The problem isn’t that Glocks aren’t what they use to be, the problem is that Glocks ARE what they use to be. Not much has changed or been improved with other modern advancements the industry has taken. They’ve been on top for so long they forgot what put them there, a revolutionary product pushing the market forward.
The Intel of the gun world lmao. Spent a decade so far ahead of everyone they kinda forgot how to innovate and all of a sudden they find themselves trying to play catch-up
GLOCK is still the most popular pistol with civilians and law enforcement world wide. GLOCK sells more pistols than all other gun makers. GLOCK makes more money than all other gun makers. Duh they doing something right.
You beat me to that comment. Exactly right. Except for a few minor updates, pretty much what they've been since they came out. But, then again, so am I. At 71, I'll keep my G's. I see no need to update myself. 😆
Would love to hear/see more about the way you overhand cycle the slide by pinching in the web between your left hand and index finger, and the why. And also more on your thoughts on trigger safeties or lack thereof. As always, love your honest content, quick talking, humor, and no fluff - every sentence packed with meaningful, intelligent words. Always a great watch.
Great list. I have a Canik TP9SF and a Ruger Security 9. No problems. I'vs run varios Ammo. I know they're base models. No problems, fun weekends at the farm and range.
I shot a friends Canik and my first time with it, shot it way better than my m&ps, and my Glocks that I've been shooting for decades. I'm gonna buy one after not being able to miss any of my targets. The caniks are awesome and cheap for what you get.
TP9SF was a phenomenal handgun for me. The only reason I sold mine was because Canik seemed to retreat from the public for a while to work on fulfillment and logistics issues and there were no holsters at the time. Had I even a little more patience to just set it in the safe and forget about it, I would've been blessed with today's holster selection with an excellent full size handgun.
@@Two_Names had you done a little research you could've kept it and just got a walther p99 holster. It's a clone of that gun ya know. Good thing it's a relatively cheap gun to replace.
Feels good to be validated in my opinion on Glock. They're fine, hell they're even good. But I think for what they are they should be cheaper by now, and I've never held one and thought "yeah this feels good." They feel cheap to me, but aren't priced especially cheap. As always, your mileage may vary and this is just, like, my opinion, man. But suffice it to say it's not an accident that I have 14 guns and none of them are a Glock.
Well, I won't say my M17 is the best gun ever made but I never had any failure to cycle issues after thousands of rounds. It seems to work fine and is a lot of fun to shoot.
It takes some getting used to if you're used to S&W or Glock. I sold my first one. Then years later on a whim I bought an M18. It's performed lights out for me. I shoot less than I used to, but it's been good. First pistol with an optic for me too.
I just came across your channel and thank goodness I did. I've been on the fence about my next pistol and you sir have helped me narrow that down! Great work! Great channel! Keep it up!
The only bad glocks are the ones in the last two years that slipped through shitty quality control. Other than that and the outdated feature set, they're a pretty decent gun. I have 2 of my own and they are incredibly reliable. Only started having jams after like 3-4 range trips where I didn't clean them.
Idk if I can call them overrated, that’s like calling a Honda civic over rated (it’s but it’s just popular) I’d say like that car they’re one of the most cost effective that check the most boxes for the average person. It’s popular because there’s a lot of people.
Sad to hear you had two Glocks with problems. My first Glock was back in the late 80's with a serial number stating in 'A". Went to a G22 and carried an original Gen and then a Gen 3 for two different agencies totaling 40 years. I never had a Glock fail me.
Same. Never once any issue. Carry over for a living & qualify 2x a year. Dozens of other Officers & NOBODY ever has an issue. I'll bet my man limp wrists or shot garbage ammo & blamed the gun.
I think its important to mention a users experience is slowly based off off the particular firearm theh have. I have had an FN 5.7 MK2 long before any of the other manufacturers jumped in the band wagon. Mine has none of the issues that the MK3 has hand in these videos. Ive shot all the different rounds on the market with no misfiring or issues. I think I pickes it up for like a grand back in the day. With that being said I would love to test the newer platforms now that firearm inventory is some what getting better. Thanks for the great videos. Love the one you did on the top 10 under 350.
I just never could get into Glock for the same reasons mentioned. For the money there was just stuff I liked better that worked just as well if not better. Currently main a vp9 and cc a cannik mc9
I've been using a standard P320 for 3 years now, not a single misfire or malfunction, with thousands and thousands of rounds fired. It has the upgrades so it is 100% drop-safe. I absolutely trust it for home defense. I have no idea what your issues are with this gun and how you could have issues with 10 or 12 of them. Sorry, I just strongly disagree with your #1, and that's not because I'm a fanboy or anything, it's coming from my experience with it.
I started with Glock and many of their Gen1 variants, innovative and the best version of the striker-fired pistol - 20 years ago. I loved them and wore them out. I grew up and was ready for new pistols, I had the good fortune of trying many different brands. I ended up going primarily with the CZ pistols - both their striker and hammer guns. I wouldn't call CZ innovative, but far from overrated.
I love the 1911, and .45, in general. I've had a Kimber and I have a Rock Island. I qualified on the Army Colt 1911, when I first joined. I did not like that we replaced the 1911 with the M9. After reading the Terminal List series and learning that the SEALs carried the HK in .45, in different mods, I bought the HK45 Tactical. It is badass! It shoots so smoothly. I really enjoy shooting it. I have not bought a suppressor, but I plan on it. Great reviews and information. Thanks. I've always thought Glock was overrated and hyped, and movies had a lot to do with that.
I’m gonna be honest i own a M17 as a duty firearm and i treat it really rough and rugged. Bumped it a lot, hit a lot, dropped it a few times, i have put 2,500rds through it, and i do not clean it often im at 650rds without a cleaning. And over 1000rds without a deep cleaning I’ve never had one malfunction or one issue with it. And i have all the original parts on it, the only thing ive added is an optic and a light but the internals are still from manufacture. I’ve also fired multiple styles of mixed rounds and brands, from fmj, hollow, flat nose, brass, steel, aluminum, led free, 50/115/124/147 grains, plus P, subsonic, supersonic, and almost every brand u can think of in the cheap and mid priced category. So it’s always shocking to hear if someone else says they have reliability issues to me
Strike one is not used by Russian special forces, it failed tests) it was actually designed by an Italian, he used to be a partner of Arsenal Firearms with a Russian guy. It was produced by Tanfoglio factory.
I will agree with you, and I always appreciate your honesty/candor regarding firearms. But I will say my Glock G45, Gen 5, will forever be my go-to handgun in a self-defense situation. It has had zero failures in firing over 3,500 rounds, is extremely accurate with the stock sights, and is extremely comfortable in my hands. Yes the trigger could be a bit better, and yes Glocks are overrated, but for me this G45 is the perfect 9mm semi-auto.
I’ve carried a Glock 43 for years then upgraded to a 43X and I love it. It just fits well in my hand and feels right but now I’m thinking of upgrading again. Probably to a IWI slim or the Canik. I’d be perfectly happy with my 43X it is the perfect carry gun for maybe 10 years ago. The simplicity and reliability are not exclusive to Glock anymore and other guns have went above and beyond now. It feels weird to say but it’s true.
I don't think it's weird. We're living in one of the best eras ever for firearms in terms of all different price points performing at least good enough all the way up to fantastic.
Thank you for this great opinion piece! Your knowledge is what we tune in for! You also just elevated your jokes to a next level… had me laughing throughout. P.S., I would suggest most FN’s are overrated, or at least, priced way over their practical value. Not sure if that’s the same thing.
Ive been considering a 43x or p365. A store/range here at home says they've never sent a glock back for anything in the 11 years theyve been in business but have sent multiple p365s back to sig. I currently carry a s&w sheild. Never had trouble. And its not on the list. Hooray! Update. 12 days later. Found a shop that has a Glock 43x mos for $389. Ain't gonna pass that up! Running a special for police and veterans.
I picked up a Springfield XDM-Elite 3.8" compact, this thing is an absolute BEAST not sure why Springfield discontinued it. Double stack slim great ergonomics, especially if you have big hands and a nail driver. The slide is set up for red dots and has rails for lights, stole this for $399. Excellent pistol!!!!!!!!!!
Funny thing is I've only had one P320 and it's been the most reliable pistol I ever had. Runs any ammo never a malfunction, mot even once. It is big and long, handling those large weapons takes some getting used to.
Nearly 5000 rounds through mind and had 1 failure to return to battery, and that was on the second mag I put through it. Sometimes I wonder how these people have so many problems with multiple guns, seems like there's a user issue going on
I've put about 4000 rounds through my M17. I don't clean it as often as I should. Have never had a single problem with it. I find it to be extremely accurate. To each their own.
I have a p320 in 45 and love it. Firearms are very personal and subjective everyone has a preference. I like the design the weight and how it feels in my hand when firing. Funny thing is the 9mm m17/p320 are the only ones that are bad from what I have seen.
@@joebauers3746bro he’s a butt hurt Glock hater. Little does he know HO has had a Glock in the number one spot on 2 out 3 videos on HO top 5 favorite handguns.
@@joebauers3746 That's all they got going for them.. There are plenty models just as reliable these days with better out of the box features for much cheaper price ranges. Glock has stayed stuck in the mud for too long now
Interestingly, my issued p320 has been the *most* reliable duty gun I've used since firsts getting it some six years ago. I don't particularly like it. Ergos are kinda goofy for me. Stupid thing has been utterly reliable though and has withstood regular duty holster wear for years so I can't really complain about durability either. I can confidently hit an 8in plate at 25m so I'm happy with accuracy. If it rode a little lower in the hand (closer to a p365) and didn't have such a weird big grip for my little ass hands, I'd have literally no complaints about it. I'm told we can now replace our grip modules with aftermarket ones so that should fix the latter problem but it's still always going to feel tall just because of how tall the fcg is. Most overrated gun I've experienced has been the original M&P, also being my first duty gun. They were problem children from the beginning and I spent a few weeks total carrying my personal Glock on duty while mine was being worked on. My peers loved the ergos but I hated everything about them and I was very glad when we canned them for a new gun. Apparently enough other people agreed that S&W went back and did an iterative update on the weapons. By all accounts the 2.0 is a fine gun, I just have no real interest in it.
100% agree. My P320 was awesome in terms of reliability. I didn't find it as snappy as some folks, but certainly more than any other duty sized 9mm I've owned. I absolutely LOVE the feel of the M&P in my hand, but the trigger on the Gen 1 was hot garbage - the worst, gritiest trigger on any gun I've owned. The 2.0 is a dream. As far as your hand size: Sig makes several sizes of duty length grip modules. S, M, and L iirc.
Back when I worked at the gun store... The two case queens that got lots of looks but few purchases were on this list. FN 5.7 and Desert Boat Anch...err... Eagle!
I have gone with Smith&Wesson M&P .22, .40SW,.45 and as others have stated with crap ammon or good quality stuff o issues. Only .22 has the safety the .40SW was original M&P .45 is 2.0 version. But your content is outstanding and nice and blunt. Thanks
I've heard this sort of thing a lot about Sigs... not to hate or anything. I haven't tried one. Never had an issue with a Glock, Beretta etc though by comparison. I def prefer the gun that isn't going to be in the shop when I need it.
The drop safe issue was resolved by Sig with replaced triggers about 6 years ago. However Dallas PD took it's predecessor off of the approved list for carry when the controversy spun up.
The P320 drop issue was resolved. They offered a free fix for the ones affected. Since then, they have manufactured them differently to address the issue
@@brendendick9287, 20 Lawsuits is enough for you? I guess former President Trump being indicted multiple times proves that he did wrong so many times. Anyone can bring a lawsuit now of days for any reason. I can likely sue you for something you will state after you this. Does it mean I will win? No, it does not. Some of those if you research were user error. Either putting them in a gym bag or purse with no holster. Or, some using holsters that may be compatible but allow debris into the trigger guard area. Others could be due to malfunctions but it is quite hard now of days looking at the internals of the firearms. Though, I am not a gun smith yet.
@@spacewhales9129, No need too. Guess what sells the most in my gun library? It certainly isn’t what you think. Oddly, the Sigs sell faster than any other handgun I have on display. Here shortly I am going to have more M&P’s, XD’s and Glocks than I will Sigs.
The fact they Glock released the original 43 without an optic cut or rail, and limited it to 6 rounds, boggled my mind. Then the 43X comes out but only bumps it up to 10, still no rail, no optic. Then finally the 43X MOS has the rail and optic cut, but still only 10 rounds. Why can everyone else manage to figure it out? That being said I still own many Glocks.
Personally I don’t mind that the p320 doesn’t have a trigger safety. I don’t like trigger safeties, I think they’re not as useful as other kinds of safeties. I’m much more worried about the “fires on its own” rumors personally.
Barretta 92FS - 0 issues, even with Wolf ammo Barretta APX - 1 failure to feed Glock 40 (10mm) - 1 failure to feed, but is the gun I shoot best with and have shot the most. The rest are 6 shooters which of course have never had a problem.
Maybe true on the Glock when comparing Gen 5 to competitors. But so long as you can still find brand new Gen 3 Glock 17s/19s for about $499.99 (plus tax) at places like Academy, then the price-for-reliability is really hard to beat. Esp. considering how universal the platform has become, which means accessories like holsters, lights, extra magazines, and sights are widely available and affordable. Often priced lower for the Glock than competitors like the M&P (e.g., Ameriglo Cap sights). Speaking of sights...You are going to probably change the sights out on any pistol you buy off the shelf so that's a wash.
I had a standard, base level P320 that I liked a lot better than the M18’s I’ve shot. The trigger action is beautiful, and I never had a malfunction. Yeah, it’s chunky, but in 9mm, it’s not like it’s jumping out of your hands on the recoil. I had solid accuracy with it. Glocks are fun to tinker with and upgrade, but Idk who’s buying them new. Get a used one and turn it into something cool. I like my 17 just fine now that I changed the trigger, the sights, the striker spring, the recoil spring, and added grip tape.
As someone who works at a Gun Store/Range I clear a malfunction in a Glock almost daily. Most of them are user induced but they do in fact malfunction. If we are talking about overrated guns id say about any Glock on the market. There are so many amazing options on the market, many at a similar or better price.
The desert eagle 50 is not overrated because it's a novelty gun. I have one and it definitely is a fun gun to take to the range and puts a smile on your face. Yes not very reliable but also it is not practical in any way.
Some people just deserve to have their opinion relied on, you are one of them my red bearded Brother! I have never been one to fully trust a striker fired pistol, I'm a hard core DA/SA guy. I carry the trusty Sig M-1 as my daily. Appreciate ya!
With the exception of the Sig P320 I am in agreement. I have had my P320 for over 8 years, way before it became popular. My EDC is the 9mm in the medium grip, but I also have this in .45 in the full size. I fine both easy to shoot and at over 1000 rounds of various ammunition have never had any issues. I have dropped it several times by accident and not once had it fire. I probably clean my gun too much, but I enjoy the process. Maybe my smaller hands are better suited to this weapon. I have several others but find this one to be my favorite.
I really, really like, respect and admire a guy like you who can admit that a gun he likes has its flaws. I'm sure you have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances that includes fanboys of the 1911 or the Glock. And to hear some of these guys talk, you'd think their pistols could even wash dishes and change the baby's damn diaper. And nothing makes me smile bigger than to see one of these guys proceed to firing off a string -- and their gun doesn't hiccup -- it belches, pukes and farts. I will say you have a much higher opinion of the Desert Eagle than do I, but that's the beauty of being an American. Thank you for a great entertaining bit of video that was also enlightening. Before today, I'd never heard of that Russian Special Forces pistol, and I'm glad to have gotten to know about it.
I'm a firearms instructor, and have been a long time. The Glock is the best all around pistol there is. Its good at everything. Mind you, I said good, not great. I haven't found a pistol great at everything. I've been through so many I cant remember them all. All price ranges, all different options, modifications, etc. If I had to choose one pistol, unmodified, for life based on durability, Glock has proven itself. Just a humble opinion from someone who shoots competitively and has worked in most environments strapped up.
I have a SIG X-carry and while it isn’t the same as the M117/118 series, it has been exceptionally reliable. I have thousands of rounds through this pistol and I have had no malfunctions, I do keep it reasonably clean and have been very pleased wi th it. It also has great sights and is very accurate. So while I can’t defend the M127 I will defend the X-Carry.
I do agree with most of the points you have, but I also disagree with a few of them 1. Some calibers are understandably weaker comapred to others, but comparing it to 5.56 is honestly a little touchy. For reference, the 5.7 wasn't intended to replace the 5.56, but mostly to have similar ballistics and piercing while maintaining a small size. In simple terms, it was supposed to reedefine the SMG, and saying it's a little lackluster when it is worse than a rifle cartridge doesnt add up that well. 2. It's understandable to choose a better alternative when one is overall impractical (cue the Desert Eagle). But even so, being famous and iconic aren't to be undermined as much as they usually are. Some people can simply stick with a weapon they've had because it has great memories, served them well, or even is just a weapon they love. TheRussianBadger himself has quite some experience shooting handguns, and yet still buys guns he knows and loves, i.e. Glock 17 and FN 5.7 I still love the video and gives some good insights and alternatives, and you got my respect for that
I own a SIG P320. Its from the first year they came out with it... I sent it back for a new trigger after the drop safe controversy. I used to say, well I don't drop my guns, so I'll be fine. I still sent it out to get fixed anyway. I was happy at the time, that sig addressed it and "fixed" it basically for free. Win right? Well I don't know if you saw that video of the officer bending over to pick up a suspects legs, and his 320 discharged, WHILE IT WAS IN HIS HOLSTER, nearly hitting a friendly. It's an unloaded safe queen that might get pulled for a range day, but that's it from that day on. I don't own a large amount of firearms, so I'll keep it for now, but it scares the fuck out of me.
Gotta say I've had no issues with my glocks. 20, 21, 17 and 45. I used to own a Deagle... Spot on with that assessment. In the service i hated the Beretta. Then i got one that had not been molested by 5000 2nd LTs and 100 different semi retarded armorers. Now I love the Beretta.
Love it that you put P320 as #1 as your honest opinion without any fear of offending sig or the p320 fanboys that came out in droves and are mostly missing the point. Keep this kind of content up. Top #5 pistols under 1K with the best trigger out of the box next?
The IMI Desert Eagles (Made in Israel) are well made and quite reliable. We have a number of them running flawlessly in our shooting club (mostly in .357 and .44 Magnum). The US made Desert Eagles may look fancy, but they suck in terms of reliability. Would be interesting to know what brand your DEs were.
That's interesting that all those add-ons for the Glock...make it less reliable. I have actually seen this a bit, because as I watch PoliceActivity channel religiously (which featured body/dash cam footage of serious officer involved shootings), I can safely say that I've have seen 5-10% of gunfights on that channel where cops using Glocks have had failure to feed issues...some with extended mags/add-ons, some stock. Granted, some of it is likely limp-wristing in a stressful event. But sometimes it's way worse than just a spent case hang-up, there are a couple of tense vids where the officer is cursing because they cannot get their Glock to rechamber or fire...kinda frightening actually. And I say this as a Glock owner of 2 G19s...but I am also NOT a fanboy of them, buuuuuut...once you get comfortable with them, they still do have their strengths (ease of use, easy to fieldstrip/clean, normally very reliable action when stock).
I have been asked to repair many weapons years ago but the worst was sent back without even cleaning it. When an engineer tells you the pistol should never be loaded and/or fired it is best to take that advice to heart. One "malfunction" was with the operator. RNU (read and understand) the paperwork. This little trick will answer many questions before asked. I am a firm believer in gun control even though I do not own one. I have seen far too many mistakes.
Gotcha on the Desert Eagle. Try a Wildey. In '90 I shot a friend's Wildey in .45 Win. Mag. and it was reliable and accurate enough. And it is a big, impressive gun.
Idk, PSA did a decent job with the PSA Dagger. I have no complaints. Also for those who can't wait and save up for a GUCCI glock PSA is good, cause you can build it as ypu go and it works well.
I rented one at my local range and the stock sights were basically unusable, there was like an 1/8th inch of daylight on each side of the front sight post when aiming down the sights. I had a hard time getting a good group with it and it's a heavy 5 inch race gun
Definitely hit a lot of points that others would not be willing to say either out of fear of losing their sponsorship, or detracting their fanbase. Great content as always.
@gunrightsmafia9867 tbh, 1911s are just like Glocks. They require LOTS of fixing. I carried a 1911 for years, and I love mine. Still, they're both like a 60s muscle car - gotta spend a lot of time under the hood keeping things running.
@mfuchs2004 yea i know I got 5 1911s and two 2011s and they do need cleaning but that's what every gun if u want reliable guns but I don't know about your glocks but mine run smooth without much cleaning!!! Every person is different on how they use there firearms and some of the same firearms work and some don't aka springfield prodigy just to name one
@mfuchs2004 my pops got a glovk that he had for a year and never cleaned it and it still runs and I know many people on the street level who never ever clean there guns and they use trash mags and some jam and some worked without cleaning
Been following your channel for a couple of years. I’ve bought a couple based on your reviews. And I’ve avoided many for the same reason. Love the fact that you and Mrs Honest Outlaw are the most real people on this platform. REALLY love the Mrs reaction when you don’t check your language! Keep up the good work people! I’m here for you.
I personally love Glock, reliable, the grip angle is my favorite (grew up shooting Glocks). Glock is also the only manufacturer that (personally) I have been able to take out of the box and run all the cheap ammo I buy through with no issues or jams.
Years ago, I was having trouble with Speer ammo in my Sig P228. Dented the primers occasionally, just didn't go bang. Fed those through my Glock, and they all went bang. I shoot better with my Sig's (228 and 226) for some reason, but the Glock handles everything I've fed it.
You must not shoot a lot of different guns if it’s the only one that runs cheap ammo out of the box. Most guns these days are reliable. Glock just doesn’t have anything going for it anymore. A lot of brands make guns that are better yet cheaper than Glock.
@@johnj8840except there aren’t a ton of ex special forces guys on TH-cam. Second, an edc doesn’t necessarily mean they’re “hyping it up”. Sounds like all you know is Glock, lol.
Point gun, pull trigger, goes bang every time. Light weight, good capacity and super easy to armorer. From a police firearms instructor and armorer that makes it okay! There are other good striker fired guns like the M&P, but they are more difficult to armorer/maintain.
That's how I feel about my SIG 😂 the only other handgun I've shot was a stainless steel 1911 but it didn't feel right in my hands. I'm sure there's a 1911/2011 out there that fits well in my hands
Just got my Glock 41 I’ve put 1000 rounds into it not not a single jam yet I clean it about every 300 to 400 rounds too not going to lie yes it is over priced but it’s definitely not overrated
Which I just paid more out the box for my FN509C Tactical and just be done with it. Put over 10k rounds through it. Flawless and the trigger broke in nicely after a couple thousand rounds.
Exactly. Unless you already have a stock of Glock mags and parts (which admittedly many do), doesn’t make much sense as a new gun owner in 2023 to go with Glock. Especially when M&P’s, FN’s, CZ’s and VP’s can be had for so cheap.
@@Nicksarmsit being over priced is one reason they are overrated. Glocks are $300 guns that cost $600. Most guns from the big brands will go bang without fail until the barrel wears out. Glock just doesn’t have anything going for them.
The aftermarket is probably what’s kept Glock alive. I have a 19 and like it but if the gen 5 was cheaper I probably would of went to it before getting a canik, cz and 320.
@@janneman27if you’re going to be a grammar nazi then use proper punctuation yourself. An ellipse is … not …. . Also that’s not how they’re used
Eh... Glock really doesn't need the aftermarket. People who want their Glock to be something it isn't, need the aftermarket. Most should have just bought a different gun. The average person who buys a Glock, including military and law enforcement will never make a single modification, or aren't allowed to. I've seen at least 3 surveys/questionnaires that have indicated as many as 77% of all gun owners shoot less than 3 times a year. If the numbers are even close to being accurate, you can bet there are a lot of Glocks in that group, and those folks aren't tricking out their bedside/carry gun.
@@hectorrivera6624 No one is saying they're bad. They're good enough but people gush over them as if they're God's gift to the firearms industry which they're not. They're solid, reliable and shoot straight enough for 90% of the population.
@@iamme625 Everyone has their own preferences. Thats why all the bickering. Is a tool, as long as when you pull the thing and it fires a thing whenever you need to, is fine with me. I got plenty Glocks, 1911's, Sigs (P-series and M17) and just suggested a a S&W M&P to my brother who lives in Massachusetts. All good guns, I just like and suggest proven things. My carry is either a G19, G43 and Sig P229.
I’ve had multiple situations where my Glocks have failed. However if I document them, people lose their minds in the comment section. Thank you for the video.
If you ever watch any police videos, officers are constantly clearing malfunctions on their sidearms in just about every service pistol platform they're using.
Totally disagree with you Chris. Glock wasn’t about civilian markets. So I’m confused how people always try to compare newer guns to Glock. Glock is in a category all by itself so I don’t agree with this at all. I still think you are a great gun tuber and definitely know a lot about firearms but this video I have to disagree. But who cares? I don’t have a 1M subscribers so I’m sure some people will be mad at me. 🤷🏾♂️🤣
I have 12-1500 rds through my P320 Compact and have yet to experience a malfunction. I agree that if you carry appendix, you might want to consider another option
Im 200 rounds into my p365 and I only had malfunctions breaking it in the first I'd say about 10-20 rounds and a good slide lubing. After that it was smooth sailing.
Grip hump that ruins a natural point of aim for almost everyone that trains on any other pistol and does nothing for recoil control (An M&P or CZ recoil impulse is the same and gets back on target better due to a natural point of aim). Garbage sights. Bad ergos. Pathetic afterthought backstrap design. And these issues could EASILY be fixed by Glock without changing the simplicity or reliability of a Glock. They just refuse to advance or do anything worth a shit. Pretty much every other manufacturer has surpassed Glock out of the box.
The P320 probably has a high bore axis because they designed to be compatible with P250 parts. The P250 was a DA/SA hammer-fired gun released by Sig a few years before the P320 that also had a removable fire control unit. The P320 was really a conversion of the P250 and was also Sig's first ever striker-fired handgun. That it wasn't a total dumpster fire is actually impressive considering how many other companies have jumped into the handgun game and failed epically.
And we have to remember that the 250 was intended to mostly retain holster compatibility with common duty lights, so it was tall by design to take after its 220/225 predecessors. I've long lamented that Sig didn't use the 365 as an opportunity to sunset the p320 and its legacy dna and start a new path with the smaller and by all accounts equally robust and reliable fire control group to build out both a duty gun line and a concealed carry line.
@@EastCoastMan603 what coping? The 320 is a fine gun. A ton of people out there who have no reliability problems, no problems with them going off unintentionally (how come it's all cops? how come absolutely no one has been able to recreate the pistol going off without a trigger pull? drop safety was fixed years ago as well). I have 2, an m18 and a p320 x carry, and both have been reliable, accurate, soft shooting, and just all around awesome firearms. The bore axis argument is old, considering some of the guns a lot of people love (1911/2011, PDP) also have a high bore axis and don't get the hate. I don't know why HO has had so many problems with 320s, maybe the guns are sentient and knows he doesn't like them so refuse to run for him? doubt it. And it's not like I'm all Sig. He mentioned the APX A1 being a better pistol and yes, it is a fine gun (I own one). I shoot the 320 better though. The APX ergos just don't work for me. I think it's a very underrated pistol, with a great trigger, soft shooting, accurate. It just doesn't work with my hands. 320s do. People like what they like.
I have a P250, and while it is a hammer-fired DAO, it is supremely reliable. I have the mid-frame 15 rds capacity model, and it used to serve me as a concealed carry piece until I got an HK P30 V3. I like my carry guns with a hammer.
@@desperateneedofscotch I bought it from a gun store in Merrimack, NH, in 2010 or 2011 I believe was the year. Brand new out of the showcase. Great pistol. I also have a first or second run full size P320. Comparing the two, the P250 just seems, I don’t know, better made maybe? Like just a bit better fit and finish. The 250 came with Siglite night sights, also. The 320 did not.
Everyone has different experiences and opinions. So hopefully they don't take the point in this video the wrong way. I greatly appreciate your experience, perspective and information. I always learn something new with every video🙃 Thank you
You're right about not buying a pistol surrounded by controversy. I was excited about the MC9,but it feels like hit or miss. Decided to purchase a Sheild Plus instead.
@lucasblanchard47 I am truly glad for you. The HO also had no problems throughout a thousand rounds. I just would be beyond pissed if I bought it and had problems. Taking the safe route
@nwaites01 my shooting partner has a Canik Tp9 and has never had a problem with it. I know that they make good pistols. I just won't take a chance on the MC9.
I've had a couple of Glocks fail on me as well. Decided to go with the Beretta 92X Compact and it has been one of the most reliable guns I've owned. Sent it to Langdon Tactical to work their magic and it shoots great. Might be a bit overpriced because of the custom work, but I carry it confidently.
I've been carrying the Beretta PX4 Storm compact. Stippled the grip, upgraded to tritium sights and dropped in the Langdon trigger job in a bag. A bit heavier than many carry pistols but after thousands of rounds through it I'm confident it will do it's job should the occasion arise.
92X RDO was great for me, but for duty use it had some really annoying rust issues due to the work sites I was guarding at the time (summertime in Arizona, so torrential downpours combined with moon dust on dry days). I stopped using it for duty because of that, and the mags I got with it weren't rust proofed either. I love it as a gun, it's a sexy piece and I'd never hesitate to carry it, but believe it or not, my 19X has served me better as a duty gun for maintenance reasons alone, and my DR920 War Poet has done even better for that purpose.
Gallatin TN Berettas definitely have more QC issues than any Austrian built Glock. That said when you get a good one the 92x RDO has a phenomenal trigger.
The problem isn’t that Glocks aren’t what they use to be, the problem is that Glocks ARE what they use to be. Not much has changed or been improved with other modern advancements the industry has taken. They’ve been on top for so long they forgot what put them there, a revolutionary product pushing the market forward.
Your comment is "simply... perfection". I agree.
The Intel of the gun world lmao. Spent a decade so far ahead of everyone they kinda forgot how to innovate and all of a sudden they find themselves trying to play catch-up
Agree. Tried, tested, and old.
GLOCK is still the most popular pistol with civilians and law enforcement world wide. GLOCK sells more pistols than all other gun makers. GLOCK makes more money than all other gun makers. Duh they doing something right.
You beat me to that comment. Exactly right. Except for a few minor updates, pretty much what they've been since they came out. But, then again, so am I. At 71, I'll keep my G's. I see no need to update myself. 😆
Would love to hear/see more about the way you overhand cycle the slide by pinching in the web between your left hand and index finger, and the why. And also more on your thoughts on trigger safeties or lack thereof. As always, love your honest content, quick talking, humor, and no fluff - every sentence packed with meaningful, intelligent words. Always a great watch.
i also pinch with 2 fingers it's something i picked up in the military for faster slide work
Great list. I have a Canik TP9SF and a Ruger Security 9. No problems. I'vs run varios Ammo. I know they're base models. No problems, fun weekends at the farm and range.
I shot a friends Canik and my first time with it, shot it way better than my m&ps, and my Glocks that I've been shooting for decades. I'm gonna buy one after not being able to miss any of my targets. The caniks are awesome and cheap for what you get.
I love my TP9SF!
Nothin wrong with either one of those, I like em a lot and would take both over a Glock all day long.
TP9SF was a phenomenal handgun for me. The only reason I sold mine was because Canik seemed to retreat from the public for a while to work on fulfillment and logistics issues and there were no holsters at the time. Had I even a little more patience to just set it in the safe and forget about it, I would've been blessed with today's holster selection with an excellent full size handgun.
@@Two_Names had you done a little research you could've kept it and just got a walther p99 holster. It's a clone of that gun ya know. Good thing it's a relatively cheap gun to replace.
Feels good to be validated in my opinion on Glock. They're fine, hell they're even good. But I think for what they are they should be cheaper by now, and I've never held one and thought "yeah this feels good." They feel cheap to me, but aren't priced especially cheap.
As always, your mileage may vary and this is just, like, my opinion, man.
But suffice it to say it's not an accident that I have 14 guns and none of them are a Glock.
Polymer guns just inherently feel cheap.
I'll share a quote about Glock that I've always found funny.
The Glock is the best $400 pistol you can buy for $600.
@@sst1911 perfect!
They should sell new Glocks with 2 mags and in a cardboard box for $399. It would make a lot more sense.
@@mi_cheap_guns2925they will honestly shut down Taurus if this happens😂
Well, I won't say my M17 is the best gun ever made but I never had any failure to cycle issues after thousands of rounds. It seems to work fine and is a lot of fun to shoot.
It takes some getting used to if you're used to S&W or Glock. I sold my first one.
Then years later on a whim I bought an M18. It's performed lights out for me. I shoot
less than I used to, but it's been good. First pistol with an optic for me too.
@@The2ndFirst Yes I agree with what you wrote. I put an optic on mine as well, as my eyes are getting old.
@@Kismetix I'm still trying to get good. It's going to take some re training. I may have to get out of the house more. :)
Agree - I have 4 p320s and never had a single failure from any of them.
Same with mine mine has been flawless
I just came across your channel and thank goodness I did. I've been on the fence about my next pistol and you sir have helped me narrow that down! Great work! Great channel! Keep it up!
Hk usp
100% in agreement with you on every one of these, especially the Glock and P320.
the most unreliable gun ever was my first Glock, a 26. The second most unreliable gun is my FN 57. Love the M&P 5.7.
At the risk of sounding like a hipster, I decided to get a Steyr instead of a Glock or Sig. No regrets.
The only bad glocks are the ones in the last two years that slipped through shitty quality control. Other than that and the outdated feature set, they're a pretty decent gun. I have 2 of my own and they are incredibly reliable. Only started having jams after like 3-4 range trips where I didn't clean them.
Idk if I can call them overrated, that’s like calling a Honda civic over rated (it’s but it’s just popular) I’d say like that car they’re one of the most cost effective that check the most boxes for the average person. It’s popular because there’s a lot of people.
Sad to hear you had two Glocks with problems. My first Glock was back in the late 80's with a serial number stating in 'A". Went to a G22 and carried an original Gen and then a Gen 3 for two different agencies totaling 40 years. I never had a Glock fail me.
Same.
Never once any issue.
Carry over for a living & qualify 2x a year.
Dozens of other Officers & NOBODY ever has an issue.
I'll bet my man limp wrists or shot garbage ammo & blamed the gun.
It happens. @@ClickClack_Bam
@@ClickClack_Bam I bought my first Glock many years ago and never looked back.
1 with issues maybe but 2... Doubt it..
He doesn't like Glock and he hates Springfield..
I absolutely love the VP9 series.
Same goes with Usp series
Guns that have become legends and live up to ruger 1022. And the Ruger mark series both live up to their legendary reputations
I think its important to mention a users experience is slowly based off off the particular firearm theh have. I have had an FN 5.7 MK2 long before any of the other manufacturers jumped in the band wagon. Mine has none of the issues that the MK3 has hand in these videos. Ive shot all the different rounds on the market with no misfiring or issues. I think I pickes it up for like a grand back in the day. With that being said I would love to test the newer platforms now that firearm inventory is some what getting better. Thanks for the great videos. Love the one you did on the top 10 under 350.
That’s why I prefer revolvers. Far less prone to mechanical failure.
I just never could get into Glock for the same reasons mentioned. For the money there was just stuff I liked better that worked just as well if not better. Currently main a vp9 and cc a cannik mc9
Vp’s are nearly 2x the price of a Glock but okay 😂
@@9770Gand way better. Walther PDP is almost thr same price and better in literally every way.
I've been using a standard P320 for 3 years now, not a single misfire or malfunction, with thousands and thousands of rounds fired. It has the upgrades so it is 100% drop-safe. I absolutely trust it for home defense. I have no idea what your issues are with this gun and how you could have issues with 10 or 12 of them. Sorry, I just strongly disagree with your #1, and that's not because I'm a fanboy or anything, it's coming from my experience with it.
I started with Glock and many of their Gen1 variants, innovative and the best version of the striker-fired pistol - 20 years ago. I loved them and wore them out. I grew up and was ready for new pistols, I had the good fortune of trying many different brands. I ended up going primarily with the CZ pistols - both their striker and hammer guns. I wouldn't call CZ innovative, but far from overrated.
CZ is head and shoulders above Glock
I love my P-09. It's my off duty EDC. I carry a Beretta M9A1 on duty.
In what way ?
Definitely overrated. At best they are slightly above average but not even close to the gems their fanboys pretend they are.
@@joshrandall3632 what you rolling with ?
I love the 1911, and .45, in general. I've had a Kimber and I have a Rock Island. I qualified on the Army Colt 1911, when I first joined. I did not like that we replaced the 1911 with the M9. After reading the Terminal List series and learning that the SEALs carried the HK in .45, in different mods, I bought the HK45 Tactical. It is badass! It shoots so smoothly. I really enjoy shooting it. I have not bought a suppressor, but I plan on it. Great reviews and information. Thanks. I've always thought Glock was overrated and hyped, and movies had a lot to do with that.
I think games did a lot too since old hardware had a polygon render limit and they had to make everything look blocky
Could we get some Kel Tec engineers to go work at Glock? 18 months of that would spit out some cool guns.
or a few Glock aftermarket makers to to Glock HQ. but still, that gun might just be PSA dagger or a worse shadow system
Cocaine fueled innovation with Austrian craftsmanship.
I’m gonna be honest i own a M17 as a duty firearm and i treat it really rough and rugged. Bumped it a lot, hit a lot, dropped it a few times, i have put 2,500rds through it, and i do not clean it often im at 650rds without a cleaning. And over 1000rds without a deep cleaning
I’ve never had one malfunction or one issue with it. And i have all the original parts on it, the only thing ive added is an optic and a light but the internals are still from manufacture.
I’ve also fired multiple styles of mixed rounds and brands, from fmj, hollow, flat nose, brass, steel, aluminum, led free, 50/115/124/147 grains, plus P, subsonic, supersonic, and almost every brand u can think of in the cheap and mid priced category.
So it’s always shocking to hear if someone else says they have reliability issues to me
Strike one is not used by Russian special forces, it failed tests) it was actually designed by an Italian, he used to be a partner of Arsenal Firearms with a Russian guy. It was produced by Tanfoglio factory.
I will agree with you, and I always appreciate your honesty/candor regarding firearms. But I will say my Glock G45, Gen 5, will forever be my go-to handgun in a self-defense situation. It has had zero failures in firing over 3,500 rounds, is extremely accurate with the stock sights, and is extremely comfortable in my hands. Yes the trigger could be a bit better, and yes Glocks are overrated, but for me this G45 is the perfect 9mm semi-auto.
Last Action Hero is one of my favorite Arnold movies. We need to see Outlaw shooting while driving. But remember, never in heavy traffic!!
I’ve carried a Glock 43 for years then upgraded to a 43X and I love it. It just fits well in my hand and feels right but now I’m thinking of upgrading again. Probably to a IWI slim or the Canik. I’d be perfectly happy with my 43X it is the perfect carry gun for maybe 10 years ago. The simplicity and reliability are not exclusive to Glock anymore and other guns have went above and beyond now. It feels weird to say but it’s true.
I too thought this. Sold my 43x and went through 3 other guns before running back to buying another 43x settling on that again lol
I don't think it's weird. We're living in one of the best eras ever for firearms in terms of
all different price points performing at least good enough all the way up to fantastic.
Canik. ??? Seriously?😂
@@edwardl.990 I laughed at Canik too. They actually make good guns.
Dude, a canik, seriously??
I’d love to see your Top 5 Guilty Pleasure guns. Guns that, by all measures, are not good, yet you can’t help but enjoy them.
Thank you for this great opinion piece! Your knowledge is what we tune in for! You also just elevated your jokes to a next level… had me laughing throughout. P.S., I would suggest most FN’s are overrated, or at least, priced way over their practical value. Not sure if that’s the same thing.
Nope. FNs are superb right out the box. I love my FNX 45 and FN 509 tactical. If you think those two are overrated you don't even shoot.
Ive been considering a 43x or p365. A store/range here at home says they've never sent a glock back for anything in the 11 years theyve been in business but have sent multiple p365s back to sig. I currently carry a s&w sheild. Never had trouble. And its not on the list. Hooray!
Update. 12 days later.
Found a shop that has a Glock 43x mos for $389. Ain't gonna pass that up! Running a special for police and veterans.
What do you think about the kids at the shelter who might be watching and hearing those foul expletives. Great support.
I picked up a Springfield XDM-Elite 3.8" compact, this thing is an absolute BEAST not sure why Springfield discontinued it. Double stack slim great ergonomics, especially if you have big hands and a nail driver. The slide is set up for red dots and has rails for lights, stole this for $399. Excellent pistol!!!!!!!!!!
This is why he’s called the honest outlaw
Funny thing is I've only had one P320 and it's been the most reliable pistol I ever had. Runs any ammo never a malfunction, mot even once. It is big and long, handling those large weapons takes some getting used to.
Thank you bro, someone in here who doesn’t just hate on the sig
Nearly 5000 rounds through mind and had 1 failure to return to battery, and that was on the second mag I put through it. Sometimes I wonder how these people have so many problems with multiple guns, seems like there's a user issue going on
I've put about 4000 rounds through my M17. I don't clean it as often as I should. Have never had a single problem with it. I find it to be extremely accurate. To each their own.
I have a p320 in 45 and love it. Firearms are very personal and subjective everyone has a preference. I like the design the weight and how it feels in my hand when firing. Funny thing is the 9mm m17/p320 are the only ones that are bad from what I have seen.
Glocks are $250 guns at a $500 price point
Same with all of Glocks competition. No polymer handgun should be more than $300. But it’s okay you are clearly a butt hurt Glock hater.
Except they are more reliable than most guns worth over $1000 and have an endless amount of aftermarket parts.
@@joebauers3746bro he’s a butt hurt Glock hater. Little does he know HO has had a Glock in the number one spot on 2 out 3 videos on HO top 5 favorite handguns.
@@joebauers3746 That's all they got going for them.. There are plenty models just as reliable these days with better out of the box features for much cheaper price ranges. Glock has stayed stuck in the mud for too long now
@@joebauers3746that’s what they don’t want to admit glocks track record is the best in the industry and you can’t debate that
Agreed, with the exception of the Glock- the actual Glock, not the clones.
Interestingly, my issued p320 has been the *most* reliable duty gun I've used since firsts getting it some six years ago. I don't particularly like it. Ergos are kinda goofy for me. Stupid thing has been utterly reliable though and has withstood regular duty holster wear for years so I can't really complain about durability either. I can confidently hit an 8in plate at 25m so I'm happy with accuracy. If it rode a little lower in the hand (closer to a p365) and didn't have such a weird big grip for my little ass hands, I'd have literally no complaints about it. I'm told we can now replace our grip modules with aftermarket ones so that should fix the latter problem but it's still always going to feel tall just because of how tall the fcg is.
Most overrated gun I've experienced has been the original M&P, also being my first duty gun. They were problem children from the beginning and I spent a few weeks total carrying my personal Glock on duty while mine was being worked on. My peers loved the ergos but I hated everything about them and I was very glad when we canned them for a new gun. Apparently enough other people agreed that S&W went back and did an iterative update on the weapons. By all accounts the 2.0 is a fine gun, I just have no real interest in it.
100% agree. My P320 was awesome in terms of reliability. I didn't find it as snappy as some folks, but certainly more than any other duty sized 9mm I've owned. I absolutely LOVE the feel of the M&P in my hand, but the trigger on the Gen 1 was hot garbage - the worst, gritiest trigger on any gun I've owned. The 2.0 is a dream.
As far as your hand size: Sig makes several sizes of duty length grip modules. S, M, and L iirc.
Back when I worked at the gun store... The two case queens that got lots of looks but few purchases were on this list. FN 5.7 and Desert Boat Anch...err... Eagle!
I have gone with Smith&Wesson M&P .22, .40SW,.45 and as others have stated with crap ammon or good quality stuff o issues. Only .22 has the safety the .40SW was original M&P .45 is 2.0 version.
But your content is outstanding and nice and blunt.
Thanks
Every Sig Sauer pistol in that I've bought new has been sent in for warranty work in the 1st 6 months
I've heard this sort of thing a lot about Sigs... not to hate or anything. I haven't tried one. Never had an issue with a Glock, Beretta etc though by comparison.
I def prefer the gun that isn't going to be in the shop when I need it.
The drop safe issue was resolved by Sig with replaced triggers about 6 years ago. However Dallas PD took it's predecessor off of the approved list for carry when the controversy spun up.
What does Dallas PD have to do with anything lol is there a particular reason we should care what they think? jw
The P320 drop issue was resolved. They offered a free fix for the ones affected. Since then, they have manufactured them differently to address the issue
You have not been paying attention have you? 20 lawsuits since December of last year that say otherwise.
@@brendendick9287, 20 Lawsuits is enough for you? I guess former President Trump being indicted multiple times proves that he did wrong so many times.
Anyone can bring a lawsuit now of days for any reason. I can likely sue you for something you will state after you this. Does it mean I will win? No, it does not.
Some of those if you research were user error. Either putting them in a gym bag or purse with no holster. Or, some using holsters that may be compatible but allow debris into the trigger guard area. Others could be due to malfunctions but it is quite hard now of days looking at the internals of the firearms. Though, I am not a gun smith yet.
cope 😂
Don't watch much TH-cam huh?
@@spacewhales9129, No need too. Guess what sells the most in my gun library? It certainly isn’t what you think. Oddly, the Sigs sell faster than any other handgun I have on display. Here shortly I am going to have more M&P’s, XD’s and Glocks than I will Sigs.
The fact they Glock released the original 43 without an optic cut or rail, and limited it to 6 rounds, boggled my mind. Then the 43X comes out but only bumps it up to 10, still no rail, no optic. Then finally the 43X MOS has the rail and optic cut, but still only 10 rounds. Why can everyone else manage to figure it out? That being said I still own many Glocks.
Personally I don’t mind that the p320 doesn’t have a trigger safety. I don’t like trigger safeties, I think they’re not as useful as other kinds of safeties. I’m much more worried about the “fires on its own” rumors personally.
Barretta 92FS - 0 issues, even with Wolf ammo
Barretta APX - 1 failure to feed
Glock 40 (10mm) - 1 failure to feed, but is the gun I shoot best with and have shot the most.
The rest are 6 shooters which of course have never had a problem.
Sig P320 is incredibly unreliable, however I have been very fortunate with my P365 when using Sig Mags.
Idea for upcoming video, the top 5-10 handguns that surprised you from what they claim they were. Good or bad ways.
Maybe true on the Glock when comparing Gen 5 to competitors. But so long as you can still find brand new Gen 3 Glock 17s/19s for about $499.99 (plus tax) at places like Academy, then the price-for-reliability is really hard to beat. Esp. considering how universal the platform has become, which means accessories like holsters, lights, extra magazines, and sights are widely available and affordable. Often priced lower for the Glock than competitors like the M&P (e.g., Ameriglo Cap sights). Speaking of sights...You are going to probably change the sights out on any pistol you buy off the shelf so that's a wash.
Ha! Gen 3 is all we are allowed to buy in California. Guess I lucked out when I got my 19.
Gen 3s are awesome. No clue why they went away with the finger grooves. That was my favorite part.
Serious question.
Are the various 5.7mm pistols magazine interchangeable? FN made 30 round extended magazines for many years...
What do you think about the Springfield XD subcompact
I had a standard, base level P320 that I liked a lot better than the M18’s I’ve shot. The trigger action is beautiful, and I never had a malfunction. Yeah, it’s chunky, but in 9mm, it’s not like it’s jumping out of your hands on the recoil. I had solid accuracy with it. Glocks are fun to tinker with and upgrade, but Idk who’s buying them new. Get a used one and turn it into something cool. I like my 17 just fine now that I changed the trigger, the sights, the striker spring, the recoil spring, and added grip tape.
Smith m&p most underrated.
As someone who works at a Gun Store/Range I clear a malfunction in a Glock almost daily. Most of them are user induced but they do in fact malfunction. If we are talking about overrated guns id say about any Glock on the market. There are so many amazing options on the market, many at a similar or better price.
I love Glock as well, but they are a little stagnant. The MOS and the professional trigger should be the factory standard.
Milwaukee Police Department got rid of their 320s because of accidental discharge.
The desert eagle 50 is not overrated because it's a novelty gun. I have one and it definitely is a fun gun to take to the range and puts a smile on your face. Yes not very reliable but also it is not practical in any way.
Some people just deserve to have their opinion relied on, you are one of them my red bearded Brother! I have never been one to fully trust a striker fired pistol, I'm a hard core DA/SA guy. I carry the trusty Sig M-1 as my daily. Appreciate ya!
I own the Sig 329, be careful it will cut your thumb. Use to carry it, the Ruger LCR replaced it as my everyday carry.
This is definitely one of your funnier videos. Please keep the comedy coming!
43X is my first. No probs so far (maybe 400 rounds). Little hockey tape went a long way for comfort. Its been perfect.
Sometimes the biggest act of courage is a small one.
With the exception of the Sig P320 I am in agreement. I have had my P320 for over 8 years, way before it became popular. My EDC is the 9mm in the medium grip, but I also have this in .45 in the full size. I fine both easy to shoot and at over 1000 rounds of various ammunition have never had any issues. I have dropped it several times by accident and not once had it fire. I probably clean my gun too much, but I enjoy the process. Maybe my smaller hands are better suited to this weapon. I have several others but find this one to be my favorite.
I really, really like, respect and admire a guy like you who can admit that a gun he likes has its flaws. I'm sure you have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances that includes fanboys of the 1911 or the Glock. And to hear some of these guys talk, you'd think their pistols could even wash dishes and change the baby's damn diaper. And nothing makes me smile bigger than to see one of these guys proceed to firing off a string -- and their gun doesn't hiccup -- it belches, pukes and farts.
I will say you have a much higher opinion of the Desert Eagle than do I, but that's the beauty of being an American.
Thank you for a great entertaining bit of video that was also enlightening. Before today, I'd never heard of that Russian Special Forces pistol, and I'm glad to have gotten to know about it.
Curious what you think of the Tokarev? I have a yugo (M57) that I love. Was hard chromed by the importer, and it is pretty slick.
I'm a firearms instructor, and have been a long time. The Glock is the best all around pistol there is. Its good at everything. Mind you, I said good, not great. I haven't found a pistol great at everything. I've been through so many I cant remember them all. All price ranges, all different options, modifications, etc. If I had to choose one pistol, unmodified, for life based on durability, Glock has proven itself. Just a humble opinion from someone who shoots competitively and has worked in most environments strapped up.
I have a SIG X-carry and while it isn’t the same as the M117/118 series, it has been exceptionally reliable. I have thousands of rounds through this pistol and I have had no malfunctions, I do keep it reasonably clean and have been very pleased wi th it. It also has great sights and is very accurate. So while I can’t defend the M127 I will defend the X-Carry.
I do agree with most of the points you have, but I also disagree with a few of them
1. Some calibers are understandably weaker comapred to others, but comparing it to 5.56 is honestly a little touchy. For reference, the 5.7 wasn't intended to replace the 5.56, but mostly to have similar ballistics and piercing while maintaining a small size. In simple terms, it was supposed to reedefine the SMG, and saying it's a little lackluster when it is worse than a rifle cartridge doesnt add up that well.
2. It's understandable to choose a better alternative when one is overall impractical (cue the Desert Eagle). But even so, being famous and iconic aren't to be undermined as much as they usually are. Some people can simply stick with a weapon they've had because it has great memories, served them well, or even is just a weapon they love. TheRussianBadger himself has quite some experience shooting handguns, and yet still buys guns he knows and loves, i.e. Glock 17 and FN 5.7
I still love the video and gives some good insights and alternatives, and you got my respect for that
Funny how it’s always Glock TH-camrs who have “reliability issues” with the 320 when everyone else says the polar opposite 🤡
I own a SIG P320. Its from the first year they came out with it... I sent it back for a new trigger after the drop safe controversy. I used to say, well I don't drop my guns, so I'll be fine. I still sent it out to get fixed anyway. I was happy at the time, that sig addressed it and "fixed" it basically for free. Win right? Well I don't know if you saw that video of the officer bending over to pick up a suspects legs, and his 320 discharged, WHILE IT WAS IN HIS HOLSTER, nearly hitting a friendly. It's an unloaded safe queen that might get pulled for a range day, but that's it from that day on. I don't own a large amount of firearms, so I'll keep it for now, but it scares the fuck out of me.
You need to get the manual safety version.
My cousin has owned 2 m18s. He sold both in under a year. Both had reliability and qualities issues. Not worth $600+
I own 3 Pistols.
A Walther PPK
A Walther GSP and
A Glock 17. I love both Walthers but i nearly never shot the Glock. It‘s just not fun shooting it.
Gotta say I've had no issues with my glocks. 20, 21, 17 and 45.
I used to own a Deagle...
Spot on with that assessment.
In the service i hated the Beretta. Then i got one that had not been molested by 5000 2nd LTs and 100 different semi retarded armorers. Now I love the Beretta.
I actually went back to the goalpost sights. Been in two gun fights, g23 that’s what I know
Love it that you put P320 as #1 as your honest opinion without any fear of offending sig or the p320 fanboys that came out in droves and are mostly missing the point. Keep this kind of content up.
Top #5 pistols under 1K with the best trigger out of the box next?
guarantee if your handgun made the list your panties would be all soiled and you would get on here and spam how stupid he is.
The IMI Desert Eagles (Made in Israel) are well made and quite reliable. We have a number of them running flawlessly in our shooting club (mostly in .357 and .44 Magnum). The US made Desert Eagles may look fancy, but they suck in terms of reliability. Would be interesting to know what brand your DEs were.
I've tried just about everything and couldn't find anything that made more sense to carry than a Glock 19.
That's interesting that all those add-ons for the Glock...make it less reliable. I have actually seen this a bit, because as I watch PoliceActivity channel religiously (which featured body/dash cam footage of serious officer involved shootings), I can safely say that I've have seen 5-10% of gunfights on that channel where cops using Glocks have had failure to feed issues...some with extended mags/add-ons, some stock. Granted, some of it is likely limp-wristing in a stressful event. But sometimes it's way worse than just a spent case hang-up, there are a couple of tense vids where the officer is cursing because they cannot get their Glock to rechamber or fire...kinda frightening actually.
And I say this as a Glock owner of 2 G19s...but I am also NOT a fanboy of them, buuuuuut...once you get comfortable with them, they still do have their strengths (ease of use, easy to fieldstrip/clean, normally very reliable action when stock).
I paid 700 for my canik/salient elite combat and its been awesome
I have been asked to repair many weapons years ago but the worst was sent back without even cleaning it.
When an engineer tells you the pistol should never be loaded and/or fired it is best to take that advice to heart.
One "malfunction" was with the operator. RNU (read and understand) the paperwork. This little trick will answer many questions before asked.
I am a firm believer in gun control even though I do not own one.
I have seen far too many mistakes.
Gotcha on the Desert Eagle. Try a Wildey. In '90 I shot a friend's Wildey in .45 Win. Mag. and it was reliable and accurate enough. And it is a big, impressive gun.
I have been beat up for years for my Glock hatred. Not that I think they are a useless pistol, but for the price they are not worth having.
Bruh really said a Springfield echolon better than a Glock? My friend Springfield kept falling apart 😂😂😂
Idk, PSA did a decent job with the PSA Dagger. I have no complaints. Also for those who can't wait and save up for a GUCCI glock PSA is good, cause you can build it as ypu go and it works well.
For me, it was the FN LS Edge. It fell light years short of the hype.
A "competition gun" that sucks at competition, and isn't even legal for a couple classes due to it's magwell. The LS Edge is a PoS.
I wanted to like the Edge but it was a lot of money for a really crappy trigger.
Just a 509 with the long slide would be cool. They way over did it and over priced it
I rented one at my local range and the stock sights were basically unusable, there was like an 1/8th inch of daylight on each side of the front sight post when aiming down the sights. I had a hard time getting a good group with it and it's a heavy 5 inch race gun
Agree, they tryed hard to make a copycat VP9 long slide and failed. But do like there AR's
Definitely hit a lot of points that others would not be willing to say either out of fear of losing their sponsorship, or detracting their fanbase. Great content as always.
Well said
I guess they use it if it aint broken. Don't fix it!!! It's like the 1911 of striker fired pistol
@gunrightsmafia9867 tbh, 1911s are just like Glocks. They require LOTS of fixing. I carried a 1911 for years, and I love mine. Still, they're both like a 60s muscle car - gotta spend a lot of time under the hood keeping things running.
@mfuchs2004 yea i know I got 5 1911s and two 2011s and they do need cleaning but that's what every gun if u want reliable guns but I don't know about your glocks but mine run smooth without much cleaning!!! Every person is different on how they use there firearms and some of the same firearms work and some don't aka springfield prodigy just to name one
@mfuchs2004 my pops got a glovk that he had for a year and never cleaned it and it still runs and I know many people on the street level who never ever clean there guns and they use trash mags and some jam and some worked without cleaning
Been following your channel for a couple of years. I’ve bought a couple based on your reviews. And I’ve avoided many for the same reason. Love the fact that you and Mrs Honest Outlaw are the most real people on this platform. REALLY love the Mrs reaction when you don’t check your language! Keep up the good work people! I’m here for you.
they really are great together.
I personally love Glock, reliable, the grip angle is my favorite (grew up shooting Glocks). Glock is also the only manufacturer that (personally) I have been able to take out of the box and run all the cheap ammo I buy through with no issues or jams.
Years ago, I was having trouble with Speer ammo in my Sig P228. Dented the primers occasionally, just didn't go bang. Fed those through my Glock, and they all went bang. I shoot better with my Sig's (228 and 226) for some reason, but the Glock handles everything I've fed it.
You must not shoot a lot of different guns if it’s the only one that runs cheap ammo out of the box. Most guns these days are reliable. Glock just doesn’t have anything going for it anymore. A lot of brands make guns that are better yet cheaper than Glock.
One thing I’ve learned is the only people who really hype up Glock are the people who’ve never really shot any other firearm than a Glock
Yep
@@johnj8840except there aren’t a ton of ex special forces guys on TH-cam. Second, an edc doesn’t necessarily mean they’re “hyping it up”. Sounds like all you know is Glock, lol.
Not true at all. My 1st gun was a beautiful Sig 229 duo tone in .40 then a Dan Wesson 1911 bobtail. And scrapped em for glocks. But you know best lol
Point gun, pull trigger, goes bang every time. Light weight, good capacity and super easy to armorer. From a police firearms instructor and armorer that makes it okay! There are other good striker fired guns like the M&P, but they are more difficult to armorer/maintain.
That's how I feel about my SIG 😂 the only other handgun I've shot was a stainless steel 1911 but it didn't feel right in my hands. I'm sure there's a 1911/2011 out there that fits well in my hands
One of, if not the best, most transparent, knowledgeable and straight forward gun tubers out there. Thanks for the awesome content you always put out.
As a newer gun owner , I often hear "Glocks are wonderful after you change out certain parts" which is why I do not own a glock
Just got my Glock 41 I’ve put 1000 rounds into it not not a single jam yet I clean it about every 300 to 400 rounds too not going to lie yes it is over priced but it’s definitely not overrated
Which I just paid more out the box for my FN509C Tactical and just be done with it. Put over 10k rounds through it. Flawless and the trigger broke in nicely after a couple thousand rounds.
Had my glocks for a while and other brands as well and man they definitely get better with age. Got a new one recently and hate it lol
Exactly. Unless you already have a stock of Glock mags and parts (which admittedly many do), doesn’t make much sense as a new gun owner in 2023 to go with Glock. Especially when M&P’s, FN’s, CZ’s and VP’s can be had for so cheap.
@@Nicksarmsit being over priced is one reason they are overrated. Glocks are $300 guns that cost $600. Most guns from the big brands will go bang without fail until the barrel wears out. Glock just doesn’t have anything going for them.
The aftermarket is probably what’s kept Glock alive. I have a 19 and like it but if the gen 5 was cheaper I probably would of went to it before getting a canik, cz and 320.
Yeah I haven't bought a glock yet. I will be buying one soon though lol
@@janneman27😄
@@janneman27if you’re going to be a grammar nazi then use proper punctuation yourself. An ellipse is … not …. . Also that’s not how they’re used
Eh... Glock really doesn't need the aftermarket. People who want their Glock to be something it isn't, need the aftermarket. Most should have just bought a different gun.
The average person who buys a Glock, including military and law enforcement will never make a single modification, or aren't allowed to.
I've seen at least 3 surveys/questionnaires that have indicated as many as 77% of all gun owners shoot less than 3 times a year. If the numbers are even close to being accurate, you can bet there are a lot of Glocks in that group, and those folks aren't tricking out their bedside/carry gun.
I spoke however I want to spoke
I’m surprised the FN 5.7 is still $1500. I would have expected the price to go down with the additional options out there from other manufacturers.
1200 now in most places
The psa 57 is pretty good and way cheaper
I really had the hots for a 5.7 FN a few yrs ago; but in the end I just could not answer why. Yet they still very $$.
The fact you put Glock on this list convinced me you are indeed the Honest Outlaw. Fine guns, just overrated. Well done Chris, well done.
Fact?
@@j.h.6328Yes. They're fine guns. But no longer the GOAT.
Meh, they still good enough for Seals, CAG, Rangers, Marsoc, Green Berets etc...
@@hectorrivera6624 No one is saying they're bad. They're good enough but people gush over them as if they're God's gift to the firearms industry which they're not. They're solid, reliable and shoot straight enough for 90% of the population.
@@iamme625 Everyone has their own preferences. Thats why all the bickering. Is a tool, as long as when you pull the thing and it fires a thing whenever you need to, is fine with me. I got plenty Glocks, 1911's, Sigs (P-series and M17) and just suggested a a S&W M&P to my brother who lives in Massachusetts. All good guns, I just like and suggest proven things. My carry is either a G19, G43 and Sig P229.
I’ve had multiple situations where my Glocks have failed. However if I document them, people lose their minds in the comment section. Thank you for the video.
You're not alone. Disappearing sights, broke disconnecter springs, etc. Not living up to the hype (and being stuck in 1982) is why I don't own one.
In Brazil, if you ever say that glock fail, you'll be burned in a football stadium.
Ammunition malfunctions are not the Glocks fault.
I’m not a Glock fan boy. I bought a 19X out of pure curiosity, and it’s been decent.
If you ever watch any police videos, officers are constantly clearing malfunctions on their sidearms in just about every service pistol platform they're using.
It’s always a good day when a new Honest Outlaw video comes out.
Was about to comment the same thing 😂
it is
Him and mrgunsngear’s intro are euphoric
Yeppers!
You are 💯 % correct
Totally disagree with you Chris.
Glock wasn’t about civilian markets.
So I’m confused how people always try to compare newer guns to Glock.
Glock is in a category all by itself so I don’t agree with this at all.
I still think you are a great gun tuber and definitely know a lot about firearms but this video I have to disagree.
But who cares? I don’t have a 1M subscribers so I’m sure some people will be mad at me. 🤷🏾♂️🤣
I have 12-1500 rds through my P320 Compact and have yet to experience a malfunction. I agree that if you carry appendix, you might want to consider another option
I'm up to 4000 rounds through the M17 and still haven't had a malfunction
@@mattmurphy7030 Only takes 1 round to blow pistol pete off
lol@@terrybogard21
Im 200 rounds into my p365 and I only had malfunctions breaking it in the first I'd say about 10-20 rounds and a good slide lubing. After that it was smooth sailing.
"Glock is the best handgun ever made" Me
Glock, don't fix what ain't broke. Aggressive grip angle, low bore axis, accurate, 3rd party support, good slide coating, boring reliability. Love em
Easy to disassemble completely using a single punch
And al that comes from the 1911
Grip hump that ruins a natural point of aim for almost everyone that trains on any other pistol and does nothing for recoil control (An M&P or CZ recoil impulse is the same and gets back on target better due to a natural point of aim). Garbage sights. Bad ergos. Pathetic afterthought backstrap design. And these issues could EASILY be fixed by Glock without changing the simplicity or reliability of a Glock. They just refuse to advance or do anything worth a shit. Pretty much every other manufacturer has surpassed Glock out of the box.
@@Berserkable they should really change the sights on thier next gen glocks and maybe slim the grip a bit
The P320 probably has a high bore axis because they designed to be compatible with P250 parts. The P250 was a DA/SA hammer-fired gun released by Sig a few years before the P320 that also had a removable fire control unit. The P320 was really a conversion of the P250 and was also Sig's first ever striker-fired handgun. That it wasn't a total dumpster fire is actually impressive considering how many other companies have jumped into the handgun game and failed epically.
Welcome to the coping section. 😂
And we have to remember that the 250 was intended to mostly retain holster compatibility with common duty lights, so it was tall by design to take after its 220/225 predecessors. I've long lamented that Sig didn't use the 365 as an opportunity to sunset the p320 and its legacy dna and start a new path with the smaller and by all accounts equally robust and reliable fire control group to build out both a duty gun line and a concealed carry line.
@@EastCoastMan603 what coping? The 320 is a fine gun. A ton of people out there who have no reliability problems, no problems with them going off unintentionally (how come it's all cops? how come absolutely no one has been able to recreate the pistol going off without a trigger pull? drop safety was fixed years ago as well). I have 2, an m18 and a p320 x carry, and both have been reliable, accurate, soft shooting, and just all around awesome firearms. The bore axis argument is old, considering some of the guns a lot of people love (1911/2011, PDP) also have a high bore axis and don't get the hate. I don't know why HO has had so many problems with 320s, maybe the guns are sentient and knows he doesn't like them so refuse to run for him? doubt it.
And it's not like I'm all Sig. He mentioned the APX A1 being a better pistol and yes, it is a fine gun (I own one). I shoot the 320 better though. The APX ergos just don't work for me. I think it's a very underrated pistol, with a great trigger, soft shooting, accurate. It just doesn't work with my hands. 320s do.
People like what they like.
I have a P250, and while it is a hammer-fired DAO, it is supremely reliable. I have the mid-frame 15 rds capacity model, and it used to serve me as a concealed carry piece until I got an HK P30 V3. I like my carry guns with a hammer.
@@desperateneedofscotch I bought it from a gun store in Merrimack, NH, in 2010 or 2011 I believe was the year. Brand new out of the showcase. Great pistol. I also have a first or second run full size P320. Comparing the two, the P250 just seems, I don’t know, better made maybe? Like just a bit better fit and finish. The 250 came with Siglite night sights, also. The 320 did not.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I'm already waiting for the P320 hate.
You beat me to it! I literally stopped the video to post the exact same comment…lol
Everyone has different experiences and opinions. So hopefully they don't take the point in this video the wrong way. I greatly appreciate your experience, perspective and information. I always learn something new with every video🙃 Thank you
You're right about not buying a pistol surrounded by controversy. I was excited about the MC9,but it feels like hit or miss. Decided to purchase a Sheild Plus instead.
Caniks bigger guns are fantastic tho. I have a TP9SFX Rival and I cannot stop espousing its virtues to random strangers. Its just so fast.
I Was Going To Trade My Canik Tp9 SC For It But The MC9 Was Having So Many Issues After A Couple Rounds
My MC9 must be a hit, because I haven’t had any problems at all!
@lucasblanchard47 I am truly glad for you. The HO also had no problems throughout a thousand rounds. I just would be beyond pissed if I bought it and had problems. Taking the safe route
@nwaites01 my shooting partner has a Canik Tp9 and has never had a problem with it. I know that they make good pistols. I just won't take a chance on the MC9.
I've had a couple of Glocks fail on me as well. Decided to go with the Beretta 92X Compact and it has been one of the most reliable guns I've owned. Sent it to Langdon Tactical to work their magic and it shoots great. Might be a bit overpriced because of the custom work, but I carry it confidently.
As long as it serves you well and you’re ok with the price, that’s all that matters
Same a 19x and a 45
I've been carrying the Beretta PX4 Storm compact. Stippled the grip, upgraded to tritium sights and dropped in the Langdon trigger job in a bag. A bit heavier than many carry pistols but after thousands of rounds through it I'm confident it will do it's job should the occasion arise.
92X RDO was great for me, but for duty use it had some really annoying rust issues due to the work sites I was guarding at the time (summertime in Arizona, so torrential downpours combined with moon dust on dry days). I stopped using it for duty because of that, and the mags I got with it weren't rust proofed either. I love it as a gun, it's a sexy piece and I'd never hesitate to carry it, but believe it or not, my 19X has served me better as a duty gun for maintenance reasons alone, and my DR920 War Poet has done even better for that purpose.
Gallatin TN Berettas definitely have more QC issues than any Austrian built Glock. That said when you get a good one the 92x RDO has a phenomenal trigger.