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- Doris Burke reacts to newly-surfaced audio of Michael Jordan in 2011 contradicting his "Last Dance" comments about Isiah Thomas and the 1992 USA Dream Team.
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Would it be easier to ask who actually DID want Isiah to play on the Dream Team?
The best players from America, he earned the right
especially when it is a team sport.....
@@jukejones7594 Thomas disrespected the game, he is not an Olympic Athlete who can honestly take the Olympic Oath as a sportsman.
@@jukejones7594 he earned the right as a great athlete but being on the team was a privilege.
Exactly! This doesn’t take away from the Isaiah being one of the best PG’S of all time but he rubbed them the wrong way. I dislike that most of these guys can’t own up or just say they didn’t want him on the team. He disrupts their chemistry that summer and they knew they didn’t need him to win. He had fault in that.
Bro why is it all on mj when MAGIC,CHUCK, SCOTTIE, and LARRY didnt like em either ??
Scottie pippen plz go to the bar
cole eason this guy
Cool Breeze how did he lie ? The man didnt say Zeke cant play on the team he said if zeke play im not playing he didnt dictate anything it was still rod thorn and chuck daly choice obvious they gone choose mj but still
Jordan didn't want Isaiah Thomas on the team but it was already predetermined before he talked to Rod Thorn. So he didn't keep Isaiah Thomas off the dream team!
Barkley said he didn't have a problem with Isiah. Larry Bird could barely walk yet he was on the team because of what? Credentials correct? Well Isiah had everyone but 2 players on that roster beat in the credentials department.
"Friends can come and go, but banners hang forever."
- Kobe Bryant (that sounds so MJ too)
That's actually a sad commentary. I would counter with when Kobe died, banners didn't console his wife and children; friends did.
Both of you very well said
Nothing seen with the naked eye is forever.
So if im not mistaken you are in love with Michael Jordan and you rank him as the number 1 guy so if you like you can go on the radio program and show your facts that Michael Jordan is the number 1 guy then .
What do you say pat4clippers bout that?? The gayest fan of MJ 😂
I want MJ to stand up and tell the world, “Yeah, I didn’t want Isiah. So what?”
🙌🙌🙌
Mj should just own it people wouldn't c hi any different
it was no secret, but its rude to tell someone they are ugly even its the truth
He a sucker that’s y he ain’t done that
I think mj just forgotten it 🤣
Michael technically didn’t kick isiah out. Jordan “gave” a choice - either him out or isiah out. The committee made the decision.
None of that changes the fact that he lied (no matter how you slice it). I don't care one bit about MJ refusing to play if Isiah's on the team (the guy was a thug and got what he deserved). But I do take issue with Jordan dancing around his role in what went down.
You are definitely on to something, and we see l to I. Mic'20
Stop! You don't even believe that bull you spewing.
@@rickmemmer5625 clearly you don't know what a thug is...
Silvester W, you're a special kind of stupid aren't you?
To be fair though, Michael Jordan never said "don't put Isiah Thomas on the team". He gave Rod the choice, ala "I won't play if Isiah is on the team". In other words, "it's either me or him, you choose". As opposed to "I'm on the team, don't you dare put Isiah on the team". There's a big difference.
And even if he did say that, I wouldn't blame him. Isiah played hard and I respect that, but he also played dirty and that I can't respect
It's bigger than that even. If mj didn't play. The others would likely bow out too
MJ as good as said don't put Zeke on the team. Who in their right mind would pick Zeke over MJ. This was no choice. It was an ultimatum man.
@@shravansatyanarayan1665 Sure. But he didn't say it. In 2016 Olympics when LeBron bowed out. Other marquee guys also didn't go. Whether because of zika virus or otherwise
@@zezetravels they all played dirty lol. They didn't show you the bulls dirty play
Doris knows so much about basketball. It's good to have her on the panel
She is the real deal.
K
She needs to host her own show
Way better than Rachel Nichols. The Derrick Rose basher
Great sideline reporter and game analyst
Doris should've had the whole segment to herself. She's way more qualified than the two former football players.
That was I was thinking they had no business talking. They both said alot of nothing
And she said it best when she said that others had a hand in it as well. People want to put all the blame on MJ, but Magic was also someone who didn't want Isiah on the team.
She definitely is not qualified.
Matter a fact.
I'd rather have a "swordmaster" comment on the fighting progress of a "swordsman"...
She doesn't belong in this conversation.
Just being honest.
Lebron James opinion would be valued a million times over.
Let's not even talk about interviewing MAGIC JOHNSON, LARRY BIRD, KAREEM, CHAMBERLAIN, CHARLES OAKLEY, STEVE KURR, KUKOC, ETC...
Why are you all(ESPN&OTHERS) trying to force unwanted female commentators down our throats.
LEAVE US(MEN/SPORTS) ALONE!!!
Don't care for someone telling me about something that they never did themselves.
@@hexxdeus6852 : Basketball is basketball and as a former standout on the collegiate level and a possible 1st rd pick who do to injury was unable to make it to the pros, not to mention she has covered this sport for decades , one would say shes more than qualified. A basketball HOFer, she's not just a reporter. She is a former player who is respected around the league and have personal relationships with many of the players past and present including Lebron. You may not want to hear her opinion but those of us who know her true credentials dont mind listening to her insight. This woman has been on the scene since 1991. She's not new to this and she's not being forced down anyone's throat.
Side note even at 54 she can still get it so I wouldn't mind the taste if she was...lol
She's annoying
When I saw Doris I clicked
Simp
@Kishon Moore beside her beauty she is a great commentator
Ha
Chris what beauty
LMAO LMAO true
So much more to this story??
You mean like Isiah saying that if Bird was black, he'd just be another player?
Questioning Magic's sexual orientation?
Or how bout the obvious fact that Isiah and the Pistons played dirty and crossed the line many times with fouls that could have ended careers because they couldn't win with pure basketball?
Why is Isiah now acting like the victim? These guys didn't just wake up from bed and started disliking Isiah.
@@Stefanjohnchach I understand they squashed it and Im glad they did because I don't dislike Isiah and don't think he's a bad guy. They were actually beefing for a loooooong time and until recently squashed it. My point here was that Isiah is being portrayed as the victim but he was not at all perfect himself. There's a reason they hated him.
The Pistons wasn’t a dirty team they were a great defensive team. The Pistons couldn’t touch Jordan without getting a foul call against them so they just adapted to a harder style of play and got their moneys worth! You can’t win back to back championships by being dirty! They were very talented with a incredible defense.
Zeke was the boogie man of the nba cus he wasn’t no push over he fight anybody so if u a sucker an u finally get power then of course u ain’t gone invite the boogie man they all was scared of zeke the way I see it the toughest player ever to play in the nba an he was small Jordan a sucker like zeke said when I see these guys they be on my 🥜’s basically straight suckers
@@kingjohn6278 Nobody was sacred of them. They were just upset that they didn't play basketball. Would rather foul people to death.
Imagine how people would react if leaked footage came out about lebron if a similar situation happened
There’s a lot of dark stuff about LeBron. I mean, a lot. It will all come out in due time.
This is why i say most of the stuff in the last dance is BS. It was all to make MJ look good
@@AJ0880 hold onto that bitter hope for 25ish years. The docuseries will be ready then
LeBron is on PEDs.
@@AJ0880 lebron cheats on his wife with white girls that one lowkey secret
Doris was the only necessary take in this segment
They all had good takes this time - but yeah.
Martin McDonald I’m black and I still think the black dude is annoying
S/O to Doris Burke ‼️❤️
Glad to see she’s back and healthy 🙏🏾
Gotta love Doris Burke!
But why did he have to LIE about it!?! Just own it...
Real talk. That's why I can't respect him as a man
@@misterpete8001 nice guys choke all the time..
Own what? He still had nothing to do with it. He just said he's not going to play if hes on the team. They co uld of said well thats too bad, hes going to be. business decision at that point, jordan still didnt say he cant be on the team. He just said if he is then i have no interest in playing. Thats on the organization for keeping isiah off. They would just rather have MJ. Jordan wasn't twisting anyones arm and handpicking them.
Technically he didn’t lie. He never personally said don’t let Isaiah play on the team. He just gave em an ultimatum: it’s me or Isaiah. Lol they obviously chose the better player. If they chose Isaiah then Jordan would have chilled back at the crib simple as that.
How did he lie? He said he didn't want to play with him and Chuck Daly didn't want him on the team.
Actually Jordan said "it wasn't me alone that didn't want Isaiah on the team" he never said he had nothing to do with it...smh come on Greeny
Exactly!!!!!!!!
Thank you! That is my recollection, and “Greeny” should be called out. This whole segment is off base and disappointing.
This...it's not a stark contrast. It is a similar statement. It wasn't Jordan alone.
Exactly!
Jordan said on the documentary that he had nothing to do with the decision. It's clearly a lie. And the thing is, there's no reason to lie about it. Just own up to it MJ.
They don't address "Chuck doesn't want Isiah ..." That should tell you something about Isiah.
his relationship with chuck daly went down hill once the players did the walk out vs the bulls. He felt disrespect and felt he lost the team ( felt Isaiah couldn't stopped what happened but he didnt) it made Daly look bad
A dead man can't defend himself..
We have no evidence it's true, it's just MJ's word which may be worthless.
Too bad Chuck's not around to answer if it's true.
It wasnt just Jordan. He was right in saying he didnt leave him off. Because a lot of other ppl also let him off.
He forced they hand tho
@@bballgriotd-e-e-e-troitbba604 Jordan didn't own The Dream Team, The Olympic Committee picks the team not Jordan
I think Michael Jordan nearly broke into tears because he isn't stupid. He knows he hurt people along the way. He knows he lost friendships by being that way. But that's the price it took at being the best.
Foxworth asks some good questions. The outrage against the Pistons is certainly selective. I think the reason why Jordan didn't like Isiah Thomas, is because Isiah's team beat Jordan's team regularly.
It appears Jordan's recorded statement in 2011, is the opposite of what he said in Last Dance.
But, given that many in the NBA, and on the Dream Team, thought the Pistons style of play was bad for basketball, why would the Coach of that Pistons team, that helped orchestrate that style of play, be on the Dream Team?
That doesn't make sense to me.
And if I'm Daly, I don't take that opportunity.
If i was part of creating that style of physically dangerous style of play, and my best player is taking the blam for it, and is excluded from the Dream Team, I'm excluding myself.
What's upsetting still, is for years, because of ratings perhaps, the NBA higher ups allowed it.
That style of dangerous play, the NBA higher ups should not have allowed.
And if the other Dream Teamers thought Pistons Basketball was bad for the game, no Pistons, Coaches and Players, should have been on the Dream Team.
That's a good point about Daley
Roflol. These people are pathetic. Last dance documentary quote "I said who's all playing... The guy you are thinking of isn't going". Who do you think that was referring to? Doesn't matter how it came across the obvious fact was made on the documentary. Mike wasn't playing if Thomas was playing.
That being said, why is there blame going around? If it were the other way around, do you think anyone was going to leave Jordan off the team to make sure Thomas had a spot? What is obvious and clear is that the selection process favored Jordan over Thomas. Thomas and you journalists crying over it and trying to find a story makes no difference. It is what it is. There is no blame to go around here. There is no story here. Stop being dramatic
Maybe Daly didn't coach them to be that way. Obviously the players who had a problem with Isaiah had no problems with the coach.
The guy tells MJ in the 2011 tape Chuck doesn't want Isaiah ergot MJ never had to flex any sway on the topic. MJ is a God and you people are insects.
What Opposite ?? In the audio Ron assured MJ that Chuck (Barkley) also doesn't want Isiah, So RON DECIDED that Isiah wouldn't be on the team.
WHICH PART SHOWS THAT IT WAS MJ'S DECISION TO EXCLUDE ISIAH ?
Mrs. Burke - class and smarts; the second reason to watch ESPN right behind Stephen A.
Stephen A. Smith is a gift to tv. One of the hardest workers on all of TV
Plus shes dating Drake 😂😂😂😂😂
I’d hit 😛😛😛
Doris has a great voice, is always pleasant, knows her stuff and she was a great ball player back in the day
Is this illegal, as far as mj stopping a player from playing in the Olympics? Could Isaiah actually sue mj or rod thorn
He threw chuck under the bus..
MJ most credible work 😂😂
Lmao
It's widely documented about half the team didn't want Isaiah there. Magic, pippen, mj, chuck, bird, malone. Everyone else followed suit. Since they understand chemistry. No mj, possibly ruin's the dream team. So an executive decision was made.
Jiron127 I agree but at the end of the day..come out and say yea I had some to do with it..don’t try deny it..
Jiron127 Lol....i bet the only person who DIDN'T have a problem with Isaiah Thomas was Christian Laetner 😂
Give Doris her own show!!!
I've watched the last dance 4 times and was never uncomfortable. The greatest basketball player to have ever lived is not perfect but he sure was on the court.
Zeke was a tremendous player but he did things against the top players of the league that absolutely cost him his shot on that team no matter how good he was
He beat the golden boys of the NBA bird magic Jordan that's a no no
What did he do besides beat them or are you speculating?
Dominique made a good point that I've thought to myself. Jordan ended up having a good relationship with Chuck Daly, but there is venom towards Isiah. Yes, the Pistons team crossed the line at times, Isiah was the leader, but Chuck was the head coach. There must be something that Isiah did that allows them to embrace Chuck and Dennis Rodman, but have disdain for Isiah. I don't know if it was the all star game freeze out or what.
I think the “Chuck” referred to on the podcast was Charles Barkley, not Daly.
Somebody should ask Dennis Rodman
The Pistons were haaaaaated bacl then, and they went with that image that everyone and esp the NBA created, and because Isiah wasnt a kissass poster boy like Magic and MJ. I feel the NBA was adamant to make sure Isiah was not there, just like what they did to Allen Iverson in the decade after
@@cactaceous yes he was referring to Barkley on that tape. But Jordan did form a relationship with Daly during that Olympics tho.
Jephtah Coe players despised the pistons because they were trying to end people’s careers. I would feel worse for Isiah if he took more responsibility. He’s got that huge smile of his but there’s a lot of shadiness behind it. Hes the definition of a snake in the grass.
Doris is fantastic. I love everything she does and says. I may not have agreed with every word she said, but I agree with how she said and put everything. We need more of her everywhere. She is the G.O.A.T.
This is what kills me about Jordan fans. They give the man a pass on EVERYTHING. He lied and got caught, like many people said just own/admit it. If you were big enough to do the act be big enough to take responsibility for it. Just like others in the comments have stated if this was any other player there would be pitchforks and torches.
He said he wouldn’t play if he played but he was told Isiah already wasn’t gonna be on the team because Chuck Daily who is Isiahs own coach didn’t want him on the team
It was Magic Johnson that kept Isaiah Thomas off the the team he said it in his own documentary.
There was a riff between Magic & Isaiah that Isaiah insulted Magic. So it was more Magic.
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There's a documentary that covers this. Nobody on that team wanted Thomas or Laimbeer on that team. They were called Bad Boy Pistons for a reason. Thomas was a dirty dirty player. Jordan, Pippen, Bird, etc all said they would not play on the team if Thomas was there. They didn't like him for a reason.
For those of us who witnessed the ascent of the Detroit Pistons from a mediocre team to a championship team realize that Isiah Thomas played a significant role in it. However, even though we cheered our home town heroes we knew that they adopted an "by all means necessary" as a tactic and did not rely on pure capability and talent. When Detroit eventually became champions it was not because they were indeed the best team or the most talented team, but because they were the team that would do everything necessary to win including dirty tactics. They knew it and we as fans knew it, but did not really care. Those who love the game knew that Isiah Thomas was a tremendously gifted talent and yet he knew that he had to rely on everyone pushing themselves to the limits to bring a championship to Detroit. So their triumph was that of their will and their willingness to adopt "by all means necessary" attitude. In retrospect the Pistons should admit that they adopted those tactics and have a little more class especially for players like Bill Lambeer. He in particular needs to refine his outlook as a human being. Isiah Thomas should have been included in the so-called "Dream Team" because he was talented despite what he did with his teammates to win a championship. Perhaps it an indictment of American sport culture that allows for dirty tactics to flourish rather than effort, talent and determination. Unfortunately, neither the very talented Isiah Thomas nor Michael Jordan can truly fathom how destructive some of their actions were in their pursuit of championship and the perspective of the human spirit. You can be great without destroying other human beings or make enemies of them. It is when you can win them over that you become great.
What are you talking about. They were physical so what. Rodman was physical as a book but that's cool because he's a bull. All the players did it. Just the pistons did it better. I watched their game. Everybody does what your saying mj, Larry a many more. It's apart of the game. Breaking your opponents down. Pistons just did it better. Mj did it his whole career. But that's cool because he's a scoring maniac. Guard him stop him. Triple team him. Smother the offense. It's all legal. As lso look up the basketball definition of dirty because cause I don't think you understand what it means. You make it sound like they were cheating.
Didn't someone correct this that "Chuck" wasn't Daly, but rather Barkley.
Still confused on which Chuck is what lol
Barkley
@@mrray7169 No it was Daly not Barkley.
Right. His coach wanted isaiah they talking about barkley
Eye thought they corrected it from Barkley to Daly. Win it 1st ran it said Barkley the next day they were saying Daly...idk
The big thing the Media and some People are Missing is on this tape Jack McCallum reports that when Rod Thorn says to Jordan Chuck doesn't Want Isiah on the Team....ITS ACTUALLY CHARLES BARKLEY....Not Chuck Daly the coach....So why are they not asking Barkley about it? As it seems it Was several players Beside Jordan who Didn't want Isiah on the Dream Team.
True story but we all know who was gonna be in the biggest spotlight on the world stage no Mike why even have the dream team bird was washed up magic wasnt even in the league and my lord I never dreamed of a team that had Stockton and not Zeke
NOBODY wanted to play with him. So what's the big deal
The big deal about it is he lied to protect a false narrative, if he lied about this, what else about the ‘Jordan legend’ is untrue?🤔 flu game??
Dominique Carter Well, apparently it wasn’t the flu, it was “food poisoning”.. But idk
False. Not everyone on the Dream Team had a problem with Isiah. Drexler, Ewing and Mullin have said they wouldn't have had a problem with him in the team.
@@drestathagangsta8880 You would mention the names who had no Influence.
That's not true, Clyde Drexler said he had no problem playing with him, and that other players neither had any problem with him. That interview is here on YT, search it.
We need more Doris! So eloquent.
Well... look at it this way - Chuck could've said "I'm not coaching if Isiah isn't on the team"... but he didn't.
Doris looks much younger without TV makeup.
She’s so awesome
Yeah 53 looks great on her.
Steve Dhi Awww racist you mad bc she love Black men and the ladies?
Isiah: this is personal
Jordan: u not included
Skip: jordan is right, i was there
😂😂😂
How come I never saw Skip in The Last Dance. Saw other media personalities plenty. But not him.
@@omnitheus5442 because he only covered them the 98 season. I do remember Skips column in the Union Tribune. I'm from Chicago. I was a paperboy at that time.
Skip was there for everything with zero footage of him in it.
@@Elemenopi23 you're talking about what you see. The question is what you read? Skip was a print reporter until 2000. From the rumble in the jungle to the last dance. You'll find his articles in all the papers he worked for. You don't believe me. Go to your university library and access their microfiche. Look for Chicago Union Tribune 1998. I bet you find his columns. I know because I read them after every Bulls game. I read them during the Home Run chase between McGuire and Sosa. Just look and you'll see
I always believe that no one on the team wanted Isiah Thomas on the Dream Team. Not Magic, not Bird, no even Karl Malone who elbow Isiah in December 91.... no one wanted Isiah on the team.
From what I heard MJ say on that recording, it sounds to me like the decision was already made before this particular conversation even took place. So you're right! no one wanted him on the team. There's nothing contradictory here.
Even Ewing commented about Thomas being left off the team because of the importance of team chemistry.
Chuck didn’t want him on the team? Mike didn’t want him? Magic didn’t want him. Isiah no one wanted him on the team.
This is so funny! It is well known to basketball fans from that era that Michael Jordan said " If Isiah Thomas is on the Dream Team, I'm not going to play". We also know that he was the last person to agree to do the Dream Team AND Bird, Magic, Pippen, Malone, Robinson and even Chuck Daily didn't want Zeke either! So when MJ says I had nothing to do with holding Isiah off he's telling the truth. The NBA chose MJ over Isiah Thomas.
ESPN clearly decided to let MJ say what he wants and then circle back for more content by correcting the nonsense ESPN allowed him to say.
Truth
Good point! If they didn't, they wouldn't have the documentary.
Thank you. ESPN played MJ. He finally fail into this social media trap.
Or Mj is just a liar lol stop blaming everyone but Jordan
@@ruthchukwuezi3124
Or maybe ESPN is trying to stay relevant.
5:10 and that’s the problem, the US National team wasn’t MJ’s personal hand picked squad. Not to mention the fact that if Isiah would’ve selected for the team, I’m like 99% most of his “issues” with those guys would’ve been squashed. Or at the least these fools wouldn’t still hate each other 30 years later.
What's the big deal,a lot of guys said they didn't want Isaiah to play,magic,Byrd,Barkley,karl etc. Isaiah and some of the pistons rubbed people the wrong way and it cost him,even thou he deserved to be on the team,it happened,its over,move on people.
Even though Mj and Isiah had their own beef at the time.I think Magic johnson wasn't cool with sharing the spotlight with Isiah.
The real problem is if Isiah is in, Jordan, Pippen, Magic are prob all out; and if Magic is out Bird is out. So who would you choose, Isiah or those 4. It's a no-brainer
It wasn't just Jordan though, a lot of guys there didn't want zeke on the team. This is a situation where guys are all near each other, practicing and playing together, you don't want a guy you don't like to break up the dynamic
It's not about the handshake, it's about the pistons were out to hurt people, and as the leader iasaiah paid the price. Hey that's what's happens when you're the best player , you pay the price. He should be blaming his pistons team mates
The GOAT doesn't have to explain anything.
MJ ain't the goat.
Kenya Kinard let me guess, lebron is the goat? How is he the goat when he’s the one who admitted to “chasing the ghost in Chicago” even your own goat admits to Jordan being the goat 😆😆😆
Episode 7 has this underrated quote from MJ. He said he tried getting Scott Burrell to fight him a couple times. Never could. MJ with the biggest smile says, "He's such a nice guy."
Not shaking hands back then was disrespect Jordan shook hands everytime he lost
Boston NEVER shook hands with no one what r u talking about
Sooo how you feel about larry bird? whom said out his own mouth thats just how things were done back then. Now all of a sudden MJ says its wrong the bball world shuts dow .
Well they all ready told MICHAEL THAT they had all ready decided that isiah Thomas was not going to be apart of the dream team so MICHAEL did not have to do or say anything it was all ready decided FOR him
I rest my case
@@davidmcdonald9412 your case is full of holes .. Jordan was the reason .. point blank period and he lied
@@cordellnash6848 but the point is that Jordan shook their hands the past 2 years when the knocked him out of the playoffs. Now when its the Bulls turn, they walk off like cowards.
Only reason this is a thing is because there’s no audio of Magic and Bird saying the same thing but we all know they agreed.
He technically didn't lie. He said he wouldn't play if Isiah was on the Dream Team but from what was said, it seems like it was already decided that he wouldn't be on the team.
If it’s was already decided why would he still have to have a convo with the committee after the fact? It wasn’t decided they wanted to know his opinion and his was that he wouldn’t play you think they gonna risk not having the face of the league for the second best PG at the time especially when Goat PG Magic is there.
@@chaposupreme2090 Don't be thick they called him to ask him to be on the team he asked them if IT would be on the team because he didnt want to play with him they then told him that he already wasn't going to be on the team.
The last dance is just tearing people apart it's absolutely disgusting how ESPN has no problem making fights between people just to make money
As a Chicago Native - i didn’t know isiah was from Chicago until a few years ago 😂
Im sick of hearing about this, let the BS go, get over it.
It makes good controversy, and that's what they like. Let's move forward. It's like watching re-runs, we already know the outcome! Thank you! Mic'20
oh, so now that the truth is out there and MJ looks like a massive douchebag, you're tired of it. lmao
So did nobody see the dream team documentary? Jordan, Pippen, Drexler, Magic and a few more of them said they didn't necessarily want Zeke on the team.
False....Drexler and a few other players did not have a problem with Isiah at least not to that extreme extent. This is all Micheal and I believe no other players said yes or nay.
I wish everyone on the Dream team would just get it 100 and say they didn't want him on the team because they didn't like him.
Doesn't a person have the right to say "if he plays, I won't" ?.
Definitely.. just don't lie about it lol
It is all about the lie
He didn't lie he said he was going to say it but Chuck Daly had already made that decision!
When is Isaiah Lord Thomas going to except responsibility for his own actions .Bro your own coach didn't wanted you on the Dream Team .
You are exactly right. Thomas had major heat with many people back then. If people would tell the truth there were a lot of players who didn't want him on that team!
I got no idea who these dudes are but I know that’s Doris the 🐐 and that’s what I’m here for.
As for Jordan, he didn’t ban Thomas from the Dream Team, he just left the choice in the team managements hands, there’s a difference
This guy looks like the villain in Undercover Brother 😂
Bruhhhhhhh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I just watched that
😭😭😭😭😭😭😂😭😭
😂🤣😅😆😁
Jordan got his with them receipts😂 how you gonna lie about this knowing you did a podcast telling the truth
He probably forgot its was a while ago, but them receipts don't lie.
When he said that Isaiah was already off the team magic didn’t want him on the team along with other players🤷🏾♂️
@@unapologetic6627 yeah.. ok...
Half of that team prob didnt want isiah there lol
9 years ago and forgot. Loose lips sunk ships.
Why does the blame for this all fall on jordan ? No body on the team liked isaiah Thomas,.even the coach never wanted him on team , and it was pistons coach !
Because mj mj lied and said that he didn't have no part in keeping Isaiah off the dream team. But he did. And according to other players he did a lot of lying in those videos lol
He said it was predetermined before he talked to Rod Thorn that Isaiah Thomas wasn't going to be on the dream team.
If you really think about it, Jordan said he wouldn't play if Isiah Thomas is on the team, but he never said he didn't want Isiah Thomas on the Dream Team. Rod Thorn could have put Isiah on the team and Jordan would have just not played.
I don't blame MJ! The last time he played on a team with Isaiah Thomas, he held MJ to 6 points, because he was jealous of the spotlight that MJ was getting, and not wanting to pass MJ the ball. Isaiah Thomas plotted against MJ with other players, just like he did when they refused to shake the Bulls player's hand. Isaiah Thomas, caused this on himself. Some people can dish out, but can take it when it's done to them.
He played with fire and got burnt. Now he cries.
Isiah
MJ just took the heat of banning IT from dream team even though it was magic who didn't want IT on the team. MJ probably respects magic enough to take all the blame all those years. It was very clear on magic documentary
hello there REALLY! Here are the videos that plainly states who is at fault and you make your own narrative and change the truth. If you think that the statement Jordan made didn't keep Isiah off the dream team and that it was Magic and his hatred, then you're delusional. Jordan had way more CLOUT than Magic.
The decision to keep Isaiah Thomas off the dream team was predetermined before Jordan talked to Rod Thorn that's what he was saying ! He was going to say it but chuck daly already had made that decision.
Jordan on court greatness always comes to the rescue to his off and on court pettiness.
@TheRealist 811 yeah. I dont care about his personality. I only watched his bec of his game.
I could have swear I heard MJ say I didn't have anything to do with it but you can blame me
Him and Isaiah pretty much did the same thing but Jordan is worshipped and Isaiah is vilified why is that?
@@MrSmith-fl2jn Isiah was not the face of the league, plus Jordan in his mind didn't think he had done anything to stop him (Isiah) from getting on the team. I'm sure Pippen, Barkley, Bird all said the same, where are their recordings, but its nice to see the media has already influenced or fooled you about trying to see MJ as a bad person. Don't forget Isiah works with the media, so between him and Jordan they gonna protect or try to make him look good while MJ who hardly speaks to the media, they would find little things to make him look bad.
Saying not shaking a hand after a game isnt that serious, says a lot about us.
She doesn't have Covid-19 anymore
She never had it.
Mike Palacios what makes you think that?
@@_HMCB_ he doesn't know
Soooooooo we're supposed to believe that jocks AREN'T azzholes? 🤣🤣🤣 OF COURSE they're hating on one another.
Not lebron 🤷♂️💯🤦♂️
@@readyswish4341 Why is everyone always bringing up Lebron
Like please can we talk about basketball and not mention him. This is about Isiah being left off the 1992 dream team Lebron was like 8
Why being him up
Why has everyone had such a hard time saying that Jordan is a liar
Derrick Winding because they fear him. He’ll make it personal like everything else.
Even Chuck Daly said he does NOT want Isiah Thomas who was his coach but no one is talking about that hahaha
Well...... He didn't tell anyone not to get Isiah on the Dream Team he just said he wouldn't play with him.
He still didn't keep him off the dream team. The organization just made a business decision on this one. Would we rather have MJ or Isiah?
That decision only had to be made because Jordan brought it up
Shane Ryan but it still wasn't his decision to make. Blame the staff. Not Mj
@@derrion9041 then why didn't he say "I gave them an ultimatum and ultimately they made the final call' ? Stop trying to find excuses for MJ
perotal facts
@@perotal He said it either Isaiah or me..... They had decision to make.... They could have kept Barkely, Magic, Jordan, Scottie, Bird and Chuck Daly out of the team because they didn't want Isaiah on the team too...
He didn't have nothing to do with it, Jordan said if he plays he won't. It's up to coaches and Ron thorn to override him
Wow we already knew MJ, Magic, Bird, Karl Malone and Pippen didn't want him on the team, but his own coach Chuck Daly! Something is up here?!
Mike didnt say i dont want Isiah on the team.... He said im not playing if Isiah is on the team.....
Why do they keep saying that MJ got Isiah of the dream team, when he was selected in the first place. Nobody wanted him on the team
honestly, regardless what MJ actually said, what I took home from the last dance more than anything else was that MJ wasn't the only one who didn't want Isiah on the team... he lied though, no doubt about that
Nobody wanted to play with Isiah. Charles Barkley came out and said he didn't want to play with him either.
TopFanTV that’s irrelevant, what the topic is about is how MJ lied
Dominique Carter He did lie but it just points out he wouldn’t have made the team anyway.
@@TopFanTV no he didn't he just was very hesitant to elaborate on the conversation he did insinuate that he didn't want to play if a certain player was going to be there and that the guys own coach said he already wasn't coming anyway.
He didnt lie he said if Isiah play on the team then he wasn't going to play.....that was someone else decision to leave Isiah off....right?
David Robinson said he didn't want Isiah on the team: Karl, MJ, Bird, Magic all against Isiah. Either you think they are all petty, or Isiah made his bed.
30 years ago and now its being litigated in the media.
Doris Burke is beyond amazing to me. And she's really beautiful... I've had a crush on her since I was a kid. Nothing has changed. Beauty, smarts, and class personified
Doris Burke is a beautiful legend and I absolutely love her work ethic and professionalism
Facts bro!
It sounds like that the decision was already made prior to Jordan even making that comment. If his own Coach didn't want him it's clear he possibly wouldn't make the team.
Dominique! You’re killing me with the “MJ is so petty”. Stop! You have no idea what it’s like to be in MJs shoes. Other factors were involved. Who are you again Dominique? Please!
Larry Bird ain't shook hands one time when he got eliminated and he still made the Dream team🤔
Yea but people “wanted” to play with him. No one “wanted” to play with Isiah....
It wasn't about a handshake or failure thereof.
Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson...
We will never see another athlete like them ever again. 🌪 🌪
Why Mike Tyson?
Lewd because his tenacity.. aggression, doing anything it took to win. Mainly the killer instinct 😤
Kobe Bryant was
Yes we will, and someone greater will come along.
I can say the same thing about several other athletes @Pat4Clippers
The problem isn’t that Jordan didn’t want Isaiah on the team. It’s that he lies about it instead of being a stand-up guy and admitting it. He should own his actions. If you want to be considered the GOAT, then you man up and accept the good, bad, and ugly of who you are and what you’ve done.
There's a difference between saying: A) "I'm not playing if X guy is on the team" over B) "If I'm playing, I don't want X guy on the team". I'm pretty sure MJ used A in both the Last Dance doc and on the recording.
Isiah Thomas is underappreciated because of Michael Jordan.
How?
Korey Paul He’s a troll ignore him
He is bro. Preach. People hate him.
As a Jordan fan I must say fact. Dude is literally Chris Paul father but get no love. Easily arguably one of the best point guards to lace up
In Magic Johnson's documentary he said that, he was the one that kept Isaiah Thomas from the dream tream. Sure, there was more other decision makers. But Magic was a bigger influence then MJ. Isaiah is like alittle mouse.
Your syntax, grammar and punctuation are out of order. You shouldn't be putting out comments in public until you've fixed them.
George correct, Chuck and Magic and few others started it. Mj did not start it. People in their feelings again about something 30 years ago..smh
In video it says chuck(charles barkley) didnt want him either
@Oasis people over react like they are Zeke' wife or his btch trying to bring up 30+ years Dream Team story.. Its not like history will change and Zeke will be included in the team if they keep on ranting. Media specially MJ haters causes toxicity by brainwashing people twisting facts so they can only sell like the infamous 3-6 mafia media LeSPN 🤣🤣🤣
You know what, Magic did get rid of Norm Nixon, so he could be the point guard, just after the Lakers beat the 76ers. And the coach. Facts and Politics! Mic'20 PS but I guess that small compare to the Olympics.
That’s a good point. That question should be asked.
Jordan didn’t kick Thomas off the Dream Team; he simply said if Isiah is on the team, “I don’t wanna be on the team”. The selection committee made the ultimate decision to go with MJ. Trust me, the Dream Team woulda won with or without MJ. They were loaded with talent and the world basketball community was not on that level back in ‘92. They wanted MJ on the team because of his popularity. He was much more popular than Isiah Thomas. He never “kicked” anybody off that team.
Wasn’t there the Dream Team documentary that went more in depth with this situation?
The Dream Team doc didn't go into that much depth either. They kinda danced around it, showing footage of Chuck Daly basically saying "Isiah is a great player, and I'm sure he's hurt by it... but he wasn't selected."... The only one in that doc who outright said he didn't want Isiah on the team was Scottie Pippen. When asked if Michael wanted Zeke on the team, Scottie said, "I don't wanna speak for Michael, but I don't think he wanted him on the team". The book about the Dream Team that came out a few years ago went into more depth. While Michael was probably the end-all, be-all, other members weren't exactly welcoming either. Bird and Isiah had been rivals in the East; Magic & Isiah had a falling-out; Karl Malone definitely wasn't a fan of his. End of the day, Michael was the one the higher-ups wanted, and prioritized him. If Zeke was on the team, that never would've happened. It sucks, but that's just the case.
Wait..before this, I think most people already thought that MJ didn't want Isiah on the team. This isn't some bombshell revelation.
Not only mj so did bird, magic, Malone and pippen
Ppl also believed the sea was split..so y does the Bible keeps getting told
Keeping Isaiah off the Dream Team was just plain petty by any and all of those involved with the decision. The biggest reason Isaiah was kept off was because he wasn't needed to win the gold medal. Because of the overwhelming talent advantage, any one of those players, including Michael Jordan, could have been left off the squad and they still would have won the gold. If the US would have actually had to compete, Isaiah would have been on that squad.
MJ never said that he didn't care whether or not Isiah would be on the team, he just said he wasn't the reason Isiah wasn't on the team. That audio clip also shows that someone else didn't want him on the team and that's why he wasn't.
Also, Isiah was a rude punk that wants to play the victim nowadays. He got what he deserved.
quote from Magic. "Isiah killed his own chances when it came to the Olympics," Johnson said in the book, per the AP. "Nobody on that team wanted to play with him. ... I'm sad for Isiah. He has alienated so many people in his life, and he still doesn't get it. He doesn't understand why he wasn't chosen for that Olympic team and that's really too bad. You should be aware when you've ticked off more than half of the NBA."
People want to paint this picture that it was MJ's sole doing that Zeke wasn't on the dream team. Fact of the matter is most of that roster didn't want to play with Zeke.
Finally someone who have all the facts
Lol, Magic and MJ are the shadiest two the league ever seen. Both will lie in a New York minute. MJ wanted to control the team and Isaiah would have been in the way. Magic wanted to start a point guard and Isaiah would have been in a way. See where this is going.
Mj actually never said he didn't want Isiah on the team, he said he wasn't the reason, and going by this audio, Chuck was the reason. Everyone in the team who played on the east at one point didn't like Isiah, and magic had personal issues with him.
wow, you really twisted this to fit your own narrative... yeah, it was all Chuck's fault lol
But let's start the other way round: who from the players in the Dream Team or who from the coaches wanted to have Isaiah Thomas with them? We now know who didn't want him with them. Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Chuck Daly....
The audio clearly states, "You know what? Chuck doesn't want Isiah. So Isiah is not going to be a part of the team." Meaning, the decision to leave Thomas off the roster had already been made prior to Jordan saying he wouldn't play with Thomas. So Jordan wasn't dishonest in the documentary when he said he had nothing to do with Thomas not playing. He's technically correct.
After Jordan dies and who knows when because all of us can go at any time and he finally has his eternal sleep, I can imagine the whole world will mourn. Horace Grant will cry his eyes too. Deep down, Horace loves Mike.
Is everyone forgetting Thomas was called the Smiling Assassin?
So did he say I dont want Isiah on the team. He said that Isiah was on the team he wasn't joining. Its like asking who at the party before you go and then say you not going due to a person coming. You didn't say don't let that person go.
Whoever was the reason he was left off the team.......Thank you!!!!!!