I know looks are in the eyes of the beholder, however, this is hands down the most beautiful motorcycle in any category. Harley killed it with this design.
I'm a Harley Davidson rider, for 35 years, with a 1988 Lowrider, and I love my Pan America. I still have my Lowrider, fitted with a sidecar, and hotted up, so it is a beast. You have thought that being a limited edition CVO, they would have fitted the Screaming Eagle muffler. I have the 2022 Enthusiast Collection version, army green, with the upgraded alternator kit, and it is fantastic. I run the smaller screen, with a small deflector on top, and I don't get any buffeting, much better than the bigger screen. I also think the heated grips are fine, then I'm in Australia and I've never had heated grips. I don't think I've ever noticed a difference with the steering when the height drops. The gear box is notchy, I haven't had a problem with the 4 to 5th change, I don't have a quick shifter, as I don't see the point, not being on a race track. Neutral, can be a pain, but a slight rev and small clutch release, and it selects neutral with no problem.
I have an original 2002 V-ROD that I bought new, a 2019 Limited and a 2024 Pan America. I LOVE my Pan America. It is a blast. Each bike is unique but the PAN is a HOOT!
I have one in the states. I think this is a very accurate review. The only difference in America is that it’s socially popular. You simply can’t go out without someone stopping you to ask about it. I agree about the heated grips. They are truly hit or miss. The engine heat issues disappear when you change to exhaust to anything else. Turns out it’s the resonator box on the stock exhaust that causes most of the heat. One other thing: what most people don’t realize is that the kickstand issue is because of the ARH. Since the bike has two heights - even at rest - the bike has to choose which height the kickstand works at. That obviously must be the tallest height, or it could fall over. So those of us who have had it for a while quickly learned that after stopping and turning off the bike, just pushing the handlebars up and down a few times with the front brake engaged makes the bike rise to its highest height. Then it’s very easy to deploy the kickstand. When you really get good at it, you learn to leave it in the lowest height when parking on a surface that slopes down on the left. So you learn to take advantage of the variable height when picking out parking spots.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
I have a 22 PAN am special I live in the states Charlotte NC what nobody talks about with the pan am is that you never have to touch the valves some bikes like my fathers tiger 1200 you have to do the clearance check at 30k you never have to take the head apart on the pan am
This is a consideration I have had in my head for when I buy an adventure bike to get me into retirement-not a lot of money to be throwing at dealership service when you aren’t working anymore. My tire budget alone right now would be hard to stomach..
@ that’s exactly what I would think I’m 26 and with the Harley dealership network it’s just easy and the PA on the factory tires in chefs kiss I would like to try those Dunlop trail raids I’ve had anakee wilds on and currently riding shinko 805s
@ red line on my pan am special is 9500 RPM and pulls all the way through I’ve raced m1000s mt09s and a w900 and a r6 and I can say pan am is 100percent a fast bike
I purchased the original 2021 PAS, and just got the 2024. Absolutely love the bike. Haters will hate, as usual, but this thing has power, character, handling and comfort. I have had a lot of bikes, and this is in my top 3, besides the late ZX-9R and original R1, all for very different reasons...
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
I am for sure looking at buying one of these Pan America bikes and this video really helped. I'm personally getting away from sport bikes and going more toward the adventure and commuter bike, as well as wanting to take trips to the beach with the wife, 2 hours ride, nothing all day. These reviews very much help me so thanks for putting it together.
I have never really got the criticism regarding the looks. An adventure bike will seldom win any design contests, be it a BMW GS, a Tiger or a Harley. But I actually think this one looks quite cool, especially in side profile.
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
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I wouldn't have any other Harley as a gift, but this one I would actually not mind having
Similar issues on all the big ADV bikes, maybe more on BMW & KTM. People are gona say bad stuff if their bike is in the shop, when it's good they'll be busy riding
I think they're decent for a road-going adv bike. The part that concerns me the most is the number of 1-2 year old used models going for half priced at HD dealerships. I found 2 locally one step below CVO going for $10-12k
I have a 2021 Tiger 900 GT Pro and love that bike. I also have a 2022 Pan Am Special and previously rode a GS. Love the Tiger and love the Pan Am. One is a mid size ADV and the other is a full size ADV. Off road put 50/50 tires on both bikes but neither are dirt bikes.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
Great review! Wasn’t aware the Pan Am has a cable actuated clutch - that was a genuine surprise for me. Big fan of what Harley is doing with the Pan Am and hope they get some traction with existing Harley owners as well as other ADV riders. This bike wasn’t available when I picked up my 2019 KTM SAS but I certainly would have checked it out, and will do so at whatever point I’m looking to replace the KTM, though that may not be for some time.
Consider my PanAm a performance bike that is very comfortable on any road surface. PanAm first bike I've owned and come to the opinion the styling the colors the build quality of H-D is very good.
What do you have to say about the 50% in the first year depreciation? Have you spoken to former owners about how incredibly difficult one is to sell on lightly used?
I didn’t know a PanAm CVO was a thing. I have seen a couple PanAms and they low speed nice from what I can tell. Looks narrow in the hips which is always a plus offroad.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
CVO costs $8400 USD more than Pan America S. Aside from the CVO-only paint job, the MSRP of the extra parts only adds up to $4500. Pretty much any dealer would waive install labor fees if you bought $4500 of additional OEM gear wirh a new bike. So... is that paint job worth over $4K?
I test rode one of the Pan Americas when they first released and I was very impressed. It felt like a proper modern bike and the engine had a lot of poke to it. It sounds like they are figuring out the teething problems so its definitely a bike you should be considering if you are in the market for a bike like this. My only gripes were that it didn't come with a quickshifter and the windscreen was pretty floppy (I rode this back in 2021 though so these issues might have been addressed since then).
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
Would you recommend this for the daily commute and to go off road in the hills to do my photography of nature? Excellent reviews by both of you. Thank you, Best Regards, from America
@LooxJJ i have the multistrada v4 and it runs cooler than the pan am. When i tested the second pan am after 30min riding i went home and throw some water on the right side of the bike it was boiling
@@LooxJJ I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
The exhaust is hot at the converter/resonater. I've had one for over 10K miles, that'd be my #1 to change. I think an aftermarket exhaust would fix the hot foot & they sound awesome with an exhaust too.
Great video, thank you. I own a 1250 special and love this bike. Bit of banter from GS owners and from ‘traditional’ Harley riders but always in good spirit and have shared group rides with both. Stand needs sorting out and I have replaced the windscreen but otherwise a great bike (what are your thoughts on the directional lighting and main headlight??). Steep price point on the CVO but you can pick up a 1250 Special for a bit of a bargain and it will put a smile on your face! I’m 7000 miles in and love it!!
I'd buy a Pan America over a KTM at this point for reliability reasons. In terms of performance, they're pretty even keel. I owned a 1290 Super Adventure S for about a year before the Pan America dropped and was able to demo one. The KTM suspension was much better, but otherwise very similar. The small lag in outright power from the Pan America was negligible. Also, no valve clearance intervals with the Pan America, unlike the KTM! That's a huge savings for cost of ownership as the KTM requires that every 18.5K miles or so. With the Pan America CVO hitting just over $28k USD...that's insane. You'll never convince me that price tag is worth it for this bike. I'd take the Pan America Special, farkle the bike how I want and still come in under the CVO price point. If I was prepared to pay the CVO price, I'm getting the new R1300GSA.
@@fivespeed3026 The Pan America is on it's first generation, and based on what I have read, they are still more reliable than KTM. I am by no means a simp for Harley (quite the opposite actually), but anyone buying the first generation of anything should expect teething issues. KTM has had YEARS to perfect their LC8 platform and they still have tons of QC issues. I don't have a dog in the fight, TBH. I sold my 1290 SAS for my dream bike, but my time on the KTM owner's groups were eye-opening.
I like the Pan America, the biggest issue for me is the chain. HD recommends To maintain a healthy motorcycle chain, you have to clean and lubricate it every 300 to 500 miles of riding, that makes long distance riding a chore....
I had one of these as a rental a few months ago (not the CVO). It's decent for what it is, but other than brand loyalty, I can't think of any reason to chose one of them over a GS. It feels like it's at least as big as it looks, too.
Maybe the fact that it doesn't hang it's valve train out the side of the engine like a crash bar would be the 1st reason I'd look at something other than the BMW?
Liked the video-I lost interest in the “Dirt Glide” after running in to a few owners at a bike meet who said they felt like they were being treated like Beta Testers with the electronics-that’s inexcusable on a bike this expensive and as long in gestation as the Panamerica was at the time. Hopefully that’s behind them now-I would say that adaptive cruise control would be mandatory for me on a bike like this so if the time comes for me to buy a big adventure bike (it’s coming) I’ll look again and see if they’ve adapted that or not.
I have a 2022 PAS and it’s been great and runs along just as good as the guys on BMW and AT I ride with. I wouldn’t buy a cvo though that being said. I also don’t have the adaptive ride height and didn’t want it. Those bike will go where you want it to. Only thing that would make it better for me would be a 21” front. That’s the only reason I might look at trading in a couple years as I do ride true 50/50 and have taken it down some single track 😂 but the ohlins dampener really helps. I have yet in person to hear someone say something bad about it 🤷🏽♂️
I had a 2021 Panam (the green one). I put 36k kilometers in two years. Loved this bike, the style, and the engine...but I had two much issues due to electronics...and above all, the battery...HD put a really small battery for a full electronic bike...Maybe they set things up after all...But too late on my side...Reliability is key for this kind of bike that you are bringing across Europe... In France, you can find Panam for really cheap because the reliability is a disaster ! I went for a Suzuki Vstrom 1050 DE, I wanted to forget my past issues !
The electoral problems were taken care of on the 2024. I had a 21 with the issues and now have a 24, the bike has been perfect Nothing but tires and gas. I have to say it's the best all-around bike I've ever owned.
I've had the Pan America Special and now I've got a Multistrada V4S. The Ducati does every single thing a little bit better than the Harley, and it's much more comfortable on any terrain.
Another excellent MCN review! Having ridden one I have to say that motor is a solid stonker! I liked the bike, but my Triumph Speed Triple is much more my idea of the perfect bike. 👍
I went to test ride a nearly new MT09 at a Harley dealer in Australia. Because it was a "cheap" Japanese bike, the salesmen treated me with a level of contempt that I don't think I have ever experienced before. This is no doubt why other riders didn't want to associate with you.
Tbh, I dont get the whole HD ownership thing, especially with how overpriced they are (IMO), but hey, if he really rates and likes it, it doesn't really matter what I think. Each to their own. :)
Pan Am costs the same as a GS/Multistrada in the USA. But there’s way more dealerships for HD than BMW or Ducati. You could be 500+ miles from the nearest BMW/Ducati dealership, but probably less than 100 to HD. Makes a difference.
@piersdenney Being a US brand, that's undoubtedly true for the US. Here in the UK, Ducati has a similar number of dealerships to HD while BMW has more than twice the amount. We see more GS's on the road than any other ADV's.
@@prof.2248 - I am only going by what I found on the world wide web. The Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special weighs 242 kg when shipped and 258 kg in running order The BMW R1300GS has a wet weight of 237 kilograms (522 lb) The BMW R 1300 GS Adventure has a wet weight of 593 lbs, and an unladen weight of 269 kg PAS (258kg) / 1300GS (237kg) - 21kg heavier than GS PAS (258kg) / 1300GSA (269kg) - 11kg heavier than the PAS If my information is incorrect, apologies, only going by what I find on the manufacturer websites.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
Harely missed a trick in not putting this 150 BHP engine in the Bronx which never arrived. A modern V twin with hydraulic tappets and great naked looks would be a good seller.
Worst bike I've ever ridden. I don't believe HD's power claims, had to stop in less than an hour due to handle bar vibration, killed my hands. Screen pathetic, handling not good no matter how the suspension was setup. Comfort not good for a tall rider and heat from engine and issue, wouldn't want to be on it in Greece or Morroco.
Das Motorrad, the biggest European motorcycle magazine, did a 50.000 km test of an early HD PanAm Special: 2 clutches replaced, starter clutch replaced, complete wiring harness replaced (didn't solve the recurring fault codes), battery terminals and regulator heavily corroded (placed directly in the spray path of front wheel = design error), bike regularly jumping out of 5th gear, erratic quick shifter behaviour, engine runs rough below 3000 rpm and doesn't like cold weather, erratic behaviour of the lowering rear shock. So better watch out if you are on the hunt for a second hand PanAm. Also: MCN's test method is flawed. Das Motorrad does not assign a long term bike to one rider and they allow different riders to take out the long term test bikes. I.m.o. this results in a more objective view of a bikes pros and cons and more meaningful comparisons with other similar bikes.
I watched about the first minuet and then realised their "long term test" was under 1000 miles!, come on, I can do that over a long weekend, if your going to test a bike give it to someone who will actually ride it. I must admit to being sceptical about the build quality, I've only done about 100 miles on one, (with a flashing warning light), and eventually the person it belonged to traded it in after HD told him it would take over 3 months to get and fit the parts it needed - water pump, something to do with switchgear and a fix for poor software. He bought it at 2 years old, kept it for a year, and it was struggling reliability wise most of that time, as i mentioned, he traded it in for a BMW once it had about 13/14k on the clock and broke down and was basically unrepairable for the rest of the summer. So although the engine, ride, and handling were fine (I'm no expert) for the short time I tried it, and he was happy enough with it in all other aspects, it just struggled to be relevant when so much went wrong with it and he was constantly re setting "faults" which came and went on a weekly basis with no particular reason. I'm sure a brand new top of the range on is great, roll on the proper long term test when it's got some miles on it.
Just expect it, there is so much on both sides of the argument within the Harley community. There are three Harley riders , the Harley diehard, the Harley nerds and the Harley assholes. I've met them all.
You could just do the bare minimum of research via google (or indeed actually watch and listen to this video), and you would know the answer to that question.
If only there was a device that let you instantly look up information for just about anything you could think of. Can't imagine what that would be like.
£24k!! 😂. Having sold my 1250 sportster s and losing £2k in 8 months, I wouldn’t touch a new Harley with a barge pole and never one outside of warranty. Can pick lowish mileage Pan Americas for £7k-£9k, worth buying at that price maybe but at £24k may aswell just burn money
@ this was a used bike bought from a private seller who had already lost about £3k on it from new, so in the space of about a year, it had lost about £5k between me and the original owner
still that horrible plastic part under windscreen even on cvo model 🤮 and can we talk about reliability on Pan america !!? two friends of mine just sell it after 2 month because of multiple electronic problems. (wasn't Cvo model)
Just took out my 2024 CVO Pan Am for a New Year’s ride yesterday. Best Harley I’ve owned in the past 12 years.
I know looks are in the eyes of the beholder, however, this is hands down the most beautiful motorcycle in any category. Harley killed it with this design.
I'm a Harley Davidson rider, for 35 years, with a 1988 Lowrider, and I love my Pan America. I still have my Lowrider, fitted with a sidecar, and hotted up, so it is a beast. You have thought that being a limited edition CVO, they would have fitted the Screaming Eagle muffler. I have the 2022 Enthusiast Collection version, army green, with the upgraded alternator kit, and it is fantastic. I run the smaller screen, with a small deflector on top, and I don't get any buffeting, much better than the bigger screen. I also think the heated grips are fine, then I'm in Australia and I've never had heated grips. I don't think I've ever noticed a difference with the steering when the height drops. The gear box is notchy, I haven't had a problem with the 4 to 5th change, I don't have a quick shifter, as I don't see the point, not being on a race track. Neutral, can be a pain, but a slight rev and small clutch release, and it selects neutral with no problem.
I have an original 2002 V-ROD that I bought new, a 2019 Limited and a 2024 Pan America. I LOVE my Pan America. It is a blast. Each bike is unique but the PAN is a HOOT!
I have one in the states. I think this is a very accurate review.
The only difference in America is that it’s socially popular. You simply can’t go out without someone stopping you to ask about it.
I agree about the heated grips. They are truly hit or miss.
The engine heat issues disappear when you change to exhaust to anything else. Turns out it’s the resonator box on the stock exhaust that causes most of the heat.
One other thing: what most people don’t realize is that the kickstand issue is because of the ARH. Since the bike has two heights - even at rest - the bike has to choose which height the kickstand works at. That obviously must be the tallest height, or it could fall over. So those of us who have had it for a while quickly learned that after stopping and turning off the bike, just pushing the handlebars up and down a few times with the front brake engaged makes the bike rise to its highest height. Then it’s very easy to deploy the kickstand. When you really get good at it, you learn to leave it in the lowest height when parking on a surface that slopes down on the left. So you learn to take advantage of the variable height when picking out parking spots.
It was just under 12,000 miles, and if you listen further I even say I did over 1,000 in 23 hours as part of the test.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
I have a 22 PAN am special I live in the states Charlotte NC what nobody talks about with the pan am is that you never have to touch the valves some bikes like my fathers tiger 1200 you have to do the clearance check at 30k you never have to take the head apart on the pan am
That’s pretty impressive!
This is a consideration I have had in my head for when I buy an adventure bike to get me into retirement-not a lot of money to be throwing at dealership service when you aren’t working anymore. My tire budget alone right now would be hard to stomach..
@ that’s exactly what I would think I’m 26 and with the Harley dealership network it’s just easy and the PA on the factory tires in chefs kiss I would like to try those Dunlop trail raids I’ve had anakee wilds on and currently riding shinko 805s
Having a motor that can rev past 2200 RPM is worth having to check the valves.
@ red line on my pan am special is 9500 RPM and pulls all the way through I’ve raced m1000s mt09s and a w900 and a r6 and I can say pan am is 100percent a fast bike
Do you think Justin enjoyed the 12,000 miles on the Pan America?
I purchased the original 2021 PAS, and just got the 2024. Absolutely love the bike. Haters will hate, as usual, but this thing has power, character, handling and comfort. I have had a lot of bikes, and this is in my top 3, besides the late ZX-9R and original R1, all for very different reasons...
Wish it had DCT like Honda. New Biker here and want automatic gear
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
Great review I love Justin’s enthusiasm and well balanced review for the bike 👍👍👍
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
Grey just so u know something about Justin. He is a HOMOSAPIEN
Was sceptic about H-D making ADV bike, but for me they nailed it with Pan America, ❤❤
Great video keep it up 🤟
I am for sure looking at buying one of these Pan America bikes and this video really helped. I'm personally getting away from sport bikes and going more toward the adventure and commuter bike, as well as wanting to take trips to the beach with the wife, 2 hours ride, nothing all day. These reviews very much help me so thanks for putting it together.
I think regardless of the make, it's a super looking thing!
I have never really got the criticism regarding the looks. An adventure bike will seldom win any design contests, be it a BMW GS, a Tiger or a Harley. But I actually think this one looks quite cool, especially in side profile.
A bare bones tiger 900 in carnival red looks incredible to my eyes.
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
I wouldn't have any other Harley as a gift, but this one I would actually not mind having
Thanks for the great review!
Those that haven’t ridden one, it’s worth going to test ride. Best bike I’ve ever ridden.
I almost got one and then I joined the FB groups and found out about the reliability!
Similar issues on all the big ADV bikes, maybe more on BMW & KTM. People are gona say bad stuff if their bike is in the shop, when it's good they'll be busy riding
I think they're decent for a road-going adv bike. The part that concerns me the most is the number of 1-2 year old used models going for half priced at HD dealerships. I found 2 locally one step below CVO going for $10-12k
Probably cause it’s been to the shop six or seven times like mine has.
I have a 2021 Tiger 900 GT Pro and love that bike. I also have a 2022 Pan Am Special and previously rode a GS. Love the Tiger and love the Pan Am. One is a mid size ADV and the other is a full size ADV. Off road put 50/50 tires on both bikes but neither are dirt bikes.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
Great review! Wasn’t aware the Pan Am has a cable actuated clutch - that was a genuine surprise for me. Big fan of what Harley is doing with the Pan Am and hope they get some traction with existing Harley owners as well as other ADV riders. This bike wasn’t available when I picked up my 2019 KTM SAS but I certainly would have checked it out, and will do so at whatever point I’m looking to replace the KTM, though that may not be for some time.
At last. Been waiting for this. It's a brilliant motorbike. Really different from the norm
Consider my PanAm a performance bike that is very comfortable on any road surface. PanAm first bike I've owned and come to the opinion the styling the colors the build quality of H-D is very good.
Brilliant review 👍
What do you have to say about the 50% in the first year depreciation? Have you spoken to former owners about how incredibly difficult one is to sell on lightly used?
I like the look of it but 24k. Way too much money or Im just too broke.
29k in the states
@@RetiredCHP13374 "Starting at"! Add a few extra farkles, some mandatory apparel and OTD fee's.......OUCH!
Deal, men, deal! There's always wiggle room in pricing, and with their present German CEO, their fortunes have looked somewhat dimmer recently! 😬
Where were the mountain shots filmed?
I didn’t know a PanAm CVO was a thing. I have seen a couple PanAms and they low speed nice from what I can tell. Looks narrow in the hips which is always a plus offroad.
This just in... Harley Davidson still in business.
... so far.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
Enjoyable review 👍
CVO costs $8400 USD more than Pan America S. Aside from the CVO-only paint job, the MSRP of the extra parts only adds up to $4500. Pretty much any dealer would waive install labor fees if you bought $4500 of additional OEM gear wirh a new bike. So... is that paint job worth over $4K?
I test rode one of the Pan Americas when they first released and I was very impressed. It felt like a proper modern bike and the engine had a lot of poke to it. It sounds like they are figuring out the teething problems so its definitely a bike you should be considering if you are in the market for a bike like this. My only gripes were that it didn't come with a quickshifter and the windscreen was pretty floppy (I rode this back in 2021 though so these issues might have been addressed since then).
I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
Would you recommend this for the daily commute and to go off road in the hills to do my photography of nature? Excellent reviews by both of you. Thank you, Best Regards, from America
I tested the bike twice really wanted to buy it but the heat omg 😒. Summer around town your right calf is cooked
23 and onward has heat shield. FYI, it runs cooler than Multistrada.
@LooxJJ i have the multistrada v4 and it runs cooler than the pan am. When i tested the second pan am after 30min riding i went home and throw some water on the right side of the bike it was boiling
@@LooxJJ I met Justin on the road. He was very eccentric on his thoughts and review plan with this bike. He bought me a bag of lays Potatoe chips and a soft drink and explained that he really likes this bike even know it is rough around the edges as he said. He then explained how functionally this bike was. He said he loves the v-twin and tracks with a real purpose. he liked using the massive Lucious horsepower and justified the speeding tickets he obtained from this review. He was thinking of ditching the cops but decided it may not be the best idea. This bike has the best of the best tolls for safety and reliability. I can keep going if you would like. The pan America is an eager bike that likes to hang out on fire roads and such. It also is very confident and can brake on a dime. It works beautifully and stable. Have a nice day. Thanks justin.Oh justin had to hang his legs in a safe place as he explains in the video
The exhaust is hot at the converter/resonater. I've had one for over 10K miles, that'd be my #1 to change. I think an aftermarket exhaust would fix the hot foot & they sound awesome with an exhaust too.
Do they have no designers in the USA?
I’m thinking to buy one of these CVO’s and tour a portion of South America. Anyone got advice, tips, hints or warnings?
Great video, thank you. I own a 1250 special and love this bike. Bit of banter from GS owners and from ‘traditional’ Harley riders but always in good spirit and have shared group rides with both. Stand needs sorting out and I have replaced the windscreen but otherwise a great bike (what are your thoughts on the directional lighting and main headlight??). Steep price point on the CVO but you can pick up a 1250 Special for a bit of a bargain and it will put a smile on your face! I’m 7000 miles in and love it!!
I'd buy a Pan America over a KTM at this point for reliability reasons. In terms of performance, they're pretty even keel. I owned a 1290 Super Adventure S for about a year before the Pan America dropped and was able to demo one. The KTM suspension was much better, but otherwise very similar. The small lag in outright power from the Pan America was negligible. Also, no valve clearance intervals with the Pan America, unlike the KTM! That's a huge savings for cost of ownership as the KTM requires that every 18.5K miles or so. With the Pan America CVO hitting just over $28k USD...that's insane. You'll never convince me that price tag is worth it for this bike. I'd take the Pan America Special, farkle the bike how I want and still come in under the CVO price point. If I was prepared to pay the CVO price, I'm getting the new R1300GSA.
My Pan Am is the least reliable motorcycle I’ve ever had
@@fivespeed3026 The Pan America is on it's first generation, and based on what I have read, they are still more reliable than KTM. I am by no means a simp for Harley (quite the opposite actually), but anyone buying the first generation of anything should expect teething issues. KTM has had YEARS to perfect their LC8 platform and they still have tons of QC issues. I don't have a dog in the fight, TBH. I sold my 1290 SAS for my dream bike, but my time on the KTM owner's groups were eye-opening.
Looks like a character now .. First one I've liked for long time 👍
Had the bike for 6 months, toured Europe & the UK, yet only did 1k?
Was the rest of the miles on the back of an RAC truck?
He said 11k miles i think.
*12,000 miles
I have a Softail Deluxe and would never pay 24K for a dirtbike
Love my PA CVO
I like the Pan America, the biggest issue for me is the chain. HD recommends To maintain a healthy motorcycle chain, you have to clean and lubricate it every 300 to 500 miles of riding, that makes long distance riding a chore....
I had one of these as a rental a few months ago (not the CVO). It's decent for what it is, but other than brand loyalty, I can't think of any reason to chose one of them over a GS. It feels like it's at least as big as it looks, too.
Maybe the fact that it doesn't hang it's valve train out the side of the engine like a crash bar would be the 1st reason I'd look at something other than the BMW?
Liked the video-I lost interest in the “Dirt Glide” after running in to a few owners at a bike meet who said they felt like they were being treated like Beta Testers with the electronics-that’s inexcusable on a bike this expensive and as long in gestation as the Panamerica was at the time. Hopefully that’s behind them now-I would say that adaptive cruise control would be mandatory for me on a bike like this so if the time comes for me to buy a big adventure bike (it’s coming) I’ll look again and see if they’ve adapted that or not.
One of HD’s recent best looking mods motorcycles
I have a 2022 PAS and it’s been great and runs along just as good as the guys on BMW and AT I ride with. I wouldn’t buy a cvo though that being said. I also don’t have the adaptive ride height and didn’t want it. Those bike will go where you want it to. Only thing that would make it better for me would be a 21” front. That’s the only reason I might look at trading in a couple years as I do ride true 50/50 and have taken it down some single track 😂 but the ohlins dampener really helps. I have yet in person to hear someone say something bad about it 🤷🏽♂️
I had a 2021 Panam (the green one). I put 36k kilometers in two years. Loved this bike, the style, and the engine...but I had two much issues due to electronics...and above all, the battery...HD put a really small battery for a full electronic bike...Maybe they set things up after all...But too late on my side...Reliability is key for this kind of bike that you are bringing across Europe... In France, you can find Panam for really cheap because the reliability is a disaster ! I went for a Suzuki Vstrom 1050 DE, I wanted to forget my past issues !
The electoral problems were taken care of on the 2024. I had a 21 with the issues and now have a 24, the bike has been perfect Nothing but tires and gas. I have to say it's the best all-around bike I've ever owned.
Insane prices
I’ve a ‘21 special and the heated grips are scorching!
Need a sports bike with this engine!
I think that the new sportster has it
It was planned but hd changed ceo and scrapped it. Was called the bronx.
I've had the Pan America Special and now I've got a Multistrada V4S. The Ducati does every single thing a little bit better than the Harley, and it's much more comfortable on any terrain.
I think Harley missed a trick not pursuing that Brox project. Either way, great to hear the review.
They did pursue the Bronx project, they just renamed it. Sportster S.
@@Teatimeted the sportster is a cruiser, the bronx was to be a naked. not the same
@@TheHolyPlaya we can agree to disagree
I would choose this over the GS..... In 3-2-1 GO!
I drive an AT1100, a KLR650, 84 Nighthawk S. I great and respect all my biking brothers and sisters, and will stop to render aid to any other biker.
I see 11,967 on the odo.
I was like the rest of you.... "a thousand?"
Not my cup of tea, but impressive.
I caught that too... think he meant 11k
I thought the same, but at 2:53 he stated riding 1,000 miles in one day..
@@darylclifford yea, I heard that also...thats why I looked harder 🙂
06:00 That exhaust box looks crustier than SpongeBob SquarePants boxers.
He talks very well
Mine the top end blew up at 2k miles...
It isn’t Harley’s first adventure bike, that was the Buel Ulysses!
You can get a 1 year old S-Special model for £10k, has all the same features and powder of the CVO
Another excellent MCN review! Having ridden one I have to say that motor is a solid stonker! I liked the bike, but my Triumph Speed Triple is much more my idea of the perfect bike. 👍
Bikies in Australia tend to ride Ford Rangers. 🙂
I want that engine in a Road Glide Ultra.
That, or make a Pikes Peak version (17" front wheel), something similar to a BMW S1000XR.
I went to test ride a nearly new MT09 at a Harley dealer in Australia. Because it was a "cheap" Japanese bike, the salesmen treated me with a level of contempt that I don't think I have ever experienced before. This is no doubt why other riders didn't want to associate with you.
Jak dla mnie HD jest najładniejszym motocyklem segmentu Adwenture. Pozdrawiam.
At £24k it's really hard to care....
24 grand 😂😂🤦♂️
Tbh, I dont get the whole HD ownership thing, especially with how overpriced they are (IMO), but hey, if he really rates and likes it, it doesn't really matter what I think. Each to their own. :)
Pan Am costs the same as a GS/Multistrada in the USA. But there’s way more dealerships for HD than BMW or Ducati. You could be 500+ miles from the nearest BMW/Ducati dealership, but probably less than 100 to HD. Makes a difference.
@piersdenney Being a US brand, that's undoubtedly true for the US.
Here in the UK, Ducati has a similar number of dealerships to HD while BMW has more than twice the amount. We see more GS's on the road than any other ADV's.
62kg more than Bm 1300GS , 20 Nm less and manual windscreen. I would choose Bmw.
Its actually a 20kg difference - according to the respective websites 😀
Check again ... normal version 237kg , gsa 269kg where you see 20kg? Is 62kg and 30kg difference
@@prof.2248 - I am only going by what I found on the world wide web.
The Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special weighs 242 kg when shipped and 258 kg in running order
The BMW R1300GS has a wet weight of 237 kilograms (522 lb)
The BMW R 1300 GS Adventure has a wet weight of 593 lbs, and an unladen weight of 269 kg
PAS (258kg) / 1300GS (237kg) - 21kg heavier than GS
PAS (258kg) / 1300GSA (269kg) - 11kg heavier than the PAS
If my information is incorrect, apologies, only going by what I find on the manufacturer websites.
've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
Tiger 1200 much better than any you mentioned.
Harely missed a trick in not putting this 150 BHP engine in the Bronx which never arrived. A modern V twin with hydraulic tappets and great naked looks would be a good seller.
Worst bike I've ever ridden. I don't believe HD's power claims, had to stop in less than an hour due to handle bar vibration, killed my hands. Screen pathetic, handling not good no matter how the suspension was setup. Comfort not good for a tall rider and heat from engine and issue, wouldn't want to be on it in Greece or Morroco.
Das Motorrad, the biggest European motorcycle magazine, did a 50.000 km test of an early HD PanAm Special: 2 clutches replaced, starter clutch replaced, complete wiring harness replaced (didn't solve the recurring fault codes), battery terminals and regulator heavily corroded (placed directly in the spray path of front wheel = design error), bike regularly jumping out of 5th gear, erratic quick shifter behaviour, engine runs rough below 3000 rpm and doesn't like cold weather, erratic behaviour of the lowering rear shock. So better watch out if you are on the hunt for a second hand PanAm. Also: MCN's test method is flawed. Das Motorrad does not assign a long term bike to one rider and they allow different riders to take out the long term test bikes. I.m.o. this results in a more objective view of a bikes pros and cons and more meaningful comparisons with other similar bikes.
Why no apple CarPlay like the other Harley?, harley app is a pain.
I watched about the first minuet and then realised their "long term test" was under 1000 miles!, come on, I can do that over a long weekend, if your going to test a bike give it to someone who will actually ride it.
I must admit to being sceptical about the build quality, I've only done about 100 miles on one, (with a flashing warning light), and eventually the person it belonged to traded it in after HD told him it would take over 3 months to get and fit the parts it needed - water pump, something to do with switchgear and a fix for poor software. He bought it at 2 years old, kept it for a year, and it was struggling reliability wise most of that time, as i mentioned, he traded it in for a BMW once it had about 13/14k on the clock and broke down and was basically unrepairable for the rest of the summer.
So although the engine, ride, and handling were fine (I'm no expert) for the short time I tried it, and he was happy enough with it in all other aspects, it just struggled to be relevant when so much went wrong with it and he was constantly re setting "faults" which came and went on a weekly basis with no particular reason.
I'm sure a brand new top of the range on is great, roll on the proper long term test when it's got some miles on it.
*12,000 miles
Such a shame that people look at these in a weird way. When Harley go bust which theu will it wont be for the lack of trying !
Nit pick butt, why does the motor look like its made of plastic, ugh...
The Harley hate is strong in the comments 😂
No-one is forcing you to watch this or buy one!
Just expect it, there is so much on both sides of the argument within the Harley community. There are three Harley riders , the Harley diehard, the Harley nerds and the Harley assholes. I've met them all.
Get the regular non CVO model and save yourself thousands on the price. CVO models are a cash grabbing gimmick by HD.
Get what you want
Does it have an agricultural engine in it?
Nah I'd say comparable to any other high compression V Twin
You could just do the bare minimum of research via google (or indeed actually watch and listen to this video), and you would know the answer to that question.
If only there was a device that let you instantly look up information for just about anything you could think of. Can't imagine what that would be like.
CVO is where HD make the most money for the least effort.
Good luck to them
Is there a KTM anymore?
In receivership, I think.
6 months, 1000 miles??
*12,000 miles
That bike is hideous!
It has a short person mode for the tippy toers lmao!!!
Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it…
£24k!! 😂. Having sold my 1250 sportster s and losing £2k in 8 months, I wouldn’t touch a new Harley with a barge pole and never one outside of warranty. Can pick lowish mileage Pan Americas for £7k-£9k, worth buying at that price maybe but at £24k may aswell just burn money
2k is about the difference between trade and retail price, irrespective of the make and model of bike.
@ this was a used bike bought from a private seller who had already lost about £3k on it from new, so in the space of about a year, it had lost about £5k between me and the original owner
You are what’s wrong with the market if you pay 24k for this POS
The bottom line is that you pay more for less bike just because of the name. Ride what you like.
Paint job for $5k extra
Nice review. However, it’s still fugly and it’s still a HD.
Cry about it
99% of adventure bikes are fugly.
@@barnsnoble7066 Cry? I’m LMFAO!
@@travelinben1966 🤔 Africa Twin?
(arguably) the best harley ever?!
Could not live with the shame of riding a harley.
Hey, look how awful the rear of that refrigerator is! Oh, wait! It's a Pan America.
Pick it up pikeyy
Another review where they mention a laughably heavy, 300kg+ bike and supermoto in the same sentence... WTF.
300kg? That's crazy, I liked it until that piece of info
Ride one, it does feel like a Super Moto. Crazy fast, just rips and you can sit up on the tank super moto style.
@@RufusCapstick it's not true, it weighs around 248 kg.
still that horrible plastic part under windscreen even on cvo model 🤮 and can we talk about reliability on Pan america !!? two friends of mine just sell it after 2 month because of multiple electronic problems. (wasn't Cvo model)
Looks like a hot bath sink, as all harleys. million times better a triumph.
Yeh but it looks like Bender from Futurama
Not a fan of these all talk reviews. A little boring, but nothing a little b roll couldn’t fix