I got a Honda rebel 300 recently just because the gas prices are so high and going to get higher. I commute somewhat of a long distance so in the good weather I wanted to save on gas. Never been into motorcycles before and know hardly anything about them. Got my endorsement 2 days ago. Been seeing a lot more motorcycles on the road. I think a lot of people have the same idea as me. You probably will have significantly more enthusiasts looking at motorcycle channels in the near future.
Did something similar, bought a new Honda 500F to commute to work. I ride it everyday I can, and it allows me to keep my car in the garage. It also makes the 20 mile ride into work a lot of fun.
@@xxxstxx - Shutting down all oil production, to make the billionaires in the top of EU happy. Are going to make every price in the US sky rocket. Not only gasoline and Diesel prices, every thing… Your president is destroying your country from with in. And if you did not know… he was the one making deals with Russia. When he attacked Trump for doing, what in fact he was doing him self. Easiest way to not get caught doing something wrong, blame someone else; before anyone know that it happen.
This video started out as "this bike is going to be an all around turd because it's supposed to be able to do multiple things" and quickly turned into "this bike is incredibly fun if you use it right"
Yam hit the nail on the head when he said that these bikes like the PanAm are not really designed with the intention of doing something like single track. Not to say they can't do it, they absolutely can but it's not ideal. But, you need a certain skill set to do it and do it well.
It's a decent sport touring bike. I owned the 2021 for 8 months with 6 of them being pushed off from one dealer to the next who allegedly had a "PA specialist" spoiler alert no one has a PA specialist. I waited 6 months for the rh control switch and was told they wouldn't cover it under warranty because it happened off road(but wait you marketed it for off road). I sold that $23,500 albatross in the dirt. On road it does well and is a sporting bike but off road it's a fire road conquerer at best....also HD treats PA owners like redheaded step children. Don't look for that Harley customer care dealer network awesomeness that you get if you buy a road glide.
Depends on the dealer, Javelina here in San Antonio area has three guys that work on these and all so far are very knowledgeable, some other dealers not so much. Certainly dealer dependent at this stage but I suspect it will get better,
Yam, you HAVE to set up a custom ride mode, sir. I rode the first 1000 miles on mine in Road and Sport modes to get a feel for it. But once I set up a custom ride mode with stiff suspension, sport ABS and traction settings, "all the beans" fuel map and throttle response, now it's a completely different bike. I feel like it has much more raw power in my custom ride mode, and fyi the throttle is insanely twitchy in this mode. Coming from Sportsters and Buells, being a goshdarned hooligan rider, this is an awesome bike; set up the custom mode and go back out! I've been making sure to tell all my customers to do it too.
Yep. Once you get your own mode dialed in how you want it it’s fantastic. Being able to control suspension, power delivery, traction control and the slipper clutch is amazing.
You nailed the big adv purpose - 90/10, eats miles in comfort. Maybe even 95/5, and the 5 is just dirt roads. I would add that they are substitutes for sports bikes/sportscruisers/liter nakeds for those of us who want a comfortable riding position and wind protection while we hoon through life. Source: me and my Tiger 1200.
5-10% dirt tire is just road tires. And it is all about how good the rider is, not so much how good the bike is to go on a gravel road. I drive my 500cc scooter (about 600 pounds) on dirt/gravel roads on street scooter tires. Not any problems with that, as long as I don't do anything stupid. Stop blaming the bike, and train your self to be a better rider instead. Slow speed training is the clue to be better… Training every 1-3 days 5min do much more then 2-5 hours once a month. It is more that you blame the tires and the bike, for your own lack of skill. And also lots of training on hard breaking, on the strait, before, after and in corners. That can really save your life. But if you did not know. If you don't train on it, you are going to forget about it more and more.
Here in Asia we love our tiny-ass small displacement ADV because it's more 60/20/20, as in 60% asphalt, 20% potholes and 20% gravel. Heavy off road, probably not as good as true Dual Sports, but better than anything else.
@@Gismo3333 You are correct - a good rider can drive any motorcycle on regular dirt and gravel roads, with care. My 1200 XCa (Desert Edition) has spoke wheels, and big suspension travel and ground clearance. I chose it over the road biased option because I do a little more than gravel and dirt roads. Just a little though, and I probably could have gotten by, but when I test rode it, it felt great on the street too (17/19 tires). I can stick with stock tires (90/10), I can go 100% grip/street, or I can go more knobby. If you're saying us big ADV riders are fooling ourselves thinking we need or will use the off-raid chops of a big adv bike - I won't argue with you. Lot of posers out there, I'm half a poser myself. But the bottom line is I wanted: standard posture (no cruisers, no crotch rocketry), wind protection, all the gadgets/modes, POWER/speed, 2up, and provisions for soft bags or hard panniers. Also I'm 6'3" 190 lbs. It fits me and fits my requirements, perfectly. If I had a naked, I'd add a tail rack and a full windscreen (as I did to my first bike, a 1981 Honda CB650).
Always good to see a little more critical of a review. Spite is enamored with it, which is great, but it isn't very conducive to an objective review. Edit: It's why the whole yam team is well rounded. You all fanboy over different things.
after so many ppl doing iron's into scramblers, and the new sportster, harley definetly has a big room into revamping the old sporters into a true scrambler line that will sell a lot.
I raced professional motocross and flat track 60-70’s. I have tried riding dual sport bikes but I enjoy a separate street bike and separate dirt bike. I enjoy a 200’pound 2 stroke dirt bike. Light, not too heavy, no extra head inertia. and easy to work on as no valves, cam chains etc. I love the smell and on/off power of 2 strokes. Clutch is like a second throttle. Little easier than I touch ground with compact motor.
@@sburton223 then you're not this bikes target audience, it's clear this isn't a motocross bike, it's a bike you can enjoy trails and some Enduro stuff on and then ride it home legally
@@sburton223 neither did I, I'm just kinda mentioning that if you're more of a hardcore motocross guy or looking for the exact same handling as a dirtbike then you might not be the target demographic. Which this is Harley's attempt to break into the younger market which may be why I fell in love with it, this bike reminds me of what Buell could've been
If you would say just 3 years ago that a Harley Davidson is Ducati-esque, a church would be struck by lightning or something😂. We are living in a very interesting timeline.
Idk if it’s just me but my 2024 pan am sifts perfectly and has zero throttle response issues. I’ve ridden sport bikes most of my life and the transmission feels smooth in my opinion
HD's new bikes with the Revolution motor might actually convince me to take a serious look at the brand, but I'll be sitting on the fence for at least a few years to see how reliable they are as the miles stack up. From what I've heard so far they just aren't there yet. I've got zero tolerance for vehicles I can't trust to get me there and back without drama.
@@MatheusGambati well I grew up on everything from honda to BSA. Never rode a BMW or Ducati. But I haven't had any issues. And they're easy to upgrade. I have serious engine upgrades in the planning stages right now. If I really wanted to do something similar on a metric bike it would just be less expensive to buy a new one.
hearing say good job Harley is astounding lol. I used to have a 1150 gsa and now have the second gen 2024 Pan America.. Having fun ..Thanks for your review
Much better video than the last , Yammy noob for me has always been about some hilarity , thanks for bringing that back , you should defiantly review more bikes you hate , it’s honestly your best work
Yamm, remember this is also a new motor for HD. they are still tinkering with everything with the setup on that motor. So yes it does not feel quite right. I hope to see that fixed in a model year or 2.
9:00 😂 I have a street glide and i accidentally find neutral more than i do on purpose. Ill sit there at a light going back and forth from 1st to 2nd 8 times. But if i try to downshift to 1st and try to slow roll instead of stopping and outting feet down, i always get neutral and have to panic feet down 😂
I really think they need to come out with about a 450cc adventure bike for a entry level. I know of several people that made the mistake of buying Pan America as first bike. But if you go to their dealership for a adventure bike the salesman has only one option.
After watching your review of the Pan Am, and everything Spite has had to say about this bike. I am going to get one. I am going to keep my 2008 Electraglide Ultra. Just going to add this to the garage it sounds like a fun bike for the dirt. It is a dirt bagger, I like it. Thanks for the vids keep up the good work. Yes I am an old man at 65 doing something new.
Yami over here complaining about the weight, I’ve got a little story. I just bought a 1986 goldwing aspencade, of which I’m loving, and I showed it off to my neighbor. He used to have the generation before and he told me that it handles corn fields better than most dirt bikes, lol. Yami, love your videos, without you I wouldn’t have taken the leap that got me where I am today.
I still believe this would be a good starting point for HD to make a sport tour. Cast 17/17, a more moderate ride height, and some integrated bags inspired by the touring bike luggage.
Not the first attempt for HD, they just decided they were not ready yet… some one needs to get Yamster a Buell Ulysses! 460lb of fun! BTW Yam, if you are out on the east coast I have 2 for you to try out
Tottaly agree, this was years ago, but HD's decision to shutter Buell was a tragic mistake. I understand Buell will soon resurect as their own company, looking forward to that.
I know you’re comparing to the dedicated motoX and specialized for off-road motos, but what’s your thoughts of it in the ADV market, against the BMW and other adventure bikes?
I now this is old, but if you do a custom map, oddly enough the "sport" mode isn't on the most direct throttle response setting. There is another more spicy setting for that, as well as engine braking settings.
My S10 is my go to as well... very capable for what it is. This video was similar to Fortnines on on the Super Tenere... critical at first, but then the bikes purpose starts to shine through. The pan am admittedly is the only offering I could legit see me dropping the coin for in the HD lineup... someday after I wear out the S10... 😆
Its that Drive By Wire system. When I rode it, that throttle just felt like a floating plastic tube that was electronically controlling the engine (because it is). Also, that kick stand is shitty. Almost shitty enough to make it not worth it. Still love the thing. If I had the space, I'd have one right now
When I rode the HD PA I didn't not have any problems the way it shifted but I put a lot of miles on old BMW airheads. The issue I noticed was engine heat. But my 22 AT DCT ADVENTURE ES has a fair amount of engine heat when the Temps are above 85 deg. I often wonder the % of rider's of big ADV bikes really ride anymore than gravel roads. And personally I can't see the need for more than 100 hp of my AT. Not being a cruiser person I was really impressed the first time I rode the PA . But I would never buy a first year bike till the bugs have been worked out.
I ran a stock Pan Am on the dyno. I only got sport mode numbers though. Rated at 150 HP-94 TQ. 131 HP/81 TQ SAE It starts waking up around 6k RPM. I get questions about the Sportster S too. Also rated at 94 TQ but only 121 HP. But the SS had the drop on the Pan Am all the way until after 6k and the Pan Am lit off. Sportster S dyno numbers..... 73HP and (almost) 67 TQ in Rain Mode 109HP and 81TQ in Road Mode 111HP and 84TQ in Sport Mode
Every complaint I hear from you sounds to me like a gamer not a rider. Nothing you said in this video against this bike held true for me. No it's not a KTM. It handled well, shifted fine and honestly was a dream.
H-D offers a screaming eagle quick shifter in the performance parts catalogue. Also, it’s not heavy when compared to other big bore ADV bikes. Ever ride a GS?
Street mode is awful for any kind of performance with both the engine and suspension. I created a custom mode for the street with more of the throttle characteristics of Sport mode, and slightly stiffer suspension than Street mode, and it feels night and day more connected with good feedback.
I really want one but it seems they have major issues unfortunatly. Bent and stright up cracked in to frames right off show room floor. Yikes. Im afraid to buy one.
Maybe the same guy who fried the clutch hammered the shifter? And avid big bore ADV riders say the Pan American is comparable to the BMW GS off-road, although most give the BMW the nod because of better torque at low speeds.
Always funny thst Harley can make everything good but a cruiser. Every time they branch to something new that isn’t just generic cruiser or old fashioned road hog, they can make pretty damn good bikes.
Only my poppa would be man enough to completely change his mind once he hit dirt. I have 21 z650 I tried to get 22 gsxs100 didnt work ....any advice on the finance game?
2022 Panamerica Special has the quickshifter option. It works well. This is not a sport bike, Yam! Of course it doesn't have the throttle response of your Busa!
You do know that what you call dirt roads, was how the main roads look when the first bikes came to life? You don't have a clue what you are talking about. So lost.
best new not crazy powerful : KTM Duke 390, RC390, MT-07, Ninja 650 best used not crazy powerful : Ninja 400, SV 650, MT-07, Ninja 650 Best 600cc new : Tuono 660 Factory, RS 660, 2022 CBR650R (95 to 100 hp) Best sub 50hp bikes new : 2022 KTM Duke 390 and 2022 RC 390. Try them and choose your favourite one
And for low budget best bikes used : Ninja 400, SV 650, MT-07 Low budget best bikes new : new MT-07 (and new XSR700), SV 650 (enough power for every real world road situation : twisties, highways, commute to work, shopping, etc), super reliable, you can ride them for years and grow from a beginner to medium level rider to good rider into them over 10 years of ownership Also both have factory top case. The MT-07 is more modern, better screen, and has 45 liter top box as factory configuration (good for two helmets, food and drink from the grocery store, or with inner travel bag good for travel).
And if you like very low budget and retro style : Royal Enfield bikes : Interceptor 650 (more upright seating) , 650 GT (café racer), new Scram 411 (nice colors) Meteor 350 they are all 5 to 7k bikes new and some have navigation via cell phone at that low price tag.
If you're into gadgets, 150 HP engines, auto suspension, etc. then an adventure bike is not a good choice. I have a 22 cb500x, with it's measly 47 HP engine, averages 65 mph, 300 mile range and it came with only one option, ABS. Had to install a 12 socket with wiring $20 kit from Honda in addition to engine guards, pennier racks, luggage racks and wet, it still weighs 120 pounds less the Pan America wet.
Harley, "You want us to make a non-cruiser, right". Throws all the parts from the "non-cruiser" bin onto one bike. We can't make it too good though. (Requires a throttle job and ecm flash off production line)
I've been looking at the panam s. I'm not a fan of HD. But for some reason i kinda like the way it looks. I wasn't sure if I'd like one or possibly a gs. Im a Dr guy but I'd like more of a road trip bike. Thanks for your video. I respect your opinion.
This is just a Harley Channel now Lolz Missing Feature from all Adventure Bikes - Hot Sandwich Plate, microwave, I would say fridge. However I suspect some of them do have a fridge.
Devils Advocate Yam Man, Harley Boys are usually BIG BOYS... Big boys demand big toys, Spite fits the bike well, a challenging ride is a good ride in my experience. My Vn1500 classic is a big heavy slug however I ride it like I stole it, from 0 to 100 I own the mofing road, glad I ride a Kwakka but some peeps probably reckon I'm a wanna be Harley Bloke, truth be known I always wanted a Heritage softail but hey I couldnt afford the insurance on that puppy and I dont have a back up vehicle, never had an oil leak and the tourqe is what I love... I would love to ride tjat Pan Am, looks fun and hey if ot was given to me I would take it off road and probably kill it in a few days..buT Hell it would be fun..
the marketing for off-road capability means that it's built to handle dirt and gravel roads as needed. wont destroy you over a pothole or rock
I got a Honda rebel 300 recently just because the gas prices are so high and going to get higher. I commute somewhat of a long distance so in the good weather I wanted to save on gas. Never been into motorcycles before and know hardly anything about them. Got my endorsement 2 days ago. Been seeing a lot more motorcycles on the road. I think a lot of people have the same idea as me. You probably will have significantly more enthusiasts looking at motorcycle channels in the near future.
Agreed! Thanks to the current administration 😏🤭🤭🤭🙄
Did something similar, bought a new Honda 500F to commute to work. I ride it everyday I can, and it allows me to keep my car in the garage. It also makes the 20 mile ride into work a lot of fun.
@@ronaldstephens1792 how?
@@xxxstxx short answer: printing money like mad
@@xxxstxx - Shutting down all oil production, to make the billionaires in the top of EU happy. Are going to make every price in the US sky rocket. Not only gasoline and Diesel prices, every thing… Your president is destroying your country from with in.
And if you did not know… he was the one making deals with Russia. When he attacked Trump for doing, what in fact he was doing him self. Easiest way to not get caught doing something wrong, blame someone else; before anyone know that it happen.
I never thought I'd see the day when I'd see Yammie having fun on a Harley!!!
This video started out as "this bike is going to be an all around turd because it's supposed to be able to do multiple things" and quickly turned into "this bike is incredibly fun if you use it right"
Holy shit Yam is praising a Harley Davidson. They finally did it !
Never thought this day would come.
He already praised the live wire
@@Badoptics14 yeah but nobody cares about that bike
@@Hazardxv that doesn't negate my comment in any way whatsoever and there are people that do it's a great bike.
He'd like the vrod tbh. And pretty sure the pan am uses the same engine just slightly tweaked.
Yam: I feel like it's just as good... maybe a little better than a big BMW GS.
Harley: Clip that! We got a new promo.
Which is really cool cuz the big Beemer has been highly praised.
Finally riding the dirt glide.
Dude 😂 I love the name lol
that dirt loop is exactly what most of us do with ADV bikes. Glad you had fun with it!
Yam hit the nail on the head when he said that these bikes like the PanAm are not really designed with the intention of doing something like single track. Not to say they can't do it, they absolutely can but it's not ideal. But, you need a certain skill set to do it and do it well.
It's a decent sport touring bike. I owned the 2021 for 8 months with 6 of them being pushed off from one dealer to the next who allegedly had a "PA specialist" spoiler alert no one has a PA specialist. I waited 6 months for the rh control switch and was told they wouldn't cover it under warranty because it happened off road(but wait you marketed it for off road). I sold that $23,500 albatross in the dirt. On road it does well and is a sporting bike but off road it's a fire road conquerer at best....also HD treats PA owners like redheaded step children. Don't look for that Harley customer care dealer network awesomeness that you get if you buy a road glide.
why would they cover it just because it's made for offroad use. what EXACTLY happened?
Depends on the dealer, Javelina here in San Antonio area has three guys that work on these and all so far are very knowledgeable, some other dealers not so much. Certainly dealer dependent at this stage but I suspect it will get better,
I think once they are set up and tuned specifically to what the rider wants the Pan Am's are going to be awesome bikes
Yam, you HAVE to set up a custom ride mode, sir. I rode the first 1000 miles on mine in Road and Sport modes to get a feel for it. But once I set up a custom ride mode with stiff suspension, sport ABS and traction settings, "all the beans" fuel map and throttle response, now it's a completely different bike. I feel like it has much more raw power in my custom ride mode, and fyi the throttle is insanely twitchy in this mode. Coming from Sportsters and Buells, being a goshdarned hooligan rider, this is an awesome bike; set up the custom mode and go back out! I've been making sure to tell all my customers to do it too.
Same experience here....thought sport mode was fun.....custom unlocked makes it just nasty
Agreed, love my custom mode
Yep. Once you get your own mode dialed in how you want it it’s fantastic. Being able to control suspension, power delivery, traction control and the slipper clutch is amazing.
You nailed the big adv purpose - 90/10, eats miles in comfort. Maybe even 95/5, and the 5 is just dirt roads. I would add that they are substitutes for sports bikes/sportscruisers/liter nakeds for those of us who want a comfortable riding position and wind protection while we hoon through life. Source: me and my Tiger 1200.
5-10% dirt tire is just road tires. And it is all about how good the rider is, not so much how good the bike is to go on a gravel road. I drive my 500cc scooter (about 600 pounds) on dirt/gravel roads on street scooter tires. Not any problems with that, as long as I don't do anything stupid. Stop blaming the bike, and train your self to be a better rider instead. Slow speed training is the clue to be better… Training every 1-3 days 5min do much more then 2-5 hours once a month. It is more that you blame the tires and the bike, for your own lack of skill. And also lots of training on hard breaking, on the strait, before, after and in corners. That can really save your life. But if you did not know. If you don't train on it, you are going to forget about it more and more.
@@Gismo3333 thanks for the conmment to laugh about on discord!
Here in Asia we love our tiny-ass small displacement ADV because it's more 60/20/20, as in 60% asphalt, 20% potholes and 20% gravel. Heavy off road, probably not as good as true Dual Sports, but better than anything else.
@@Gismo3333 You are correct - a good rider can drive any motorcycle on regular dirt and gravel roads, with care. My 1200 XCa (Desert Edition) has spoke wheels, and big suspension travel and ground clearance. I chose it over the road biased option because I do a little more than gravel and dirt roads. Just a little though, and I probably could have gotten by, but when I test rode it, it felt great on the street too (17/19 tires). I can stick with stock tires (90/10), I can go 100% grip/street, or I can go more knobby. If you're saying us big ADV riders are fooling ourselves thinking we need or will use the off-raid chops of a big adv bike - I won't argue with you. Lot of posers out there, I'm half a poser myself. But the bottom line is I wanted: standard posture (no cruisers, no crotch rocketry), wind protection, all the gadgets/modes, POWER/speed, 2up, and provisions for soft bags or hard panniers. Also I'm 6'3" 190 lbs. It fits me and fits my requirements, perfectly. If I had a naked, I'd add a tail rack and a full windscreen (as I did to my first bike, a 1981 Honda CB650).
@@victoriazero8869 I'm thinking of a second bike - maybe a RE scram 400.
Always good to see a little more critical of a review. Spite is enamored with it, which is great, but it isn't very conducive to an objective review.
Edit: It's why the whole yam team is well rounded. You all fanboy over different things.
Considering how well a heavy boat like this did on a dirt road I want to see Harley do a Scrambler! It could be a hit.
Please lord if they make new XR1200 I might legit start believing in Harley future
after so many ppl doing iron's into scramblers, and the new sportster, harley definetly has a big room into revamping the old sporters into a true scrambler line that will sell a lot.
If it is a 650cc scrambler I’ll buy
Do they still make the xr750?
I always find it funny when Yam is hard core talking Shit about a bike then breaks it open and giggles
I love how every video with Yam had a turbo busa reference 😂
I raced professional motocross and flat track 60-70’s. I have tried riding dual sport bikes but I enjoy a separate street bike and separate dirt bike. I enjoy a 200’pound 2 stroke dirt bike. Light, not too heavy, no extra head inertia. and easy to work on as no valves, cam chains etc. I love the smell and on/off power of 2 strokes. Clutch is like a second throttle. Little easier than I touch ground with compact motor.
I'm with ya I don't want a 500 pound dirt bike
@@sburton223 then you're not this bikes target audience, it's clear this isn't a motocross bike, it's a bike you can enjoy trails and some Enduro stuff on and then ride it home legally
@@justjamesAMX I didn't mean any disrespect
@@sburton223 neither did I, I'm just kinda mentioning that if you're more of a hardcore motocross guy or looking for the exact same handling as a dirtbike then you might not be the target demographic. Which this is Harley's attempt to break into the younger market which may be why I fell in love with it, this bike reminds me of what Buell could've been
This was refreshing. Your reaction on the off-road section was what it’s all about. Just having fun on a bike.
I have a 09 KLR650 and recently added a 21 Pan Am and was seriously impressed with the performance off road.
Everything is a compromise. A Caterpillar D10 will move dirt. So will a hand shovel. One just takes longer.
If you would say just 3 years ago that a Harley Davidson is Ducati-esque, a church would be struck by lightning or something😂. We are living in a very interesting timeline.
It’s very good looking in-person 👌 Excited for the vid papa yam
Well, few more days before my Pan am special is out, couldn't believe that yam praising this. looks like i made the right choice!
Idk if it’s just me but my 2024 pan am sifts perfectly and has zero throttle response issues. I’ve ridden sport bikes most of my life and the transmission feels smooth in my opinion
HD's new bikes with the Revolution motor might actually convince me to take a serious look at the brand, but I'll be sitting on the fence for at least a few years to see how reliable they are as the miles stack up. From what I've heard so far they just aren't there yet. I've got zero tolerance for vehicles I can't trust to get me there and back without drama.
Yup, requiring a new clutch after a couple of thou doesn't install confidence to load up and traverse outback Australia yet.
I've got a 1200 sportster. I'll never go back to a Japanese bike.
@@umpatas5468 I on the other side, I don't want to have HD never again.
@@MatheusGambati well I grew up on everything from honda to BSA. Never rode a BMW or Ducati. But I haven't had any issues. And they're easy to upgrade. I have serious engine upgrades in the planning stages right now. If I really wanted to do something similar on a metric bike it would just be less expensive to buy a new one.
Go Indian...Built 1000 times better. This coming from a Victory rider.
hearing say good job Harley is astounding lol. I used to have a 1150 gsa and now have the second gen 2024 Pan America.. Having fun ..Thanks for your review
Much better video than the last , Yammy noob for me has always been about some hilarity , thanks for bringing that back , you should defiantly review more bikes you hate , it’s honestly your best work
With a 7.5 he obviously didn't hate it too much
Yamm, remember this is also a new motor for HD. they are still tinkering with everything with the setup on that motor. So yes it does not feel quite right. I hope to see that fixed in a model year or 2.
The H-D Pan America is growing on me. At first I didn't like it that much, but now after Spites road trip and your review I kinda like it a lot :)
You need to turn off the traction control to get more throttle response. The computer will keep traction like its supposed to unless you turn it off.
A quick shifter is available now.
9:00 😂
I have a street glide and i accidentally find neutral more than i do on purpose. Ill sit there at a light going back and forth from 1st to 2nd 8 times. But if i try to downshift to 1st and try to slow roll instead of stopping and outting feet down, i always get neutral and have to panic feet down 😂
I need an off road focused bike because I think the government won't be fixing roads within the next 3 years.
This is a 60° V-twin, but it has a −30° split in the crankpin, so it fires like a 90° twin.
I really think they need to come out with about a 450cc adventure bike for a entry level. I know of several people that made the mistake of buying Pan America as first bike. But if you go to their dealership for a adventure bike the salesman has only one option.
Million Dollar Yammie. He’ll have Bar and Shield tattoo soon. It’s slowly growing on him.
After watching your review of the Pan Am, and everything Spite has had to say about this bike. I am going to get one. I am going to keep my 2008 Electraglide Ultra. Just going to add this to the garage it sounds like a fun bike for the dirt. It is a dirt bagger, I like it. Thanks for the vids keep up the good work. Yes I am an old man at 65 doing something new.
Yami over here complaining about the weight, I’ve got a little story. I just bought a 1986 goldwing aspencade, of which I’m loving, and I showed it off to my neighbor. He used to have the generation before and he told me that it handles corn fields better than most dirt bikes, lol. Yami, love your videos, without you I wouldn’t have taken the leap that got me where I am today.
Huge wave of new riders incoming!! ✌️
I still believe this would be a good starting point for HD to make a sport tour. Cast 17/17, a more moderate ride height, and some integrated bags inspired by the touring bike luggage.
after the success of this bike i guarantee they put some more R and D into expanding this line
There is a quick shifter offered under the screamin' eagle catalog🤌
Not the first attempt for HD, they just decided they were not ready yet… some one needs to get Yamster a Buell Ulysses! 460lb of fun! BTW Yam, if you are out on the east coast I have 2 for you to try out
Tottaly agree, this was years ago, but HD's decision to shutter Buell was a tragic mistake. I understand Buell will soon resurect as their own company, looking forward to that.
Just waiting for papa yam to start saying,"hell yeah, brother."😊
I know you’re comparing to the dedicated motoX and specialized for off-road motos, but what’s your thoughts of it in the ADV market, against the BMW and other adventure bikes?
I went out and bought one because of Spite and I friggin love it!
Yam praising an HD? Hell hath certainly frozen over. Great job HD! Great vid as well Yam.
I bought one two days ago. Extremely skeptical until I test drive it. WOW!!
I now this is old, but if you do a custom map, oddly enough the "sport" mode isn't on the most direct throttle response setting. There is another more spicy setting for that, as well as engine braking settings.
Love to see you get a VROD and compare the two.
So it’s an HD but it’s a dual sport. Are you still a real boy if you ride one?
Pan am is the new Harley Night Train, a.k.a. 1971 Super glide. It was so ugly, it could only be ridden at night!
I'm sticking with my Super Tenere. It's fat and not very pretty, but it will do anything and is fun to ride.
im liking my 2011 more the more i drive and learn it
My S10 is my go to as well... very capable for what it is. This video was similar to Fortnines on on the Super Tenere... critical at first, but then the bikes purpose starts to shine through. The pan am admittedly is the only offering I could legit see me dropping the coin for in the HD lineup... someday after I wear out the S10... 😆
One thing about these. Tires change the dynamics. Put sportier tires from the dealer it ups the power. Sounds weird but it’s computerized.
I think yammie really enjoyed himself on this bike after he got over his skepticism. Lol 🤣
Its that Drive By Wire system. When I rode it, that throttle just felt like a floating plastic tube that was electronically controlling the engine (because it is). Also, that kick stand is shitty. Almost shitty enough to make it not worth it.
Still love the thing. If I had the space, I'd have one right now
When I rode the HD PA I didn't not have any problems the way it shifted but I put a lot of miles on old BMW airheads.
The issue I noticed was engine heat.
But my 22 AT DCT ADVENTURE ES has a fair amount of engine heat when the Temps are above 85 deg.
I often wonder the % of rider's of big ADV bikes really ride anymore than gravel roads. And personally I can't see the need for more than 100 hp of my AT.
Not being a cruiser person I was really impressed the first time I rode the PA .
But I would never buy a first year bike till the bugs have been worked out.
Yammie’s gonna ride a REAL BAHK!
I ran a stock Pan Am on the dyno. I only got sport mode numbers though. Rated at 150 HP-94 TQ.
131 HP/81 TQ SAE
It starts waking up around 6k RPM.
I get questions about the Sportster S too. Also rated at 94 TQ but only 121 HP. But the SS had the drop on the Pan Am all the way until after 6k and the Pan Am lit off. Sportster S dyno numbers.....
73HP and (almost) 67 TQ in Rain Mode
109HP and 81TQ in Road Mode
111HP and 84TQ in Sport Mode
That looked pretty impressive.
Every complaint I hear from you sounds to me like a gamer not a rider. Nothing you said in this video against this bike held true for me. No it's not a KTM. It handled well, shifted fine and honestly was a dream.
Hard to find a decent review out of any squids, 99% seems to be about electronics, rider modes, rider modes, rider modes, tft screens.......
All Harley had to do to get yams approval was to build a bike that is nothing like a Harley 🤣
H-D offers a screaming eagle quick shifter in the performance parts catalogue. Also, it’s not heavy when compared to other big bore ADV bikes. Ever ride a GS?
The styling definitely has a Massey Fergussen International Harvester vibe.
I'd totally do that as a custom paint scheme.
Yeah, with most Harleys that would be the motor that gives you that vibe...
Harley always made a good tractor 🚜
Agco and Case have done NOTHING to deserve such insults.
After watching this i love how it's completely opposite of everything spite said about the bike off road
So is it still a 90% road and 10% dirt?
Street mode is awful for any kind of performance with both the engine and suspension. I created a custom mode for the street with more of the throttle characteristics of Sport mode, and slightly stiffer suspension than Street mode, and it feels night and day more connected with good feedback.
I really want one but it seems they have major issues unfortunatly. Bent and stright up cracked in to frames right off show room floor. Yikes. Im afraid to buy one.
For an off roading ability Harley, I don’t like the idea of removing the fuel tank to check the air filter for dust.
Maybe the same guy who fried the clutch hammered the shifter? And avid big bore ADV riders say the Pan American is comparable to the BMW GS off-road, although most give the BMW the nod because of better torque at low speeds.
I would love to see what Yam thinks about this bike now that he has officially reached ADV dad status.
Always funny thst Harley can make everything good but a cruiser. Every time they branch to something new that isn’t just generic cruiser or old fashioned road hog, they can make pretty damn good bikes.
Only my poppa would be man enough to completely change his mind once he hit dirt. I have 21 z650 I tried to get 22 gsxs100 didnt work ....any advice on the finance game?
1000
Step 1: make more money
2022 Panamerica Special has the quickshifter option. It works well. This is not a sport bike, Yam! Of course it doesn't have the throttle response of your Busa!
14:54 what was that guy doing lol. America flag and boxers out in the middle of the road
Yammie impressed by a Harley says a lot about the bike.
In street mode with stand down you want to rev it to the moon when its cold? Why?
Harely Davidson does have some pedigree for dirt track racing
You do know that what you call dirt roads, was how the main roads look when the first bikes came to life?
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. So lost.
@@Gismo3333 ooooo strike a nerve?
Well, right now Indian is stealing their lunch money in flat track.
Can confirm. My dad raced them professionally in the 70’s
I have a question, best begginer bike with quite a low budget? A2 category so up to 600cc is ok as long as its not crazy powerful
best new not crazy powerful : KTM Duke 390, RC390, MT-07, Ninja 650
best used not crazy powerful : Ninja 400, SV 650, MT-07, Ninja 650
Best 600cc new : Tuono 660 Factory, RS 660, 2022 CBR650R (95 to 100 hp)
Best sub 50hp bikes new : 2022 KTM Duke 390 and 2022 RC 390.
Try them and choose your favourite one
And for low budget best bikes used : Ninja 400, SV 650, MT-07
Low budget best bikes new : new MT-07 (and new XSR700), SV 650 (enough power for every real world road situation : twisties, highways, commute to work, shopping, etc), super reliable, you can ride them for years and grow from a beginner to medium level rider to good rider into them over 10 years of ownership Also both have factory top case. The MT-07 is more modern, better screen, and has 45 liter top box as factory configuration (good for two helmets, food and drink from the grocery store, or with inner travel bag good for travel).
And if you like very low budget and retro style : Royal Enfield bikes :
Interceptor 650 (more upright seating) , 650 GT (café racer), new Scram 411 (nice colors) Meteor 350 they are all 5 to 7k bikes new and some have navigation via cell phone at that low price tag.
I agree with the flag on that semi there 🤣
I was expecting the Noobster to be in a traction bed at the hospital by reviews end.
You can change the back lighting to white so you can read the display better.
a 1250 zipping around off road is impressive.
Nice to see ya being a little more committed off road 😎
If you're into gadgets, 150 HP engines, auto suspension, etc. then an adventure bike is not a good choice. I have a 22 cb500x, with it's measly 47 HP engine, averages 65 mph, 300 mile range and it came with only one option, ABS. Had to install a 12 socket with wiring $20 kit from Honda in addition to engine guards, pennier racks, luggage racks and wet, it still weighs 120 pounds less the Pan America wet.
wow, a Harley that actually interests me? I thought I'd never see the day.
If my health is good, I plan on hitting some fire roads on a Pan America when I retire.
Harley, "You want us to make a non-cruiser, right". Throws all the parts from the "non-cruiser" bin onto one bike.
We can't make it too good though. (Requires a throttle job and ecm flash off production line)
I've been looking at the panam s. I'm not a fan of HD. But for some reason i kinda like the way it looks. I wasn't sure if I'd like one or possibly a gs. Im a Dr guy but I'd like more of a road trip bike. Thanks for your video. I respect your opinion.
Yam have you ever rode the graham
Jarvis husqvarna 300 2 stroke? I just had the pleasure last weekend. My god what a beast of a bike
Keeps the screen on dark mode and complaints it’s not visible enought during sunny day time 🤣
Are you going to do a Pan Amm vs scrambler video?
This is just a Harley Channel now
Lolz
Missing Feature from all Adventure Bikes - Hot Sandwich Plate, microwave, I would say fridge. However I suspect some of them do have a fridge.
First! Wow.. I think they did amazing with the Pan America. I would love one!
With HD making certain parts in India, I wouldn't be too surprised to hear it has some KTM DNA..
Devils Advocate Yam Man, Harley Boys are usually BIG BOYS...
Big boys demand big toys, Spite fits the bike well, a challenging ride is a good ride in my experience. My Vn1500 classic is a big heavy slug however I ride it like I stole it, from 0 to 100 I own the mofing road, glad I ride a Kwakka but some peeps probably reckon I'm a wanna be Harley Bloke, truth be known I always wanted a Heritage softail but hey I couldnt afford the insurance on that puppy and I dont have a back up vehicle, never had an oil leak and the tourqe is what I love... I would love to ride tjat Pan Am, looks fun and hey if ot was given to me I would take it off road and probably kill it in a few days..buT Hell it would be fun..
Yams experience with the Pan Am feels similar to Fortnine's Super Tenere video...
You get to qualify every opinion with "I own a a turbo hayabusa and..."
I was here to feel the hate for HD. As a Harley rider this luke warm review is… disorienting. 😳
🤣
Not used to receiving praises I take it? 😁
@@MaaZeus uh, not from Yam!
A Harley that can’t rev bomb???? The company must be falling apart 🤣