Review: E3D Titan as a super light extruder!
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- Does every Titan need to be big? Turns out E3D's big guy does a great job even when used in its smallest configuration!
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+Andy Prokopyk It's good exercise.
was that a superhot reference?
I got it at the very end haha
Thanks for the video .. Because of your input, I went ahead and replaced my broken (bad parts) Wade with the Titan / E3D and I am truly happy with the results .. On my third print and what a difference , even kicked up the speed a bit on my P3 Steel .. Keep up the great work ..
9:02 hamera in from future be like: Hold my proprietary stepper motor
thanks for a great review. covered all the things I needed to know -- I purchased two as I was looking to try a dual extruder setup on a budget.
"... as cheap as a pancake.." Love that one, and of course the candy... :-) Great in-dept review Tom.
Very happy to see a review of this awesome extruded.
Never thought of making an adapter like you used. Great idea and I'm making one now to fit a printable version of the titan on my Taz 6 printer.
Great review Tom. I can't wait to see your Flexion extruder review! :)
The ultra-flashy (literally) text clashes with your no-nonsense presentation. I guess it would make sense for emphasising something that's important and all too easy to miss (rather like italics in a document), but there have to be batter ways of doing that.
Other than that, an interesting, clear and informative video as ever - thank you!
Superb video as always Tom, you always manage to give us that extra titbit. In this case the use of a smaller lighter motor.
I already have the Titan and got a powerful motor at the same time. Doh! But since I haven't installed the Titan yet, I've just ordered a small 13 nM one to make it lighter.
Huge thanks as always mate.
Keep up you superb videos.
Amazing video, I was reluctant in buying a titan for myself, but this made me finally decide to get one. I also liked the sugary gummies shot.
Top vid 👍
Did you try 3mm filament ?
My idler cannot open far enough to release the pressure for manual fillament feeding of 3mm filament.
Due to the idler lever interfering with the extruder body.
Just wondering if this happens to yours too ?
great review again Thomas, thank you.
do you think a pancake motor would work also on a full bowden setup?
Awesome review Thomas, thanks
Yeah, seven years later i was looking for some channel to cover this problem with a flat surface on the engine rod which grinds the lever day by day. That's a design flaw.
Really appreciate these reviews, would love to see one for the Toranado Extruder as well...
Great video Tom. I didn't think the extruder was all that great but you convinced me otherwise. what does the extruder motor combo measure with the pancake motor attached?
great video! thanks for the breakdown. Love all the gummies candy too! haha
Thx for the review and thx for the superhot style there xD
Due to the light weight of this, do you think it would be possible to make a direct drive delta printer? I'm looking to build one and this seems awesome! Great review!
have you looked into the flex3drive? I have had one on my delta for over a year with great results. no stepper weight on the effector and no Bowden!
Sorry If I sound like a broken record but:
I love the idea of changing the nozzle and extruder assemblies since it gives me the flexibility of trying out different brands. What printer would make sense as a bed for this kind of operation? I know you use the modified mendel for what I am saying but what off-the-shelf printer works for this application? Thanks for the video!
Great video as always!
I got one on my Rostock Max v2. It works fine. The adjustable tension helps. But it's still pretty hard to insert new filament.
+carolcheny OK I take it back. The filament inserts just fine, the problem is my tube. I'm happy with it. Very loud when it backup, though.
Great! What motor did you use? and how fast can you go? (as a direct drive not Bowden)
Rostock uses a couple of different motors, mine is the one that's not the default. Rostock is bowden like all delta printers. I was using volcano .8mm nozzles at one point and it didn't seem to have problems but I can't really tell because .8mm print quality really sucked i never adjusted to get it acceptable.
Ok thanks :)
Did you have to change any setting in the software to run the pancake stepper?
Oh and a link to the stepper motor you used would be handy.
Nice review! Tks!
Could you please tell us the external dimensions of the extruder pretty pleasy?
Tks! o/
Hey Tom would you mind posting the adaptor that your using to secure the Titan?
I don't know if I would consider the flashing white text a improvement. Maybe if you narrate them with a mortal combat voice that says "super bold move!" :-)
For me the titan is a bit on the expansive side for what you get, but that's personal of course.
Keep up the good job, your videos are getting better every time.
Nice review! The best part off it is that small motor. Other than that i still like Bondtech extruders more.
awesome explanation buddy
Hey Thomas, I have been using the Titan with a similar mount setup ( I copied you basically because it was easy ). and I'm using the same motor as you. I'm using it on a robo3d and its been working flawless..but I never checked the heat of the motor. Someone on the robo3d forum mentioned it got SUPER hot.. i just touched mine during a print and yea its really hot!.. I can't remember if the stock nema motor got this hot.
Do you have a write-up on all the modifications you have done to your Mendel90?
Tom,
As always, great video. You mentioned this would be a good solution for mounting the extruder to printers that might not have been possible with heavier setups. Would you say this is something that might work well on a delta printer, or is that still too much weight to throw around?
Thanks again!
+Thomas Sanladerer Fair enough. I was wondering if you tried it on any deltas you have. Thanks though.
Really helpful, thanks. With all these reviews of extruders coming up: how about an explainer on "retraction"? Mysterious as boiling an egg: you can't see what's going on inside!
I’d like an updated video on the Titan. Is it still relevant in 2023? I’m considering fitting one to an Ender 3.
great review
Do you have a link for the file on that adapter/mount you used? Does it work on the Luzbot Taz 5 (Hole spacing)? I also purchased the smaller motor to try it out but the only mount I found for the Taz is for the larger motors.
I have a Monoprice Maker Select v2 which I'm using to print PLA. I plan on printing the majority of my prints in PLA (and related plastics) for quite some time (I might stray into ABS here and there). My main interest in printing is landscapes for myself (I'm a geologist) and friends/colleagues. So, speeds and resoltuion are always nice. I'm considering upgrading my hot end and extruder from the stock version to Micro Swiss all metal hotend, E3D's v6, or E3D Titan, but I cannot find many comparisons. From looking at your other videos, I'm guessing it all boils down to money and creature comforts. Is this correct? Is there a valid way to compare these hot ends and extruders?
I really wish they would update this extruder. A single geared extruder with at least 3:1 gear ratio with a big drive wheel which is also light small and cheap would be the best system for 99% of all FDM 3d printers. Dual gear has meshing problems and adds weight + cost while a bigger drive wheel increases contact with the filament and this would be by far the cheapest way to make such an extruder.
Wondering if two of these fit next to each other to form a dual extruder?
Have you ran into issues with titan motor shaft grinding agains the extruder hand hole now that over a year has passed?
Great video Tom. I was just about to test my tiny stepper motor, so I'm glad it worked well for you. Have you tried Titan in the 3mm configuration yet? I'm tempted to try one on a 3mm delta mounted directly on the effector.
+Richard Horne Any advice on where to buy good steppers in the US?
***** I'll give it a go and see how well it holds up.
Sal Sodano I'm not in the US, but depending on how many you are looking for, it's often good just to import them from China, you will be paying someone else to do just that. The selection over at www.robotdigg.com/ is quite good quality.
+Richard Horne Thanks for the tip!
Thank you very much for the review. Do you have a link (STL-Scad) for the adapter part you have used. I also have a Wade's extruder and I need to use a similar part, otherwise my hotend becomes too short. Thanks.
+Thomas Sanladerer got it :) Thanks again for all of these excellent reviews :D
Thomas, would you have the full specs on the package Nema 14. Bitter. Vielen Dank.
Can you review the Tatsu v2?
hey tom... where can i get a drive cog to mount to my nema that matches the mesh of the titan plastic cog? seems a much coarser cog than standards seen. thanks
Off specific topic of your video, but an Extruder Question. My Tevo Tornado with the stock factory Extruder has stopped feeding filament. The X, Y, Z axis still work and the heat element heats as well. Do you know of how I could test to see if the actual Extruder failed or the driver circuit inside the Tevo unit?
Do you have a step by step guide on assembling this extruder? I just received my kit from creality and I have no clue how to assemble it. It's on my cr10 v3
would be great if you were to do a update on this, of it fitted to a Ender 5...
The titan looks like a solid package but is it worth $75 in a bowden setup over an $8 MK8 drive gear (plus a 608 bearing and a pipe fitting) on a simple printed extruder?
Can we get a review on the Reprap Duet board?
What do you think of the Ultimaker Original Plus?
What is your recommend for me i am using a corexy printer with bowden setup and e3d v6 hotend and i need a cold end is titan is the best for me or there is a better choice?
hello Tommas where do you get those "pancake" motors ?
I got the Titan extruder kit by itself, but I'm interested in trying out those little pancake steppers! Where would you recommend sourcing some of those?
+Thomas Sanladerer I love how every nema 17 13Ncm motor is almost sold out, and says 4/5 sold in the last hour LOL your video makes sales! including me :)
+Thomas Sanladerer See ebay #231657767162 - 11Nm, 0.9°/step. Same size otherwise.
+Thomas Sanladerer See ebay #231657767162 - 11Nm, 0.9°/step. Same size otherwise.
may it print nylon or flexible filaments?
I wonder how hard it is to retrofit my Rep1 to run one of these?
Hi Tom, the NEMA 17 small, where you can get? I bought the extruder titan E3D and the engine that sent me is great, where I get the engine you have in the video.
Greetings and thanks
thank you very much
I just got my Titan Friday and finishing up a mount for it to try out on my CoreXY machine. I was wondering though in regards to the weight when using a pancake motor, would this be light enough to use as a direct drive on a Delta effector? I was planning on doing a flying one, but if it was light enough, I prefer direct.
+Edward Boston Good question... I'm wondering about that too. although I'm not sure I would use more weight on the effector.
+Thomas Sanladerer Would you mount it with some kind of elastic material or counterweights? I think I would go for some of the elastic tubing a lot of the existing designs use but I remember a guy in the delta Google group who ditched the elastics with counterweights.
hey so with 3mm filament you don't need to attach the tube to it?
Would using 1 of these pancake steppers as you called em be plug and play replacing a standard nema 17? I am thinking about upgrading my Duplicator I3 with this extruder and a E3DV6 full metal but not sure how much software/hardware type work there'd be to do.
well my motor now tends to get a bit warm (not at all too hot to touch, maybe like 30-35C).
how would 1 regulate the current tho?
hmmm....so what about using those small geared steppers for the extruder? does that make sense?
any idea on how to put it on a delta effektor? ^^
can you tell me gcodes you used for the titan i am a beginner to 3d printing
Thank you!!
is the pancake stepper is enuogh even withot the gear ? or is it to weak ?
Nice product
Looks like Makibox
What happened to your review of the flexion? I couldn't find it anywhere!
wow! cool. thanks for the quick reply! I can't wait!
Matt Bart
So, this extruder handles 3mm filament with a 1:3 ratio, and a pancake nema 17, while the lulzbot mini uses a full nema 17 and a 1:5 ratio, which is confusing me. In your making your own 3D printer video about extruders, you said that 3mm filament needs gearing. Please help by explaining something that I'm not getting. I am doing research for making my own printer, that will use 3mm because I have a lulzbot mini, and want to understand everything going into the design. So, how does this extruder have the torque for 3mm filament is really where I'm messed up due to the motor and ratio.
Your content is quite helpful, keep it up!
+Thomas Sanladerer ok, thanks for clearing that up! I'm guessing you mentioned it in the vid but I was tired.
still puszzeld, got a Prusa i3 kit, it came with a MK8 direct Extruder/Hotend , witch i changed to a china e3D + bowden extruder. I can print ABS now like a flush, but now PLA buggs me, as it allways Jams, (got a hard time to find working Retracting and Temp Values.)
I was about to put back the mk8.... now i look at this geninue e3D combo (V6+Titan) will this combe be more beginner friendly, or anyone have better suggestions...?
*1.75mm, slicing with Simplify3D*
Hi. Do you have a link to the "pancake"-nema 17 motor displayed in this video?
Never mind. Need to learn to read the video description :P
Can you compare them after you have review the extruder :D. cheers
can someone help me with mine, it seems like something is missaligned the filament grinding and not being extruded i have even hammered the hobbed gear to make sure it was in place. i have tried every thing.
LEss torgue on the stepper? so my stepper wouldnt get super hot anymore on my Bowden setup
can this be used as a direct on a Ultimaker 2?
Thanks for the cool video as normal.
Just a heads up the flashing/warping text transition effect you used in this video took a lot away from the video.
Did it though, did it Michael? Did you really have to stop watching the video or forget everything discussed in the video because every few minutes there was an incredibly brief bit of flashing text? Because I don't believe you did.
So is this better than the e3D v6 for print quality, precision, reliability, and/or material compatibility?
The titan isn't a hot end. If you watched the whole video, you can see that Tom used the e3d v6 with the titan. They both do different things.. The titan is the extruder and the e3d is the hot end
Really glad I watched this as I am just assembling a genuine E3D Titan Aero, and did wonder if I had done something wrong when fitting the filament guide inside the extruder because I had to fiddle around to get the filament to go down into the head. The black plastic guide had slipped out while I was putting it together, and was found under my desk !!!!! Your video showed just that possibility and gave me the hint as to what my problem was, so I stripped it down again and presto, with th guide back in place, it loads flawlessly.
Tom really appreciated those gummies.
Do you think this would work for a Robo 3d R1?
if I wanted to put this extruder using 1 of those pancake steppers paired with a V6 on my Wanhao duplicator I3 V2 could anyone maybe give me some more insight on the amount of work required. I know I'd need a new bracket of sorts to mount it all to but other than that would it require me to re adjust Esteps or other firmware related things?
thx in advance
Will it fit the robo3d r1?
using a nema 17 hs 4023 stepper motor for 3d printer x y and z axis it is possibel
What is your recommended extruder?
Would a NEMA 14 with 24oz-in work for a setup like this?
+Jeffrey Drake Not without an insane adapter. The extruder screws directly to the NEMA 17 stepper's mounting holes, as far as I'm aware.
My nema 14 is also 175g, while a pancake 17 I saw was 140 so there wouldn't be any real savings.
Where can I buy a "pancake" stepper motor? Is that the technical name of it?
Found this
www.pololu.com/product/2297
LOL...(6:30)...the right tool for the right job! ;-))
Yes and even better is re-engineering at 3:33
40th Good review. I really want to do a review on the titan als
To ask does this come with a hotend? If it does, what is the max temp? if not, does anyone know a good hotend which goes well with it?
+Thomas Sanladerer ah thank you, I couldn't understand that in the video.
Hi Tom how can I be a full sponsor.
nice top!
cant find the review of the flexion extruder.... did you delete it?
+Thomas Sanladerer oops thought you did, we'll looking forward to seeing what you think.
super HOT video bro
I bought an Aero Titan extruder and I am having so many issues with it. I am having so many jamming issues, about every other 12hr print, the heat break gets jammed with plastic, to the point where I need to take the heater block off. I do not know what is wrong, if anyone has any comments I would love to hear them!
Baird Bankovic I hope you have had it resolved by now, but if you still have the issue, were you assembling the hotend per the instructions? Your issue is symptomatic of an E3D v6 nozzle that is not tightened with the hotend at 285°C per the instructions.
How much does the retired Wade's weigh with the pancake stepper? It has a higher gear ratio. To stay in the reprap tradition couldn't you get most of the performance from a modified Wade's like www.thingiverse.com/thing:221082 using a teflon guide tube and a shallow hob on the M8 bolt. I imagine someone could design a 3:1 gear set to keep stepper rpm down when using a volcano hotend.
Why not just use bowden setup? For price of e3d titan you can get bowden setup with beefy nema 34.
gutes review... aber ich würde auf den effekt verzichten.. ich bekomm hier epileptische anfälle :D
What is the gear ratio?
i want to get and ender and convert my cr10s into a 3mm filament 1.2mm nozzle volcano vase mode machine