The Gospel of Joey Wheeler, Yu-Gi-Oh's Greatest Duelist | I PROVE Joey is Better Than KAIBA and YUGI
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2020
- Welcome back! In this video I am spreading the good word of Joey Wheeler, or Katsuya Jounouchi in the original Japanese. Joey is without doubt one of the greatest duelists throughout the original Yu-Gi-Oh series, but due to jokes and memes and general badmouthing on the part of one particularly wealthy character it seems that audiences and fans just don't want to respect Joey! I'm here to spread the information in attempt to open fans eyes to Joey's true greatness as a duelist!
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Months later and this is still getting comments about Joey just being lucky, which is frankly a dumb comment when Yugi’s power literally manipulates the deck to give him what he needs.
ALL card games come down to luck because you are needing luck to help you in drawing what hand you need to accomplish what you need to win. The way to turn the tide of luck in your direction is to know the rules of whatever game you’re playing, and building a deck where your cards work so well with each other that luck seems to always be on your side since you always seem to draw what you need. That’s what Joey has done. His early deck doesn’t work at all because he doesn’t understand the game and how to build a deck that works well with itself.
Further, I literally provide context of the author STATING that Joey is the best duelist in the series. So if you’re arguing against me you’re also arguing against Takahashi. No cap. 🤷♀️
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Joey is the original F2P! my men didn't have a grandpa to give him rare cards like Yugi or be rich like Kaiba. He literally was salvaging cards and even used battle city cards that he won from weevil, Espa roba, and Mako tsunami. They should have done a whole show about Joey being the main character but instead we got Yu-Gi-Oh GX (which I love).
You forgot to mention that the DSOD movie confirmed that Jonouchi got the Red-Eyes back from Yugi.
The Joey support is real my guy
Joey is my favorite dualist throughout all yugioh and I do wish they would do a new series where Joey is the main character and he finally beats Kaiba. On other notes I was wondering if you could do a what if story if Joey beat Marik and went on to battle Yugi.
@@thebeastwear4892 look at my comment down below, i made a decent enough explaination of how it would go down
BROOKLYN RAGE
But in all seriousness, Marik almost shat his pants when Joey placed that card in atk mode.
He's not from the Bronx.
But u don't see how many times Joey shat himself while facing multiple duelists including marik.
The story would have been better if Joey remained a servant to mariks millennium rod.
He had rare cards when he was being mine controlled by marik thats the only time Joey prpved he could be a good duelist.
But like an idiot Joey refused to use any of those rare cards. And Joey is inferior to Zigfreed, Mai, Alister & Noah
@@redspirit5885Pretty sure he beat Mai, and that was when he barely knew how to play the game.
I am glad I'm seeing more love for Joey. Joey is the only person who isn't connected to the ancient past or a millennium item. He is the best normal duelist in the show, and that is a fact.
If Brooklyn was in ancient egypt best believe he'd be pushing Priest Seto to his mental limits 😂
@@evolvedcopper2205 His ancestors moved from Brooklyn, Egypt to Brooklyn, Japan
he is overrated and a joke
I agree, also add to the fact that he hasn’t been dueling as long as the others makes him impressive as well.
Exactly and he got kaibas life points down even though kaiba used that cheater card "Crush Card Trap" if Joey could afford kaibas cards he would be just as good or very close
You missed a few points.
- Yugi got his deck from his grandfather, not only did he have objectively powerful cards, but this is also the deck of a person WHO SELLS CARDS FOR A LIVING. So Yugis deck was already above average from the get go.
-Yugi gives a copy of Time Wizard to Joey which is actually a trap since yugi knew that Joey would use it on their duel and that would buff his dark magician. So Yugi needed to cheat to beat him
-You mentioned how Joey lost his fight against Marik but would of won if it wasnt for anime bs. You also mention that this would scale him to the same lvl as Yugi. I fully disagree, at this point Joey was well passed Yugi. His deck is significantly weaker and has no god cards and he has no millennium items to aid him. He is not an underdog, that's an insult. A better analogy would be if two master samurai fought each other to the death, only one is wearing a full suit of armour and a real sword while the other is wearing normal clothes and a wooden blade.
-Yugi's millennium puzzle gives him the power to literally draw the exact card he needs when he needs it. He has plot armour built in to his character (look it up its actually an ability of the millennium puzzle)
-Joey was able to take a standard deck anyone could have and pilot it against pro players, people with unlimited money, gods and players who had plot armour and he stood shoulder to shoulder with them. Every strong card he has, he has won. Everyone else either inherited their decks or had daddy's money to buy it. There is no question, he is the best duelist.
Babylon Shadows thanks for all the further input! These were just the points that I tend to bring up when conversing about this (I’ve had multiple conversations on the topic), but I also wound up having to trim a lot of content because I wanted the video to stick closer to 15 mins. Even then I was still two minutes over, haha.
@@omnibuscollector you did a great job bro.
Thanks so much!
pro players? joey has only ever defeated cheaters and that too through luck:
1. Esparoba
2. Weevil
3. Mai
4. Bandit Keith
His only fair wins, are Zombie monsters dont have 0 defense points so his win against Bonz was plot armor. Joey is overrated and lame just as kaiba and atem are overrated just for being duelists from DM.
@@SwagokuLion Uhmm, shouldn't you be over on the YGO-5DS channel? Because you clearly don't seem to like anyone in the series. Or the series as such.
TILL THIS DAY
I vouch for Joey, he doesn’t get the respect he deserves.
No, he doesn’t. I just don’t understand why Kaiba would never give him the respect he deserved. Only reason he started taking him seriously in their second duel was because Joey destroyed his Blue Eyes and then stole it. And even though Joey almost beat him he still didn’t at least acknowledge that Joey did remarkably well against him.
In Gx, Pegasus even says that Joey is one of the top 3 best duelists in the world along side Yugi and Kaiba
Please stop spreading this myth. Pegasus's statement does not mean anything. No one cares if hes the creator of the god damn game...
Pegasus mentioned Aster Phoenix as the fourth best. But ignores that Aster lost to Sartorius, Judai, and was ranked below one pro duelist at the point, after pegasus's statement aster lost to Adrian & Chazz two other GX characters.
Pegasus's statement should be ignored.
Joey lost to Zigfried so shouldn’t he be number 3?
@@tiffanyroberts6460 I believe zigfreed is better than kaiba too cause kaiba only won against him due to plot armor
But for a top 3 duelists list it would be extremely difficult just taking prw GX duelists into account
I don't have a list of my own top 10 or 5 duelists
@@ritudhar6173 what plot armour? The only thing in that duel that comes out of nowhere is Kaiba pulling 3 blue eyes in a row and really that’s just how good Kaiba is. If the question is whose 3rd for the original series I think it either comes down to Marik depending on what his deck looks like without Ra or the Spirit of the Millennium Ring. That being said if you only look at people who are tournament competitors (so excluding antagonists) the top 5 would be yugi, Kaiba, Leon, Rebecca and then Balfry Ginger. Leon, Balfry and Rebecca were invited to the grand championship due to their records in the pro duelling circuit and they all out ranked Joey reaching the semi finals.
@@tiffanyroberts6460 first turn should have went to Zigfreed as he won the coin toss
If he went first then zigfreed would KO Kaiba using mischief of time goddess to skip kaibas turn so Zigfreed can also conduct a battle phase.
None theless ur reaction tells me u are a kaiba fan who will overrate him
Childhood is idolising Yugi
Adulthood is realising that Joey is the true king of games
Always was
I rewatching yugioh dm sub and Joey and kiba duels are way more fun than yugi duel
You said it wrong.
Adulthood is realising dat Joey is da true king of games.
Gotta give respect to the man.
Just an opinion 😂. The guy never won a single tournament. Always losing to off screen nobodies.
@@NITESHADOWshouske Let's ignore the fact that he lost a tournament against some spirit nutjob only because of some dumb shadow game logic that forced him to pass out.
I could only read the Yu-Gi-Oh manga in my school library, and Joey was my favorite almost immediately. Although I only read 6 volumes, (That's all they had in the library) I loved this man, so thanks for doing this!
First episode I ever saw was Joey vs bandit Keith and I thought he was the main character and Yugi was the sidekick, now I know better lol
Joey has always been my favorite, him dueling for his sister and just his energy in general
As a kid Joey was my favorite because he was like me, he was new to the game, didn’t understand all the rules, and didn’t know all the cards, but he kept trying. He always tried his best, and won when it counted (Malik excluded, still salty about that), and when he lost, he lost with grace. Joey was just so cool to me, and as a kid my deck emulated his.
I'm so happy you took the time to make this video about Joey. So many people outright call him a trash duelist because some of his more important duels ended in losses, but they forget that he was usually at a disadvantage compared to Yugi and Kaiba in terms of cards, magical items, and money. Yugi and Kaiba are certainly great duelists in their own right, but simply put...Joey made it to the Duelist Kingdom finals while still a beginner to some degree. That alone shows he's a really quick learner, and once he understands the game he really starts to shine as a duelist. On top of being a fantastic duelist though, throughout the series (anime specifically) Joey shows how strong he is not only as a duelist but as a person. He always strives to keep his word to the people he cares about and that's extremely admirable, especially considering the danger this mindset often puts him in. Even though season 4 is an anime only plot...he really shined a lot in that season too. He was one of the few people that managed to remain level-headed through most of it and essentially became the leader of the team while Yami was depressed about losing Yugi. I'm happy to see some love for Joey. He's one of my personal favorite characters and I'm sure he'd be the favorite of many more if they were willing to look at his character more deeply. Anyway, thank you again for making this video. I really loved watching it. God bless you!!!
Joey also lived in the same city that yugi did he was his friend and had access to the cards in that same shop so stop the cap.
I'm far from a Yu-Gi-Oh expert (I watched it on Kids WB as a kid), but based on my memories and understanding of it, what would said is pretty spot on. Joey was always my favorite character in the series, and I wasn't sure why as a kid, but I think you nailed it with the underdog assessment. Those characters are usually my favorites (hence why I love Deku in My Hero Academia). You've made me want to read the Yu-Gi-Oh manga. :)
You should go for it
[BROOKLYN RAAAAAAGE]
This is a great video. I really enjoyed it! I think your assertion of him as an audience surrogate is really solid!
Thanks dude! Awesome to hear from you :)
It always upset me that joey never got recognition. Or the respect a great character deserves. Alot like joey I couldn't figure out spell or trap cards. And I played very similarly. I wish they would have given joey more huge wins, his own master duelist situations, and epic rivals
Really like your perspective on how Joey is like us the viewers that were slowly learning.
Also, I think people forget that Joey really reflects in real life situation you get incredibly unlucky and lucky sometimes. But overall Joey is more unlucky than he is lucky 🍀.
Plus the creator says joey vfc won that duel against yugi after battle city.
Do you have a source for this? While I want to believe it, the duel was never meant to have a result. It was to fulfill the promise that Yuugi and Jounouchi made, the entire motivation for Jounouchi and him becoming a True Duelist. 4kids cut out his growth and the promise so it’s not well known all the motivations and symbolism, but I think the end result was just that Jounouchi had become a True duelist who is good enough to stand on his own feet against the other 2 True Duelists. Yuugi was going to give his red eyes back no matter what, even if Jounouchi lost, so Jounouchi having Red Eyes after that isn’t an indicator that he won.
@@chaocobojun2098 Sshhh let Joey have this one 🤫
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 I want to but having a result to that duel defeats the entire point of the promise. I need a source.
Actually, it's confirmed that Yugi won
@@kaiserknight8494 Do you have a source for that? I’m 95% sure there isn’t a result for the reasons I already stated.
"Joey is the best duelist"
Runs insect queen with no other insect monsters.
Runs legendary fisherman with no umi
It's not like he could buy packs to get Umi (poverty-stricken in the manga), he got that card from Mako. Mako didn't get him any supporting cards so he most likely kept it for its power but played strategically with the deck he had.
Better than what he had in the first place so can’t fault him there
the rules of battle city, if i'm not mistaken, states that you are forced to keep the card in the deck
you even see kaiba using that strange ritual monster that he wins from dhe double duo
@@F22raptorC you don't need to keep the card in your deck, a deck was limited to 40 cards so you had to shuffle them. however, the ANTI card MUST be in your deck, in otherwords, if you put up Dark Magician for the Card prize, you HAD to have Dark Magician in your deck.
@@lupvirga i stand corrected then
I always thought Kaiba was a little jealous of how quickly he became good and that’s why he refuses to acknowledge him. When Kaiba acknowledges Joey in Battle City it was a great moment for both characters. When Joey battles Yugi after Battle City, I imagine that he beat Yugi although it was never shown.
Kaiba immediately insults joey in the next episode when he begins his duel with atem. you yugioh tards cant even read the series correctly so you come to dumb conclusions
Swagoku Lion I’ve read it fine. No need to be a jackass.
Swagoku Lion also the anime sucks, the manga is the only good way to enjoy this series.
@@comicnutt7677 well.... if you compare the manga versions of these 3 duels:
1. Marik vs Mai
2. Marik vs Bakura
3. Atem vs Kaiba
to the anime versions (if you watch SUBBED over DUBBED) then i think the anime did those duels better
for duelist kingdom i prefer the manga but for battle city i prefer the anime, i wonder what you choose if youre willing to state reasons for why
@@comicnutt7677 did my response not go through or did u just refuse to reply?
Great points. This is why I always loved Joey since childhood. But I dislike the fact they never gave him much screentime in the movies.
Your stand in idea makes sense. Kazuki Takahashi once said that Joey is stronger than the Pharaoh because like the weak piece of a puzzle he gets stronger and stronger by forming bonds with other pieces. And this is ultimately the message he wanted to spread with his story
That does not make Joey better than Zane or Yusuke from GX
@@redspirit5885 I was talking about his era. We know he is better than the duelists from GX because Pegasus aknowledges him as one of the top 3 duelists in the world
@@thecabbageman1 How is pegasus's statement relevant?
how much do u know about GX? do you know that in the pro league their were at least 2 duelists ranked above aster phoenix?
1 was aster phoenix's dad (the guy that adopted him) the reigning champion of the pro duelists league, he wasnt kaiba, he wasn't joey he also wasn't yugi
yet pegasus does not mention him in his top five duelist list
another player was Mr X (in the dub hes called "Howard X Miller") who ran a *Mill Deck* players of that style are better than most people that played in the DM era.
Pegasus doesnt mention him either.
By the time pegasus made his statement he ignored Aster's loss to Judai (jaden) and Sartorius (Saiou) in the GX series.
@@thecabbageman1 a week
Joey was high key always my favorite character in the original series.
master kenobi Joey was the only one who could stand up to the power of Ra while everyone would just fall
"he passes out and fall into a koma"
Ha, little does the Anime Watcher know..
His heart stopped beating and he died.
And Kaiba thought to himself: "For dying
this way, i accept you as a real Duelist."
Brooklyn rage!
@@edwardsmith3274
You know Brooklin Rage?
@@eisflamme2438 yes it is a rage which is from the western-most county of Long Island ny. Also known as Brooklyn
Jounouchi is the GOAT and my absolute fav character in Yu-Gi-Oh. I genuinely wish Konami would pump out more and better (or at least more cohesive) support for Red-Eyes and his other monsters like they do with Blue Eyes/Dark Magician.
Even after battle city when, Joey receives a legendary dragon card "Claw of Hermos," as yet more evidence that he is worthy of being one of the top duelists. Along with his achievements in battle throughout that season. Ritual Summoning "Lord of Red" and wearing a suit of Red-Eyes Armor was probably one of the coolest battles he had in my opinion.
That was all filler tho
Still cannon and your point is invalid.
@@doug36739 i mean its the most non cannon thing ever wasnt in the manga and wasnt done by taka
@@doug36739 if you really wanna respect Joey then choose his R Manga counterpart cause in waking the dragons he only had plot armor
The only fair win he had in that arc was against rex raptor
@@doug36739 he still can't beat Mai
And Joey lost 3000 LP to rex raptor in 1 turn
Not to mention the fact that Joey comes from a broken home and was raised by his alcoholic father. Honestly the anime version does a complete character assassination of Joey.
I always thought Joey was a great guy. I agree that he is a highly skilled and capable duelist. I often find parallels. I started off with two decks starters Pegasus and Joey. I pressed for a mix of the decks and I admit that I saw Joey's cards as more useful than half the ones in Pegasus's and I won my first duels with that. I haven't played Yugioh in a long time since 5ds left us with many confusing mechanics but I would love him to come back as a main character of a whole new arc. Joey: the true king of games.
Joey lost to a random duelist from some tournament in his flashbacks
Joey was always my favourite, i was so sad he didn't get 1 final duel in the movie
As well as the only one who didn't get to duel in gx, even pegasus has that :/
You say Joey didnt have a spirit, money or a millennium item. Well, he didnt need it, he had the chin face which was much more powerful 🙌🏽
this is my favourite YGO video. THANK YOU!!! finally someone gets it! I'm so happy I could cry haha
Your videos are killer dude never thought of Joey like that I'm with you 100%
Im meeting Wayne Grayson today a com near me. I’m having him sign my Red Eyes. I run Red Eyes in my Buster Blader deck currently and I’ve had this red eyes for years. It’s as minty as I could keep it (despite playing it often) so I’ll be sending it off to authentic the autograph. I’m so excited. I’ve been watching these videos about Joey while I wait for the time to head over and meet him.
Joey was a brand new player with his first starter deck and whatever booster packs he could find who managed to be a finalist in TWO pro-tours in a row.
No matter how you look at it, that's impressive as fuck.
I'm not like a huge fan of Joey's character but I still like him as a Character and I agree that Joey's character was underated he desserved better in the show
When he lost too Siegfried in the last tournament smh. The last time he ever dueled.
*fangirl squeal * Thank you so, so, so very much for this. For years I have been trying to convince my friends that Jou is actually a far better duelist than most others for the exact same reasons.
Jou has also one of the most complex and strategicaly challenging decks; at first glance it looks like a gambling deck, but it really is a reflection of every single duel and opponent he fought. M, favourite scene is in the pre-quarter finals, where Jounouchi outsmarts all his opponents, making sure he'll be the one facing Malik. That is one of the most brilliant moves in the entire series.
Battle City is the arc where Jounouchi develops the most, both as duelist and charachter. Sadly, the later series kept pushing the dumb blond aspect to the front and did not only the charachter, but also the series a major disfavour.
There is also one more fact people tend to brush off: Jou's lack of family support. Yes, Shizuka calls in and is around throughout the Battle City/Noah Arc, but unlike Yuugi, Honda, Anzu and Kaiba, who come home to someone who gives them a hug and cheers them up, Jou often gets welcomed by empty beer cans and shouts. In certain ways, Jou is probably even more of an orphan than Seto and Mokuba.
Maybe it won't really be a mater of Jo being better than them, but it's his efforts to constantly surpass and try again against foes who surely got cards that can level whole mountains. Never once did he give in when facing those powerful guys while keeping close even with a weaker deck.
Going to the finals already cements all of the potential that lies within him and he got past a bunch of rigged fights, cheaters, magic people. Just by simply taking into account the match against Dark Marik where he dueled without his main ace (Red Eyes Dragon) and mustered the strength to withstand the opponent, reminding that Marik was abusing Ra and using Marik but Joey made use of the right cards at the proper time to completely clear Marik. Had our boy gotten atleast a single minute, he would've taken down the bad guy.
At the end, Joey didn't need to win or lose at that point to show us that he has surpassed Marik (withstood being burned, pain, getting constantly hit by the spell, survived the Shadow Game and not even Ra took him down).
The Orichalcos arc really added to Joey alot too. There was alot less disrespect and his duel with Valon showed him at full strength. It was great
3 things. 1. Joey and Kaibas relationship reminds me of how Naruto and Sasuke's was. 2. I'm patiently waiting for a Purple Eyes Gray Dragon fusion card to exist....Especially since Redeyes fuses with almost every thing lol. 3. Did he win a card from Odin???
Odion faced Joey in the Quarterfinals which didn't have to put up an ante, did it?
Did Kaiba take a card from Ishizu, or Yugi from Bakura?
They, Konami, may be afraid to make PEGD an official Fusion; it's super "fan card", like most any "Toon" not yet made. They're also rivals. I do think a focus on the rivalry triangle would be deserved, not just Yugi/Kaiba.
That’ll be dope I’m personally still waiting for a red eyes ultimate or red eyes potential unleashed since it’s the dragon with potential
I've always seen Joey as yugioh's version of Krillin.
Through hard work he achieved his position as strongest of the regular people, only to be outclassed by ancient egyptian magic/aliens and fate/plot reasons.
Great video! This is my new head canon
Joey is amazing! loved both of your Yugioh manga videos. I never knew Kaiba's and Joey's duel after they both lost in battle city was filler. I love the fact that Kabia did respect Joey in the end, I love it. Have you seen the Drak Side of Demention movie? It is an extension of the manga so does it add anything to your Joey analysis?
Been saying this for so long; glad someone else is putting respect on Joey's name...and his chin.
Joey is the average "joe" that we all are.
Seems I got lucky with the YT algorithm.
How yugi vs Joey went down:
Yugi: *opens Ra, slifer, obelisk, dark magician, dark magician girl: "wait, what do I do with this?"
His deck in orricalcos arc was the best. So powerful. He should have won battle city
5 seconds into this video and I'm already knowing it's a banger 😂👌🏽💯
I've been a lifelong Joey fan since I got back into Yugioh/collecting around 2006/2007, I'm glad he's getting more recognition! and of course I also collect Joey and Red-Eyes items including pre-Konami/TCG stuff ;)
I'm in a Joey mood and I'm stuck on my Brooklyn accent. Great video.
Joey is the ultimate Dark Horse.
“He uses Swordsman of Landstar unironically. He gets everything he deserves.”- Abridged Pharaoh
You are a great speaker. I am trying to get used to the camera still. I am not as articulate as I am in real life back I am uncomfortable in front of a camera yet.
This is a great analyses
This video on Yugioh’s Joey wheeler is inspirational I love it
Joey is so underrated in this series, he should have beat Kaiba at least once, he Finally beats Yugi in that private Duel, and him losing to Marik was BS. Smh
Marik is underrated him losing to yugi twice is BS
Joey got creamed by Odeon and if Marik had actually tried he would’ve creamed Joey too, Marik was literally just getting revenge for being denied the chance to win an Egyptian god card in the semis by torturing Joey as slowly and painfully as he could.
@@tiffanyroberts6460 exactly!
Correction:
1.
He never got close to Kaiba.
2.
Yugi felt pity for him and gave him Red Eyes back
3.
Not attacking and winning vs Merik means he was disqualified and lost don't spin your BS
@@rosytsalevterova3051 you are wrong, in their 2nd duel joey had more life points than kaiba did
in their 1st duel kaiba won cause of plot armor (the writers made joey forget about a basic rule repeatedly)
Joey is my favourite character because he's fun and awesome and a great duelist .
They should make ta special in regards to that duel between Joey and yugi as an anniversary special or something in the future
I always liked that Joey was a stand in for the reader I picked that up when I rewatched as an adult
Also unless I missed it I would have loved mention made about Joey's character development going from a bit of a heartless bully to truly admitting to himself and others that he needed to learn friendship and compassion in order to become a better person.
"Joey passed out and forfeited the match"
Died... he died.
Facts and by time dark dimensions came out joey said in the movie his deck was red eyes centered and red eyes is the soul of his deck. Aka his deck is now centered around red eyes/dragons and of course warriors. Id love to see what ab updated deck would look like. Less gamble cards outside of graceful/skull dice and time wizard his staples. Towards the end of the final arc Joey's deck was really good by then. Years later Joey's deck is most likely amazing and Joey's been my favorite character ever.
Dude, I literally thought just now that Joey's an amazing duelist and your vid popped up.
Ty for the vid.
Very good analysis.
edit: Wow.. you made very good points.. Damn, Joey is the best "natural" Duelist.. damn, i'm gonna recommend and watch this vid again with my other Duelist friends.
Dope, content!
Oh good, the extra money I paid youtube for the “psychically read the thoughts of potential viewers to suggest them my videos at the appropriate times” option is still working!
@@omnibuscollector hm, hey, you got a new sub and loyal viewer. Will donate when i can "(corona sucks atm).
pls keep up the amazing work!
Joey's a perfectly fine duellist, but he has a gigantic special advantage, which is his friendship with Yugi. If Yugi hadn't been so good-natured as to see the guy who was just bullying him as his friend, and at the same time so courageous as to take a beating for him, then Joey's better nature might well never have emerged. He'd probably have died at the hands of the Hirutani gang before ever even getting the chance to duel (which is a save we can credit to the Pharaoh, so you could argue the Millennium Puzzle has saved Joey's life now) and he doesn't truly start at the bottom when he becomes a duellist because Yugi gives him the star chip that lets him compete in Duellist Kingdom - he doesn't have to earn the recognition by playing in lesser tournaments that a truly ordinary player would. He benefits from mentoring by both Yugi and the Pharaoh.
Now, it's true that Joey has some great duels and learns to become a very strong duellist on his own. I don't think he's "just lucky" or anything of the sort - Shadow Games bring out the true nature of the player, so a consistent luck is sort of a metaphysical translation of a duellist who is plucky and adventurous, and that's Joey. He totally gets credit for that. However, he's still got serious flaws at this stage compared to the likes of Kaiba and Yugi - Kaiba utterly humiliates him, and there's not even a question in the manga that once it's gotten down to Pegasus, Joey and Yugi that Yugi will be the one to go on and face Pegasus and Joey will be the one to forfeit.
I also think Joey's feats are fairly unimpressive. It's true that he would have beaten Marik if not for his shadowy bullshit, but Marik isn't strong. He loses (or avoids losing via shadowy bullshit) multiple times, that's part of the function of the Millennium Rod, to let Marik the pretender lose over and over again without actually being defeated himself. It's the evil that makes Marik dangerous, not his skill - as befits as true usurper. Joey narrowly gets what should have been a win against Marik, yeah... but the ancient Egyptian bullshit that stops Mai's win prevents her from absolutely annihilating Marik with contemptuous ease. If Joey had played Mai's game and Mai had faced Marik in Joey's place, knowing the chant to summon Ra as a consequence, then they'd have been scraping Marik off the bottom of the duelling arena before the end of turn 9 (shadowy bullshit or not), half the time it took Joey to "beat" him - now that's luck on Marik's part!
Then we've got the unseen duel between Yugi and Joey at the end of Battle City - I agree Joey won and that's certainly impressive, but not as impressive as it would normally be, because the stakes were Red Eyes Black Dragon, duels are connected to the fate of the participants, and Red Eyes is bonded with Joey just like Blue Eyes is bonded with Kaiba. It's his card, the game would want to return it to him. Now, if Yugi had been opposed to that fate? He could probably have changed it, he has the willpower to do that...but he didn't have to. He knew that he could duel his hardest, submit to the will of fate rather than trying to change it, and the "right outcome" of Joey's victory would proceed. If anything, this is another example of Yugi's friendship benefiting Joey, because there are other duellists (Seto Kaiba, for example) who can also change fate through willpower, and Joey didn't have to go up against that. If he had... now that would be interesting. He might even have won, I don't want to diminish Joey at this point in his career at all. I agree with you that the anime did him a disservice at this stage because Kaiba had learned some respect for Joey and their filler battle didn't reflect Joey's progress very well. Still, it didn't happen in the manga, so we'll never know.
Sadly, that's pretty much it for Joey. He's definitely a strong character, because he has flaws and somewhat more relatable circumstances and problems than someone like Kaiba, as well as likable qualities and an entertaining spectrum of personality traits, but is he a stronger games player than Yugi or Kaiba? I just don't see the evidence for that. I don't think he's even as strong as Mai or Pegasus. (you want to talk about characters being treated as weaker than they are - just look at what they did to poor Mai in the anime!) However, even if he's, say, the 5th strongest duellist in the series, that still makes him a mighty opponent and person of legendary status in the lore. He's indisputably stronger than Bandit Keith, which places him above the level of a major national champion, and that was when he was still developing his skills. I could definitely see him winning a world tournament at some point in his career after the story ended.
Thanks for the video, it was really interesting to watch and very well put together! I hope you don't mind me being late and verbose :D
My favorite duelist ever. I think what makes him the best is the fact that he holds his own against duelists with OP cards and he plays for passion (playing the game for the game's sake). Not to mention his performance against Marik. Not an experienced duelist like Mai, not another evil force (Yami Bakura), not some egotistic rich boy like Kaiba, not even the Pharaoh himself could make Marik worry. Yet an average guy, with an average deck, a determination bigger than the empire state building, and a "give 'em hell" attitude made one of THE most dangerous villains shit his pants (that speaks VOLUMES)
i still believe Ra should be in Joy's deck
You want ra to kill Joey?
Yugioh duel monsters 4 on the Gameboy:"Am I a joke to you?"
Joey was always my favorite character, so it’s awesome to see him get some time in the spotlight
I really REALLY wanted Joey to beat Marik, they robbed him of an honest and fair Victory, he only lost because of the shadow/death game otherwise he would've won, the fact that he started with a deck full of weak cards and STILL managed to defeat even greater duelists and then get their best cards to strengthen his own deck...that just proves the power of his character and how great of a duelist he is, for me Joey is hands down Rock Lee of Yu-Gi-Oh!
How have I lived this long and not known about Blue Eyes Black Dragon?
Yugi and Jonouchi (Joey) names form “Yujo” (friendship) in Japanese. The show are centered around the two characters, and Joey is a clear example of how their bond made him a better person. Previously was a bully and has an abusive, gambling-addicted father, Joey grew to know to pick the better choice (he talked Mai Valentine out of it in the latter arc) and always fought for his sister and friends. In battle city, he showed an unrivaled level of courage and determination. He started from a noob deck but grinded so hard in every match for his sister. He bears the attack of a God (which deems to be impossible and almost beat the sh** outta Marik if it is not for some anime bs, like bro wth do they allow this type of physical abuse in a fk children card game?). His games are exciting to watch as though one might say he relies heavily on luck, I disagree since he always has been put in tough games where strategically speaking there is hardly any chance to comeback. Many of you have pointed out Joey doesn’t have as many advantages as other main characters have, but he is a true “From Zero to Hero” type of development. With such a great pace of development, he could surpass any duelist and if there is to be any future match of him in the anime, I’m sure he will be a strong, prominent contender for the top place.
I wonder what it would look like if my guy joey was the main protagonist of the series
Joey got obliterated by Odion and it wasn’t even close
In Joey's defense odion had a really 9dd deck compared to what he's used to. It was more of a lost go shock and an odd situation then anything
@@KINGD353 It was an a$$ whooping lol
@@elkornu8 Joey would beat Odion easy in Waking The dragons. Once he has Red Eyes back and Hermos lol.
@@KINGD353 if Joey or kaiba won against any opponent you wouldn't say that kaiba/Joey had an odd deck
Because u don't want to defend a character that got little exposure and kicked the ass of a fan favorite
@@afroman5160 no even with hermos and red eyes Joey is weak he had trouble with rex raptor in that arc
takahashi said that he considers little yugi and joey stronger characters than atem and kaiba
Based on his commentary while spectating duels, I think Kaiba is the best. He has several times recognized the play that the person dueling needs to make before the they themself are aware of it. This is in contrast to most other characters who usually assume the worst every time the situation gets dire. It's clear Kaiba has a superior understanding of strategy in the game and doesn't jump to conclusions just because things get tough. He can successfully deduce the only winning strategy in those situations, proven by the protagonist carrying out said strategy. I also think he is the best deckbuilder. Sure he has infinite money, but money can't buy skill. He recognized all of the best cards in duel monsters and assembled a successful deck with them.
If we want to get meta about it, then a strong case can be made for Joey being the best. All of the duels in the anime are highly scripted and basically every character has the same ability to draw what they need just like Yugi. If we assume that all characters have "perfect" luck and that this perfect luck helps them execute the main strategy of their deck, then the fact that Joey got so far with such a weak deck means he must be, on some level, outplaying the other characters. It's hard to say that when I just said the duels are highly scripted, but with luck out of the equation what else could explain his victories? I'd argue almost every character in the battle city arc has a stronger deck than Joey, except maybe Mako, but he still made it to the top 4. If we count his game against Marik as a win, he has the skill to make the finals.
Oh sh1t! Here we go!
In the ddd movie he has his red eyes back which implies he beat yugi in a duel
Fan animation Yugi vs Joey after battle city would be nice.
Nice argument, the memes left me weak lmao
*care react*
They'll learn to run soon as they see my creepy chin I'm scary
All I do is just believe in the heart of the cards
Then I kick some butt when I use swordsman of landstar
I will be using the Japanese names for this.
If I could have redone the battle city finals arc, I would get rid of the yami marik, ra's ancient text and the fake ra card subplot first of all, and it would go something like this.
After Jonouchi proclaims that Rishid isn't Marik, Rishid would ve desperate not to reveal his master and declares the loser to be struck by lightning, prompting marik to make the duel a shadow duel. Jonouchi narrowly wins the duel, Rishid gets struck and enters a coma, and Marik in grief declares revenge against Yugi and his friends by dooming them all to a fate worse than Rishid, Marik functions with much less insanity and sadism than usual but still beats and torments Mai, whom never would have taken and tried to summon ra in this version, and beats and banishes Bakura, but Jonouchi would be in audience for the latter duel.
They compete in the semi finals and Jonouchi would beat Marik, immediatly pass out from the horiible pain and is declared the winner in death by Kaiba.
Marik would be forced to relinquish Ra to what is basically a corpse but he is also fearful for a different reason.
After clearing the field with Jinzo, Marik had changed what the punishment tge loser would suffer but didnt decide on it yet, If Jonouchi won then Jonouchi would be able to decide what his fate would be and that curse hangs over him until Jonouchi decides one for him.
The duel between Yugi and Kaiba is the same but with some new rules. If Jonouchi is not awake before the end of the duel, then he is disqualified from the tournament, and since Kaiba is convinced that Jonouchi is very dead, then if he doesn't wake up then Ra will be up for grabs between the two of them, effectively winning all three god cards at once, and since Kaiba is convinced Jonouchi is dead then he treats the semi-finals as the finals.
Jounochi arrives before the duel ends and Kaiba is livid that his tournament finals is between Yugi, someone who isn't himself, and is a worthless Scrub. The two duel using all 3 gods, but it ends in a perfect tie, enraging Kaiba even further that the pinnacle of duel king that only one can hold is now shared between 2 duelists, Atem still maintains a no lose record until his duel with Yugi, and the two of them trade Ra and Red-Eyes respectively.
Atem leaves for the afterlife and Jonouchi holds the title of sole duel king, forcing Kaiba to swallow his pride to duel Jonouchi, finally acknowlegding him as a true duelist worthy of his attention.
What do you guys think?
Yugioh needs a what if series showing these kind of stories. This was well done good job. One thing id add with Jonouchis and Setos duel would be using fiber jar and Jinzo to counter the crush card virus.
Only a true chad of pure testoserone runs swordsman of landstar
Also another thing you had wrong. It is made very clear in the series both in the start and especially with the ceremonial duel and DSOD, that Yugi is actually very talented at gaming. That he is the king of games. His only problem pre ceremonial duel is that he didn't have the courage to face tough opponents in big battles. This is what Atem gives him
Originally, joey was supposed to be the king of games, but his editors said that yugi is the main character he has to win
Joey almost got 2nd place in a grand scale tournament with a 4th rate deck. Nuff said.
He got 2nd in duelist kingdom amd lost in the quarter finals of battle city and grand championship, nuff said
@@tiffanyroberts6460 if only he ran dmt6 back then. I guarantee he would have stomped mosf duelists just by having that card
@@nekoluxuria7721 I literally just wrote in another comment I think that’s a big reason people don’t respect Joey, that card is a joke that screams ‘I’m not even trying anymore’.
Lol facts
@@superdupeninja8149 what facts Joey wouldn’t have gotten past the first round of duelist kingdom without Yugi, he wouldn’t have beaten Rex or Espa Roba without luck and I wonder if he would’ve gotten past round one of grand championship grandpa wasn’t allowed to enter being he was never a pro duelist.
Joey is the batman of yugioh, change my mind
Dark Side of Dimensions is canon to the Manga. And we see Joey showing off his Red Eyes in the movie. It confirms that he did win it back from Yugi
about the part where you say "years, months, however long it takes this series to go" In the manga, I believe one of the earlier chapters prior to the Bakura RPG arc shows the characters on summer vacation. Duelist Kingdom takes 3 days I think, Battle City takes 2 days. Memory World arc is less clear but i think it takes place in the span of like an afternoon, then the time it takes to do a plane ride to egypt then a boat ride to the final duel area. Of course the anime adds lots of filler so i guess that version takes longer, and we also don't know exactly how much time passes between each story arc (but i would assume once he gets the god cards Yugi would want to present them to the tablet and get Atem's memories back fairly soon). Then Dark Side of Dimensions takes place 6 months after the end of the manga and shows Yugi and friends graduating high school.
I've literally just finished a duel links deck for Yugi (his cards only, but an amalgam of all of his decks, and I'm only missing Timeas.)
Next I'm gonna make a "Joey through the ages" deck. Same basis for my Yugi deck.
As I see it in the the duel after Battle City is that despite being defeated, I think Joey did well enough to deem himself worthy of his Red Eyes, after all, we do see the Red Eyes back with Joey in both branches of the road one goes down
I'd still say Yugi is the best
Not Atem, but Yugi
Like Joey did to Marik's shadow powers, Yugi was able to overcome Atem's ability to draw whatever cards he needs, literally surpassing the power of the pharaoh himself.
Unlike Marik, however, Atem was going all out. The series made it pretty clear throughout the duel that Marik wasn't trying to secure a clean win but was rather trying to torture Joey as much as possible. Had Marik been trying the whole time he probably would've won the duel a lot earlier and Joey wouldn't have really been able to do anything regardless of which version the duel you use. In addition, Yugi was able to come up with a combo to destroy all 3 Egyptian god cards in one turn and execute it successfully, then go on to outsmart Atem and win the duel by negating monster reborn. As good as Joey is, I just can't see him doing the same thing. Yugi is also basically a normal person when he doesn't have Atem or the puzzle. Yes, he's the vessel of Atem's soul, but Yugi doesn't have some sort of enhanced dueling power just because he's Atem's vessel, he just learned from his grandfather and from watching and fighting with Atem the same way Joey did, and improved as the series went on.
If Yugi without Atem or the puzzle and Joey at the end of the series both went head to head in a duel, Yugi would likely win, especially based off of dark side of dimensions, which is a continuation of the manga, where Yugi outsmarts Kaiba and would've beaten Yami Aigami if he didn't pass out (assuming Mahad was actually his top deck and not just the work of Atem)
I love Joey, and I definitely think that he'd beat Kaiba if it wasn't for the money gap, but I can't see him beating end of series Yugi.
i'm still waiting if he got lucky with mai and that reporter we saw in 5d's is their child.
Yes
I'll go even a step further. I think Joey should've been the main character, primarily because Yugi kind of starts off as the best and maintains it and just waits to duel whoever he needs to in order to win and proceed with his own goals, which admittedly are just about him. Yugi and Kaiba also have hardly anything in common in personality or upbringing, while Joey and Kaiba have somewhat similar personalities, identical backstories, but conflicting world views and also conflicting dragons. Yugi goes to save his grandpa, but Joey also forms a grudge against Kaiba as Grandpa is who taught Joey how to be as good as he is, so there's totally a level of avenging his teacher.
Joey Wheeler came in 2nd in Duelist Kingdom and 4th in Battle City. And he wasn’t invited to either of ‘em!
While I agree that Joey is the character with the most progression, a couple key points come to mind that weren't brought up:
-His luck stat is off the charts, and a good 90% of the time he gets what he needs off random rolls. Honestly, I would put this up there with Yugi's power to draw just the right card. To make it fully equal, add in the fact that Joey's an expert at bluffing, like against Johnson with the Big Five. And calling out bluffs, like against Odion.
-This is a minor point, but his Dice cards (Graceful and Skull) have incredibly more power than in the TCG, so anyone that brings up that his deck's full of worthless Normal monsters (like Swordsman of Lanstar) is ignoring that fact. Dzeeff has a good video on that.
-Main point now. Each of the main three had different types of opponents:
--Kaiba's opponents were mainly lockdown/control decks (Ishizu stopped Obelisk, the Jinzo guy was Jinzo, Pegasus took his cards, etc)
--Yugi's opponents had the largest cast of opponents (makes sense as he's the main character), but I'd say the general theme was having to cut down a singular overpowered boss monster that was stronger than his cards in 75% of cases, usually taking 2-3 turns to get rid of it.
--Joey's opponents had the most dynamic shift in theme. In DK and BC, most of Joey's opponents cheated. Come to think of it, Joey has beaten more cheaters than the other two combined. But in the BC Finals and beyond, Joey's only faced serious opponents. He's also faced, both before and after the finals, the largest variation of opponents per duel. This gives him, and the viewers, the most experience with different types of decks.
--As an example, in BC, Joey faced off against: Jinzo control/Reflect > Great Moth Boss > Sea Rush just to get into the finals. Not counting his mind-controlled duel against Yugi. Meanwhile, Yugi's duels in BC: Bandit Keith's Zoa Boss > Arkana's Dark Magician Boss (though it didn't follow the exact formula) > Slifer Boss w/ a side of Slime > Lumis n Umbra Masked Fiend Boss > Joey Wheeler (only non-boss so far), all before the finals. So twice as many enemies, only two of the five varied.
I hope I've made my point.
It should be also stated that Joey has arguably the most potential out of all the main characters in the series.
Yugi? Aided by Atem and boosted by the millennium puzzle to obtain the card he needs in a time of need
Seto? Has Obelisk the Tormentor, 3 blue eyes, and is the recincarnation of the cousin of Atem giving him his own amps when near the presence of millenium items.
Marik? Has arguably the strongest god card and has trained his whole life to use the full power of the millenium rod and the power of the shadow games
Joey is a normal ass dude. A normal ass dude goes from a noob to being in not one but two world champions and getting into their semi finals. Joey also is one of the few characters in the series to defeat a God card, which are far more powerful in the anime and manga than they are in real life.
Normal Yugi: Won against said Magic BS top decking duelist and also against said cousin of magic BS top decking duelist. Yugi Moto himself is the best duelist.
to me what makes Joey so great can be broken down to this: he does the most with the least. by the end of Duelist Kingdom, if you give him Kaiba's deck, he's dog-walking the competition.
The thing about joey being 'Lucky' is that you only see him play Time Wizard when he's a play away from losing anyways. For someone so dumb, he understands exactly when to play Time Wizard. I also heavily agree with the 'stand-in' thing for multiple reasons, what you laid out is one, but I also think logic wise it makes sense. He always made the most sensible, observant plays with Graverobber, which allowed him to scale with his opponents as they play an extremely powerful card early on then leave themselves exposed for the rest of the duel for Joey to capitalize
12:09 I agree with the whole video, but this is the case killer. At the end of the show they say the Pharaoh never lost straight up duels. Which is canon, which would mean Joey didn’t beat him. It was likely close enough to where yugi told Joey “take this card bruh, geez” and Joey took it reluctantly but happily because they’re friends
I never paid attention to yugis and kaibas development i only focused on joey because he my favorite duelist
Joey's the best no argument here.
For the end of battle city I see it going one of two ways.
1: Yu-Gi battles without Atem's help. While still great, Yu-Gi is not the best yet ready to beat Atem and Joey is able to beat Yugi.
2: Yu-Gi and Atem battle together like normal, buy without God cards as Joey already proved himself against a God and they can still be dangerous even without a shadow game. Joey is able to fight to a draw or bring the duo to near defeat. While he didn't outright win, Joey has proved himself in both their eyes and Joey humbly accepts Red-Eyes back as he still has a connection to it like Yugi and Dark Magician.
I don't even need to watch this. I agree. I 100% agree. As I watch it anyway.
Non canon I know but the fact Hermos chose Joey to wield his power, to me I always thought that is the shining example of how great he really is. Never used God cards, millennium items, ties to Egypt etc just chosen because his strength of heart and skills as a duelist.
To be fair Gilford was a pseudo god card, 3 sacrifices, wipes the opponent’s field and nearly 3000 attack plus he got to keep it after battle city.
Joey was always my favorite and will forever be my favorite
Joey vs Valon (anime exclusive) was legendary
Facts! I’ve been saying this since forever