🤣🤣Only one person here who has failed at math, and that's you. 4% of 100 would be 4. Four percent. Of 10,000 would be 400. 4% of 100,000. Would be 4000 vehicles? Yeah. We know that Ford has made more than that, probably in the realm of 250,000 of these. So that means they'll have somewhere in the area of 15,000 failures. And that's just for one issue. You may need further math to help you understand Ford. Never build an engine that had less than a 4% failure rate. Do you remember the Triton engines? Or the 6.0 powerstroke and the 6.4 powerstroke? And all of the the ecoboosts, except for the 3.5, are failing under 100,000 miles. I pray every Ford owner on this. Forum keeps buying Fords because I fix them!😂😂😂😂$$$$
Ordered my truck Nov 2019, 1st year Tremor for KR ,1st year 10spd, 1st year 7.3 33km. Service her 5k syn, oils no issues to date, great truck, to date.
Proper oil maintenance does not prevent the metal delaminating failure- it’s bad metallurgy. So if Ford replaces your bad engine at 31000, who pays for your second engine at 62000 miles?
Well, I'd say if your in the .2% that gets a bad one in the first 30 and you lose another at 60 and didn't catch the oil giving you hints, if say those are crazy bad odds and someone would have to pay better attention...
Or...here is a crazy ideea: manufacturers could just make decent cars that you can actually use as a tool and not worry all the time about how you can make it last at least 70-80 k miles. Nobody blames the brands for charging a ton of money for a shit product because they don't want to look poor or unknowing. If I was a Ford exec I would say build another one, call it the T REX, it costs 20k more and is 2x times less reliable....people will buy it like crazy, they would fail and users would blame themselves instead of us :))
My ‘21 7.3 developed a significant oil leak from the front main seal at 15,000 miles. Ford replaced it and extended my warranty for free to 75,000 miles. I’m hauling a heavy truck camper and averaging 11.5 MPG. Aside from a few minor issues over the last 30 years, all my personal and work Ford trucks/vans have been very reliable for me.
LOL. One thing I'd learned about ford guys, is When you ask them what high mileage is, they come back. They come back with 150,000 as a number, compared to us dodge guys. And I'm talking gasoline engines, Hemi. When you ask me what high mileage is, I say, 350,000. Miles which is what's on my 2004 Durango now. It's never had any work done. Except the water pump, of course. Every Ford made needs a An oil pump phasers. And timing chain replaced at 150,000 miles. And you couldn't get it done for less than. 35 to $4500.
I’ve had Ford trucks for 50+ years between my Dad and I! I’ve been very happy until my 01 diesel lost injectors at 60k and never ran right after replacement! My daughters 06 6.0 diesel was a total fiasco so I turn to 7.3 Godzilla, so we see the next saga! So far at 23k so good! Under extended warranty so leter rip!
@@timsimpkins3284 Hey, I have friends who are Fraud owners, and they've always been loyal for guys. None of them will. Will drive them past warranty. Because they both have. And spent.$5000 to repair the engine, only to sell the vehicle. So now their warranty drivers. Ford is Just one of those brands you don't drive without a warranty. My niece bought an ego boost. Didn't listen to me. And the engine blew up at 108K and And she couldn't afford to pay for a new Or even rebuilt engine at $12,000 She claimed bankruptcy to get out of that $45,000 vehicle. She is now driving a Dodge. That she bought used with 150,000 miles on a hemi engine. Like mine in my durango, which has 350,000 miles on it, she has nothing to worry about.
Improper valve lash or valve float can cause the same issue. If the lifter is leaving contract with the cam roller at any point, the valve spring slams the lifter back into the cam and is basically hammering the roller into the cam. This could also be a oil pressure issue, the Godzilla has a variable oil pump. The gauge on the dash is basically an idiot light that trips at 8psi. The loss of oil pressure at higher rpm will effect the backlash. I am not 100% convinced that is a lifter or cam materials problem
The conditions you described are called palling. For delamination to occur, a lamination needs to be present and that's a material defect. I think the majority of vehicles with this issue had some lower oil pressure programming problem and not a bad batch of cam and lifters. Those parts are on all the vehicles.
Yeah, you literally have one of the only two engines, and the other being the 5.0, which are any good that Ford has built in the last 25 years. They should have stuck with. The 6.2. Far better engine. And all of the parts were made years ago from. From good stock. Unlike the brand new 7.3, which is sourced exclusively from Chinese garbage.
I’m glad you’re sayin all this. Every manufacturer has these issues! I’m a new fan of your vids man. You speak truths. I’m not a fan of Ford only because of my issues during the triton era (against my family’s judgment)… but I like these 7.3s. I currently own a 5.3 Chevy right now from a family of GM owners… since the 60s. It also had lifter issues in its past. I have zero issues, zero transmission issues, zero oil burning issues. So yeah. It’s the few out there that have issues that scream the loudest.
When you compare the oil changes and other maintenances that come with a diesel, any savings in fuel mileage is lost in maintenance. I have several friends that own power strokes and their biggest disappointment was how much more the maintenance. The maintenance on the vehicle is. Than a gasoline vehicle that they previously owned. And I told them, it's going to cost a lot more. And what also comes with that. Powerstroke un-Planned trips to the dealership for Issues, all the time. You will not,Visit the dealership less than five or six times a year. With your truck being left overnight When you own a power stroke, that is a fact!
They were because GM doesn’t give a crap enough to recall anything unless the government forces their hand. Ford has billions riding on the success of the 7.3 and it’s little brother. I predict that they’ll do whatever it takes to correct it problem.
@U E can't tell you that. However as I stated in the video, not all parts are made by ford, gm or Ram and so on. With the cam and lifter issue this is something gm and ford have had issues with. On the first run of the 7.3s 20 and 21, those have had the reported issues. Not even all 20 and 21s have the issue. They put this motor in so Many things besides the super duty line...motorhomes, medium duty class b trucks and crate motors. The possibility of getting one of these motors is so low. In addition I have connections with many, many master ford mechanics. Several of which have never seen any issues with the 7.3. Like winning the lotto...chances are 1 in 238473987, but that doesn't stop people from playing. I've had good luck with the 6.0 and the 6.4 diesels. People need a number so they can validate or invalidate their thought process. The odds here are pretty low.
I agree with you 100% . Just bought 2022 250 lariat the 7.3. Motor is great and perfect substitute for the diesel. Let's be honest most people that buy the powerstroke don't even tow that much or have ever seen a Construction site.
I have the same truck but F-350. I only tow our 8K travel trailer during camping season around 10 times a year, with a few longer trips each year on vacation. The rest of the time the only thing it's hauling around is me, my wife, dog, and occasional groceries as my daily driver. Diesel would have been way overkill for my needs. Especially considering I live in NW Indiana and live only 12 minutes from work. If i had the diesel, It'd rarely get up to operating temperature and would kill the DPF filter, and I'd be freezing in the winter on my trips to/from work unless I let it idle for a long while to warm up.
@@niceatrya3477 that’s a very good point that is not often discussed. Many contractors like myself may keep their work to a 20 mile radius, in which case you’re most likely going to have even more emissions (dpf in particular) issues than most owners.
Killer Video 👍👍👍 I just traded in my 2013 cab/chassis 4wd crew cab 6.7 diesel with 100845 miles on it & the cp4 pump failed it cost me 8000.00 and put a new turbo in it sence it was right there,and guess what still had issues maxed out 2 credit cards to pay for it took it to best diesel shop here in AZ they said after 2 weeks they didn't know why it was peaking past the 31900 psi fuel rail pressure,So iv been watching the 7.3 Godzilla and bought a 2022 XLT 4wd Crewcab LOVE THIS TRUCK I only use it when camping to pull my 26ft cbb dune sport toyhauler weight is 13500,I abused it with 47 miles on it to see what it would do up a big long 7° hill THE TRUTH THE TRUCK BLEW ME AWAY ILL NEVER OWN ANOTHER DIESEL ESPECIALLY A 6.7 Where did u buy your puck system hitch I also need to install 1
Thanks for checking it out. It seems a lot of people don't know that the fuel pump and the turbo can be so costly, that if they go, I'd hope that they were the only thing to go and not damage the motor, but that is expensive as heck. I found the hitch at Brighton Ford. As of a month ago, the Ford OEM one allegedly on back order. However, calling around I found one at Brighton Ford and several at Loveland Ford. Sorry to hear you had to dump that kind of money into the Diesel, but congrats on the Zilla!
We have had two valve train issues at work both around 18,000 km and they both had to be completely rebuilt. Initially the dealer was dragging their feet… we found out it was actually Ford saying there was no problem. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yeah, you're one of those customers that's going to learn. They don't give a crap about you if you. You knew how many failed engines Ford has built in the last 25 years. You would run. Don't do it! you will get burned at some point. You've been lucky so far. If you get out without spending thousands out of your own pocket. And when you think a problem is repaired, I promise you you don't know Ford warranty. They will fix half of what's necessary. Only for you to come back three years later to get the rest fixed that has now failed. That's how they do it. Even under warranty, you lose use of that vehicle for months.
21k here on my 250 with the 7.3. no problems yet, towed a U-Haul when I moved, and have hauled gravel and compost in the bed alot, maxing out payload capacity.
Yep. I'm in the ambulance fleet business. Had one go down with this issue at 30k miles. New engine under warranty. Scary thing is I've got ten more E450 Superduty chassis on order with the 7.3. Hope they fix it by then.
Hey, you don't know the half of it? have you ever heard of powerstroke. Help. On youtube. That's a real channel. Back in the day, when Ford was building. The 6.0 and the 6.4 powerstroke engines. They were in ambulance as well, and people died, many on their way to the hospital. And some. And some the ambulance never arrived, LOL, because of those garbage power stroke engines. It cost Ford 10s of 1,000,000 for those lawsuits alone. Then there was the multibillion dollar recall on those engines. And then Ford built the Triton engine. Which was a POS? On the next engine after that, had cam phasers and timing chain failures and timing guide chain failures, intention or failures. So essentially, every motor that Ford has ever built, including all the new eco boosts, are failing. The only engine that's marginally decent in the egoboost is a 3/5, and the coyote. Unkillable. The only engine Ford ever built that's worth It's salt
@@AmericanSurvival001 Why is it Americans are unable to build a decent truck engine . Ambulances should be all based on Toyotas to keep people from dying .
@@neooverby3750 haha hardly. Fords been a piece of shit for decades. 6.0 was a failure, so was its successor, the 6.4. The 5.4 triton 3 valve was garbage as well.
Hey brother, I just brought a 7.3 home from the dealership. Used w 22K miles, I’m going to not worry about it and bought a 100k mile warranty just to cover myself. Thanks for the common sense videos! I’m going to be in the 499 that have no problem! Thanks again! Tim
Yeah, all of us know just saying it out loud. We'll certainly stop the problem. LOL. And the reason you bought your vehicle used is because they might have already fixed the problem on that vehicle, but they didn't fix all the problems. Ford is? Ridiculous that way. They will only fix the failed lifters and leave the rest in the engine. That's how dumb they are. They would rather pull it apart twice. Or three times, then do it right the first time and replace all the roller rockers. And remember, that's just one issue. You still own a Ford at the end of the day, and Ford is proven they cannot build an engine.
My grandfather told me once vehicle warranties aren't worth the paper they are written on....that played out to be true on my truck. Ford didn't cover anything on my truck, new turbo and lots of engine work and they covered none of it!!!
I am thinking of getting one in a couple of years when I retire. I bought a 2004 ram 3500 diesel in 2006 for $19,000. I mostly pull livestock trailers in Colorado so I don’t drive to fast so it’s been a good truck. I was offered $35,000 for it last summer but what now can replace it? In 200,000 miles I put on two alternators and a water pump. I had a 2017 ram 3500 diesel and put a 105,000 miles on it. Had 3 timing cover leaks, complete rear end and a cp3 all covered by warranty. The rear end and the cp3 were replace at 99,000 miles
Nephew just experienced this very problem with his truck (2021 7.3) he is fighting with Ford right now, Ford is saying he didn't maintain the vehicle correctly which is a BS copout, not the first time my nephew has issues with Ford, he had to sue Ford back in 2004 over numerous issues with his F150he bought new, they settled and bought the truck back, the truck spent 6 months out of the 14 months he owned it at the dealer,
Hey, your nephew. Will probably buy another Ford in the future. I don't know why people are gluttons for punishment. He will spend$5000 out of his own pocket to keep a POS Ford running. That US Dodge guys have the same problem. LOL. No, we don't. Any hemi engine. Is bulletproof.
@@AmericanSurvival001 yeah he didn't learn his lesson with the 04 F150. Tried to tell him to buy a dodge ram before he bought the 2021 F350. he's regretting it now
I’m glad you brought up the “if your expecting Prius mileage on a heavy duty truck, look into your needs”. I’m still driving my 2002 f250 supercab with 340,000 and really want a new crew cab but so on the fence with a diesel as I don’t need all that awesome power. Been looking hard at a 7.3 gas since they came out. I’m also hard pressed not to just buy another 2002 7.3 diesel crew cab.
Absolutely cost wise if you can find a gem 2002, it may be just as worth it. Literally every forum and blog and complaint board lists the only three problems with the 7.3.....and mpgs is one of them.....kinda funny.....I remember when my 230 inlone 6 in my 63 chevy got about 8....and my 454 getting 2 towing....14 plus is a heaven sent.
People surprised that a massive v8 in a heavy duty truck doesn’t put out super mpg is just silly. I bought mine expecting terrible mpg, and I was not let down. I do giggle a bit when I’m getting 17-18 on the Highway though
Good luck finding a 7.3l in decent shape these days.. for sure there are some cream puffs but they are hard to find and will be $30,000 or more.. I see rough ones with over 200k miles for $15,000+. Great trucks, I have one but no way I’m paying that sort of money they are basically antique trucks at this point lol
I just bought a diesel. I also still drive my 2002 v10 that drives like new. Have three newer Ford's 2017, and 2 22s. I test drove the 7.3exact same as the 6.7. Went with 6.7
Apparently around 1% of these motors have been failing. This is not out of line with the rest of the automotive industry. The nice thing is it's happening under warranty and Ford is just replacing the entire motor if they find this issue. So you get a brand new motor;) Will be interesting to see if the problem persists into 2023 and beyond. I still think it's worth the risk. This motor is built like the old school V8's were built. They are designed to last and were intentionally overbuilt so that they can be rebuilt in the future as well.
TH-cam is interesting. All of a sudden, 7.3L lifter concerns are being broadcast by multiple content creators. The only real failure example(s) seems to be from 'Ford Boss Me', but even he has no actual failure rate numbers to provide. Just he has seen a couple. How many 7.3L engines are out there (2020-2023)? How many failures? What was the usage history of these motors? 7.3L in RV, ChassisCabs seems to be the few I've read about....tune difference? I also read a post by an RV mechanic that says the 7.3L is showing to be very reliable in his experience.... We need more data. Right now, it's just empty drama.
You’re right man. I saw the Ford Boss video the day it came out and ever since I’ve seen a bunch more videos uploaded by other creators. I’m buying a truck soon and still planning to get this motor. Unfortunately none of the truck brands seem to be able to build a totally perfect truck. At some point we will all have to accept that.
Exactly Correct..........all drama and lots of it. Appears to be mostly from Chevrolet and GMC truck loyalists. I watched a YT video the other day......the creator was trashing some of the parts on the 7.3L...the chain driven oil pump. Plenty of comments and posts trashing the same part. Who knows how many tens of thousands of miles or how long in years the chain will last on the oil pump????? All Speculation!!! When I was a teenager I owned a couple of old Chevrolet trucks...a 1969 C-10 2WD - "Action Line" and a 1978 K-20 4WD "Square Body".....both had 350 V8s and mechanical fuel pumps. Those fuel pumps would fail too. I tend to think the GM guys are butt hurt that Ford introduced an awesome push rod V8....simple as that. GM engineers cannot build a good 4WD truck. Why? Three reasons listed below. 1. IFS results in more maintenance and poor axle articulation off-road compared to a solid axle. 2. Low Hanging Frame Rails which results in a low stance and poor approach angle, poor breakover angle and poor departure angle. I have seen Chevrolets and GMCs sitting like a teeter totter and stuck on a rounded hump knoll off-road...quite the sight and funny. 3. Angle - Square - Rectangle shaped wheel well opening for a round rim and tire...absolutely stupid design for a 4WD truck. Difficult to Impossible to install larger diameter tires without sacrificing "center of gravity" via higher required suspension lifts compared to Ford and Dodge 4WD trucks.
Hate this is happening to the low percentage. Haven't had any issues with mines at almost 15,000 miles. I just hope it doesn't happen to anyone who's warranty have ran out.
Truly I think the biggest contributing factor here is Ford and the OLM say you can go 10K miles between oil changes. That’s complete horse crap! The two 7.3 engines I’ve seen here on youtube have been with chassis cab units so who knows how many idle hours were on the oil? I change my oil religiously at 3K intervals using a quality synthetic. Is it overkill? Maybe but I’m 57 & have been changing oil since I was 15. Nothing I’ve ever owned in all my years has never had a engine lubrication issue Ever! Oil is cheap compared to replacing a engine! My 2021 F-350 7.3 has 16K miles so far & runs like new!
@@OShackHennessy Is he supposed to put an extra 100,000 miles on his truck to please you and give you more evidence? The guy just told his 7.3 story that he has experienced, and that’s all. I have 400 miles on mine and mine runs like new too. Lol
@@cliffordmontana4562 No I could care less how many miles he puts on his vehicle but I’m not sure why you would say you’ve got 16k and it runs like new. It is in fact still “new” so don’t know what that proves. The OP actually brings up a great points but that last sentence is rather useless.
Amsoil is the only lubricant that should be used in these engines. Chevy 350s have gone a million miles running Amsoil, while all bearings remained in spec and you could still see the cross hatch on the cylinder walls. Not all oils are created equal, and if there are "wear" issues in these engines or any risk of, I would definitely be running the best. Also, put a Gold Plug magnetic drain plug in that bad boy.
I was excited when this engine came out, and was a more powerful replacement of the Triton V-10. The only thing I was worried about was will the Godzilla be as reliable and durable as the Triton V-10 which is just about bullet proof.
Oh, they have what are you talking about? The 6.2 and the 5.0., are you talking about the other dozen engines they built that are no good? LOL. Yeah, Ford. Burns customer after customer and his. Made RAM the second best selling Truck because the handy engines don't break. There's few issues, but I have one with 350,000 miles on it. And my first one, I put 500,000 miles on it and gave it away to a nephew. I would never drive a Ford without a Warranty. Even their cars, the Ford Focus, was garbage. 40,000 mile car needed a transmission rebuild., and on and on and on about Ford's failures. I could go all day
The GM issue is quite a bit different and still a problem. Their active fuel management lifters collapse. Hopefully fords issue is just a bad batch of cams.
It's a ford. Look at thier mod motor. They never fixed its issues. Just keep selling known bad engines. They did it with the 6.0 and 6.4 diesels also. They will push this garbage as long as they can. and then build something else just as bad.
The difference is, GM will deny an issue to the bitter end. I drove GMs for 30+ years but I’ll never own another one, especially built after about 2007-2008. They’re dumpster fires of unreliability.
Ford tech here. We are starting to see these come in with the same problem. in box trucks too. well maintained and its happening between 30k-40k miles. havent seen one with 2k do it your the first ive seen do it. But it is a on going issues. The motor isnt bad and its not lack of maintenance so you did nothing wrong. Its the same GM design where they are having lifter failure. Only these arent collapsing. They are delaminating and the cam is delaminating and it starts to pit.
Are there any high quality aftermarket cams available for the 7.3L? I would guess so, because the 7.3L is already being swapped in several different vehicles. I should check the Livernois Motorsports website. Actually, I want to swap a 7.3L and 6R140 into an older Ford Excursion sometime in the future.
Ford will eventually fix this issue but they have to find all the flaws first. You are part of that process. Toyota for example actually tests their products before selling them. That is why it takes so long for their new products to arrive for sale. The real bummer is when Ford changes the engine that will show up on CarFax and that detracts from its value. Ford diesels have a CP4 and that is a whole other subject. I am a retired mechanic and have seen a lot Ford has always been this way and I will never touch one.
Yeah. The difference is Ford fixes all the problems on their vehicles. And the flaws using the customers And I promise you, Ford will leave you hanging out to dry if you went over an oil change by 1000 miles. Which literally would mean nothing. But if it's recorded on your. Vehicle computer. They will send you a packing. I would never buy a Ford ever again
I talked with a rancher back when chevy had the big gas motor and duramax. He was from Wyoming and towed a stock trailer in the hills. He had both trucks and i asked which one did he like the best. To my surprise, he said hands down that he liked the big gas motor over his Duramax.
It's not just ford having these issues!The Chrysler hemi and 3.6 as well as GM LS engines have the the same widespread problem.Chrysler has class action suits against them it's so bad as does GM.Its not the design of the engines it's the parts!When you put junk parts in from China then your going to see what were seeing.The hemi in my 2017 Ram came apart at 36k miles because either the lifters or rocker arms disintegrated and then took the cam out.They couldn't tell what the initial cause was because they have common failures with cams,lifters and rockers.Get rid of the chinese parts and they will last just fine!
I really like your point it can be really educational to the uneducated, I am a Ford dealership technician and what's funny is my primary repairs are Ford vehicle's primarily trucks "But" 50% of the time I work on Chevrolet and Dodge trucks and some cars The LS, never get tired of swapping them out with less than 150k miles but I've seen some upward toward 350k but not often, the Hemi not so much they get swapped out just north of 150k not bad but not epic and the 4.7 Magnum forget about it, 2 6.2 Boss engine's From Fleet vehicle's with over 250k, 3 Coyote's warranty, 4 Ecoboost warranty, no Godzillas yet and we sale a lot of trucks, been at the dealership 18 years with that being said if we didn't take in the other brands we'd be out of business, my biggest thing about Chevy guy's is they over shadow the great sbc 350 with the LS I'm a car guy but I drive Fords like I stole them from my 300 I6 F-150 330k to my 210k 5.0 Coyote and my life has been comfortable with them and yes we repair many other brands and diesel pick-ups from the big three
That's great info, thanks for posting. That i6 from ford has to be one of the best motors they ever made, 351....was also great. And the chevy 350 probably the best gm v8 to date.
They all have issues, I'm a Ram guy , I own two 6.7 Cummins trucks and a Hemi truck. My 5.7 does not have the Hemi tick and is so far free of the cam and lifter failures. It has 130k. The dipstick issue with the new Rams is the 68rfe by the way not the Cummins.
Long live my old 7.3 PS diesel 203k miles and no cam or lifter problems. No oil usage or oil leaks. It's been tuned for pulling a RV. What's going to happen when all those new gas and diesel trucks are out of warranty and people can't afford to fix them ?
I have many of these in a bus fleet. They get the absolute HELL driven out of them. 200+ miles per day, every day. Abused, etc. NONE of them have any failures what so ever. NONE! The only issue that I have had.. they love to have failures of the sparkplug wires due to heat likely due to our vehicles having extended times of idlleing. Other than that.. these are a beast! If you killed one of these, you did something you shouldn't have! and I bet honestly you know what it was!
It's not that you have bad luck. It's that you buy Fords. If you just did a little research over the past 25 years and found out how many failed engine architecture, Ford has built, you would never buy a car or a truck built by Ford. Now, if you're old enough to know better than you deserve everything you get. Hope is not a strategy. And it won't keep your. Keep your credit card with a 0 balance either.😂😂
@@bryanthornton6787 You're a Ford Guy why would you be driving a Dodge or a GM? Some of us are contractors and have owned the other brands and know better, LOL. To the tune of dozens and dozens of Trucks In 20 years. The powerstroke and the duramax cannot compete when pulling loads. Neither one of them will tow heavy. And do better than 10 miles to the gallon, maximum. The Cummins will tow all day long. At 13 1/2 miles per gallon. The two extra cylinders on those V8S drink fuel. This is why all semi trucks run straight 6. Motors in case you're wondering. And if you've owned any powerstroke, Triton engine. Or ecoboost, then you've repaired them. There is not a Ford made that doesn't require cam. Timing chain and timing chain guides on any model after 2005.
There is nothing to argue about when it comes to V8 mpg. I've had my 02 ram v8, drove it 4 20yrs ,and now I have f250 2022 7.3 V8. I didn't expect to get 36mpg. All I want is what this beast can do to haul my toys, that is, it I love my V8 if they wanna save gas get a 4cyl. 4 sure they will save gas.
You know Ford is closely watching the data to determine if it’s a bad batch of parts and let it run its course with replacing engines, or if it’s a major issue and it will cost less for them to proactively replace parts to avoid replacing engines. They are always watching the data and running the numbers, risk motivation to avoid the biggest loss scenario. Most are going 35-45k miles, so its warranty work which they care about
Ford and GM are still trying to fix trucks with problems with their valves and their lifters from 2014 and they haven't called it so don't say oh if it wasn't a problem they'd be calling it no they wouldn't they'd rather pay the fine
Its just a cam. Thy will put a new one in there no problem. My F450 has 55K miles on it no issues. I love it. Some say idling is not good due to variable oil pressure. I only idle at start up and use mobile1 exclusively every 5k.
Sucks for people who don’t drive much.. I only put about 7,000 miles a year on my truck so I could be out of warranty before hitting 40,000 miles.. expiring after 5 years is lame and not just a Ford thing tbf.. a 60,000 mile warranty should be good until you hit 60k miles even if it takes you 8 or 9 years. Blah blah “extended warranty” I shouldn’t have to pay more just to protect myself from a bad part.
Yep, and I'd suggest to wait until 32k before buying a factory extended warranty. Technically you can buy one up to the 60k. So you wouldn't lose anything, but sometimes that's the price of peace of mind. At that low of miles per year, paying 10k for a diesel option, yous be in the same boat. You'd year out, but thw costs of repair are ten fold. And still you'd only get 5 year 100k. They can taylor thw warranties to cover more years then miles. I didn't buy a warranty extension. I think this motor will be great
I have a New Edge mustang I’m thinking about sticking one in! Here in America I can get the whole drive train, trans, engine, PCM for $8500 ready to go. That’s cheap for everything most engines cost that much here.
Owning a Ford of late, is like playing Russian roulette with their new motors. I gave up on them 18 years ago. If it wasn't such a known issue, I'd swear some of you guys are a gluten for punishment. It has been a known issue for more than a year. 😨
Dude, LOL. Aren't you amazed that people will keep fixing a power. Stroke diesel to the tune of 15 or $20,000 / a 10 year time. And think that it's normal! and that it was a good deal.???. Meanwhile, you and I drive vehicles for 350,000 miles, and have zero problems. I've come to think human beings can be conditioned. And it's mostly by their own bias. And then look you in the eye. I'd say that's just. That's just normal. LOL. No! it's not. I've driven half a dozen dodge vehicles in my 55 years, and none of them have had engine failures of any kind. And I've put no less than 300,000 miles on any of them. And have 100,000. On my first. 1993 Dodge. 1500 with a 360 engine. Yeah, it went a half a million miles before it gave it to my nephew. I was tired of driving it.
Dude, you. Realize that engine will go 500,000 miles. Yep, I have 350,000 on my. 2004, Durango and I. And I put a water pump on it. It still has the original starter. Nothing's more reliable than Dodge Chrysler. Anybody who switched from Ford to RAM or Chrysler knows this. And anybody who switches over to Ford always comes back. LOL.
I am just curious to where you got the “The General 7.3” decals? I have a 2022 F250 with the 7.3, I only have 2500 miles, but so far I am very impressed with absolutely no buyer’s remorse. I bought it to mainly pull my travel trailer and a sometimes daily driver. Thanks for your video content!
Absolutely 💯, glad you dig the 7.3. I name all my trucks. This one I called the general. I got them custom made eat vinyl status, you can choose style color font and wording, they were about 8 bucks each, and I 5 year vinyl.
On my diesel I send an oil sample to be checked wear metals, fuel and water. Can do the same for the gas engines. This would catch wear metals earlier than you can see them.
6.0 vortec and the 5.3 vortec were the only solid no issue motors. I have a 2017 3500 drw chevy ltz with the 6.0 vortec with 45k care free miles. And I have a 2001 1500 chevy lt z71 with 245k miles and knock on wood, only put a new radiator and water pump in it and it has all original drive train ball joints and all the other parts also. I took it to a shop and they could not believe at 245k it has all original suspension. But they checked it and said it was all solid.
Wish that were true. I have the 5.3, replaced the engine due to bad heads (Castech head problems, check it out. The heads seaped coolant into the oil.) Replaced the engine with a GM crate engine. Guess what, it came with a bad head. Dealership rebuilt the engine, no issues since. 5.3 is a great engine, no doubt the 7.3 is too. A great design is still subject to getting cheap in the wrong places. I hope Ford gets this straightened out quickly, customers treated right, and the 7.3 becomes what it was meant to be. As for GM. The dealership treated me well. GM did not. When contacted by GM, I was asked how many GM vehicles I had owned. I wasnt ready for that question, and answered this was my second. After the call, I realized that it was 4 (I had owned a 71 and 68 pickup when much younger, great trucks). I had hoped to stay with GM. The way I was treated by GM guaranteed I will never own another. The dealership was great, wish they were a Ford dealer! GM must have felt I wasn't coming back, so made no effort. They guaranteed that.
You are not completely correct regarding the GM 5.3L Vortec engine. Several production years were good, but a few production years...bad engine. The GM Generation IV 5.3L V8 Vortec 5300 LC9 gasoline engine exhibited abnormal oil consumption that exceeds industry standards. The excessive consumption lead to a lack of proper engine lubrication, resulting in internal engine damage...and failure. Big lawsuit over it. And the GM 8L90 (8 speed) transmission was a complete failure.......a total piece of junk! Gigantic lawsuit over it.
Just sharing my experiences. Sadly, I've met others with the same problem. The 5.3 is a great engine, no different than the 7.3 will become. Both have their initial problems, hopefully Ford won't dump it on the consumer. GM did. Time will tell. 3 out of 4 heads....with the "new" GM engine coming with a bad head. Says quite a bit. The dealership was awesome, wish they were a Ford dealership!
Yeah I can only speak for everyone I know that have the 2001 5.3 and all of them have upwards of 400k on there 5.3, mine is the 245k but still strong. But I have spoke to everyone that has had the 6.0 vortec from early years on up to new years. My septic buddy had a older year 6.0 vortec and tried to kill it but couldn't, then my other buddy abused his 6.0 vortecs from old to new with nothing but heavy dump trailer loads everyday and still got upwards of 400k out of the motor. But as everyone has said some come with cheap parts and get the bad luck of the draw.
Much appreciation on this video, thankful for your very logical and diplomatic view on this subject, I’ve been seeing some of those very gripes about this motors issues, but I ve seen some techs that echoed what you said, concerning the run of the 7.3s that had that had valve train issues. I’ve been considering a 7.3 regular cab 4x4 f250 STX I spotted on a lot 2 was ago. Still on the fence about it but I’ve definitely not having unrealistic expectations on fuel mileage and this strikes me as a motor that’ll be a bit more sensitive to owners maintenance , requiring careful attention. But many of these manufacturers definitely are having their share of issues, thanx for sharing man👍🏽
After having all three over this last year, the chevy HD teucks are rhe best towing truck out there. The Godzilla is excellent also. If the trailer is under 17k, me personally I'd do the 7.3 zilla or the 6.6 l8T. The ford has the softest seats of the big three, but for me I found the former seats in the chevy great because the ride was better. I drive ford's all day at work and I think they are great. We have powerstrokes and they are beasts, but with the regens, it's not fun. If your over 18k and you can spring for the diesel, I think between 18k and 20k it's a toss up. Over 20k lbs, the gasser would be maxed and diesel is probably a better choice. On the other side, if you'll be using the truck when you aren't towing as your run around truck, that will be bad for any diesel, and in the long run the gas truck makes more sense again. Anything towed under 12k, I'd also say gas no matter what. The zilla was really good on gas (in my opinion) , and was just a joy to drive over the powerstroke. And here diesel is back up 1 to 1.50 a gallon more. I think the failure rate of the zilla is low enough, and it is a great looking rig. I'd say you'll be towing enough days out of the year. That diesel may make sense, but I'd base it also on weight. Lighter trailers, gasser all day. Hope that helped.
I'm a big man I find the GM seats to be very uncomfortable they cut into my hip especially my left side I hear Ford and Ram have the .most comfortable seats
Guarantee that it'd more like 1 in every 100 or less I have 8 of these in my fleet all got brand spanking new and within a year and a half or so they all had these problems every single one . And good luck finding the parts
Nice Video Quality; poor math. My 7.3 L is still fine after 157,000 miles and 23 years. There is nothing wrong with it! Obviously I have the older 7.3L Turbo Diesel :D
Im looking to get a used 2021 7.3 with 50k miles or a 2023 silverado 6.6 with about the same miles. It will be through carmax with their maxcare extended warranty 5yr/150k miles. I would like to get one of these trucks by this week
I'd say go with the one that is the most comfortable for you. The 23 chevy with the gas will have the 6spd vs 24s have the allison 10. If you find both to be comfortable, I will still stand by that the gm trucks are a little more stable towing especially up near the max tow ability. If the warranty is good and covers any mechanical failures then you would be covered if there is an issue. I'd also make sure, if you like to do your own maintenance, that the warranty requires you to do service there all the time. Congrats ahead of time on the new rig and safe travels.
15,500 miles on 2022 F150 2.7 STX. Burned up the 10-speed tonight. Dealer had reflashed it at 10,000 miles. As soon as it's drivable again it's getting traded. Ford has MAJOR issues right now with a lot lot of different things. Buyer beware.
There's an old saying, and it goes back 25 years. Don't drive a Ford without a warranty. You're. Off to sell that truck and. And go buy another used low mileage Ford if you got to drive a Ford and suffer. Rather than by any gasoline dodge with a hemi in it that will run 350,000 miles. Before you even change the water pump.
The Duke says, it's not the motor that is the problem, it is the quality of the parts. Ford and other manufacturers are getting substandard camshafts and lifters from overseas. It has nothing to do with the quality of the oil or how often you change the oil. I say this because there are many engine builders on TH-cam that put together motors who are experiencing the same problems. For example they are using Comp cams parts and they are failing immediately. One engine builder called one of the camshaft companies and they tell him they are no longer going to offer a warranty for their camshafts until they figure this out. Blame Ford RAM and Chevy all you want. It is not their doing. Bad parts equals a bad motor. Needless to say the manufacturers should warranty this debacle. What did I teach you?
I work for the state and I service a fleet of e450s we just got 20 of these motors in our new bus’s 6 had to go to the dealership for cam and lifter jobs one needed a block 😅
They just recently got rid of the only motor that had me considering ford at all the 6.2 was fairly decent at reliability and now I don’t think there’s any truck manufacture now who’s new motor isn’t complete crap I swear when the govt started tightening leashes on what they manufactures can use engine reliability/quality has gone way down all for “more efficient” bs the more vehicles break the more parts at going in the trash is all it’s doing taking away one problem causing a new one
If idiots at ford quit making small blocks trying to perform like big block .... just bring back 390 and 460 real big blocks problem solved Now my 1997 7.3 Diesel manual transmission 400k no issues i have others no issues Our 7.3 gasser I use Delo 10 30 syn oil plus zinc additives no issues at 33 k plus I use marvel mystery oil in fuel everything helps
I have been saving money for one of these trucks for the last 4 years, if it fails on me I will go nuts. these are stupid expensive trucks so it better last forever!
Is there any info as to a time frame when Ford stopped installing the cams/lifters in question? 1 in 500 doesn't sound like a supplier QC issue or raw material issue. . . Is it just luck of the draw with these? What's causing. . Or the root cause of the delam? I'm not an engine guy. . Or a metallurgist. . . Just a guy trying to buy a truck that's gonna make it 250k
Buy old, something with no rust, no nanny feature and go thru it. I don't need a big truck so I bought another 2011 ranger. I know these trucks work end of lifecycle and they are so simple. Works for my needs. It's not just the motors it's all the nanny shit that can break.
I don't see paying 10k more for a diesel engine and the maintenance costs as a benefit. If I were hauling everyday, then it would be a business investment. I only need the power once in a while. Think I'll wait to see if Ford gets this problem solved.
So, in the market for used f250. Is it safe to say if they made it passed the 30-40000 range chances are it’s good to go? Or just stay away from the ‘20s altogether?
I'd day you are safe, you'd still have some powertrain left warranty left. But if they would add a aftermarket warranty as part of the negation may give you some.piece of mind. But I wouldn't sweat it. The percentage is .2% that someone/anyone gets one of the motors that has issues
LOL. Ohh. I dare you to buy a Ford. I dare you. LOL. Used new I don't care. You will come to know the people at the dealership by first name. You don't even know the half of it. Research. You'll never drive a Ford. Even a Chevy. Is a better buy. And any Dodge Chrysler product, if you look around on the road, you will see them 30 years old, driving around. Jeeps, Durangos. Mid 90s trucks, all of them, gas and diesel. But you. But you won't find any Fords of the same years. Make me a liar
Again, you purchase a gas truck to pull shit with. PURCHASE A DIESEL! That's what a diesel is for, its a work truck, not a pavement princess! Just saying, and I ABSOLUTELY love Ford
I was exited about this engine, but WAAY to many horror stories. My next truck will be the 6.6 GMC. Currently my 2015 6.0 has been bullet proof! 120k and no issues.
I think that's a good engine too. Trying g to get my hands on one so I can compare it for everyone. The few I've test driven pretty good. The 10 speed will be a nice addition.
The company I work for started buying Ford F-250 Diesels in 2008 for me, I pull a trailer 7k lbs.for work every day in western NC. Since 2008 every Ford has sucked. I have a 2017 with the 6.7 Diesel. From 2008 on Ford, ither screws up the main drive line or it has crappie electronics like the 6.7 does. And I have dealer service. Please don’t waste your hard earned money on them. Glad that P.O.S. ant mine!
I have been buying a Escalade, Denali or Tahoe for my business vehicle every 3 years for many years and Dodge/Ram diesels as my personal truck. I need to trade my current GM suv for business reasons, but every time I ask a salesman if the GM valve and blown engine issue has been corrected, they ignore the question and change the subject. GM's "known" issue has been frequent enough to have a class action lawsuit. We all know, SHI* happens, but my real problem with GM valve issue is there fix. Many cases they are rebuilding the engine instead of replacing with a crate engine. It would be hard to deal with having a new $90K truck with 3k miles and a rebuilt engine. I don't bash Ford, never owned one. But have several friends that have owned powerstrokes over the years, have heard their complaints and about the costly shop visits. Not good for Ford when the CEO has made statements that Ford has the most problems, most recalls and most warranty claims of all vehicle manufactures. People may say that's because Fords sales more vehicles, but the ratio to vehicles vs repairs and claims are significant enough for the CEO to address quality issues and make drastic changes within the company.
Most likely, this can be traced to the poor consistency of one specific camshaft induction heating machine. There is a process audit metalurgist at that plant who can point to the exact machine. However, s/he is powerless to do anything about it. The plant manager is a prick big shot who cannot be contacted. I am describing this from first hand experience at a different time and place. And the problem can continue for years! Nothing will be done about it because the plant manager didn’t get into that position by being a nice, open minded and caring person. On a specific schedule the process audit metalurgist obtains sample camshafts and saw cuts the cam lobes in half. The face of the lobe is polished, revealing the depth and consistency of the hardening process. They write reports. The problem is that management ignores the reports.
From information I have seen only 2% of these engines have had the problem. Now if your engine is in this 2% it is 100%. Ford should extend their warranties on these engines
This was hardly ever an issue when we were using metals sourced and made here in the US. I absolutely cannot stand metals sourced from China and other places. Especially China. In class 8 trucks made after 2000 the frames rust to pieces within 1-2 years if not maintained. Trucks made before that time would last decades. Same goes for engine metals.
This thing is worse than the 6.5L Detroit Diesel from the 90's. The oil pump tied to the timing chain is the problem when the engine slows down the oil pressure drops and the cam and lifters get chewed up. When they redesign the pump the problem will probably clear up. Think of the Windsor Small block or the 385 series big block none of them have a cam driven oil pump in the front. They are crank driven. The camshaft changes speed much more rapidly than the crankshaft does so it doesn't provide the consistent oil pressure an engine needs to keep working.
That's funny you mention the old 6.5. had one not very powerful, but it was a great motor over 150k when I let it go my dad had a 96 with over 250k before the radiator blew and cooked the motor. But that was hummers motor for the h1 and our military....The issue with the 7.3 is not as grand as people think, it's like one in 500 may develop that issue. But good points.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 I thought they redesigned the 6.5 Detroit because of all it's trouble? AM General redesigned the motor as the Optimizer 6500 and that's what's under the hood of a Humvee.
@Andrew Gordon it was tweaked and allegedly re vamped but other than moving the ecm our of the tunnel of the motor, it stayed roughly the same. Before that, the old 6.2....which wad an alright motor also...just had no power...
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the cam does not go proportionally any faster than the crankshaft as the premise of mechanical engineering of this engine is the one revolution of this cam will equal one revolution of the crankshaft. The mechanical gearing of the oil pump has been engineered to provide the oil pressure they deemed adequate.. if it is not providing enough or pressure that idol that’s because it was designed that way or has had a failure.
@@av8rsandy Because one turn of the camshaft completes the valve operation for an entire cycle of the engine and the four-stroke-cycle engine makes two crankshaft revolutions to complete one cycle, the camshaft turns half as fast as the crankshaft. That's the encyclopedia Britannica answer, the cam is half as fast as the crank so it provides half as much pressure as the crank would without some sort of clutch on the oil pump thus making it a stupid design.
It is the manufactures problem's what is a guy supposed to do when you need a new truck . Me i am still driving my 1st new truck i had 93 Dodge Cummins 4x4
“4% that probably breaks down to about one in 300-400”
My man you should have paid more attention in math. 🤦♂️
🤣🤣Only one person here who has failed at math, and that's you. 4% of 100 would be 4. Four percent. Of 10,000 would be 400. 4% of 100,000. Would be 4000 vehicles? Yeah. We know that Ford has made more than that, probably in the realm of 250,000 of these. So that means they'll have somewhere in the area of 15,000 failures. And that's just for one issue. You may need further math to help you understand Ford. Never build an engine that had less than a 4% failure rate. Do you remember the Triton engines? Or the 6.0 powerstroke and the 6.4 powerstroke? And all of the the ecoboosts, except for the 3.5, are failing under 100,000 miles. I pray every Ford owner on this. Forum keeps buying Fords because I fix them!😂😂😂😂$$$$
He's got to justify buying a known pos. Why else do you do that.
The math really ain't mathing with his statement.
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I just rolled over 50k on my 21 7.3 and zero issues. It's been a great truck all around so far
Same. 46k. No issues. Love the motor.
I got 45k good so far so good.
Ordered my truck Nov 2019, 1st year Tremor for KR ,1st year 10spd, 1st year 7.3 33km. Service her 5k syn, oils no issues to date, great truck, to date.
Heck yeah! Thanks for posting
Proper oil maintenance does not prevent the metal delaminating failure- it’s bad metallurgy.
So if Ford replaces your bad engine at 31000, who pays for your second engine at 62000 miles?
Well, I'd say if your in the .2% that gets a bad one in the first 30 and you lose another at 60 and didn't catch the oil giving you hints, if say those are crazy bad odds and someone would have to pay better attention...
Or...here is a crazy ideea: manufacturers could just make decent cars that you can actually use as a tool and not worry all the time about how you can make it last at least 70-80 k miles. Nobody blames the brands for charging a ton of money for a shit product because they don't want to look poor or unknowing. If I was a Ford exec I would say build another one, call it the T REX, it costs 20k more and is 2x times less reliable....people will buy it like crazy, they would fail and users would blame themselves instead of us :))
@@dragos-ioancraciun9810 Continue taking the bus dude
If it was bad metallurgy they would all be failing
My ‘21 7.3 developed a significant oil leak from the front main seal at 15,000 miles. Ford replaced it and extended my warranty for free to 75,000 miles. I’m hauling a heavy truck camper and averaging 11.5 MPG. Aside from a few minor issues over the last 30 years, all my personal and work Ford trucks/vans have been very reliable for me.
Thanks for posting good info.
LOL. One thing I'd learned about ford guys, is When you ask them what high mileage is, they come back. They come back with 150,000 as a number, compared to us dodge guys. And I'm talking gasoline engines, Hemi. When you ask me what high mileage is, I say, 350,000. Miles which is what's on my 2004 Durango now. It's never had any work done. Except the water pump, of course. Every Ford made needs a An oil pump phasers. And timing chain replaced at 150,000 miles. And you couldn't get it done for less than. 35 to $4500.
I’ve had Ford trucks for 50+ years between my Dad and I! I’ve been very happy until my 01 diesel lost injectors at 60k and never ran right after replacement! My daughters 06 6.0 diesel was a total fiasco so I turn to 7.3 Godzilla, so we see the next saga! So far at 23k so good! Under extended warranty so leter rip!
@@timsimpkins3284 Hey, I have friends who are Fraud owners, and they've always been loyal for guys. None of them will. Will drive them past warranty. Because they both have. And spent.$5000 to repair the engine, only to sell the vehicle. So now their warranty drivers. Ford is Just one of those brands you don't drive without a warranty. My niece bought an ego boost. Didn't listen to me. And the engine blew up at 108K and And she couldn't afford to pay for a new Or even rebuilt engine at $12,000 She claimed bankruptcy to get out of that $45,000 vehicle. She is now driving a Dodge. That she bought used with 150,000 miles on a hemi engine. Like mine in my durango, which has 350,000 miles on it, she has nothing to worry about.
@@timsimpkins3284 It's a great engine. After my oil leak was fixed I haven't had any issues. Hauls my 4000 pound camper very well. Average 11mpg.
Improper valve lash or valve float can cause the same issue. If the lifter is leaving contract with the cam roller at any point, the valve spring slams the lifter back into the cam and is basically hammering the roller into the cam. This could also be a oil pressure issue, the Godzilla has a variable oil pump. The gauge on the dash is basically an idiot light that trips at 8psi. The loss of oil pressure at higher rpm will effect the backlash. I am not 100% convinced that is a lifter or cam materials problem
After reading your comment I agree
The conditions you described are called palling. For delamination to occur, a lamination needs to be present and that's a material defect.
I think the majority of vehicles with this issue had some lower oil pressure programming problem and not a bad batch of cam and lifters. Those parts are on all the vehicles.
I'll stick with my 6.2. We have 4 work trucks in the logging business with 6.2's in them no issues and they are ran hard every day loaded to the max
Yup and they use a ton of 6.2s down here in Texas in the oil field. And who knows how they treat those trucks
Same. I've put 300k on a couple 6.2s. damn good engine.
this is the last year of the 6.2 next year their going to 6.8
Yeah, you literally have one of the only two engines, and the other being the 5.0, which are any good that Ford has built in the last 25 years. They should have stuck with. The 6.2. Far better engine. And all of the parts were made years ago from. From good stock. Unlike the brand new 7.3, which is sourced exclusively from Chinese garbage.
My 6.2L in my Raptor is a great runner, nearing 200K miles
I’m glad you’re sayin all this. Every manufacturer has these issues! I’m a new fan of your vids man. You speak truths. I’m not a fan of Ford only because of my issues during the triton era (against my family’s judgment)… but I like these 7.3s. I currently own a 5.3 Chevy right now from a family of GM owners… since the 60s. It also had lifter issues in its past. I have zero issues, zero transmission issues, zero oil burning issues. So yeah. It’s the few out there that have issues that scream the loudest.
When you compare the oil changes and other maintenances that come with a diesel, any savings in fuel mileage is lost in maintenance. I have several friends that own power strokes and their biggest disappointment was how much more the maintenance. The maintenance on the vehicle is. Than a gasoline vehicle that they previously owned. And I told them, it's going to cost a lot more. And what also comes with that. Powerstroke un-Planned trips to the dealership for Issues, all the time. You will not,Visit the dealership less than five or six times a year. With your truck being left overnight When you own a power stroke, that is a fact!
Ford was the leader of recalls last year. I own 3 Ford's and the newest is a 2014. They've become a 💩 show
Yep, and they produce 2 x more vehicles. But recall campaigns can be from years prior. Don't get me wrong they all have their issues.
They were because GM doesn’t give a crap enough to recall anything unless the government forces their hand.
Ford has billions riding on the success of the 7.3 and it’s little brother. I predict that they’ll do whatever it takes to correct it problem.
I think it's the last two years
@U E can't tell you that. However as I stated in the video, not all parts are made by ford, gm or Ram and so on. With the cam and lifter issue this is something gm and ford have had issues with. On the first run of the 7.3s 20 and 21, those have had the reported issues. Not even all 20 and 21s have the issue. They put this motor in so Many things besides the super duty line...motorhomes, medium duty class b trucks and crate motors. The possibility of getting one of these motors is so low. In addition I have connections with many, many master ford mechanics. Several of which have never seen any issues with the 7.3. Like winning the lotto...chances are 1 in 238473987, but that doesn't stop people from playing. I've had good luck with the 6.0 and the 6.4 diesels. People need a number so they can validate or invalidate their thought process. The odds here are pretty low.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 It's true
Great info. We've had a lot of comments recently on our 7.3 videos about this topic.
Yeah, the possibility of the 7.3 failing is so low, that anyone could have this issue with any car or truck.
I agree with you 100% . Just bought 2022 250 lariat the 7.3. Motor is great and perfect substitute for the diesel. Let's be honest most people that buy the powerstroke don't even tow that much or have ever seen a Construction site.
I have the same truck but F-350. I only tow our 8K travel trailer during camping season around 10 times a year, with a few longer trips each year on vacation. The rest of the time the only thing it's hauling around is me, my wife, dog, and occasional groceries as my daily driver. Diesel would have been way overkill for my needs. Especially considering I live in NW Indiana and live only 12 minutes from work. If i had the diesel, It'd rarely get up to operating temperature and would kill the DPF filter, and I'd be freezing in the winter on my trips to/from work unless I let it idle for a long while to warm up.
I dont see an issue with that, diesels are dope regardless of use
@@niceatrya3477 that’s a very good point that is not often discussed. Many contractors like myself may keep their work to a 20 mile radius, in which case you’re most likely going to have even more emissions (dpf in particular) issues than most owners.
Killer Video 👍👍👍 I just traded in my 2013 cab/chassis 4wd crew cab 6.7 diesel with 100845 miles on it & the cp4 pump failed it cost me 8000.00 and put a new turbo in it sence it was right there,and guess what still had issues maxed out 2 credit cards to pay for it took it to best diesel shop here in AZ they said after 2 weeks they didn't know why it was peaking past the 31900 psi fuel rail pressure,So iv been watching the 7.3 Godzilla and bought a 2022 XLT 4wd Crewcab LOVE THIS TRUCK I only use it when camping to pull my 26ft cbb dune sport toyhauler weight is 13500,I abused it with 47 miles on it to see what it would do up a big long 7° hill THE TRUTH THE TRUCK BLEW ME AWAY
ILL NEVER OWN ANOTHER DIESEL ESPECIALLY A 6.7
Where did u buy your puck system hitch I also need to install 1
Thanks for checking it out. It seems a lot of people don't know that the fuel pump and the turbo can be so costly, that if they go, I'd hope that they were the only thing to go and not damage the motor, but that is expensive as heck. I found the hitch at Brighton Ford. As of a month ago, the Ford OEM one allegedly on back order. However, calling around I found one at Brighton Ford and several at Loveland Ford. Sorry to hear you had to dump that kind of money into the Diesel, but congrats on the Zilla!
We have had two valve train issues at work both around 18,000 km and they both had to be completely rebuilt. Initially the dealer was dragging their feet… we found out it was actually Ford saying there was no problem. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Dang, sorry to hear that, did your truck get back up and rolling? Or did you move forward to a different rig?
Yeah, you're one of those customers that's going to learn. They don't give a crap about you if you. You knew how many failed engines Ford has built in the last 25 years. You would run. Don't do it! you will get burned at some point. You've been lucky so far. If you get out without spending thousands out of your own pocket. And when you think a problem is repaired, I promise you you don't know Ford warranty. They will fix half of what's necessary. Only for you to come back three years later to get the rest fixed that has now failed. That's how they do it. Even under warranty, you lose use of that vehicle for months.
21k here on my 250 with the 7.3. no problems yet, towed a U-Haul when I moved, and have hauled gravel and compost in the bed alot, maxing out payload capacity.
Yep. I'm in the ambulance fleet business. Had one go down with this issue at 30k miles. New engine under warranty. Scary thing is I've got ten more E450 Superduty chassis on order with the 7.3. Hope they fix it by then.
I think and hope it will be fine.
Hey, you don't know the half of it? have you ever heard of powerstroke. Help. On youtube. That's a real channel. Back in the day, when Ford was building. The 6.0 and the 6.4 powerstroke engines. They were in ambulance as well, and people died, many on their way to the hospital. And some. And some the ambulance never arrived, LOL, because of those garbage power stroke engines. It cost Ford 10s of 1,000,000 for those lawsuits alone. Then there was the multibillion dollar recall on those engines. And then Ford built the Triton engine. Which was a POS? On the next engine after that, had cam phasers and timing chain failures and timing guide chain failures, intention or failures. So essentially, every motor that Ford has ever built, including all the new eco boosts, are failing. The only engine that's marginally decent in the egoboost is a 3/5, and the coyote. Unkillable. The only engine Ford ever built that's worth It's salt
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@@AmericanSurvival001 Why is it Americans are unable to build a decent truck engine . Ambulances should be all based on Toyotas to keep people from dying .
This guy should have all the answers by now. Oil pump related?
Only reason Ford is the best selling truck is because they separate Chevys and GMC’s sales lol.
Also GM and Ram only count truck sales up to 3500s and 4500s and up are considered commercial. Ford counts their f150-f750 as all truck sales.
Oh kiddos can’t bet the best so you try and find reasons to bring them down. 😂
@@neooverby3750 haha hardly. Fords been a piece of shit for decades. 6.0 was a failure, so was its successor, the 6.4. The 5.4 triton 3 valve was garbage as well.
@@michaellarrick8881 I had a 5.4, can confirm.
@@MrEli204 😂😂. The v10 Was solid though
Hey brother, I just brought a 7.3 home from the dealership. Used w 22K miles, I’m going to not worry about it and bought a 100k mile warranty just to cover myself. Thanks for the common sense videos! I’m going to be in the 499 that have no problem! Thanks again!
Tim
Absolutely 💯....enjoy that truck and a warranty is always a good idea if it fits the budget....keep us posted and congrats on the truck.
Yeah, all of us know just saying it out loud. We'll certainly stop the problem. LOL. And the reason you bought your vehicle used is because they might have already fixed the problem on that vehicle, but they didn't fix all the problems. Ford is? Ridiculous that way. They will only fix the failed lifters and leave the rest in the engine. That's how dumb they are. They would rather pull it apart twice. Or three times, then do it right the first time and replace all the roller rockers. And remember, that's just one issue. You still own a Ford at the end of the day, and Ford is proven they cannot build an engine.
My grandfather told me once vehicle warranties aren't worth the paper they are written on....that played out to be true on my truck. Ford didn't cover anything on my truck, new turbo and lots of engine work and they covered none of it!!!
Lot of times those additional warranties say they'll replace motor, but when it comes down to it they will not and do not. Buyer beware.
I am thinking of getting one in a couple of years when I retire. I bought a 2004 ram 3500 diesel in 2006 for $19,000. I mostly pull livestock trailers in Colorado so I don’t drive to fast so it’s been a good truck. I was offered $35,000 for it last summer but what now can replace it? In 200,000 miles I put on two alternators and a water pump. I had a 2017 ram 3500 diesel and put a 105,000 miles on it. Had 3 timing cover leaks, complete rear end and a cp3 all covered by warranty. The rear end and the cp3 were replace at 99,000 miles
Nephew just experienced this very problem with his truck (2021 7.3) he is fighting with Ford right now, Ford is saying he didn't maintain the vehicle correctly which is a BS copout, not the first time my nephew has issues with Ford, he had to sue Ford back in 2004 over numerous issues with his F150he bought new, they settled and bought the truck back, the truck spent 6 months out of the 14 months he owned it at the dealer,
And then he bought another Ford, lol slow learner
@@danvesa1182 Thats exactly what i said to him too😆
Hey, your nephew. Will probably buy another Ford in the future. I don't know why people are gluttons for punishment. He will spend$5000 out of his own pocket to keep a POS Ford running. That US Dodge guys have the same problem. LOL. No, we don't. Any hemi engine. Is bulletproof.
@@danvesa1182 This explains how Joe Biden got elected. Does it not?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AmericanSurvival001 yeah he didn't learn his lesson with the 04 F150. Tried to tell him to buy a dodge ram before he bought the 2021 F350. he's regretting it now
I bought a 2020 F350 7.3 in a Tremor, it ran flawless. I would buy another 7.3 if I needed a heavy duty truck.
I know lots of people that own the 7.3 godzilla and they all love the engine have no issues but sometimes you will get a bad one
I’m glad you brought up the “if your expecting Prius mileage on a heavy duty truck, look into your needs”. I’m still driving my 2002 f250 supercab with 340,000 and really want a new crew cab but so on the fence with a diesel as I don’t need all that awesome power. Been looking hard at a 7.3 gas since they came out. I’m also hard pressed not to just buy another 2002 7.3 diesel crew cab.
Absolutely cost wise if you can find a gem 2002, it may be just as worth it. Literally every forum and blog and complaint board lists the only three problems with the 7.3.....and mpgs is one of them.....kinda funny.....I remember when my 230 inlone 6 in my 63 chevy got about 8....and my 454 getting 2 towing....14 plus is a heaven sent.
People surprised that a massive v8 in a heavy duty truck doesn’t put out super mpg is just silly. I bought mine expecting terrible mpg, and I was not let down. I do giggle a bit when I’m getting 17-18 on the Highway though
Good luck finding a 7.3l in decent shape these days.. for sure there are some cream puffs but they are hard to find and will be $30,000 or more.. I see rough ones with over 200k miles for $15,000+. Great trucks, I have one but no way I’m paying that sort of money they are basically antique trucks at this point lol
Get the 2002
I just bought a diesel. I also still drive my 2002 v10 that drives like new. Have three newer Ford's 2017, and 2 22s. I test drove the 7.3exact same as the 6.7. Went with 6.7
Apparently around 1% of these motors have been failing. This is not out of line with the rest of the automotive industry. The nice thing is it's happening under warranty and Ford is just replacing the entire motor if they find this issue. So you get a brand new motor;)
Will be interesting to see if the problem persists into 2023 and beyond.
I still think it's worth the risk. This motor is built like the old school V8's were built. They are designed to last and were intentionally overbuilt so that they can be rebuilt in the future as well.
TH-cam is interesting. All of a sudden, 7.3L lifter concerns are being broadcast by multiple content creators. The only real failure example(s) seems to be from 'Ford Boss Me', but even he has no actual failure rate numbers to provide. Just he has seen a couple. How many 7.3L engines are out there (2020-2023)? How many failures? What was the usage history of these motors? 7.3L in RV, ChassisCabs seems to be the few I've read about....tune difference? I also read a post by an RV mechanic that says the 7.3L is showing to be very reliable in his experience....
We need more data. Right now, it's just empty drama.
You’re right man. I saw the Ford Boss video the day it came out and ever since I’ve seen a bunch more videos uploaded by other creators. I’m buying a truck soon and still planning to get this motor. Unfortunately none of the truck brands seem to be able to build a totally perfect truck. At some point we will all have to accept that.
Exactly Correct..........all drama and lots of it. Appears to be mostly from Chevrolet and GMC truck loyalists. I watched a YT video the other day......the creator was trashing some of the parts on the 7.3L...the chain driven oil pump. Plenty of comments and posts trashing the same part. Who knows how many tens of thousands of miles or how long in years the chain will last on the oil pump????? All Speculation!!!
When I was a teenager I owned a couple of old Chevrolet trucks...a 1969 C-10 2WD - "Action Line" and a 1978 K-20 4WD "Square Body".....both had 350 V8s and mechanical fuel pumps. Those fuel pumps would fail too.
I tend to think the GM guys are butt hurt that Ford introduced an awesome push rod V8....simple as that. GM engineers cannot build a good 4WD truck. Why? Three reasons listed below.
1. IFS results in more maintenance and poor axle articulation off-road compared to a solid axle.
2. Low Hanging Frame Rails which results in a low stance and poor approach angle, poor breakover angle and poor departure angle. I have seen Chevrolets and GMCs sitting like a teeter totter and stuck on a rounded hump knoll off-road...quite the sight and funny.
3. Angle - Square - Rectangle shaped wheel well opening for a round rim and tire...absolutely stupid design for a 4WD truck. Difficult to Impossible to install larger diameter tires without sacrificing "center of gravity" via higher required suspension lifts compared to Ford and Dodge 4WD trucks.
Hate this is happening to the low percentage. Haven't had any issues with mines at almost 15,000 miles. I just hope it doesn't happen to anyone who's warranty have ran out.
455 cubes. Diesel cost not an option I chose. So far my 7.3 is fine. Drain plugs are magnetic I think, so there shouldn’t be any glitter in oil
Truly I think the biggest contributing factor here is Ford and the OLM say you can go 10K miles between oil changes. That’s complete horse crap! The two 7.3 engines I’ve seen here on youtube have been with chassis cab units so who knows how many idle hours were on the oil? I change my oil religiously at 3K intervals using a quality synthetic. Is it overkill? Maybe but I’m 57 & have been changing oil since I was 15. Nothing I’ve ever owned in all my years has never had a engine lubrication issue Ever! Oil is cheap compared to replacing a engine! My 2021 F-350 7.3 has 16K miles so far & runs like new!
16k is new what are you talking about
@@OShackHennessy Is he supposed to put an extra 100,000 miles on his truck to please you and give you more evidence? The guy just told his 7.3 story that he has experienced, and that’s all. I have 400 miles on mine and mine runs like new too. Lol
@@cliffordmontana4562 No I could care less how many miles he puts on his vehicle but I’m not sure why you would say you’ve got 16k and it runs like new. It is in fact still “new” so don’t know what that proves. The OP actually brings up a great points but that last sentence is rather useless.
Yup , and to add Motorcraft oil filters are not very good .
Do your research it's not an oil issue
Amsoil is the only lubricant that should be used in these engines. Chevy 350s have gone a million miles running Amsoil, while all bearings remained in spec and you could still see the cross hatch on the cylinder walls. Not all oils are created equal, and if there are "wear" issues in these engines or any risk of, I would definitely be running the best. Also, put a Gold Plug magnetic drain plug in that bad boy.
I was excited when this engine came out, and was a more powerful replacement of the Triton V-10. The only thing I was worried about was will the Godzilla be as reliable and durable as the Triton V-10 which is just about bullet proof.
I think time will tell...we have v10s at work and the power is night and day difference.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 i haven't driven a 7.3 but that's exactly what I have heard.
Have 522k on my 2v
@@D4x4Bronc i believe it. They're absolute work horses
th-cam.com/video/EKltqRirBvg/w-d-xo.html
It's sad, that Ford can't make a simple push rod engine
Oh, they have what are you talking about? The 6.2 and the 5.0., are you talking about the other dozen engines they built that are no good? LOL. Yeah, Ford. Burns customer after customer and his. Made RAM the second best selling Truck because the handy engines don't break. There's few issues, but I have one with 350,000 miles on it. And my first one, I put 500,000 miles on it and gave it away to a nephew. I would never drive a Ford without a Warranty. Even their cars, the Ford Focus, was garbage. 40,000 mile car needed a transmission rebuild., and on and on and on about Ford's failures. I could go all day
@AmericanSurvival001 they discontinued the one decent platform they had, panther.
Nothing simple about Godzilla...or any other modern engine. Just saying...
They did, wayyyy back when
@@biz4twobiz463 you must be retarded … and have 0 knowledge on engines
The GM issue is quite a bit different and still a problem. Their active fuel management lifters collapse.
Hopefully fords issue is just a bad batch of cams.
Yep my friend just had it happen to him 9 grand to fix
It's a ford. Look at thier mod motor. They never fixed its issues. Just keep selling known bad engines. They did it with the 6.0 and 6.4 diesels also. They will push this garbage as long as they can. and then build something else just as bad.
The difference is, GM will deny an issue to the bitter end. I drove GMs for 30+ years but I’ll never own another one, especially built after about 2007-2008. They’re dumpster fires of unreliability.
@@LayzeeGiant I think the problem is with the customer or what he did. Or with the dealership.
@@Patriot-pq1ku I suspect something is off.
Ford tech here. We are starting to see these come in with the same problem. in box trucks too. well maintained and its happening between 30k-40k miles. havent seen one with 2k do it your the first ive seen do it. But it is a on going issues. The motor isnt bad and its not lack of maintenance so you did nothing wrong. Its the same GM design where they are having lifter failure. Only these arent collapsing. They are delaminating and the cam is delaminating and it starts to pit.
Are there any high quality aftermarket cams available for the 7.3L? I would guess so, because the 7.3L is already being swapped in several different vehicles. I should check the Livernois Motorsports website. Actually, I want to swap a 7.3L and 6R140 into an older Ford Excursion sometime in the future.
@@15Jeep I'm sure there is. That website you mentioned would be one of the first places I check.
@@15Jeep yeah texas speed has lifters and cams for the new 7.3. I think their in the ballpark of 600hp&600 lb ft cam only too
Ford will eventually fix this issue but they have to find all the flaws first. You are part of that process. Toyota for example actually tests their products before selling them. That is why it takes so long for their new products to arrive for sale. The real bummer is when Ford changes the engine that will show up on CarFax and that detracts from its value. Ford diesels have a CP4 and that is a whole other subject.
I am a retired mechanic and have seen a lot Ford has always been this way and I will never touch one.
#1 in recalls again.
Yeah. The difference is Ford fixes all the problems on their vehicles. And the flaws using the customers And I promise you, Ford will leave you hanging out to dry if you went over an oil change by 1000 miles. Which literally would mean nothing. But if it's recorded on your. Vehicle computer. They will send you a packing. I would never buy a Ford ever again
I talked with a rancher back when chevy had the big gas motor and duramax. He was from Wyoming and towed a stock trailer in the hills. He had both trucks and i asked which one did he like the best. To my surprise, he said hands down that he liked the big gas motor over his Duramax.
I'm not surpised either...I loved my 8.1 chevy gas. Thanks for posting
How long do you idle and how frequent are your oil changes?
It's not just ford having these issues!The Chrysler hemi and 3.6 as well as GM LS engines have the the same widespread problem.Chrysler has class action suits against them it's so bad as does GM.Its not the design of the engines it's the parts!When you put junk parts in from China then your going to see what were seeing.The hemi in my 2017 Ram came apart at 36k miles because either the lifters or rocker arms disintegrated and then took the cam out.They couldn't tell what the initial cause was because they have common failures with cams,lifters and rockers.Get rid of the chinese parts and they will last just fine!
I really like your point it can be really educational to the uneducated, I am a Ford dealership technician and what's funny is my primary repairs are Ford vehicle's primarily trucks "But" 50% of the time I work on Chevrolet and Dodge trucks and some cars The LS, never get tired of swapping them out with less than 150k miles but I've seen some upward toward 350k but not often, the Hemi not so much they get swapped out just north of 150k not bad but not epic and the 4.7 Magnum forget about it, 2 6.2 Boss engine's From Fleet vehicle's with over 250k, 3 Coyote's warranty, 4 Ecoboost warranty, no Godzillas yet and we sale a lot of trucks, been at the dealership 18 years with that being said if we didn't take in the other brands we'd be out of business, my biggest thing about Chevy guy's is they over shadow the great sbc 350 with the LS I'm a car guy but I drive Fords like I stole them from my 300 I6 F-150 330k to my 210k 5.0 Coyote and my life has been comfortable with them and yes we repair many other brands and diesel pick-ups from the big three
That's great info, thanks for posting. That i6 from ford has to be one of the best motors they ever made, 351....was also great. And the chevy 350 probably the best gm v8 to date.
They all have issues, I'm a Ram guy , I own two 6.7 Cummins trucks and a Hemi truck. My 5.7 does not have the Hemi tick and is so far free of the cam and lifter failures. It has 130k. The dipstick issue with the new Rams is the 68rfe by the way not the Cummins.
I’m glad you consider the issues logically instead of just making a hype video one way or the other
This is a hype video...
21 F250 XLT Crew 4:30 with 21k on it so far. Daily drive 13 mpg and occasional tow TT 10k average 9mpg. No issues. I hope to drive this for 10years!
Do not abuse your ford, there is a f550 6.7 diesel in case you need more power. I have a 7.3 gas on my garage ,use my f250 to get groceries only!!!
4% is definitely NOT 1 in 300-400.
4% is 4 in 100
Thank you
OR, 16 in 400. OR 40 in 1000. And so on and so fourth. PS, I love the 10 cylinder.
Long live my old 7.3 PS diesel 203k miles and no cam or lifter problems. No oil usage or oil leaks. It's been tuned for pulling a RV. What's going to happen when all those new gas and diesel trucks are out of warranty and people can't afford to fix them ?
I have many of these in a bus fleet. They get the absolute HELL driven out of them. 200+ miles per day, every day. Abused, etc. NONE of them have any failures what so ever. NONE! The only issue that I have had.. they love to have failures of the sparkplug wires due to heat likely due to our vehicles having extended times of idlleing. Other than that.. these are a beast! If you killed one of these, you did something you shouldn't have! and I bet honestly you know what it was!
Lee Iacocca Once stated design and hype sells vehicles Its the quality that brings them back ! FORD just can't get anything right any more
About 21K on my '22. So far so good but if it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. I reckon time will tell.
It's not that you have bad luck. It's that you buy Fords. If you just did a little research over the past 25 years and found out how many failed engine architecture, Ford has built, you would never buy a car or a truck built by Ford. Now, if you're old enough to know better than you deserve everything you get. Hope is not a strategy. And it won't keep your. Keep your credit card with a 0 balance either.😂😂
@@AmericanSurvival001 Funny, the other Fords I've owned over the last 30 years have been more reliable than the GM and Dodge that I've had.
@@bryanthornton6787 You're a Ford Guy why would you be driving a Dodge or a GM? Some of us are contractors and have owned the other brands and know better, LOL. To the tune of dozens and dozens of Trucks In 20 years. The powerstroke and the duramax cannot compete when pulling loads. Neither one of them will tow heavy. And do better than 10 miles to the gallon, maximum. The Cummins will tow all day long. At 13 1/2 miles per gallon. The two extra cylinders on those V8S drink fuel. This is why all semi trucks run straight 6. Motors in case you're wondering. And if you've owned any powerstroke, Triton engine. Or ecoboost, then you've repaired them. There is not a Ford made that doesn't require cam. Timing chain and timing chain guides on any model after 2005.
@@AmericanSurvival001You may be a contractor, but you can't read.
@@bryanthornton6787 Yeah, I might have missed something somewhere, but I still have my wallet, and it's full, LOL.
Did you have failure or not? How many miles is on this truck or did you buy one someone dumped.
There is nothing to argue about when it comes to V8 mpg. I've had my 02 ram v8, drove it 4 20yrs ,and now I have f250 2022 7.3 V8. I didn't expect to get 36mpg. All I want is what this beast can do to haul my toys, that is, it I love my V8 if they wanna save gas get a 4cyl. 4 sure they will save gas.
Everyone is taking about this. I wonder if Ford is going to address this. I’m still going to buy a new truck with the 7.3. All cars have issues.
You know Ford is closely watching the data to determine if it’s a bad batch of parts and let it run its course with replacing engines, or if it’s a major issue and it will cost less for them to proactively replace parts to avoid replacing engines. They are always watching the data and running the numbers, risk motivation to avoid the biggest loss scenario. Most are going 35-45k miles, so its warranty work which they care about
Ford and GM are still trying to fix trucks with problems with their valves and their lifters from 2014 and they haven't called it so don't say oh if it wasn't a problem they'd be calling it no they wouldn't they'd rather pay the fine
Its just a cam. Thy will put a new one in there no problem. My F450 has 55K miles on it no issues. I love it. Some say idling is not good due to variable oil pressure. I only idle at start up and use mobile1 exclusively every 5k.
Sucks for people who don’t drive much.. I only put about 7,000 miles a year on my truck so I could be out of warranty before hitting 40,000 miles.. expiring after 5 years is lame and not just a Ford thing tbf.. a 60,000 mile warranty should be good until you hit 60k miles even if it takes you 8 or 9 years. Blah blah “extended warranty” I shouldn’t have to pay more just to protect myself from a bad part.
Yep, and I'd suggest to wait until 32k before buying a factory extended warranty. Technically you can buy one up to the 60k. So you wouldn't lose anything, but sometimes that's the price of peace of mind. At that low of miles per year, paying 10k for a diesel option, yous be in the same boat. You'd year out, but thw costs of repair are ten fold. And still you'd only get 5 year 100k.
They can taylor thw warranties to cover more years then miles. I didn't buy a warranty extension. I think this motor will be great
im going to buy this motor for a drag car in Australia, i think it will rip in a AU Falcon. McFlurry is insane with the Godzila in it
I have a New Edge mustang I’m thinking about sticking one in! Here in America I can get the whole drive train, trans, engine, PCM for $8500 ready to go. That’s cheap for everything most engines cost that much here.
@@tammyforbes2101 for me here in Aus a Long crate motor is $15,600
I really like your realistic real world views. No car is perfect. I have an f150 5.0.
Thanks for that.
It's not the failure that sours the milk it's when the dealer tells you "NO ETA" on your repair or "WAITING PARTS".
Owning a Ford of late, is like playing Russian roulette with their new motors. I gave up on them 18 years ago. If it wasn't such a known issue, I'd swear some of you guys are a gluten for punishment. It has been a known issue for more than a year. 😨
💯 owned 16 Ford's always giving one more chance. Bought my first Chevy truck it's now 20 years old never going back.
Dude, LOL. Aren't you amazed that people will keep fixing a power. Stroke diesel to the tune of 15 or $20,000 / a 10 year time. And think that it's normal! and that it was a good deal.???. Meanwhile, you and I drive vehicles for 350,000 miles, and have zero problems. I've come to think human beings can be conditioned. And it's mostly by their own bias. And then look you in the eye. I'd say that's just. That's just normal. LOL. No! it's not. I've driven half a dozen dodge vehicles in my 55 years, and none of them have had engine failures of any kind. And I've put no less than 300,000 miles on any of them. And have 100,000. On my first. 1993 Dodge. 1500 with a 360 engine. Yeah, it went a half a million miles before it gave it to my nephew. I was tired of driving it.
I don’t wanna brag but my 6.7 just keeps working and working. These new gassers are for the guys who think it will perform the same.
well other than the spark plug wire issue at 57,250 miles no issues love my truck
I will stick with my ram 1500 5.7 hemi
Dude, you. Realize that engine will go 500,000 miles. Yep, I have 350,000 on my. 2004, Durango and I. And I put a water pump on it. It still has the original starter. Nothing's more reliable than Dodge Chrysler. Anybody who switched from Ford to RAM or Chrysler knows this. And anybody who switches over to Ford always comes back. LOL.
everyone talking about the 7.3 but chevy has been using the same engines for years and are still having constant issues with cam and lifters
Absolutely 💯
@@automotiveinquiries9673 Wrong. GM has some issues but not at a high percentage.
I am just curious to where you got the “The General 7.3” decals? I have a 2022 F250 with the 7.3, I only have 2500 miles, but so far I am very impressed with absolutely no buyer’s remorse. I bought it to mainly pull my travel trailer and a sometimes daily driver. Thanks for your video content!
Absolutely 💯, glad you dig the 7.3. I name all my trucks. This one I called the general. I got them custom made eat vinyl status, you can choose style color font and wording, they were about 8 bucks each, and I 5 year vinyl.
$80,000 trucks? NO THANKS.
I agree.....I wish I had a different addiction
On my diesel I send an oil sample to be checked wear metals, fuel and water. Can do the same for the gas engines. This would catch wear metals earlier than you can see them.
6.0 vortec and the 5.3 vortec were the only solid no issue motors. I have a 2017 3500 drw chevy ltz with the 6.0 vortec with 45k care free miles. And I have a 2001 1500 chevy lt z71 with 245k miles and knock on wood, only put a new radiator and water pump in it and it has all original drive train ball joints and all the other parts also. I took it to a shop and they could not believe at 245k it has all original suspension. But they checked it and said it was all solid.
Wish that were true.
I have the 5.3, replaced the engine due to bad heads (Castech head problems, check it out. The heads seaped coolant into the oil.)
Replaced the engine with a GM crate engine.
Guess what, it came with a bad head.
Dealership rebuilt the engine, no issues since.
5.3 is a great engine, no doubt the 7.3 is too. A great design is still subject to getting cheap in the wrong places. I hope Ford gets this straightened out quickly, customers treated right, and the 7.3 becomes what it was meant to be.
As for GM.
The dealership treated me well. GM did not. When contacted by GM, I was asked how many GM vehicles I had owned. I wasnt ready for that question, and answered this was my second. After the call, I realized that it was 4 (I had owned a 71 and 68 pickup when much younger, great trucks). I had hoped to stay with GM. The way I was treated by GM guaranteed I will never own another. The dealership was great, wish they were a Ford dealer!
GM must have felt I wasn't coming back, so made no effort. They guaranteed that.
You are not completely correct regarding the GM 5.3L Vortec engine. Several production years were good, but a few production years...bad engine.
The GM Generation IV 5.3L V8 Vortec 5300 LC9 gasoline engine exhibited abnormal oil consumption that exceeds industry standards. The excessive consumption lead to a lack of proper engine lubrication, resulting in internal engine damage...and failure. Big lawsuit over it.
And the GM 8L90 (8 speed) transmission was a complete failure.......a total piece of junk! Gigantic lawsuit over it.
Just sharing my experiences. Sadly, I've met others with the same problem.
The 5.3 is a great engine, no different than the 7.3 will become. Both have their initial problems, hopefully Ford won't dump it on the consumer. GM did. Time will tell.
3 out of 4 heads....with the "new" GM engine coming with a bad head. Says quite a bit.
The dealership was awesome, wish they were a Ford dealership!
Yeah I can only speak for everyone I know that have the 2001 5.3 and all of them have upwards of 400k on there 5.3, mine is the 245k but still strong. But I have spoke to everyone that has had the 6.0 vortec from early years on up to new years. My septic buddy had a older year 6.0 vortec and tried to kill it but couldn't, then my other buddy abused his 6.0 vortecs from old to new with nothing but heavy dump trailer loads everyday and still got upwards of 400k out of the motor.
But as everyone has said some come with cheap parts and get the bad luck of the draw.
Decades ago a simple fix for every problem encountered with Ford, GM and Ram trucks. They’re called Toyotas 😊
Much appreciation on this video, thankful for your very logical and diplomatic view on this subject, I’ve been seeing some of those very gripes about this motors issues, but I ve seen some techs that echoed what you said, concerning the run of the 7.3s that had that had valve train issues. I’ve been considering a 7.3 regular cab 4x4 f250 STX I spotted on a lot 2 was ago. Still on the fence about it but I’ve definitely not having unrealistic expectations on fuel mileage and this strikes me as a motor that’ll be a bit more sensitive to owners maintenance , requiring careful attention. But many of these manufacturers definitely are having their share of issues, thanx for sharing man👍🏽
Absolutely 💯
I'm thinking about getting a 2023 F350 and using it to pull a travel trailer for 6-8 months a year what do you recommend? Thank you
After having all three over this last year, the chevy HD teucks are rhe best towing truck out there. The Godzilla is excellent also. If the trailer is under 17k, me personally I'd do the 7.3 zilla or the 6.6 l8T. The ford has the softest seats of the big three, but for me I found the former seats in the chevy great because the ride was better. I drive ford's all day at work and I think they are great. We have powerstrokes and they are beasts, but with the regens, it's not fun. If your over 18k and you can spring for the diesel, I think between 18k and 20k it's a toss up. Over 20k lbs, the gasser would be maxed and diesel is probably a better choice. On the other side, if you'll be using the truck when you aren't towing as your run around truck, that will be bad for any diesel, and in the long run the gas truck makes more sense again. Anything towed under 12k, I'd also say gas no matter what. The zilla was really good on gas (in my opinion) , and was just a joy to drive over the powerstroke. And here diesel is back up 1 to 1.50 a gallon more. I think the failure rate of the zilla is low enough, and it is a great looking rig. I'd say you'll be towing enough days out of the year. That diesel may make sense, but I'd base it also on weight. Lighter trailers, gasser all day. Hope that helped.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 awesome! Thank you
I'm a big man I find the GM seats to be very uncomfortable they cut into my hip especially my left side I hear Ford and Ram have the .most comfortable seats
@johnnorvaisas ford is the best seat for sure. Ram is second in firmness. Gm is the hardest seat of the three.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 yeah unfortunately because I found some really good deals on Chevy and GM trucks but I have very bad back issues
Guarantee that it'd more like 1 in every 100 or less I have 8 of these in my fleet all got brand spanking new and within a year and a half or so they all had these problems every single one . And good luck finding the parts
Nice Video Quality; poor math.
My 7.3 L is still fine after 157,000 miles and 23 years.
There is nothing wrong with it!
Obviously I have the older 7.3L Turbo Diesel :D
International diesel, ford engines are junk
There are naysayers everywhere. I have a Cummins V8, many people on forums don’t like it, I’ve had good luck with mine so far.
Im looking to get a used 2021 7.3 with 50k miles or a 2023 silverado 6.6 with about the same miles. It will be through carmax with their maxcare extended warranty 5yr/150k miles. I would like to get one of these trucks by this week
I'd say go with the one that is the most comfortable for you. The 23 chevy with the gas will have the 6spd vs 24s have the allison 10. If you find both to be comfortable, I will still stand by that the gm trucks are a little more stable towing especially up near the max tow ability. If the warranty is good and covers any mechanical failures then you would be covered if there is an issue. I'd also make sure, if you like to do your own maintenance, that the warranty requires you to do service there all the time. Congrats ahead of time on the new rig and safe travels.
15,500 miles on 2022 F150 2.7 STX. Burned up the 10-speed tonight. Dealer had reflashed it at 10,000 miles. As soon as it's drivable again it's getting traded. Ford has MAJOR issues right now with a lot lot of different things. Buyer beware.
Those odds really suck. Hope they have solved this for 2023. My warranty will expire on time before miles…
For ford to have the issues it's .2% chance, so pretty low odds.
There's an old saying, and it goes back 25 years. Don't drive a Ford without a warranty. You're. Off to sell that truck and. And go buy another used low mileage Ford if you got to drive a Ford and suffer. Rather than by any gasoline dodge with a hemi in it that will run 350,000 miles. Before you even change the water pump.
350k before water pump? Doubtful. I'm on #3 in wife's Jeep with 5.7 Hemi at 120k miles.
The Duke says, it's not the motor that is the problem, it is the quality of the parts. Ford and other manufacturers are getting substandard camshafts and lifters from overseas. It has nothing to do with the quality of the oil or how often you change the oil. I say this because there are many engine builders on TH-cam that put together motors who are experiencing the same problems.
For example they are using Comp cams parts and they are failing immediately. One engine builder called one of the camshaft companies and they tell him they are no longer going to offer a warranty for their camshafts until they figure this out. Blame Ford RAM and Chevy all you want. It is not their doing. Bad parts equals a bad motor. Needless to say the manufacturers should warranty this debacle.
What did I teach you?
I work for the state and I service a fleet of e450s we just got 20 of these motors in our new bus’s 6 had to go to the dealership for cam and lifter jobs one needed a block 😅
They just recently got rid of the only motor that had me considering ford at all the 6.2 was fairly decent at reliability and now I don’t think there’s any truck manufacture now who’s new motor isn’t complete crap I swear when the govt started tightening leashes on what they manufactures can use engine reliability/quality has gone way down all for “more efficient” bs the more vehicles break the more parts at going in the trash is all it’s doing taking away one problem causing a new one
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The 10 speed problems are far more of an issue than the 7.3 cam/lifter issue.
If idiots at ford quit making small blocks trying to perform like big block .... just bring back 390 and 460 real big blocks problem solved
Now my 1997 7.3 Diesel manual transmission 400k no issues i have others no issues
Our 7.3 gasser I use Delo 10 30 syn oil plus zinc additives no issues at 33 k plus I use marvel mystery oil in fuel everything helps
I have been saving money for one of these trucks for the last 4 years, if it fails on me I will go nuts. these are stupid expensive trucks so it better last forever!
I agree with you on that!
Is there any info as to a time frame when Ford stopped installing the cams/lifters in question? 1 in 500 doesn't sound like a supplier QC issue or raw material issue. . . Is it just luck of the draw with these? What's causing. . Or the root cause of the delam?
I'm not an engine guy. . Or a metallurgist. . . Just a guy trying to buy a truck that's gonna make it 250k
Buy old, something with no rust, no nanny feature and go thru it. I don't need a big truck so I bought another 2011 ranger. I know these trucks work end of lifecycle and they are so simple. Works for my needs. It's not just the motors it's all the nanny shit that can break.
If you want a 250,000 mile engine, buy a ram with 6.7 diesel or 6.4 gas, they'll both go farther than that.
"You won't have to pay for that motor", do they restart your power train warranty for the new engine?
They will extend the motor longer, not the entire powertrain, if it happens.
At least it's under warranty 👏👏👏👏👏👏✌️✌️
I don't see paying 10k more for a diesel engine and the maintenance costs as a benefit. If I were hauling everyday, then it would be a business investment. I only need the power once in a while. Think I'll wait to see if Ford gets this problem solved.
Problem was solved. Search for failures and you only find videos like this where he didn't ever have a failure. He wanted clicks.
So, in the market for used f250. Is it safe to say if they made it passed the 30-40000 range chances are it’s good to go? Or just stay away from the ‘20s altogether?
I'd day you are safe, you'd still have some powertrain left warranty left. But if they would add a aftermarket warranty as part of the negation may give you some.piece of mind. But I wouldn't sweat it. The percentage is .2% that someone/anyone gets one of the motors that has issues
LOL. Ohh. I dare you to buy a Ford. I dare you. LOL. Used new I don't care. You will come to know the people at the dealership by first name. You don't even know the half of it. Research. You'll never drive a Ford. Even a Chevy. Is a better buy. And any Dodge Chrysler product, if you look around on the road, you will see them 30 years old, driving around. Jeeps, Durangos. Mid 90s trucks, all of them, gas and diesel. But you. But you won't find any Fords of the same years. Make me a liar
@@AmericanSurvival001 sorry son, my RAM work truck is a pile…
"4% probably works out to about one in three or four hundred?"
Thats some interesting math you did there. 😂
Could never figure out why people buy first or second year engines especially after 6.0 disaster.
My early 03 6.0 has 310 k
Or the 6.4 or the mod motor or all 4cly ecoboost motor. Or the 3.5 cam phasers or.....
Again, you purchase a gas truck to pull shit with. PURCHASE A DIESEL! That's what a diesel is for, its a work truck, not a pavement princess! Just saying, and I ABSOLUTELY love Ford
I was exited about this engine, but WAAY to many horror stories. My next truck will be the 6.6 GMC. Currently my 2015 6.0 has been bullet proof! 120k and no issues.
I think that's a good engine too. Trying g to get my hands on one so I can compare it for everyone. The few I've test driven pretty good. The 10 speed will be a nice addition.
The company I work for started buying Ford F-250 Diesels in 2008 for me, I pull a trailer 7k lbs.for work every day in western NC. Since 2008 every Ford has sucked. I have a 2017 with the 6.7 Diesel. From 2008 on Ford, ither screws up the main drive line or it has crappie electronics like the 6.7 does. And I have dealer service. Please don’t waste your hard earned money on them. Glad that P.O.S. ant mine!
I quit buying fords after 20 years because of this garbage.
I have been buying a Escalade, Denali or Tahoe for my business vehicle every 3 years for many years and Dodge/Ram diesels as my personal truck. I need to trade my current GM suv for business reasons, but every time I ask a salesman if the GM valve and blown engine issue has been corrected, they ignore the question and change the subject. GM's "known" issue has been frequent enough to have a class action lawsuit. We all know, SHI* happens, but my real problem with GM valve issue is there fix. Many cases they are rebuilding the engine instead of replacing with a crate engine. It would be hard to deal with having a new $90K truck with 3k miles and a rebuilt engine.
I don't bash Ford, never owned one. But have several friends that have owned powerstrokes over the years, have heard their complaints and about the costly shop visits. Not good for Ford when the CEO has made statements that Ford has the most problems, most recalls and most warranty claims of all vehicle manufactures. People may say that's because Fords sales more vehicles, but the ratio to vehicles vs repairs and claims are significant enough for the CEO to address quality issues and make drastic changes within the company.
Most likely, this can be traced to the poor consistency of one specific camshaft induction heating machine. There is a process audit metalurgist at that plant who can point to the exact machine. However, s/he is powerless to do anything about it. The plant manager is a prick big shot who cannot be contacted. I am describing this from first hand experience at a different time and place. And the problem can continue for years! Nothing will be done about it because the plant manager didn’t get into that position by being a nice, open minded and caring person.
On a specific schedule the process audit metalurgist obtains sample camshafts and saw cuts the cam lobes in half. The face of the lobe is polished, revealing the depth and consistency of the hardening process. They write reports. The problem is that management ignores the reports.
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Man, what Ford does to its customers. Shouldn’t have to be concerned with this shit. I had a 6.0 F250 and was lucky to survive.
From information I have seen only 2% of these engines have had the problem. Now if your engine is in this 2% it is 100%. Ford should extend their warranties on these engines
This was hardly ever an issue when we were using metals sourced and made here in the US. I absolutely cannot stand metals sourced from China and other places. Especially China. In class 8 trucks made after 2000 the frames rust to pieces within 1-2 years if not maintained. Trucks made before that time would last decades. Same goes for engine metals.
You are 💯 right. American steel was the best!
This thing is worse than the 6.5L Detroit Diesel from the 90's. The oil pump tied to the timing chain is the problem when the engine slows down the oil pressure drops and the cam and lifters get chewed up. When they redesign the pump the problem will probably clear up. Think of the Windsor Small block or the 385 series big block none of them have a cam driven oil pump in the front. They are crank driven. The camshaft changes speed much more rapidly than the crankshaft does so it doesn't provide the consistent oil pressure an engine needs to keep working.
That's funny you mention the old 6.5. had one not very powerful, but it was a great motor over 150k when I let it go my dad had a 96 with over 250k before the radiator blew and cooked the motor. But that was hummers motor for the h1 and our military....The issue with the 7.3 is not as grand as people think, it's like one in 500 may develop that issue. But good points.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 I thought they redesigned the 6.5 Detroit because of all it's trouble? AM General redesigned the motor as the Optimizer 6500 and that's what's under the hood of a Humvee.
@Andrew Gordon it was tweaked and allegedly re vamped but other than moving the ecm our of the tunnel of the motor, it stayed roughly the same. Before that, the old 6.2....which wad an alright motor also...just had no power...
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the cam does not go proportionally any faster than the crankshaft as the premise of mechanical engineering of this engine is the one revolution of this cam will equal one revolution of the crankshaft. The mechanical gearing of the oil pump has been engineered to provide the oil pressure they deemed adequate.. if it is not providing enough or pressure that idol that’s because it was designed that way or has had a failure.
@@av8rsandy
Because one turn of the camshaft completes the valve operation for an entire cycle of the engine and the four-stroke-cycle engine makes two crankshaft revolutions to complete one cycle, the camshaft turns half as fast as the crankshaft.
That's the encyclopedia Britannica answer, the cam is half as fast as the crank so it provides half as much pressure as the crank would without some sort of clutch on the oil pump thus making it a stupid design.
It is the manufactures problem's what is a guy supposed to do when you need a new truck . Me i am still driving my 1st new truck i had 93 Dodge Cummins 4x4
I just ordered a 24 f250 lariat thanks for the info
Never enough time for companies to test these out before selling to the public, but always enough time to put new engines in. Duhhhhh Ford
Only seeing this with trucks that are beat the fuck out of. Try not redlining it and racing. Its a truck not a drag car.
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