineup from Asus is almost always more expensive than all the other brands, doesn't matter if its mobo or GPU. However, it seems like you pay a little more for a lot more stability and higher quality hardware components.
My own experience with gigabyte is just a couple of motherboards and those seem quite solid at least? At this point tho I would be wary of any of their other products after reading about so many issues there..
I had a 1080 Ti from Gigabyte and it went into flames in my case 4 months after the launch of the 30 series from Nvidia. No cards were available at non-stupid price so I had to fall back to my RX 480 8 Gb from MSI. I could be stuck with a lot worse but I'll never buy another graphics card from Gigabyte, NEVER. It's been more than 1 year and it still hurts, damnit. I'm glad my RX 480 is still a trooper, I still max out some games at 1440p but its days are counted. It's been overclocked for more than 5 years. It will celebrate its 6th birthday this summer. One hell of a graphics card I tell you. Best PC purchase ever.
I have one gtx970 with completely burned hole through PCB, also Gigabyte card. And it wouldn't be nothing special to talk about, mosfets die and sometimes card end up like that (decent brands will include fuses on board to prevent that but that's another story). Problem was that that was not main power line, you can expect something like that on Vcore but in this case problem was on f. logic 5V rail, rail that have maybe 100mAh draw and it's cool and not under any pressure (most card from that era use simple linear voltage regulators anyway for it). But Gigabyte find a way to screw even that up and use obvious reject parts
They send out 390w review samples to make the card look good on reviews then send the retail cards out limited to 290w to reduce heat and RMA. They accidentally sent you retail unit and 7 people at gigabutt are now under investigation for screwing up their evil plan.
The fact that majority of us stress test our new builds and monitor temps and power draw during it… it’s rather impossible to get away with that! That’s a massive lawsuit waiting to happen!
I realize this is probably sarcasm, but in case it's not, they publish the specs for the card and a line-topping card is going to attract some serious enthusiasts who are going to take mere minutes to spot the problem. It's not like it's remotely difficult to know how much power your video card is drawing in 2022. There's definitely something wrong with that card, as another person pointed out probably failed mosfets. When he increased the power limit to 120% it should have drawn about 58 more watts. In reality, he was only drawing an additional 14 or 15 additional watts, so something is broken in that card. I'm just wondering why Gigabyte didn't just suggest this immediately after ruling out configuration and setup issues and offer to swap out the card. Sure, they might screw around with average customers, but they know this card is part being reviewed by somebody who is going to sell T shirts with whatever he names their card printed on them.
@@chrispeters8555 i mean, its not the first time it happened that cards with special bioses to look better/binned cards got send out to testers and reviewers LOL
in March i finally get my Gigabyte 3060 Eagle, the sound of coil whine so bad, the build quality so bad because when i take my 3060 on my hand the body sound "kwerk krekk", and last the LED on my card so weird , i think my LED is leaking because some color blend randomly feel so bad, now i change my card to colorful, and no problem happening like in my Gigabyte
I remember talking about Tech Testers on a live stream we did a couple years ago haha small world. I hope you can solve this problem with Gigabyte. Take care man 💪🏻
Hi Dawid, Gigabyte (Aorus) 6900XT owner here, Noticed similar low power draw with mine (300W), In the end I just used a little application called 'More power tool' to override the limits and was able to get it to go all the way up to 380W.
1: I follow Techtesters for few years now. Very different presentation to your channel for sure, but she is pretty awesome and one of few tech channels I follow. 2. Three things come to mind as for possible realistic reasons for this eh situation. a) Bad card. b) bad cables. c) bad capacitors. Good luck.
its either bad caps or bad power delivery components (chokes, inductors, etc.). If it was a bad card, then its questionable how it ran consistently with same results. Bad cables have already been ruled out, as dave replaced every single component in the test bed, even power supply cables.
I’m really surprised Gigabyte hasn’t just sent out a new card and had Dawid return that one. He’s literally already done all the troubleshooting. Doesn’t make me confident as a consumer that if a popular tech reviewer can’t get good customer service on a product the company literally sent to be reviewed, what chance do regular buyers have?
That type of data being requested by a contact and HQ suggests something is very wrong somewhere. I'm guessing they'll be setting up a bunch of cards with the same configurations to test stuff on.
@@MandoMTL If there is no underlying hardware flaw I can see a BIOS update in the future to fix the issue. A bit like with the RX 580 where they managed to stay in PCIe specs by loading the rails differently, done through an update, at no performance cost.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I love sapphire with my whole heart, they make, beautiful well performing cards, and the innovation is honestly very nice, look at the 6950xt with an rgb header on it to sync your system instead of shitty software 🙂
290W on the reporting means the card is using a total of 340-350W. The reporting in the top left you see, the software reading is GPU power only. Not GPU + VRM losses + VRAM. Your 6950 XT used 340-350W in testing.
Been a follower of Techtesters for quite a while and Nada knows her stuff! So I'm not at all surprised she helped you out with the bios as she has always been polite, professional, smart, amusing and extremely likeable in her videos.
6900XTXH owner here. Enable ReBAR, try to overclock your card running SuperPosition (this should trigger other "state" - that is diferent from gaming), check for changes. Keep in mind that overclock (Core) add voltage by itself - similar to how Vega56/64 work. If this fails, increase voltage offset via MSI AF (voltage reading may not be possible/wrong - power should Change regardless) If you ever get to read this comment, say something. "Core" voltage have implications on Mem. Voltage too - or so we think (XTXH variant have Mem clock unlocked)
I've owned numerous gigabyte products over the years and have had mostly positive experiences but recently had to replace a z390ud mobo because it wouldn't allow me to enter bios, was really strange, i tried all the usual suspects but even after full reflash and cmos battery replacement lol it would lockup every time. Replaced with an msi mortar and haven't had any issues.
Wait, MSI has become better nowadays? The last one I had had a RAM slot die at random, while my Gigabyte boards are running for years rock solid. Guess every company has a bad day. And then there is obviously Asus who for whatever reason has to name everything differently and make things super complicated.
I do commend GB for sending you the card and corresponding with you somewhat openly thus far. The four day wait isn't pleasing, but in corporate world time that isn't terribly long or drama inducing just yet. I hope to see some kind of meaningful resolution.
I'm saddened that whenever I hear about a Gigabyte product, there's a big problem with it. They're meant to be a big player in the space, but it seems they're struggling.
hmmm I've had some issues with gigabyte in the past but only really one actual brick (An aorus card that wouldn't stay stable). Other than that, i've had good luck. One had a wire that I had to push down that was getting hit by a fan xD that was a bit silly. My current card is a 6900 xt windforce and it's running pretty well for the most part.
Seems like they under planned the power delivery system, most of brands use mutiple supliers of the same components to increase suply, probly one of the supliers didn't meet demand for the PD of the card and it now it phisicly can't reach its full potential
This happened to me. Got a new 6950 XT. Ran a few benchmarks and played a few games. Then i started tinkering in the driver and the card got stuck in 290w mode as in the video and performance went down hard. But after resetting everything and starting over setting power limit to +20% performance was back and the card was sucking down 340w. 🤷♀😁
Couple of things I've been meaning to ask you.. What happens to the pre builts you've bought over the years? And making a video where you have a choice of components, and your cat (Neko?) picks them.
That would be an amazing video. It's officially on my list :) as for the prebuilts, we keep them around and salvage them for parts for future videos :)
@@AnnaDoes Does Dawid have some kind of sarcastic label for this storage space? Or does he just call it storage for old prebuilds or something? I really enjoy the videos, thank you so much.
All the Gigabyte dissing aside, please keep us updated Dawid! It would be interesting to see if anything happens or if someone figures out what's wrong here.
when you show the temps on your softawre, it Show "RX 6600" for your 6950xt, the problem seems to be with one of the component of the card if Gigabyte used a 6600 component (if it is the real temp of the card on your screen and not a screen fro manother card)
@@DarkoPetreski In that case, There maybe a part 2 incoming, Its possible that Gigabyte used rx 6600's components for their 6950xt to make the production cheaper, that would not be the first time that they made that kind of crap (like their PSU lol)
@@weatherdream7343 it's a new card, I think hwinfo just didn't display the name correctly. It's gonna get patched out. But the whole power limit thing is pure gigabyte incompetence, I agree there
I guess it identifies as "RX 6600 family", like their cards tend to do. I still have an old HD 7770 here, that calls itself "HD 7700 series", despite there also being a HD 7730, 7750 and 7790, all with quite substantial differences in performance to each other.
Software reported power on AMD cards is Core only, not total board power. My (reference) 6900xt shows 255w for example. You need to measure power with a PCAT or similar type device to see total board power on AMD cards, which will give you the 380w figure.
@@photonboy999 I mean its not massively behind, and at 1440p i would expect it to be about the same as the nvidia card, on average, across a number of games. Also, i dont know if that watercooled 90Ti is perhaps going to perform better than a reference card, giving it the edge? However its possible Dawids maybe gone off down a rabbit hole trying to troubleshoot the power issue that wasnt actually an issue, and as a result hasnt spent time looking for the real problem.
What actually happened: Gigabyte boss: lets send some influencers graphics cards! Employee: ok Boss: you didnt send the retail one, right? You send the overclocked fake 6950xt that the reviewers have to get to review it differently Employee: **chuckles** i am in danger
Hey there, wanted to mention i had a 6900xt Sapphire Toxic liquid cooled card rated at 400watts, that only pulled 290 watts, and was extremely inconsistent in gaming perfomance, with frequent stutters in most games. After 1 month of troubleshooting, the only way to increase power usage was using third party software, and even then it was still inconsistent ingame... I sold said card, bought a 10gb 3080, and virtually everything runs perfectly now🙃. AMD sort of lost my trust with their GPU's as I've read that many others had similar power consumption issues, or even stuttering issues.
I was having this exact same issue on my RX 6950 XT Nitro+. Hard stuck on 290 watts. Turning V-sync off in games fixed the issue for me. Now I get 350/360 watt usage and A LOT more fps. V-sync seems to severely limit the card
Since were with TechPowerUp already, they also have a BIOS Database (where you can even look at stuff like clock speed and Power limit handily next to the downloadable file) and uploaded their 2 BIOS' of this card and both show a max TDP of 289W for 0D62 (Quiet) and 0D63 (Default) Unless i missed something it really appears as if 289W is intended... No that can't be when 380W versions exist... Perhaps there's different revisions? Could you get in touch with all the reviewers you mentioned and ask them to look at differences in numbers etc. on their PCBs vs. yours? Maybe that'll show something? I also looked at some retailers and none of them were given TDP numbers (at this point in time) which is also unfortunate since other brands like Powercolor and Sapphire clearly state them. That also brought me to the Xtreme Waterforce edition of the 6950XT, we should compare it's BIOS and Power limit too, i'll do that right now. Edit: Nope Couldn't find anything about the Waterblock version yet... Also about the drivers i'm not so sure if downgrading is the best idea here since only the latest WHQL version officially supports the xx50 refresh.
Mate that does not explain why it's slower than a normal 6900XT. His card can't draw the "right amount" of power while at the same time giving less FPS.
I'm just guessing here that the 380W version is the "review model" and the 290W one is the retail model. Looking at techpowerup 289W is indeed the limit set in both BIOS they have archived there. And while at it I looked at the 5 GB RX 570 models for someone in a different comment, and they have that card set to 90W, while most other cards are running 120-125W I mean, I would have no issue if they make it a less power hungry model, but they have to declare that properly. Having a full power space heater model, and a more efficiency focused one isn't a bad idea. But saying one thing and doing the other is just bad.
As with all your videos, while I don't get most of your technical jargon and watch for your reaction and comments, I am proud I got your "sounds like a Geiger counter near the elephant's foot" reference.
I sold my soul to AMD 10 years ago, and to me, anything else than Sapphire for AMD gpu's has never been an option. Their quality and performance never fail. I've never trust any of the other manufacturers. Gigabyte makes decent mobo's for Intel tho.. i guess..
I had an RX 6600 XT Gaming OC from Gigabyte and it was also a nightmare. It had an insanely bad stuttering problem and I did everything you did in this video and more to fix it and nothing worked. I concluded that I just got a really bad "silicon" and sent it back to the store and they gave me my money back after testing. After all I had been through, I just came to the conclusion that AMD has a lot of problems with their software and you needed to do a lot of tweaks to make their GPU work correctly, so in the end, I put some more money in to get an RTX 3060 TI and I couldn't be happier. It was my first AMD GPU, so, I don't know if my experience was bad because of them or GIgabyte, but in the future, if I don't hear anything about their software getting better (I had a lot of problems with SAM and other things), I'll probably stay with NVIDIA. The RX 6600 XT had a great performance BTW. Only the constant stutterings were a no-no for me. 1% lows were in the 7 to 13 fps range, making it impossible to have smooth gameplay.
Asked Gigabyte support to tell me the Thermal Pad sizes for my GTX 1080... they replied with: "That's corporate secret" ... no, it's a part of the cooling solution.
At that point might just measure it out yourself. Or well, ask them how much they want for replacement pads, because if it is so secret, they obviously should have more in stock.
@@HappyBeezerStudios i did... Problem is that after years of compression the pads will not regain their original thickness... so it was a vague guessing game to get the thickness. And yes no, they didn't even sell replacements... they just was like: "or you buy a new card"
“ A geiger counter near the elephants foot“ you’re funny and random comparisons is probably the reason I like your most. Most people probably don’t know what that is though.
It sounds like there's a problem with power delivery and it's probaby a hardware fault on the GPU PCB. You could still try daisy chain 2 different output PCIe PSU cables into a PSU adapter cable and do this for all of the GPU power slots. Fixed a similar issue for me once.
You should have tried a Gigabyte powersupply, not because it would fix things but it would prbably have been a nice fireworks display! 😂 Something tells me Gigabyte have no intentions of getting to the bottom of this, that fits their business model if you ask me... 🙄
Last week I picked up a Gigabyte 6900xt Gaming OC card. I was getting repeated "Wattman" crash errors in games (Defaut OC/lastest firmware, bios etc.) and also a low power draw. Note - I was running 3x pcie power cables and not pig-tails off of my Corsair RX1000w. With that all being said, it eventually lead to hard freezes and artifacting. Elden Ring would freeze within 5sec of loading into the world with black squares popping up all over the screen and Overwatch/Mafia 1 remake was crashing with long white lines appearing on the screen. I returned the card, WONT buy Gigabyte again because I am guessing that the GPUS got the same special treatment as the failing PSUs and I picked up a gem - XFX 6900xt Speedster Black with no issues.
That's not how this works. It's the same damn chip i.e. navi 21. It'll consume as much power as you feed it. Gigabyte messed up somewhere in the board design.
AMD cards don't report the power they are really using. Make sure your not compairing your results to people with HARDWARE readouts from Clamps and the like. For example the 6900XT reports 255W power when its actually drawing about 300W
That's right, but it doesn't explain the problem, since there are other RX 6950 XT for comparison, where the consumption is displayed up to about 400 watts. With the 6950 XT you have to add about 30%. However, this gigabyte card is stuck at 280 watts (+ approx. 30% in real). Something is wrong with the input supply. Unfortunately, this cannot be measured exactly with AMD, since there is no complete measurement control of the individual parts, as with Nvidia Cards.
Gigabyte cheaping out on power delivery on their graphics cards? Never! It's not like they've ever underspecced components before. It was perfectly normal to put an underrated SMD fuse on their GTX 1070's that would blow at 101% power draw rendering the card useless and needing warranty repair... twice.
This is not the first time that graphics (or motherboards, and especially the most famous power supply) from Gigabytes "break down" in testing. There's a lot of that on TH-cam. As for me, if I buy a computer component, their products doesn't exist for me.
@@harrywilson7980 ironically I own an Aorus Pro MoBo, but it is only because of the solid VRM performance it offered. I doubt I will ever buy a Gigabyte monitor or GPU.
You are supposed to use a Power Measurement Device, not use MSI Afterburner for the wattage draw. Not to mention that if the card is drawing 290 watts from the PCIE power cables it is also drawing 75 watts from the PCIE slot. so add 290 plus 75 gets you an estimated 365 watts. and if you raise the power limit you get around 375 watts.
That would make sense if performance wasn't impacted, which it is, and if there wasn't another case of it throwing up a max of 290w despite the card in another test showing 390w. Not to be a sarcastic prick but outside of a case of Schrodingers' wattage, seems more likely to be a manufacturers problem when they don't even know what's up, and didn't just say what you did. If 300+ through MSI Afterburner isn't in spec even under overclock then I doubt Gigabyte would need more than an hour to reply unless they're just really shit at CS.
Well, look on the bright side, Dawid. At least this particular Gigabyte product power-related issue didn't involve anything bursting into flame.... ...oh god, I've jinxed it, haven't I?
from the coil wine and low power figures I am guessing a few bad vrms dropping the power to the gpu lowering performance being the issue good luck figuring out which ones are bad though👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff aint nothing wrong with ur card my dude 289watt is just the chip power draw amd power sensors can only show chip draw and not whole card draw. Hook up a wireviewer and watch the wattage be completely normal my friend and after that please edit this video since nothing is wrong and is only user error
Just a reminder tdp isn't actual powerdraw on AMD. It's just the chip powerdraw. Dawid is talking about tbp so just because your tdp is set to 290w doesn't mean your card is broken. With nvidia: tdp=tbp With amd: chip(tdp)+rest of board power=tbp Which should on this card be ~390w
Gigabyte tends to drop the ball quite often. With Bios updates/Driver updates/Support issues, GPU failure issues/Motherboard failure issues. I tend to not have very much luck when it comes to their products.
Unfortunately this does nothing to make me want to buy anything from Gigabyte - after the power supply debacle you think they'd be trying harder. They are definitely a brand I'll be avoiding when I upgrade when the next gen Ryzens are released.
@@WhiskyNerd Thank god for learning about this now i had a issue with Amazon and shipping for my gigabyte rx 6600 and recently got a refund looking at XFX and Powercolor instead for a new gpu
Your card is normal(ish). As several people have already correctly stated that 390w figure is the PCI lane and power cable draw combined. I went back and watched GN's review of the Sapphire card and when Steve shows the power graph he states it's the PCI lane and cable draw combined (377W).
Had an issue with the 6900xt I received last week direct from AMD. For the hour the card worked before suddenly dying and causing the system to be unable to post, performance seemed lower than my 1080ti. When asking AMD for a refund on the product, they insisted on replacing it with a refurbished model. Ended up having to badger them a week to get them to approve processing a refund on the card and even then I had to ship it back at my expense. Now I'm just waiting for them to refund the card so I'll only be out the $40 spent returning it, rather than the $1120 I'm out now.
@@yamisniper Because after paying full retail for a new card I didn't want to turn around and pay return shipping back to the manufacturer so I could get a refurbished card whenever they had one available.
As an electronics designer I can assure you that the massive component shortage is not just about GPU's or CPU's. There's a shortage of every type of component. This forces vendors to look for alternative components, Their first choice are drop in replacements, meaning that the new component can be soldered to the same PCB providing identical performance. Once you can't get your hands on such drop in replacements you basically have three choices: 1. Redesign the PCB to achive the same performance with other components. 2. Choose a replacement that can be fitted to the same PCB but with less performance, life span, reliability etc. 3. Stop producing. With massive coil whine, your performance issues and the lack of vendor explanations I would guess at number 2. The board is not able to supply enough power thus throttled by a hidden setting that you can't touch. Or possibly the board can supply enough power but was throttled by mistake. Should you recieve a magic wand special update bios I'd guess for the latter.
Whoever owned a lot of hardware knows there are problems with all brands on the market. No brand has a 0 problem history. But yes gigabyte seem to have more problems then others but at least the support in Germany/Austria is great. I have had bios problems with asus, msi and gigabyte. Funny enough the most stable bios of recent years had AsRock if only they knew what VRMs are. GPU problems I have had with asus and evga. From scratched 3090 strix to load balancing on the FTW3.
This is the correct opinion. I bet you can find people in this very comment section complain about all big 4 Mobo brands, telling each other how bad their specific quality is, and somehow all of them will think they're right at the same time. Even if that technically means none of them can buy motherboards anymore cuz "they are so baaad"
4:04 ; 6:10 Why *TF* does it say 'GPU [#1]: AMD Radeon RX 6600'? Is this a mistake made by Dawid or might Gigabyte just have straight up scammed you? lmao To add is as well that the GPU MHz speed is more in the range of the RX 6600 XT, than the RX 6950 XT. It says on AMD site that the *MAXIMUM* speed for the GPU is '2310 MHz'. Looking at f. e. the GPU speed at 1:20 it says '2483 MHz'. Which is, as mentioned before, more in the RX 6600 XT's range '2359 MHz - 2589 MHz'. Kinda strange, isn't it? Same goes in all the other game footage, correct me if wrong. But it seems they might have shipped the wrong card with the wrong firmware?
Seems like it's faulty power delivery. Coil whine is pretty normal at certain power draw, but that's waaaaaaay too whiny. If i had to guess, coil resistance is too high, which causes significant loss on power delivery. Try checking draw on PCIe connectors or power in of the card and compare it to power draw reported by software. If that's the issue, then it's a hardware problem with power delivery. Another possible way of solving this is external power delivery board, that can be adjusted manually. Overclockers use those to get better results under LN2
My Strix 6800 XT draws more power than that Gigabyte 6950 XT lol. Could it be that maybe that's a regular 6900XT and they labeled it as a 6950XT, by mistake maybe? I don't know if that's possible but it is weird.
@@CarbonPanther the Bios he got from the other channel that had a 6950XT running at normal specs should have fixed that. That's why he asked for them to send it over. If the BIOS was wrong, one from a working as expected card should have allowed his to draw the 390 watta
@@dkline9 That's true i overlooked that, i would like to know what happens if you flash the 289W onto the 390W card though. And if any of these flashes are actually successful. Why did that new BIOS not change anything...?
@@CarbonPanther yeah, that is weird! Probably some weird hardware issue. If the BIOS isn't compatible, it just won't flash. If it did for some reason when it shouldn't have I imagine it would just start crashing under load.
Dawid, what you're failing to realise is this card isn't meant for gaming, its created specifically to mine crypto. I very much expect the drop in voltage won't effect the hash rate and using less power in this instance is exactly what the people buying it want. Still knowing gigabyte for its quality hardware the drop in voltage is probably deliberate to stop the card randomly exploding, due to poor quality power distribution (like their PSU's) which they certainly won't admit too ever.
That insane coil wine is very concerning. From my experience I’ve always found cards produce wine when there being used at very low loads and the wine goes away when cards are pushed hard.
laughs with my 510w 3090ti, my guess is the ol' reviewer vs retail switcheroo.. Not unheard of, reviewers will get special binned cards that will perform way above spec to make themselves look good, while the retail card gets a little bit of a gimp (they dont have to bin retail cards, save for the Aorus Extreme line) Ill bet if you got the Aorus version of that card, it would perform as its supposed to.. and you were sent a retail card by "accident"
woah! That would be wild if true... What buyer would really take it out the box and test it's power draw to see if it's pulling what it's supposed to? Very few!
I noticed that at 3:40, you were using the pigtail of the 2nd PCIE cable and I read somewhere that each cable only delivers 150W. I can't really tell either way because of the angle of the camera, but that might just be a hunch especially if the 3090 Ti worked with the first PSU
Why is the card reporting as RX 6600 in HWinfo Also, could one of the PCIE Inputs be broken so that's why it's capped at 290W like the 6900XT as it is only using 2x8-pins? can you use the Nvidia PCIE Riser thing (PCAT I think) to measure?
this video totally start from wrong way to worse you made big mistake here while you think you can see all power consumption from AMD cards using software only. you can use totall power draw method for easiest way, or ask how measure power of AMD cards 😅
My first thought would be to check if it has a switch to change between some sort of "quiet mode" and "performance mode", some cards do that. on my 1060 there are actually 3 "profiles" that can be switched in software. Okay, turns out that the 289W is actually the limit set in the BIOS.
I have 2 solutions for you: 1) Buy an Itel MB /CPU. Buy an Itel VC. Problem solved. 2) Stop buying Gigabyte Products. Problem solved. Gigabyte has been sliding south with their products for some time now. Before I ever buy a Gigabyte product ever again, they need to prove themself again. Thanks for the infor, You proved what I've known for a long time.
It's so you can pair it with their power supplies without blowing up your house. It's a feature, not a bug.
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haha this is pretty great lol
Definitely a feature. You also spend less on electricity, and since energy costs are through the roof, Giga-Chad are doing us all a favor by writing 6950 XT on the card but have it perform like a 6800 non XT.
You get the E-Peen status of having a monster GPU without having to pay $100 a month in electricity. We all win!!!!
For maximum hilarity, you should put those in a custom T-72 Tank case with a custom radiator mount on top of the turret to serve as the cope cages.
Perfect meme build I'd say.
Ah, I see that even reviewers are subject to Gigabyte’s top tier support
Haha!! At least they don’t discriminate when it comes to their support. 😂
I guess that Steve from GN will have another video about Gigabyte if there's more than one unit that has this problem.
I'm still waiting for a GPU in RMA, stuck in ''Being Replaced or Replacement being tested'' for a month now
@@snitchmojo3717 Jesus man, that's wild
@@HaikuOezu with no apparent way to contact them.
In a span of 1 week, MSI received/test/replace/send the replacement when i had a defective motherboard
The massive coil whine is what's concerning here, this has to be a hardware issue rather than software.
Could be. Since gigabyte doesn't know what the f they doing with their cards either.
@@ReallyNotTrix1 Coil wine would never be a software issue. It also isn't anything to automatically worry about.
Coil whine is some what common. I had a ton of brand new cards with coil whine and the manufacturers never would do much about it. Although gigabyte is trash
My bet is that one of the onboard fuses or MOSFETs are bad. It's probably only pulling power from 2 PCIe connectors, thus it can't scale up to full power. I'd be interested to know if you tried the FUSION OC scan tool at all.
@@cppctek Agreed. Gigabyte has the most severe coil whine of any GPU I've used.
I'm so glad you've stumbled on this issue. Imagine being a regular consumer and getting a kneecapped card, no doubt Gigabyte would just tell you to pound sand. Keep on the heat, that's a lot of money to pay to not get full performance.
I don’t think he paid for it but I’m still waiting for the resolution to this issue to come forward
Considering that this is Gigabyte, with its infamous revision-prone history, i thought that they might have more than one revisions of this model shipping out to reviewers and customers already.
Haha!! Yeah, that is definitely a possibility.
*cough cough* Look at their Gigabyte Z690I DDR4 board and its massive recall *cough*
absolutely
Agree 100%. I'm allergic to Gigabyte.
To be fair a lot of brands do silent revisions, Buldzoid has mentioned it a few times in reference to RAM OC.
I know why this card is drawing 290 wats.
It's because it's a 6800XT that sneaked quality control and became a 6950. 🥴.
Might be the answer, upvote for this
funny jew
I had the same thought.
I recently had a stunningly similarly bad experience with their Waterforce X 360 AIO: after 2 weeks of firmware (via SD Card) and software (Fusion RGB) updates, including using different USB cables and motherboards / OS installations, I could not get the screen to display anything other than the stock startup image. For a premium, high-end custom LCD AIO that I wanted to use to display temps, this was the last straw. I don't know what's going on over there, but all the support I got was terrible and they clearly either did not read what I had written or did not care. I never got it to work (I have over 20 years in PC sales and service, repair, build and upgrade experience) and returned it, along with a 3080 Waterforce GPU and a Z590 mobo. I really wanted Gigabyte to pull through, but they forced me to go back to ASUS. Say what you will about Armoury Crate, but it actually works with their own products and doesn't require weeks of QA testing on my part to make their ecosystem work. This was a client build and I nearly lost a significant custom build sale over it. They wasted my time and money for the final time.
my 6900xt waterforce card has some weird T-Junction issues and other performance related BS, however, when it does behave it's a highly capable high performing card. When I first got it I bought 3dmark and got the card into the top 25 for port royal, on WC alone. it's a highly capable card, however it's very temperamental. but over all my issues with gigabyte just haven't subsided and it is what it is. they make a few good products and a few products you might wish were better.
I always only buy ASUS, they are always very nice and their products are well priced and perform very well! If there is a problem they will instantly try to help you figure out what's wrong, KEEP IT UP ASUS!
@@lnfinyx Ironically, the ROG Strix lineup from Asus is almost always more expensive than all the other brands, doesn't matter if its mobo or GPU. However, it seems like you pay a little more for a lot more stability and higher quality hardware components.
I’m really glad you could return the parts. That’s outrageous, they really should be more willing to support their customers.
My own experience with gigabyte is just a couple of motherboards and those seem quite solid at least? At this point tho I would be wary of any of their other products after reading about so many issues there..
Any updates on this? I'd be interested to hearing if Gigabyte ever figured out anything about this card.
Msi afterburner doesn't properly display amd power draw correctly
I had a 1080 Ti from Gigabyte and it went into flames in my case 4 months after the launch of the 30 series from Nvidia. No cards were available at non-stupid price so I had to fall back to my RX 480 8 Gb from MSI. I could be stuck with a lot worse but I'll never buy another graphics card from Gigabyte, NEVER. It's been more than 1 year and it still hurts, damnit. I'm glad my RX 480 is still a trooper, I still max out some games at 1440p but its days are counted. It's been overclocked for more than 5 years. It will celebrate its 6th birthday this summer. One hell of a graphics card I tell you. Best PC purchase ever.
My Strix RX480 is plugging along nicely.
Sapphire 590 and 6700 also have worked great for me, so I'm only buying those companies cards in the future.
Man, the RX480 will never die. That thing's going to be good for 1080p/60 until the heat death of the universe.
Back when there was value for money in GPU's eh...
I have one gtx970 with completely burned hole through PCB, also Gigabyte card. And it wouldn't be nothing special to talk about, mosfets die and sometimes card end up like that (decent brands will include fuses on board to prevent that but that's another story). Problem was that that was not main power line, you can expect something like that on Vcore but in this case problem was on f. logic 5V rail, rail that have maybe 100mAh draw and it's cool and not under any pressure (most card from that era use simple linear voltage regulators anyway for it).
But Gigabyte find a way to screw even that up and use obvious reject parts
Ya should go about repasting the gpu and replacing the thermal pads with a good cleaning. Should last even longer after that
They send out 390w review samples to make the card look good on reviews then send the retail cards out limited to 290w to reduce heat and RMA. They accidentally sent you retail unit and 7 people at gigabutt are now under investigation for screwing up their evil plan.
The fact that majority of us stress test our new builds and monitor temps and power draw during it… it’s rather impossible to get away with that! That’s a massive lawsuit waiting to happen!
I realize this is probably sarcasm, but in case it's not, they publish the specs for the card and a line-topping card is going to attract some serious enthusiasts who are going to take mere minutes to spot the problem. It's not like it's remotely difficult to know how much power your video card is drawing in 2022. There's definitely something wrong with that card, as another person pointed out probably failed mosfets. When he increased the power limit to 120% it should have drawn about 58 more watts. In reality, he was only drawing an additional 14 or 15 additional watts, so something is broken in that card. I'm just wondering why Gigabyte didn't just suggest this immediately after ruling out configuration and setup issues and offer to swap out the card. Sure, they might screw around with average customers, but they know this card is part being reviewed by somebody who is going to sell T shirts with whatever he names their card printed on them.
@@chrispeters8555 i mean, its not the first time it happened that cards with special bioses to look better/binned cards got send out to testers and reviewers LOL
Looks like a bad batch tbh. Might've sourced their PD components from different sources.
+/- it's a pretty big possibility, that 390w on Gygabyte just go on fire, or just unstable and they downwolted retail version to 290w
Imagine you finally get your hands on a nice graphics card and its the one that hasn't passed through quality control...
I know right! For $1200 you’d expect it to work properly.
Just like my friend who has had 4 $2,000 Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitors in a row that have ALL had dead pixels...
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Yeah man holy s@@t for that price thats just... TH-cam will delete my comment if continue 😅
in March i finally get my Gigabyte 3060 Eagle, the sound of coil whine so bad, the build quality so bad because when i take my 3060 on my hand the body sound "kwerk krekk", and last the LED on my card so weird , i think my LED is leaking because some color blend randomly
feel so bad, now i change my card to colorful, and no problem happening like in my Gigabyte
We need no quality control where we are going
I remember talking about Tech Testers on a live stream we did a couple years ago haha small world. I hope you can solve this problem with Gigabyte. Take care man 💪🏻
The only time you see graphics card that consumes 298W of power and you say it's not enough
I know right! I does feel pretty weird to point that out as a problem. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Sillicon Loterry and you won it maybe?
@@Teksers I wouldn’t really call it winning the silicone lottery considering that it was underperforming a decent amount.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff But somebody else mentioned that on hwinfo it states "rx 6600", maybe that has to do with something?
I check videos and shorts. Did I miss the update on this. I'm looking to buy this exact card.
Hi Dawid, Gigabyte (Aorus) 6900XT owner here, Noticed similar low power draw with mine (300W), In the end I just used a little application called 'More power tool' to override the limits and was able to get it to go all the way up to 380W.
he made big mistake, you can't measure the power of AMD cards using software only
and you will burn your card soon while it use more than 450W
1: I follow Techtesters for few years now. Very different presentation to your channel for sure, but she is pretty awesome and one of few tech channels I follow.
2. Three things come to mind as for possible realistic reasons for this eh situation. a) Bad card. b) bad cables. c) bad capacitors.
Good luck.
It can't be the cables, he swapped out power supplies AND mainboards. Literally the only thing that was the same was the graphics card.
Nada 😍
its either bad caps or bad power delivery components (chokes, inductors, etc.). If it was a bad card, then its questionable how it ran consistently with same results. Bad cables have already been ruled out, as dave replaced every single component in the test bed, even power supply cables.
Yeah! Their reviews are great.
I’ll definitely follow up once I have more info on what’s going on.😃
I’m really surprised Gigabyte hasn’t just sent out a new card and had Dawid return that one. He’s literally already done all the troubleshooting. Doesn’t make me confident as a consumer that if a popular tech reviewer can’t get good customer service on a product the company literally sent to be reviewed, what chance do regular buyers have?
none!!gygaTRASH..always on the dirty side of the HW community!
That type of data being requested by a contact and HQ suggests something is very wrong somewhere. I'm guessing they'll be setting up a bunch of cards with the same configurations to test stuff on.
Seriously sounds like a bad batch.
@@MandoMTL If there is no underlying hardware flaw I can see a BIOS update in the future to fix the issue. A bit like with the RX 580 where they managed to stay in PCIe specs by loading the rails differently, done through an update, at no performance cost.
Gigabyte, you’ve done it again. Showing why you should go with literally any other brand when buying components for your build.
They make really good boards IMO, but I wont touch anything else from them with a 10ft pole
RX 69 *clears throat for maximum effect* 50 XT - I would expect nothing less from this human. I love you
Why does hardware info show it as an RX 6600? 4:03 & 6:08
The sapphire model is just miles ahead
I am glad i have Sapphire 😅
The cooler on that Sapphire card is really impressive!
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I love sapphire with my whole heart, they make, beautiful well performing cards, and the innovation is honestly very nice, look at the 6950xt with an rgb header on it to sync your system instead of shitty software 🙂
It'd be pointless to trade in my 6900 for a 6950 but yeah if I didn't have it the 6950 is a great looking card at least.
@@1jackpenner Ye id only ever buy EVG sapphire or ASUS cause they make teh most reliable stuff.
290W on the reporting means the card is using a total of 340-350W. The reporting in the top left you see, the software reading is GPU power only. Not GPU + VRM losses + VRAM.
Your 6950 XT used 340-350W in testing.
Really
I had that problem i was worried but if your right I’m happy
@@JohnSulevan-li4gr Yes, I am right. Cheers!
Been a follower of Techtesters for quite a while and Nada knows her stuff! So I'm not at all surprised she helped you out with the bios as she has always been polite, professional, smart, amusing and extremely likeable in her videos.
Yeah she was great and helped out immediately :D
For sure! They have a great channel with really good reviews
😃
Yeah. They are great guys. Love the quality they are delivering constantly.
6900XTXH owner here.
Enable ReBAR, try to overclock your card running SuperPosition (this should trigger other "state" - that is diferent from gaming), check for changes.
Keep in mind that overclock (Core) add voltage by itself - similar to how Vega56/64 work.
If this fails, increase voltage offset via MSI AF (voltage reading may not be possible/wrong - power should Change regardless)
If you ever get to read this comment, say something.
"Core" voltage have implications on Mem. Voltage too - or so we think (XTXH variant have Mem clock unlocked)
I would just check the power limit. Raising that should give the card the headroom to clock higher.
I've owned numerous gigabyte products over the years and have had mostly positive experiences but recently had to replace a z390ud mobo because it wouldn't allow me to enter bios, was really strange, i tried all the usual suspects but even after full reflash and cmos battery replacement lol it would lockup every time. Replaced with an msi mortar and haven't had any issues.
Audio died on my B560 Aorus so replaced it with a Z590 Gaming X...which the LAN died on. I now have an MSI Carbon Wifi and it hasn't died yet....yay!
MSI or nothing my friend.
MSI Mortar/Bazooka and above are the META.
@@MandoMTL I prefer the “VRM SUPERIORITY” meta. If it doesn’t have high-quality VRMs, I don’t want it.
Wait, MSI has become better nowadays? The last one I had had a RAM slot die at random, while my Gigabyte boards are running for years rock solid. Guess every company has a bad day.
And then there is obviously Asus who for whatever reason has to name everything differently and make things super complicated.
I do commend GB for sending you the card and corresponding with you somewhat openly thus far. The four day wait isn't pleasing, but in corporate world time that isn't terribly long or drama inducing just yet. I hope to see some kind of meaningful resolution.
I'm saddened that whenever I hear about a Gigabyte product, there's a big problem with it. They're meant to be a big player in the space, but it seems they're struggling.
struggling to not take advantage of people's hype and desperation? Yeah, it's a real shame
hmmm I've had some issues with gigabyte in the past but only really one actual brick (An aorus card that wouldn't stay stable). Other than that, i've had good luck. One had a wire that I had to push down that was getting hit by a fan xD that was a bit silly.
My current card is a 6900 xt windforce and it's running pretty well for the most part.
Gigabyte is almost as big a meme as asrock
I have a gigabyte mobo and gpu ( 3070 ti gamer oc) and have ZERO issues with either of them. Works great for me
They USED to be great... now? Not so much. Avoid.
Seems like they under planned the power delivery system, most of brands use mutiple supliers of the same components to increase suply, probly one of the supliers didn't meet demand for the PD of the card and it now it phisicly can't reach its full potential
Agreed. Sounds logical imho
6:08 - The GPU shows up as an AMD Radeon RX 6600. Is it anything to do with that?
Well spotted
good eye, if the computer thinks its a RX 6600 it could be following normal procedure for the RX 6600 and not the RX 6950 xt.
Oh yeah! That is really weird. Nice spot. I’ll also mention that to Gigabyte and see what they say. 👍
They literally look exactly the same. Knowing Gigashites QC they probably put the wrong one in the box.
@@michaeltyrrell3381 more than likely
This happened to me. Got a new 6950 XT. Ran a few benchmarks and played a few games. Then i started tinkering in the driver and the card got stuck in 290w mode as in the video and performance went down hard. But after resetting everything and starting over setting power limit to +20% performance was back and the card was sucking down 340w. 🤷♀😁
Couple of things I've been meaning to ask you..
What happens to the pre builts you've bought over the years?
And making a video where you have a choice of components, and your cat (Neko?) picks them.
That would be an amazing video. It's officially on my list :) as for the prebuilts, we keep them around and salvage them for parts for future videos :)
@@AnnaDoes always good to know those parts go to good use in something other than those horrible prebuilds :D
@@AnnaDoes Does Dawid have some kind of sarcastic label for this storage space? Or does he just call it storage for old prebuilds or something?
I really enjoy the videos, thank you so much.
That’s a really good video idea! My prebuilt storage is called the “crap shack”
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Classic Dawid. Just pictured a shack in my backyard where I go to take dumps, lol.
All the Gigabyte dissing aside, please keep us updated Dawid! It would be interesting to see if anything happens or if someone figures out what's wrong here.
when you show the temps on your softawre, it Show "RX 6600" for your 6950xt, the problem seems to be with one of the component of the card if Gigabyte used a 6600 component (if it is the real temp of the card on your screen and not a screen fro manother card)
I noticed that too.
The only component that will identify as a 6600 is the GPU of the 6600. And that is not the case.
@@DarkoPetreski In that case, There maybe a part 2 incoming, Its possible that Gigabyte used rx 6600's components for their 6950xt to make the production cheaper, that would not be the first time that they made that kind of crap (like their PSU lol)
@@weatherdream7343 it's a new card, I think hwinfo just didn't display the name correctly. It's gonna get patched out. But the whole power limit thing is pure gigabyte incompetence, I agree there
I guess it identifies as "RX 6600 family", like their cards tend to do. I still have an old HD 7770 here, that calls itself "HD 7700 series", despite there also being a HD 7730, 7750 and 7790, all with quite substantial differences in performance to each other.
Software reported power on AMD cards is Core only, not total board power. My (reference) 6900xt shows 255w for example. You need to measure power with a PCAT or similar type device to see total board power on AMD cards, which will give you the 380w figure.
Hmmm... possibly so, but then why is the PERFORMANCE so low?
It wouldn't make sense to hit 380W and also have low performance would it?
@@photonboy999 I mean its not massively behind, and at 1440p i would expect it to be about the same as the nvidia card, on average, across a number of games. Also, i dont know if that watercooled 90Ti is perhaps going to perform better than a reference card, giving it the edge? However its possible Dawids maybe gone off down a rabbit hole trying to troubleshoot the power issue that wasnt actually an issue, and as a result hasnt spent time looking for the real problem.
Where is second video, what's the conclusion to this problem?
I undervolted mine in the settings, turned off variable refresh, turned off freesync, set to 60 hz, and runs amazingly well now at 4k60.
What actually happened:
Gigabyte boss: lets send some influencers graphics cards!
Employee: ok
Boss: you didnt send the retail one, right? You send the overclocked fake 6950xt that the reviewers have to get to review it differently
Employee: **chuckles** i am in danger
Hey there, wanted to mention i had a 6900xt Sapphire Toxic liquid cooled card rated at 400watts, that only pulled 290 watts, and was extremely inconsistent in gaming perfomance, with frequent stutters in most games. After 1 month of troubleshooting, the only way to increase power usage was using third party software, and even then it was still inconsistent ingame... I sold said card, bought a 10gb 3080, and virtually everything runs perfectly now🙃. AMD sort of lost my trust with their GPU's as I've read that many others had similar power consumption issues, or even stuttering issues.
haven't watch fully, but why at 4:02 hw info detected the 6950 xt as 6600 ?
I didn't even catch that.
I was having this exact same issue on my RX 6950 XT Nitro+. Hard stuck on 290 watts. Turning V-sync off in games fixed the issue for me. Now I get 350/360 watt usage and A LOT more fps. V-sync seems to severely limit the card
@xExistablex First thing I do in any game is go to options and turn V-sync off and haven’t had the issue since
Since were with TechPowerUp already, they also have a BIOS Database (where you can even look at stuff like clock speed and Power limit handily next to the downloadable file) and uploaded their 2 BIOS' of this card and both show a max TDP of 289W for 0D62 (Quiet) and 0D63 (Default)
Unless i missed something it really appears as if 289W is intended... No that can't be when 380W versions exist... Perhaps there's different revisions? Could you get in touch with all the reviewers you mentioned and ask them to look at differences in numbers etc. on their PCBs vs. yours? Maybe that'll show something?
I also looked at some retailers and none of them were given TDP numbers (at this point in time) which is also unfortunate since other brands like Powercolor and Sapphire clearly state them.
That also brought me to the Xtreme Waterforce edition of the 6950XT, we should compare it's BIOS and Power limit too, i'll do that right now. Edit: Nope Couldn't find anything about the Waterblock version yet...
Also about the drivers i'm not so sure if downgrading is the best idea here since only the latest WHQL version officially supports the xx50 refresh.
He does not understand AMD TDP.
Mate that does not explain why it's slower than a normal 6900XT.
His card can't draw the "right amount" of power while at the same time giving less FPS.
I'm just guessing here that the 380W version is the "review model" and the 290W one is the retail model.
Looking at techpowerup 289W is indeed the limit set in both BIOS they have archived there.
And while at it I looked at the 5 GB RX 570 models for someone in a different comment, and they have that card set to 90W, while most other cards are running 120-125W
I mean, I would have no issue if they make it a less power hungry model, but they have to declare that properly. Having a full power space heater model, and a more efficiency focused one isn't a bad idea. But saying one thing and doing the other is just bad.
Gigabyte and a fuck up. Name a more iconic duo.
4:03 That's a RX 6600!
As with all your videos, while I don't get most of your technical jargon and watch for your reaction and comments, I am proud I got your "sounds like a Geiger counter near the elephant's foot" reference.
I sold my soul to AMD 10 years ago, and to me, anything else than Sapphire for AMD gpu's has never been an option. Their quality and performance never fail. I've never trust any of the other manufacturers. Gigabyte makes decent mobo's for Intel tho.. i guess..
Sapphire is the EVGA of the AMD world. But now with EVGA making AMD motherboards again, could they possibly make GPU's for AMD?
What about xfx and new hellbound edition of (I forgot name)?
Sapphire is my favourite gpu manufacturer, my first gpu was sapphire and so is my current one, and AMD gpu I get is sapphire no exceptions
Sapphire has always put out a good product.
How about power color?
I had an RX 6600 XT Gaming OC from Gigabyte and it was also a nightmare. It had an insanely bad stuttering problem and I did everything you did in this video and more to fix it and nothing worked. I concluded that I just got a really bad "silicon" and sent it back to the store and they gave me my money back after testing. After all I had been through, I just came to the conclusion that AMD has a lot of problems with their software and you needed to do a lot of tweaks to make their GPU work correctly, so in the end, I put some more money in to get an RTX 3060 TI and I couldn't be happier.
It was my first AMD GPU, so, I don't know if my experience was bad because of them or GIgabyte, but in the future, if I don't hear anything about their software getting better (I had a lot of problems with SAM and other things), I'll probably stay with NVIDIA.
The RX 6600 XT had a great performance BTW. Only the constant stutterings were a no-no for me. 1% lows were in the 7 to 13 fps range, making it impossible to have smooth gameplay.
Asked Gigabyte support to tell me the Thermal Pad sizes for my GTX 1080... they replied with: "That's corporate secret" ... no, it's a part of the cooling solution.
At that point might just measure it out yourself.
Or well, ask them how much they want for replacement pads, because if it is so secret, they obviously should have more in stock.
@@HappyBeezerStudios i did... Problem is that after years of compression the pads will not regain their original thickness... so it was a vague guessing game to get the thickness.
And yes no, they didn't even sell replacements... they just was like: "or you buy a new card"
“ A geiger counter near the elephants foot“ you’re funny and random comparisons is probably the reason I like your most. Most people probably don’t know what that is though.
It sounds like there's a problem with power delivery and it's probaby a hardware fault on the GPU PCB. You could still try daisy chain 2 different output PCIe PSU cables into a PSU adapter cable and do this for all of the GPU power slots. Fixed a similar issue for me once.
"Like a Giger counter near the elephant's foot." Nice.
You should have tried a Gigabyte powersupply, not because it would fix things but it would prbably have been a nice fireworks display! 😂 Something tells me Gigabyte have no intentions of getting to the bottom of this, that fits their business model if you ask me... 🙄
Gigabyte is BY FAR the worst manufacturer.
By far.
I won't ever buy their products.
There's worse in my world, but they have room for improvement for sure.
Last week I picked up a Gigabyte 6900xt Gaming OC card. I was getting repeated "Wattman" crash errors in games (Defaut OC/lastest firmware, bios etc.) and also a low power draw. Note - I was running 3x pcie power cables and not pig-tails off of my Corsair RX1000w.
With that all being said, it eventually lead to hard freezes and artifacting. Elden Ring would freeze within 5sec of loading into the world with black squares popping up all over the screen and Overwatch/Mafia 1 remake was crashing with long white lines appearing on the screen.
I returned the card, WONT buy Gigabyte again because I am guessing that the GPUS got the same special treatment as the failing PSUs and I picked up a gem - XFX 6900xt Speedster Black with no issues.
AMD: "Lets make a new GPU with 2 power draw versions. One for gaming, one for Mining"
Mining crashes
AMD: "Well... shit.. "
Gigabyte: "We got this".
I really like this theory.
It's not a AMD problem. It's a Gigabyte problem.
That's not how this works. It's the same damn chip i.e. navi 21. It'll consume as much power as you feed it. Gigabyte messed up somewhere in the board design.
Hey Dawid. Love your stuff. On the first test bench you had an AIO with the lcd display. Which AIO was that?
I'll solve this for everyone: It's a Gigabyte. The end.
" a geiger counter near the elephant's foot"..... wow, descriptive and scary, perfect use of analogy!!!!!!!!
AMD cards don't report the power they are really using. Make sure your not compairing your results to people with HARDWARE readouts from Clamps and the like. For example the 6900XT reports 255W power when its actually drawing about 300W
your right
That's right, but it doesn't explain the problem, since there are other RX 6950 XT for comparison, where the consumption is displayed up to about 400 watts. With the 6950 XT you have to add about 30%. However, this gigabyte card is stuck at 280 watts (+ approx. 30% in real). Something is wrong with the input supply. Unfortunately, this cannot be measured exactly with AMD, since there is no complete measurement control of the individual parts, as with Nvidia Cards.
Gigabyte cheaping out on power delivery on their graphics cards? Never! It's not like they've ever underspecced components before. It was perfectly normal to put an underrated SMD fuse on their GTX 1070's that would blow at 101% power draw rendering the card useless and needing warranty repair... twice.
This is not the first time that graphics (or motherboards, and especially the most famous power supply) from Gigabytes "break down" in testing. There's a lot of that on TH-cam. As for me, if I buy a computer component, their products doesn't exist for me.
So 5 months later... where's the update you said you would make? Did Gigabyte ever get back to you? Did you RMA the card?
Once again reinforcing my complete and utter lack of desire to buy Gigabyte products.
Aorus is good just never buy gigabyte the Aorus devices never had an issue and they're rma process is amazing
@@harrywilson7980 ironically I own an Aorus Pro MoBo, but it is only because of the solid VRM performance it offered. I doubt I will ever buy a Gigabyte monitor or GPU.
"Like a Geiger counter near the Elephant's Foot". Dawid has the best analogies.
You never posted an update. What happened?!
You are supposed to use a Power Measurement Device, not use MSI Afterburner for the wattage draw. Not to mention that if the card is drawing 290 watts from the PCIE power cables it is also drawing 75 watts from the PCIE slot. so add 290 plus 75 gets you an estimated 365 watts. and if you raise the power limit you get around 375 watts.
That would make sense if performance wasn't impacted, which it is, and if there wasn't another case of it throwing up a max of 290w despite the card in another test showing 390w.
Not to be a sarcastic prick but outside of a case of Schrodingers' wattage, seems more likely to be a manufacturers problem when they don't even know what's up, and didn't just say what you did. If 300+ through MSI Afterburner isn't in spec even under overclock then I doubt Gigabyte would need more than an hour to reply unless they're just really shit at CS.
Well, look on the bright side, Dawid. At least this particular Gigabyte product power-related issue didn't involve anything bursting into flame....
...oh god, I've jinxed it, haven't I?
FIRRREEEE
thanks Phil
Probably, that coil whine and a lot of heat in the backplate could mean something is shorted
@@AnnaDoes Uh.... oops?
@@philtkaswahl2124 we'll survive :D
from the coil wine and low power figures I am guessing a few bad vrms dropping the power to the gpu lowering performance being the issue good luck figuring out which ones are bad though👍
Fun and useful videos often! Clearly deserves a subscribe! :)
Thanks! I really appreciate that. 😃
@@DawidDoesTechStuff aint nothing wrong with ur card my dude 289watt is just the chip power draw amd power sensors can only show chip draw and not whole card draw. Hook up a wireviewer and watch the wattage be completely normal my friend and after that please edit this video since nothing is wrong and is only user error
Just a reminder tdp isn't actual powerdraw on AMD. It's just the chip powerdraw. Dawid is talking about tbp so just because your tdp is set to 290w doesn't mean your card is broken.
With nvidia: tdp=tbp
With amd: chip(tdp)+rest of board power=tbp
Which should on this card be ~390w
4:03 why it shows rx 6600?
Gigabyte tends to drop the ball quite often. With Bios updates/Driver updates/Support issues, GPU failure issues/Motherboard failure issues. I tend to not have very much luck when it comes to their products.
Unfortunately this does nothing to make me want to buy anything from Gigabyte - after the power supply debacle you think they'd be trying harder. They are definitely a brand I'll be avoiding when I upgrade when the next gen Ryzens are released.
AGREED. You could give me their stuff and I don't trust anything they make to put into my system.
@@WhiskyNerd Thank god for learning about this now i had a issue with Amazon and shipping for my gigabyte rx 6600 and recently got a refund looking at XFX and Powercolor instead for a new gpu
Your card is normal(ish). As several people have already correctly stated that 390w figure is the PCI lane and power cable draw combined. I went back and watched GN's review of the Sapphire card and when Steve shows the power graph he states it's the PCI lane and cable draw combined (377W).
Had an issue with the 6900xt I received last week direct from AMD. For the hour the card worked before suddenly dying and causing the system to be unable to post, performance seemed lower than my 1080ti. When asking AMD for a refund on the product, they insisted on replacing it with a refurbished model. Ended up having to badger them a week to get them to approve processing a refund on the card and even then I had to ship it back at my expense. Now I'm just waiting for them to refund the card so I'll only be out the $40 spent returning it, rather than the $1120 I'm out now.
why didnt you just get a replacemeant
@@yamisniper Because after paying full retail for a new card I didn't want to turn around and pay return shipping back to the manufacturer so I could get a refurbished card whenever they had one available.
I have had this problem with multiple variants of that gigabyte gaming oc. I will never pay full price for one ever
The problem is, it's made by gigabyte
As an electronics designer I can assure you that the massive component shortage is not just about GPU's or CPU's. There's a shortage of every type of component. This forces vendors to look for alternative components, Their first choice are drop in replacements, meaning that the new component can be soldered to the same PCB providing identical performance. Once you can't get your hands on such drop in replacements you basically have three choices:
1. Redesign the PCB to achive the same performance with other components.
2. Choose a replacement that can be fitted to the same PCB but with less performance, life span, reliability etc.
3. Stop producing.
With massive coil whine, your performance issues and the lack of vendor explanations I would guess at number 2. The board is not able to supply enough power thus throttled by a hidden setting that you can't touch. Or possibly the board can supply enough power but was throttled by mistake. Should you recieve a magic wand special update bios I'd guess for the latter.
Whoever owned a lot of hardware knows there are problems with all brands on the market. No brand has a 0 problem history. But yes gigabyte seem to have more problems then others but at least the support in Germany/Austria is great. I have had bios problems with asus, msi and gigabyte. Funny enough the most stable bios of recent years had AsRock if only they knew what VRMs are. GPU problems I have had with asus and evga. From scratched 3090 strix to load balancing on the FTW3.
This is the correct opinion.
I bet you can find people in this very comment section complain about all big 4 Mobo brands, telling each other how bad their specific quality is, and somehow all of them will think they're right at the same time.
Even if that technically means none of them can buy motherboards anymore cuz "they are so baaad"
"Geiger counter near the Elephants Foot"
my favorite obscure analogy yet
Not the first time I've heard about issues from gigabyte over the past few years. They've made some great stuff but they're inconsistent
@dawiddoestechstuff did you ever get a resolution or at least an update from Gigabyte on this?
4:04 ; 6:10
Why *TF* does it say 'GPU [#1]: AMD Radeon RX 6600'? Is this a mistake made by Dawid or might Gigabyte just have straight up scammed you? lmao
To add is as well that the GPU MHz speed is more in the range of the RX 6600 XT, than the RX 6950 XT. It says on AMD site that the *MAXIMUM* speed for the GPU is '2310 MHz'. Looking at f. e. the GPU speed at 1:20 it says '2483 MHz'. Which is, as mentioned before, more in the RX 6600 XT's range '2359 MHz - 2589 MHz'. Kinda strange, isn't it?
Same goes in all the other game footage, correct me if wrong. But it seems they might have shipped the wrong card with the wrong firmware?
Seems like it's faulty power delivery. Coil whine is pretty normal at certain power draw, but that's waaaaaaay too whiny. If i had to guess, coil resistance is too high, which causes significant loss on power delivery. Try checking draw on PCIe connectors or power in of the card and compare it to power draw reported by software. If that's the issue, then it's a hardware problem with power delivery. Another possible way of solving this is external power delivery board, that can be adjusted manually. Overclockers use those to get better results under LN2
My Strix 6800 XT draws more power than that Gigabyte 6950 XT lol. Could it be that maybe that's a regular 6900XT and they labeled it as a 6950XT, by mistake maybe? I don't know if that's possible but it is weird.
BIOS flash would have fixed that though, most likely.
@@dkline9 Nope, both BIOS' have a 289W factory hard-limit.
@@CarbonPanther the Bios he got from the other channel that had a 6950XT running at normal specs should have fixed that. That's why he asked for them to send it over. If the BIOS was wrong, one from a working as expected card should have allowed his to draw the 390 watta
@@dkline9 That's true i overlooked that, i would like to know what happens if you flash the 289W onto the 390W card though.
And if any of these flashes are actually successful.
Why did that new BIOS not change anything...?
@@CarbonPanther yeah, that is weird! Probably some weird hardware issue. If the BIOS isn't compatible, it just won't flash. If it did for some reason when it shouldn't have I imagine it would just start crashing under load.
Dawid, what you're failing to realise is this card isn't meant for gaming, its created specifically to mine crypto. I very much expect the drop in voltage won't effect the hash rate and using less power in this instance is exactly what the people buying it want.
Still knowing gigabyte for its quality hardware the drop in voltage is probably deliberate to stop the card randomly exploding, due to poor quality power distribution (like their PSU's) which they certainly won't admit too ever.
That insane coil wine is very concerning.
From my experience I’ve always found cards produce wine when there being used at very low loads and the wine goes away when cards are pushed hard.
I mean they produce coil whine when pumping out too many useless frame like upwards of 1000 fps.
The amazing Gigabyte Tech and PR team at it again! How do people with TH-cam still buy their products?
laughs with my 510w 3090ti, my guess is the ol' reviewer vs retail switcheroo.. Not unheard of, reviewers will get special binned cards that will perform way above spec to make themselves look good, while the retail card gets a little bit of a gimp (they dont have to bin retail cards, save for the Aorus Extreme line) Ill bet if you got the Aorus version of that card, it would perform as its supposed to.. and you were sent a retail card by "accident"
woah! That would be wild if true... What buyer would really take it out the box and test it's power draw to see if it's pulling what it's supposed to? Very few!
I noticed that at 3:40, you were using the pigtail of the 2nd PCIE cable and I read somewhere that each cable only delivers 150W. I can't really tell either way because of the angle of the camera, but that might just be a hunch especially if the 3090 Ti worked with the first PSU
dont thats a bot
Could it be Windows that messes up the powerdraw with a dumb "Balanced" mode?
Why is the card reporting as RX 6600 in HWinfo
Also, could one of the PCIE Inputs be broken so that's why it's capped at 290W like the 6900XT as it is only using 2x8-pins? can you use the Nvidia PCIE Riser thing (PCAT I think) to measure?
this video totally start from wrong way to worse
you made big mistake here while you think you can see all power consumption from AMD cards using software only.
you can use totall power draw method for easiest way, or ask how measure power of AMD cards 😅
As an atompunk the "Geiger counter near the elephants foot" reference really does it for me.
Second! Really like your channel
"A gaiger counter near the Elephants Foot" your jokes keep beeing pure gold!
Have they bothered to ask you for the card to test that one? I mean at this point, the only constant variable is the physical item itself.
Occam's razor - it was that card, get another one to confirm.
Did you compare the motherboards you used vs. what they use.
Could be the MSI Afterburner don't trust it when it comes to CPU temps and maybe power draw as well!
My first thought would be to check if it has a switch to change between some sort of "quiet mode" and "performance mode", some cards do that. on my 1060 there are actually 3 "profiles" that can be switched in software.
Okay, turns out that the 289W is actually the limit set in the BIOS.
I have 2 solutions for you:
1)
Buy an Itel MB /CPU.
Buy an Itel VC.
Problem solved.
2)
Stop buying Gigabyte Products.
Problem solved.
Gigabyte has been sliding south with their products for some time now.
Before I ever buy a Gigabyte product ever again, they need to prove themself again.
Thanks for the infor, You proved what I've known for a long time.