Did Ford Make The New Godzilla Better or Worse? Uncovering Important Changes!
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- Brian Wolfe and REVan Evan dig in and talk about the recent updates to the Ford Godzilla engine. What's better and is anything worse in the current engine.
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Always enjoy hearing Brian talking Godzilla. Great job guys.
As an owner of a Bran Wolf Godzilla, I appreciate the updates and news concerning the Godzilla engine. Looking
forward to meeting you both in the future.
Evan and Brian...job well done. You guys are specifically the go to's regarding the GODZILLA RELATED HIGH PERFORMANCE. Thanks for your time to keep us apprised of such information.
Thank you!
Just see the engine for what it is. I think it’s a great platform and I think want to put one in my bronco. Cletus made some great power. Not everyone is trying to make 1400 hp. Under 1000hp it seems like a good motor and torquey.
Exactly
What year Bronco ? My parents had a 1984/85 Black and Silver,ran nice . A guy I worked for had a F350 with a 460 ,3 speed manual. That truck was a BEAST .I Loved driving that !!! I got up those highway ramps quick 🔥 510 🔥
I like the new video style! Great information as well thanks for the coverage.
Wonder if Bryan has tinkered with 6.8 any? Would like to see someone compare the two!
As always awesome video can't wait for the next one!
Thanks for making these videos, i have a 2022 Godzilla twin turbo in my mustang and love it. Brian gave me some guidance along the way about a year ago. its nice seeing the changes ford makes so we can make better choices while modding our cars. keep up the good work!
What year mustang did you put it in?
@@skiddlyd.244 2005
Hope we will be seeing some information on the CNC Ported heads now listed on Ford Performance Parts?
Thanks for the video... these are good things to know if you are junkyard shopping for projects...
Great video love learning new things about my brand Ford powered forever baby keep up the amazing work fellas l love it
Awesome video REVan..so glad you repercent us Ford FANS.your the best at what you do.. hopefully one of these days I can meet you at a NHRA EVENT.i was at Texas couple weeks ago .that's closes track from where I live in Arkansas about 6 hr drive.use to go to Memphis motorsports park every year it's not but 3 hrs away but nhra stopped going there in 2009
Hi Evan! Hi Brian! Great content. Thanks for sharing this info.
My pleasure!
The advantages of a smart coil are 1) less heat inside the module and 2) potentially less electrical "noise" inside the module.
The "back EMF" (kick back voltage) can be very high and must be "clamped" to prevent damaging other electrical components. When clamped, less energy is released through the secondary windings. Possibly, the external driver allows a higher clamping voltage?
Thanks for the updates!
Good stuff! We have a '23 engine going in our foxbody coupe this week. Got a sub from us!
I wish someone made a high flowing marine exhaust manifold for this motor!
Fantastic information! You guys are first class! :-)
They need to make a 6-bolt head Godzilla block. I hate that it's only 4 bolt per cylinder.
Understand, and Yes all the new generation production engines are 4 bolt, Gen 3 Hemi, LS/LT, Coyote and Godzilla. For big power thicker decks and more bolts.
Great info. Thank you for the video
Thanks for the info!
We've seen several failed lifters. The surface hardening of the stock roller seems to not be up-to par read: supplier issue. We have a '23 that needs a low time in service engine. We will see soon what it's failure was.
Replying to myself to update: it was a 2023 6.8 (7.3s little cousin) excessive piston to wall clearance and a failed wrist pin on cyl #7.
Another great video! But, Fair warning to anyone buying a '23 take-out. There is no Control pack or way to make this work without a lot of extra cost. A few months back I bought a '23 takeout. One would need to convert back to 2020-22 in order for it to run. With engine package I was given a false VIN number that was supposed to be from engine I received. It was not so a bunch of parts ordered are wrong and I cannot return. The engine also showed up with 4000.00 in damage that was never fully reimbursed. I was forced to eat a bunch of $$ and then Just ordered a Ford Performance M-9000-PM73 7.3L Power Module w/10R140 Auto. It turns out much cheaper in the long run. My question would be if F-P plans on doing a Control Pack for the '23 & newer 7.3 engines.
I am not certain when and if they will offer a control pack. I believe OBR does have an offering for the 23 MY engine.
Currently in that same boat. I bought mars auto with 10r80 control pack and I will have to revert. Can I just switch coil packs and be fine or would I have to revert back the engine harness, coil packs?
@@christianfuhrmann5647 Not sure if mars has proper control pack for 7.3 with 10R80 for use with 3 wire coils. Issue with mine was 7.3 using 6R140 and at least at the time there was nothing avail to make it work with 3 wire coils. Not only was my engine damaged it was not possible without extreme cost to make it work. One cannot just switch coils. The 3 wire coils have internal control where as the 2 wire coils are in PCM. There are also other differences in sensors, throttle body etc. Good luck!
@randysrestoration yea but the ecm that comes with my mars auto control pack is 3 connectors 2 are used for engine and transmission. Is the engine ecm plug different? Another thing is that since the coil drivers are in the ecm then why can't I just swap out to an older style coil to get rid of the drivers in the coil itself?
Good info where's the megazilla at ?
Great information thanks for sharing
Nice to see a modern big block..cool video
Great Information guys!
Any way to old school this motor carb and distributor ? Also have had sbf stamped rockers have turned them 7200 rpm good up dates thanks
I run stock stamped 351W rocker arms on my 351W Ford X306 aluminum heads, roller hydraulic lifters and stud girdles. This may seem odd for hotrod use, but they work great and are very quiet with cast aluminum valve covers. If you want quiet for street use this works just fine.
Great info thanks
Very nice always great information!!!
So glad Brian is here on youtube sharing his knowledge from years of experience within mainstream Ford.
Great vid!! 👍👍
Great information.
What kind of Johnson lifters were used? I don’t know which ones to order. Maybe 2116 or 2126??
Good to see Ford keeping interest in his gas giant.
Great video.
Is it possible to use the 2023 “smart coils” to swap my 2020 “dumb coil” on a swap im doing instead of getting holleys eight channel driver kit?
Will the 2023 87mm throttle body plug and play onto my 2022 7.3 super duty with no issues?
Great video brother!
Thanks Dave.
❤😮😊 Ford all the way in my book my stepdad likes Dodge and I tell him Ford is better than die so no no and they say Yep Yep Ford’s better 69 fastback Steve McQueen look at all the Dukes of Hazzard car in the junkyard and the 69 Steve McQueen stolen 1.35 million. Thank you very much keep up the good work. Have a good day good week.
Does the 23+ stamped rocker arms still have a roller fulcrum?
sorry guys but i am french and i not really understand the part of the video where he talk about the water pump. so i own a super duty 2023 7.3, so witch one is my water pump? the one with big impeller or the small one?
Is the stock 2023 rocker still roller bearing rocker?
I’ve said this from the introduction of the Godzilla, and I continue to be proven correct. The Godzilla is a great truck engine, but as long as people continue to put these engines in lightweight Fox platforms and such, they’re gonna get whooped on by Coyotes and small block Fords, and people are gonna spend a lotta loot just to get beat up on. Jus spittin’ facts.
I wouldn’t Godzilla swap anything under 4,000 lbs. I’d love to Godzilla swap my OBS F150 4x4 with 35” tires. Something where weight is a huge concern and you can put all the low end torque to work. And if you are still hell-bent on doing a Godzilla in a Mustang, I think you’d be much better off with a 6.8L Baby-Zilla. Should at least be able to spin that one a little faster with that shorter stroke.
Curious, No one said and no one asked, Who is the Manufacturer of said Rockers" Piston's, and Connecting Rods? From 20/22 and Now 23/24?? Who Builds this stuff??? Or is it a "SECRET"???
For pistons and rods, I do not believe the supplier changed, but do not know for certain the supplier. Rockers more than likely changed as the product is very different.
Hello Bearded Ford Tech, Any new info regarding this issue for the Godzilla guinea pig owners out there? How often is this actually happening?
Have a Happy New Year
Thanks again
Morning. I see your Reply below. Would anyone know whom manufactures the Rocker Arms For this new Godzilla Engine? Or perhaps who made them before????? I was under the Impression that the problematic Rocker Arms were built by COMP CAMS? Is that a Fair Statement?
I do not beleive Comp made rockers for the Godzilla, To date only Ford Rockers have been available, unless you use our stage 3 heads (Willis Performance) with shaft mounted rockers. However, at PRI this year I expect to see aftermarket rockers for the stock heads.
what about the oil pump system
So Ford corrected the lifter / cam issue on the early motors?
Good question that has not been answered yet. Is it just the early 7.3L's?
I haven't seen anything yet that say's other wise on that . One article that made sense was the varible oil pump at idle doesn't pump enough for long idling. Maybe lack of good oil, lack of frequent oil changes adds to it.@@63bbray I was hoping these guys would shed light on it.
I'm curious to see how these act with n2o. Possibly 100 to 200 wet nozzle or fogger
There is a guy here in Michigan running Nitrous Outlet fogger and Nozzle systems, 8.80 TO 8.70's in the quarter mile in a 3200-3300+ pound Cobra jet Mustang. Paul's Performance I do believe is his shop name. Revan Evan has done a couple of video with him if I'm correct.
No mention of changing the cam and lifters since so many of the 7.3 where delaminating at 35,000 miles and comming apart ?
He stated that he believes it was a roller supplier issue
Cleetus McFarland is quitting the Godzilla platform after he claims they found limits with the head gasket retention. Granted, that engine was powering the Fox body into the 8's at 156 mph stock and in the 7's at 180+ mph fully built.
I asked if they had done fire ring heads, but of course, no reply.
Thought he got 7.80's out of it...?
I think it's a mistake changing out but he's looking for more now and content. The godzilla will be a contender just needs more time for aftermarket support.
@@AddictedToOctane Coyote is superior to Godzilla in any performance application
@joelsavage8254 I was looking for the best pass and mph and I thought it was at FL2K? Not sure exactly but it got hurt there making 180+ mph
@@AddictedToOctane He isn't trying to R&D a new engine platform, he's just trying to go fast and the Coyote has pretty proven recipes to go every bit as fast as you want at this point. And Brett LaSala's 'Snot Rocket' Coyote Mustang just keeps taking his lunch money at these races too LOL.
The name of the company that manufactured the cams and lifters
Name please !
Johnson lifters and there are a few companies making cams.
Johnson builds the top notch aftermarket ones !!
Meanwhile there’s LS and coyotes running 6s stock block 🤷🏻♂️
When you have to modify cam and heads to go fast with a Godzilla or ls.
All you have to do is just add boost and fuel to coyote to go faster.
Coyote is the better of the three just saying
There's lots of factory blocks capable of 6-second quarter mile times, but none with stock heads and a stock bottom-end (crank, rods and pistons; okay, maybe a run or two but nothing that will do it run after run). I believe you may be misunderstanding those saying the are running 6's with a stock block as meaning a stock engine. In most cars it take about 1,500-2,000 hp to run 6's and that's not happening with any factory rods and pistons (more than once). Coyote is a great engine, but this isn't a contest. We're here doing our best to talk about all Ford engines and pushing the technology for all levels of enthusiasts.
@@revanevan im not that naive Evan
I know what it takes to run 6s as well
My father was first to do it in Pro 5.0 🤷🏻♂️
There are coyotes out there already ran 7s with sbe in a heavy ass s550 body 🤷🏻♂️
Godzilla is a dud and yall have to stick them in a light fox body to run 7s🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
It has to be h/c/i and boost to even make reliable power.
Godzilla lifting headstuds with a measly 1,300 hp 😂
You fluff up the Godzilla like the us media fluffs up Biden
🥝✔️
Got a 7.3L in the shop now. Had two rods on the same journal exit the block and turned everything into dust in the process. Big end of the rods still on the crank and spin freely for the most part. No signs of water ingestion or a stuck open injector. Both wrist pins in the bottom of the pan. One piston top is wedged in the cylinder. The other one is dust. It’s an early production engine with 63k on a F450 stake bed. I’m starting to get scared of these engines…..
they love to eat lifters to.
Damn....furd screwed up the ls rockers. Even they can screw up a ls.
I have 10 of the engine in vehicles. 3 had to be replaced under warranty before 30,000 miles 2 just after warranty ran out. I think these are nothing but a attempt to recreate the LSA engine. POOR JOB FORD ENGINEERS.
Wrong.
The godzilla takes designs from the FE and other ford engines.
@@riogrande163 and LS engine
I’ll go ahead and say it, Godzilla is a mediocre performance platform.
While a decent truck engine due to being 445 ci (torque) it’s a middling performance engine.
I frankly don’t understand the continued excitement around this lump because it will *never* be the “Ford LS” for the simple reason it will never see a fraction of the LS’s production volume or application variations.
Even more damning, it offers similar displacement capacity to LS (4.53 vs 4.4” bore centers) because this is *also* not the new “Ford big block”.
Godzilla is in an essence a more expensive, less ubiquitous, more limited, less supported version of the LS and it doesn’t offer ANY architectural advantages over the LS save for out of the box displacement and a larger cam core.
Godzilla in my view is an LS without the LS’s biggest advantage - production volume.
Just like the LS the Godzilla will never go nearly as fast or hold as much power as something simple like a Predator block/Voodoo head Coyote without a significant investment in aftermarket block and cylinder head castings that alter (improve) much of that OE geometry.
At that point just do yourself a favor and swap to something on 4.80+ inch bore centers to really reap some rewards for the money spent.
I’m still disgusted the Boss was abandoned for this engine.
A Boss 2.0 with Siamese bores, Godzilla bore diameter, larger valves/ports and additional refinements would have not only been a superior truck engine but a wildly superior performance platform.
Imagine an aluminum block, 4-valve DOHC 6.9L Boss in the Raptor R or GT500, development made possible by sharing hard points with the Boss truck engines.
Instead we get the more expensive (vs. LS), less capable, less versatile (vs. Boss) Godzilla.
At least they saved a few bucks per unit in production costs but in the big picture as a F shareholder I’m very disappointed.
Can’t lie, I laughed a little at them wiping cam/lifters just like every other pushrod V8 family currently in production.
Why aren’t you working for an automaker designing engines?
@@tylerking27 You know what they say about assumptions
LMAO, good lord...
@@johnnyjackson1783 sorry to assume. What do you do for a living?
Coyote>Godzilla 🤷🏻♂️
It's a freakin' truck engine. Stop wasting your time trying to make it something it'll never be. When is everyone going old school and start hot rodding 477s and 534s?
Remember The LS started out as a what? a TRUCK ENGINE🤫
@@garykarenmcgruther6386 So was the 409. This is no technological feat. Change enough parts, and any pushrod V-8 will run a little better. You act like this is going to be the next Pro Stock killer powerplant. It's just not.
Coyote 👌 Godzila 🖕
Godzilla👎🏼
Coyote👍🏻
Plastic intakes are not worth a crap on any vehicle. Shame on Ford for using plastic.
Please explain why?
Who doesn’t use plastic
Cleetus didn't blow his manifold up, and it saw over 30psi of boost !!
this is the GO TO GUY FOR everything godzilla
Thank you!