Nissan Ariya 63 & 87 kWh charging battle vs Volvo C40 and VW ID5
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As Ariya owner 87kWh i could not be more happier. All those journalists it's only max charging 130kw not of this time. It's all about the curve.
Interested in what you think about the Ariya in general. Thinking about getting one next year when my leasing deal is over
The Ariya(87kWh) doesn't need 200-350kW charging network for a speed run. 150kW network is plenty for the good result. I like it!
If we now take into account, how small the losses are on the Ariya, and how much more energy the big pack takes at any given percent in comparison to the others, it so takes the cake here.
Great results for the Nissan.
Its like listing to a football match 😁
Keep up your good work Bjørn👍🤟
100%👍😄
More like horse racing! 😁
We need to see the 1000 km challenge for both sizes of battery for this car
Love those charging videos
Nissan is a Boss 😄😂
I thought this was a big deal but now 6 months in and 10 000 km I still haven’t had the need to DC fast charge.
Exactly
I would be using dc charging on the weekends if I could afford one. 🙃
This is great for Nissan.
Thanks for a great review/test - Far too many reviewers focus on max charge peak rather than charging curve!
I feel like you are talking like this is a house race 😆
But good video man. Will be getting my ariya in a few days happy to see the curve is good. I think it's a great balance between good charge rate but not too fast because super fast charging can degrade the battery.
Plus ariya is one of the few cars (that I know of) where we can actually charge it to 100% and use all the miles with the buffer they have.
Never really been a nissan fan but they did a great job with this.
I wanna see a similar chart curve but for Wh/km for all vehicles at varying highway speeds.
he has google sheet for that.
@@GreenDriveIndia thanks for letting me know, just read the description but would be nice to have him dictate it like it's a football match lol
Are You able to provide a curve for the Tesla 4680-battery from some of the few and rare ModelY, that were delivered with this type of cells. Thank You, also for this video, which is very catching.
the ariya is dope looking
Every time I see charging races like this, I am absolutely happy with my EV6 77KWH.
Agree 100%. Same car here, AWD
So way higher charging losses in the VOLVO. Interesting. I wonder why? By the time the big battery Aria and the C40 hits 42% at the same time, the big battery Aria (remember C40 has a smaller battery) has got 25.8kWh delivered but the Volvo has got a wooping 29.4kWh. So based on their usable capacity the big battery Aria has 1% charging loss while the Volvo has 21% charging loss...
Looks like that Ariya and ID5 charges only to 4.1V/CELL (real 90%) while C40 charges to almost 4.2V (real 100%). C40 will probably have much higher degradation than others when charging to 100% (fake value on display)
You should try the RWD id4 with 135kw max charging Bjorn, that seems to have much flatter charging curve than this gtx battery. Even VW says it does 10-80% 7 minutes faster than gtx.
I got my C40 with single engine so 69 (nice) kw battery.
Out of curiosity I charged it at Ionity today to go from 78-90%. It was charging around 40 kwh.
Not sure if that's normal for the curve or battery wasn't optimal temperature. It was maybe 14c outside and 10 minute drive to the charging location.
Interesting results, but on the other hand how well are those batteries being taken care of. How will the fast charging affect the batteries lifecycles and efficiency in the long term.😊
Well done fat leaf. 👍👍
This reminds me so much of a horse race! :D
best sport commentator)
My old 2017 BMW i3 94 Ah could hold 50 Kw all the way to around 85% once warm enough.
My id3 tour 5 hasn't seen anything above 60 Kw when plugging in around 30%, shocking, I'm still on 2.3 software and I hope it improves after I get the 2.4 update at the dealer in a few weeks.
Just cold battery combined with relatively high SOC with the VW. Even with old software you will get 125 kW when starting at around 25% - but the battery needs to be at least at 27 dec C. New software (2.4 or potentially only later 3.0 will bring some improvements).
VW need a battery preheat function, really, just a menu that allows you to enable battery preconditioning for charging is all we need. The heater is already there ffs.
But this isn't an issue unique to VW.
Perhaps 800v charging would be better in cold weather.
Bjorn in the UK we can now order the Tesla model y standard range I think this may come with a LFP battery rear wheel drive only can you please do a 1000km challenge with this car when you receive them in Norway
I would really like to see a test of the New battery preheater in ioniq5, is it any good in cold weather
Could be the case where cold doesn't cause the charge to be too slow, it might take a hit but might not be too much because 800 volts means the current required for a good fast charge is roughly halved over 400 volt electric cars, when cold internal resistance increases and the battery just can't take the current but with more voltage current becomes much less of an issue however that being said, I'm sure a cold battery will have an impact but probably not as much.
You can be sure that at the same 12 Deg C and 30 % battery charge as my ID3 Tour 5 the Ioniq will probably see 120 Kw or more.
VW need to make a battery preheat function, they can do it, they just couldn't be bothered.
EV engineers should have their ICE cars taken away from them and be made drive electric cars especially in Winter and use only DC charging, the engineers and the bosses.
IMO much more interesting would be total kWh charged over time vs instantaneous power.
Not that useful since the battery sizes are different.
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ลองคิดดูเล่นๆนะครับ สมมุติว่า แบต 40kwh วิ่งได้ 200 กิโลเมตร แล้วแวะชาร์จแค่ สิบนาทีเต็ม มันจะดีขนาดไหน?
Love it
Just remember, it may sound like one, but this video is not about a football match.
Hey Björn,
can we also expected a review of the new Renault Megane E Tech from you? Since it shares the same platform as the Ariya it would be quite interesting how it compares.
I'm still waiting for a press car from Renault...
@@bjornnyland ah okay I see. I hope they’ll get it to you soon, cuz I’m pretty excited to hear your opinion about it!
Greetings from Germany btw :)
Quick charging is good but means more expensive infrastructure and potentially quicker degradation on the battery.
In a way I agree with your point. If +11kw onboard charger/chargepoints were the norm things would be easier. Cheaper to install and normally you get a good deal on energy or free in some cases.
Beefy LEAF ftw
24 kWh Leaf owner getting 9 kW at 84% in cold weather: o.o
I felt your pain. My 2015 Leaf had no fast charging capability, and could only pull 16A from the wall. I still managed to put >20K miles on it the first year though. 😅
@@mvansumeren4313 we can't charge at home, so no DC would be quite a pain, but it really doesn't like the cold weather
It must have à huge buffer to take 1C at this %age. Just like e-tron.
But is it safe for the battery ?
Moreover, i prefer be allowed to use this buffer, juste like tesla, whereas tracked extdégradation unutilized battery just for fast charging and hiding degradation.
I was getting a bit skeptical about the Ariya, as on paper it doesn't really impress on any spec. Maybe if it had been released 2 years ago as planned, but not now... At least it seems very decent in terms of range and charging. Hope they make and sell them in good numbers. They really dropped the ball at Nissan, and something compelling should have been ready 3-4 years ago.
It's too bloody expensive also.
Covid. We saw the Ariya at CES 2020 in Vegas. And then the world changed. Japanese, like the Chinese, locked down, and industry was wrecked. Ariya suffered. Nissan have 7 more EVs coming. Anyway, we went for a test drive in the Ariya (lovely in gun metal grey), and it was lovely. Except the haptic touch controls for HVAC and E-Pedal. I vont buttons!
@@GudieveNing I wonder what theyre going to make to compete with Model 3/Ioniq 6? These crossovers are cool and all but I would never buy one. Couldnt utilize the space lol
@@samusaran7317 They have two EV sedans in development for USA, but they're not coming to Europe.
Don't understand why Bjorn doesn't highlight the total charged energy. Way more interesting than percentage. Alongside the power it's what's really comparable.
Then the biggest battery will in general have the highest kWh number.
@@bjornnyland in the end, of course. But the race to the finish is way more interesting. Watched the C40 against the fat Ariya. The moment the Ariya passes the C40 in total energy is cool.
@@bjornnyland hey Bjorn... To be clear... This is a positive criticism. It's pretty cool what you're doing. I've been watching you for over 2 or 3 years now... Kudos.
@@bjornnyland yes, and absolute kWh also determines (added) range directly. What is really useful to know for example is how long it takes to add the amount of kWh each car needs to drive another 200-250 km (2-2.5 hrs driving at highway speed), based on your measured consumption in the 90/120 range tests.
Hej
Do a road trip in a xpeng p7
All of these are so slow compared to the Ioniq 5.
Yeah, to bad standard Ioniq 5 is a rear wheel drive.
@@MrParadoxia1 Standard or basic version of any car almost never start with AWD. RWD is better than FWD for both driving and efficiency reasons.
@@MrParadoxia1 You will go insane driving a front wheel drive EV with any sort of power especially on damp and wet roads, I test drove the Ioniq, E-soul, Leaf ( 150 hp ) and they all drove me bonkers when pulling hard out of junctions or onto main roads and this was on dry roads, the leaf was test driven in wet conditions and I almost lost my mind.
This was coming from a MKI leaf which was bad enough but due to it only having around 110 Hp it wasn't the worst but anything above this needs to be Rear Wheel drive.
I then moved to the BMW i3 94 Ah and the Rear Wheel Drive was night and day different.
Now I drive the VW id3 tour 5 and it's RWD and again, much more grip than FWD.
If the Ariya is anything like the Kona then I would never even dream of buying it because your 0-60 times can be drastically reduced due to the traction control.
Would be nice to see a charging battle between Ariya and Ioniq 5. I bet it could be quite tight.
@@fredrikh8070 I believe the ioniq 5 can reach speeds of around 220 kw and that's at around 40-60% charge ?
My VW id.3 Tour 5 will see a max of 60 Kw on Ionity at a charge of 50-60%. Pathetic.
I hope VW improve the charging curve with a future update. I'm not happy with the charging on DC at all for a 2021 EV I expected a lot better.
😂remember Ur 1st P85D: from TESLA!! look an niZzan with 87kwh battery❤
FIRST!
Second actually
@@bjornnyland shiiiiiiiiiit
This tests are BS. I've paused at 3:11 - C40 76kW @ 67%=50.92 kW with 51.8 kW charged while Ariya 80 kW @ 73%=58.4 kW with 51.9 kW charged?!?!?!?!?!?!?! And starting difference between them is 0.4 kW (10% capacity 8.0-7.6=0.4 kW) Something doesn't add up with Ariya's reported percentage!
Please don't do percentage comparison as it's irrelevant!
Don't mix up kW and kWh. Your comment was so confusing.
@@bjornnyland I kept the same unit of measure throughout my comment. What's confusing you? Percentage comparison of different sizes are irrelevant. You can look at the charge amount in a specific time period and that would be a lot more fair to compare.
C40 & id5 go home
except the C40 beat the Ariya by 25 minutes in Bjorn's 1000 km test, where it really matters.