I'm glad to see manufacturer videos about this subject. I'm a huge fan of Network mode on my DEH-80PRS. The video doesn't explain why use it. The reason for me was huge system flexibility for one. Also it sounds 'unveiled'. The tweeters sound directly wired (well they are). Huge fan. Anyone who's an audio enthusiast should try it. I hope this powerful feature gets sufficient market use so it doesn't go by the wayside of future models.
So what about in front mid and tweets, rear couple of speakers and a sub on trunk? Im really still confused. Network mode or standard? Any help will be useful :)
Después de mucho experimentar, me decidí por el modo red, pienso que tiene mejor calidad de audio sobretodo en la definición de los tweeters, cosa que con el modo estándar no se distingue. Ahora me pregunto quien ganará? Pioneer en modo red o Kenwood.
I'm a huge fan too.. owned it for three years still tuning the sound until today.. never enough.. now I'm trying with network mode with a pair of tweeter, mid 4",mid 6" and a subwoofer, and i wired the mid 4" to the wire socket output which not with RCA.. how to mount it if I wanna it to be RCA output also? Thanks a lot
I was looking for this video by keywords bi or tri-amping which is what essentially network mode is. Please consider adding these keywords to a great video that explains clearly the above concepts.
Thank you. I added bi-amp and tri-amp to the key words. Here is another video on Pioneer standard/network mode that you may find helpful. th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html
Amazing, thank you very much for this. I have been trying make sense of the for a while now and I found this by mistake and boy, am I glad. Much appreciated 👍🏾
This video is great. I felt the price of the head unit I was looking at seemed a little steep. I had no idea it had this much control built into it. The price seems reasonable now. 👍
You can find more videos about setting up Standard Mode and network mode on Pioneer receivers here: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html or here: th-cam.com/video/k3q0Zm5jvHg/w-d-xo.html
Of course many things are system dependent. However, if a 24 db is possible, it's the place to start. You will always have a null at the crossover point when using a 12 db slope, Alternatively, one might use different slopes for each pass. Just make sure the crossover point happens at around a -6 db point as most systems use an LR style slope.
You really helped me understand a lot more when it comes to the crossover settings, but I have a couple more questions if you don't mind. 1. I have the AVIC NEX 8500. I have replaced my standard truck speakers with pioneer speakers. I am in standard mode. I have the pioneer TS WX 1300A subwoofer. 2. When it comes to setting the crossover points, should I be setting it to overlap a little, or to just meet at a certain cut off point? 3. I don't exactly understand the slope function.
I recommend to bring the crossover points from the HPF and LPF to the same setting. For example: 80 Hz for the HPF at 12 dB per octave and 80Hz for the LPF at 12 dB per octave. You are not necessarily wrong to overlap a little, however, the slope may be the overlap you are looking for. To understand the slope. You need to understand what an octave is. An octave in music is when we double the frequency, or when we cut the frequency in half. For example: From 50HZ to 100Hz is one octave. From 100Hz to 200HZ is one octave. The slope is measured in decibels per octave. The LPF or HPF cutoff doesn't cut to zero volume output at the chosen frequency. The output volume rolls off at a certain rate. This volume roll off is determined by the slope setting. For example: When using a low pass filter set to 80Hz and 12 dB per octave, the "volume" of playback through the subwoofer is 12 decibels lower one octave higher than the crossover point. So, at 160Hz, it's 12dB lower and at one more octave higher it's playback is another 12 dB lower.
I have the Pioneer AVH-x2800b HU. The reset option is greyed out..? I’m stuck in Network mode and need to be in standard mode. I disconnected the HU from the harness to try to reset it but to no avail. The reset is still greyed out and I am not getting the first language set up screen in order to get to the network /Standard page to choose “standard” mode. ? How can I fix this?
You can find more How To videos from Pioneer about Standard Mode and Network Mode here: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html and you can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Can you use the harness for speaker output and the RCA for sub output to an amplifier. Or does useage of any harness connectors disable RCA. The installation guide is not exactly clear on this.
If you are using the crossovers on the in-dash receiver, you won't need the crossovers on the amplifier. If possible switch the crossovers on the amplifier off. If it's not possible to switch the amplifier crossover off, I recommend to set the amp crossover at or near to the same frequency as the corresponding crossover setting on the in-dash receiver. You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here; th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Can I make the mid output in network mode in these new units play flat instead of -6,-12, -18, -24 db....I have the 80 prs and I am using it that way now...external tweeters in high @4,000hz, coaxials in mid as full range (80hz-20,000hz) I would use the new model in different vehicle but would use it in a similar fashion
Yes. The mid range output can be a straight pass through on the high pass filter or the low pass filter, or both the high pass and the low pass at the same time. It's a very flexible system.
The available crossover points for the high pass filter on the highs channel in network mode are not wide enough. Same with the low pass filter on the mids channel in network mode. We (the paying customers) are unable to do a cheap, easy, and effective midbass + wideband setup (which is superior in every way to a midbass and tweeter setup when you aim the wideband) or a midbass and midrange with a passive tweeter and passive tweeter crossover without buying a DSP and/or external amp. Please create and release a firmware/software update that we can install onto our compatible head units so there are lower crossover points available on the HPF highs channel and/or LPF mids channel for this express purpose. The minimum requirement would be another octave down at around ~600hz so a widebander can become usable, but 400hz is even better than that, and as low as 200hz-250hz is also useful if that widebander becomes a midrange with a passive tweeter. I need this. I'm not rich, I can't even spend $1000 on my whole build, but I still need this to work. And I'd be willing to bet many other people would use and appreciate this functionality.
Please be more specific with your question. What is the make and model number of the speakers you plan to use in the midbass + wideband setup? Please give an example. What is the designed frequency response of the speakers in the planned midbass + wideband setup? Do you want to operate the wideband speaker on the receiver's high output, the midbass on the receiver's midrange output? What do you plan to do for subwoofer output? Is that an external amplifier and subwoofer? Or does the mid bass play low enough?
@@pioneerelectronics My system is variable right now. I currently have a 2.5" driver that I intend to use as a midrange, and a 6.5midbass+0.75" tweeter component set that I intend to combine with the loose 2.5's to get the desired response. I planned to run the 2.5 and the tweeter on the highs channel crossed between 400-600hz and use the inline passive crossover that came with the tweeter to control that, then run the 6.5 on the mids channel playing with only a low pass filter starting at 400-600hz until I was able to get my subwoofer setup, which would take over the 20-80hz range or so. Sub setup was going to be two dayton ultimax 15's in an infinite baffle setup on 1600 watts RMS at 2ohms and I was just planning on running a bass knob so they wouldn't overpower the other speakers while I saved up again to do a proper 3-way active component build with DSP on the front stage later. The other option would be to chunk the idea for the front stage and just buy a Peerless SLS 8 midbass and pair it with an Audiofrog 2.5 or CDT es02 pods. Bottom line is that the crossover points allowed need to be lower for the high pass on the highs channels as well as lower for the low pass on the mids channels in order for anything like this to work. MUCH lower. AT LEAST 600hz, with 400hz being highly preferable and as low as 200hz being usable in a 3-way component with passive tweeter setup. If it's not possible to make a firmware update to do this, and you guys won't introduce it in your next gen head units, then I'll just be forced to build my own custom passive crossovers, which I recently learned is actually possible. The more you know, right?
The main point of the crossover and slope is to make sure the proper frequency groups are being routed to the proper speakers. For example: Only the high frequencies being sent to the tweeter. Only the mid range frequencies being sent to the mid range speaker, and only the low frequencies being sent to the subwoofer. We setup the crossover points as a way to route the signal to the correct speaker. I don't want the subwoofer in my system playing at 10kHz. And I don't want the tweeter in my trying to play notes of about 60 Hz. This will very likely destroy the tweeter. If you are using full range speakers like a 6.5 inch or 6x9 speakers with a built in tweeter and a separate subwoofer , you should probably use Standard Mode on the System. Set up your crossovers both HPF and LPF at about 80Hz with a 12 dB per octave slope. You can find more How To videos about Pioneer NEX receivers here: th-cam.com/video/KWaYfYk90IU/w-d-xo.html and you can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
In network mode are the subwoofer outputs in stereo or mono? I'm curious if I can run a full three way front stage with tweeters, midrange, and mid bass. I understand that you would loose individual midbass and TA adjustments.
In network mode the low outputs are mono outputs. There is only one speaker level output control for the low output. I don't have a full understanding of your design idea, so I'll just remind you to please be aware that some of the crossovers can be switched off to create a pass through on the High Pass or the Low Pass of a given output. I'm not sure if that will help with your specific idea.
On 1:29 he states that in Network mode the lower pair of RCAs is "Lower range", like he means it to be stereo. Howeres, I suppose that it's actually always Monaural, right? Is there a single head Unit on the market that supports full 3 way mode, with 3 pairs of stereo outputs?
i had to use a indash equalizer, soundstream mpq, with almost like network but with Knobs instead of "locked mode" as in headunits, fiddeling in menus and such
In pioneer DEH P 8650 MP having the same network mode and standard mode i will switch on network mode .then speaker level output what frequency will provide (means high mid or low) reply sir as soon as posible And plz make a video on pioneer deh p8650 mp complete video sir plz plz plz plx thanks alot
Please take a look at this video about Network Mode in Pioneer DEH-80PRS Audio settings. This is very similar operation to Pioneer DEH-P8650MP: th-cam.com/video/0nY4z0FZPD8/w-d-xo.html It's not exactly the same. It's very similar. It will help you. You can find the owner's manual for the Pioneer DEH-P860MP here: www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Car/DEH-P860MP_OperationManual020311.pdf You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Does anyone know if the internal amp of any this system models as well as the 80prs handles bridging connections of front/rear when wiring for 3way active? My system is wired individual speakers and currently running 80prs with crossovers and would like try 3way active with internal amp, but unsure if internal amp will handle 2ohm load of 2 speakers wired together
hi im trying to find out if i should be in network mode or standard i have the tweeters 4 door speakers and a sub in the back i also have the pioneer 5800bhs
My set up will be 4 tweeters on the high, left and right, 4 speakers on the mids left and 2 speakers on the mid right...my concern is the mids, would it sound off or can I just use the speaker volume level to balance the volume between the 4 and 2 speakers on the mid range? I have a Dodge charger, the 4 speakers is positioned(1 each front door, 1 each side back panel), the other 2 will be in a custom box at the back between 2 out of the 4 that's in the back panel....reason I want to use network mode is that I can set my crossover accordingly to my speakers specifications, the standard mode crossover settings aren't high enough.
Hi my friend. The last week I was changed my ahh/x8550bt for avh-z9250 bt and continue using the GMD-9250 amplifier. In agh-x8550bt everything worked ok, now on agh-z9250bt ma woofer sound low. So you have aolution about this problem, thank
I recommend to do a system restore on the AVH-Z9250BT and start with the audio settings all at zero. Set up the system from that point. Receiver models are different and they sound different. You have a new one. Start from the beginning and set things up your way.
i am interested in getting this receiver....i have been reading the manual to get an understanding.............my question is .....assuming i read the manual correctly that i have to auto eq first , before i can time align the drivers (high/mid/low mode).......this being said , after i auto-eq......can i still adjust the 13band eq (or bass and treble) on the fly....... or are the eq settings shut off????.........reason is........say a particular cd is recorded bass heavy or to much treble and i want to just correct that quickly......thanks
You can adjust the EQ when you want. You are not locked out. You can save and recall the Auto EQ and Auto Time alignment settings when you want. As a back up, I snap a photo on my phone of all settings.
Yes you can still use the speaker level outputs to power speakers. However, when used in Network mode, the speaker level outputs are not front and rear. All are considered to be front outputs. Keep in mind, all settings change the front speaker outputs and front RCA outputs the same way, and all setting change the rear speaker outputs and the rear RCA outputs the same way. Your particular model may be slightly different but, check out this video for more information on speaker level outputs when used in network mode: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html
The Pioneer DEH-S5250BT does not offer Network Mode. It has 2 sets of RCA outputs that can be set up as Front and Rear outputs or as Front and Subwoofer Outputs. You can see how this works on a similar receiver here: th-cam.com/video/4xf-rc9IEok/w-d-xo.html You can find a full playlist of How To videos from Pioneer with similar operation here: th-cam.com/video/dMsL-5uwogw/w-d-xo.html You can find the owner's manual for the Pioneer DEH-S5250BT here: www.pioneer.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DEH-S5250BT-Operation-Guide.pdf You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
I recommend to set the speaker level to 0 or lower for best sound quality. This is a long answer, if you are interested to learn more, please keep reading. This is a long answer. Please take a few minutes to read the entire answer. Setting the gain control is easy. Don't be afraid of it. There is no one perfect amplifier gain setting. If there was, the amplifiers would be set that way at the factory. All audio systems are different and you need to adjust the gain control for good performance with your particular system. The amplifier's gain control is used to balance the output signal from the in-dash receiver with the input on the subwoofer amplifier. Too much gain will cause distortion, or noise in the subwoofer's output. This can damage or destroy the subwoofer. Not enough gain, and the subwoofer output will be too low and not deliver the performance you want. You use the gain control to find the balance. The way to get sharp and clear audio is to deliver a clean signal, not a distorted signal, to the amplifier. For the initial setup, disconnect the subwoofer so it does not power on. If you want to set the gain control, you need to start with the in-dash receiver. Turn all of the receiver's settings to zero. That means EQ set to flat, bass boost, loudness off, speaker levels set to zero, every audio setting that changes how loud the system is get's set to zero to start. Once you have all the settings to zero, choose an audio source with your favorite music. I like to use USB or CD as my test music source. Even your favorite FM radio station will work. I don't recommend using Bluetooth Audio as the test source. Bluetooth Audio has it's own gain settings to worry about. On your favorite song, slowly turn up the master volume on the audio system. Remember, the subwoofer should be off for this part of the setup. Slowly, turn up the master volume on the receiver until you begin to hear noise or distortion coming from the speakers. With all of the audio settings set to zero, you should be able to turn the volume up near it's maximum before you hear noise or distortion. Now, turn the volume back a little lower just to be safe. Take note of this volume level number on this particular audio source. This is the max clean output you can expect from the in-dash receiver, and it's the output level you'll use to set the gain on the subwoofer amplifier. Now turn the volume level back down to zero and turn the system off. Connect your subwoofer so it will power on with the rest of the system, and power on the system. At this point the audio system should be on and the subwoofer should be on. On the subwoofer amplifier set the gain control to mid way. Go to the receiver on the same test music source and turn up the master volume to about 30% of the max clean output. Now go to the subwoofer amplifier and slowly adjust the gain control. Turn the gain control clockwise and take note of the output of the subwoofer when the gain is turned clockwise. Is it louder? Or is it quieter? Now slowly turn the gain control counter clockwise, past mid way all the way down. Is the subwoofer's output louder? or quieter? Turning one way will make the subwoofer louder, and the other way will make the subwoofer quieter. This is important to understand. Remember, the gain control is not a volume control. The amplifier's gain control is used to balance the output signal from the in-dash receiver with the input on the subwoofer amplifier. Too much gain will cause distortion, or noise in the subwoofer's output. Not enough gain, and the subwoofer output will be too low and not deliver the performance you want. You use the gain control to find the balance. Now raise the receiver's master volume control to the max clean output. Go to the subwoofer and adjust the gain control so that you get good output performance but do not at any time hear distortion or noise coming from the subwoofer. When you hear noise or distortion turn the gain back just a bit. If you're hearing distortion or noise you can damage or destroy the subwoofer. Don't be afraid to drive around for a day or two and then make a small adjustment to the gain control. However, once you've made your gain control setting correctly, they should be left alone. As for the Phase switch, try both normal and reverse. One of these settings may sound significantly better than the other in your particular vehicle. Try normal first. Drive around for a few days and take note of what you are hearing. Then switch to reverse phase. Drive around for a few days and take note of what you are hearing. Choose the one that sounds best to you. If you don't hear a difference in your vehicle, set it to normal and don't worry about it. Audio, is a fun hobby that can last a lifetime. You can't learn all there is to know in the same day. There is quite a lot to it. Every system and situation can be very different. Be patient and learn a little at a time. Use what you've learned to make a better audio system and continue the process. If you'd like to learn more about crossover settings and slopes for crossovers, take a look at this video: th-cam.com/video/WvJXYh6vk_0/w-d-xo.html You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
@@pioneerelectronics thanks really a lot for a so detailed response, really big thanks. I will for sure study and apply your precious advice A part of the gain setting for subwoofer, what about setting gain for the front? Should also the front right and front left speaker level be at 0 while gain setting. Thank you so much
I recommend to set them all to 0 to start. I used a subwoofer as an example. All of the outputs should be treated the same as the subwoofer with respect to setting up the gain on an external amp.
@@pioneerelectronics thank you so much, so the Preout maximum output level: 2.0 V, of my mvh-s420bt is at speaker level 0 or 10? Thanks really a lot for your kind support
Switch the crossovers on the amp, both A channel, and B channel, off. Then it does not really matter. A 4 channel amp can be seen as two 2 channel amps held in one box. With the crossovers switched off, Both the A channel and the B channel can play full range.
How does this work with 1 pair of tweeters, 4 door speakers (front and rear) and a sub off of one 4 channel amp? Do the tweeters get connected to the front output, and the 4 door speakers get connected to the rear output on the amp to get a 2 ohm load and sub to the sub? how would the time alignment work with that?
If you are using one 4 channel amp, to operate 1 pair of tweeters, 2 pair of door speakers, and a subwoofer, I recommend you use Standard Mode output and use external crossovers for your speakers. This will set the in dash receiver RCA outputs to Front, Rear, and Sub output. Time Alignment will be available for any given RCA output from the in dash receiver. That means all of the speakers you have connected to any given output from the amp will be time aligned to the same position. In the Network Mode demonstration above, a 5 channel amplifier is being used. The "A" Channel is operating the tweeters, the "B" channel is operating the mid bass drivers, and the "Sub" channel is operating the woofer. All are using the crossovers built into the in dash receiver. You could achieve the same effect with a 4 channel amp and a separate sub amp.
With two amps you have many more options to use Network Mode. Your first option, and for best sound quality, don't use rear door speakers at all. This will remove your question about time alignment. If you want to use the rear door speakers, I would recommend to put them on the amplifier's "B" channel connected to the mid range output from the in dash receiver. This will mean front and rear door speakers will be connected to the same output in a 2 ohm configuration. This may require an adjustment on the in dash receiver in the speaker level settings to lower the output of the mid range speakers to better match up with the output of the tweeters and sub. For best sound quality, don't try to raise the output of the tweeters or the sub. Lower the output of the mid range. For time alignment, measure the distance to both speakers on a given side and enter a number in between the two measurements. Or as I mentioned before, for best sound quality, don't use the rear door speakers at all.
@@deckerdotto6035 ok I gotcha. I'll sacrifice time alignment but the crossover network will still work. I just may have no highs in the rear coaxial but I'm not too worried it's just for a rear full. If I use the rears anyway. I appreciate your replies!
Guys, any update to this? Any 2017 or 2018 models supporting this? Current list: AVH-X1800S; AVH-X2800BS, AVH-X3800BHS; AVH-X4800BS, AVH-X5800BHS, AVH-X6800DVD; AVH-X7800BT.
Many Pioneer in dash receivers, both Audio only units and Audio/Video units, have Standard Mode / Network Mode operation. Here are a few audio only models: DEH-S6000BS, FH-S700BS, MVH-S501BS. Here is an unboxing video: th-cam.com/video/6A17mJ2HoH8/w-d-xo.html Here are a few Audio Video models: AVH-500EX, AVH-600EX, AVH-2400NEX, AVH-1400NEX, AVH-W4400NEX. Here is an unboxing video: th-cam.com/video/Dg3LTbgd__k/w-d-xo.html You can find some additional information about Standard Mode and Network Mode here: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html And you can find additional information about audio only models with Standard Mode/Network Mode here: th-cam.com/video/k3q0Zm5jvHg/w-d-xo.html You may also want to check out the Pioneer DEH-80PRS seen here: th-cam.com/video/4Ix3u758p9c/w-d-xo.html and the advanced audio controls shown here: th-cam.com/video/0nY4z0FZPD8/w-d-xo.html
Yes, you are understanding well. When using an in-dash receiver like the Pioneer AVH-X5800BHS and you use the crossover built into the receiver, you don't need to use the crossover on the amplifier. For example: With the receiver's subwoofer LPF crossover set to 80 Hz, there is no need to use the crossover on the subwoofer amplifier. This can be the same for full range speakers, for example 16 cm speakers in the doors. Set the HPF crossover on the in-dash receiver's front and rear outputs to 80Hz and there is no need to use a crossover on the amplifier powering these speakers. You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
A CD receiver like the DEH-S5200BT has 3 sets of RCA outputs. They are Front, Rear, and Subwoofer outputs. Each of the RCA outputs has a crossover. This is Standard Mode. There is no option for Network Mode. Please use the Pioneer Smart Sync App to set up the crossovers for these outputs. You can see it on a similar receiver here: th-cam.com/video/b5DmuSMc04E/w-d-xo.html
Ok , I got GM-D9604 and GM-D8604 , with AVH-Z5050BT pioneer HU , I want to ask about the gain , should I set the gain at H for all gains and Handle , or I have to use one these distortions detectors devices ?!, and if I want to use my passive crossovers to save free channel for other speakers should I set the amp crossover off , and last thing should I set the amp crossover off for the rear and the sub as well and handle the crossover setting using my Pioneer HU ?! , tyvm
When connecting a Pioneer AVH-Z5050BT to a Pioneer GM-D9601 or GM-D8604 I recommend the "H" setting for the gain control on both amplifiers. However, this is only a recommended setting and a place to start to tune your personal system. If you are listening to your favorite music and you are hearing distortion, roll the gain back a little until you don't hear distortion. If you are hearing distortion, you could be damaging your speakers. You can also use the speaker level settings shown in this video to lower the level of any given output. For best sound quality, the amplifier gain should be set to "H" and in the in dash receiver speaker level settings should be set to Zero or lower. th-cam.com/video/WvJXYh6vk_0/w-d-xo.html In most cases, if you are using the crossover built into the in dash receiver, the amplifier crossover should be switched off. In most cases if you are using a passive crossover on a two speaker system, for example a mid bass driver and tweeter combination, the amplifier crossover should be switched off and the in dash receiver crossover should be switched off. Or the in dash receiver crossover should use a high pass filter set to a fairly low crossover point such as 80 Hz for example. For the sub output, if you are using the in dash receiver crossover then you should switch off the amplifier crossover if possible. If you can't switch off the amplifier crossover in your setup, be sure to check the phase control on the subwoofer output. In some setups, the phase control can dramatically effect output from the subwoofer. Choose the one that works best for you.
I have a bridged amplifier for my subwoofer ( amplifier channel 1-2 bridged ), can i just use 1 level output from head unit to the amplifier for the bridged channel to use active subwoofer crossovers? I'm kinda confused
What Pioneer in-dash receiver model number do you have? You can usually find the model number printed near the corner of the face of the in-dash receiver. I understand you have a subwoofer. Are you also using component speakers in the front of the vehicle? Or are you using a front and rear setup? How you are using the midrange and tweeters in your system will determine the best way to set up the system with Standard Mode and Network mode for the subwoofer output. You can learn more about Standard Mode and Network mode in this video: th-cam.com/video/TzCGdtiSXec/w-d-xo.html You can find more videos on Pioneer's You Tube Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
@@deckerdotto6035 I am using Pioneer DEH-80PRS, using component speakers (a set of tweeter and a set of mid range) infront and a subwoofer. Planning to use network mode so I don't have to use the rear speakers. I am using 4 channel amps, and 2 channels are bridged to power the subwoofer on the rear.
Let me understand your plan and please correct me if I have it wrong. You are planning to use one amplifier with four channels. The "A" channel of the 4 channel amplifier will operate the component set of Tweeters and midrange. And the "B" channel of the 4 channel amplifier is operating the subwoofer. If I understand that correctly, you'll be using the external passive crossover that came with the Tweeter and midrange package. If that's the case, you may be better off using Standard Mode on the DEH-80PRS. This way you can set the HPF on the Front RCA outputs to a crossover point for example 80Hz and let the external passive crossover on the component package handle the tweeter crossover. You'll use the LPF setting on the subwoofer output set to 80Hz and you can run the Subwoofer RCA outputs from the DEH-80PRS to the "B" channel of the 4 channel amp and bridge it as necessary. If you were using a single 5 channel amplifier - or - a 4 channel amp with an additional subwoofer amplifier this could work out differently. You could set up the DEH-80PRS in Network Mode and run the High RCA's to the "A" Channel for the tweeters. Run the Mid-range RCA's to the "B" channel for the mids, and run the subwoofer RCA's to the sub amp for the woofer. This would eliminate the need for the external passive crossover included with the component speaker mid range/tweeter package.
@@deckerdotto6035 Yes Sir, that is correct for the set up of the components. But what if I use network mode, and connect the high's RCA output to the tweeters infront directly from DEH-80PRS ( since the tweeters can only handle 5rms - 60rms max ), the mid RCA outputs connected to the A channel amplifier for the mid range ( not bridged ), and the low RCA outputs to the B channel ( bridged ) on the amplifier? Is that possible? And thank you very much for the explanation, it was very very clear Sir!
Please allow me to be clear. You can't connect the tweeters directly to the front RCA outputs of the in-dash receiver. That won't work. The RCA outputs are for sending the audio signal to an external amplifier. The RCA's won't drive the tweeters by themselves. You can connect the High Speaker Level Outputs directly to the tweeters. Be sure to set up network mode with the High Output HPF set to around 5kHz. You can adjust it from there. When using Network Mode, the High Speaker Level Outputs are crossed over the same as the High RCA outputs. Be sure you are using the correct speaker level outputs. You can learn more about wiring your Pioneer DEH-80PRS speaker level outputs here: th-cam.com/video/kR2MO2kwFug/w-d-xo.html The rest of the set up should work fine. To learn more about how network mode works please watch this video with sound: th-cam.com/video/k3q0Zm5jvHg/w-d-xo.html
Hello, I have a DEH-X5900BT player. I use standard mode. LPF and HPF at 80Hz. I want to ask something. One the subwoofer set to ON, does the EQ work also for the sub? It seems is working only from the other speakers. What is under the LPF (sub) is not affected by my modifications. Can anybody confirm this? Thanks.
Please answer a few questions. What is your music source for your test? CD? USB with a WAV file? or some other source like Bluetooth or MP3? Are you sure the music you are listening to for your test has information below 80Hz that can be adjusted? Not all songs have information that low. If there is no music there, EQ settings won't matter. If you are listening through Bluetooth, what is the original source of the music? If it's a low quality recording, again, there is a possibility of little or no music below 80Hz. If you are listening to a streaming source similar to Spotify, are you using a high quality feed into your phone? A lower quality feed may not provide the low frequency information. Did you try a test disc with different defined test frequencies? You say above that the output is not affected by the modification to the EQ. How do you know? What are you using to measure the output? Are you simply listening or are you using an RTA similar to the one shown in the video above, or an oscilloscope, or some other measurement device? On the DEH-X5900BT the EQ frequencies at 80 and lower are 50Hz and 80Hz. These are the center frequencies for adjustment. The 50Hz setting will have some effect on frequencies from about 35Hz to about 63Hz with 50 being the center. And the 80Hz setting will have some effect on frequencies from about 63Hz to about 100Hz with 80 being the center. For example: This means the further away you get from the 80Hz center frequency, the less the measurable effect. Think of a bell curve with the peak being at the center of each frequency adjustment on the EQ. When adjusting the 80Hz setting the effect at 63Hz is minimal. The Pioneer DEH-X5900BT also has a Bass Boost setting that is centered at about 63Hz. How is the Bass Boost set? This can effect the overall output. Additionally, the settings will eventually max out. For example, if I have the 80Hz EQ setting to +6 and the Bass Boost setting to +12 and the speaker level setting for the subwoofer to +10, at some point there is no additional increase. Put all of the settings to zero and try again to adjust the EQ. Can you measure a difference? You can find more videos on Pioneer's You Tube Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
To Pioneer Electronics: Rather than using a video to push your other inventory items to sell why don't you take the time and show a basic method to set up this deck that all users can profit from. That being: setting the DEH-80 so we can get the quality sound quality we paid for. Now I know you think this video did just that, but you are incorrect. I would bet over half, if not more, of the owners of this head unit have not set it up properly due to the confusing and uncertain instructions provided. Never have I read anything as ambiguous as what you think these instructions provide. There are so many set up ways available to owners that are not dealt with by way of instructions or diagrams. Make it user friendly, you might even see an increase in sales!
Please watch this video for DEH-80PRS Advanced Audio Settings: th-cam.com/video/0nY4z0FZPD8/w-d-xo.html Please watch this video for DEH-80PRS Standard Mode or Network Mode: th-cam.com/video/4Ix3u758p9c/w-d-xo.html
No. The Pioneer AVH-X8700BT does not have network mode. It has 3 sets of RCA outputs and you can use an independent HPF on the front and rear outputs and an independent LPF on the subwoofer output. You can see the operation on a similar Pioneer receiver here: th-cam.com/video/j6W_PBHJ5AM/w-d-xo.html and you can see the subwoofer setup here: th-cam.com/video/il4JKe6_kqQ/w-d-xo.html You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
I have 4 Fronts, 2 Rears and sub but my 2 front door speakers wont work in standard mode but they worked before I install the AVH-2800BS..Am I in the right mode??
Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html AVH-X2800BS is not listed but it's operation is very similar. This video explains Network Mode and Standard Mode output.
I'm glad to see manufacturer videos about this subject. I'm a huge fan of Network mode on my DEH-80PRS. The video doesn't explain why use it. The reason for me was huge system flexibility for one. Also it sounds 'unveiled'. The tweeters sound directly wired (well they are). Huge fan. Anyone who's an audio enthusiast should try it. I hope this powerful feature gets sufficient market use so it doesn't go by the wayside of future models.
So what about in front mid and tweets, rear couple of speakers and a sub on trunk? Im really still confused. Network mode or standard? Any help will be useful :)
Después de mucho experimentar, me decidí por el modo red, pienso que tiene mejor calidad de audio sobretodo en la definición de los tweeters, cosa que con el modo estándar no se distingue. Ahora me pregunto quien ganará? Pioneer en modo red o Kenwood.
I'm a huge fan too.. owned it for three years still tuning the sound until today.. never enough.. now I'm trying with network mode with a pair of tweeter, mid 4",mid 6" and a subwoofer, and i wired the mid 4" to the wire socket output which not with RCA.. how to mount it if I wanna it to be RCA output also? Thanks a lot
I was looking for this video by keywords bi or tri-amping which is what essentially network mode is. Please consider adding these keywords to a great video that explains clearly the above concepts.
Thank you. I added bi-amp and tri-amp to the key words. Here is another video on Pioneer standard/network mode that you may find helpful. th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html
Amazing, thank you very much for this. I have been trying make sense of the for a while now and I found this by mistake and boy, am I glad. Much appreciated 👍🏾
This video is great. I felt the price of the head unit I was looking at seemed a little steep. I had no idea it had this much control built into it. The price seems reasonable now. 👍
You can find more videos about setting up Standard Mode and network mode on Pioneer receivers here: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html or here: th-cam.com/video/k3q0Zm5jvHg/w-d-xo.html
Huge help and explains everything very well. Great video, thank you.
Of course many things are system dependent. However, if a 24 db is possible, it's the place to start. You will always have a null at the crossover point when using a 12 db slope, Alternatively, one might use different slopes for each pass. Just make sure the crossover point happens at around a -6 db point as most systems use an LR style slope.
You really helped me understand a lot more when it comes to the crossover settings, but I have a couple more questions if you don't mind.
1. I have the AVIC NEX 8500. I have replaced my standard truck speakers with pioneer speakers. I am in standard mode. I have the pioneer TS WX 1300A subwoofer.
2. When it comes to setting the crossover points, should I be setting it to overlap a little, or to just meet at a certain cut off point?
3. I don't exactly understand the slope function.
I recommend to bring the crossover points from the HPF and LPF to the same setting. For example: 80 Hz for the HPF at 12 dB per octave and 80Hz for the LPF at 12 dB per octave. You are not necessarily wrong to overlap a little, however, the slope may be the overlap you are looking for.
To understand the slope. You need to understand what an octave is. An octave in music is when we double the frequency, or when we cut the frequency in half. For example: From 50HZ to 100Hz is one octave. From 100Hz to 200HZ is one octave. The slope is measured in decibels per octave.
The LPF or HPF cutoff doesn't cut to zero volume output at the chosen frequency. The output volume rolls off at a certain rate. This volume roll off is determined by the slope setting. For example: When using a low pass filter set to 80Hz and 12 dB per octave, the "volume" of playback through the subwoofer is 12 decibels lower one octave higher than the crossover point. So, at 160Hz, it's 12dB lower and at one more octave higher it's playback is another 12 dB lower.
@@deckerdotto6035 you're absolutely great. Thanks for the breakdown. Have a great one.
I have the Pioneer AVH-x2800b HU. The reset option is greyed out..? I’m stuck in Network mode and need to be in standard mode. I disconnected the HU from the harness to try to reset it but to no avail. The reset is still greyed out and I am not getting the first language set up screen in order to get to the network /Standard page to choose “standard” mode. ? How can I fix this?
Very informative! Thank you!
You sir are a genius
You can find more How To videos from Pioneer about Standard Mode and Network Mode here: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html and you can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Can you use the harness for speaker output and the RCA for sub output to an amplifier. Or does useage of any harness connectors disable RCA. The installation guide is not exactly clear on this.
Wonderful explaination but how did you set your amp since you didn't use the amp crossover?
If you are using the crossovers on the in-dash receiver, you won't need the crossovers on the amplifier. If possible switch the crossovers on the amplifier off. If it's not possible to switch the amplifier crossover off, I recommend to set the amp crossover at or near to the same frequency as the corresponding crossover setting on the in-dash receiver. You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here; th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Very well explained
My question is why haven't they released a new head unit like the 80prs with High Fi audio capability...
because you can still buy the 80prs?? also the newer models have flac support
Very Nice Video!
Can I make the mid output in network mode in these new units play flat instead of -6,-12, -18, -24 db....I have the 80 prs and I am using it that way now...external tweeters in high @4,000hz, coaxials in mid as full range (80hz-20,000hz) I would use the new model in different vehicle but would use it in a similar fashion
Yes. The mid range output can be a straight pass through on the high pass filter or the low pass filter, or both the high pass and the low pass at the same time. It's a very flexible system.
The available crossover points for the high pass filter on the highs channel in network mode are not wide enough. Same with the low pass filter on the mids channel in network mode. We (the paying customers) are unable to do a cheap, easy, and effective midbass + wideband setup (which is superior in every way to a midbass and tweeter setup when you aim the wideband) or a midbass and midrange with a passive tweeter and passive tweeter crossover without buying a DSP and/or external amp.
Please create and release a firmware/software update that we can install onto our compatible head units so there are lower crossover points available on the HPF highs channel and/or LPF mids channel for this express purpose. The minimum requirement would be another octave down at around ~600hz so a widebander can become usable, but 400hz is even better than that, and as low as 200hz-250hz is also useful if that widebander becomes a midrange with a passive tweeter.
I need this. I'm not rich, I can't even spend $1000 on my whole build, but I still need this to work. And I'd be willing to bet many other people would use and appreciate this functionality.
Please be more specific with your question. What is the make and model number of the speakers you plan to use in the midbass + wideband setup?
Please give an example. What is the designed frequency response of the speakers in the planned midbass + wideband setup?
Do you want to operate the wideband speaker on the receiver's high output, the midbass on the receiver's midrange output? What do you plan to do for subwoofer output? Is that an external amplifier and subwoofer? Or does the mid bass play low enough?
@@pioneerelectronics My system is variable right now. I currently have a 2.5" driver that I intend to use as a midrange, and a 6.5midbass+0.75" tweeter component set that I intend to combine with the loose 2.5's to get the desired response. I planned to run the 2.5 and the tweeter on the highs channel crossed between 400-600hz and use the inline passive crossover that came with the tweeter to control that, then run the 6.5 on the mids channel playing with only a low pass filter starting at 400-600hz until I was able to get my subwoofer setup, which would take over the 20-80hz range or so.
Sub setup was going to be two dayton ultimax 15's in an infinite baffle setup on 1600 watts RMS at 2ohms and I was just planning on running a bass knob so they wouldn't overpower the other speakers while I saved up again to do a proper 3-way active component build with DSP on the front stage later.
The other option would be to chunk the idea for the front stage and just buy a Peerless SLS 8 midbass and pair it with an Audiofrog 2.5 or CDT es02 pods. Bottom line is that the crossover points allowed need to be lower for the high pass on the highs channels as well as lower for the low pass on the mids channels in order for anything like this to work. MUCH lower. AT LEAST 600hz, with 400hz being highly preferable and as low as 200hz being usable in a 3-way component with passive tweeter setup.
If it's not possible to make a firmware update to do this, and you guys won't introduce it in your next gen head units, then I'll just be forced to build my own custom passive crossovers, which I recently learned is actually possible. The more you know, right?
I understand x.over but what is the main point of this feature? Is it to tune your audio system by ear using cutoffs?
The main point of the crossover and slope is to make sure the proper frequency groups are being routed to the proper speakers. For example: Only the high frequencies being sent to the tweeter. Only the mid range frequencies being sent to the mid range speaker, and only the low frequencies being sent to the subwoofer. We setup the crossover points as a way to route the signal to the correct speaker. I don't want the subwoofer in my system playing at 10kHz. And I don't want the tweeter in my trying to play notes of about 60 Hz. This will very likely destroy the tweeter. If you are using full range speakers like a 6.5 inch or 6x9 speakers with a built in tweeter and a separate subwoofer , you should probably use Standard Mode on the System. Set up your crossovers both HPF and LPF at about 80Hz with a 12 dB per octave slope. You can find more How To videos about Pioneer NEX receivers here: th-cam.com/video/KWaYfYk90IU/w-d-xo.html and you can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
In network mode are the subwoofer outputs in stereo or mono? I'm curious if I can run a full three way front stage with tweeters, midrange, and mid bass. I understand that you would loose individual midbass and TA adjustments.
In network mode the low outputs are mono outputs. There is only one speaker level output control for the low output.
I don't have a full understanding of your design idea, so I'll just remind you to please be aware that some of the crossovers can be switched off to create a pass through on the High Pass or the Low Pass of a given output. I'm not sure if that will help with your specific idea.
Deckerd Otto
I guesse what I'm asking is are the subwoofer outputs stereo or mono?
Oops.. sorry. I read your reply in a hurry... thanks for the reply.
On 1:29 he states that in Network mode the lower pair of RCAs is "Lower range", like he means it to be stereo. Howeres, I suppose that it's actually always Monaural, right? Is there a single head Unit on the market that supports full 3 way mode, with 3 pairs of stereo outputs?
i had to use a indash equalizer, soundstream mpq, with almost like network but with Knobs instead of "locked mode" as in headunits, fiddeling in menus and such
In pioneer DEH P 8650 MP having the same network mode and standard mode i will switch on network mode .then speaker level output what frequency will provide (means high mid or low) reply sir as soon as posible
And plz make a video on pioneer deh p8650 mp complete video sir plz plz plz plx thanks alot
Please take a look at this video about Network Mode in Pioneer DEH-80PRS Audio settings. This is very similar operation to Pioneer DEH-P8650MP: th-cam.com/video/0nY4z0FZPD8/w-d-xo.html
It's not exactly the same. It's very similar. It will help you.
You can find the owner's manual for the Pioneer DEH-P860MP here: www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Car/DEH-P860MP_OperationManual020311.pdf You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Does anyone know if the internal amp of any this system models as well as the 80prs handles bridging connections of front/rear when wiring for 3way active? My system is wired individual speakers and currently running 80prs with crossovers and would like try 3way active with internal amp, but unsure if internal amp will handle 2ohm load of 2 speakers wired together
hi im trying to find out if i should be in network mode or standard i have the tweeters 4 door speakers and a sub in the back i also have the pioneer 5800bhs
Are you using external amplifiers?
My set up will be 4 tweeters on the high, left and right, 4 speakers on the mids left and 2 speakers on the mid right...my concern is the mids, would it sound off or can I just use the speaker volume level to balance the volume between the 4 and 2 speakers on the mid range? I have a Dodge charger, the 4 speakers is positioned(1 each front door, 1 each side back panel), the other 2 will be in a custom box at the back between 2 out of the 4 that's in the back panel....reason I want to use network mode is that I can set my crossover accordingly to my speakers specifications, the standard mode crossover settings aren't high enough.
In a set up like this, I would try to use the speaker level control to balance the output among all of the speakers.
That would be totally insane, not recommended. For such situations you should consult professional car audio installation specialists.
Hi my friend. The last week I was changed my ahh/x8550bt for avh-z9250 bt and continue using the GMD-9250 amplifier. In agh-x8550bt everything worked ok, now on agh-z9250bt ma woofer sound low. So you have aolution about this problem, thank
I recommend to do a system restore on the AVH-Z9250BT and start with the audio settings all at zero. Set up the system from that point. Receiver models are different and they sound different. You have a new one. Start from the beginning and set things up your way.
Deckerd Otto thanks
i am interested in getting this receiver....i have been reading the manual to get an understanding.............my question is .....assuming i read the manual correctly that i have to auto eq first , before i can time align the drivers (high/mid/low mode).......this being said , after i auto-eq......can i still adjust the 13band eq (or bass and treble) on the fly....... or are the eq settings shut off????.........reason is........say a particular cd is recorded bass heavy or to much treble and i want to just correct that quickly......thanks
You can adjust the EQ when you want. You are not locked out. You can save and recall the Auto EQ and Auto Time alignment settings when you want. As a back up, I snap a photo on my phone of all settings.
I want use this headunit in network mode. Can I still power rear speakers with head unit power?
Yes you can still use the speaker level outputs to power speakers. However, when used in Network mode, the speaker level outputs are not front and rear. All are considered to be front outputs. Keep in mind, all settings change the front speaker outputs and front RCA outputs the same way, and all setting change the rear speaker outputs and the rear RCA outputs the same way. Your particular model may be slightly different but, check out this video for more information on speaker level outputs when used in network mode: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html
how to switch between network and standard in pioneer deh-s5250bt
The Pioneer DEH-S5250BT does not offer Network Mode. It has 2 sets of RCA outputs that can be set up as Front and Rear outputs or as Front and Subwoofer Outputs. You can see how this works on a similar receiver here: th-cam.com/video/4xf-rc9IEok/w-d-xo.html You can find a full playlist of How To videos from Pioneer with similar operation here: th-cam.com/video/dMsL-5uwogw/w-d-xo.html You can find the owner's manual for the Pioneer DEH-S5250BT here: www.pioneer.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DEH-S5250BT-Operation-Guide.pdf You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Hello, would you please help me to understand if the Speaker level, need to be at 0 or 10 while the amplifiier gain setup? Thanks a lot in advance
I recommend to set the speaker level to 0 or lower for best sound quality. This is a long answer, if you are interested to learn more, please keep reading.
This is a long answer. Please take a few minutes to read the entire answer. Setting the gain control is easy. Don't be afraid of it. There is no one perfect amplifier gain setting. If there was, the amplifiers would be set that way at the factory. All audio systems are different and you need to adjust the gain control for good performance with your particular system. The amplifier's gain control is used to balance the output signal from the in-dash receiver with the input on the subwoofer amplifier. Too much gain will cause distortion, or noise in the subwoofer's output. This can damage or destroy the subwoofer. Not enough gain, and the subwoofer output will be too low and not deliver the performance you want.
You use the gain control to find the balance. The way to get sharp and clear audio is to deliver a clean signal, not a distorted signal, to the amplifier.
For the initial setup, disconnect the subwoofer so it does not power on. If you want to set the gain control, you need to start with the in-dash receiver. Turn all of the receiver's settings to zero.
That means EQ set to flat, bass boost, loudness off, speaker levels set to zero, every audio setting that changes how loud the system is get's set to zero to start.
Once you have all the settings to zero, choose an audio source with your favorite music. I like to use USB or CD as my test music source. Even your favorite FM radio station will work. I don't recommend using Bluetooth Audio as the test source. Bluetooth Audio has it's own gain settings to worry about.
On your favorite song, slowly turn up the master volume on the audio system. Remember, the subwoofer should be off for this part of the setup. Slowly, turn up the master volume on the receiver until you begin to hear noise or distortion coming from the speakers. With all of the audio settings set to zero, you should be able to turn the volume up near it's maximum before you hear noise or distortion.
Now, turn the volume back a little lower just to be safe. Take note of this volume level number on this particular audio source. This is the max clean output you can expect from the in-dash receiver, and it's the output level you'll use to set the gain on the subwoofer amplifier.
Now turn the volume level back down to zero and turn the system off. Connect your subwoofer so it will power on with the rest of the system, and power on the system.
At this point the audio system should be on and the subwoofer should be on. On the subwoofer amplifier set the gain control to mid way. Go to the receiver on the same test music source and turn up the master volume to about 30% of the max clean output. Now go to the subwoofer amplifier and slowly adjust the gain control. Turn the gain control clockwise and take note of the output of the subwoofer when the gain is turned clockwise. Is it louder? Or is it quieter?
Now slowly turn the gain control counter clockwise, past mid way all the way down. Is the subwoofer's output louder? or quieter? Turning one way will make the subwoofer louder, and the other way will make the subwoofer quieter.
This is important to understand. Remember, the gain control is not a volume control. The amplifier's gain control is used to balance the output signal from the in-dash receiver with the input on the subwoofer amplifier. Too much gain will cause distortion, or noise in the subwoofer's output. Not enough gain, and the subwoofer output will be too low and not deliver the performance you want. You use the gain control to find the balance.
Now raise the receiver's master volume control to the max clean output. Go to the subwoofer and adjust the gain control so that you get good output performance but do not at any time hear distortion or noise coming from the subwoofer. When you hear noise or distortion turn the gain back just a bit. If you're hearing distortion or noise you can damage or destroy the subwoofer. Don't be afraid to drive around for a day or two and then make a small adjustment to the gain control. However, once you've made your gain control setting correctly, they should be left alone.
As for the Phase switch, try both normal and reverse. One of these settings may sound significantly better than the other in your particular vehicle. Try normal first. Drive around for a few days and take note of what you are hearing. Then switch to reverse phase. Drive around for a few days and take note of what you are hearing. Choose the one that sounds best to you. If you don't hear a difference in your vehicle, set it to normal and don't worry about it.
Audio, is a fun hobby that can last a lifetime. You can't learn all there is to know in the same day. There is quite a lot to it. Every system and situation can be very different. Be patient and learn a little at a time. Use what you've learned to make a better audio system and continue the process. If you'd like to learn more about crossover settings and slopes for crossovers, take a look at this video: th-cam.com/video/WvJXYh6vk_0/w-d-xo.html You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
@@pioneerelectronics thanks really a lot for a so detailed response, really big thanks.
I will for sure study and apply your precious advice
A part of the gain setting for subwoofer, what about setting gain for the front? Should also the front right and front left speaker level be at 0 while gain setting.
Thank you so much
I recommend to set them all to 0 to start. I used a subwoofer as an example. All of the outputs should be treated the same as the subwoofer with respect to setting up the gain on an external amp.
@@pioneerelectronics thank you so much, so the Preout maximum output level: 2.0 V, of my mvh-s420bt is at speaker level 0 or 10?
Thanks really a lot for your kind support
I'm using the 80prs in active mode and using the gm 8604 4 which channel do I put the tweeters on
Switch the crossovers on the amp, both A channel, and B channel, off. Then it does not really matter. A 4 channel amp can be seen as two 2 channel amps held in one box. With the crossovers switched off, Both the A channel and the B channel can play full range.
How does this work with 1 pair of tweeters, 4 door speakers (front and rear) and a sub off of one 4 channel amp? Do the tweeters get connected to the front output, and the 4 door speakers get connected to the rear output on the amp to get a 2 ohm load and sub to the sub? how would the time alignment work with that?
If you are using one 4 channel amp, to operate 1 pair of tweeters, 2 pair of door speakers, and a subwoofer, I recommend you use Standard Mode output and use external crossovers for your speakers. This will set the in dash receiver RCA outputs to Front, Rear, and Sub output. Time Alignment will be available for any given RCA output from the in dash receiver. That means all of the speakers you have connected to any given output from the amp will be time aligned to the same position.
In the Network Mode demonstration above, a 5 channel amplifier is being used. The "A" Channel is operating the tweeters, the "B" channel is operating the mid bass drivers, and the "Sub" channel is operating the woofer. All are using the crossovers built into the in dash receiver. You could achieve the same effect with a 4 channel amp and a separate sub amp.
@@deckerdotto6035 gotcha. Sorry I meant to say I have a 4 channel for my mids and highs and a separate amp for the sub.
With two amps you have many more options to use Network Mode. Your first option, and for best sound quality, don't use rear door speakers at all. This will remove your question about time alignment. If you want to use the rear door speakers, I would recommend to put them on the amplifier's "B" channel connected to the mid range output from the in dash receiver. This will mean front and rear door speakers will be connected to the same output in a 2 ohm configuration. This may require an adjustment on the in dash receiver in the speaker level settings to lower the output of the mid range speakers to better match up with the output of the tweeters and sub. For best sound quality, don't try to raise the output of the tweeters or the sub. Lower the output of the mid range. For time alignment, measure the distance to both speakers on a given side and enter a number in between the two measurements. Or as I mentioned before, for best sound quality, don't use the rear door speakers at all.
@@deckerdotto6035 ok I gotcha. I'll sacrifice time alignment but the crossover network will still work. I just may have no highs in the rear coaxial but I'm not too worried it's just for a rear full. If I use the rears anyway. I appreciate your replies!
Guys, any update to this? Any 2017 or 2018 models supporting this?
Current list: AVH-X1800S; AVH-X2800BS, AVH-X3800BHS; AVH-X4800BS, AVH-X5800BHS, AVH-X6800DVD; AVH-X7800BT.
Many Pioneer in dash receivers, both Audio only units and Audio/Video units, have Standard Mode / Network Mode operation. Here are a few audio only models: DEH-S6000BS, FH-S700BS, MVH-S501BS. Here is an unboxing video: th-cam.com/video/6A17mJ2HoH8/w-d-xo.html Here are a few Audio Video models: AVH-500EX, AVH-600EX, AVH-2400NEX, AVH-1400NEX, AVH-W4400NEX. Here is an unboxing video: th-cam.com/video/Dg3LTbgd__k/w-d-xo.html You can find some additional information about Standard Mode and Network Mode here: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html And you can find additional information about audio only models with Standard Mode/Network Mode here: th-cam.com/video/k3q0Zm5jvHg/w-d-xo.html You may also want to check out the Pioneer DEH-80PRS seen here: th-cam.com/video/4Ix3u758p9c/w-d-xo.html and the advanced audio controls shown here: th-cam.com/video/0nY4z0FZPD8/w-d-xo.html
Wow, thanks!
I wonder why it's nearly impossible to find this information in product specs on Pioneer website.
When we are using crossover on avh 5800bhs then we dont use crossover of our amplifier ? Am i get your point well ?
But in cd receievers like deh s5200bt we dont have cross over build in or yes have ?
Yes, you are understanding well. When using an in-dash receiver like the Pioneer AVH-X5800BHS and you use the crossover built into the receiver, you don't need to use the crossover on the amplifier. For example: With the receiver's subwoofer LPF crossover set to 80 Hz, there is no need to use the crossover on the subwoofer amplifier. This can be the same for full range speakers, for example 16 cm speakers in the doors. Set the HPF crossover on the in-dash receiver's front and rear outputs to 80Hz and there is no need to use a crossover on the amplifier powering these speakers. You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
A CD receiver like the DEH-S5200BT has 3 sets of RCA outputs. They are Front, Rear, and Subwoofer outputs. Each of the RCA outputs has a crossover. This is Standard Mode. There is no option for Network Mode. Please use the Pioneer Smart Sync App to set up the crossovers for these outputs. You can see it on a similar receiver here: th-cam.com/video/b5DmuSMc04E/w-d-xo.html
@@deckerdotto6035 Thanks for logical and explained reply. 😍
Ok , I got GM-D9604 and GM-D8604 , with AVH-Z5050BT pioneer HU , I want to ask about the gain , should I set the gain at H for all gains and Handle , or I have to use one these distortions detectors devices ?!, and if I want to use my passive crossovers to save free channel for other speakers should I set the amp crossover off , and last thing should I set the amp crossover off for the rear and the sub as well and handle the crossover setting using my Pioneer HU ?! , tyvm
When connecting a Pioneer AVH-Z5050BT to a Pioneer GM-D9601 or GM-D8604 I recommend the "H" setting for the gain control on both amplifiers. However, this is only a recommended setting and a place to start to tune your personal system. If you are listening to your favorite music and you are hearing distortion, roll the gain back a little until you don't hear distortion. If you are hearing distortion, you could be damaging your speakers. You can also use the speaker level settings shown in this video to lower the level of any given output. For best sound quality, the amplifier gain should be set to "H" and in the in dash receiver speaker level settings should be set to Zero or lower. th-cam.com/video/WvJXYh6vk_0/w-d-xo.html In most cases, if you are using the crossover built into the in dash receiver, the amplifier crossover should be switched off. In most cases if you are using a passive crossover on a two speaker system, for example a mid bass driver and tweeter combination, the amplifier crossover should be switched off and the in dash receiver crossover should be switched off. Or the in dash receiver crossover should use a high pass filter set to a fairly low crossover point such as 80 Hz for example. For the sub output, if you are using the in dash receiver crossover then you should switch off the amplifier crossover if possible. If you can't switch off the amplifier crossover in your setup, be sure to check the phase control on the subwoofer output. In some setups, the phase control can dramatically effect output from the subwoofer. Choose the one that works best for you.
that is really very helpful tyvm
I have a bridged amplifier for my subwoofer ( amplifier channel 1-2 bridged ), can i just use 1 level output from head unit to the amplifier for the bridged channel to use active subwoofer crossovers? I'm kinda confused
What Pioneer in-dash receiver model number do you have? You can usually find the model number printed near the corner of the face of the in-dash receiver. I understand you have a subwoofer. Are you also using component speakers in the front of the vehicle? Or are you using a front and rear setup? How you are using the midrange and tweeters in your system will determine the best way to set up the system with Standard Mode and Network mode for the subwoofer output. You can learn more about Standard Mode and Network mode in this video: th-cam.com/video/TzCGdtiSXec/w-d-xo.html You can find more videos on Pioneer's You Tube Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
@@deckerdotto6035 I am using Pioneer DEH-80PRS, using component speakers (a set of tweeter and a set of mid range) infront and a subwoofer. Planning to use network mode so I don't have to use the rear speakers. I am using 4 channel amps, and 2 channels are bridged to power the subwoofer on the rear.
Let me understand your plan and please correct me if I have it wrong. You are planning to use one amplifier with four channels. The "A" channel of the 4 channel amplifier will operate the component set of Tweeters and midrange. And the "B" channel of the 4 channel amplifier is operating the subwoofer. If I understand that correctly, you'll be using the external passive crossover that came with the Tweeter and midrange package. If that's the case, you may be better off using Standard Mode on the DEH-80PRS. This way you can set the HPF on the Front RCA outputs to a crossover point for example 80Hz and let the external passive crossover on the component package handle the tweeter crossover. You'll use the LPF setting on the subwoofer output set to 80Hz and you can run the Subwoofer RCA outputs from the DEH-80PRS to the "B" channel of the 4 channel amp and bridge it as necessary.
If you were using a single 5 channel amplifier - or - a 4 channel amp with an additional subwoofer amplifier this could work out differently. You could set up the DEH-80PRS in Network Mode and run the High RCA's to the "A" Channel for the tweeters. Run the Mid-range RCA's to the "B" channel for the mids, and run the subwoofer RCA's to the sub amp for the woofer. This would eliminate the need for the external passive crossover included with the component speaker mid range/tweeter package.
@@deckerdotto6035 Yes Sir, that is correct for the set up of the components. But what if I use network mode, and connect the high's RCA output to the tweeters infront directly from DEH-80PRS ( since the tweeters can only handle 5rms - 60rms max ), the mid RCA outputs connected to the A channel amplifier for the mid range ( not bridged ), and the low RCA outputs to the B channel ( bridged ) on the amplifier? Is that possible? And thank you very much for the explanation, it was very very clear Sir!
Please allow me to be clear. You can't connect the tweeters directly to the front RCA outputs of the in-dash receiver. That won't work. The RCA outputs are for sending the audio signal to an external amplifier. The RCA's won't drive the tweeters by themselves. You can connect the High Speaker Level Outputs directly to the tweeters. Be sure to set up network mode with the High Output HPF set to around 5kHz. You can adjust it from there. When using Network Mode, the High Speaker Level Outputs are crossed over the same as the High RCA outputs. Be sure you are using the correct speaker level outputs. You can learn more about wiring your Pioneer DEH-80PRS speaker level outputs here: th-cam.com/video/kR2MO2kwFug/w-d-xo.html The rest of the set up should work fine. To learn more about how network mode works please watch this video with sound: th-cam.com/video/k3q0Zm5jvHg/w-d-xo.html
Hello, I have a DEH-X5900BT player. I use standard mode. LPF and HPF at 80Hz. I want to ask something. One the subwoofer set to ON, does the EQ work also for the sub? It seems is working only from the other speakers. What is under the LPF (sub) is not affected by my modifications. Can anybody confirm this? Thanks.
Please answer a few questions. What is your music source for your test? CD? USB with a WAV file? or some other source like Bluetooth or MP3? Are you sure the music you are listening to for your test has information below 80Hz that can be adjusted? Not all songs have information that low. If there is no music there, EQ settings won't matter. If you are listening through Bluetooth, what is the original source of the music? If it's a low quality recording, again, there is a possibility of little or no music below 80Hz. If you are listening to a streaming source similar to Spotify, are you using a high quality feed into your phone? A lower quality feed may not provide the low frequency information. Did you try a test disc with different defined test frequencies? You say above that the output is not affected by the modification to the EQ. How do you know? What are you using to measure the output? Are you simply listening or are you using an RTA similar to the one shown in the video above, or an oscilloscope, or some other measurement device? On the DEH-X5900BT the EQ frequencies at 80 and lower are 50Hz and 80Hz. These are the center frequencies for adjustment. The 50Hz setting will have some effect on frequencies from about 35Hz to about 63Hz with 50 being the center. And the 80Hz setting will have some effect on frequencies from about 63Hz to about 100Hz with 80 being the center. For example: This means the further away you get from the 80Hz center frequency, the less the measurable effect. Think of a bell curve with the peak being at the center of each frequency adjustment on the EQ. When adjusting the 80Hz setting the effect at 63Hz is minimal. The Pioneer DEH-X5900BT also has a Bass Boost setting that is centered at about 63Hz. How is the Bass Boost set? This can effect the overall output. Additionally, the settings will eventually max out. For example, if I have the 80Hz EQ setting to +6 and the Bass Boost setting to +12 and the speaker level setting for the subwoofer to +10, at some point there is no additional increase. Put all of the settings to zero and try again to adjust the EQ. Can you measure a difference? You can find more videos on Pioneer's You Tube Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
To Pioneer Electronics: Rather than using a video to push your other inventory items to sell why don't you take the time and show a basic method to set up this deck that all users can profit from. That being: setting the DEH-80 so we can get the quality sound quality we paid for. Now I know you think this video did just that, but you are incorrect. I would bet over half, if not more, of the owners of this head unit have not set it up properly due to the confusing and uncertain instructions provided. Never have I read anything as ambiguous as what you think these instructions provide. There are so many set up ways available to owners that are not dealt with by way of instructions or diagrams. Make it user friendly, you might even see an increase in sales!
Please watch this video for DEH-80PRS Advanced Audio Settings: th-cam.com/video/0nY4z0FZPD8/w-d-xo.html
Please watch this video for DEH-80PRS Standard Mode or Network Mode: th-cam.com/video/4Ix3u758p9c/w-d-xo.html
in active xover mode, do i need to remove the passive xover from my components ??
That's the idea in Network Mode. Watch the video from about 15:30 on. The guy answers your question.
can u do a video on how pioneer does it's math in terms of time alignment and crossover setting s
Do I have the networkmode on my avh-x8700bt???
No. The Pioneer AVH-X8700BT does not have network mode. It has 3 sets of RCA outputs and you can use an independent HPF on the front and rear outputs and an independent LPF on the subwoofer output. You can see the operation on a similar Pioneer receiver here: th-cam.com/video/j6W_PBHJ5AM/w-d-xo.html and you can see the subwoofer setup here: th-cam.com/video/il4JKe6_kqQ/w-d-xo.html You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics
Deckerd Otto thank you very much !
I have 4 Fronts, 2 Rears and sub but my 2 front door speakers wont work in standard mode but they worked before I install the AVH-2800BS..Am I in the right mode??
Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/PeH_h8UHzBw/w-d-xo.html
AVH-X2800BS is not listed but it's operation is very similar. This video explains Network Mode and Standard Mode output.
In network mode can you run front splits, rear splits & sub. Or just front and sub?
Network mode is High, Mid range, and low. All outputs are considered to be front outputs. There is no rear output in network mode.
I thought so, so I will need a DSP.
Wavey Davey what if you run the tweeter then y split the mid so u have front and back mkd and use 3rd output as sub?
That's a possible setup with an external amp. The mid, both front and rear will operate on the same crossover and speaker level settings.
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You can find more videos on Pioneer's TH-cam Channel here: th-cam.com/users/pioneerelectronics