I smurf with 3Ks against 5Ks
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Thank you BSJ, i was the pango, very fun to play against you, felt like i stood no chance on middle and its a lot to learn from the laning stage!
Of course there is more other than the laning stage but you just absolutely demolished me and it felt like i couldnt walk up to get very many creeps and to prevent you from last hitting at all.
@@thesmallnut8224 doesn't help that the matchup is not in your favor still you did well in your situation.
Tbh felt like you were the only one performing in your team, despite having a rough lane. No idea how your side lanes manage to draw being that much higher mmr and with strong lane dominating heroes as well.
As you can see, BSJ played extra cautiously. I would say he even tried hard not to lose against you. Normally he doesn’t care so much about dying a few times or pushing in the wrong lane. But he had pride in him for this game. He definitely didn’t want to lose. His team also didn’t play terrible. So, still an unfair match.
If only I was BSJ, maybe I could have won more of my CDUB matches against you ;) hi from Bevis
That iron branch sitting in his inventory for the whole game was really triggering me
Now this is a interesting take, I love the idea of you smurfing with lower MMR players against higher rated enemies, more of this content.
Now for 2k vs 6k smurf 😂
I mean he chose this because his team does need a semblance of ability. I don't think he could do it on a lower mmr team. I think 3k is the lowest his team could be. I would be curious to see him keep the same avg of his team and continue to increase the enemy team's mmr after every win. To help show the significance of one person playing right, but also to show that eventually you can't 1v9 the world.
@@Juncboks of course within reason, just thought it was interesting content
@@Tsunamiieh I one hundred percent agree; my comment was more focused on what the other guy replied. I absolutely love this content, beyond the simple entertainment factor; it shows the real impact a single person on the team can make. Shows the importance of not throwing it on others and working to make the difference every game.
its smurfing vs reverse smurfing. mk barely had any impact.
DP can easily throw games with few bad pushes, bsj did a splendid job reading which items to prioritize and when to fight.
He's still winning bois. INCREASE THE SUFFERING.
Yes, increase enemy MMR please this way too easy
@@JawOT make him play with crusaders XD
PS im crusader
@@ghost28896 crusaders vs divine is alot unfair because they would just straight up lose all the lane towers in 5 mins
One of the best educational series on youtube. Great job BSJ, do more !
as the immortal midlaner who plays with their under 3K friends a lot this was pretty helpful
Not hero's wear capes 😂
Yeah they can get abit heavy ayy hahahah
This is the first time I've listened to you play like this. It's so refreshing to hear what high level players think when playing. Making your own objective when someone is dead is a concept I never have thought of before, or may have thought of but not consciously aware of it. Thank you!
Very cool! You should keep doing it this way. Where the opponent is about equal to your mmr or a little higher. GGWP.
This game was about 4820 vs 5190.
Thank you B.
I haven’t seen BSJ more try hard than this. He definitely didn’t want to lose this game. He did everything according to the book.
Is that not how dota should be played?
@@alwaysradical1613 Every Dota game involves a little bit of throwing by all players, at all ranks. So, no. It's too much trying.
26:48 the way you found pango in the trees. Just wow
I'm hoping that one day we'll get BSJ with Heralds versus 5 Immortals
BSJ as the 5. I WANT TO SEE IT!
Or bsj vs Jenkins each with a team of heralds
Impossible to win for BSJ in this situation
20 seconds into the video, as a mid player in the 4k bracket, this is the best video i will have seen. And I have watched almost all of BSJ's videos.
I was Rubik this game, playing with BSJ was pretty fun and educational
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Great hook :)
So legends are better than divine i think after seeing this video
@@daljedalje7079 thanks :)
@@SyedAli-uj4ss I think BSJ played really well this game to offset the MMR difference
Lucky 😂 although.... Im not even close to 3kmmr so i just don't belong😅
BSJ dude we need more content like this plz, this is the stuff we all learn from thx
26:50 bruh that jumpscare
So what im getting is that even 5k pudges still ruin every single game they are in
As a 6.5k player, you are 100% correct haha
@@outlawdota Do you think that there is hope at 7k+ for pudges? xD
@@MultiSanzo jenkins exists. answer is very clearly no
@@MultiSanzo On EU and SA? Absolutely! On NA? Not even god can save them :P
feels like pango was the only 5k in the dire tho hahaha
If those supports were 5k, they definitely weren't support players
This is a really interesting portrayal of the effect a higher mmr "captain" can have on a lower mmr team - signifying mmr averages are simply not enough to capture team effectiveness
great video, please do more of these especially difficult heros please because their mechanics are the hardest to master and they look so easy when you play it
the classic full luxury build 900 gpm leshrac cosplaying BSJ
Awesome video! Thanks BSJ for amazing content.
I like content like this. Maybe for a wider spectrum or content branch (if BSJ can fulfill it), factors/characters can be added in several regions. Because, I didn't get any kind of experience BSJ got here, like 'communication', especially on the SEA server.
dear BSJ , I would like you try to smurf in a game where you have offlaner Storm Spirit with Manta first item and then MKB , when your support is rushing radiance and pos 1 is feeding , that would be a fun game to watch
Great content. Looking forward to more of it!
BSJ you just have to up the stakes again)) this victory is too clean AGAIN lol
This is actually very insightful as an immortal player constantly playing with my 3k-4k friends
Surprised the score was only 3 to 4 at 9 minutes. I figured 5ks would dominate 2.5ks a bit harder than that.
They would, this is fishy.
They're not 2.5, they are 3.7
People increase mmr for different reasons. Some because of better laning, some because of better mid game decisions, better at teamfight or other reasons. It's not uncommon to lose or draw lanes against someone lower mmr, but then gain back the advantage some other way later on. Plus the mmr difference isn't as you described. It's 3.7k versus 5.1k. Source: play party queue games.
I was the Jakiro, and am currently legitimately 3.3k. Unfortunately, the organizer ran into a fuck-up, and we knew that BSJ was on the legend team from the start. Not exactly which hero, but at least I was fully aware he was on our side. Within the first minute of lane I was sure it wasn't the Muerta, so basically I just tried to play to not die. We figured out by minute 8 or so who BSJ is, and it had a huge impact on how the rest of the team played. So yeah, it was legend vs divine / immortal (Dire had 1 immortal player, I think the MK iirc), but it wasn't as genuine cause we could figure out pregame whose side BSJ was on, and it was obvious by game stats quite fast who he is.
@@Kiwibacon619 The averages were a bit weird, I was the magnus and am currently 4.7k, the AVG was brought down by the supports who were legend I think (also BSJ doesn't count so it's an AVG of 4 players)
Another draw/stomp laning phase. What we want is both side lane getting crushed and how to create conditions to make a comeback.
These 3ks are much friendlier and more communicative than the ones I tend to run into. It's important here because that means they are more able to play around strong teammates, which tends not be well reflected in an environment when everyone is roughly the same skill level.
They are just friendlier and more communicative, because they know that they are being on a video and playing with BSJ.
I think his point is, if this was a regular 3k game team comms and team play isn’t anything like this
Hey BSJ, love the videos! Just a small suggestion - I think it would be better to put the "Every educational smurf game..." clip either at the end of or the beginning of the video. Cheers!
i would love to see you play a hero like pango/ember/puck
Yo BSJ I love these gameplays. I never write anything but please make one with 4 herald team mates against 3-4k. Thanks!
Dude i never clocked that ur acronym was BSJ until this Dreamleague started. U look so different with ur glasses
Bsj: Getting super farmed is generally how you win these games.
Me: Noted coach, firstpicks naga every game and proceeds to get blackholed and chronoed and died.
😃😃😃
I wonder how those sidelanes went so even
The best content creator of Dota 2 period
I like the way you explain all your move everytime you do something, i tryed to watch pro replay but it's borring and hard to understand without comment, good job.
That Disruptor was tickling you a little all game.
Bsj great video
next, do this as the pos 5
enemy team had some accbuyers :D,they should have won lanes way harder
Use ember spirit next, a hero without big ulty
I would say this game is probably the best I've ever seen BSJ play. I would ask one thing, which is why you skip past certain points; is it because there's nothing going on?
yeah cuase nothing's going on, he's either just walking somewhere or waiting for something to happen.
@@plantie_7661 I still think even that could be valuable - just to see what he does when it's not clear what a high MMR player would do
I figure he also cut out the part where we (Radiant) called out the DP to be BSJ :D Happened at around 8 minutes I think. I think that had a huge part on the game, considering we knew that DP was the smurf.
now do the same as a carry where you have to lane with a 3k carry main playing pos5 😎
i wanna see bsj go 30/3 and still lose
just 20/0? omg thats amazing
I think if a carry played like this in low MMR he would get massive hate and immediate report for not participating in team fights
Damn, one mistake and you lost, that is some interesting content
When i met Jenkins he had a BSJ shirt on, what are the chances I can meet BSJ and he'll have a Jenkins shirt on? 😂
How are the top and bottom lanes roughly even in kills despite BSJ not really ganking and dire being way higher MMR?
That disruptor doesn't seem
Like he's divine tho
when he says average MMR, is he including himself or not?
These videos are good, but I'm not sure how well they'd translate to pub games. It seems a lot easier to trust your split pushing core if you know he's an immortal smurf.
I think that’s why his team was so passive in pushing lanes out, they didn’t want to feed or get in his way
Yes, suffering!
Next challenge, 1k Filipino players vs 5k EU
I was muerta at this game
And I was the Jakiro. My guess is, we both figured out the other ain't BSJ within 30s of the lanes meeting, lol
just get rid of that branch gosh!!!! hahahahaha
Genuine question: Why the Falcon Blade? (I'm a genuine noob - started this game a few months ago)
good harass with right click, mana sustain, and a large hp pool, especially good early in lane
@@nickmarshall5327 Thanks man! And it's like a general good item, it's not specific for this match, right?
@@joemartins5041 its especially good this match because you can see how much he wants to trade right clicks early game. It usually is useful for these trading heroes who struggle with mana regen, such as weaver, bloodseeker, storm spirit, etc
Man pls play vs Herald they're Soo funny pls 😊😊
Next up: 7k average vs 2k average
Tbh I think Magnus was a Chad this game🔥
clearly the skill difference didnt really matter at this mmr, may as well drop down to Archon now and play against the same 5k players
BSJ can you Smurf as a support? Does anybody know if anybody makes content like that? Is it even possible?
Bsj against 7ks. With 2k teammayes
Another!!!
Disruptor using voiceline to bm when BSJ tpd bottom and was glimpsed back. It feels so good when BSJ started to rekt him over and over every clash, even sent him to die back. Cherry on top was the cough. Lmao if you're reading this, git gud, disruptor.
Is the 3700 avg for his team including his own mmr?
I think so but it is kinda strange how well the 2kv5k sidelanes went
No its not. We were all Legends 3-4, and one Ancient 1
@@SinisterMJ I was the magnus, I am div 1 :)
@@MooseRust Strange, Dotabuff showed me 3 legends, 1 ancient, 1 immortal after the game...
More video with the same subject and idea thanks alot
Very fucking clean dota but why do you keep stacking hex and silence
because pigs have to be silenced.
Sup BSJ. Big fan here. Hope you are doing great.
These series are cool, but I feel like you should communicate to your team more during the games instead of giving insight of what is going on in your head... you already do a bunch of that with replays and what not... I think people need to understand the importance of good, clear and important communication in dota.
Best regards and take care! :D
3ks more like 3.5k bif diff actally
How is this a realistic 3vs5k mmr? I have ppl die more often in my games where everyone is the same mmr.
The 3.7k team had a chance in the pregame lobby to learn that one team was 5k average (someone showed up real late, the organizer asked for a 5k stand-in player). So we knew that the odds were against us, and I played way more passive and careful than I usually would. I figured out pretty quickly that my lane partner was not BSJ simply by how they fucked up the lane in the first wave, so I went for save and cautious play instead.
@@SinisterMJ You do realize, that playing cautious when necessary is what differentiates the 5k player from the 3k player?
@@SinisterMJ generally Speaking the Lower in mmr you go the more reckless people become.
@@TheBIackEye If you know that your opponents are better than you but you have a smurf on your team, you can play much more cautiously so that you don't lose as badly, and give your smurf a chance to carry. It's very different from a random soloq game where everyone is trying to actively win their lane.
Was it just me or were those 5ks so bad? They should've stomped
too bad most smurf usually smurf 3-4k mmr below them, not so close mmr like this. heck, it's pretty normal to see immortal smurf in herald even.
BSJ is like 9K, this is extremely far below him. It's like a Divine smurfing in Herald.
So you finally played almost equal game, your side have 27k mmr and their 26k? Just 1k more average mmr for enemies and we will see equal game, at least if you would play sup and not mid.
isnt bsj 5k?
Hmm, if 4 allies are 3775 mmr and 9,x k mmr? its pretty even in mmr vs 5,2k mmr. Just saying. :P
thats why its called smurfing...
@@ralphED93 well you missed the point, yes normally smurfing is when you go lower game where all people are somewhat same level or you have a friend group that are lower and u play with them.
But in this case he made the case that he is playing with legends vs divines so can he carry them too.
But in actuality the average mmr disparity is very small. That is why stomping hard Works still very often. His team didnt even lose any lane against the enemies which kind of shows that the skill cap wasnt that big. Obviously we can state that mostlikely enemy divine mid would mostlikely have won his lane against legend player and then turned one other lane for their benefit and made the game go different routes rather than dp going ham on every lane.
Anyway, good series, next time lets try ancients vs immortals or archons vs divines and from pos1. Pos2 gives too big advantage on the whole map as the game changer / map moving plays.
@@Dimens1oner Normally the team with the smurf will have a much higher avg mmr because everyone will be the same level except the smurf. He's lowering his own team's skill to make it harder.
And yes I would like to see pos 1.
@@zanido9073 yes, but not enough, that was my point. One clearly better player is bigger impact than all players are a bit better. That is why its very toxic when you normally play solo in shit tier and then end up getting some kind of cheese hero trainer in opponent team mid, like storm, meepo, etc spammer that plays hero which mechanics work well if you have more knowledge and are better but yes.
That's cool and all but how do you win a game when your support is griefing you minute 1 by contesting all CS, then just randomly leaves you in lane underleveled with no gold and the rest of your team is just running it.
Yeah. If you didn't explain your thought process, as a support, im gonna be frustrated. Bc, i came all the way for you and all you did was tp out and clear other lanes constantlyleaving me where you left me.
this just means reading the map i e if you see your lanes pushed in, you know that your teammate with bots will very likely tp there
idk, but your 3k team mates won their sidelanes against 5k opponents though :/
feels sus
great video btw
30 min and the "5k" team did not do a single depush or play to get an objective (tower) themselves even when you mention your team is playing passive in your jungle. Please get some real EU 5k´s. If these players are followers of your channel I wonder even they ever grasp anything of what you teach. Also the fact that your team knew you were on their side (as mentioned in another comment by one of the players here) makes them play far more active on the map than the average 3k would since they feel confident following your moves. Try smurfing as pos 3, 4 or 5 with at least 2k mmr gap.
These games are not realistic since it's a private lobby
Bsj smurfing again. Time make reddit post. 🤭
redditors about to take the title of this video and complain without considering the context that this was done with consent in a private lobby of volunteers 😍
@@im_b_ran that's the joke
@@clevit.215 i’m well aware that is the joke
Play in sea server, it will be 2 x harder 😂😂
hey bsj , me and my teammates are about 6.5kavg if you'd like to do a video with us we are up for any ideas!
Legend>divine
Bsj play meepo
Ive seen a lot not meepo ever
This is sus, the two divines should have crushed both safe lanes vs legend players. Even one divine on a side lane has huge impact verses legend players. This is very fishy and makes me suspicious the legend players rnt true legends.
Rank isn't the determining factor for laning, only for the overall gameplay. I know plenty of high ranked players who don't lane as well as people in lower ranks but their mid game is stronger by far.
I was the Jakiro, am currently Legend 3, but rising with pos 5 at ~60% win chance. I used to be Ancient 2 at my highest.
Due to late night queue fuckery I laned as legend 4 vs divines and won lane, it's possible.
his team was defs legend from how they played
From the vision game alone, you could guarantee, that the supports were not high mmr. The first useful vision was placed at about 30min ingame time. Radiant could have easily taken over the whole topside and apply a lot more pressure if the Supports placed some sort of aggressive vision.
Muerta dying three times bot in a row and what she communicated afterwards also guarantee that she does not have good game understanding.
Magnus was the only guy that played well from my perspective (5k). He answered in the comments, that he was 4.7k. With Jakiro saying he is ~3.4k, the other two teammembers have to be ~3.4k which seems very reasonable to me.
How is it educational, exactly? It's not exactly showing the real game. There's too much diffirence in rating between the teams, and the main character of radiant is too high. How many veiwers will be in a circumstance similar to that? The BSJ playing with the mindset "I have to carry them alone and suffer for the content" In my opinion it's just not what the real game will be. The tips can be helpfull, sure, but certain takes on the game may be harmfull when it's applied in the wrong game.
1st
Play with 4 new player and carry the game i just wanna know if thats posible
First
but 5k dota xD this is bad :D you can smurf in 7k that would be nice
And the enemy team knows BSJ is DP mid after he denied his own ward. 3k MMR more than likely wouldn't think to do that hahaha
I'm in 3 k and they do deny !
@@OpticF3ARNGT The only time I've seen anyone at this level deny wards is if it's blocking a camp. That being said, maybe people are picking up on it by seeing pros do it
it is a misconception, 3ks mids are mostly way better mechanicly than 5ks, but they are way way worse in understanding and efficiency
my 7k mmr mid friend got smoked 3 - 0 vs 2k player on sf 1v1 mid(i actually crushed both of them, im 4.5k🥶🥶🥶)
Even 1k do that....
21 - 0😅
#freetechiesofficial
zzzz afk farm with map advantage for gold advantage....
This is not a very useful series, because most ppl stuck at their rank because of 50-50 forced wnrate designed by valve to keep mmr reasonably relevant. Try real games and ppl will start flaming and the game balance became one sided favour
Doesn't really seem that you have 3k teamates vs 5ks. Cmon man stop playin.