My take on the E3D Titan Aero!
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Tom that was a great review. Great in that not only did you provide lots of details about the product but you also gave an honest and thoughtful opinion on it. I use the Titan/Volcano combo and when this came out once I realized there wasn't any weight being saved I came to the same conclusion as you. This kind of honest review is what keeps me coming back to watch all your new (and often the older ones too) videos.
+Jailcee thank you!
Thomas Sanladerer
Hi, just want to inform you that the link for pancake steppers doesn't give any results on Amazon.de. "Leider ergab die Suche nach Ihrem Stichwort keine Treffer."
And I totally agree with Tailcee ;-)
I LOVE that wobbling hotend animation, it's so hilarious :D
thank you for this video Tom. you did clear out some questions on differences between titan and aero. especially the possibility of using both 1.75 and 3mm
Thank you very much for this review Tom, great and thoughtful information as always.
Thanks for the input Tom. I was on the fence if I should use the Aero for a new project. Now this sold me.
It's a good sign for e3d, that the biggest complaint about their product is that the previous version is too good.
The olson block from ultimaker is still easier to replace the nozzle. You don't even need to hold the heater block, just the nozzle. That would have been a great update.
LogicalWaste Development going backwards is a 'good sign' ? You would be an easy boss to work for. I like the Titan myself but I certainly don't think releasing an updated version that looks like nothing but a pain in the ass does them any favours. Extruders are hardly rocket science just btw..
@F1ForFun I'm waiting too. Its been about a year. Feel like we could be here a while more.
I also noticed the classic titan's price dropped by a good $10 in the states with the release of the aero, so win win.
I contacted E3D to make sure I get the right extruder for my Anet A8... I let them know that you twisted my arm with the great video, that pushed me to upgrade.
I enjoy the information you give as I am super new to 3D printing and have at least a running start in this Hobby
Good work and congrats on 100k :)
The one issue I had is that all the configuration options on the sales page was confusing - would have been nice to have an explanation of the options (or at least a picture of the difference). For instance, I kind of understood what was meant by the mirror options, but I wasn't able to visualize it in my head - a picture of them side by side would have been nice.
Hi, Great video, thanks for the overview! All that is missing is the test with flexible filaments, which seems to be one of its main selling points.
"Transparent aluminum" I see what you did there ;-)
That's only for transporting humpbacked whales...
Tom, I noticed the Lulzbot Mini was shown a few times during this video. Please do a video featuring what you did to make the Aero work on the Mini. I want to upgrade my mini with an Aero and your experience would be most valuable. Thanks!
I'm actually happy with my "old" titan and v6 - with those at least I can easily change it to a Bowden if I ever feel so inclined. I also don't think the Aero looks as snazzy :) Happy to know I didn't make a mistake buying them 1-2 months before the Aero came out.
Great video. Thanks for clearing up some of my concerns
Thanks for this. I was interested in the Aero to get rid of a bowden I'm not really happy with.
It would be cool to see a video on the variations hotend styles. This is a good review, but how would it differ for example with the E3Dv6 on my Prusa.
I switched out the stock extruder and v6 on my robo3d last week. I think the biggest improvement is the shorter path, increased printing Z height, and substantial amount of rigidity added to the nozzle. These are major improvements I think. Also by removing the stock extruder and using a pancake stepper, it reduced the carriage weight nearly in half. So I look at this as an incremental improvement. That's probably why they continued to use the titan name
Tom, you missed something important. The original clear plastic Titan cover did not provide enough support for the stepper motor shaft, so there was sufficient force to misalign the shaft. I posted a workaround on the E3D forum extending the clear plastic with copper to stop the constant misalignment. I am hoping that this new aluminium replacement of the original clear plastic piece has incorporated my suggestion to E3D. If so, I will buy one.
It is very rare for Tom to overlook an important technical difference between the Aero and the Titan. The Aero has a new extended center flange (pause at 0:10 or 2:34 to see it clearly) that enables proper support for the motor shaft to the four bolts of the now aluminium heat sink cover. The old Titan's plastic cover was not long enough to connect to the motor shaft. The Aero thus solves the skipping, clicking noises and backlash that several people (including myself) experienced with the Titan. I improvised a solution for the Titan's problems, using a copper crimp sleeve connector, and documented it on the E3D forum.
So.... you didn't test this with flexible filaments?
Because that to me is the primary selling point.
You kind of mentioned it, but in kind of a conjecture sort of way (and no data or print samples).
100% wondering this too, I'm worried about heat soak coming onto the filament my one currently does this on longer prints (6 hours+) and this just looks like it will be worse.
I would like to see it tested with flexible filaments. If it shows an increase in performance, I might be willing to purchase it.
I've been using Titans with direct drive on my Delta printers, and I do see significant flex occurring. The groove mount top of the E3D hotend slides into the injection molded plastic Titan body and is held in place by the clamshell halves of the Titan. There is no way to further tighten or secure this interface, and it can flex when the hotend runs across previously laid down layers of a print. Looking forward to a much more rigid assembly with the Aero, which I just purchased.
I have one, working on my new mount to fix a few issues. That mount you had on it - what is that supposed to mate with? The screw holes point down instead of the more common backwards for vertical mounting.
Awesome review, been looking forward to this one! Thanks Tom! (Was a little disappointed in the added weight, probably my only complaint though.)
tom I was gonna a upgrade my Printrbot metal plus to the ubis13s would this be a better option ?
Excellent video Tom
A video on fitting the new Aero to a CR10 eouldbe really useful. I have just bought and built my new Aero, and fell into almst every possible trap there must be in doing so, but finally I have it sitting onmy desktop. However, the standard CR10 cable are bound together and go into a multi pin screw plug on the control box, wherea now I have a bunch of different wires, some with connectors, some without, and no instructuions as to how to actually connect the brute to the control box itself ?
Very good review Tom!
Have the E3V6 on my Robo..........never any problems.........very well done video.........less height is interesting...Thanks Tom
Ever since I upgraded my RepRap printer to E3d-V6 I've had allot of binding and clogging issues in the heat sink/heat break. Would you think this Aero helps with such issues?
I finished installing the Aero on my Prusa i3 Mk2 this weekend. Seems to work well, but honestly I can't tell the difference between the change (I was running a Titan extruder previously). The extra height is lost because the carriage is a bit longer causing me to lose some bed space at the top.
Perhaps i'll have some more to report when I try some flexible filaments - for now i'm on the fence on whether it is actually worth it for someone to go from the prusa extruder to an aero. You might just be better off with a titan only upgrade.
What is the side mount you are using that is attached to the Titan with v6? I've been looking for a mount that will let me side mount the assembly and keep coming up short. Thanks.
I see this hotend is bigger that the basic one on ender3pro, the nozzle is in the same spot?i mean for example if i will start prinr it will made an auto-home,does matter were the noozle is ?
My pancake stepper motor rod cant reach throu the Idler Lever and into the heatsink. Do you have a pancake stepper with longer rod, or did you just mount it with a loose lever?
for my anycubic it'd be nice for the added build height (a lot in my case cause the top part in anycubic means the actual thing will hit the frame) and also easier to mount and all. no good mounts for e3d titan and v6 for my printer
hey Tom what are the advantages of using a 32 bit controller board like the mks sbase or the Arduino duet wifi. I already have a raspberry pi running octoprint.
I think like a lot of things this is very application specific like you said. In say a portable or small profile printer where every bit of Z axis is critical I think it would work nicely there as obviously it is CRAZY compact. I hate to say it but maybe E3D is almost a victim of their own success on the V6? I got one on my Thingomatic and it just plain WORKS! So to improve upon that would be a challenge but hey if this opens up a new market then awesome good on them!
This looks like a passion project for e3d then a properly market researched product. I dont see them as company which value form or over function and i hope they don't in future
can you make a review video on palette ?? a multi extrusion kit from mosiac ??
It might not be better than the previous v6, but it's still a nice compact solution, and a less noisy fan is quite nice. Because damn, that little fan can get quite noisy ^^.
Well if you ask me.. Bondtech what i been using works real well thanks to its dual gear feeding.. But as in video he taks about how "long" the extruder is... Yes this is problem with Bondtech and cause there is only 3 screws hold on the extruder starts pretty fast making noise thanks to vibrations...
Thanks bud, year later still good info.
can you review saxon filament
it wald be great because im using it and would like to know if you can get better results
the new 400 step motors they still have a different pin-out, so u MUST use the cable they send with you
Hi Tom: thanks for the review. Would the Aero be a useful upgrade to a Delta style machine? I.e. to replace an E3D v6 with flying extruder setup based on E3D Titan with pancake stepper motor?
The Aero is direct-drive only, so it's not suitable for the "flying" microbowden setups.
Look for the Woodstock delta printer on Thingiverse. The guy built it using a E3D Titan... so I bet an aero wouldn't be too hard to adapt.
It's impossible to use the aero as a flying extruder because the hot end is attached do it. The Delta using a titan as a flying extruder was setup to be bowden with a tube running to the hot end mounted to an effector. Aero is the titan and hot end in 1 unit, so again it's impossible.
Mounted to the effector, not as a flying extruder.
Honestly, this is a nice upgrade from the factory hotend/extruder for the Ender3 IMO. I'm still a hard noob and I have it assembled...now I just need to know how to update the firmware. LOL.
Will this work on the Creality Ender 5? Looks great.
Yo Thom! Thanks for putting a link to us in your bio. Just so you know, we ship internationally as well! Does this mean we can get some more of those cool little flags next to our name too!?
Keep up the good work! Love the videos!
+MatterHackers sure thing, I'll change that to a globe with the next video!
+MatterHackers sure thing, I'll change that to a globe with the next video!
Wouldn't printing 1.75 filament with 3.2mm hole cause back flow and jam the hotend?
Where did you get that animation showing the hotend displacement? I would very much like to be able to use it...
Cláudio Sampaio e3d marketing video
Nice review but did notice you weighed the 2 different units with different stepper motors which might be up to 50gr different. Using the pancake stepper motor was one of the good features of the Titan.
+Bugcatcher3d look again.
Sorry, i'm sure you were aware of the different motors but I watched again and can't really make out what stepper motor you had on scales with the original Titan extruder as it's hidden from the camera. Throughout the rest of the video you have the pancake stepper on it same one as your original review. While the Titan Aero has the stepper motor that can be purchased with it. Not really an issue just not that obvious in the video.
He's right, +Thomas Sanladerer . At 1:24 you clearly see two different stepper motor sizes.
I think another possible angle to consider is that a regular Titan can be used for either bowden or direct drive, which is (apparently) impossible with the Titan Aero. For makers and tinkerers who change their mind quite often or even build new 3D printers on a whim, that flexibility might be a feature. Or maybe I'm just a crazy person with ADHD :)
Did you do weight comparison with different sized motors attached? It looks alike in the video...
the new one has propably also more torque - therefore more length is an indicator of higher torque at the same width/height
+René Jurack same motor size for both weight measurements - I kept the standard motor and printed mount and swapped out the Aero for stock parts.
Yeah, I thought that. But I rewinded twice and couldn't see it clearly ^^ Thx for clarification
Thomas and community subscribers, I want to upgrade my old XYZ Davinci 1.0a with Repetier. Change the head but what version do you recommend (is for education purpose)
Looks pretty cool
Why do you have a much larger stepper on the Aero?
Would this work with a reprap Prusa i3? What voltage would it be?
i got a question i have the tevo tarantula i3 and i did some modifications and when i started the print the z axis kept on pushing down even though i have a switch down there.
do you have any tips on how to fix the problem
I fixed it the switch was broken so i had to replace it
Maybe it will be a problem with the backslash of gears??
"what E3D offered before - works really well already" - that is true except for rubber filaments. Isn't the Titan Aero supposed to work much better with rubber filaments due to the shorter length?
How can I install the Titan Aero on my Ender 5 then?
The Anet A8 already uses the same system, though the heatsink-finplate-thingi is only clamped on by the fansrews
hansdietrich83 Dont mention the Anet here. You might trigger Tom
I had the same thought. E3D "invented" what Anet already use. I have an Anet A6 with the same solution.
He specifically mentions the "MK" style extruder assemblies. This should be a nice high quality upgrade to them.
Whats the model of the small pancake motor at 1:07?
Titan aqua is that extruder good ???
We need a 3d print discord server :D
Tom, review the Aqua!
I'm looking for a good extruder body (if possible flying, otherwise a bowden that i'll modify)to use with my 1:55 geared nema17 on my delta setup:, anyone know something?
Are there any firmware adjustments to make in order to mount the Titan Aereo or v.6?
yes. but not as much as u think... google wiki titan aero.. basically steps per mm, and a change to temperature settings (if needed) thats pretty easy
No print sample, comparison?
After using it for many months, it works for itty bitty nozzles only, it cant keep up with nozzles 0.8 or larger.
Does the 0.9 degree motor really make any different?
I mean Titan already have 3 to 1 gear ratio on top of 16 microstepping on driver or even higher.
Edit : With Aero+V6 kit at 90 pounds is a lot cheaper than Bondtech BMG setup.
PartTimeRonin no, you are getting about 800 steps per mm with 16 microstepping and 200 steps motor. You don't need more resolution
PartTimeRonin I can't see it making any difference unless you're using an extremely tiny nozzle and layer height.
Ok, it's suit for super small nozzle like 0.15mm that need super fine extruder step.
+PartTimeRonin for normal printing, 1.8° + gearing is fine, tiny nozzles are where it matters. Also, microstepping is rarely perfectly accurate, so I wouldn't rely on it improving resolution too much.
I'm guessing a 0.9° stepper with 8 microstepping would be more accurate than a 1.8° stepper with 16 microstepping.
love it
im still waiting for someone to design one like a miller welder quad drive
The stock fan on this is atrocious. I thought it was the stepper motor producing the vibration til i disconnected it.
The vibration ran right down to the tip of the nozzle.
MakerBots jam all the time. Wonder why? E3D was already perfect.
So E3D drop down the price quite a bit.
Now Titan Aero+E3D V6 kit just 90 pounds, that still cheaper than Bondtech BMG, nice :)
All that weight should shake most printers apart I would think
I think that the new design is good becose I have problems with heat of motor witch is transmitted to the gear of filament
NWlog have you tried lowering the Amps to the motor? You shouldn't need too much power unless of course you are printing at 'insane' speeds with a very large nozzle.
the heat was about 80 deg celsius :( and after I've tried to lower the current the quality of pla prints reduced :( with abs there was no problem
NWlog I don't understand how lower amperage reduces the print quality of PLA but not ABS. Just to be sure I meant reducing the power for the extruded motor. You should reduce it until it starts skipping and then turn it up just a bit. Hth.
Eduard van Raalte - when i print with abs the amperage was npt reduced, when i use the lower settigs with pla probably it lose steps so the uality of pla was not good; after that I did'n use abs
12:32 am, saw your video and HAD to watch :)
Transparent aluminum, isn't that from Star Trek? (The aquarium used to transport the whales)
yes, but that doesn't mean it isn't a real substance.
makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
anybody else still wondering who that guy in Tom's channel pic is?
I replayed it a number of times and still can’t make out if you’re saying 15mm or 50mm extra Z height
I wonder why no one has though about a water cooler solution for those, especially with the large amount of watercooling technologies in pcs nowadays. Those small fans, at least for me, will get annoying fast.
+Crimson Sunrise there are plenty of watercooled hotends out there (including four from E3D), but usually a pump, reservoir, coolant + maintenance, radiator, fan(s) and tubing are more of a hassle than a single fan right on the hotend.
There isn't anything in the PC that has to move :) There have been a couple designs but so far none of them have set the world on fire. Tom did a review on the OPAM (which uses kinda traditional PC style parts) and the folks at E3D have something in the hopper(which is some thin tube custom design thing).
Older Titan mount was never really tight and would twist over time...it’s plastic. Aero is a big improvement in that area. Larger, slower fan is more secure....that’s a win too. Price? A bit high but costs to do proper design is high. Looks? Meh. A simple printed cover does the trick though.
The real question is why do the aero's heatsink fins go horizontally when they should be maybe vertically oriented? Heat rises...
If the heat sink was passive (without a fan) then yes*, but with a fan it would make no measurable difference. Since the fan + heat sink vents horizontally it will not interfere with the bed maintaining temperature or any part cooling or non part cooling. *Strictly speaking heat does not rise it just radiates or transfers by convection - hot fluids will rise in a body of the same fluid by virtue of it being less dense (assuming a gravitational field).
+Herman der German vertical fins would blow air over you printed parts uncontrollably
So we agree.
I really dislike the transparent fan and the 45° rotation.
I guess it just reminds me of cheap computer parts from the 00's...at least it doesn't have a blue LED...
Pook365 They initially had a blue light but later (wisely tmho ;-) decided to leave it out. See E3D own promo video.
Eduard van Raalte they should've gone retro with a red LED ;)
Haha! Funny, I’m only 22 and I’m quite a fan of the transparent and blue LED.
Tom, you say that there is not much difference in performance - but there is a huge difference in the Titan Aero being able to print flexible filaments. That is a huge selling point for anyone printing in flexible filaments, so this point should not be understated.
I am all about ABS... and looking at that heat sink... look like it's pushing some air down onto the print and that could cause warping and with that lifting... :(
it does not blow down. im using hellobeeprusa with dual aero mod and only printing abs. Never had a problem till now. :)
yes. i am not first!
Can I put this on the creatily cr-10s ??
For Today yes
For Today I don't see why not
adding the heatsink to the motor makes no sense to me,seems all that will do is heat the drive gear even more.
E3D titan Aero VS Bulldog XL w/ E3D v6
Where is Filaween!!>>???
Hi Adam
looks like an ok hotend, but I think I'll stick to my Jhead for now
i like my dual aero extruders ;-) modded a hellobeeprusa some weeks ago with those aeros. no problems at all, and no real change for me from jhead. using smaller steppers and the whole setup is like 320g lighter now
Is it just me, or is the motor on the older extruder WAY smaller than the one on the new Titan? I'd think that is the biggest difference in weight. That motor on the older model looks like a pancake!
Same motor for both weight measurements, the pancake is an aftermarket upgrade (not sold by E3D).
Tom, i've got serious presentation nitpicks, it feels way rushed and there's barely a clear shot of the product. There's a lot of commentary and little actual demonstration. Please don't cut B-roll shorter than 4 seconds, please please don't. I know that 7 seconds is just about the "perfect" distance between cuts, but only if you weren't particularly curious in details and as a way to artificially maintain interest, so i think doing 12-second B-roll or so is absolutely fine. And as nice as your face is and does a lot to make your videos appealing, we have seen it a lot, there's no necessity to cut to it at every occasion.
The ultra fast cutting also detracted from consuming the text, which was well written, but i couldn't take it in initially because i was too busy trying to tell heads from tails in the imagery. Maybe you could present those parts at the beginning where you show basic construction principle of different units more slowly.
For 125 dollars, and shipping, we are back to 3d printed parts? Shame on E3D.
Why? Official Prusa i3 MK2 is also majorly 3D printed. Remember, 3D printing is still a bit of a circle jerk. :)
TH-cam unsubscribed me from you...
Definitely not worth $125 + Shipping. I don't waste money on window dressing.
Uhh, your weight inaccurate, the aero is using a much larger stepper than the Titan