WHO KILLED WHO in Scream (1996) | Mapping out the Opening Scene
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- If you ever wanted to know who killed Casey Becker between Billy and Stu, this video will give you a detailed behind the scenes look and commentary on not only which ghostface killer did the deed, but also show you their perspectives during Scream's infamous Drew Barrymore starring opener.
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I edited this video in mind to have the animated simulation play along with the scene in question, which had all the movements and positions on the map line up perfectly with the events on film. Unfortunately, the video was flagged for copyright, so the only way I could post this was by removing the clip. I do think that having the video play simultaneously with the movie enhances the experience, so if you own a copy of Scream at home, I recommend playing it along side. The movie should begin (Dimension logo) at approximately 7 seconds into the animation. I've made the animation available on my Patreon, with the side-by-side scene comparison, and can be viewed by joining the "Freddy Krueger" tier for $5 (Link at the bottom of the description). But since I want everyone to be able to see the video, it is available for free on my instagram account, if you don't mind watching it in such a small format.
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As a huge fan of the Scream franchise, I have always been fascinated by the first film's opening scene. It's no secret that Wes Craven was still very much replaceable as the director when they started shooting, and he wanted to prove his worth to the production so he decided to film the opening scene first (which typically is not usual for movies to shoot scenes in order). After the executives saw the initial dailies from that scene, they knew they had something special with Wes Craven.
A lesser director might have just shot this scene in a very straightforward, linear fashion, but Craven being the auteur he was, had laser precision attention to detail, and had so much more going on in that scene that was ever written or that we as an audience could ever comprehend. There was an entirely different set of actions taking place just outside of the house under the cover of darkness that didn't require any additional filming, but Craven was able to expertly paint a picture in our minds, and that is why this scene stands out as a paragon of his skill set, and the pinnacle of his career.
I would also be remiss to not mention Patrick Lussier's editing, who does an outstanding job on the first three Scream movies, but especially in this scene. He and Craven worked wonderfully together to produce 13 minutes of nearly flawless real time cinema.
I can't help as I watch this scene though, to always speculate on where the killers were outside of the house in relation to Casey Becker. She is essentially inside a fishbowl, with glass all around her, and we as the audience are on the inside with her, looking out. Of course I have my own theories, which you will discover in this video, but I was surprised to learn of how different every Scream fan's interpretation is of the events going on outside. Some people think only one of Billy Loomis or Stu Macher was there, while he tied Steve up to the chair and made the calls to Casey by himself. And there are some who think that only one killer is there, while the other is making the calls from a remote location. I of course believe they were both there, but the question still remains of who did what, and where were they?
Also, who was the killer behind the mask who killed Casey? Who killed Steve? And how did they get her body up in that tree so fast? There are definitely clues that Wes Craven left behind to help us with figuring out and breaking down the events and actions of the opening scene. So look closely, and see if you can spot them all.
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How do you think they did it? Who killed who?
Maureen - Billy & Stu
Steve - Stu
Casey - Billy
Himbry - Billy
Tatum - Billy
Kenny - Stu
I think Stu killed Casey for one reason and one reason only; His hand was shaking while holding the knife up after Casey took off his mask and he was fighting internally about finishing the job for a brief moment before stabbing her and angry grunting. I think this was his first real kill even though he was with Billy when Billy killed Maureen, Stu most likely just helped get rid of the body.
The whole side window not being shattered could be a continuity problem/goof and the sound was inserted to explain how the killer got out so fast. I do think Billy went out to help hang her from the tree and gut her though.
Stu was not involved because he was with tatum that night. It was roman or Dewey who might be the mastermind for scream 5 based on theory’s
Always say it was Billy watching. and I think Stu killed her because when she lifted up the mask she recognized him and you know they dated so that would be Revenge. but I think it was in on it together. And when I say together. I mean I think Billy had her on the phone and stew killed her because it was a tall guy. but I watch the documentary on it which I'm sure we all did Stu never put on the costume at all through the movie Billy did that one time when he was going and standing behind Randy that was actually Billy but I'm sure you already knew that.
Tbh for this scene I always thought the killer was Stu and the caller Billy because they did say while sitting by the fountain next day that Stu dated Casey until she dumped him for Steve.
But then again Tatum also said that Stu was with her that night which would indicate that Billy either did the job solo or Stu got away from Tatum for a bit and called from Tatum's house.
I mean the job could've been done before Stu went to Tatum's house as well because I don't remember seeing what time it was. So many possibilities lol
Almost 25 years later and this opening scene is still one of the BEST pieces of horror cinema ever made.
Ong. I just wonder how like billy and Stu knocked out Steve. Like when we saw him, he had a sliced knee, bloody nose, blood on the his forehead, like billy and Stu did more to him that Zach said. Billy and Stu must’ve jumped his ass hard lmao.
Indeed
I just busted
I literally watched it yesterday dude absolutely brilliant!!
I would say best pieces of cinema ever, it’s so so good👏👏
Hey Zack, you should map out Stu's house scene. Been wondering about that for years
Great idea!
Yes please that be great
There’s also a video tour of stu machers house on youtube
I'm waiting for this
Still waiting
I’ve seen that movie so many times including in the theater and I can’t believe that I always missed Billy calling out to Stu on the phone until you pointed it out
I thought after the mother says I can hear her we see Casey then Ghostface grunts and disconnects the phone
Same
@@robertrapoport2093 It’s a grunt. Like “Hmph!” It’s not “hey” lol.
@@k.t.1641 I disagree after listening to it many times
@MetaVerse Man Well that’s your opinion you’re entitled to it. I like to think he said hey
The question of which door Ghostface was at was the same as the Friday the 13th question: because Ghostface never specified whether it was the franchise or the first movie they were talking about, Casey could've answered with either Jason or Pamela and still gotten it wrong.
Stu admits later that they ask vague enough questions that you die either way.
This is incredibly well done and bone-chilling, but also unintentionally hilarious since it has Stu getting knocked out by Casey and then almost getting caught when her parents do come home. But then, that's Scream in a nutshell.
BOO-GAH!!! You're right. Thank you, and yes Stu is a bit of a basket case in this interpretation. Swarming around like a fly trying to get out the window 😆
He said “Friday the 13th”. Not “Friday the 13th part (whatever). So yeah Pamela Vorhees.
@@williammcclanahan4518 90% of people you ask that question would assume you're talking about the franchise, not the movie.
Kimberly Terasaki 100% of people who’ve seen scream will answer correct
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 exactly..most people would answer Jason as he's the icon, rather than the real answer being Mrs Voorhees. If she answered Mrs Voorhees, he still would've said that's the wrong answer as Jason is the main killer of the franchise.
I like how you made it in real time. I watched the movie along with this and it makes SO MUCH sense.
Nice! Thank you for doing that 😊
That is actually very smart to do. I might try it myself. Thanks for the idea!
I also watched it along with the movie and its so appreciated that you put the effort to do that instead of just explaining it. Makes its that much more real. Ever since I first saw the movie when it came out. I had all these same questions. Who did what, where and how. Not until the adoption of the internet have I encountered others that are just a fan of movie as I am. Really appreciate all the efforts on the movies. Really hoping 5 blows us away.
Watching the movie long time with this and it makes much makes so much sense.
Yea it made this video so much better
I always kind of had a feeling that it was Billy who murdered Casey. We can make a parallel with the camera shot of Billy raising his knife before stabbing Casey which may also be seen at the end of the movie where Billy raises his knife to stab Sidney before getting shot by Gale. I wonder if this was ever intentional.
This is an excellent animation!
Thank you Chanse! I actually know about that, and had every intention of mentioning it when he started chasing her down the side of the house. But then I got so caught in the sound effect of the non existent breaking glass that I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.
It was him cuz stu was at tatmas house
Kevin Williamson said it was Stu and he wrote it
Billy used both hands to grasp the knife, which would implicate Stu as the one who killed her.
@@freedomlover9560 other way around
Considering this is my favorite movie and has been for 20 years I’m binging all your scream videos . I love it!!! 👻
Thank you 😊 Scream is one of the best for sure!
I'm only 12 started watching it last year watched alm movies cant wait for the fifth
@@tiffanykafesu8740 noice
I found this way more interesting than I should have...
This was such a great breakdown but what always gets me is that Casey would have lived if she had ran for the woods when she first got out of the house. Neither knew where she was so by the time they realized, she would have been long gone. Another thing is she could have thrown the phone at her parents to get their attention when they were by the porch. Billy and Stu really just got lucky with killing her cuz there were so many ways their plan could have gone wrong
Yes, that always got me too! If she would have kept running and never stopped they would not have caught up to her. Even if she ran toward the front of the house/the road her parents would have seen her before Billy caught up
Or she could've lured them into the woods so hopefully wolves or a bear attacked them
Let’s be honest, if she had thrown the phone, Billy would’ve just killed the parents too
If you listen to the sound of the voice squeal when Casey Becker kicks the killer, it sounds like Stu. Remember when Billy jabs him in the stomach at the party with his hand. Interesting thought here.
Man, I think we’ll never know who killed Casey. It only could have been billy. Remember when stu said “nah I didn’t kill anybody” billy said “nobody said you did” he’s basically saying ofc you didn’t do it cuz I did it. Billy is a sick fuck, lol. But man billy and Stu will forever be the best ghostface duo of the scream franchise.
@@LastDebt555no he is basically saying “shut up”
Two very minor things I would have done differently:
1. I would have had a camera icon in the top-down view where the camera is in Scream, allowing someone who isn't watching along with Scream to see what is and isn't in the camera's FOV. You were talking about how Stu had to get in and out quickly, but to someone who hasn't seen Scream in a while, that's lost on me, because I have very little memory of where the camera was.
2. I would have done more "Animations". Nothing extreme- just changing the victim's icon's rim colour to red when they get stabbed, or changing their icon to Greyscale when they die.
Apart from that, 10/10. I would like more of these, please.
he said watch the scene alongside the video
You just made me see this whole scene in a new light and enhanced the experience of the movie for me. You, sir, are a legend.
This is so unbelievably DETAILED and CLEVER, bro! You’re so intelligent and know how to put the pieces together! You’re so amazing at this and it’s absolutely GENIUS! I never thought I’d see an analysis of Casey’s death on such a deep level! You have serious talent and you’d be great at solving murders in real life, too! Your videos never fail to mesmerize me! 😃
This is precisely the way I figured it went down, but I always thought Stu was the one to kill Casey. It seemed so “poetic” that she’d recognize him, especially, and you can see the realization and hurt in her eyes in that little moment. This was a cool illustration. I’d actually love to see this for all the “who killed who” in these films. Well done.
I always felt it to be more poetic that the “mastermind” of the killers was the one to kill Casey. The cinema language of the opening scene is to make it seem like it’s one near superhuman killer instead of two. So the first onscreen ghostface kill being Billy Loomis seems more fitting. And yeah Casey would recognise her Ex’s best friend
Something else I noticed during this scene when casey first sees Steve he's responding like he can hear what's being said cuz when billy tells her turn off the light Steve shakes his head no like he could hear what casey heard so billy probably really isn't too far away and he keeps looking to his left ( right from casey's view )
The end of the video when you said, “I’ll be right back” was so hilarious to me 🤣
This was such a great idea for a video. Always wanted to know what happened in this opening scene as it's my favorite horror movie intro ever.
Thanks! Mine too. It really was transcendent of the franchise. And with the level of direction Wes put into it, I don't know of anything else that has been able to come anywhere near as close since then.
Your theory makes the absolute most sense of that scene. And the mapping out of it, helped a lot.
Next time I watch this movie, I’m going to have a completely new and fresh perspective all thanks to you. Job well done on this video. Who knew there was so much more to a movie that was made over 25 years ago. None of this ever crossed my mind. Thank you so much for your content and knowledge. You got a new sub!
Thanks Samatha! It's such an incredibly well directed/edited/written/acted movie, and I'm not giving enough people credit here, but Wes Craven put his all into this. I'm happy to share this with you, and I appreciate that 😊
This makes the scene insanely more horrifying. Tell me you don’t feel that way? Wow. This is incredibly in-depth and I need to watch this while the moving is playing. This most definitely had to be a 2 man job, it’s just impossible for it not to be.
I’m so glad TH-cam recommended you’re channel! I really enjoyed this!
your* oml
Thanks James! I'm glad they you found me 😊
I like this theory. But when Steve is killed, you hear the sound of him being stabbed over the phone. If Stu did it, how did Billy's phone pick up the sound?
Interesting point! Well spotted.
Personally I always felt both killed Steve. Steve has a lot of damage to his chest. I figured both Stu and Billy gutted him
There has been a fan theory for years that says there is a secret third killer in Scream 1 and this third killer has to be Roman Bridger from Scream 3. Since he is the mastermind of the whole Scream franchise and motivated Billy to commit the Woodsboro murders, he also has to be present at Casey's house
so maybe he's the one helping Stu stab Steve or the one who speaks to Casey on the phone.
But it wasn't confirmed in any of the sequels, so it's still a fan theory and you will probably never know if it's true.
Billy was at the back of the house making the phone calls after sitting on the swing set when you get the first look at Steve he clearly looks to his left and right trying to signal to Casey there’s two of them on both sides
the sound of him getting stabbed isn't over the phone though.
You did an absolutely amazing job! For 24 years, I just concluded Stu killed both (revenge kills) and Billy was the caller. You put a great deal of effort and thought into this. Yours make so much more sense than the nonsense I believed for a quarter century! Thank you so much.
Thank you! I'm happy that I was able to articulate and illustrate my thought process in a way that made sense, and I appreciate your kind words 😊
I always thought they'd kidnapped Steve a while before and took him with them, judging by the speed they had him taped up on the chair ready.
I can’t wait for your channel to blow up like it deserves man
Thank you! I appreciate that 😊
First of all, I love how much detail you put into this video!
I think it's more likely that both Billy and Stu were downstairs the whole time. Stu randomly spinning around at just the right time to see Casey outside the window seems a bit too coincidental. I think it's more likely that Stu just happened to be standing in front of that window when Casey looked up while Billy was looking in his direction and saw Casey behind him, pointing her out. If Billy had been upstairs and heard their scuffle, it's more likely he would have run directly to find Stu first to know his status. For him to attack Casey as quickly as he did, he would have had to have her in his sight almost the entire time.
I think this definitely adds to the creep factor of this entire scene. Being stalked is creepy enough, but now knowing where they were at each beat of the opening film adds a jarring effect and more of a demented aspect to the characters.
I’m obsessed with your content on Scream. I’ve been watching the Scream movies since i was like 6 and I didn’t realise how intricately this movie was mapped out. I knew the third act was but not the entire thing
Me: **randomly tells my mom heads weigh about the same as bowling balls**
My mom: **CONCERNED**
I always thought the “hey” at the end was ghostface noticing the phone was still on and that’s why you hear it hang up directly after. But I do like your theory better. Everything about this seems dead on.
Also, your theory about them both being present and at each door has to be right. Moments after Steve is slashed he asks “which door am I at?” Which should be obvious that he’s at the patio door.. but even after the chair is thrown Casey doesn’t go for the front door. I always thought that was a give away that they are both there. The movie has two killers for this reason.
Very cool and well thought out!! Can you do more of these for this franchise ? I personally would like to see how they pulled off Tatums death
Thank you. I only did it for this scene because there is so much out of sight direction going on. There aren’t many other scenes in the franchise that would need to be drawn out, as they could more so be easily explained. I’ll do a video like that at some point, but this was a lot of work for this video and I probably won’t be doing anything like that ever again haha.
@@ZackCherry Awww I understand that this was a lot of work and I really enjoyed this video because it makes it creepier that they predicted almost everything up to the unexpected ( Casey ran into the kitchen then exited out the back door). But its kinda sad to think that this is the only one and its unlikely that you would make another one.
Maybe one on Halloween when Laurie walks over to lindseys house and gets trapped inside. I always wondered how he locks the front door on her from the outside then sneaks upstairs after locking the side glass door from the outside
@@GregMuniz7 yes, I love that idea
Very cool to do much these franchiseally would like to see how they pulled off Tatum's death
To me this is one of if not the best opening scene in movie history.. Always loved it but omg the details you have picked up here is incredible! I never even noticed the front door was slightly open when her parents got back indicating stu let Billy in 🙉 Great vid 👍 So glad I found this channel! Question.. Could you also do a what you didn't see video on the final act of the movie at stu's house? I know you did the who killed who video which was awesome but a detailed version of what Billy and stu are doing during that party would be amazing ❤
Thank you! I don't think I could. It really only works for this scene as its shown in real time. Plus there's way too many characters involved. It would be a nightmare to make.
You are literally the only person who has some common sense on this theory! (subbed btw) I completely agree with everything that was stated...and that you made an actual mock up on how it would've been done is incredible! Keep the Scream content coming! 😱🔪☎️
Thank you. I think everyone has some pretty good theories, and because we are given so little to work with, it justifies most of them. I just look at it logically. Anyway, I appreciate you saying so, and I will do!
I would love to see more breakdowns like this, perhaps for the first few Friday the 13th films which actually have a sense of realism to the killer's movements.
F13 was just the mother.
@@GretSeat Or was it? There's a few moments that don't make a lot of sense in terms of the order of events or how quickly they occur if it's just Pamela. Also, she's pretty huge in a few scenes and has some lovely hairy knuckles. Not judging, just throwing out 'evidence' for my case. :p
Killer movements.
I hope you make more of these! This was really interesting to watch.
I love this concept ! It's really amazing and interesting !
Thank you arrow!
Not one thing I disagree with. Really well done and thought out! 👍
Thanks SashaRicky, I appreciate that!
This is so rewatchable Zack. Sure ive suggested it before a couple years back but man id love to see you break down the opening scene to scream 2 like this and also CiCis phone call/death scene 🙏 Theyre both close to happening in real time and im fully convinced both killers are present for both
This actually makes me love the opening scene even more. It even adds a new level of scary to it because with your animation, you can see the whole plan they had unfold, what they are doing while we mainly just see everything from Casey’s perspective in the film. You should do more of these.
I love this, it’s so smart, you should do this with the other movies!
Thank you! I think this is the only movie scene I've ever felt needed this kind of detailing. But it was also way too much work to warrant doing it for more movies.
Damn, this was fun. I started watching the movie in about seven seconds into the animation as suggested and it was perfect. Thanks for this because it did answer a lot of questions about this opening kill.......
1,the mapping of that house is on point,2,it makes sense that both of them were there cause that’s definitely a big load for 1 guy to handle.
I've been watching all your Scream videos alongside a Scream marathon for Halloween, such great stuff! Love it, keep going :)
i've been waiting my whole life for this!
I always wondered what that "hey" or whatever it is was, on the phone when the dad takes it from the mom.. Hmm this could definitely make sense..
Even if he's not saying "Hey" or if he's saying "Tree" like someone else suggested, it's meant to be some sort of communicative grunt towards his partner.
@Right To Censor Tbf if you relax your hand with tensing any of its muscles and tendons the fingers curl inwards automatically which would probably be able to keep hold of a phone slightly. I like your name btw old white socks Stevie Richards!
@Right To Censor She was using it as a weapon to defend her self tho, she hit them several times before losing strength and conciousness whilst holding it
Sound just like a grunt to me “hmph” right before he stabs her for the last time. The gutting 🤢
@@k.t.1641 she goes hmp because she’s being hanged.
I’m so happy I found your channel. Scream is my ultimate favorite movie, and I love seeing these breakdowns. Thank you! Feel free to make more of these for other scenes! :)
the animation matchup was INCREDIBLE i watched this next to the opening scene and wow it was aamzing
I would love to see more videos with the mapping out of certain kills like this. Maybe one of Halloween between the 2 houses where annie and Laurie are, I've always wondered where he was throughout the night while he pops up and disappears.
You should make these kind of videos for all four scream on all the kills even though others have before.
Thanks. I don't think I'll ever make another video like this. I don't think it can be done with the other movies. Wes didn't put as much effort into the sequels as he did the original, and it just seemed like the Weinsteins wanted him for branding purposes and didn't really give him the time or opportunity to put his skills to the test. With that said, I would love to do discussion videos on how I think the killers plotted their schemes, as I do think there is a lot to be said.
This is very creative. I’m actually gonna watch the opening scene with this video in mind. Everything makes perfect sense. You should do one for the other Scream films.
This is what happened. Caseys chase was so chaotic that it was a matter of who got to her first. Stu got knocked out by the phone so Billy had to go get her. Stabbing and strangling is Billys MO so Billy stabbed, strangled, and wounded Casey. He could've finished her off but he didn't because she was meant for Stu. After wounding her Billy brought her to Stu where Stu finished her off by gutting (his MO) her. So yes Stu did kill Casey but not in a way that we all thought he did.
As for recognizong the killer. She was shocked that it was a classmate and her ex's bestfriend. By then she figured out there were two killers so she knew Stu was involved.
Another detail. When Billy decided to strangle her, he was strangling her till she passes out where he can bring her to Stu so he can kill her.
When she was being dragged she you can see she mainly got stabbed on the sides. Meaning that Billy wounded her, brought her to Stu, and Stu delivered the fatal blow.
nuh uh
Great job, Zack!
I was able to follow this very well. There's one thing I'm wondering though. I don't remember hearing the "hey" Billy says to Stu. I just watched the opening scene here on YT to try to hear it, but couldn't.
Perhaps someone can point it out for me?
Thank you! I'm happy to know it made sense. as for the "Hey" its more of a grunt which we hear right before the phone line goes dead. My friend thinks this is just him making another noise as he stabs her again, but to me it sounds like he is trying to get the other one's attention to come over and help him out. And logistically at this point with the amount of time they had left to hang her body and gut her, he wouldn't have had time to start stabbing her some more.
Very well done. I've always had the thought that Casey and Stu broke up because Casey cheated with Steve therefore that's why Stu wanted them dead (and why I have believed that Stu killed them both). But this could also be plausible...
Based on this animation (for my theory), what if Billy had sent Stu upstairs (as Stu had dated Casey, therefore have more knowledge of the house set up - and would be able to search the upstairs quickly) and Billy looked for Casey downstairs, and as Casey makes her way around the back of the house, Stu comes down the stairs, sees Billy on the floor, sees Casey outside near Steve and runs to get her tackling her. As for the breaking glass we hear that you mention at 13:00 that could be Billy on the inside breaking more glass on the window as he gets up. And when Billy sees the parents coming, he darts out of the back door to get to Casey's body and Stu (going through the door nearest Steve's body), and they both drag Casey's body to the swing, string her up and then dart away as Casey's mother comes near the front door.
What do you think about that possibility, out of curiosity? (And thank you for suggesting I watch this breakdown of the opening scene)
It could have been them swapped. I don't think there was much time to think on what to do as they were just panicking to find her. But from everything I've seen, it leads me to believe that Billy stabbed Casey. He seemed to be more so in control of the situation. Stu didn't have the greatest coping mechanism for bumps in the plan, ie Gale taking the gun at the end.
It was Billy who killed Casey because of their kill methods. Billy stabs in a frantic rage motion (e.g. Principal Himbry) and strangles when his weapon is not available, while Stu slices and dices in an opportunistic attack (e.g. Kenny).
More importantly, Stu would have been the one to get the first shot at killing Casey, so it would make sense that he was the Ghostface in the kitchen that got knocked out with the phone. If you look at the positioning of where Casey got tackled by Ghostface, it’s very clear that it’s not possible for Stu from the kitchen to get to her that quickly, so it must have been Billy who spotted her escaping and chased her down.
@@markrobinson9394 You can also see Stu checking for a bruise (using Tatum's hand mirror) in the exact spot that Casey hit Ghostface with the phone. So it was 100% him in that moment.
Honestly, a whole series of how the scenes went would be amazing! Because a lot of the scenes I have no idea how they pulled it off
This makes so much sense. Idek why but u did a great job bro.
Near end when they were telling Sydney everything they said about asking the questions of you get the question wrong you die but if you get it right you still die so it didn't !atter if she got questions wrong or not they were going to kill her regardless
I think it was both of them as well. when they were all outside discussing Casey murder. The looks between stu and billy were like they were enjoying talking about it as they were both there.
Some pretty solid acting from those two
I assumed that they were both involved too on my second viewing, based on three things. Firstly the last question of the game "which door am I at?" is a trick question and it wouldn't have mattered which door she picked. Secondly if Steve was big and played football it would probably take both of them to subdue him. Thirdly I think it would have taken two people to get Casey hanging up in that tree as quickly as they did. I assumed it was Billy on the phone and Stu was doing most of the heavy lifting. Besides revenge, I think another reason they picked Casey is because Stu would have had a pretty good idea of the layout of the house.
Exactly. And I can't see Stu being able to draw a very good house layout for Billy. I don't know why I'm being so mean to Stu, haha. But I like to think he brought Billy to the house in the days preceding the murder (when nobody was home) just so they could do a dry run of it. It is a very complex scheme, with all the back and forth they've got going on. It would need to be rehearsed.
@@ZackCherry Poor Stu 😂. It is a pretty complex scheme, that's why I think it has to be both of them and it would make sense to pick a place that was familiar to at least one of them. Plus look at that location, they could do whatever they wanted out there and they wouldn't be seen or interrupted.
Yo man, synced this up to the movie, it's perfect. Well done man good job 👍
You are really good at making these videos
You messed up. You said it was Billy on the phone and Stu was at the patio door? Nope bc if you pay attention to when the killer says "your call" right before he throws the chair through the glass door you can here him grunt over the phone. So that means the killer on the phone is the same one throwing the chair.
I agree with almost everything, but the second half switch it. Stu opened the door for Billy, and then went upstairs. Billy went looking for Casey, and then got hit in the face by Casey's phone. Ghostface makes the same jump scare that Billy makes near the end of the movie after he killed Tatum. Literally the same exact thing. Stu killed Casey. He had the motive to kill both.
I agree with your theory, but in my opinion it´s Billy who killed Casey. He got punched by Casey´s phone and then jumped onto Casey. It´s obvious the same Ghostface and you can see it on his deformed mask. You can see him strangle Casey like he did with Sidney at the end and he raises his knife over Casey. And so he did with Sidney. So its obvious Billy.
Again... THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Amazing.
It also makes the opening scene so much more creepy and unsettling. I view it completely differently now (in a good way).
Thank you 😊
I love the mapping and how you did it love like how they were doing it while showing us where/what they are doing.
Totally agree with everything you said of how they did it.
That's so cool!
I think it would be interessting for the whole set up of the finale too. begining withTatum's death and everything that happens afterwards. Like the staged attack on Billy.
I mean, I don't think Billy just layed upstairs, predending to be stabbed the whole time. What about him being the one creepy up behind Randy and then killing Kenny?
And after that, putting Kenny on the Van, with Stus help. Than Billy might have put his costume into the closet, where sidney finds it later, and going back upstairs to make his final entrance as the wounded Billy?
Especially lifting Kenny's corpse up on the Van made me think of them both working together in this hole situation. And also: who is the one stabbing Dewey and then doing this creepy police car scene? Also seems like a Billy thing.
There are certainly some good points you bring up there. I always just imagined Billy just sat up there playing snakes on his dad's cellphone while he waited for his cue haha. I'll definitely have to re-evaluate that one.
@@ZackCherry haha. that's a funny image.
But i guess Billy would never let Stu have all the fun with killing alone :)
I will also rewatch the final scene and think about how they split up.
It would be awesome, if you could do a video about that complex scene. It was always wondered, who killed who in the finale, starting with Tatum. Or even starting with the kidnapping of Neil Prescott. Maybe you don't have to do a real-time amination for it, as this seems sooooo much work. Maybe more simple floor plans help to visualize it as well. You do great stuff so far :)
It's a lot of work, even just to do the one for the opening scene. But I will definitely have theory videos to talk about it.
it’s is absolutely 100% fresh and new
Thank you Nick! I appreciate that.
Now I'm going picture this the next time I watch Scream! Nice work ;)
Thanks! That is the only way I picture the scene. I was able to post the animation with the picture in picture of the scene over on my instagram if you want to watch it there.
@@ZackCherry Cool Thanks Zach!
This channel is BRILLIANT! Scream is my all time favorite horror movie. Keep up the good work!
This is pretty cool. Will you do this with all of the kills?
The Death of Tatum would be interesting.
I still think Stu was the Killer. He could just say to his Guests " I go to the Toilet, i'll be right baaack in a few minutes". The Killer comes from inside and goes back inside and he has the keys. I would be to risky when Billy would do this. Yeah Billy gives a Nod to Stu, but this could mean: "good work Stu" or "I did the thing with Principal Himbry")
For me it makes much more sense with Stu. The Killer was really stupid in this scene. Like a Drunk Stu would be like. And if it would have been Billy, he would be Wet and smell like Beer. (And his Dick would hurt, lol)
Thanks Ben! And no haha. This was already way too much work as it was. I did it for this scene because it runs in real time and there are logistics to their set up that needed to be visualized.
Ben Slashes Yeah I think it was Stu as well lol😂😭
Nah that was def billy. Billy came from the garage literally right after tatums death.
@@amandamorgan8349 The Killer goes back inside the house. Billy comes from Outside. And there is no way out for Billy without being seen. Watch my "Mapping Out Tatums Death" Video. I made a whole map of Stus House, including all the Doors.Then maybe you will see why it maked no sense with Billy. The only way out of the House, would have been through the Front Door and a Door in the Kitchen. And at the Time of Tatums Death Everyone was at the Door or around the Kitchen.
And if it was Billy....why wouldnt he go through the Garage Door to the Outside? The Killer goes back into the House. (Cause its Stu and he must go back to his Party Guests 😁)
It was Billy. How could the door just close and lock her in like that when the killer was already in the garage. Stu sent her in there then locked her in because he knew that Billy would be waiting. Furthermore the grunts the killer makes when getting hit by Tatum matches Billy's voice more. And finally when Billy shows up at the front door he gives Stu a look that Tatum's been taken care of. It had to of been Billy who killed her
I think that it was Billy who *attacked* Casey but Stu was the one to finish her off. I completely agree that Billy was the one to strangle and stab Casey but think about it. Billy Stabs and Stu Slices.Billy Goes for the chest everytime whereas Stu's confirmed murders are on the torso and throat. Also Casey was alive until she was gutted and hanged and Disembowelment is what killed her and Disembowelment is Stu's M.O. Hence, Stu delivered Casey's last blow. Hence for me it goes like this - (FATALITY blows only)
Maureen Prescott - Billy.
Steven Orth - Stu.
Casey Becker - Stu.
Arthur Himbry - Billy.
Tatum - Billy.
Kenny - Stu.
Glad that I found this channel. I’ve been subscribed for a little over 3-4 months now and I don’t regret it.
I watched the audio commentary on Scream and Kevin Williamson himself did confirm that the opening scene with Casey Becker was a 2 man job, that neither Billy or Stu could've done this on thier own.
0:23 where’s that picture from?
I think Stu killed Casey and probably Steve too. She dumped him for Steve and he was an unhinged nutcase, it makes sense.
Casey was escaping so whoever got to her first had to kill her regardless of motive. I agree that it was Billy based on how the killer holds the knife (with one hand) and that he was choking her too just like Billy did to Sidney at the end of the film.
Scream is such a great movie. The fact that its possible to map this all out is amazing. I'm sure there are a ton of films that are actually impossible to map out like this.
This was really good especially seeing it along with the movie and there was so many things I never noticed before 😱
I always wanted to know how they killed Steve without being seen?
Right? Stu works fast.
Watch slashers and you'll know why.
Billy didn’t kill Casey. It was confirmed by Kevin Williamson that Stu killed her
Kevin was the writer, not the director.
Wes planned the shots, so he had say over what details were put into them. Based on the killers’ MO, Stu killed Steve and got knocked out with the phone, then Billy chased down and killed Casey.
Mark Robinson exactly, I’ve always thought as since I was a little kid, billy was the one who killed Casey. It only could have been billy, since he’s more aggressive and especially since he’s a sick fuck lmao. It would obviously make more sense that Stu would be the one who wanted to kill Steve ofc. Since he took Casey away from him. I totally agree with Zach’s statement. If you watch the the opening and watch this video at the same time, you even see it kinda goes with everything he stated. But, people gotta stop debating on who killed Casey, cuz it was 99% billy. Unless someone changes my mind, which will probably not gonna happen. That only could have been billy.
I never thought about how the "which door am I at" was also a trick question since they were probably at both
Awesome power of deduction. You'd make a far more powerfull addition to this franchise then deputy Dewey ever Will be🤣
I’ll just stick to being the Top Story field correspondent. Thanks for the love 😊
I was with you all the way up until Billy remained at the front and Stu stayed at the back. I think they switched places after her boyfriend was gutted. Billy always stabbed with both hands clenching the knife, Stu used a one-handed style. This would also make sense considering the action was controlled with the chair-throw in the back to get her to run out the front door.
Also, Stu dated her and was dumped, so it would be an obvious choice for Stu to actually kill her himself.
It's the inverse with the stabbing styles, actually.
Dude you put a lot of effort into making these ! Your honesty the GOAT
This is one of the best videos on youtube. Thank YOU!
I go out of my way to watch this video. Stellar work, Zack!
I really really appreciate the work you did here. It makes me so much more interested in the movie and I still hate the brand for copywrite striking the cut in we needed....
this is perfect. anyone who claims there was one killer there doesn’t get the brilliance of the line asking what door he’s at. there’s a killer at both doors.
this was so good! job well done sir👏🏼
Thank you Lloyd!
You are literally so UNDERATED! This was so cool, I loved your theory, and I totally agree with this. Amazing!
This was great! I synced the movie perfectly and your explanation was very entertaining! Watching the rest today as well! Thanks.
Bro, ALL your videos are about Scream! My favorite Slasher! I hit subscribe as soon as I saw that! Great work!
I’m a year late but I love this so much! I’ve been watching your Scream vids and I dig all your content. Nice job!
This is fine work.
On the possibility Casey got the Mrs. Voorhees question right, I bet some other similar questions were lined up.
Can you please do more of these, they really entertain me, and make a lot of sense when I watch the movie again!
Amazing video, loved it and I agree with you that Billy was the one that killed Casey and the one that made the phone call, I hope you do this for the rest of the movies
Thanks Arthur! I think this was the first and last time I do something like this. It was a lot of work, and I don't think any of the other movies warrant such a detailed visual breakdown, as no murder scene has ever been as calculated in its direction than this one.
@@ZackCherry God bless your hard working heart 🤗 yeah I agree with you but I just want new videos to watch and enjoy every time you announce a new video on Instagram I get so excited 😂❤
Elinora, I can do that for sure!
I truly appreciate that, Arthur 😊
This is amazing and I'd say this is certainly entirely spot on, the only real part that I could add is that I like to imagine both of them being on the phone, you know how theres several hanging ups so yeh. Like when it's more looming and serious, more horror trivia based it's certainly Billy, but when it's more flirty or conedic, it gotta be my man Stu. Also especially the boyfriend remarks
Before your channel i never really questioned how the plan worked out or how many people were in this scene, I always assumed it was one person but now, im just amazed how it played out, thank you for the video
I thought a long time that it was Billy alone at the beginning and Stu came first on the plan, when Billy was in jail.
please never stop making videos
Thank you! I promise 😊
Amazing video! Thank you for making it and clearing things up!
That was so awesome to watch synced up with the movie!!! Great video forsure!!!
Thanks Marc 😊
after 25 years and multiple viewings, I never realized Ghostface doesn't jump through a window when you hear the glass break sound effect, until you pointed it out