This has changed my game this summer. Shot 2 under(70) yesterday. Ball striking is next level. You described this perfectly, by the way. Great “game changing” video.
Agree 100%. You’ve taken a difficult concept for some people to grasp, and have explained it very well. Many novice golfers are so afraid to let their forearms rotate. You’re exactly correct that the club IS designed to naturally produce this head rotation about the axis of the shaft. So many people fight this!
God bless you for speaking truth to power! First golf TH-cam coach to NOT flat lie about the body, forearm, wrist match up needed to get the face rotating around the hosel, which actually stabilizes the clubface. Golf coaches everywhere are cringing mad at you for revealing this secret.
I started golfing late on and have been drowning in a million TH-cam videos and getting worse for 2 years now. Like most here I've been trying to keep the club square on the backswing and to compound it, also trying to time wrist movements in the hitting area. Went to the driving range today and just let the forearm rotation happen on the backswing and was amazed by the results. It's counter-intuitive, the more I allowed the forearm rotation the more distance and accuracy I had with my irons. I was just using the body rotation to uncoil and rotate the club back into position on the downswing. Exactly like you said, my lead arm has been collapsing with a horrible over swing. Why isn't this more widely taught :)
Forearm rotation in the backswing works great for me and has helped my game. I get soo confused tho because I feel like 50% of teachers/videos say to do this and the other 50% say don’t and that you are inadvertently opening the face.
@kerrodgraygolf definately helping kerrod I feel I am generating more speed with better forearm rotation as long as everything's going back in sequence and I don't over hot it , slower more rhythmic back swing to make sure I rotate coil up then realise thru ball . Just a question what's best feel for knowing how to initiate the forearm.rotation does it come more from rear arm or mixture of both or rotation of left side
Finally a simple basic explanation ive been.given to much bad advice no wonder my long irons and drives have been off keep getting tild to hold of and various other things , what your saying you have to allow arms to to rotate and realise thanks kerrod
I liked how at the end of the video you mentioned releasing the tension out of your body. I find that a good waggle with a light grip with a consistent pressure and relaxing my shoulders helps to make it easy to rotate the forearms. I also make a conscious effort to breathe out just before I start the take away. It's amazing how much more swing speed is generated with a relaxed swing that allows the forearms to rotate back and through. Effortless power!
Kerrod! Thank you for this! The idea that the forearms/club need to rotate in the through swing may be an obvious fundamental to some, but it wasn't to me. I was doing exactly what you pointed out - watching pros/videos and trying to hold the face open/square through impact. It was a ton of strain on my body and lots of muscle power only to get "meh" results. I could hit a good shot here and there but nothing consistent. Working on this feeling of letting the club turn over feels so natural and easy now, I can't believe I was swinging any other way. It hasn't been a magic fix, but my distance is up 10-15 or so yards per club and more importantly the amount of EFFORT required is way down. THANK YOU!
Thank you for such a great explanation. Allowing the forearms to roll was so key to a better result for me. I was trying to force holding club at impact and not allow the forearms to roll…I was less consistent and certainly had less distance. At first it seems scary to let it roll but it’s so much better. An impact ball with colors on each side is a great aid that I use. Simply swing the club with the ball and it gives that instant feedback and you can feel your forearms have to roll to keep a swing going.
Great video! I remember they said Ben Hogan hit the bal with his forearms and this is probably what they meant. Thanks , I look forward to practicing this.
This was a game changer! Thank you so much. I was working so hard on getting proper shaft lean and extension after the ball strike I was essentially putting the breaks on and lost all power. I was very accurate but lost almost 20% of my distance for every club in the bag! Now I have to make sure I don’t flip the club. Such a fine line.
Just watch and listen to the video and you will see what a great golf instructor Kerrod Gray is. This is as good of instruction as you will see anywhere.
For someone who has never done this it is very helpful if you switch to a ten finger baseball grip temporarily while you are introducing this forearm rotation it is much easier to feel it imo
Definitely help me break 80 3 times in a row thanks for this great explanation of forearm rotation! I was on a dark slider road and I thought there was no coming back 😅
This is good. And the definition of a functional grip is very contingent on a players wrist angles. In my experience the vast majority of people will find a stronger grip will allow for a little more extended lead wrist will help manage CLUBFACE better. So much talk about closing the CLUBFACE on the downswing seems a bit backwards.
Kerrod, where are you on the debate about the wrist action is more flexion/extension versus radial/ulnar? It seems there is a growing move away from the latter. Thanks!
Thank you. For years I bought into "keep the club face square to the swing plane". My swing has felt so forced and awkward as a result. I am going over to your side from now on and will see how it works out. Looking forward to going to your web site and finding instruction and drills.
I go back n forth between these 2 methods…. Whenever I swing with the clubface somewhat square to the arc, I’ll just cock the wrists BACK, and basically hit the ball with my body turn. This puts the right wrist cocked straight back, and bows the left wrist. This swing feels very restricted, and it feels like it takes a lot of effort to hit the ball a decent distance. My strike also suffers a little bit. However, my direction is very predictable. On the contrary, allowing the forearms to naturally roll feels very effortless, and free. Strike is much more crisp, and consistent, and distance feels effortless. However, the direction of the ball almost feels like a surprise. I have no feel of where the face is during my swing. The pros are almost obligated to roll the forearms, because they need the extra distance, and perfect strike. But, that’s also why you see them spray the ball from time to time. I can swing the club somewhat square to the arc without it looking as bad as he demonstrated, but it definitely feels more restrained.
I am a senior golfer almost 80 years old and I started relaxing my grip flaring my toes and dropping my back foot back 3 inches and I have been hitting the ball about 25 yards farther than I did when I was
great description: since I started playing golf, I have always wondered about the position of the clubface at the top, and I always felt when I did it correctly, it felt open. I wonder how many others have had this feeling? while I know you are right, I still lapse into the closed position at times, and do not realize it! I have been golfing for 60 years!
I played like this for years. I would purposely try to keep the face pointing at the ball, throughout my backswing. This always felt very “restrictive”, and it actually made me very closed at the top. I’ve recently started allowing my forearms to roll naturally. The butt of the club at the ball/target line is a great way to feel it. This puts the logo of my glove more pointing slightly towards the sky(at the top). This felt extremely open to me at first. However, the results have been amazing. I don’t try to force the club face closed, on my downswing. I just let my forearms rotate naturally through impact. Uhhh…. I shot 2 under yesterday, with one of the best ball striking days I’ve ever had to be honest. My swing feels so free, and effortless now. This natural move does so many good things. It puts the club on its natural plane. It makes you forget about trying to manipulate the face, with your hands. And, it allows you to get through the ball, with ease. You won’t even feel your divot, and the compression is next level. You’ll also have a full, extended finish. It has changed my ball striking, and consistency to the next level. You gotta do this move. Trust me.
i feel like this is so important but not a lot of players do it. So many try to control as many parts of the swing as they can when really they should be working with your body.
My issue is violent rotation and how to slow it down so the severe rotation occurs later in the golf swing. It's mostly with the driver where I am now getting duck hooks. There must be a moderate way to control the forearm roll. My iron play is pretty solid but my miss is a left pull.
Sounds like your sequencing is off. I recently released a video that sounds like it would help you out. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/KgJEP-nveeM/w-d-xo.html
Great video this is first time I have seen and heard any body explain this RotarySwing as well as you. Are you still at Joondalup as I am in Currambine, thank you once again
Hi Kerrod Hello from the UK, Please could you tell me what do you need to do to keep the clubhead matching your spine angle and rotate your forearms? when I do it I fan the club into a wide open position even though I am turning at the same time. Do you roll your forearms half way back? Ps Great Videos
I’ve heard that the rolling of the forearms is at the last 20% of the backswing, allowing your right palm pointing straight up the sky at the end of the backswing .
Hi Kerrod. I’m new to the channel and absolutely loving the content. Question on the rotation of the lead forearm. I know that the forearm can rotate independent of the upper arm/shoulder. However, in the takeaway portion of the backswing, is it the forearm that pronates/rotates to P1 or just a slight pronation of the whole arm? Not sure if that makes sense or not.
Everyone wants to be Dechambeau..you need to be naturally strong and extremely flexible to accomplish his swing for power..he has upper body resistance same as Rahm with power leg drive
One of these two ways: Don't aim too far right of the target and swing across your body. Make sure the golf ball position isn't too far forward of the center.
"Square to the target; square to the ball" is a misunderstanding of the alternative to rotating the forearms. In fact, if you try to keep the club face pointing at the ball, it will require forearm rotation. The correct concept is *"Square to Path",* which is the only outcome of _not_ rotating the forearms, and is actually the simplest way to swing.
For me its icredibly hard to find out what really happens in a good golf swing. I repeated the exercise starting at 1:37 and for me it seems that the hand rotation (180°) comes from rotation of the arms in the shoulder sockets to an amount of about 90° and pure forearm rotation to an amount of likewise 90°. Does anybody agree and does this also happen in a golf swing?
The golf swing becomes incredibly more natural and intuitive and less complex when allowing the forearms to rotate. Very few are saying this, and it's created a lot of frustration and poor shots. Poor shots equals no fun.
My club face never rotates, I'm sure it does to a degree but my face is definitely closed so to speak at the top...I'm also 19 and a gymnast, so I have a lot of flexibility and explosiveness...I'm sure when I get older it will need to change
Great video and information, though you don't have to chicken wing when you keep the face on plane the whole way. With that said, I think this is exactly what I need, roll those forearms. Thank you much!
@@dennisconnelll1914 You may just have an overly strong ('hooker's) grip, resulting in the face arriving at impact closed to target AND to path. You could also be overdoing the forearm rotation, but there are a few other faults that could account for the problem. Get your local pro to check you out ...
This has changed my game this summer. Shot 2 under(70) yesterday. Ball striking is next level. You described this perfectly, by the way. Great “game changing” video.
Agree 100%. You’ve taken a difficult concept for some people to grasp, and have explained it very well. Many novice golfers are so afraid to let their forearms rotate. You’re exactly correct that the club IS designed to naturally produce this head rotation about the axis of the shaft. So many people fight this!
Thanks so much! I'm glad the explanation resonated with you. It's true, many golfers hesitate to let their forearms rotate 👍
God bless you for speaking truth to power! First golf TH-cam coach to NOT flat lie about the body, forearm, wrist match up needed to get the face rotating around the hosel, which actually stabilizes the clubface. Golf coaches everywhere are cringing mad at you for revealing this secret.
I started golfing late on and have been drowning in a million TH-cam videos and getting worse for 2 years now. Like most here I've been trying to keep the club square on the backswing and to compound it, also trying to time wrist movements in the hitting area. Went to the driving range today and just let the forearm rotation happen on the backswing and was amazed by the results. It's counter-intuitive, the more I allowed the forearm rotation the more distance and accuracy I had with my irons. I was just using the body rotation to uncoil and rotate the club back into position on the downswing. Exactly like you said, my lead arm has been collapsing with a horrible over swing. Why isn't this more widely taught :)
I have always felt this is the most natural and powerful way to swing, for me anyway!
Forearm rotation in the backswing works great for me and has helped my game. I get soo confused tho because I feel like 50% of teachers/videos say to do this and the other 50% say don’t and that you are inadvertently opening the face.
This is easy to understand just gotta make sure my bodys rotation is correct
Hope this will help you improve! Good luck, and let me know how it goes! 🙌
@kerrodgraygolf definately helping kerrod I feel I am generating more speed with better forearm rotation as long as everything's going back in sequence and I don't over hot it , slower more rhythmic back swing to make sure I rotate coil up then realise thru ball . Just a question what's best feel for knowing how to initiate the forearm.rotation does it come more from rear arm or mixture of both or rotation of left side
Finally a simple basic explanation ive been.given to much bad advice no wonder my long irons and drives have been off keep getting tild to hold of and various other things , what your saying you have to allow arms to to rotate and realise thanks kerrod
Happy to help! Thanks for sharing 🙌
I liked how at the end of the video you mentioned releasing the tension out of your body. I find that a good waggle with a light grip with a consistent pressure and relaxing my shoulders helps to make it easy to rotate the forearms. I also make a conscious effort to breathe out just before I start the take away. It's amazing how much more swing speed is generated with a relaxed swing that allows the forearms to rotate back and through. Effortless power!
Thanks for Visit 👍
Kerrod! Thank you for this! The idea that the forearms/club need to rotate in the through swing may be an obvious fundamental to some, but it wasn't to me. I was doing exactly what you pointed out - watching pros/videos and trying to hold the face open/square through impact. It was a ton of strain on my body and lots of muscle power only to get "meh" results. I could hit a good shot here and there but nothing consistent. Working on this feeling of letting the club turn over feels so natural and easy now, I can't believe I was swinging any other way. It hasn't been a magic fix, but my distance is up 10-15 or so yards per club and more importantly the amount of EFFORT required is way down. THANK YOU!
Hope this is still working for you. I’ve discovered this recently as well
It is about time someone said this. Thank you for the explanation finally
Great! You're welcome, Mike!
This is golden advice. Although this method requires a little bit more timing and can lead to inconsistency it produces a much more effortless swing.
Thanks
Thank you for such a great explanation. Allowing the forearms to roll was so key to a better result for me. I was trying to force holding club at impact and not allow the forearms to roll…I was less consistent and certainly had less distance. At first it seems scary to let it roll but it’s so much better. An impact ball with colors on each side is a great aid that I use. Simply swing the club with the ball and it gives that instant feedback and you can feel your forearms have to roll to keep a swing going.
Happy to help! Thanks for sharing 🙌
That was massively helpful. “Stabilising” the club head does imply not rotating it so thanks for clearing that up!
Thanks a Lot 👍
Great video! I remember they said Ben Hogan hit the bal with his forearms and this is probably what they meant. Thanks , I look forward to practicing this.
Thanks a lot 👍
This is the best explanation of this i have seen. I try really hard to keep the face square. Cant wait to try this 👍
Great to hear!
Thanks for watching... Good Luck 👍
This was a game changer! Thank you so much. I was working so hard on getting proper shaft lean and extension after the ball strike I was essentially putting the breaks on and lost all power. I was very accurate but lost almost 20% of my distance for every club in the bag! Now I have to make sure I don’t flip the club. Such a fine line.
Happy to help! Thanks for the comment 🙌
Just watch and listen to the video and you will see what a great golf instructor Kerrod Gray is. This is as good of instruction as you will see anywhere.
Love to hear it! Thank you! 🙌
Best video I've seen that fully explains everything and why it needs to happen.
Wish I found this year's ago.
For someone who has never done this it is very helpful if you switch to a ten finger baseball grip temporarily while you are introducing this forearm rotation it is much easier to feel it imo
Never seen somebody on purposely make so many bad swings, yet managed to hit them all straight. This video was exactly what I needed.
Glad it helped. Thank you!
Definitely help me break 80 3 times in a row thanks for this great explanation of forearm rotation! I was on a dark slider road and I thought there was no coming back 😅
Happy to help, Elan!
Great work! Well explained thank you!
I always felt it was way too open doing that but makes much more sense now
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for watching 👍
Great video… the way you explain in layman’s terms is awesome… thanks
Many Thanks 👍
This is good. And the definition of a functional grip is very contingent on a players wrist angles. In my experience the vast majority of people will find a stronger grip will allow for a little more extended lead wrist will help manage CLUBFACE better. So much talk about closing the CLUBFACE on the downswing seems a bit backwards.
Kerrod, where are you on the debate about the wrist action is more flexion/extension versus radial/ulnar? It seems there is a growing move away from the latter. Thanks!
Love to see an answer for this one
this is one of the main things that confuses me all the time. this would be the best lesson, and best explanation I've seen on this, thank you.
Great to hear!
Many Thanks 👍
Thank you. For years I bought into "keep the club face square to the swing plane". My swing has felt so forced and awkward as a result. I am going over to your side from now on and will see how it works out. Looking forward to going to your web site and finding instruction and drills.
You're welcome!
I go back n forth between these 2 methods…. Whenever I swing with the clubface somewhat square to the arc, I’ll just cock the wrists BACK, and basically hit the ball with my body turn. This puts the right wrist cocked straight back, and bows the left wrist. This swing feels very restricted, and it feels like it takes a lot of effort to hit the ball a decent distance. My strike also suffers a little bit. However, my direction is very predictable. On the contrary, allowing the forearms to naturally roll feels very effortless, and free. Strike is much more crisp, and consistent, and distance feels effortless. However, the direction of the ball almost feels like a surprise. I have no feel of where the face is during my swing. The pros are almost obligated to roll the forearms, because they need the extra distance, and perfect strike. But, that’s also why you see them spray the ball from time to time. I can swing the club somewhat square to the arc without it looking as bad as he demonstrated, but it definitely feels more restrained.
This changed my game. Thank you!
You're welcome!
I am a senior golfer almost 80 years old and I started relaxing my grip flaring my toes and dropping my back foot back 3 inches and I have been hitting the ball about 25 yards farther than I did when I was
60 years old. I release the club and use my wrists better.
Very useful to me. Many thanks and have a good 2023
You're welcome, Rich! Have a good year too!
great, easy to understand explanation
Glad it was helpful!
Many Thanks 👍
Thanks Kerrod Gray. Always good lesson and tips with drills . Love it because and playing better. Oscar
Welcome!
Great concepts…I really like your info
Glad to hear it!
Many Thanks 👍
great description: since I started playing golf, I have always wondered about the position of the clubface at the top, and I always felt when I did it correctly, it felt open. I wonder how many others have had this feeling? while I know you are right, I still lapse into the closed position at times, and do not realize it! I have been golfing for 60 years!
I played like this for years. I would purposely try to keep the face pointing at the ball, throughout my backswing. This always felt very “restrictive”, and it actually made me very closed at the top. I’ve recently started allowing my forearms to roll naturally. The butt of the club at the ball/target line is a great way to feel it. This puts the logo of my glove more pointing slightly towards the sky(at the top). This felt extremely open to me at first. However, the results have been amazing. I don’t try to force the club face closed, on my downswing. I just let my forearms rotate naturally through impact. Uhhh…. I shot 2 under yesterday, with one of the best ball striking days I’ve ever had to be honest. My swing feels so free, and effortless now. This natural move does so many good things. It puts the club on its natural plane. It makes you forget about trying to manipulate the face, with your hands. And, it allows you to get through the ball, with ease. You won’t even feel your divot, and the compression is next level. You’ll also have a full, extended finish. It has changed my ball striking, and consistency to the next level. You gotta do this move. Trust me.
Absolutely Phenomenal..... cheers, mate!!
Thank you, mate!
i feel like this is so important but not a lot of players do it. So many try to control as many parts of the swing as they can when really they should be working with your body.
Excellent advice and explain ed so well. Thanks!
You're welcome!
Those clubs look beautiful my guy
Thank you coach .🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
You are very welcome!
My issue is violent rotation and how to slow it down so the severe rotation occurs later in the golf swing. It's mostly with the driver where I am now getting duck hooks.
There must be a moderate way to control the forearm roll. My iron play is pretty solid but my miss is a left pull.
Sounds like your sequencing is off. I recently released a video that sounds like it would help you out. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/KgJEP-nveeM/w-d-xo.html
Great video. So is it the rotation of the fore arms that makes it a proper release as opposed to flipping?
Have any videos discussing overdoing this wrist rotation (or doing it too early) leading to hook shots?
Great video this is first time I have seen and heard any body explain this RotarySwing as well as you.
Are you still at Joondalup as I am in Currambine, thank you once again
Thanks so much bad habits to correct to my self. Still love the sport. Thanks for your good explanation. Working on it. Oscar canada .
Great to hear!
Thanks for the visit and Good Luck for your next game 👍
Fantastic video !!
Well done. Thanks
Thank you very much!
👉Thanks for having the video broke down into chapters 👈
Glad it's helpful!
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kerrod, i like the idea of the sort of freewheeling clubhead but how do we not turn it into a flip type action? thnx.
Thanks
Happy to help!
This is such an amazing video
Thanks a Lot 👍
Great tutorial
Thank you! Cheers!
top instructor ❤
Thank you, Nerd!
Hi Kerrod Hello from the UK, Please could you tell me what do you need to do to keep the clubhead matching your spine angle and rotate your forearms? when I do it I fan the club into a wide open position even though I am turning at the same time. Do you roll your forearms half way back?
Ps Great Videos
I’ve heard that the rolling of the forearms is at the last 20% of the backswing, allowing your right palm pointing straight up the sky at the end of the backswing .
Thanks for the video - would this also stop slicing?
Hi Kerrod. I’m new to the channel and absolutely loving the content. Question on the rotation of the lead forearm. I know that the forearm can rotate independent of the upper arm/shoulder. However, in the takeaway portion of the backswing, is it the forearm that pronates/rotates to P1 or just a slight pronation of the whole arm? Not sure if that makes sense or not.
Hi, Tim! Either can work at that stage!
Thanks!
You're welcome!
Is this the same principle for driver? Thanks!
Everyone wants to be Dechambeau..you need to be naturally strong and extremely flexible to accomplish his swing for power..he has upper body resistance same as Rahm with power leg drive
How to you tame the pull hooks when doing this? Thanks
One of these two ways: Don't aim too far right of the target and swing across your body. Make sure the golf ball position isn't too far forward of the center.
This is a real power move, do it and you will strike the ball much better.
Can it be over done with to flat of a back swing.
"Square to the target; square to the ball" is a misunderstanding of the alternative to rotating the forearms. In fact, if you try to keep the club face pointing at the ball, it will require forearm rotation. The correct concept is *"Square to Path",* which is the only outcome of _not_ rotating the forearms, and is actually the simplest way to swing.
Shut uuuup
Such a great simple video. This is booked marked !
Glad to hear!
Thanks for the visit 👍
For me its icredibly hard to find out what really happens in a good golf swing. I repeated the exercise starting at 1:37 and for me it seems that the hand rotation (180°) comes from rotation of the arms in the shoulder sockets to an amount of about 90° and pure forearm rotation to an amount of likewise 90°. Does anybody agree and does this also happen in a golf swing?
Kerrod, would this apply to drivers as well?
I'm wondering the same thing Kerrod?
Sir if I do arm rotation then my ball goes to the left..what am I doing wrong?
A roll release always leads me to flip. What about a body release? Is there less wrist action with it?
The body release offsets the wrist release.
A Man who knows his craft: Thanks.
You're welcome, mate! Thanks also!
I don’t understand the wrist hinge or how the trail arm moves. So frustrating, I roll my arms I try not to. When I bend my elbow it looks more proper
Do you force yourself to keep your left arm straight on the upswing?
Nope, it should refold to allow a release.
The golf swing becomes incredibly more natural and intuitive and less complex when allowing the forearms to rotate. Very few are saying this, and it's created a lot of frustration and poor shots. Poor shots equals no fun.
My club face never rotates, I'm sure it does to a degree but my face is definitely closed so to speak at the top...I'm also 19 and a gymnast, so I have a lot of flexibility and explosiveness...I'm sure when I get older it will need to change
Great video and information, though you don't have to chicken wing when you keep the face on plane the whole way. With that said, I think this is exactly what I need, roll those forearms. Thank you much!
But don't you think it is partially upperarm rotation?
Do you consciously rotate the forearms?
In the beginning yes, to help exaggerate the feel.
I swear instructors give the most ridiculous exaggerations ever.
Stop being silly, your demonstration is not what's mean by keep the face closed..smh
When I roll my forearms I tend to snap hook my shots . Timing thing I assume . Any drills that will cure the s nap hook ?
@@dennisconnelll1914 You may just have an overly strong ('hooker's) grip, resulting in the face arriving at impact closed to target AND to path. You could also be overdoing the forearm rotation, but there are a few other faults that could account for the problem. Get your local pro to check you out ...