Thank you. I’m currently is having a wrist issue from trying to square my club using my wrist. I have a bulging tendon on my wrist under the thumb area and it hurts. I will try this method of turning and squaring the club face without flipping. Hope this can save my golf game because I’m ready to quit. It just too painful to play and affect everything else too. Again, THANK YOU.
Always great videos Eric what has helped me just recently I started turning my left ear down at setup I am blasting the ball and it amazingly helps on putting from tons of swings over the years I have done just the opposite right ear down anyway try it Eric especially on the greens i think it helps from getting to much loft on my putts …
This is exactly the information I've been trying to find. It's such a simple movement, but it really isn't explained anywhere that I've seen. The general idea for me is, "arms, not wrists".
Yes, if you had excessive forearm rotation in the downswing, that would typically steepen your attack angle and shift your path more from out to in (across the ball). The timing and amount always matters :)
So to me… this one is confusing. I play with a pretty closed face at the top and just try to pivot and hold my face. If I release like this it’s going dead left. I’ve read/heard and tinkered with active roll release (like this one) passive holds, and “throw” releases. I guess I wish I knew the right match up for what type of player you are.. or where you are at coming into the ball. I feel (maybe I’m wrong) that this more rolling or supination release (like bender) is harder to time. Any thoughts?
Yep! The more closed your club face is earlier......the less you need this. Of course.....probably 80% of the golfing population has an OPEN club face at top and start of downswing.... So with an open club face..... they need to close it MORE during the downswing. But if you are already closed earlier......then of course you dont need as much. Hope that helps!
So I'm doing lessons with you, and you said to do less rotation >< I had club open at parallel to the ground on the downswing and rotated arm at last second. So there should be some rotation? I was trying to feel like there was no rotation in the swing
Hey ND! whats your real name? Message me on our site and lets discuss.....what the golfer needs will depend person to person. The point here is most golfers have an open face and need to close it more
Hey Richard.... Well that depends.... What if the golfers club face is too open? Either they do this.....add "timing" and hit it straighter and better......or.....not square the face, less timing and hit it more right and shorter like most golfers do :) Of course you could square it earlier......but it needs to be squared.
I played like this yesterday(before even seeing this video), because I’m constantly experimenting with things. I was really closed at the top, because I was afraid to allow the forearms to rotate on my backswing. That method had me feeling sooooo tight, and restrictive. However, yesterday, I decided to just let my arms move naturally throughout my swing, and the results were amazing. Had absolutely one of the best ball striking days that I’ve ever had(shot 3 over, 73). This natural forearm rotation is an AH HA moment in the golf swing. The freedom feels unreal. It allows you to feel the correct “turn”, and “extension”, at the top. It sets the club nicely on plane. It lets you release the club naturally through the ball. And, it allows you to “get through the ball”, and strike it so pure. For me, it resulted in a slight push draw, that felt absolutely effortless(5 yard draw at most). I highly recommend people to try this. Keep left arm straight, left wrist flat, and just allow the forearms to ROTATE naturally. It will truly change your game, and it feels so free, and effortless. Pointing the butt of the club at the ball/target line is a great way to feel this in the backswing.
Great tip! I think the problem that amateurs encounter with this is they want to "hit" the ball with the face ( kinda lay into it like a baseball bat). This is why the chicken wing ( trying to hold that face square). Not swing through the ball with this left arm rotation type of swing.
Eric have you got a youtube video or rather can you direct me to one of you youtube videos which marries this with hip rotation and the lead jip clearing in the downswing, and right shoulder down or rather trail shoulder low/ tilt in the sequence! And the fact that you must be coming from the inside Cheers Mate, A lot, I know!
This would not be what your other video called a passive release? Where the club face is closed at last parallel and squared at impact through rotation.
Hey Joe! Yep! The more closed your club face is earlier......the less you need this. Of course.....probably 80% of the golfing population has an OPEN club face at top and start of downswing.... So with an open club face..... they need to close it MORE during the downswing. But if you are already closed earlier......then of course you dont need as much. Hope that helps!
This is great information Eric. I start my rotation at the beginning of the down swing. If I don’t try to kill the ball I’m usually spot on, however if I need some extra yards I over rotate which closes the face and I end up with a bad hook. Guess I just need to let the club do the work. Thanks Eric!
So acting like your left hand is turning a throttle is not correct now or is this an action as a result of the throttle feeling. From watching you I'm hitting the ball better than ever and very very consistent. But sometimes it gets confusing and not everyone is trying to be a pro. We want to have fun and that's done playing good golf as an amateur. So sometimes I don't get why focus is so much on what the pros do when it would be great as to what we can do better. I've been coaching football a very long time and I never ever say well this is how the pros do it. I coach them up on whatever it is, proper execution and attempt to make them the best they can be. Anyway thank you for another video. Have a great day
You’re not comprehending this. The left wrist movement is totally independent of this. So yes…. You can still bow the left wrist, or keep it flat. This is simply talking about allowing the forearms to rotate naturally. Just like he said…. This is totally irrelevant to what your “hands”, and “wrists” do. I realize that it’s a strange concept, but when you get it, your golf game will sky rocket! Trust me.
@@ryancook263 It really is. I had seen golf instructors really criticize amateurs for wanting to “fan the club inside” on the takeaway. What they’re really trying to say is… don’t just pull the hands behind you, without turning your chest, and hips. The hands should travel more out, and up, as you make your backswing. But, because I didn’t fully understand the concept, I would literally try and restrict my forearm rotation, trying to keep the face pointing at the ball, throughout my backswing. This put me very closed at the top. I played pretty good golf like this, for a long time. However, it felt like a lot of effort, and felt very restrained. Now…. I allow my forearms to rotate naturally, which puts the club naturally on plane at the top. My swing feels so much more relaxed, and I rarely hit a ball fat, or thin anymore. This was truly a “light bulb” moment for me, and I’m so glad I changed it. For me, this change felt like the face was severely open at the top. But, it really wasn’t. I found that if I just allowed my forearms to do their thing, the face would return to square on its own, through impact.
@@jamiesloan7259 This is exactly the insight I needed to see! I also have been not rolling the arms on the back swing because all the TH-cam guys said not to. I DO turn the body though. So combing the rolling with the body turn is essential. Going to go try it tomorrow at the range!
There are many ways to skin a cat - for me personally, and everyone I've helped at the range, it is far easier to have the mind direct the focus on the Right Hand/Wrist/Forearm bones at the top, in transition, to turn the right hand to face backward (which requires you to rotate your right forearm bones) and to also add some right wrist extension (for power) than to think of the Left arm - I'd rather hit a right-hand tennis forehand than a Left-Hand backhand - it's just easier imo.
Wonder if this could hinder your weight transfer and promote chunking a bit more for some people like it did for me I think. I’ve tried focusing on right wrist extension in the downswing and for some reason I end up not rotating through the ball like I should; ie. Hitting behind the ball. For me personally, thinking about my left arm in transition and the down swing makes me feel more free to rotate my hips AND torso. Golf is such a crazy mental game! Different stuff works for different people I guess, like you said many ways to skin a cat!
@@samgagne3494 I was a competitive tennis player. 3 years ago I came back to the game after 18 years off with injury - I was a solid 10 handicap prior - all self-taught at the time from the golf channel and my natural hand-eye coordination. I sit here today, now a +1 handicap, and going lower, and I've gone to a 10-finger grip, with a midsized +4 grip, so I can get my right (tennis hand) properly on a grip with enough size to feel in control, and I have drop 100% of all notion of the left hand doing anything at all - left hand 0% - right hand 100%. I'm 53, left the game hitting in 2002 hitting a 7-iron 155, I now hit the same 7-iron 180 - all because I've been able to put my right hand in complete control, I can fire my right elbow for power, I have a big enough grip for my right hand to hold - and my clubhead speed is now 115 with the driver. To quote Ben Hogan - I wish I had 3 right hands at impact. When you look at all the long guys on tour, they all down-cock load their right wrist in transition at the top, and they are delivering the club into the kill zone with maximum right wrist extension unloading into the ball - just like we would hit a tennis forehand - and just like a baseball pitcher throws a ball - there is virtually ZERO left anything happening. If I can do it - anyone can.
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric - and I have a hell of a 1 hand right-handed tennis backhand - which requires a big right forearm to torque that crazy topspin with. I just have no idea how I would attempt to do the same thing with my left arm given there are virtually zero neurons connected in the brain to control that action - never mind nowhere near as much strength & coordination as my right arm has.
If I watch enough videos I can be bamboozled from one to the next. Not sure if you realize watching the chopstick from overhead it disappears from view so we never see what your preaching. I am not and never will be a pro level golfer is it possible coaches should determine the correct modifications for each golfer?
Wonderful explanation of how the arms work and how most of us are using our wrists to do what our arms should be doing tks so much
Thanks George!
Thank you. I’m currently is having a wrist issue from trying to square my club using my wrist.
I have a bulging tendon on my wrist under the thumb area and it hurts.
I will try this method of turning and squaring the club face without flipping. Hope this can save my golf game because I’m ready to quit. It just too painful to play and affect everything else too.
Again, THANK YOU.
Hope it helps and that your wrist gets better ASAP! Thanks for watching!
Eric, Have I correctly understood that the arm supination should start from the very beginning of the downswing? Thanks for your clarification. Carlos
Not quite right away......but lets say from left arm parallel to the ground through
Always great videos Eric what has helped me just recently I started turning my left ear down at setup I am blasting the ball and it amazingly helps on putting from tons of swings over the years I have done just the opposite right ear down anyway try it Eric especially on the greens i think it helps from getting to much loft on my putts …
Thanks John! Love it
@@CogornoGolf I really believe if you didn’t find your passion in golf you could have been a great coach in another sport no doubt about it .
Would this potentially get my face to path from +2-3 down to 0-1?
Yep--its ONE way to help close that face more
This is exactly the information I've been trying to find. It's such a simple movement, but it really isn't explained anywhere that I've seen. The general idea for me is, "arms, not wrists".
Yes! :)
If you start rotating the arm at the transition wouldn’t that kick the shaft out steep
Yes, if you had excessive forearm rotation in the downswing, that would typically steepen your attack angle and shift your path more from out to in (across the ball). The timing and amount always matters :)
So to me… this one is confusing. I play with a pretty closed face at the top and just try to pivot and hold my face. If I release like this it’s going dead left. I’ve read/heard and tinkered with active roll release (like this one) passive holds, and “throw” releases. I guess I wish I knew the right match up for what type of player you are.. or where you are at coming into the ball. I feel (maybe I’m wrong) that this more rolling or supination release (like bender) is harder to time. Any thoughts?
Yep!
The more closed your club face is earlier......the less you need this.
Of course.....probably 80% of the golfing population has an OPEN club face at top and start of downswing....
So with an open club face.....
they need to close it MORE during the downswing.
But if you are already closed earlier......then of course you dont need as much.
Hope that helps!
So I'm doing lessons with you, and you said to do less rotation ><
I had club open at parallel to the ground on the downswing and rotated arm at last second. So there should be some rotation? I was trying to feel like there was no rotation in the swing
Hey ND!
whats your real name? Message me on our site and lets discuss.....what the golfer needs will depend person to person.
The point here is most golfers have an open face and need to close it more
Eric, This looks like its based a lot on timing which to the average golfer could be a nightmare do you agree?
Hey Richard....
Well that depends....
What if the golfers club face is too open?
Either they do this.....add "timing" and hit it straighter and better......or.....not square the face, less timing and hit it more right and shorter like most golfers do :)
Of course you could square it earlier......but it needs to be squared.
I played like this yesterday(before even seeing this video), because I’m constantly experimenting with things. I was really closed at the top, because I was afraid to allow the forearms to rotate on my backswing. That method had me feeling sooooo tight, and restrictive. However, yesterday, I decided to just let my arms move naturally throughout my swing, and the results were amazing. Had absolutely one of the best ball striking days that I’ve ever had(shot 3 over, 73). This natural forearm rotation is an AH HA moment in the golf swing. The freedom feels unreal. It allows you to feel the correct “turn”, and “extension”, at the top. It sets the club nicely on plane. It lets you release the club naturally through the ball. And, it allows you to “get through the ball”, and strike it so pure. For me, it resulted in a slight push draw, that felt absolutely effortless(5 yard draw at most). I highly recommend people to try this. Keep left arm straight, left wrist flat, and just allow the forearms to ROTATE naturally. It will truly change your game, and it feels so free, and effortless. Pointing the butt of the club at the ball/target line is a great way to feel this in the backswing.
Love it Jamie!
Both ways can work----as you mentioned I think its key to find what works best for each person!
Eric. Is John part of your coaching school? What is his full name?
Hey Tony!
Nope but he's great
John Dunigan!
Wouldn’t this move steepen the shaft though? Instead of laying it down in transition?
Slight shallowing early THEN this part really kicks in to square face and get club back out on plane
Great tip! I think the problem that amateurs encounter with this is they want to "hit" the ball with the face ( kinda lay into it like a baseball bat). This is why the chicken wing ( trying to hold that face square). Not swing through the ball with this left arm rotation type of swing.
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Thank you! Hope this one helps!
Eric have you got a youtube video or rather can you direct me to one of you youtube videos which marries this with hip rotation and the lead jip clearing in the downswing, and right shoulder down or rather trail shoulder low/ tilt in the sequence! And the fact that you must be coming from the inside Cheers Mate, A lot, I know!
Try these:
th-cam.com/video/qgk4lUWTWAk/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/xsqR3_vBtyc/w-d-xo.html
This would not be what your other video called a passive release? Where the club face is closed at last parallel and squared at impact through rotation.
Hey Joe!
Yep!
The more closed your club face is earlier......the less you need this.
Of course.....probably 80% of the golfing population has an OPEN club face at top and start of downswing....
So with an open club face.....
they need to close it MORE during the downswing.
But if you are already closed earlier......then of course you dont need as much.
Hope that helps!
From the comments, you can see this one has us all shuck up! Am I mistaken or have you posted this before!
Yep! We like to re post videos we have done that I think people need to see again and again and again :)
@@CogornoGolf You duh man Eric!
This is great information Eric. I start my rotation at the beginning of the down swing. If I don’t try to kill the ball I’m usually spot on, however if I need some extra yards I over rotate which closes the face and I end up with a bad hook. Guess I just need to let the club do the work. Thanks Eric!
:)
Not a big surprise as many instructors talk about body release instead of hand and arm release.
👊Thanks for watching!
What’s this guys name John what??
John Dunigan👊
Not really knowing how to release the club has been my detriment for years and I still don’t really understand what I’m supposed to do.
Damn sorry to hear that Benjamin.....I will try and do better moving forward to explain better
So acting like your left hand is turning a throttle is not correct now or is this an action as a result of the throttle feeling. From watching you I'm hitting the ball better than ever and very very consistent. But sometimes it gets confusing and not everyone is trying to be a pro. We want to have fun and that's done playing good golf as an amateur. So sometimes I don't get why focus is so much on what the pros do when it would be great as to what we can do better. I've been coaching football a very long time and I never ever say well this is how the pros do it. I coach them up on whatever it is, proper execution and attempt to make them the best they can be. Anyway thank you for another video. Have a great day
You’re not comprehending this. The left wrist movement is totally independent of this. So yes…. You can still bow the left wrist, or keep it flat. This is simply talking about allowing the forearms to rotate naturally. Just like he said…. This is totally irrelevant to what your “hands”, and “wrists” do. I realize that it’s a strange concept, but when you get it, your golf game will sky rocket! Trust me.
@@jamiesloan7259 couldn't agree more. This is game changing.
@@ryancook263 It really is. I had seen golf instructors really criticize amateurs for wanting to “fan the club inside” on the takeaway. What they’re really trying to say is… don’t just pull the hands behind you, without turning your chest, and hips. The hands should travel more out, and up, as you make your backswing. But, because I didn’t fully understand the concept, I would literally try and restrict my forearm rotation, trying to keep the face pointing at the ball, throughout my backswing. This put me very closed at the top. I played pretty good golf like this, for a long time. However, it felt like a lot of effort, and felt very restrained. Now…. I allow my forearms to rotate naturally, which puts the club naturally on plane at the top. My swing feels so much more relaxed, and I rarely hit a ball fat, or thin anymore. This was truly a “light bulb” moment for me, and I’m so glad I changed it. For me, this change felt like the face was severely open at the top. But, it really wasn’t. I found that if I just allowed my forearms to do their thing, the face would return to square on its own, through impact.
@@jamiesloan7259 This is exactly the insight I needed to see! I also have been not rolling the arms on the back swing because all the TH-cam guys said not to. I DO turn the body though. So combing the rolling with the body turn is essential.
Going to go try it tomorrow at the range!
Thanks for the feedback Tom---will keep workin to do better!
There are many ways to skin a cat - for me personally, and everyone I've helped at the range, it is far easier to have the mind direct the focus on the Right Hand/Wrist/Forearm bones at the top, in transition, to turn the right hand to face backward (which requires you to rotate your right forearm bones) and to also add some right wrist extension (for power) than to think of the Left arm - I'd rather hit a right-hand tennis forehand than a Left-Hand backhand - it's just easier imo.
Wonder if this could hinder your weight transfer and promote chunking a bit more for some people like it did for me I think. I’ve tried focusing on right wrist extension in the downswing and for some reason I end up not rotating through the ball like I should; ie. Hitting behind the ball. For me personally, thinking about my left arm in transition and the down swing makes me feel more free to rotate my hips AND torso. Golf is such a crazy mental game! Different stuff works for different people I guess, like you said many ways to skin a cat!
@@samgagne3494 I was a competitive tennis player. 3 years ago I came back to the game after 18 years off with injury - I was a solid 10 handicap prior - all self-taught at the time from the golf channel and my natural hand-eye coordination. I sit here today, now a +1 handicap, and going lower, and I've gone to a 10-finger grip, with a midsized +4 grip, so I can get my right (tennis hand) properly on a grip with enough size to feel in control, and I have drop 100% of all notion of the left hand doing anything at all - left hand 0% - right hand 100%. I'm 53, left the game hitting in 2002 hitting a 7-iron 155, I now hit the same 7-iron 180 - all because I've been able to put my right hand in complete control, I can fire my right elbow for power, I have a big enough grip for my right hand to hold - and my clubhead speed is now 115 with the driver. To quote Ben Hogan - I wish I had 3 right hands at impact. When you look at all the long guys on tour, they all down-cock load their right wrist in transition at the top, and they are delivering the club into the kill zone with maximum right wrist extension unloading into the ball - just like we would hit a tennis forehand - and just like a baseball pitcher throws a ball - there is virtually ZERO left anything happening. If I can do it - anyone can.
Thank you for watching, Paul!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric - and I have a hell of a 1 hand right-handed tennis backhand - which requires a big right forearm to torque that crazy topspin with. I just have no idea how I would attempt to do the same thing with my left arm given there are virtually zero neurons connected in the brain to control that action - never mind nowhere near as much strength & coordination as my right arm has.
You better be coming from the inside when you do this
You better be coming from inside no matter what you do lol :)
If I watch enough videos I can be bamboozled from one to the next. Not sure if you realize watching the chopstick from overhead it disappears from view so we never see what your preaching. I am not and never will be a pro level golfer is it possible coaches should determine the correct modifications for each golfer?
Sorry for any confusion there Simmo----thanks for watching!