Chris... I am currently a 9 handicap who began the summer as a 7 handicap. I was struggling tremendously UNTIL this video. The tap down hinge immediately improved my ball strking and short game.
Hi Chris. What an excellent vid. Best explanation on wrist motion I have yet seen👍👍👍 Regarding forearm rotation and focused primarily on the lead arm, should the forearm be 'biased' at address i.e. elbow pointed at target as opposed to lead hip to accommodate the 90degree rotation required to establish appropriate shaft plane?? Any comment? Bill
This hopefully will have fixed my bad self taught ideas on the swing. The wrist/forearm rotation is what I have been trying to fight for so long and have been losing power and missing right as a result. Can already feel the power in the bottom of the swing just practicing turning the wrists over through impact! Thanks
I've tried hinging my wrists like this and I tend to shank it to the right for a righty golfer. It should be more of a flex in the right wrist like holding a serving tray
Had one of the worst range session today, endless heel strikes and shanks, and I consider myself a pretty decent ball striker on a typical day. Didn't understand what was happening until I slowed everything down and realize I was missing some ulner diviation (wrist uncock). Started flushing it after that. This video helped validate some amount of ulner deviation is needed. Thanks Chris!
Excellent job Chris in explaining the proper movement of the hands, wrists, and arms in the swing! These movements are what I have been working on for a while now. I am seeing progress, but in changing one's swing, the process definitely is not "instant pudding!" Well Done Chris! Keep Up The Good Work!
I must admit that I'm a bit of a sucker for all this smartphone technology, but I do sometimes long for the good old days when we used to watch the ball to see if it was a good shot or not.
Tech is most definitely helping, I personally use both, I still observe ball flight and learn from that, but having the insights that something like HackMotion provides is priceless
The ball flight doesnt teach the average golfer much. For example you hit a pull. What caused it? Fast arms Early extension Wrist flip Grip Path Equipment Body stall Lie
Chris, when you covered forearm rotation everything made sense but one area where there continues to be so much confusion is the rate of movement in the lead forearm rotation post impact. Where you talk about the logo on your glove facing behind you. The camera from the rear side clearly shows your trail hand has over taken your lead hand (glove logo faces behind you as you say). This to me does look like the “classic” golf swing where we do have a fairly early release / rotation of the lead forearm post impact. Can you please clarify this timing / rate of closure. It’s clearly not what we would call “flipping” through impact. This turn OCE has happened post impact. So if I’m right this crossover release is completely healthy provided it happens in conjunction with good core and body rotation through impact. It appears to take place post what David Leadbetter called his 4 o’clock position (six o’clock being ball at address / club at address). Please help?
Reminds me of a good old drill if Sir Nick Faldo how he changed his golfswing. Almost the same that you demonstrated us in stage 1 and 2. Do I see it correctly that the shown Hackmotion graphs are only available in the Pro version?
Wolfgang. I have the big standard version and it seems to have everything including graphs. IMHO this is the best training device out there bar none. You just have to persevere. Golf is a labour of love and if you don’t love it then pack it in.
Thanks again for your brillant advice. One observation I would be glad you to comment upon: I think that while rotating the left underarm the right hand should still be lower to the ground a little bit until after impact. Do you agree?
Great Video Chris. Do you think the Hack Motion can help with getting to a good P3 position with the shaft pointing at the ball line or slightly inside ball line? I tend to get the shaft a little too flat at P3 and I’m wondering if the Hack Motion’s rotation measurement could help. What do you think?
Great insight. It seems you missed wrist set in the takeaway as it’s not dead vertical. In the takeaways you need to take your wrist from your extension position & start the process of flattening the left wrist and extending the trail wrist. When you do the hammer the tee drill you’re maintaining 30+ degrees of extension (that’s going to massively open the face) Just feel like you needed to add in that in the backswing wrist set is a blend of vertical & horizontal movements. That there means they blend to more of a 45 degrees angle. That gives you the blend of wrist set & clubface control. Great video though. Had a lesson on this with the hack motion and this is what I discussed in my lesson. Is ams aren’t great with the takeaway so thought it was important to say
Thanks for watching, the wrists and how they move could easily be a 2 hour video, I just wanted to try and keep it simple and explain the 3 movements, through the swing they all change, blend etc as you say Tricky to cover all aspects without getting too deep and losing the viewer, but appreciate your comments
As an Engineer who specialised in dynamics (kinetics when applied to golf) I can tell you the wrists do not store or produce significant power in the golf swing. They allow power (energy) to be transferred from the big energy producing muscles in the body to the club-head. The way the wrists work determines how efficient this transfer mechanism and is, therefore as you correctly assert, critical to the amount of club-head speed produced.
Obviously most of the power has to come from how fast the grip end of the club rotates around the body which must be a function of the big muscles but surely the unhinging of the wrists moving from flexion to extension at the bottom of the swing adds a reasonable amount of speed? With your background maybe you can answer a question which has always bothered me about golf kinetics. We always talk about club head speed at the bottom of the swing but we never talk about the club head acceleration at the point of impact. Why is the acceleration never considered important?
@@justinstephenson9360 The important parameter at impact is the club head velocity as this determines the momentum and kinetic energy that is available to be transferred to the ball and other things being equal how far it will go. Measurements of tour swings show the club head velocity is increasing right up to impact (the club head is still accelerating). An analysis technique called reverse dynamics indicates that after the start of the release some of the club head momentum/energy is used to unhinge the wrists. This means the wrists are acting to slow down the club head. In this phase the wrists act like rusty hinges - the more rust the more they slow down the club head. This is probably why top pros with oily wrists report that they feel their wrists do nothing through impact (difference between feel and real). However, there is a second mechanism that is available to transfer energy/momentum to the club head during the release. This utilizes the hand path tangential component of the large centrifugal force acting along the club shaft during this phase. This mechanism more than makes up for the lost energy/momentum unhinging the wrists. This means the club head velocity increases (accelerates) right up to impact. Hope you find this as interesting as I do.
So the wrists transfer the energy? If the trail wrist is extended in the downswing and that energy coming from your body goes through the wrists then wouldnt that feel like "storing" energy? I get that in a technical sense but lets say you had a terrible grip and didnt use your wrists they can block the transfer of energy correct?
@@jacobr4558 I certainly don’t think about my wrists storing energy or even feel this is what is happening. But this may be because of the way I think about the golf swing. You often hear golfers talking about winding up like a spring or coil in the backswing. This can and does feel like you are storing energy. However, what you are really doing is stretching the muscles that will be used to power the downswing. A stretched muscle does not “store” energy but if contacted can deliver more power than a muscle that is slack and that’s why we stretch them. When you apply a force to the grip of the club it applies an equal and opposite force to your body- this is one of the fundamental laws of physics. So, when you try to rotate the club, say, anticlockwise around your body in the downswing the club try’s to rotate your body clockwise or at least try’s to slow down its anticlockwise rotation. In the early stages of the downswing the wrists (including the forearms) are active in torquing the grip which does speed up the club-head. However, at low speeds the energy input into the club-head is relatively small (kinetic energy in the club-head goes up with its velocity squared - each doubling of the velocity takes 4 times as much energy). Once you reach the release point in the downswing (before the club-head is parallel to the ground) the function of the wrists is more like the hinges on a slamming door. If the hinges are rusted up they will reduce the impact on the door jam and if they are well oiled they won’t absorb much of the momentum in the door and you will get a bigger bang. Hope you find this interesting.
It seems like EVERY golfer on YT is trying to sell us these Hack Motion devices that cost $1000. I wanted to learn how to use my wrist wuthout the sales pitich. Instead i end up crossing another channel off my list. Thanks for your time! Cheers!!
Chris... I am currently a 9 handicap who began the summer as a 7 handicap. I was struggling tremendously UNTIL this video. The tap down hinge immediately improved my ball strking and short game.
I've come to realize that the hard thing about golf is that everybody teaches it differently, just like not everybody swings the same.
Absolutely, plenty of similarities but also coaches have different preferences and things they like to see
Excellent tutorial on how the Hack Motion device works and how it relates to the classic golf swing. Many Thanks!
Thanks Joel 🙌
Hi Chris. What an excellent vid. Best explanation on wrist motion I have yet seen👍👍👍
Regarding forearm rotation and focused primarily on the lead arm, should the forearm be 'biased' at address i.e. elbow pointed at target as opposed to lead hip to accommodate the 90degree rotation required to establish appropriate shaft plane??
Any comment? Bill
This hopefully will have fixed my bad self taught ideas on the swing. The wrist/forearm rotation is what I have been trying to fight for so long and have been losing power and missing right as a result. Can already feel the power in the bottom of the swing just practicing turning the wrists over through impact! Thanks
I've tried hinging my wrists like this and I tend to shank it to the right for a righty golfer. It should be more of a flex in the right wrist like holding a serving tray
Had one of the worst range session today, endless heel strikes and shanks, and I consider myself a pretty decent ball striker on a typical day. Didn't understand what was happening until I slowed everything down and realize I was missing some ulner diviation (wrist uncock). Started flushing it after that.
This video helped validate some amount of ulner deviation is needed. Thanks Chris!
Excellent job Chris in explaining the proper movement of the hands, wrists, and arms in the swing! These movements are what I have been working on for a while now. I am seeing progress, but in changing one's swing, the process definitely is not "instant pudding!" Well Done Chris! Keep Up The Good Work!
Thanks John, and yep swing changes are hard, but as long as you are on the right path they are worth it
I must admit that I'm a bit of a sucker for all this smartphone technology, but I do sometimes long for the good old days when we used to watch the ball to see if it was a good shot or not.
Tech is most definitely helping, I personally use both, I still observe ball flight and learn from that, but having the insights that something like HackMotion provides is priceless
The ball flight doesnt teach the average golfer much.
For example you hit a pull. What caused it?
Fast arms
Early extension
Wrist flip
Grip
Path
Equipment
Body stall
Lie
@@jacobr4558 Sorry, Jacob, the remark was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek; and not taken too literally.
Chris, when you covered forearm rotation everything made sense but one area where there continues to be so much confusion is the rate of movement in the lead forearm rotation post impact. Where you talk about the logo on your glove facing behind you. The camera from the rear side clearly shows your trail hand has over taken your lead hand (glove logo faces behind you as you say). This to me does look like the “classic” golf swing where we do have a fairly early release / rotation of the lead forearm post impact. Can you please clarify this timing / rate of closure. It’s clearly not what we would call “flipping” through impact. This turn OCE has happened post impact. So if I’m right this crossover release is completely healthy provided it happens in conjunction with good core and body rotation through impact. It appears to take place post what David Leadbetter called his 4 o’clock position (six o’clock being ball at address / club at address). Please help?
Reminds me of a good old drill if Sir Nick Faldo how he changed his golfswing. Almost the same that you demonstrated us in stage 1 and 2.
Do I see it correctly that the shown Hackmotion graphs are only available in the Pro version?
Wolfgang. I have the big standard version and it seems to have everything including graphs. IMHO this is the best training device out there bar none. You just have to persevere. Golf is a labour of love and if you don’t love it then pack it in.
Thanks again for your brillant advice. One observation I would be glad you to comment upon: I think that while rotating the left underarm the right hand should still be lower to the ground a little bit until after impact. Do you agree?
The trail hand is lower on the grip, so yes will always be lower to the ground at impact and just after
What about right forearm rotation in backswing?
Excellent tuition!
Thanks 🙌
Great Video Chris. Do you think the Hack Motion can help with getting to a good P3 position with the shaft pointing at the ball line or slightly inside ball line? I tend to get the shaft a little too flat at P3 and I’m wondering if the Hack Motion’s rotation measurement could help. What do you think?
It could help yes, would depend a little on why you get it flat, but could be influenced by the wrists and then the HackMotion would be a great help
Great Advice tips
great video Chris. Have you also tried out the deWiz aid that analyzes a variety of swing parameters? If so, any thoughts?
great explanation for us idiots out here. thanks, kinda removes the mystery of why i suck
Great insight. It seems you missed wrist set in the takeaway as it’s not dead vertical.
In the takeaways you need to take your wrist from your extension position & start the process of flattening the left wrist and extending the trail wrist. When you do the hammer the tee drill you’re maintaining 30+ degrees of extension (that’s going to massively open the face)
Just feel like you needed to add in that in the backswing wrist set is a blend of vertical & horizontal movements. That there means they blend to more of a 45 degrees angle.
That gives you the blend of wrist set & clubface control.
Great video though. Had a lesson on this with the hack motion and this is what I discussed in my lesson. Is ams aren’t great with the takeaway so thought it was important to say
Thanks for watching, the wrists and how they move could easily be a 2 hour video, I just wanted to try and keep it simple and explain the 3 movements, through the swing they all change, blend etc as you say
Tricky to cover all aspects without getting too deep and losing the viewer, but appreciate your comments
@@ChrisRyanGolf makes sense. Thank you for the reply Chris
Chris is some of the rotation also internal left shoulder controlling the forearm rotation taking the club too far inside on the takeaway?
The lead shoulder does internally rotate in the backswing as well yes, but if either are over done then the club can be too far behind you
Good stuff....thanks for posting
Excellent vid Chris
Thanks 🙌
As an Engineer who specialised in dynamics (kinetics when applied to golf) I can tell you the wrists do not store or produce significant power in the golf swing. They allow power (energy) to be transferred from the big energy producing muscles in the body to the club-head.
The way the wrists work determines how efficient this transfer mechanism and is, therefore as you correctly assert, critical to the amount of club-head speed produced.
Obviously most of the power has to come from how fast the grip end of the club rotates around the body which must be a function of the big muscles but surely the unhinging of the wrists moving from flexion to extension at the bottom of the swing adds a reasonable amount of speed?
With your background maybe you can answer a question which has always bothered me about golf kinetics. We always talk about club head speed at the bottom of the swing but we never talk about the club head acceleration at the point of impact. Why is the acceleration never considered important?
@@justinstephenson9360
The important parameter at impact is the club head velocity as this determines the momentum and kinetic energy that is available to be transferred to the ball and other things being equal how far it will go.
Measurements of tour swings show the club head velocity is increasing right up to impact (the club head is still accelerating).
An analysis technique called reverse dynamics indicates that after the start of the release some of the club head momentum/energy is used to unhinge the wrists. This means the wrists are acting to slow down the club head. In this phase the wrists act like rusty hinges - the more rust the more they slow down the club head. This is probably why top pros with oily wrists report that they feel their wrists do nothing through impact (difference between feel and real).
However, there is a second mechanism that is available to transfer energy/momentum to the club head during the release. This utilizes the hand path tangential component of the large centrifugal force acting along the club shaft during this phase. This mechanism more than makes up for the lost energy/momentum unhinging the wrists. This means the club head velocity increases (accelerates) right up to impact. Hope you find this as interesting as I do.
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So the wrists transfer the energy? If the trail wrist is extended in the downswing and that energy coming from your body goes through the wrists then wouldnt that feel like "storing" energy? I get that in a technical sense but lets say you had a terrible grip and didnt use your wrists they can block the transfer of energy correct?
@@jacobr4558 I certainly don’t think about my wrists storing energy or even feel this is what is happening. But this may be because of the way I think about the golf swing.
You often hear golfers talking about winding up like a spring or coil in the backswing. This can and does feel like you are storing energy. However, what you are really doing is stretching the muscles that will be used to power the downswing. A stretched muscle does not “store” energy but if contacted can deliver more power than a muscle that is slack and that’s why we stretch them.
When you apply a force to the grip of the club it applies an equal and opposite force to your body- this is one of the fundamental laws of physics. So, when you try to rotate the club, say, anticlockwise around your body in the downswing the club try’s to rotate your body clockwise or at least try’s to slow down its anticlockwise rotation.
In the early stages of the downswing the wrists (including the forearms) are active in torquing the grip which does speed up the club-head. However, at low speeds the energy input into the club-head is relatively small (kinetic energy in the club-head goes up with its velocity squared - each doubling of the velocity takes 4 times as much energy).
Once you reach the release point in the downswing (before the club-head is parallel to the ground) the function of the wrists is more like the hinges on a slamming door. If the hinges are rusted up they will reduce the impact on the door jam and if they are well oiled they won’t absorb much of the momentum in the door and you will get a bigger bang. Hope you find this interesting.
Well done Chris 👏 😊
Thanks Roy 🙌
The only person IMO who ever taught this right was Moe Norman - All the PGA seems to do is overcomplicate everything.
I still flip at the ball, even when all of this is correct. It's infuriating
You need to be enstien to work this out
It seems like EVERY golfer on YT is trying to sell us these Hack Motion devices that cost $1000.
I wanted to learn how to use my wrist wuthout the sales pitich. Instead i end up crossing another channel off my list.
Thanks for your time!
Cheers!!
No problem at all 😁
It's like $300. Not 1000$. Basically what he's doing is the $300 package.
Yeah i live in Canada so its not $300.
@twisted13 core package is $300...the most expensive one is 1000. U don't need the 1000$ one.