Inside Isiah Thomas' Dream Team snub, and more thoughts on 'The Last Dance' | NBA Countdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Richard Jefferson is joined by Jalen Rose, Jay Williams and Paul Pierce for another "NBA Countdown: Stay Home Edition," discussing all things "The Last Dance" including the conflict on Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls, whether Jerry Krause or Jerry Reinsdorf deserves more blame, the Bulls' rivalry with the "Bad Boys" Detroit Pistons, Isiah Thomas' snub from the 1992 Dream Team, and the cheapest players they've ever played with.
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Why does it look like Paul is still observing 4/20
He should
they all do except rich. Jefferson
Every day this month is 4/20
Did you see when the Beastie Boys were on Sportscenter on 4/20?
First thing I thought and first comment I read 😂😂
the truth is high af 😂
He dgaf too lmao
Jordan basically had legit POWER in the NBA and outside of it still till this day 💯
No. It was the NBA and the Olympic organization who did not want Isiah Thomas in the Dream Team. The players were just the pawn.
@@samiahmed6875 Yep and he paid a price for his bs too. Instead of blaming others he should look in the mirror.
Richard Jeff, looks like a diglet from Pokémon
Lmaooo
This legit made me fall out of my seat lmfao!
I'm in real tears
Living A Life Of Abundance I’m legit crying 😂😂😂😂
He definitely got blacklisted. I think some are missing a crucial point. The Olympics are meant as a sporting event to promote goodwill and sportsmanship between Nations. Isiah demonstrated the worst sportsmanship when he walked off when he lost to MJ. Instead of owning up to it, he’s still passes the blame to Laimbeer for suggesting it. I think that was the final nail. Also, his team spent years trying to hurt every player on the dream team. So I really don’t think it was just MJ & Pippen who wanted nothing to do w Isiah
LMFAO😄 "seriously dude?" In the 1980's THE ENTIRE LEAGUE was extremely physical NOT JUST DETROIT. People are angry because The Pistons won 🏆Championships while wearing the BAD BOY moniker on their sleeve. The funny part is no one brings up that infamous press conference where the 1991 ECF Bulls were up 3 games to 0 & were about to finally win. Jordan had a press conference calling Detroit undeserving champions, the NBA world will rejoice when Detroit is out the picture, they're bad for the league, etc... So is it such a big surprise The Pistons wouldn't wanna shake hands with a gloating Michael Jordan? In the end Isiah got blacklisted from the 92 Dream Team & the world knows it.
There is a difference between being physical and potentially causing a career ending injury. During that era most teams were physical , but only Isiah Tomas’s Piston’s played dirty. Ask all the players on the dream team why no one and I mean no one objected or cried foul when it was found out the Isaiah wasn’t on the team. That says a whole lot .When none of your peers stand up for you, your the problem.He got what he deserved in the end.
@@DreMurf313Thank you. They also never bring up how the Pistons were robbed in the finals with the lakers and Celtics did the same thing to the Pistons. I feel the league bullied the Pistons and then they got fed up and starting playing defense. Every team has a player that gets into people's head but if the pistons do it their the bad guys. Larry Bird was good at it but it's ok because he's Larry but lambier gets slot of heat. I loved Bill. He just gets on their nerves to draw the foul. It was hilarious.
Jay Williams the lamest dude on tv 📺 hated him
FACTS!...he and Jefferson!..
A thousand percent
These guys need to invest in better webcams tf am I watching hurts my eyes
Jefferson's look like it was done on a Flip phone
Jalen "this is controversial" Rose
He's such a troll
Life lesson kids. Be nice at work to your coworkers no matter what they do to you. it pays off.
Be nice to those who are nice to you. Be professional with EVERYONE.
Life lessons to kids, sometime life is unfair and MJ was being extra petty especially when this team was about putting together the best players in the world.
You're just looking at one side of the argument. Jordan disrespected Isaiah and the Pistons with the media.
The couple of years the Pistons eliminated the Bulls, MJ and the Bulls shook their hands and congratulated them after he series were over. Pistons were just bitter they're limelight was cut short. They got swept and knew it's over for them, the Bulls' time has come.
Has anyone noticed that Paul looks always high when he’s on espn
Jwefi Jwiejgi because he is.... 🤷🏿♂️
@Spicy Tomato Are you serious?!
Rachaád Gunter yes
Pierce been smoking a lot
Stockton being on the Dream Team over Isiah was and still is a miscarriage of basketball justice.
Stockton had a better season then Isiah the season before
But Stockton was not a slouch by any means. He’s a HOF.
And then had a chance to make it right yet wasted the last spot on Laetner
That's a ridiculous statement. I love Thomas, and he's an all time great, but so is Stockton. The man holds two of the five main statistical categories records. By a huge margin.
Actually Drexler was the one chosen over Zeke. And Dumars was gonna be the replacement if a guard was injured. Nobody wanted Zeke on the team.
Isiah Thomas being kept off the Dream Team it's probably one of the most disrespectful things that has ever happened in the history of basketball.
He and Magic Johnson who were the best point guards at that time and still are the history of the league. One of the other things that can be considered as horrible is Klay Thompson being kept off the all NBA team in this past season. Klay is the best shooting guard in the NBA and one of the best shooting guards in the history of the NBA. He can do anything imaginable offensively and defensively he is one of the top defenders in the league
The Celtics left the court when Dantley was still on the FT line!! Oh, but they were mostly white. And that walk-off was organized by LAIMBEER, but Isiah wouldn't ever throw his teammate under the bus. Remember, Isiah risked his career to defend a rookie named Dennis Rodman, who said Isiah saved his life. Rodman said he would call Isiah at 3am, because he was immature, young, didn't know what was going on with his head, and how Isiah (and his family) became HIS family. Google "Isiah Thomas Saved My Life" and you'll hear of many players who say this - Isiah just doesn't advertise this like everyone else.
.its not disrespectful. the dream team is about representing the us players that they are good people not a bad just like isiah..
First.
Also, it was because of the Detroit Bad Boys that Jordan became more competitive by just wanting to beat the Pistons.
Joven Joshua Gallardo my next subscriber gets $1000 dollars
@@wherestyler Im here.
I thought it was because of his brother Larry Jordan
Good comment.
@@sonnywoods6846 Larry fueled MJ to do what he did to become the great player to get to the league.
MJ's stated in interviews that the Pistons fueled him to get his mind and body conditioned for the championship level.
90% of the Bulls conflict was a result of Scottie Pippen and not the front office! Had Pippen gone to the Supersonics instead of the Bulls at best Pippen would have been regarded no better than Shawn Kemp! I loved the Bulls and Pippen but facts are facts. All that resentment towards the front office began with Pippen. Krause just responded to the criticism in an unintelligent manner. Here are some things that caused Friction:
1) Scotties Migrain Game
2) Scottie Signs a bad deal
3) Scottie jealous of Kukoc
4) Scottie refuses to enter game during Playoff run
5) Scottie jealous other players get payed more than him
6) Scottie delayed surgery till the end of the summer of 1997
7) Scottie trying to force a trade in 1997
Just a few of the things we know about.
A Shawn Kemp. U dnt kno basketball. U just going by the Last Dance documentary. Scottie Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players. He evented the point forward. I'm a Knick fan, hated the bulls but can't take away the greatness of Pippen. U bugging
jalen is by far the most entertainment dude on this podcast
The Celtics did the same thing to the Pistons in 88 only McHale shook hands nobody mentioned this!
Your comment may get reported...these sensitive hypocrites don't wanna hear that kinda truth
Facts
McHale didn't really shake hands Zeke ran to McHale and he told Zeke go there and win and Zeke grabbed his hand. The Celtics had just got their heart torn out and their run was over and they knew it. So they left the building.
@@johnnychao6035 Joe D did stay to congratulate
Everyone mentions this buddy
Jay Will be side shotting MJ always! Carolina vs Duke rivalry
He's a clown
Even though I'm a Bulls fan, I think Isaiah deserved that spot more than Stockton! Their stats were similar but Isaiah won 2 titles & just 2 years before! Anyway, it's over & Isaiah probably deserved it!
Or they could have just left Laettner off the team lol.
USCG BMCM Retired... Several players on the Dream Team didn’t win a championship, so your idea of Isaiah deserving that spot more than Stockton is ridiculous. Don’t dismiss Stockton. Multiple players despised Isaiah. We wanted a unified Dream Team, which it was without him.
TimmyK28 not at his position it doesn’t matter if the Barkley’s of the world hasn’t won a ring yet! Isaiah deserves that spot he has freedom of speech to say what he wanted to say about Larry and if Larry felt he was talked about wrong prove it at the practices on the dream team! MJ was sensitive he ain’t get a handshake they the bad boys man Tsc to me! other than Magic there wasn’t a better player at that position and even if ppl think Stockton was better why not have 3 Pgs 🤷🏾♂️
@@HunchoHamza whether we like it or not part of any professional environment is managing your relationships with your colleagues. When you mismanage those relationships people would rather take their chances with somebody else who might be not quite as good as you but would be infinitely more enjoyable to work with. Zeke was in hot water with MJ, Pippen, Magic and Bird at the time. When the 4 players who have the most influence on the team don't like you, your potential value to the team drops like an anchor. It was partially a self-inflicted wound.
Yeah, but Stockton is the second greatest PG of all time, better than Isaiah in my opinion.
On the Chris bassaud 1on 1 Isaiah said he don't believe Jordan or magic had anything to do with that.
Marcus M politically correct statement
jay williams who?
J wil had conflict with a motorcycle
I really like Jalen's work on ESPN, but the Dream Team was unveiled in September 1991 ...The Bulls had just won the championship...not the Pistons ...the Pistons won the 88-89 and 89-90 titles !
Krause drafted Oakley in 1985. Traded Polynice for Pippen and drafted Grant in 1987. Drafted Perdue in 1988. Traded Oakley for Cartwright in 1988. Drafted Armstrong in 1989. Promoted Phil Jackson in 1989. Drafted Kukoč in 1990. Signed Kerr and Harper in 1993. Traded for Rodman in 1995.
Masterful. Really believe they could have won more chips if not for egos
People forget Dominique Wilkens was robbed too. They chose Chris Mullen over the original human highlight Dominique wilkens
jalen. come on my guy. much love but only kareem can wear those goggles.
richard jefferson has always been funny lol
It was reported by John Sally that it was Magic Johnson why Isaiah Thomas didn’t make the Dream Team!
Stop blaming MJ!!!!
Still that's Magic, MJ, Pippen and Bird who didn't get along with IT at the time. Those are the 4 players with the most influence on that squad, even if they had him on it would've been a tense experience.
The Celtics left the court when Dantley was still on the FT line!! Oh, but they were mostly white. And that walk-off was organized by LAIMBEER, but Isiah wouldn't ever throw his teammate under the bus. Remember, Isiah risked his career to defend a rookie named Dennis Rodman, who said Isiah saved his life. Rodman said he would call Isiah at 3am, because he was immature, young, didn't know what was going on with his head, and how Isiah (and his family) became HIS family. Google "Isiah Thomas Saved My Life" and you'll hear of many players who say this - Isiah just doesn't advertise this like everyone else.
Yeah, his Piston teammates loved him. He does not need to advertise that because everybody knows the bond between the bad boys. The rest of the league hated them. They decided to circle the wagons and it worked, that mentality helped win 2 titles but there was a price to being an enemy to the rest of the league. Why do you think Laimbeer never got an NBA coaching gig after winning multiple WNBA titles. The GM's of the next era played against Laimbeer and wanted nothing to do with him. The difference is Laimbeer is not on tv crying. The rest of the Pistons who said screw everybody live with the consequences and say they would do it all again.
Krause didn't discover Pippen EVERY team had him on their Board 💯
Cary Flenory true, but he did make the trade for him, which shows he bought in just a lil more than others
What is Jay talking about? Football players literally go to the middle of the field after every game and hug and hi-five each other...literally after EVERY GAME
Exactly this dude jwill seem like he still salty his career got fup so he got throw shade at people
not a huge snub really MJ bird pippen all had issues with him, magic was always going to be in the team so they took stockton, who was a better facilitator for the offense anyway. IT was obviously great but its not a big snub imo
Jalen is taking his sweet time to roll out his takes like he’s on Jalen & Jacoby
I like these 4 together
isiah over latner. latner never should've been on there lol
Pippen should have never been there. He was Jordan's flunky not the best forward ever.
You were either not alive at that time or you were blind... Pippen did become better after the 93 season but it's not like he was a scrub in 91. The dude could play and was definitely the best player in his position.
Isiah still salty AF over Pippen's comments but it is what is... he didn't make the team for being a clown to everyone else. Pippen deserved to be there more than Mullin. And Mullin HAD to be there!
You don't bring 3 point guards and Magic was not getting left off and Stockton was way better that season
@Maurice 1 Stockton was MUCH better than Isaiah that year and it was not even close
Isiah over Stockton, laettner, drexler, and Mullin
RJ is going to be a HOF broadcaster if he keeps it up. Don't sell out be real and allow the success to come to you. RJ & Perk podcast would be boss.
I think RJ could be the next EJ.
Not perk at all he outs locker room info
Jordan shattered dreams for an entire decade... let that sink in.
Actually almost an entire decade. But point taken.
@@champsvizion7801 its over 5... you can round up. Lol
Mr. Villano they just weren’t fit to win, why do you think the only team to win was Hakeems rockets the only other team that won that decade was the spurs and they went on to dominate the next decade
Hey Jalen the bulls were two time champs in 91 and 92. The Pistons didnt just win the title.
When the team was first selected it was in 1990
Team selected in 91
This was a snub, but I'm on MJ's side on this. The "Jordan Rules" were technically legal, but if they took place in today's NBA every single member of the Bad Boy Pistons would have been suspended for the season on practically every play. as a league the NBA eventually decided it was unacceptable, why should Jordan have to?
The Pistons literally beat him up on the court, if they played the game clean Jordan could've won 8-10 championships easy, plus the fact that they nearly ended his career on multiple occasions, if I was MJ I'd hate Isiah Thomas and I think it would be justified.
The ONLY PROBLEM is that it wasn’t MJ that IThomas didn’t make the Dream Team...it was “Magic Johnson” and this was told by John Sally a Bad Boy Piston member!
Juju Montana John Sally be lying. He also said A.I was Lebron favorite player.
It was a snub. PERIOD
@@gpropho You're lying, AI is Lebron's favourite player and idol.
Dusk TheHunter try MJ
Isiah is a great player
Talk that $#*t !!! Jalen 🌹 they don't talk about the Celtics walking out on the Pistons and Kevin Mchale was the ONLY Celtic to shake hands. An LBJ walk when we came back and beat them in 7 .🤷🏿♂️Just saying.
With all due respect... Zeke is definitely The No.2 small point- guard just behind Magic.
The guy was "beast" and the 'general' on the floor.
No question...BUT that's not the point...
The spirit of sportsmanship he wrecked by his walk-out...
How do you expect the top stars of the Dream Team who unanimously voted him out to play in syncharmony with someone who blatantly negated this principle the league continuously uphold?
Nope it's not about the skills anymore.
You get paid by your talent BUT you get to BELONG by your responsive ethics as a responsible human being. That's possibly the highest level of true integrity of a person.
We can see this clearly now...
We're not even talking about how much money, or how skilled this person is, but rather, how this person reacted under adverse situation...
Dumars & Sally shook the Bulls' hands.
Does it mean that they dedicated & worked less than Isiah for the team, that's why they were able to show respect & humility to the other team?
In the end, your bball skills will be remembered well to the fans...but your being a man of true ethical integrity will be stamped in the minds of the greater general public.
Isaiah made his bed now you all upset he had to go get f*%ked in it? Pfff. Multiple times he was a c$*t to Jordan and others. I have zero problems with Jordan saying he didn’t want to play with him.
The bad boys style was bad for the sport. Period.
There was no skill or fair play to bully your way to a win through excessively hard fouls and dirty knocks that can lead to injury. Only idiots supported that kind of play in the long run.
until this date, isiah thomas can't accept the fact that his not inclusion in the dream team was not because of MJ. he's even proud of his achievements in his stint with the bad boys? it si very clear that all of you are intentionally hurting MJ during thosed days. you're not playing decently but hurting somebody whne he's good. you're so jealous and envy on MJ's success that you want to destroy him
I’m only 10 secs in....and I know given the cast of characters...this will be a good one
Why Pierce acting like he shook everyones hands. Pierce be real quiet during this segment. He and the celtics did not shake the Heat hands after their loss. AND im a celtics fan!
the first 10 selections of the dream were in the summer of 91 and the last 2 spots in the spring of 92
Yo Paul Pierce is baked af lmao.
Why is the man Paul pierce still on ESPN
Steck132 my next subscriber gets $1000 dollars
Thats why you wouldve never fit on the “We Believe” team! 8Seed taking down the Number 1, in a 7 Game series!!!! Yay Area!
Was Jay Williams the middle child? Dafuk is up with that guy. Get some counselling dude.
J.Williams and RJ got something going on it’s A little 🍎🍋🍌🍉🍑🥝!!! 😂😂😂😂
😂😂🔥👍💫
How Richard feels about Jay makes me happy
I am not a big NBA fan and I never really listen to NBA shows but I really enjoyed this and will be back to watch more. Very entertaining
Paul pierce in another universe high out of his mind let alone paying attention 💀
exactly lol
Odd hearing Jalen all about the enterprise angle. The odd part is that’s the exact model his employer uses and is why ESPN went down hill after DP left imo. Espn thought guys like Berman, Patrick, Olberman...etc we’re becoming bigger than the brand itself. Now we are stuck with SAS and Max...fml
Didn't like Richard Jefferson as a player, still don't like him as an analyst. Might be a nice dude, but I don't care for his basketball takes.
Same here
If it ain't LeBron he don't like it
Not shaking hands wasn't the problem. They walked off with 7 seconds left and walked right passed the Bulls bench and Zeke ducking his head like a snake.. That was the problem.
So it's alright when the Larry Bird led Boston Celtics walked off the court when Adrian Dantley was on the free throw line with time left on the clock.
@@DreMurf313 When I say “that” was the problem I mean that was what the bulls players had a problem with. Not the media or fans. I can’t speak for why the Pistons weren’t offended by Bostons actions.
Zeke was left off of the Dream Team based all upon emotion, not his lack of skill. If that weren't the case there would've been no widespread controversy surrounding the topic because it would've been expected.
Edit: to a lesser degree, the same with Shaq getting left off for Laetner
Mo Betta yeah the emotion of betrayal because he wouldn’t shut up about Magic’s HIV...
@@epiccollision Isiah never slandered Magic behind his back about being HIV. That has always been a rumor
Zeke had it comming. Magic, Pippen and Jordan didn’t want him on the team and he wasn’t needed. So much his own coach left him behind. Magic (best pg ever) and Stockton (all time leader in assistes and steals) were both better at his position.
Daly did have Isiah's back .. he just didn't quit. Trader Jack quit tho
Cheverro Ananse Savage no he didn’t. He could’ve said “if Zeke doesn’t play I’m out”, or “If Michael, Magic and Scottie don’t want to play with Zeke, then let them go”. But no. He stayed. He chose to leave him off the team. So no. He didn’t have his back. And he was right to do it.
Only reason Shaq wasn't on the Dream Team was because there was no way he was carrying bags for Charles Barkley or David Robinson even back then
He was going to be the #1 pick and they didnt want to risk it.
wasnt he too young? was he even the league?
@@NoelG314 he was drafted the same time as Christian Laettner
@@ppheann wasn't a risk, Laettner went #2 or 3 right behind The Diesel in the draft
Dominique Wilkins should have been on dream team. How was Mullin selected over him at SF?
Why is ESPN blocking videos to viewers outside the US??
Without sports this is the closest of sports entertainment we can get and you block it??? What is wrong with you???
The only great team I can remember that never had drama, ego or conflict was the Spurs. Amazing that never happened during their run.
Magic didn't want Zeke on the squad either. Also, Shaq over Laettner back then???? Heck nah! Laettner was a top 5 all time college player.
pistons walked off while the GAME WAS STILL BEING PLAYED
Jay's right, you dont have to shake hands after the game, but you shouldn't walk off before the game is over lol
CHRIS T every playoff game ends the same...every single one, except these 2..that’s why a we are talking about it
Rich really is one of the funniest man in the NBA commentary crew.. hahahaha lol
Zeke should have definitely been on the team smh stockton isn't a better player could you imagine if zeke had malone
The Celtics left the court when Dantley was still on the FT line!! Oh, but they were mostly white. And that walk-off was organized by LAIMBEER, but Isiah wouldn't ever throw his teammate under the bus. Remember, Isiah risked his career to defend a rookie named Dennis Rodman, who said Isiah saved his life. Rodman said he would call Isiah at 3am, because he was immature, young, didn't know what was going on with his head, and how Isiah (and his family) became HIS family. Google "Isiah Thomas Saved My Life" and you'll hear of many players who say this - Isiah just doesn't advertise this like everyone else.
Every time Jalen's getting ready to say something good it goes to a add. Lol! Like they took ques from daytime soaps or something. Lol! Like they wanna leave us on a cliffhanger. Lucky for us it's only 15 seconds and not 3 minutes. Lol!
Christian Laetner over Shaq? Must be a race thing. Probably the same with John Stockton over Isiah Thomas. They made sure they had enough white dudes in dream team 1 as much as possible. Considering what happened during the tournament where MJ and Scottie had to play the point, having Isiah, John, and Magic on the team would have been a good idea and drop either Clyde or Chris. Considering the race thing I mentioned, I guess it had to be Clyde that you drop as MJ and Pippen can probably cover for him. Another thing, there was talk that Isiah already had wrist problems so leaving him off the 1st Dream Team may be a technically wise decision and not merely a political decision.
The Dream Team was close to Perfect. They were missing a couple pieces - The Perfect Team would've been: Magic, Bird, MJ, Isiah, Hakeem, David Robinson, Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Pippen, Dominique Wilkins, & Shaq . Ultimately, Excluding Chris Mullen, Christian Laettner, John Stockton, & Clyde Drexler. Shaq would've been far more exciting than all of these players. I know people will say Clyde Drexler but we already have Jordan. Not to mention MJ destroyed Clyde months earlier in the NBA Finals. Clyde wasn't the same until 1995 with the Rockets. Isiah alway struck me as the guy who doesn't fit in yet try so hard to look & be cool. Just a corny vibe to him. He's much cooler & certainly wiser as an Elder, nowadays.
Drexler only made the team because Dominique had tore his Achilles, otherwise Nigue would've been on the team!!
@@matt_kyote97 Point Taken! It would've truly been more electrifying. Always want Jordan, Nique, & Hakeem together. Dominique to match Jordans Athletic Ability & Hakeem to match Jordan's skill.
I could see that. Yeah
Hakeem over shaq, but the team already have 2 center.
They shake hands as a sign l of sportsmanship.
When it's all said & done, it's a sport that you get paid to play & all sports leagues are a brotherhood. Killer on the court, but civil & maybe even friends off the court. Keep things in perspective JWill. It's not that serious.
Jalen, Pistons hadn’t just won the championship, the Bulls had just won two titles before the Dream Team! smh
I think he is talking about when the team was announced (either 1990 or 91).
Bulls only had one title during Dream Team selection.
The first 10 members of the team were announced in September 91. Detroit just won two titles in 89 and 90.
After getting schooled by these replies, your "smh" isn't quite the mic drop you thought it'd be.
Okay so in September of 1991 the roster of players was selected for the team and in May of 1992 the final spot witch was Drexler instead of Thomas was selected. So Jalen was wrong, it was the Bulls who had just won the chip and were about to win they’re second when the whole team was announced. SMH!!!
Exactly Richard Jefferson!!...Mfz kill me acting like it was only Mike that didnt want Isiah on that team...Larry didnt want him...Scottie didnt...Mike didnt...Karl didnt...Magic didnt....and probably more💯
craziest part of the Last Dance for me was learning Jordan Golfed with Ainge the day before he went off for 63..... and told him to tell DJ he was going to.....
This was excellent!!! I’m glad them nba guys are telling their story before some else tells it!!😂😂😂
Happy 4/20 PP34
J rich a clown I love him 😂😂😂
Isiah over Stockton? NOPE... Stockton was important... Isiah over Laetner, since they already have too many Bigmen (Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley)..
stockton >> isiah
dafuq you on paul?
Stockton was great👍
But this is Isiah😳 we're talking about!! I'm going with the rings💍
Doesn't matter. In the end it's about sportsmanship and respect Jalen, come on!
Every single player on the Dream Team and the coach should be ashamed of themselves for doing Thomas like that.
No, every decent human being on the planet should be proud of them for showing that genomic shitstain the disrespect it deserved.
Magic, Michael, Bird had to be there (that's why Magic was on). If multiple players objected to ANY other player that made that team, that player WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE TEAM.
As it has came out from the time, the 3 most powerful voices in the league +2:
Bird didn't want Isiah,
MJ didn't want Isiah,
It's reported that Magic didn't want him. - maybe Magic worried his friend would outshine him???
Barkley didn't want Isiah
Pippen definitely didn't want him
There's only 12 players on the team. 5 didn't want him. DONE.
The dream team was 1992 and the bulls won 1991 so Detroit didn't recently won the championship it was the Chicago bulls
Jerry Reinsdorf is the real villian of this whole thing.
I found this part of the doc very DECEITFUL from MJ's side, that they didn't show MJ ALL OF WHAT ISAIAH said. The part about the Celtics doing the same thing to Pistons. They didn't show MJ that - they showed what he said after which was STILL taken out of context bc Isaiah said "that's how a dynasty passed it from one to another back then." HE DID NOT SAY 'that's how ppl always acted, so MJ's response about how the Bulls acted the year b4 is irrelevant. The whole part where they show MJ the Isaiah's words looked like a total set-up. AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS THE 1st time I've SEEN Isaiah explain that moment in a way that made TOTAL sense by pointing out the Boston thing. The Boston thing is the linchpin to IT ALL MJ isn't mad about the hadnshake. MJ is MAD BC the all-star consipiracy, combined with the handshake, combined with the "MJ rules". And what MJ did in return was one of those situations where someone gets revenge that goes WAAAAAAAY BEYOND WHAT IS CALLED FOR. There ISN"T ANYTHING Isaiah did that justifies him being left off the Dream Team. So bottom line, it comes down to BOTH sides. 1) ZEKE started this by pulling what he did during MJ's early career and the all star snub (which is EVERYTHING to a young player like that). 2) MJ took it WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to far in his revenge. So in the end the responsibility starts with Zeke, regardless of what MJ did. And Zeke should just make it right by acknowledging publically that what he did to MJ during the All Star break was wrong and that it started the animosity and ask MJ's forgiveness and then honestly point out how much it hurt to be left off the Dream Team. I don't think Isaiah realizes he has EVERYONE on his size when it comes to the Dream Team. Bc for HIM to be left off the team, is no different than Magic or Bird. It's messed up in the extreme. So if Isaiah acknowledged how he started all this animosity and apoligized it would put the ball in MJ's court. After that if MJ never apologized for what he did, which again was ABOVE AND BEYOND WRONG.... I guarantee it would affect his brand, it would make him look bad, and it would put Isaiah in the RIGHT position and MJ in the wrong. Also this whole blood feud is tragic bc those 4 are the GREAT 4. THE 4 WHO CHANGED EVERYTHING. The 4 who ushered in the new era of basketball. And they all had a unique part to play in the drama. 1/2) Larry and Magic as the next level of excitement, rivalry and so on (plus the racial tension. 3) Isaiah was the wild card and the undersized (in an over sized game) rebel disruptor trying and succeeding to break decades old power centes/control by 2 coasts. 4) and MJ was the future and the culmination of it all. They were all CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO BASKETBALL IN AN UNUSUALLY SPECIAL WAY...... and ISAIAH NOT BEING ON THE DREAM TEAM IS A TRAVESTY. But the lack of harmony between the 4 parts of the revolution and what made the NBA the NBA today is even more a tragedy.
If Mike would have let it ride Zeke would have played on Dream Team with or without Magic or Bird's consent.
Shaq excluded, isaiah excluded, majority of dream team involved were nike endorsers...should have something to do with?
Biggest babies ever and utterly predictable. Laettner schooled Shaq in college, was player of the year, and won two national championships. Shaq wasn't the Mac Daddy, Diesel the young boys remember. He was just bigger than everone else. Pshaw to Kansas, Arizona, and Michigan. Where's my baby violin emoji? If anything, bust on Laettner for being a no-show in the pros. If anyone should have taken Laettner's place it was Isiah.
OK, so there's so much hero-worship in the Last Dance and incredible narrative pushing. Here's one simple bit: The NBA in 1997 had the Bird exemption (which the 1998 lockout killed). MJ's salary was the entire salary cap because there was no limit to keep your star. Also years earlier the players and owners agreed that contract re-negotiations were not allowed, so Scottie made his own financial bed and the Bulls could do nothing.
But Krause is the villain and the debate is Reinsdorf deserves co-billing...whatever..
Phil Jackson wasn't a great coach, but he assembled great offense and defensive Coaches around him. Phil Jackson helped run NYC Knicks in the ground.
Some of those players on the Dream Team didn't belong on that Dream Team in 1992. Isaiah Thomas definitely should have been the second or third player picked on the Dream Team.
Stockton was better than IT though at that time. Stockton was putting numbers better than IT in those time, and IT was coming off an injury. Plus it ain’t all MJ, Chuck and IT would argue due to Chuck being selected as the coach and It felt Chuck’s priority was the The Dream Team over the Bad Boys.
If these guys would just invest in a basic headset the audio quality would be excellent. But no, we have to listen to muffled, too loud, too soft, crackling, P-popping nonsense.
In the NHL, players line up and shake hands after a playoff series. Unless there's mad beef between individual opposing players (Brodeur and Avery, for example).
Laettner won the championship for NCAA for Duke, that’s why he got in over Shaq. It has nothing to do with Duke privilege.
And Stockton was just as good or better than Isaiah, stats wise. I know these guys are racist against white players. Besides, I know at least 4 players despised Isaiah. They didn’t want him in the Dream Team anyway.