Should be on sale in Thailand, too, so Bjørn can maybe check up on it there 😊 Love his videos from Thailand. Still remember his run up their highest mountain with the brand new Ora Good Cat where it suddenly started to overheat a few kilometers from the top 😲
@@andrejmeschede2057 well examples galore, let's say ioniq 5 has 77ish kWh battery capacity and yet it peaks at 220kw charging speed. The list goes on, Tesla, PSA cars etc.
I can think of several reasons: Guess #1: A large first generation DC charging network in China might have been constructed in early days for 50 to 100 kW. Guess #2: I you charge a battery with 1 C, there is less stress for the battery - better lifetime, less problems with overheating and cooling. Guess #3: If you limit the current to about 200 Amperes, you save material and cost for high current cabling and high current semiconductors.
@@robertsarkezi2080 Tesla is far behind the germans to 90%. All BMWs (IX I4 IX3)are on the 40min mark at 90%. Mercedes also. Audi and Taycan a lot faster. Tesla used 46min to 90 in this test, Tesla are on VW level on average charging speed
I honestly think you should change your test. To test different cars against each other it would make sense to measure added kW per min.over a 5-90% range. In that way you're better able to compare different battery sizes. Besides mentioned this above, the P7 has a terrible charge speed compared to other modern ev's! With more chargers around the charging speed is way more important then the battery size. I would alway prefer smaller battery and a great changing speed, then this. A 1000km challenge will show you the downside.
Well you need to check again about chinese cars and how fast they can charge there is a new technology by GAC Aion. 30 to 80% in 10 mins even in cars 15 16k euros starting price!!!
Most buyers are probably not aware of technical details. Tesla is years ahead, but the competitors will learn and improve their next generation technology. Tesla has to keep innovating to stay ahead.
The EV boom is over! In a few months EVs will be available at half price. The energy crises will change the market completely in Europe. In the rest of the world (except USA) the market is anyway insignificant.
@@renecasa387 With the crazy prices we see on fossil fuels at the moment - why would you switch from your Model X + PV back to an ICE car? Many people I talk to at the moment are more interested in buying an EV than ever. But okay, let's check again in a few months.
MG4 has landed in the UK with 135 kWh charging capability on 64 KWh battery. Haven't tested yet but it promises only 30 min from 10 to 80%.
Should be on sale in Thailand, too, so Bjørn can maybe check up on it there 😊 Love his videos from Thailand. Still remember his run up their highest mountain with the brand new Ora Good Cat where it suddenly started to overheat a few kilometers from the top 😲
@@nakfan surprisingly MG ZS he ran up to the same mountain did not overheat, but yes I would love to see him testing MG4 there.
135kw....
So it overcharges the battery by over twice the stated capacity? I don‘t think that is possible. Plus it would be pretty risky.
@@andrejmeschede2057 well examples galore, let's say ioniq 5 has 77ish kWh battery capacity and yet it peaks at 220kw charging speed. The list goes on, Tesla, PSA cars etc.
Very nice and informative video. I would like to see that for every care you test ;). PS I am wondering if we will see similar curve for new Niro EV?
So why have they made the P7 have slow charging but the G9 have crazy fast charging?
P7 was released almost 3 years ago.
Tesla for the win as usual 🎉
P7 was designed for Chinese markets. In China, except Tesla, most of fast chargers are about 60KW most. Charging speed is not that important.
Why?
Dude it's the most important thing for an EV.
My 8yo 85kWh S charges faster until ~35%. Obviuosly if using slower charger from the start (i.e. not as much heat) it's able to keep up for longer.
Why are the charging rates so slow for new cars?
Cause they aren’t Tesla
The P7 is almost 3 years old. The brand new Xpeng cars are going to be fast as hell.
I can think of several reasons: Guess #1: A large first generation DC charging network in China might have been constructed in early days for 50 to 100 kW. Guess #2: I you charge a battery with 1 C, there is less stress for the battery - better lifetime, less problems with overheating and cooling. Guess #3: If you limit the current to about 200 Amperes, you save material and cost for high current cabling and high current semiconductors.
@@robertsarkezi2080 Tesla is far behind the germans to 90%. All BMWs (IX I4 IX3)are on the 40min mark at 90%. Mercedes also. Audi and Taycan a lot faster. Tesla used 46min to 90 in this test, Tesla are on VW level on average charging speed
I honestly think you should change your test. To test different cars against each other it would make sense to measure added kW per min.over a 5-90% range. In that way you're better able to compare different battery sizes.
Besides mentioned this above, the P7 has a terrible charge speed compared to other modern ev's!
With more chargers around the charging speed is way more important then the battery size.
I would alway prefer smaller battery and a great changing speed, then this. A 1000km challenge will show you the downside.
Perhaps the Chinese brands are all re-using 'stock' BMS software from someplace because their charging curves are very similar...
Well you need to check again about chinese cars and how fast they can charge there is a new technology by GAC Aion. 30 to 80% in 10 mins even in cars 15 16k euros starting price!!!
This car is so bad in many cases. Who buys this?
Most buyers are probably not aware of technical details. Tesla is years ahead, but the competitors will learn and improve their next generation technology. Tesla has to keep innovating to stay ahead.
Charging speed lacks compared to the M3, range is average. Wouldn’t say it was bad in “many cases”.
@@amiddled Consumption is ludicrous. So what even is a good thing about it? :D
@@kruemelfelix there's more to a car than just that. Otherwise nobody would buy an eTron
The EV boom is over! In a few months EVs will be available at half price. The energy crises will change the market completely in Europe. In the rest of the world (except USA) the market is anyway insignificant.
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The only things that slows down the EV boom at the moment is production capacities and delivery chain problems.
@@EinzigfreierName We talk then in 3 months; OK? By the way: I drive a Tesla X100 since 6 years and have PV. Reason why I know that it is over
@@renecasa387 With the crazy prices we see on fossil fuels at the moment - why would you switch from your Model X + PV back to an ICE car? Many people I talk to at the moment are more interested in buying an EV than ever. But okay, let's check again in a few months.