+Zero "Well that doesn't work that way either. You can't ask for forgiveness if it's part of the plan." The catholic priests that molested children either don't actually believe what they preach, or they think differently to that statement. Or maybe they thought they found a loop hole but I mean they knew they were doing some fucked up shit or they wouldn't hide it. They werent fearful of your god when they tried to hide the people that did it, so perhaps the pope and all of them don't take this god stuff seriously. your holy book is open to interpretation which makes it entirely useless to the logical and susceptible to all sorts of corruption via misinterpretations and various contradictions; look at how many kinds of denominations you have, one of which is a gay church of JC...You literally have many denominations directly contradicting others, it is insanity. So either all these people are making this talking to god crap up or god is telling everyone on earth different shit, just to be an asshole and make holywars and shit... www.ucc.org/lgbt Beware of the religious, their gods will forgive them for _anything_.
+Michael Kennedy Amen. I keep trying to explain this to people, but they don't get it. They just keep saying "but I AM doing something. I am asking god to intervene. If he doesn't, that is on him not me." Must be nice to have a belief system where you can make it up as you go, and never have to take any responsibility for anything.
EstariaValens yeah you can kill babies and then ask god to forgive you .christards don't take any responsibility for anything.oh the devil made me do it . I sorry god I hope its the right god or im fucked also lol. Why is it that human beings can detect fairy tales with complete certainty when those fairy tales come from other faiths, but they cannot detect the fairy tales that underpin their own faith? Why do they believe their chosen fairy tale with unrelenting passion and reject the others as nonsense?
Cannaman I fucking love conformation bias , it's like one of the greatest tools of man. You can actually do so much with it and you don't even have to use any form of matter other then your mind.
Sure you can tell people and make them think they will be cured based solely on the decision of their god, which outside of the cult appears totally impossible, but science isn't any better at avoiding the concept, since it uses the same bias to disprove the possibility that god can miraculously cure a disease. Since it rejects evidence it finds unconvincing. What seems true to one, is not the same for another, when a scientists finds proof of something the have confirmation bias due to the fact that their magic predicted the event, sure its physical, but magic occurs aswell. What a person almost always confirms however, is what they were looking for, this is why we find discord in the world, due to people literally self confirming things in alternate ways. Its not that either is wrong, but rather that the incorrect is when it is practiced with those not part of their entity and being, rather then when you don't think something true. The cult should not expect the sinners to comform, because the scientist is seeing no confirmation in their claims, and vice versa. The two are not the same and convincing people is itself a confirmation bias. Since you convince people and it rarely works, but randomly does.
Prayer = doing absolutely nothing and still thinking you're influencing the world somehow. If she actually went out to look, instead of pray, she may had different result... Logic!
Wait, if God has a plan, wouldn't that mean everything that's going to happen is already set in stone, and that people don't really have free will after all?
This is an argument that I often use during my debates. I’ve found that the truth to turning Christianity into a feasible concept is to forget the Bible. Once that’s done, we must only believe in a being that created all and doesn’t conform to the limits of some book. “God” creates a cage for himself that he now must obey lest he debunk his own religion. Luckily, I’m an atheist and none of this means anything. Plus, Christians aren’t prepared to forget the Bible.
While this is the most ancient argument i have ever heard in my time through the cosmos, God can easily create a predermined story based on free will and the causality of the wills of those people. He can know the story of christianity and atheism, simply by knowing how the two chemicals would interact based on their behavior patterns. Still , the will to be of one opinion or another is almost always totally up to the individual and their randomly generated behavior. The will is thus free based solely on the fact that it is unable to do anything it doesn't want to do. Since it is your choice to not beleive in god which encourages a specific behavior pattern, thus while you have free will, those who select an opinion instantly remove their ability to choose due to their inability to realise anything but what they chose, Not all opinions offer only determinism however, since mine is perfectly directed towards the will of a person. I can will to be underwater, or be in air at any time, because i am not constrained to the world where the atmosphere is made of oxygen. Unlike an atheist who must by default beleive he live in an air bubble. Not that it matters, since my concept of or behavior is neither free nor determined but rather holistic and optional in those ranges, your behavior can even be linked by a potato in my view.
@@dan78789 growing up was I spammed with that being said, and how laughable it's become with no longer a fearful saying, relief is a definite embrace in my life now. But seeing various cars in those driveways in front of churches and all, is in itself a saddening sight.
This reminds me of an old Duckman episode where he kept on getting visitations from his future selves that keep complaining about the good and bad things that will happen as a result of every decision he makes until he goes into a catatonic state of indecision in his recliner.
Same, the Atheist community was really big and awesome during the early days of youtube, then as time passed so many shills were exposed, and others went into politics really hardcore. Darkmatter really sticks out, as not only does he make great videos which are really interesting and funny but he remains to my knowledge one of the most balanced atheists out there. My only criticism would be that he dives mostly into Christianity, I think other religions need to be exposed equally as much, but I guess it makes sense that he primairly focuses on christian seeing that its the main religion that he grew up around.
My Uncle Jeffrey died in an avalanche years ago (he was an accomplished mountain climber...a total free spirit). Apparently, I take after him a lot (or, at least, that's what my Dad says). I like to think that Uncle Jeffrey was reincarnated as a squeaky, little angel, and that DarkMatter is documenting his conversations with God, because these are exactly the kinds of things I would expect him to say if heaven and god really existed. Rock on, Uncle Jeffrey.
@@kevinmunger1842 I guess, but he climbed a few mountains that had never been climbed before, too. He named one after my grandmother, Mt. Dorothy. So at least those mountains liked him. I never met him but he was kind of a hippy, I guess. Super smart, got a scholarship to Harvard. Went to all the protests before it was politically correct. He was my dad’s older brother. A rebel at heart. Apparently I even eat foods in strange ways like him, and I don’t realise it until my dad comments about it to me haha. He died in his late twenties. I think he was 27 or 28, and they never found the body of him and his friend who he was climbing with - they just had to have a memorial service. It’s still buried beneath the ice somewhere. Maybe they will find I in 10,000 years, and it will become a relic of eons past.
+Thomas Jackson Its like if you were a parent and you know your kid is being bullied at school, wouldn't you want them to open up about it to you? Prayer is about conversation, and christians believe that even though God knows it all, because he is loving, he wants to hear about whats going on in someones mind.
+Jon Doe (Mr White Foxy) There was an atheist youtuber who got called a Nazi for that line of reasoning before. I can't remember who though. I certainly wouldn't do it even if I didn't take into account chaos theory. The cost of failure could be catastrophic.
Phijkchu Shuckle The change in history would be far reaching and we couldn't predict what might happen. But yeah, I've seen someone call someone a Nazi for saying what I've said.
You never know what chain reaction that could cause. It could have bren great and saved many lives but it was a big lesson for the world. What if WW2 didn't happen? Would it happen after that cause humanity hasn't truly learned how bad war can be?
here's my problem. if God created this plan. and created this plan to play out how he wanted it to. then he made it play out to where people don't believe in him. he made it play out to where people do get cancer. if he's all powerful then doesn't or didn't he have the power the create the plan to come to a better outcome where he gets what he wants (as in the bible says God want everyone to go to heaven) or did God purposely create his plan so people will burn forever?
Well, if god were real, and what you said is true, then to answer your question, he would have to either have a plan where people are going to burn in hell forever, or not have one in the first place and just see what people will do by themselves.
+DarkMatter2525 SRPM is my favorite super hero. For some reason he told me he was the worst superhero. Anyway, he also told me you shouldn't make a SRPM movie. You should make a SRPM movie.
+DarkMatter2525 quick question, if god has a plan yet we have free will couldn't he know what we were going to do & use our actions to make his plan? therefore eliminating the purpose of this video. Hypothetically of course
If God has a plan, then the people whom he created can't have free will. It has to be one or the other; you can't have both. The fact of the matter is that Christianity is just a collection of contradictory claims that create situations that contradict themselves. It is literally impossible to believe. Anyone who calls themselves Christian either chooses to just believe somethings that their religion instills upon them and ignore all the contradictions, or simply doesn't think about it for even one bit. From my experience with people, I would say that the second one is most common. In fact, it's the only one thatI've ever seen. I've never had a Christian say "I am aware that the bible's claims can't even agree with each other, but I still just choose to delude myself." It's all just ignoring everything you point out to them and waiting for you to finish and then just preaching once you're done. Sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's almost like "Lalalalalala can't hear you can't hear you Lalalalalala." My point is just that the Christians' minds have been taught extreme bias towards their religion and to never even question it once from an objective point of view, and that blinds them to everything wrong with the belief system. Many don't even know the first thing about their religion. They just pretend like they do by simply going along with whatever other morons tell them. Shit, I'm fucking pissed now. This makes want to hate everyone considering over 70% of the population falls into the criteria that I just described. Damn.
+Kleo3392 It would be weird, if anyone, religious or not, would say "though I know the things I believe contradict each other, I still choose to delude myself", as your deposition here in itself is leading on. As a matter of fact, you can state that about racists, sexists, and homophobes as well, who are ironically as diverse as it is humanly possible. God having a plan is a non-canonical claim, by the way. The video was very smart to bring quantum mechanics and the chaos theory into the equation, which, to an extent is a double edged sword. Even if you are a former Christian, it's entirely possible, your personal experience aka empirical evidence doesn't go beyond the congregations of the community you grew up in, and thus had never spent time inquiring about other communities, where they are a minority religion, like Lebanon or Japan. The claim, they all seem to be ignorant and self deluding should project, that there isn't an Abrahamic religion, that would stop before it becomes the majority faith, but such claim already fails, when confronted with the fact, that the Israelite faith progresses almost exclusively along ethnic lines, or how in Japan neither of those 3 ever gained a strong enough foothold, despite the fact, that militant Japanese nationalism drove them into some pretty disturbing stuff. Should you encounter a more enlightened Christian, (s)he would say, people do possess free will, but are below the reach of God's power, since God is above a Type III civilization on the Kardashev scale, which is already capable of altering the laws of the universe. (S)he can claim, that all living organisms have to prove their worth to go beyond the point of recognition (similar to Star Trek's Prime Directive) in order for the Creator to reveal himself again, what in other words mean, that depictions in the Bible are the level of understanding people had 6 thousand years ago, not that it's the only valid interpretation, or the knowledge should remain on that level. Sure, it's much easier to take the position , that 70% of the population is like that, which is the reverse of the argument from popularity fallacy, but as that is a low hanging fruit, it represents something atheists shouldn't aim for, in case they wish to avoid being called extremely biased.
How to disprove god using this video for dummies: Step 1-God has a master plan for everything in the universe Step 2-God having a master plan means that everything will go according to his desire Step 3-This means that Free will is non-existant Step 4-Free will exists Step 5-Realise that there's a contradiction Step 6-God is disproved
Step 7: Lose to Chemosh, God of the Moabites, thereby disproving God's omnipotence. Step 8: Have your own people(Isralites) rewrite history after their humiliating defeat. Step 9: KIll all of my 69 brothers(Including Chemosh) and disown my own wife Asherah and pretend she dosn't exist.
God cannot control your free will because he made humans in the vision of himself, when he made man he wanted them to love him willingly which is why he gave us free will despite knowing that he will get turned on because in the end he has a solution to all evil and it has been working for years like those who get possessed by demons which is very real btw get prayed on by a priest to command the demon to leave in the name of God. Other cases I have seen of a paramedic who prayed upon his patience and many were healed before going to the hospital. Check him out! one of the coolest down to earth dudes ever prayingmedic.podbean.com/p/about-me/
You're telling me God can create all this, except our free will? Why do all religious people change their religion in a way it will "disprove atheism." Also, everyone can create an article claiming something happened, I can do it right now. When I was 10 I was almost hit by a purple car, if I hadn't looked I would've died. Is it true or false, you'll never know.
If he knows our wants and desires anyway, then there is no need to pray for them, because he would make is own decision on them regardless. You might as well shake a magic 8 ball, it would be just as effective, and at least you'll get an immediate response.
Person prays and get's what they asked for: God answered my prayers so he must be real. Same person prays and doesn't get what they asked for: God works in mysterious ways. Atheist: The reason why one prayer was answered and not the other is the same reason why Santa delivers some of the presents you ask for and not others. It's not God who answers those prayers, it's people. The ones that don't get answered are because it's freaking impossible or too expensive for anyone to actually give them to you.
I think you misunderstood the point of that comment. I was making fun of stupid religious arguments. I'm an atheist not, as you put it, a religious fuck.
No problem. But for future reference, as tempting as it is to just cuss them out, some of them have their heads so far up their asses they'll never listen to reason, but that really shouldn't be the first option you go to. At least try to reason with them first before you shout random insults at people you don't know. Some of them can be reasoned with, but insulting them isn't going to help. That's just going to piss them off, and if they're angry they won't want to listen to you. Of course some people are so easily pissed off these days when people are offended by stupid fucking gawd damn red cups, those are the ones with their heads up their asses. No point in trying to reason with them. They're dumb asses, you can go ahead and give up on those dip shits. I usually wait till they start insulting me first before I start cussing at them. That's when I know they're so desperate to cling onto their fantasy that they'll try anything to hold onto it. And if they complain about how I talk to them after that then I like to point out the golden rule to them, treat others the way you want to be treated. It's loads of fun using their own religious beliefs against them. Proves how little they actually know about their own holy book. Plus it usually shuts them up.
RialVestro I know but I just like keeping it simple and straight up telling someone to fuck off because sometimes there's no point in arguing no matter how many good points you could bring up it's most likely going to end up with the other person telling you some nonsensical bullshit and don't even listen to what you have to say, besides getting some one pissed off in these kinds of things makes it all the more fun, but hey that's just me : P
If gods plan is fragile like that (meaning it's very specific) then free will isn't really a thing. There's Determinism in the sense that god can measure the outcomes. A concept like free will would imply that there's a way to alter the system from within or that we're connected to some outside that could (something like:souls are receivers and somewhere in heaven there's controllers). In either of those cases there's no determinism.
The one thing we should consider if god does exist is if what if there is more than one possible outcome to a plan conceived by god? What if it accounted for every possible choice every person that can or does live into it? Of course, this brings its own problems, but if there were an all knowing god, I would say that that is a possibility.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
Dude, you are Amazing . Your in depth knowledge of the Bible is uncanny. No doubt that you are an avid reader. You have a interpretation that, Bible thumpers ,no doubt despise. In watching several of your videos, it's just amazing how much you understand it ,and therefore gives you the insight to interpret it, as a true scenario. Even though I have to admit, Most of these videos make me uncomfortable, I am one of those NON radical, ( want to be believer in its entirety, and wish it were literal. Nice thought provoking material. Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you Jon, you actually reinforced over and over again my atheism. I still to this day, constantly suffer from the brainwashing of "hell" and "angry god" that makes me being afraid of everything and made horrible choices in the past. But I always watch your videos, and they'd help me a lot. I admire your work a lot, and you.
When I was a child, I believed in god, and I heard lots of sunday school sermons that said "with the faith of a mustard seed, you could move a mountain." As a child, this obviously led me to believe that there was a mustard seed sized object inside us all, and that was faith. So I believed fully that I could move mountains. One day, I prayed heavily that god would move a mountain under our house, so that we could have a great view. I have no doubt that I had the "faith of a mustard seed" at that age, and when the mountain didn't move, that's when I invented the scientific method, and started doing prayer experiments.
when you said you invented the scientific method my first thought was you started vivisecting humans on a regular basis to look for their faith and how big it was.
+Bobby Walters here in the U.S. "the south" is filled with a bunch of religious nut jobs where as in on the east and west coast their are a lot more atheist
+The Veg Bro They would not react, they probably wouldn't understand half the concepts or be able to follow a discussion during more than 2 minutes, or they would react with some random thing about jesus.
If I wasn't already subbed, that reverse-psychology thing would have totally worked. Not because I didn't see through it, but because anyone who takes the time to animate a big-boobed babe in a tube top riding a T-Rex just to get my subscription certainly deserves it for making that kind of effort.
I actually prayed for magic powers when I was 6 to try praying out because I heard about it in school. Nothing happened, so I had no reason to believe unless shown otherwise. Been an atheist ever since. Nice piece on chaos theory by the way, I've run into it quite a lot lately. Concerning "Free Will", I'd recommend Sam Harris's talk on it, gives something to ruminate on.
you prayed for magic powers? LOL no wonder God never answered your prayers,that''s a dumb thing to ask for,all jokes aside tho prayers doesn't work like that. God isn't some genie in a lamp that Grants wishes.
you've come such a long way. thanks so much for opening my eyes in 2012 with "how God favors evil" when i was becoming unsure about what i had been raised to except. bite i realized, im not even subscribed. sorry about that, I'll fix it asap.
I'm an atheist and everything, but what logical absurdity would it be to assume that God's original plan included answering specific prayers and not answering others?
Kai Widman so then Earth would become Heaven like... If all prayers were to be answered as long as enough or the right person was to do it then those people would become God right? Lol it makes more sense than what you imply.
Let's face it. If this Yahweh character would answer ALL of EVERYONE'S prayers, there would be a lot.of people spontaneously dropping dead, building spontaneously falling apart and items spontaneously disappearing or teleporting. Not to mention that one.person's prayer may prove counteractive to another person's prayer. It would be complete meyham.
Only way that what +Aaron Yandell 's comment could not result in complete mayhem is if everyone had their own universe that god gave them from which he answers their prayers and no one else in that person's universe is a real person.
Yup. Apperently according to muslims you aren't allowed to just say Mohammed but also have to say "praise be upon him" or some shit like that, or otherwise they'll torture you or something. So yeah... Even Christians aren't so self-absorbed when it comes to Jesus.
All these media explaining the Butterfly Effect always make the unintended consequences to be as negative as possible, while a positive one is just as likely. What if God, or the parents, bought the girl a kitten and in the end someone found the cure for cancer? We can never know if our actions can have unintended consequences or not, the best anyone can do is whatever is the best choice at the moment & hope it turns up for the best in the end.
Justin English I know, but his video has the god saying even by getting the kitten human civilization would collapse; which is very common in other media like Its a Wonderful Life. I'm looking for an example that depicts getting the kitten leads to world peace or something, simply to have a balanced perspective.
Thinker The etymology of it means a destructive force. Positive things do happen, but they rarely if ever come out of disorder, winning the lottery and a double rainbow are all subjected to the normal function of natural laws, not their anomalies.
+Thinker This thread reminds me of what Vision says in Age of Ultron: [paraphrasing] "Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be." I'v enot even *tried* to look into the philosophical meanings of the order/chaos dichotomy.
Y'know, it's videos like these that give me a serious opening on how pointless it was to ask for 'deliverance' or to be 'cured' of what I have. The multiple of questions an open mind would be able to ask once they have true awareness that 'prayer' has never 'changed things', can I credit myself on seeing through what I thought, just because of fear typically, didn't think I could. Personally how we've saw each other halfway through the bullshit can I define that as free will.
+straight_edge_energy_man Happens to the best of us, I've seen it before as well. Was it the new version of "the passion of the christ." When will one movie of the same bible story be enough? "I hear that this one is going to be exactly the same as the actual story."Did you know that the guy who played as Jesus in "The passion of the Christ" got struck by lightning, mistakenly gashed by metal shards on a whip, and battled hypothermia while filming that movie. Either they are really stupid for not providing proper protection, or they are worshiping the wrong god.
So you're saying that god isn't omnipresent? Because if he were, then he would already be where evil is. And if he were omnipotent, then he could just vanquish the evil. And if he was omnipotent, and knew everything that happens in the past, present, and future, then we would already have our whole lives planned out, we wouldn't have free will, and he would have planned our sins before we committed them.
So like. Religion. Its a toxic thing to debate. Right? So lets all just say "fuck it" and move on with our lives. I mean. Seriously? Dat first comment was from like, February.
+OMGitsMoose I shared too much atheism and destroyed friendships. My opinion for me is it isn't worth it. You'll have to make the decision for yourself though.
+OMGitsMoose had the same problem, lost some good friends for being atheist. Well it depends how close you are to those friends and how much you value their friendship. I have new friends, atheists, or just dont care agnostics, ones now. gl
Anyone who doesn't want to be your friend anymore because you challenge their blatantly false beliefs didn't deserve to be your friend in the first place.
Sean McVan The plan was that she couldn't have a kitten "at that time". Essentially, near the time when the mother would need to be at that light. If the cat had been given to her, say, years after when the car accident was supposed to happen then she would have been reared that day and everything would have kept going as the plan.
+Pedro Rodriguez True but if the plan required the mother to get the kitten, then would the mother have free will to make the decision in the first place? Probably not.
+Maranda's Toys & Books Yup, either we have the will to change gods plan or we're just running a set of instructions in which case nothing we do matters. So can we deviate from gods plan in which case answering prayers is okay, but still never happens or are we static like characters in a book where there is no free will only the choices of the author. Free will god is constantly intervening to keep things on course for his plan. No free will so no intervention yet your choices have no consequences because god made you do it.
+Ableist Joe such as? Jeffry proposed he'd have to constantly intervene if any alteration to his plan would happen. Him proposing this would have prolonged their conversation, cascading into ripple effects, intervening with his plan, so he intervened to not let him do it, interfering with his free will
This is just brilliant work: great animation, great convo, embraces christian theology with good humour to show that if you follow it's implication all to way, it leads to contradictions.
Maybe God's plan is like a 'Batman-gambit'. It works because it only requires that people behave the way they always would, with or without a plan. Or whatever.
+Deladus it's you who imprison youself wothout free will because you focus on what you think someone wants you to do. It's not them, they might not even be real. It's your kind
Prayers don’t solve anything. Prayers don’t defeat cancer but treatments does. Prayers won’t cure world hunger or help with world hunger. We got to do that ourselves
Intercessory prayer doesn't make sense in the context of Abrahamic religions. If your prayer can change God's mind, God is not omniscient and prophecies are impossible. If both your prayer and God's response are part of God's plan, there is no causation between the two.
If the gods answered prayers, humanity wouldn't exist: all of the loving, peaceful religionists have been praying for each others' deaths for 4,000+ years.
+Ella Eats There can't be. If god has a plan, then, by neccessity, everything would happen according to his plan and if we'd be able to thwart the plan via free will, then there couldn't be that described god to begin with.
Tychoxi If it did, it would negate the notion of free will as your thwarting were planned and, given it was planned to happen, it wouldn't really thwart the plan, would it?
+MadnerKami unless his plan spans billions of years, in which case human existence is a mere dot on a planet sized radar. Free will wouldn't be able to change such a large scale plan if he designed the Universe in such a way that it would follow the basic rules and reach the intended goal regardless of human existence. Since we don't know what that plan might be, we can speculate, and one speculation can simply be we're a simulation or experiment. Set the Universe to follow these fundamental laws of physics and extrapolate data. I'm an atheist, btw. Fan theories are just something I enjoy doing. The bible is no different to me than the Matrix, but both are fun to try and puzzle out a coherent narrative (cause fuck Matrix 3).
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So, I stole a bike and asked for [His] forgiveness." - Al Pacino.
xD
+Ayk S You need people like me! To point your fucking fingers and say..... That's the bad guy.
+Nazy G I love that scene.
This took the saying "Its easier to ask for forgiveness then ask for permission." To a whole new level
+Zero "Well that doesn't work that way either. You can't ask for forgiveness if it's part of the plan."
The catholic priests that molested children either don't actually believe what they preach, or they think differently to that statement. Or maybe they thought they found a loop hole but I mean they knew they were doing some fucked up shit or they wouldn't hide it. They werent fearful of your god when they tried to hide the people that did it, so perhaps the pope and all of them don't take this god stuff seriously.
your holy book is open to interpretation which makes it entirely useless to the logical and susceptible to all sorts of corruption via misinterpretations and various contradictions; look at how many kinds of denominations you have, one of which is a gay church of JC...You literally have many denominations directly contradicting others, it is insanity. So either all these people are making this talking to god crap up or god is telling everyone on earth different shit, just to be an asshole and make holywars and shit...
www.ucc.org/lgbt
Beware of the religious, their gods will forgive them for _anything_.
Prayer = a way of doing absolutely nothing and still thinking you're helping somehow!
+Michael Kennedy Amen. I keep trying to explain this to people, but they don't get it. They just keep saying "but I AM doing something. I am asking god to intervene. If he doesn't, that is on him not me." Must be nice to have a belief system where you can make it up as you go, and never have to take any responsibility for anything.
EstariaValens yeah you can kill babies and then ask god to forgive you .christards don't take any responsibility for anything.oh the devil made me do it . I sorry god I hope its the right god or im fucked also lol. Why is it that human beings can detect fairy tales with complete certainty when those fairy tales come from other faiths, but they cannot detect the fairy tales that underpin their own faith? Why do they believe their chosen fairy tale with unrelenting passion and reject the others as nonsense?
Cannaman I fucking love conformation bias , it's like one of the greatest tools of man. You can actually do so much with it and you don't even have to use any form of matter other then your mind.
Sure you can tell people and make them think they will be cured based solely on the decision of their god, which outside of the cult appears totally impossible,
but science isn't any better at avoiding the concept, since it uses the same bias to disprove the possibility that god can miraculously cure a disease. Since it rejects evidence it finds unconvincing.
What seems true to one, is not the same for another, when a scientists finds proof of something the have confirmation bias due to the fact that their magic predicted the event, sure its physical, but magic occurs aswell.
What a person almost always confirms however, is what they were looking for, this is why we find discord in the world, due to people literally self confirming things in alternate ways.
Its not that either is wrong, but rather that the incorrect is when it is practiced with those not part of their entity and being, rather then when you don't think something true.
The cult should not expect the sinners to comform, because the scientist is seeing no confirmation in their claims, and vice versa. The two are not the same and convincing people is itself a confirmation bias. Since you convince people and it rarely works, but randomly does.
its all confirmation bias, people just have different biases.
The creator of this channel is a genius.
Do you mean the creator of this creator of this TH-cam channel XD
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Hmmm...yeah, you might as well give credit to his creators...his parents...
Make sure to watch the Power corrupts series. Its awesome
@@theconquistador8862 what other channel?
@@WorivpuqloDMogh yes... I agree
Don't cry little Wendy's girl. At least god told you he wasn't going to answer your prayers a week in instead of decades later.... *Sigh*
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God gave me a kitten in the very color that I wanted as a birthday present.
And I didn’t even pray for this kitten.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 God=Santa apparently, so that checks out ig
@@table2.0 My birthday is near Halloween not Christmas.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Santa may as well do birthdays too honestly
Let’s forget the fact that I can’t read sometimes
I know a girl who has prayed for a boyfriend for years... She's still single.
Prayer = doing absolutely nothing and still thinking you're influencing the world somehow. If she actually went out to look, instead of pray, she may had different result... Logic!
How Old is she????? WUT STATE!!!! I maybe the Prayers!!!
If she spent less time praying and more time talking to people then maybe she’d have a boyfriend lol
@@robertmartyr8265 lmao
Keebs41 now in 2019 _she can become the boyfriend she lacks_ !!!
Wait, if God has a plan, wouldn't that mean everything that's going to happen is already set in stone, and that people don't really have free will after all?
This is an argument that I often use during my debates. I’ve found that the truth to turning Christianity into a feasible concept is to forget the Bible. Once that’s done, we must only believe in a being that created all and doesn’t conform to the limits of some book. “God” creates a cage for himself that he now must obey lest he debunk his own religion. Luckily, I’m an atheist and none of this means anything. Plus, Christians aren’t prepared to forget the Bible.
While this is the most ancient argument i have ever heard in my time through the cosmos,
God can easily create a predermined story based on free will and the causality of the wills of those people. He can know the story of christianity and atheism, simply by knowing how the two chemicals would interact based on their behavior patterns.
Still , the will to be of one opinion or another is almost always totally up to the individual and their randomly generated behavior. The will is thus free based solely on the fact that it is unable to do anything it doesn't want to do.
Since it is your choice to not beleive in god which encourages a specific behavior pattern, thus while you have free will, those who select an opinion instantly remove their ability to choose due to their inability to realise anything but what they chose,
Not all opinions offer only determinism however, since mine is perfectly directed towards the will of a person. I can will to be underwater, or be in air at any time, because i am not constrained to the world where the atmosphere is made of oxygen. Unlike an atheist who must by default beleive he live in an air bubble.
Not that it matters, since my concept of or behavior is neither free nor determined but rather holistic and optional in those ranges, your behavior can even be linked by a potato in my view.
lorderik237 It also means that he decided that you would write that comment.
lorderik237
God has plans for you but you have to follow him in order to get these plans to become reality.
Malika Silla I used to follow God and I became an atheist because his plan is for me to be an atheist.
"HELP"
"Sorry I can't I'm being mysterious right now"
@@dan78789 growing up was I spammed with that being said, and how laughable it's become with no longer a fearful saying, relief is a definite embrace in my life now. But seeing various cars in those driveways in front of churches and all, is in itself a saddening sight.
God: I have infinite power.
Also God: I can't, it interferes with my plan.
I can do everything!
Uh no, I can’t.
😂😂🤣🤣
This reminds me of an old Duckman episode where he kept on getting visitations from his future selves that keep complaining about the good and bad things that will happen as a result of every decision he makes until he goes into a catatonic state of indecision in his recliner.
DarkMatter2525 is one of the few Atheist channels i still check regularly. Thanks for all your hard work.
69, noice 👌
Check out Seth Andrews..
Still
Same, the Atheist community was really big and awesome during the early days of youtube, then as time passed so many shills were exposed, and others went into politics really hardcore.
Darkmatter really sticks out, as not only does he make great videos which are really interesting and funny but he remains to my knowledge one of the most balanced atheists out there.
My only criticism would be that he dives mostly into Christianity, I think other religions need to be exposed equally as much, but I guess it makes sense that he primairly focuses on christian seeing that its the main religion that he grew up around.
Yeah these video's are just great content.
My Uncle Jeffrey died in an avalanche years ago (he was an accomplished mountain climber...a total free spirit). Apparently, I take after him a lot (or, at least, that's what my Dad says). I like to think that Uncle Jeffrey was reincarnated as a squeaky, little angel, and that DarkMatter is documenting his conversations with God, because these are exactly the kinds of things I would expect him to say if heaven and god really existed. Rock on, Uncle Jeffrey.
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@@kevinmunger1842 I guess, but he climbed a few mountains that had never been climbed before, too. He named one after my grandmother, Mt. Dorothy. So at least those mountains liked him.
I never met him but he was kind of a hippy, I guess. Super smart, got a scholarship to Harvard. Went to all the protests before it was politically correct. He was my dad’s older brother. A rebel at heart. Apparently I even eat foods in strange ways like him, and I don’t realise it until my dad comments about it to me haha. He died in his late twenties. I think he was 27 or 28, and they never found the body of him and his friend who he was climbing with - they just had to have a memorial service. It’s still buried beneath the ice somewhere. Maybe they will find I in 10,000 years, and it will become a relic of eons past.
the way you praised yourself in this video xD
IKR LMAO
that was god praising him
Ramhams1337
that was *_hilarious_*
Actually, he praised DarkMatterWhatsHisFaceDoucheBag.
+Ramhams1337 Alhamdul-+DarkMatter2525 (All praise is due to +DarkMatter2525)
Praying is a waste of time. What do you think you could tell god that he doesn't already know?
God - Believing BITCH . . . . Aug. 19, 2016.
+Thomas Jackson Its like if you were a parent and you know your kid is being bullied at school, wouldn't you want them to open up about it to you? Prayer is about conversation, and christians believe that even though God knows it all, because he is loving, he wants to hear about whats going on in someones mind.
I wonder if he wants to "hear it all" while I'm toiling in hell? X3 Such love!
Puglous He wants you to trust Him.
Josh Kim riiiiiight because a parent would wait for a disturbed, hurt and insecure child to 'open up' before taking action.
God's plan is for me to be an atheist.
Melancholia this is ur bad plan.
2vid Stone so is he outside of God's plan?
Brixton Barnyard no. He chose this way.
2vid Stone so is he part of God's plan?
Brixton Barnyard i see what u did here. God lets us decide wich way to go, but he helps us to choose the right side, what do you do is ur own problem.
The censored muhammed is my favorite.
muhammad and jesus flexing on each other is better lmao
BovineJonie not muhammed*
not muhammed*
Although he seems to have an Italian accent
@@HassanRadwan133 you are also here? 😂😂
This is why I wouldn't kill Hitler even if I could go back in time and had the ability to.
+Jon Doe (Mr White Foxy) There was an atheist youtuber who got called a Nazi for that line of reasoning before. I can't remember who though. I certainly wouldn't do it even if I didn't take into account chaos theory. The cost of failure could be catastrophic.
Phijkchu Shuckle The change in history would be far reaching and we couldn't predict what might happen. But yeah, I've seen someone call someone a Nazi for saying what I've said.
If I could redo it as many times as I wanted, then I would, just to see what changes.
You never know what chain reaction that could cause. It could have bren great and saved many lives but it was a big lesson for the world. What if WW2 didn't happen? Would it happen after that cause humanity hasn't truly learned how bad war can be?
Been*
no editing on phone :/
here's my problem. if God created this plan. and created this plan to play out how he wanted it to. then he made it play out to where people don't believe in him. he made it play out to where people do get cancer. if he's all powerful then doesn't or didn't he have the power the create the plan to come to a better outcome where he gets what he wants (as in the bible says God want everyone to go to heaven) or did God purposely create his plan so people will burn forever?
the4thdimention this just a comedy video .god does not have any plan in real life because he does not real
Well, if god were real, and what you said is true, then to answer your question, he would have to either have a plan where people are going to burn in hell forever, or not have one in the first place and just see what people will do by themselves.
the4thdimention man i want to copy and paste this comment.. So true.
the4thdimention we are sinners. Christ died on the cross to prevent our etenal pain. We have to thank Him. That's it.
2vid Stone ..... What?
Now I have this thought of dressing up as Jesus and sneaking into praying Christians' houses
Tên với chả tuổi fucking do it
Record it you must
DO IT
Already made video
Here's the link : th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
Bro Vietnamese Jesus would be pretty epic
In case you missed the final second of this upload, there's some extremely important credits there.
+DarkMatter2525 SRPM is my favorite super hero. For some reason he told me he was the worst superhero. Anyway, he also told me you shouldn't make a SRPM movie. You should make a SRPM movie.
Without hairball viscosity, this video would be shit.
+Bobby Walters check the description
+DarkMatter2525 hey can u make another vid like the samson trilogy? that was the best
+DarkMatter2525 quick question, if god has a plan yet we have free will couldn't he know what we were going to do & use our actions to make his plan? therefore eliminating the purpose of this video.
Hypothetically of course
If God has a plan, then the people whom he created can't have free will. It has to be one or the other; you can't have both. The fact of the matter is that Christianity is just a collection of contradictory claims that create situations that contradict themselves. It is literally impossible to believe. Anyone who calls themselves Christian either chooses to just believe somethings that their religion instills upon them and ignore all the contradictions, or simply doesn't think about it for even one bit. From my experience with people, I would say that the second one is most common. In fact, it's the only one thatI've ever seen. I've never had a Christian say "I am aware that the bible's claims can't even agree with each other, but I still just choose to delude myself." It's all just ignoring everything you point out to them and waiting for you to finish and then just preaching once you're done. Sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's almost like "Lalalalalala can't hear you can't hear you Lalalalalala." My point is just that the Christians' minds have been taught extreme bias towards their religion and to never even question it once from an objective point of view, and that blinds them to everything wrong with the belief system. Many don't even know the first thing about their religion. They just pretend like they do by simply going along with whatever other morons tell them. Shit, I'm fucking pissed now. This makes want to hate everyone considering over 70% of the population falls into the criteria that I just described. Damn.
+Kleo3392 excellent comment
Welcome to humanity. We've got beer and idiots, hope you enjoy your stay!
+Kleo3392 You sound peeved. Do you come from a Christian background. Agree with everything you said, by the way.
+Kleo3392 you can't spread the truth to people you don't want to listen. its all that free will lol
+Kleo3392 It would be weird, if anyone, religious or not, would say "though I know the things I believe contradict each other, I still choose to delude myself", as your deposition here in itself is leading on. As a matter of fact, you can state that about racists, sexists, and homophobes as well, who are ironically as diverse as it is humanly possible.
God having a plan is a non-canonical claim, by the way. The video was very smart to bring quantum mechanics and the chaos theory into the equation, which, to an extent is a double edged sword. Even if you are a former Christian, it's entirely possible, your personal experience aka empirical evidence doesn't go beyond the congregations of the community you grew up in, and thus had never spent time inquiring about other communities, where they are a minority religion, like Lebanon or Japan. The claim, they all seem to be ignorant and self deluding should project, that there isn't an Abrahamic religion, that would stop before it becomes the majority faith, but such claim already fails, when confronted with the fact, that the Israelite faith progresses almost exclusively along ethnic lines, or how in Japan neither of those 3 ever gained a strong enough foothold, despite the fact, that militant Japanese nationalism drove them into some pretty disturbing stuff.
Should you encounter a more enlightened Christian, (s)he would say, people do possess free will, but are below the reach of God's power, since God is above a Type III civilization on the Kardashev scale, which is already capable of altering the laws of the universe. (S)he can claim, that all living organisms have to prove their worth to go beyond the point of recognition (similar to Star Trek's Prime Directive) in order for the Creator to reveal himself again, what in other words mean, that depictions in the Bible are the level of understanding people had 6 thousand years ago, not that it's the only valid interpretation, or the knowledge should remain on that level.
Sure, it's much easier to take the position , that 70% of the population is like that, which is the reverse of the argument from popularity fallacy, but as that is a low hanging fruit, it represents something atheists shouldn't aim for, in case they wish to avoid being called extremely biased.
How to disprove god using this video for dummies:
Step 1-God has a master plan for everything in the universe
Step 2-God having a master plan means that everything will go according to his desire
Step 3-This means that Free will is non-existant
Step 4-Free will exists
Step 5-Realise that there's a contradiction
Step 6-God is disproved
Step 7: Lose to Chemosh, God of the Moabites, thereby disproving God's omnipotence.
Step 8: Have your own people(Isralites) rewrite history after their humiliating defeat.
Step 9: KIll all of my 69 brothers(Including Chemosh) and disown my own wife Asherah and pretend she dosn't exist.
God cannot control your free will because he made humans in the vision of himself, when he made man he wanted them to love him willingly which is why he gave us free will despite knowing that he will get turned on because in the end he has a solution to all evil and it has been working for years like those who get possessed by demons which is very real btw get prayed on by a priest to command the demon to leave in the name of God. Other cases I have seen of a paramedic who prayed upon his patience and many were healed before going to the hospital. Check him out! one of the coolest down to earth dudes ever prayingmedic.podbean.com/p/about-me/
You're telling me God can create all this, except our free will?
Why do all religious people change their religion in a way it will "disprove atheism."
Also, everyone can create an article claiming something happened, I can do it right now.
When I was 10 I was almost hit by a purple car, if I hadn't looked I would've died.
Is it true or false, you'll never know.
Free will doesn't exist. Have you ever heard of determinism? Please read up on it and make your mind up later.
Determinism is fueled by the modern Newtonian science of emptyness, in quantum physics there is not thing as "determinism".
just realised how hard it is to get an atheist girlfriend
WeLL . . . Explain IT, STUPID !!!
Have you tried prayer? 🙃
Emiliapocalypse yah didn’t work
Not in France. A lot of people are non believers here
lol not in Scandinavia
"why did i create that man with so much charm an."
even I'd stroke my ego on my own show lmao.
0:58 I knew he was gonna say that she looks like the Wendy's girl
@Cyber It's a fast-food restaurant that sells expensive food and tasteless beef.
Are you ominscient
Yahweh is failing the simulation
DarkMatter I salute you. Your videos are amazing.
u watch antimatter??
autocorrect darkmatter*
+ruvik barcewski luiting Obviously, lol.
+HugThePolice he's a youtuber.
+Darzii salute on the daiiiiiilllyyyyyy
These animations have SUCH good writing! :D
Ikr
Would be cool if the animation and voice acting was on par with the writing
@@zayk6713 I disagree
@@zayk6713 it's his style, i like it
@@zayk6713he can pump out videos much faster if the animation isn't completely elite since it takes much time. But yeah I agree
Inaccurate video. Those co workers in the Chinese factory look to be above the age of ten.
Someone has to keep the kids in check.
Hahaha
Billy you stole my icon.
I would like to thank god for planning to let me discover this channel 😆
Lmao
😂😂😂😂🤣
“God. Kitten. Amen”
Holy shit in would’ve saved so much time if I prayed like that as a Christian 😂
If he knows our wants and desires anyway, then there is no need to pray for them, because he would make is own decision on them regardless. You might as well shake a magic 8 ball, it would be just as effective, and at least you'll get an immediate response.
1:10 WTF is that crying!? XD
*EEEEEEHEHEHEHEEEEEEE*
Lmao ikr😂😂😂😂😂😭
EEEEEEEEEEEEHEEEEHHEEEEEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHEEEEEEE
3:12 was a werid sound too xD
michael jackson style
btw hi from 2019
Person prays and get's what they asked for: God answered my prayers so he must be real.
Same person prays and doesn't get what they asked for: God works in mysterious ways.
Atheist: The reason why one prayer was answered and not the other is the same reason why Santa delivers some of the presents you ask for and not others. It's not God who answers those prayers, it's people. The ones that don't get answered are because it's freaking impossible or too expensive for anyone to actually give them to you.
RialVestro shut the fuck up you religious fuck
I think you misunderstood the point of that comment. I was making fun of stupid religious arguments. I'm an atheist not, as you put it, a religious fuck.
RialVestro sorry mate must of read your comment wrong.
No problem. But for future reference, as tempting as it is to just cuss them out, some of them have their heads so far up their asses they'll never listen to reason, but that really shouldn't be the first option you go to. At least try to reason with them first before you shout random insults at people you don't know. Some of them can be reasoned with, but insulting them isn't going to help. That's just going to piss them off, and if they're angry they won't want to listen to you.
Of course some people are so easily pissed off these days when people are offended by stupid fucking gawd damn red cups, those are the ones with their heads up their asses. No point in trying to reason with them. They're dumb asses, you can go ahead and give up on those dip shits.
I usually wait till they start insulting me first before I start cussing at them. That's when I know they're so desperate to cling onto their fantasy that they'll try anything to hold onto it. And if they complain about how I talk to them after that then I like to point out the golden rule to them, treat others the way you want to be treated. It's loads of fun using their own religious beliefs against them. Proves how little they actually know about their own holy book. Plus it usually shuts them up.
RialVestro I know but I just like keeping it simple and straight up telling someone to fuck off because sometimes there's no point in arguing no matter how many good points you could bring up it's most likely going to end up with the other person telling you some nonsensical bullshit and don't even listen to what you have to say, besides getting some one pissed off in these kinds of things makes it all the more fun, but hey that's just me : P
"God is a kid with an ant farm. He doesn't plan shit." - John Constantine
Did he really say that in the movie? Must have missed it.
It was the scene when the girl sitting next to him says "God has a plan for everyone."
An ant farm and a magnifying glass.
YESSSSSS A CONSTANTINE FAN!!!!!!
I just started getting recommended clips of Constantine. When I hear s that line I spent all day searching haha :) it's a great line thanks
If gods plan is fragile like that (meaning it's very specific) then free will isn't really a thing. There's Determinism in the sense that god can measure the outcomes. A concept like free will would imply that there's a way to alter the system from within or that we're connected to some outside that could (something like:souls are receivers and somewhere in heaven there's controllers). In either of those cases there's no determinism.
The one thing we should consider if god does exist is if what if there is more than one possible outcome to a plan conceived by god? What if it accounted for every possible choice every person that can or does live into it? Of course, this brings its own problems, but if there were an all knowing god, I would say that that is a possibility.
Well, the Lutherans don't believe in the free will. I'm not one of them, I just say what I read on Wikipedia
we live in a simulation.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way
so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
quoting al pacino
Dude, you are Amazing . Your in depth knowledge of the Bible is uncanny. No doubt that you are an avid reader. You have a interpretation that, Bible thumpers ,no doubt despise.
In watching several of your videos, it's just amazing how much you understand it ,and therefore gives you the insight to interpret it, as a true scenario. Even though I have to admit, Most of these videos make me uncomfortable, I am one of those NON radical, ( want to be believer in its entirety, and wish it were literal. Nice thought provoking material.
Keep up the excellent work.
And what do you take from the criticism?
I didn't know Matt Dillahunty was part of this until today....Thank you Matt I am a big fan..and thank you all for producing these.
Thank you Jon, you actually reinforced over and over again my atheism. I still to this day, constantly suffer from the brainwashing of "hell" and "angry god" that makes me being afraid of everything and made horrible choices in the past. But I always watch your videos, and they'd help me a lot. I admire your work a lot, and you.
Man, you're animations are just fantastic. Artistically & story wise.
When I was a child, I believed in god, and I heard lots of sunday school sermons that said "with the faith of a mustard seed, you could move a mountain." As a child, this obviously led me to believe that there was a mustard seed sized object inside us all, and that was faith. So I believed fully that I could move mountains. One day, I prayed heavily that god would move a mountain under our house, so that we could have a great view. I have no doubt that I had the "faith of a mustard seed" at that age, and when the mountain didn't move, that's when I invented the scientific method, and started doing prayer experiments.
when you said you invented the scientific method my first thought was you started vivisecting humans on a regular basis to look for their faith and how big it was.
God explains the Slippery Slope fallacy with 101% accuracy! well done G!
Hey Darkmatter, Can I translate this to Arabic (CC)? I want your work to spread to Arabs. please.
What's your twitta?
+HCN what for?
+Matt Mohl so u want him to blow up
+Bach Truong Inside him :o
Ahh so that's why your name is one way ticket...
Commercial on here "The life of Jesus" lol
I always have to wait so long for new episodes but it's always so worth it.
Just a simple application of logic wrecks so much fantasy. Great video as always.
I want to see a southern church react to this video
+Bobby Walters here in the U.S. "the south" is filled with a bunch of religious nut jobs where as in on the east and west coast their are a lot more atheist
+The Veg Bro You mean the southern baptist church?
+Ramiro *Westboro Baptist church.
Yeah that one, the one with the racist nutjobs.
+The Veg Bro They would not react, they probably wouldn't understand half the concepts or be able to follow a discussion during more than 2 minutes, or they would react with some random thing about jesus.
If I wasn't already subbed, that reverse-psychology thing would have totally worked. Not because I didn't see through it, but because anyone who takes the time to animate a big-boobed babe in a tube top riding a T-Rex just to get my subscription certainly deserves it for making that kind of effort.
I actually prayed for magic powers when I was 6 to try praying out because I heard about it in school.
Nothing happened, so I had no reason to believe unless shown otherwise.
Been an atheist ever since.
Nice piece on chaos theory by the way, I've run into it quite a lot lately.
Concerning "Free Will", I'd recommend Sam Harris's talk on it, gives something to ruminate on.
you prayed for magic powers? LOL no wonder God never answered your prayers,that''s a dumb thing to ask for,all jokes aside tho prayers doesn't work like that. God isn't some genie in a lamp that Grants wishes.
I see what you did there...
you've come such a long way. thanks so much for opening my eyes in 2012 with "how God favors evil" when i was becoming unsure about what i had been raised to except. bite i realized, im not even subscribed. sorry about that, I'll fix it asap.
*but
This is the most beautiful portrayal of the butterfly effect I've ever seen. Thank you
" -Yeah dad, what's up?
- Besides us"
😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹 I'M DED
I got it🤣
"Best to just get credit for all the good stuff that happens and... remain *mysterious* for all the bad stuff that happens."
Little does god know that that girl will grow up to be the thiccest thing on the planet.
Oh shit
It's especially helpful when a bunch of people say, "My thoughts and prayers to __________ (fill in crisis + location)."
Kayoua Xiong ur cute :)
I'm an atheist and everything, but what logical absurdity would it be to assume that God's original plan included answering specific prayers and not answering others?
Kai Widman then he would be arbitrary. Since God is (apparently) the source of all morality, all morals would be arbitrary.
Kai Widman
He answers all prayers.
Kai Widman so then Earth would become Heaven like... If all prayers were to be answered as long as enough or the right person was to do it then those people would become God right? Lol it makes more sense than what you imply.
Let's face it. If this Yahweh character would answer ALL of EVERYONE'S prayers, there would be a lot.of people spontaneously dropping dead, building spontaneously falling apart and items spontaneously disappearing or teleporting. Not to mention that one.person's prayer may prove counteractive to another person's prayer. It would be complete meyham.
Only way that what +Aaron Yandell 's comment could not result in complete mayhem is if everyone had their own universe that god gave them from which he answers their prayers and no one else in that person's universe is a real person.
I just found this channel. Now I'm binge watching. I wish I saw this when I was a Christian. Soooooooo good.
If only jefry were god
So I know why Muhammad's 'censored' but why's his name not-muhammad? Are you not supposed to say his name also or something?
Yup. Apperently according to muslims you aren't allowed to just say Mohammed but also have to say "praise be upon him" or some shit like that, or otherwise they'll torture you or something. So yeah...
Even Christians aren't so self-absorbed when it comes to Jesus.
It’s you 🥸
"Oh my me"
This is probably the best line ever.
"OH MY ME, Shut up about the damn kitten already. The answer's NO!
Yeah, everyone praises Gaben during a sale but when private information gets released to random strangers it's "Valve works in mysterious ways".
Though satirical in nature, these videos are actually very deep.
Brilliant.
Breaking the fourth wall! Been waiting for God to mention DarkMatter xD
If god knows everything and is in control, then prayer is useless. It also means that there is no free will. Let that sink in for a second.
3:13 how do you even get that sound
You know you're early when one of these videos has 0 dislikes.
All these media explaining the Butterfly Effect always make the unintended consequences to be as negative as possible, while a positive one is just as likely. What if God, or the parents, bought the girl a kitten and in the end someone found the cure for cancer?
We can never know if our actions can have unintended consequences or not, the best anyone can do is whatever is the best choice at the moment & hope it turns up for the best in the end.
+Thinker The Butterfly Effect is a description for the Chaos Theory, hence why it can't be positive.
Akos Barati Not really, chaos can be positive as well, like winning the lottery or a double rainbow.
Justin English I know, but his video has the god saying even by getting the kitten human civilization would collapse; which is very common in other media like Its a Wonderful Life.
I'm looking for an example that depicts getting the kitten leads to world peace or something, simply to have a balanced perspective.
Thinker
The etymology of it means a destructive force. Positive things do happen, but they rarely if ever come out of disorder, winning the lottery and a double rainbow are all subjected to the normal function of natural laws, not their anomalies.
+Thinker This thread reminds me of what Vision says in Age of Ultron: [paraphrasing] "Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be."
I'v enot even *tried* to look into the philosophical meanings of the order/chaos dichotomy.
If God Answered prayers, i wouldnt have myopia anymore.
And I wouldn't have a crippling neuropathy.
Excellent, intelligent, more subtly iconoclastic than most stories. Overall, an A+ Dark Matter episode. Congrats, guys, well done!
Feminists still exist, my prayers weren't answered
And that's why we need more. Just because
+Ryan Smith
Why's that?
That's kind of messed up man
*psuedo-tumblr femenists
+Cayden Glasscho
How?
If god’s supposed to be omniscient, why doesn’t it include the prayers in its plan?
God begrudgingly admitting DarkMatter is all that is awesome. 😂
I have always admired your humility, DarkMatter2525.
[smirks]
Y'know, it's videos like these that give me a serious opening on how pointless it was to ask for 'deliverance' or to be 'cured' of what I have. The multiple of questions an open mind would be able to ask once they have true awareness that 'prayer' has never 'changed things', can I credit myself on seeing through what I thought, just because of fear typically, didn't think I could. Personally how we've saw each other halfway through the bullshit can I define that as free will.
Oh great! I click an atheist user's video and I get a stupid ad for a Christian propaganda movie trailer. Ironic?
+straight_edge_energy_man - Don't posters get paid by these ads and have to approve them?
Wait what bs trailer? I am intrigued.
+straight_edge_energy_man Happens to the best of us, I've seen it before as well. Was it the new version of "the passion of the christ." When will one movie of the same bible story be enough? "I hear that this one is going to be exactly the same as the actual story."Did you know that the guy who played as Jesus in "The passion of the Christ" got struck by lightning, mistakenly gashed by metal shards on a whip, and battled hypothermia while filming that movie. Either they are really stupid for not providing proper protection, or they are worshiping the wrong god.
So you're saying that god isn't omnipresent? Because if he were, then he would already be where evil is. And if he were omnipotent, then he could just vanquish the evil. And if he was omnipotent, and knew everything that happens in the past, present, and future, then we would already have our whole lives planned out, we wouldn't have free will, and he would have planned our sins before we committed them.
So like. Religion. Its a toxic thing to debate. Right? So lets all just say "fuck it"
and move on with our lives. I mean. Seriously? Dat first comment was from like, February.
"The disease-festering colon of a water buffalo." Please step right up to collect your Father of the Millennium award.
You are the most genius person who’s ever lived.
I don't know whether to share this...I want to but I don't want to break relations with my friends
Nia LaLa V Most people I meet are religious. I met my first atheist in college. Thanks buddy
+OMGitsMoose I shared too much atheism and destroyed friendships. My opinion for me is it isn't worth it. You'll have to make the decision for yourself though.
+PsuedoGin Preach is a strong word. I think I'd find a guy who preaches at me really annoying, even if I agreed with him.
+OMGitsMoose had the same problem, lost some good friends for being atheist. Well it depends how close you are to those friends and how much you value their friendship. I have new friends, atheists, or just dont care agnostics, ones now. gl
Anyone who doesn't want to be your friend anymore because you challenge their blatantly false beliefs didn't deserve to be your friend in the first place.
I want me and Jeffrey to be best friends, would we would have the deepest conversations and the best of times.
DO an EDIT upon your Posting!
Can't belive i only just subscribed... you and Nonstampcollector are my favorites
0:51 I am omnipresent
*Then you didn't need to crash through the ceiling, did you?*
you look like the damn Wendy's logo hahahahahahahahahaha
That's what I thought too.
Well the mother getting her the kitten is different than god granting the prayer. So that would be part of the plan.
why is it different? granting a prayer would be part of the plan if he is omniscient
Sean McVan The plan was that she couldn't have a kitten "at that time". Essentially, near the time when the mother would need to be at that light. If the cat had been given to her, say, years after when the car accident was supposed to happen then she would have been reared that day and everything would have kept going as the plan.
+Pedro Rodriguez True but if the plan required the mother to get the kitten, then would the mother have free will to make the decision in the first place? Probably not.
+Maranda's Toys & Books Yup, either we have the will to change gods plan or we're just running a set of instructions in which case nothing we do matters. So can we deviate from gods plan in which case answering prayers is okay, but still never happens or are we static like characters in a book where there is no free will only the choices of the author.
Free will god is constantly intervening to keep things on course for his plan.
No free will so no intervention yet your choices have no consequences because god made you do it.
+Pedro Rodriguez but if she didn't pray to god for a kitten the mother wouldn't have gotten her the kitten maybe.
Wow, I am not an atheist and I am a seeker, I seriously love the thought process that went behind making this video.
8:39 I love when Jeffrey looked at the camera! Haha
I have so many questions about that ending sequence....
+Ableist Joe such as?
Jeffry proposed he'd have to constantly intervene if any alteration to his plan would happen. Him proposing this would have prolonged their conversation, cascading into ripple effects, intervening with his plan, so he intervened to not let him do it, interfering with his free will
+Ableist Joe ask any questions and mechasaurus-rex will *NOT* kill you....dood.
+Prinny ...Dood Ha dood! Ha...dood! Dood ha! Doooooooood!
Right before he said she looked like the Wendy's lady I knew he was gonna say that lmao
This is just brilliant work: great animation, great convo, embraces christian theology with good humour to show that if you follow it's implication all to way, it leads to contradictions.
Maybe God's plan is like a 'Batman-gambit'. It works because it only requires that people behave the way they always would, with or without a plan. Or whatever.
+Valter Östberg Then is it really free will if we always behave in the expected way?
+Deladus it's you who imprison youself wothout free will because you focus on what you think someone wants you to do. It's not them, they might not even be real. It's your kind
+Sam Coren mind*
+Valter Östberg Also, he's the god the universe wants, but not the one it needs
+Deladus thats pretty much what a lot of people believe, without actually believing in god, cause no one needs god for that
Don't blame me. I ALREADY SUBSCRIBED.
Also, I supplemented my engineering major with a minor in boob physics, so I have that covered, too.
Sometimes when i'm high i pray to Zeus and hear myself in my own head, super trippy bro
Prayers don’t solve anything. Prayers don’t defeat cancer but treatments does. Prayers won’t cure world hunger or help with world hunger. We got to do that ourselves
"The Wendy's logo" LMAO
I love u man. Thanks for all the effort you put on all or videos. This deserves to be on Adult Swim or any similar networks out there. Kudos.
Intercessory prayer doesn't make sense in the context of Abrahamic religions. If your prayer can change God's mind, God is not omniscient and prophecies are impossible. If both your prayer and God's response are part of God's plan, there is no causation between the two.
Dude, you are AWSOME, thanks so much for what you do!
If the gods answered prayers, humanity wouldn't exist: all of the loving, peaceful religionists have been praying for each others' deaths for 4,000+ years.
Peaceful? I wouldn't say so.
1588: The British and Spanish fought over God... just because of God
Will there ever be a Subwhore vs SRPM movie?
+Incredible Canemian, I wrote a few more SRPM endings with other villains that I plan to put at the end of future videos.
Cool
Incredible Canemian
Do you think there is even such thing as free will as Christians purpose?
+Ella Eats There can't be. If god has a plan, then, by neccessity, everything would happen according to his plan and if we'd be able to thwart the plan via free will, then there couldn't be that described god to begin with.
+MadnerKami Unless God's Plan included that thwarting!!! Checkmate, atheists!
Tychoxi If it did, it would negate the notion of free will as your thwarting were planned and, given it was planned to happen, it wouldn't really thwart the plan, would it?
+MadnerKami unless his plan spans billions of years, in which case human existence is a mere dot on a planet sized radar.
Free will wouldn't be able to change such a large scale plan if he designed the Universe in such a way that it would follow the basic rules and reach the intended goal regardless of human existence.
Since we don't know what that plan might be, we can speculate, and one speculation can simply be we're a simulation or experiment. Set the Universe to follow these fundamental laws of physics and extrapolate data.
I'm an atheist, btw. Fan theories are just something I enjoy doing. The bible is no different to me than the Matrix, but both are fun to try and puzzle out a coherent narrative (cause fuck Matrix 3).
Sergiu Pop
If that were the case, then you'd think he wouldn't evne bother with humanity to begin with, wouldn't he?
"well if a mountain moved, *plan pops up* alllll this would get fucked up" killed me