Christianity & Judaism Vs Islam: Christianity & Judaism: 1- Psalm 83:6 is removed in the Quran. 2- Jesus is Jewish. Our main guy is a Messiah who is Jewish. John 4:22 says salvation is from the Jews. 2.1- The Christian God is Jewish. When Jews reject divinity of Jesus, that's like humility: 'Oh, how could we say Yahweh is Jewish like us?' Meanwhile, gentile Christians can't be accused of narcissism for saying God is Jewish. 2.2- CHRIST IS KING/queen/monarch, regardless of Christ's identity. 3- Love your neighbour as yourself. 4- Be not afraid. (The most spoken sentence in Christian or Hebrew Bibles) 5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then that person really is dead. 6- Abraham sacrificed Isaac, not Ishmael. 7- Our people know Torah and all these Messianic prophecies. 8- Elijah means 'God is Yahweh.' 9- Gave the world the holiday of Christmas on Dec25 or Jan01. 10- Lamentations 3:30 says turn the other cheek and is removed in the Quran. 11- Our religions started in what later became the state of Israel, a great country to live in. So are the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, Poland, Belgium & Switzerland. 12 - As of 2022: Our 2 most dictatorial countries Democratic Republic of the Congo & Central African Republic are Zionist. There are only 2 anti-Zionist Christian countries, Cuba & Venezuela, both dictatorships. 13- When Americans, British, Filipinx or Israelis are attacked like on 2001Sep11 or 2023Oct07 or in Mindanao, we bring perpetrators to justice. 14- Chess: We have Bobby Fischer x Miyoko Watai, Bobby's nephew Wesley So x Carissa Yip, Vera Menchik, Boris Gelfand, Nona Gaprindashvili, Fabiano Caruana, Irina Krush, Hans Niemann, Carissa Yip, Sergey Karjakin, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Anatoly Karpov, the Polgar sisters, Ian Nepomniachtchi, Nona Gaprindashvili, MVL, the Muzychuk sisters, Vladimir Kramnik, Mogul chessboxing champion Dina Belenkaya, Levon Aronian x Arianne Caoili (and Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov & Hikaru Nakamura x Atousa, but they're cheaters). (Bonus: Add Hinduism for Vishy Anand & Buddhism for Liren Ding.) 15- 'Sabbath/Shabbat was made for man/woman. Not humans for the Sabbath.' 16- Matthew 10:37 - Jesus never said love Jesus or God MORE than your family. 17- Matthew 18:6 a fortiori means that employing child soldiers is a war crime. 18- Our top countries are the US & Israel. The US, aka the great Satan, is the leader of the free world, is the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population. Israel, aka the little Satan, is the Jewish state. Gee. Who gave our top countries these names great & little Satan? 19- We're anti-fragile. Christianity: After Jews & Romans killed Jesus, we got, respectively, Paul & Constantine. Judaism: As of 2022, Israel has never lost a war and gains territory during some wars. 20- Acts 17:11 praises Jews & Christians for questioning scripture daily. Islam: 1- Mohammed is an Ishmaelite and at 53yo did a 9yo girl. 2- Jesus is Muslim. Jesus' Messiahship pales in comparison to seal Mohammed & upcoming Mahdi. 2.1- Islam's rejection of Jesus' divinity is more like 'God is Jewish? No way. Allah is Arab! Mohammed is de facto deified s.t. the Muslim God is gentile Arab. This won't be narcissistic if we spread Islam outside the Arab world.' Lol. 2.2- Sahih al-Bukhari 7137 says that you obey Mohammed if and only if you obey God. MOHAMMED IS (not - wink wink - GOD BUT) KING. 3- Muslims don't know Quran 5:51 and so wonder why Christians support Jews/Israel over Muslims/Palestine/Arab world. Lol. 4- Be afraid. (The most implied sentence in Islam) 5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then it's possible that Allah will use this person to start 2 false religions. (Judaism = Jesus is not Messiah. Christianity = Jesus is God.) 6- Quran denies Genesis 16:12 after THREE millennia (2400 BC to 600 AD). 7- Mohammed can't read and at 53yo did a 9yo girl. 8- Mohammed thought God's name is Allah because of the Aramaic 'Eli' and at 53yo did a 9yo girl. 9- Gave the world the holidays of 2001Sep11 & 2023Oct07. 10- Islamic Breaking Bad: 'A Jew/Christian opens their door and turns the other cheek and you think that of me? I am the one who slaps!' 11- Saudi Arabia is... Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Norway, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon are... 12- As of 2022: We have only 3 democracies. Indonesia & Malaysia are the only 2 anti-Zionist democracies and they just so happen to be Muslim. (3rd is Albania, the only Zionist Muslim democracy.) There are only 3 anti-Zionist non-Muslim countries (Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea), all dictatorships. 13- Who are Kurds, Uyghur's or Rohingya's? 14- We have Alireza Firouzja...oh left for France. We have Teimour Radjabov, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov & Nodirbek Abdusattorov ... oh wait those 3 are probably Jewish since FSU. (But ok fine Bassem Amin, the only supergrandmaster medical doctor & Randa Seder are impressive.) 15- Praying 5x a day is a whole hour. It's like going to church everyday. 16- Sahih al-Bukhari 15 : Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, yet we're supposed to love Mohammed MORE than our family. WE MUST LOVE MOHAMMED MORE THAN ALLAH. Golda Meir: 17- Hamas does this, but Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, so I guess Muslims don't consider 9yo as children. 18- Indonesia is the top in Muslim population and is luckily a democracy because Indonesia is also the top in ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity (or Judaism). Lol! 19- Islam is very fragile. Islam might be the fastest growing in believers (Muslims) but is also the fastest in apostates (ex-Muslims) even despite apostasy laws. Lol. Additionally, Mohammed was poisoned by the prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith (peace be upon her), a Jewish woman w/ a lamb. This represents 3 enemies of Islam/Jihadism/Arab world: A. Christianity/democracy/the US, the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population (But actually depending on your definition of Jew, the US may be considered the top in Jewish population!) aka the great Satan (lamb) B. Judaism/Zionism/Israel, the Jewish state aka the little Satan (Jewish) C. Feminism (woman) D. Me (I was told I'm the 4th enemy. Lol.) I got this idea from David Wood & Apostate Prophet - peace be upon h. Someone compared this to how Jesus saved a Jewish woman from stoning. So similarly, I thought of how this represents 2 allies of Christianity/democracy/the US: A. Judaism/Zionism/Israel (Jewish) B. Feminism (woman) And 1 enemy of Christianity: C. Islam/Jihadism/Arab world (re stoning) Now as for Zaynab: Islam never gained allies from Christianity, Judaism or feminism the way Christianity gained from Romans & Judaism. 20- Quran 5:101 says Allah hates questions. Lol. (Ok I'm taking out of context. But come on. You know Gasai what I mean.) --- Also - Judaism inspired the foundation of the US. ( see UB-i-UPJAtY ) - Christianity inspires the continuation/sustenance of the US/west/democracy. - Islam will inspire the end of the US/west/democracy. Reminds me of - The 1st generation makes/starts the business. - The 2nd generation maintains/improves it. - The 3rd spends it. - The 4th wastes it.
2nd: 0- How do you know Gasai about corruption or Gospel or Torah given there's no such verse outright explicitly in the Quran as David Wood & Apostate Prophet PBUH say? 1- How do you explain Nikah halala? Aisha? Maria the copt? Human shields? 72 houris? 2 As of 2022: - The 2 most democratic Muslim countries, Malaysia & Indonesia, is anti-Zionist. The only 2 anti-Zionist democracies are precisely those 2, and then they're both Muslim. - The 2 most dictatorial Christian countries, CAR & DCR, are Zionist. - There are only 3 anti-Zionist non-Muslim countries, namely Cuba, Venezuela & North Korea. While 2 are unfortunately Christian, they're the only 2 Christian anti-Zionist countries, and then they're both dictatorships. What does this mean? 3 Why are Christian/Jewish/Hindu countries generally more democratic and better to live in than Muslim countries? 4 Why's most terrorism today from Islam? 5 There are stories of abused ex-Muslim women saved by Christianity/Judaism. Where are the stories of abused ex-Christian/ex-Jewish women saved by Islam? LOL. 6 Chess: Why do Jewish, Hindu & Christian players do better than Muslim players? 7a Mohammed lived in 600 AD, was no scholar, had many wives & slaves, claimed to know better than Paul & Matthew who actually knew Jesus & Peter while Paul & Jesus died as martyrs living in poverty. 7b Jesus saved a Jewish woman from stoning. This represents 2 allies of Christianity/democracy/the US, the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population (But actually depending on your definition of Jew, the US may be considered the top in Jewish population!) aka the great Satan: 1- Judaism/Zionism/Israel, the Jewish state aka the little Satan (Jewish) 2- Feminism (woman) And 1 enemy of Christianity 3- Islam/Jihadism/Arab world (stoning) Mohammed was poisoned/murdered/killed/assassinated by the prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith (peace be upon her), a Jewish woman w/ a lamb. This represents 3 enemies of Islam/Jihadism/Arab world: 1- Christianity/democracy/the US (lamb) 2- Judaism/Zionism/Israel (Jewish) 3- Feminism (woman) Coincidence? Prophecy? 8 Muslims say Jesus preached Islam and then the message was corrupted by Paul, Constantine & Council of Nicaea. Why can't Christians say Mohammed preached Christianity and then the message was corrupted by Uthman? 9 Why do non-Muslims agree the world is better off if each Muslim converted to other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism? (Maybe not Buddhism because of China & Myanmar. Lol.) Or at least is better as compared to if all Christians converted to Islam? 10 Re Quran 4:157 10a Sheikh Imran Hosein says Jesus wasn't crucified in the sense of not dying in the sense that Jesus' soul & body were separated but only temporarily. Why can't this be? (oYYmAQxjaQc) 10b What was the point of the crucifixion illusion which created 2 false religions (Judaism = Jesus not Messiah & Christianity = Jesus is God) ? (Y7E_tW2HXfk) 10c Why don't Quran 3:169 & Quran 8:17 suggest a different reading as David Wood says? (fMe9tCCs2h8) 11 How come after Jesus said turn the other cheek (Lamentations 3:30), love your enemies, no divorce, no employing children to do evil (Matthew 18:6) no stoning unless sinless (John 8:7), Mohammed seemingly threw all these away? 12 What does Messiah even mean? 13 What is the point of messiahship, virgin birth and then either death & resurrection or crucifixion illusion of Jesus? And even the title Word of God? 14 Sahih al-Bukhari 7137 says that you obey Mohammed if and only if you obey Allah. MOHAMMED IS ALLAH?! HAHAHAHA 15 Sahih al-Bukhari 15 : We're supposed to love Mohammed MORE than our family. WE MUST LOVE MOHAMMED MORE THAN ALLAH. How did Mohammed supersede Jesus in Matthew 10:37 where Jesus never said to love Jesus more than family? 16 Indonesia is the top in Muslim population and is luckily a democracy because Indonesia is also the top in ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity (or Judaism). So without apostasy laws and stuff and with more democracy, Muslims will convert to Christianity (or Judaism)? LOL. 17 Most importantly why don't you use your real name and face?
@FARID Last prophet Muhammad and ZAYD IBN THABIT took laws from the Tawrat, the portion where Allah speaks to MUSA. Like the Law for ADULTERY, CIRCUMCISION and Not shave the side of head and beard etc.. Last prophet Muhammad and ZAYD IBN THABIT """"""didnt"""""""" take anything from the Roman Pagan Bible or Gospels authored by Romans and GREEKS, because GOD is not speaking to ISA in Bible. Both Muhammad and ZAYD ibn THABIT OBEYED the QURAN 5 48 verse and JUDGED by the TAWRAT, acorrding to the condtion that the QURAN has Guardian over the TAWRAT.
Yeah. I had two Christians replying to me on Reddit a few days ago using that same embarrassing argument, because I said their religion is full of pathological liars.
Almost all their arguments against islam have been refuted so they result to non arguments or claim that iah is Lah because they can’t read English (their first language) and then say al-lah and think that they are saying something worth arguing about
@JanSzafranski what are you on about? Doesn't even make sense. Which muslim makes the argument that "ALL evidence against it MUST be corrupted"? It's not our problem that you take the word of anonymous authors, who never met jesus and whose words were documented 100s years after the events they proclaim to record. That's 3 layers of ambiguity u depend on for ur salvation and expect us to accept as the basis of ur polemics. "Okeeee"
@@JanSzafranskiwell this is a christian position too 😂 We have multiple ways to verify the authenticity. Seems like you have no clue about muslims and islam. Opposed to that the christians position is just believe despite having countless contradictions and no preservation. ?
@@mikemalzahn It was a test from Allah. If a prophet hears something from Him he must assume it is good even if it may be seen as evil (like Abraham being ordered to sacrifice his son, only for him to be spared and succeed the test). Allah commanded him to do it then later told him the reason was that the boy would grow up to be a tyrant who would oppress his parents.
@user-on8jx3qr8w are u really using a MAJOR sign of the hour as an argument 😐 Like why would someone endanger his religion by making huge claims about the hour, that would destroy his religion as soon as one comes the opposite ?
@@mikemalzahn Bro sorry but that is the most bizzar and weird argument I’ve ever heard. Like Bro……. This is a major sign, actually one of the big signs of the endtimes. To use the current non presence of Gog and Magog as an argument against Islam is…..stupid. A better argument against Islam would be the past not the future. For example the claims of the Quran about the time of prophet joseph, wich are all true by the way, the Quran knew it before the Europeans came to discover that information. In conclusion I get yourself some better argument or you will embarrass yourself. Like…..bro.
@@JanSzafranski >>>>Careful... that's what I said and then suffered the wrath of his followers ==================== Unfortunately for gentiles like you whom Jesus himself called dogs, swine and are not fit to get the pearls from his hand many of the Muslims' rebuttal made you go silent totally. Or you will repeat the stuff again all over the place.
Except, he never refuses the actual argument. A. The Quran testifies to the authority of the Torah and Gospel. Surah 3:3-4 B. The Quran testifies that with Allah’s help the true followers of Jesus become dominant. Surah 61:14 C. The believers who became dominant were the Catholic church. D. The Catholic church, the Torah, and Gospel directly contradict the Quran in teachings and in the telling of stories in Scripture. Conclusion: the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they are not in line with what they claim came before it OR the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they claim to come after the Torah and Gospel when the Quran should be claiming to be distinct and different from anything that came before it.
@@bigideasthescholar I don't think links can be sent here. Search up "Daniel Haqiqatjou and Sam Shamoun." Its the video that has a clown on the thumbnail, you can't miss it.
What happens when you are not confronted by a straw man? A. The Quran testifies to the authority of the Torah and Gospel. Surah 3:3-4 B. The Quran testifies that with Allah’s help the true followers of Jesus become dominant. Surah 61:14 C. The believers who became dominant were the Catholic church. D. The Catholic church, the Torah, and Gospel directly contradict the Quran in teachings and in the telling of stories in Scripture. Conclusion: the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they are not in line with what they claim came before it OR the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they claim to come after the Torah and Gospel when the Quran should be claiming to be distinct and different from anything that came before it.
To them it means their Bible is valid. So the Christian claims are true. Unfortunately for them, the Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
It's a common trope among the intellectually bankrupt Christian polemics to attack Islam first before explaining what Christianity says about reality and what not. They literally cannot let their own "religion" speak for itself. They need Islam to exist so that they can use it as a starting point for their self-refuting and idiotic arguments whenever they want to tear anything down. And that's the thing with these people. They're useless. They don't build anything, they only know how to attack, critique and tear down ideas. But I'm not saying that they're actually successful in that, they couldn't be further from it if we're being honest.
Why it matters? Because Muhammad is lying in your (Muslims) face. And Christians are simply exposing the lies found in Quran to muslims because most Muslims are ignorant and have not read the Bible themselves to see.
@@NCSiebertdesign >>>> Because Muhammad is lying ========================== None of you prove it yet. The fact is the Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scripturres. Bible has too many errors, discrepancies, inconsistencies, contradictions. These are all signs of lies.
@@JanSzafranskiNever mind the Quran it's above your comprehension skills, Paul the Roman pagan self appointed false apostle of Satan who met him on the road to Damascus and he told a contradicting account of meeting Jesus instead then went to write 70% of the New testament contradicting all Jesus's teachings and his disciples.
@@JanSzafranski No , we won't allow you to interpret our Quran the way you want pualithiests The Roman empire created Christianity after corrupting the real message of Essa son of Mariam ﷺ which was Islam to control the people, Therefore,Is Mark Mathew Luke and John called Injeel or is it called the bible or new testament was ? Was written in the Aramaic language or is it written in Koine Greek? was Jesus holding the gospels of Mark Mathew Luke and John and Paul's letters in his hands preaching from them ? 😂 wake up from your delusions buddy the gossips were named way later in history ,You have thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament - at last count, somewhere around 5600 manuscripts in Greek alone (that includes everything from small fragments the size of a credit card with just a few letters written on them to massive volumes with the entire New Testament from beginning to end). Over 94% of these manuscripts come to you from after the ninth Christian century - so 800 years or more after the books of the New Testament were first written and placed in circulation. But some of them are early - with fragments going back to the second century and most complete full manuscript (Codex sinaticus) going back to the fourth century, So in reality you have 0 % manuscript from the first 125 years at least .
Do you mean Abu Lahab the same guy Allah chose to insult specifically in the Qur'an. Since when the creator of the universe lowers himself at the point of insulting one man. Pathetic.
@@alditrajaWhat exactly is pathetic about this? Is Allah (s.w.t) pathetic for calling Muhammad, may peace be upon him, "habibullah", which means "beloved of God"? It looks like the creator of the universe lowered himself to the point of loving one man. You see what I did there? -you probably didn't- Your objection is the only thing that is pathetic and the fact that some 35+ year old something French guy actually took his time to expose his own idiocy for everyone to shame you for. Now THAT is pathetic. Get lost.
@@alditraja Since when does the Creator of the universe lower himself to becoming a man born from a woman's private part, need to eat drink and defecate and then allow himself to be killed on a cross by ancient Romans as a penance for mankind's sins when He could've just forgiven them without debasing himself in such a manner? Pathetic.
@@ryuzaki5491 Twist but NOT corrupt it by writing. And do you really believe the Creator would allow creatures to alter his revelation? Are you really claiming the Creator couldn't stop this?
@@lesliewilliam3777 It refuses to be words of the Creator after they are changed. He allowed it because He gave the freedom of choice to humans. I'm glad you agree that Jews and Christians twist the scripture.
@@ryuzaki5491 1. "It refuses to be words of the Creator after they are changed." Response: Thank you for agreeing with me that YOUR "god" was incapable of preserving his own revelation. My point still remains: If such a "god" is so feckless that he can't/won't protect his own revelation, how can "he" control and protect the entire universe? 2. "He allowed it because He gave the freedom of choice to humans." Response: So human choice overrules your "god's" sovereignty? That makes humans more powerful than your "god" which, thinking logically, ain't much of a god at all. 3. "I'm glad you agree that Jews and Christians twist the scripture." Response: No, neither Islam nor I say that. Islam says only Jews committed tahrif-i-manawi, not tahrif-i-lafzi. It makes no comment against Christians.
@@lesliewilliam3777 what kind of point is that, if God didn't want to preserve it how does that make him less Mighty, it is not that He wasn't able to, He didn't want, let me ask you this question, why didn't your "God, Jesus if you are Christian" save himself from humans, wow, that makes him less powerful than humans, omg
They are just jealous that people enter Islam while they force themselves to follow a dude who calls God a moron and ascribes weakness to Him (1 Cor 1:25) and who calls Jesus a curse (Gal 3: 13)... I'm a serious scholar, I'm not a schoolboy! And I don't give 2 peanuts about who disagrees with me, I don't give 2 peanuts for them!
We're coming to a time were Prophet Muhammed PBUH told us that a time will come were holding ur Islam is like holding holding an ember with fire, may Allah firm our hearts
Never mind the Quran it's above your comprehension skills, Paul the Roman pagan self appointed false apostle of Satan who met him on the road to Damascus and he told a contradicting account of meeting Jesus instead then went to write 70% of the New testament contradicting all Jesus's teachings and his disciples.@@JanSzafranski
@@thecrow6388 "Do you ˹believers still˺ expect them to be true to you, though a group of them would hear the word of Allah then *_knowingly corrupt_* it after understanding it?" Q2:75
Our masjid this past Friday, 7/12, was ambushed by David Wood, hatun tash, usama Dakdok, Mary Harb, The apostate prophet and others. We did not recognize who they were when they came unannounced in search of dawah, or so they said at the very beginning. We have come to find out that at least with a southern poverty line they've deemed Dakdok and his group a hate group. It was surreal sitting next to a bunch of racists and not knowing who they were. It was even far more surreal that they chose our masjid, which is in the bad parts of town. A bunch of white Christians wanted to start a fight with black Muslims on Friday. That's messed up.
@@matthummel8306 Like how he stole, committed adultery, had sex with a child, murdered his enemies...these are the best arguments against Islam. Who in their right mind can't see that a man doing these acts can't be a prophet of God? Oh yeh, I forgot: Your "god" said he could do these things. Simple.
@@blingcicero6570 and thus you are making same mistake as david wood and rest of his friend cronies 😅 Just because there is haman in bible (I assume THIS IS THE PLACE YOU REFRENCE) doesnt mean haman in pharaoh era according to quran is wrong. After all we did find record there is title haman in pharaoh era from rosetta stone which mean similiar to quartermaster or master of builders
@@lesliewilliam3777 The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
@@rajababy2009 Clearly you are severely under-educated. As all Jews and Christians know, Torah forms the first 5 books of ALL Bibles that have ever existed. Always have, always will be. You can't miss Torah. Just when I thought I knew just how dumb someone can be and then along comes you. That "quibble" aside, if no Trinity in the OT, explain this from the very beginning of Torah: "And [Adam and Eve] heard the sound of YHWH God walking in the garden" (Genesis 3). Who was walking in the garden? And aghain from Torah, this: "Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel." (Exodus 24). Whom did Moses et al see?
@@bigideasthescholar You made some points under a specific reply thread. This is a refutation of it: A) It literally says nothing about the authority of Torah and the gospel. Verse 3 says that the Quran was sent down confirming what came before it. In order to confirm something, one must be in line with what it is confirming. The early Muslims knew the text the Christians and Jews had, and if it was the Bible you have today. How did they deal with the Bible CLEARLY being different (like Moses' leprous hand) from what the Quran was saying? The Quran confirming the Bible proves that the Bible is not the previous revelation. If the Quran 'confirms' what came before it, what came before it has to be in line with it. Quran elsewhere says that the crucifixion is a conjecture, and the NT teaches the crucifixion, hence the Quran doesn't confirm the New Testament. An evidence of this can be seen from what the early Muslims were doing. We see in a few hadiths that the Jewish texts were very much similar to the Quranic texts, hence the Quran CONFIRMS the previous revelations. - They said, "In the Torah, we find that if four men testify that they saw his male organ in her womb, similar to when the eyeliner is inserted inside the eyeliner container; in this case they are stoned." (Al-Munzhiri declared this narration to be authentic in Al-Targheeb Wal-Tarheeb, Volume 3, p. 188) B) Okay? So? You know that we have NOTHING from the other stream that disagreed with Paul? We only have Acts which was written by an unknown follower of Paul which we can't even prove was an eyewitness. Allah made them more dominant than the liars, what do you mean by dominance? Dominance doesn't mean that one side will be in power and one won't. There have been people who were believers, but were slaves, powerless, yet Allah still promised them dominance. Dominance has nothing to do with popularity, power etc. C) The same thing I addressed. If this is what the Quran really meant, you're basically saying the author of the Quran and the early Muslims believed that the Catholic Church was also divinely inspired. Which is bogus and has no evidence. Instead, the Catholic Church which teaches the Trinity was attacked by the Quran (The belief that God is the third of three, which would mean ANY form of Trinity). D) This is why the Quran doesn't say "The texts that is with the Christians and the Jews is the very word of God Allah sent" but rather that the Quran confirms the torah and Injeel. The Quran cannot confirm something that doesn't align with it. The same New Testament (Injeel, in your perception) that the Quran confirms contains explicit teaching of crucifixion, something which the Quran says is a conjecture. Conclusion: The author of the Quran never says anything about any Bible. But Torah and Injeel, the Torah and Injeel were the true revelations sent by Allah. Your Bible has a saying of mustard seed from Jesus, which the Quran says was sent by Allah, hence that is the Injeel. The Quran is the criterion, it is an attribute of the Quran known as "Al Furqan". As 5:48 speaks about the Quran being the criterion, and that make sense. If the Quran is the criterion, it is to be used as the criteria in distinguishing what comes from Allah and what doesn't. This is how the Quran confirms what came before it. If the Quran says that God exists, but the Bible says that God doesn't exist, how can the Quran CONFIRM the Bible? Despite the author of the Quran clearly knowing what was in the Bible (Moses' leprous hand being refuted in the Quran as the Quran says it is "unblemished" is intentional).
I think the slide at the end really helps. You can't both claim something is preserved and authoritative and then preach a bunch of stuff that conflicts from that something and supposedly nobody realized this until some scholar mentions it 400 years later. You can't say something should be followed and is salvation then on another hand repeatedly say things that imply those people following it over the Quran are not saved and it should not be followed over the Quran. There are several reasons why so many terrible arguments come from the Christians. One is that they treat the Quran like how they treat their Bible, making up whatever interpretation regardless of how conflicting and speculative it is and regardless of having virtually no qualifications nor any authority to do so.
@@thecrow6388the quran literally says the quran is authoritative over past Scriptures in 5:48 The quran also mentions corruption with both written & interpretation forms With the hadith being more explicit With ibn Abbas for example YOU are the one requires to give valid evidence which doesn't conflict with basic evidence in our texts (twisting the meaning of our texts doesn't prove ur point, which is what the whole Islamic dilemma nonsense is) The Islamic dilemma is literally just Christians reinterpretation of Islamic texts & complaining why it doesn't make sense U don't get to create an imaginary argument
@@thecrow6388 1. Confirming the origin is from God isn't claiming it isn't adulterated 2. It literally says it is an authority & criterion of past Scripture Which means what disagrees with the quran isn't an authority 3. Over a millenia of scholarship will never be replaced by some random dudes embarrassing ignorance of a faith he didn't study 4. Since u mention picking & choosing address the clear things that contradict unequivocally ur claims 5. More evidence is the quran mentioning Biblical narratives & correcting (ie the bible isnt correct so it isn't from God fully bcz it is corrupted as factually proven by empirical evidence of scholarship) Like the quran mentioning 1. Solomon disbelieving & denying it 2. God being tired & denying it 3. Moses hand coming out white without disease instead of white with leprosy 4. Samiri building the calf instead of Aaron & so on U can't just intentionally disapprove of something while agreeing it is fully from God We have quran hadith & centuries of scholarship on our side You have picking & choosing ur own biased interpretation of our texts & bunch of bigoted anti muslim christian missionaries who made up the non existing problem We are not the same
@JanSzafranski there is a key difference between the majority of Christians and Muslim YTers who do have patreons etc (e.g. muslim lantern) is that their content preaches islam while most of thr Christians profit off hating Islam
Is it worth to spend time with him? Are Chris' arguments still valid? Perhaps you might want to give an example of his argument that convinced you of his worthiness.
I think the dumbest way to resolve the islamic dilemma is what you said about some jewish man converting to islam at the time of Muhammad. That doesn't mean anything, especially since we cannot confirm if these people were fictional or true.
There is no dilemma nor was that Farids refutation nor do you have any authority to question who is fiction and who isn't. Sad behavior tbh The Bible is corrupted and no Muslim is needed to prove that. You know this hence why you're desperately trying to convice us that that's not the case by trying to use the Quran....i mean wow
@@thecrow6388 Farid already have his refution, but the most ridiculous thing here is that TH-camr Christians since 2020 moved from trying to prove Jesus is god and the preservation of their Bible (which no Biblical scholar agrees is preserved) from christian sources to the Quran 🤣🤣 Lying against the Quran is even worse than lying against the Bible and saying Jesus is X or claiming the Bible is preserved without proving it. Now even Christians have are lost with your nonsense. Anyways, the Quran never affirms the preservation of the Bible but rather specifically says the Torah is corrupted and the Christians corrupted the religion of Jesus after him. As for Christian scholarship regarding it, The Christian Biblical scholars have a consensus that 1. The authors of the 4 Gospels are unknown 2. Not a single NT author is eye witness 3. Oldest mansucript, Rylands Library Papyrus P52, dates to 150-175 which shows that *no eye witness wrote it.* 4. 94% of the New Testament mansucripts comes from 9th century onwards i.e 94% of the NT mansucripts that *EXIST* were written after the Quran. References: Aland, Kurt; Aland, Barbara (1995). The Text of The New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism, p. 81 Reddish, Mitchell (2011). An Introduction to The Gospels. Lindars, Barnabas; Edwards, Ruth; Court, John M. (2000). The Johannine Literature Then you have edition like the NIV that says in it's footnotes that the Verses regarding the Adulteress are *NOT* in the early mansucripts thus making them fabricated verses. Famously 1 John 5:7 was shown to be a *fabrication* hence why most Bible editions *removed it completely.* The NT is corrupt. Your entire religion is based on this corruption that has no link to any of the living humans during the era it's reporting from. No amount of lying about the Quran will change the facts and you know it.
@@thecrow6388 Yeah you are spamming. You keep repeating the same stuff all over the place despite answer had already been given. Instead of continue from what has been left, you create the same comment again.
If Mohammed was in doubts about his revelation and he read the scriptures, as suggested by Allah, and he sees that it’s completely different from his revelations, will that clear up his doubts ? Q10:94 Seeing is not believing. The cognitive dissonance runs too deep in Islam for Muslims to believe what they actually read in their Quran! The worst thing you can do to a child is tell the child to memorize or recite a “Holy book,” written or inspired by God-Any book! It impedes the child's critical thinking regarding that book
What if you addressed the actual argument? A. The Quran testifies to the authority of the Torah and Gospel. Surah 3:3-4 B. The Quran testifies that with Allah’s help the true followers of Jesus become dominant. Surah 61:14 C. The believers who became dominant were the Catholic church. D. The Catholic church, the Torah, and Gospel directly contradict the Quran in teachings and in the telling of stories in Scripture. Conclusion: the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they are not in line with what they claim came before it OR the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they claim to come after the Torah and Gospel when the Quran should be claiming to be distinct and different from anything that came before it.
@@bigideasthescholar A. Quran affirms Tawrat & Injeel were revelations given to the respective prophets sent by God to guide their own people. Whenever Quran quotes these names, it refers to those revelations. Not the ones written by anonymous writers. B & C. There were many factions of early Christianity. One of them was the group who proclaimed the truth and said that he was neither god nor the son of god, but he was Allah's servant and His Messenger. Eventually, Allah raised the Final Messenger of Allah who supported the group of the true believers. The Believers prevailed. History tells us how the Roman empire collapsed after embracing Christianity while Islam brought the light to the dark ages. D. When asked of the most important commandment, Jesus answered : Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is the ONLY GOD. (Mark 12.29) The same message from all prophets sent by God can also be found in Deut 6.4. The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
@@bigideasthescholar A) It literally says nothing about the authority of Torah and the gospel. Verse 3 says that the Quran was sent down confirming what came before it. In order to confirm something, one must be in line with what it is confirming. The early Muslims knew the text the Christians and Jews had, and if it was the Bible you have today. How did they deal with the Bible CLEARLY being different (like Moses' leprous hand) from what the Quran was saying? The Quran confirming the Bible proves that the Bible is not the previous revelation. If the Quran 'confirms' what came before it, what came before it has to be in line with it. Quran elsewhere says that the crucifixion is a conjecture, and the NT teaches the crucifixion, hence the Quran doesn't confirm the New Testament. An evidence of this can be seen from what the early Muslims were doing. We see in a few hadiths that the Jewish texts were very much similar to the Quranic texts, hence the Quran CONFIRMS the previous revelations. - They said, "In the Torah, we find that if four men testify that they saw his male organ in her womb, similar to when the eyeliner is inserted inside the eyeliner container; in this case they are stoned." (Al-Munzhiri declared this narration to be authentic in Al-Targheeb Wal-Tarheeb, Volume 3, p. 188) B) Okay? So? You know that we have NOTHING from the other stream that disagreed with Paul? We only have Acts which was written by an unknown follower of Paul which we can't even prove was an eyewitness. Allah made them more dominant than the liars, what do you mean by dominance? Dominance doesn't mean that one side will be in power and one won't. There have been people who were believers, but were slaves, powerless, yet Allah still promised them dominance. Dominance has nothing to do with popularity, power etc. C) The same thing I addressed. If this is what the Quran really meant, you're basically saying the author of the Quran and the early Muslims believed that the Catholic Church was also divinely inspired. Which is bogus and has no evidence. Instead, the Catholic Church which teaches the Trinity was attacked by the Quran (The belief that God is the third of three, which would mean ANY form of Trinity). D) This is why the Quran doesn't say "The texts that is with the Christians and the Jews is the very word of God Allah sent" but rather that the Quran confirms the torah and Injeel. The Quran cannot confirm something that doesn't align with it. The same New Testament (Injeel, in your perception) that the Quran confirms contains explicit teaching of crucifixion, something which the Quran says is a conjecture. Conclusion: The author of the Quran never says anything about any Bible. But Torah and Injeel, the Torah and Injeel were the true revelations sent by Allah. Your Bible has a saying of mustard seed from Jesus, which the Quran says was sent by Allah, hence that is the Injeel. The Quran is the criterion, it is an attribute of the Quran known as "Al Furqan". As 5:48 speaks about the Quran being the criterion, and that make sense. If the Quran is the criterion, it is to be used as the criteria in distinguishing what comes from Allah and what doesn't. This is how the Quran confirms what came before it. If the Quran says that God exists, but the Bible says that God doesn't exist, how can the Quran CONFIRM the Bible? Despite the author of the Quran clearly knowing what was in the Bible (Moses' leprous hand being refuted in the Quran as the Quran says it is "unblemished" is intentional).
@@rKaraaBecause you are clearly here to cause fitnah. If you want to sleep around with women and immediately divorce them, then you’ll clearly have fun time in hellfire.
@@theelite5580 This was my previous comment. : Sam got refuted by Shaykh Uthman when the former came to the latter daawah booth. Which part of it is hard for you to understand?
@@letmetalk2240 That there wasn't a discussion, it was a simple back and forth for like 30 seconds, Uthman didn't refute him because he didn't have an argumentative discussion with him.
The main purpose of the online missionaries is to convince the ignorant Christian layperson, to convince them to give the missionary their money so they only need to sound convinced, they don't need to actually produce a convincing argument as none of these lay people are going to go and actually look into the arguments themselves.
I just had an argument about this topic on Instagram with a christian apologist, and he kept repeating this when I clarification Quran 3:3 is not talking about bible and torah of today
Hi Farid, you didn’t engage with the argument or the Quran verses. Chris at Speakers Corner invites you to a one on one in his latest video. I encourage all Muslims to watch his response and the Christians hope you rise to the occasion. 😁
The priest quoting John should go and learn the Greek grammar because the last bit about '' and the word was God'' is a mistake either made intentionally or by mistake by the christian translators because there should have been an apostrophe at the end of the last word God as God's ( and the word was God's meaning word of God instead of being God) I think they call it logos
Hi, how do i look to Sura 18:27? ==> 'Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.' If none can change the words of Allah, how can the gospels and the Torah be corrupt? Sura 5:68 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” … Allah surely would not tell us to stand on a corrupt book? I'm sorry if you already dealt with these verses, but i can't find it in your videos...
>>>If none can change the words of Allah, how can the gospels and the Torah be corrupt? =========================== God said " "And the swine, because it divides the hoof but chews not the cud, it is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7 & Deut 14:8) His words remained unchanged. Even if Paul claimed it is no more unclean, Paul's words did not change God's words. God did not give Paul the authority to change His words.
>>>>˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” ========================================== Unfortunately, they changed God's words. Hence, they have nothing to stand on. Quran 2:79 Woe to those who, with their hands, write the Scripture and then claim, “This is from God,” to sell it for a paltry price. Woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they’ve earned.
@@letmetalk2240 First: accusing your accuser of having the same error you are being accused of doesn't justify your error... but ok, never mind, I hope you would understand the following: ==> It was not Paul who changed anything, but Jesus. He said that he came to fulfill the law.. (Math5:17-18). He clearly stated that all of the law will always stand. But.. and that's really the point: it is in him (in Jesus), that all of the law is fulfilled! And Jesus made that clear in the gospels.. The food law is a good example: Mark 7:18 So He (Jesus) said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, (thus purifying all foods)?” 20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” The law of the old testament showed all the world that the people of God are supposed to be different than the surrounding, gentile nations. And it were just those laws that pointed to the coming of the righteous one, who fulfilled all of these laws! All other people, every human being (including me and you), fail miserably in trying to keep all of Gods laws.. The only one who was able to do it, was God Himself, who took on Himself our fallen state as human beings by becoming human. He obeyed and fulfilled all of the law.. That's why He is the only one who could stand as a worthy sacrifice offering to pay for the sin of the world.. The universal moral laws and the ceremonial/sacrificial laws, all still stand for every person. But there is no one on earth that can obey all of them... And it is actually Jesus who changed the understanding of the law by revealing its true meaning.. Think for yourself: look at some specific food and hygiene laws, like unclean animals (shell fish, pig,..), having a place outside the camp and covering your excrements... That was actually really helpful for the Israelites to survive 40 years in the desert... Today we know what terrible bacteria and diseases can come with shellfish and pig meat. Bacteria we now can control by antibiotics in the animal foods and so on.. But Jesus declared all food clean and revealed what it is really about: Mark 7:18 "Do you not perceive (Jesus spoke) that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated? So, in short, we didn't change Gods word... We follow the one who is Gods Word! And in Jesus, trough His Holy Spirit, we become more like Him, the perfect one... If we repent from our sin and put our trust in Him completely. Thnx
As for the Gospel of Jesus: The gospels of Mark, Mathew, Luke and John affirm that Jesus went around preaching The Gospel. They distinguish themselves from the Gospel preached by Jesus.
Saying that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ took from the so-called "bible" is like saying the authors of the so-called "bible" took from the Torah. The chronological argument is a cheap-shot on the part of the Christians when we already admit that the original book has been corrupted so obviously some truth remains in them. However, one verse Christians overlook from the Qur'an and settles their cheap-shot argument is the following: "And We have revealed to you, [O Muḥammad], the Book [i.e., the Qur’ān] in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a muhaymin (superseding) over it. So judge between them by what Allāh has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allāh willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allāh is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ." (Qur'an - 5:48)
Lol Muslims are GREAT with affirming and understanding their traditions but not so good with others. If you understand how the scriptures were compiled, you would understand what it would take to change them. To change them would be a great feat itself.
Prof. Bart Ehrman who has deep understanding of the subject got something for you to ponder: If Muslim scholars over the centuries - from the very beginning - made dead sure that when they copied their sacred text they didn’t change anything, why didn’t Christian scribes do the same thing??? Here I should stress that within Judaism as well, at least in the Middle Ages, there was exorbitant care taken to ensure that every page, every sentence, every word, every letter of the Torah was copied with complete and resolute accuracy (that’s not true for an earlier period of Judaism, to be sure; but it became true in Judaism in a way that never, ever was true in Christianity). Christian scribes did not do the same thing. We have many thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament. They all have mistakes in them. Lots of accidental mistakes (hundreds of thousands) from times that scribes were inept, inattentive, sleepy, or otherwise careless; and even lots of mistakes that appear to be places that scribes altered the text to make them say something other than what it originally said. You don’t appear to get that with the Qur’an.
@@thecrow6388 Now you’re just making claims. If the Qur’an did confirm authority and preservation of the bible like we know it today, then why does it contradict the trinity the idea that God has a son?
@@thecrow6388 Refute what exactly? The Christian apologists who are more devoted to attacking Islam rather than their own religion? A self-declared psychopath such as David Wood? What argument is in their favour?
@@thecrow6388 The people of that time still had remnants of the old scriptures. For example, the Medinan Jews were awaiting for “their” prophet to appear in Medina. Doesn’t this prove that they still had remnants of the previous scriptures revealed to Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them)?
@@thecrow6388 Welp, I don’t know what does. The Qur’an does not confirm the bible is 100% preserved. There is truth to it, I believe, but it is not 100% true. It’s like a full glass of holy water, but then someone decides to slightly urinate in it, only a very small discharge. The whole thing gets affected.
@@abdulahadsyed3525 >>>>It’s like a full glass of holy water, but then someone decides to slightly urinate in it, only a very small discharge. The whole thing gets affected. ============================= 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Let's simplify it for people who want to get it when the game maker makes the game perfectly he dropped it to the people after few years people will modify the game change it by using mods and corrupt the game with new files that did not exist in the original game change files so they can cheat in the game
You are in denial. Did Quran affirm the Bible? First of all, you need to tell us which version IS APPROVED BY YAHWEH OR JESUS. The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books) The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books) Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books) The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT) The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books)
So, no analysis of the Quran and Hadith citations used by the argument? “People converted anyway, so it must not be a problem” is not a very good refutation. It would undermine all arguments against internal inconsistencies in all world religions.
Hey wait a minute.. but quran also said the corruption of previous revelation. Dont do these apologetic guys read it? Or know it BUT INTENTIONALLY IGNORE IT 😅
This guy thinks Ibn Hazm was the first one to have this theory when he doesn’t even have access to the classical texts to know which scholars actually held which views 😂
@@lesliewilliam3777 Ibn Hazm* Referring to him as Hazm would be like referring to Alexander the son of Philip as Philip, and for a previous scholar I’ll give you something better, I’ll give you Ibn Abbas a mufassir and companion of the Prophet👍
At-Taubah 9:40 إِلَّا تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ ٱللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ ثَانِىَ ٱثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِى ٱلْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَٰحِبِهِۦ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ مَعَنَاۖ فَأَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُۥ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُۥ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَجَعَلَ كَلِمَةَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ ٱلسُّفْلَىٰۗ وَكَلِمَةُ ٱللَّهِ هِىَ ٱلْعُلْيَاۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ If you do not aid him - Allāh has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allāh is with us." And Allāh sent down His tranquility upon him and supported him with soldiers you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allāh - that is the highest. And Allāh is Exalted in Might and Wise.
That is the point, the Quran only speaks positively about the Jewish and Christian Scriptures- never once saying the texts have any fault. The only thing you can get from the Quran is people misinterpret or misrepresent what is in their Scriptures by their tongue. The biggest problem is you are even required to believe in the previous Scripture the same way you believe in the Quran, divinely inspired and preserved. Surah 4:136= O you who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed upon His Messenger *and the Book which He revealed from before.* And whoever disbelieves in Allah and His Angels, *and His Books,* and His Messengers and the Day the Last, then surely he lost the way, straying far away.
This doesn't refer to today's books 😅 We just have to believe that Allah has revealed the books,but the people who received it twisted them instwad,there's a verse in surah 2 that affirms this
Read the Quran again. This time very carefully. When Quran mentions Torah or Injeel, it refers to the revelations given directly to Prophet Musa AS (Moses) and Prophet Isa as (Jesus) respectively. The revelations were not given to any Tom, Dick or Harry.
@@jalaluddeenibnabumurrahthe5215 if the Quran is Allah’s eternal speech it definitely is referring to the current books, nowhere does it say to just believe in some original books. Or are you saying you don’t have to believe in the Torah, Quran, etc in their present forms? Surah 2 never says people twisted the actual book, only that people misinterpret and misrepresent what they hear- without even knowing the Book. People do this with Quran too, has no effect on the Text. Surah 2 says Quran came affirming/believing in the previous Scriptures (Surah 2:41-44, 89-91, 97, etc)
@@letmetalk2240 you’re incorrect, the Quran never associates the Torah with Moses. The Quran says the Jews in Muhammad’s time have the Torah with them in Surah 5:43, then continuing on in Surah 5:47 to “Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it.” We know what the Torah and Gospel refers to in seventh century Arabia, since we have manuscripts of them everywhere centuries prior.
@@progressiveoverload3915 yeah,Allah's words are eternal that's correct that is why only 18% of all biblos contents can be confirmed using the Quran as a base It still does not refer to the WHOLE books You said that peoples never twisted the actual book yet confirmed the misinterpretation/misrepresent part....What are those if not twisting the real meaning of the books lol,i don't understand your way of thinking If you said that the Quran is misrepresent/misinterpret as well,that either refers to the translations or some islamic scholar misinterpreted them like the J scholar does to the torah....Give me evidence of such misinterpretation of the Quran
I listened to this rambling for 8 minutes and I’m still trying to figure out your point as no effort was made to refute or at least point out holes in any of the arguments
Not even the Christian academics and historians claim the Bible to be preserved. They have confirmed unknown authors of entire chapters, such as Hebrews. There are confirmed historical errors in the Bible such as the term 'Pharaoh' for the authority of Jozef when it should be 'king'. The Bible is confirmed, ridden with contradictions from one writer to the other, things as simple as having wrong numbers (age, amount of people etc).
So if the Qur'an is historically accurate. Can you tell me when the term isa was used. That was a term that was never used when jesus lived. If the bible is so unreliable can you tell me using the Qur'an or islamic literature what century Jesus lived in... or the town that he was born...
Personally, I do not find this to be a dumb argument against Islam at all and think its perfectly clear that Muhammed copied many stories from both the Jews & Christians, plus other faiths and historical pagan beliefs as well. This is simply "Logical" when you look at Muhammed's life! To explain this I would simply say.... Muhammed was born and was essentially a "Nobody" who had no wealth and no official education. However, Muhammed then married his first wife who happened to be one of the richest and most powerful traders in Mecca at the time. This is where the problem began, because basically, Muhammed was then thrown into "High Society" that he essentially went from nothing, to suddenly being the husband of one of the richest and most powerful women in all of Mecca. However, its a known fact that Muhammed could NOT HELP his new wife with her business because Muhammed.... Couldn't read or write. Knew nothing about math. Had 0% experience as a business person. Didn't know or understand his wife's trade very well. Basically, Muhammed first wife DID NOT need Muhammed's help at all. Muhammed first wife was basically "Killing It" and was running an extremely good and powerful business without any help from Muhammed at all. She was already a "Made Women / Rich Women" and she didn't need her new husband to help. She had already made her business a total success, without Muhammed. In this case, what did Muhammed do? Well actually, Muhammed simply lazed around and was suddenly thrust into rich / high / upper class society, where he had MANY YEARS to sit around speaking to scholars, traders, travelers, business experts, religious gurus. Muhammed married his first wife when he was 25 years old. But Muhammed didn't get his first revelation until he was 40 years old. That means Muhammed actually had 15 years sitting around in the high society of Mecca where he had more than enough chance to hear plenty of stories about the Jews, Christians and other religions and beliefs. The entire nature of his wife's business meant Muhammed will have met rich merchants and travelers EVERYDAY! He met people from the four corners of the Middle East and beyond. That is where Muhammed heard all these stories and fables about the Jewish religion / Christian religion / plus other pagan religions and myths. Please keep in mind that maybe 98% of people in Mecca was not in Muhammed's position. That the vast majority of people in Mecca was extremely poor, illiterate and had no formal education or contact with rich merchants, traders and travelers like Muhammed did. Because of his first wife, Muhammed basically had 15 years to meet some of the richest and most powerful traders in the land, which is where he heard all these stories from other religions. Whilst the "Common Folk" of Mecca will have NOT met the richest and most powerful and educated traders. Farid makes it sound like everyone in Mecca knew every single detail of the Jewish and Christian religions, when in reality about 98% of them couldn't read or write, didn't know the language and couldn't afford to travel. The vast majority of people back then was peasants who knew hardly anything about the outside world. That is not an insult towards Saudi or Muslims! Look at my country, the UK. In the 7th century about 98% of my country couldn't read or write and had no idea about the outside world. If you believe the story then around 1885 a monkey washed ashore in the UK and the people hung it thinking it was a French spy, that is how little most people knew about the outside world. They thought a monkey was a French man! In 1546 the English writer John Heywood wrote the Moon was made of cheese and a lot of people actually believed him. Most people knew very little about the world and it was only those who moved in high society / rich society / educated society who knew more, which is exactly the circle where Muhammed spend much of his young life, thanks to his rich wife. Between the ages of 25 to 40 Muhammed essentially reminds me of a "Stoner" who simply lazed around his wife's rich business and got to meet some of the most educated and powerful people of the entire region, which is where he heard all the stories, legends and myths about other religions. Where 98% of people in Mecca was NOT hearing such things because they was peasants. Lazing around his wife's rich business was basically like Muhammed sitting in a university for 15 years and getting to hear all the rich and educated traders stories from far away lands. Muhammed will have known far more about the Jews & Christians just by sitting and listening to all the rich traders and business men who passed though his wife's business. Hence why over 70% of the Quran can be traced back to stories from the Jewish or Christian faith. This is "Logical" and exactly how the world works! To give an example, I could spend 15 years sitting and listening to Farid telling me everything he can about Islam, but in the end, Farid would still know more than me. I would then go and write a book and I would make many mistakes! I would forget details. I would make errors in interpretation. I would simply get a lot of details wrong. Farid would then look at that book and easily be able to point out all my mistakes. That is what happened with the Quran! Muhammed simply copied what he had heard, but he didn't get it all correct. He used second or even third hand knowledge from the stories rich merchants and travelers had told him. If you have 10,000 peasants who know nothing about the outside the world, but then you take 1 peasant and place him in a university where he spends 15 years listening to everything that was said. Then sure, the other 10,000 peasants will look at that 1 person like a God, like some super magical and amazing person who knows so much more than them. In my eyes, that is exactly what Muhammed did. He spent 15 years lazing around his wife's rich and powerful business and managed to hear about 10,000 times more than your average peasant did. Muhammed essentially spent 15 years hearing stories about the Jewish and Christian religions from the North and simply decided to copy it. Not sure why any Muslim would find that offensive as basically every religion on the planet was copied from somewhere! My guess is that Muhammed thought.... "Hey, those Jews and Christians in the North are praying to 1 God, whilst us in Saudi Arabi are praying to loads of different pagan Gods. Hey, its a super cool idea and a lot easier just to pray to one God! Why don't we pray to just one God like them?" Perhaps Muhammed greatest revelation was him thinking.... "Hey, we are fractured, we are praying to loads of different pagan Gods, where the Jews and Christians are just praying to 1 God and look how powerful they have become! Look how much Christianity has grown! I want some of that action! We should just pray to one God as well" Which is essentially the message Muhammed began to spread. Muslims could jump up and down saying the Quran was not copied from anywhere, when in reality every religion is copied from faiths, stories and beliefs from before that religion. The vast majority of Muhammed so called revelations simply came from stories, tales and myths he had been told about other religions, with a huge herd of peasants around him who believed every word he said because they didn't know any better. My guess is that without his rich wife thrusting him into high society Muhammed would have died as a nobody, just another poor peasant in some harsh land. How totally stupid and pathetic that Muhammed claims women are fools. That women are not as intelligent as men, when really Muhammed spent about 20 years riding on the coat tails of his rich wife who had already built one of the best businesses in Mecca before Muhammed even showed up. Muhammed was so intelligent that he couldn't even continue running his wife's business after she died and had to resort to robbing caravans to even feed himself. His first wife built a thriving business, where Muhammed could do little else but become a thief who robbed caravans to even survive. But apparently, according to Islam, its women who are the dumb ones! Without his first wife Muhammed would have been nothing!
Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP). And when there cometh unto them (Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, confirming that in their possession (2:89 MP).
Ya Farid can you help me with this confusion. Why don't we have any reports of jews saying they believed Uzair is the son of Allah? There are suggestions by scholars about what could have been the case but no reports going back any group or individual jews making this claim I think?
The quran says the word of God is preserved The word of God is what was revealed to isa The bible has the gospel of john, mark, luke, mathew, but what about the gospel of jesus? There argument falls apart right here
Qur'an says that it is the Furqan. Qur'an says Samari build the golden calf while the bible teaches that Aaron himself made it and led the Israelites astray. I mean what else do you need as proof that bible is corrupted as far as the Qur'an is concerned.
At-Taubah 9:32 يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِـُٔوا۟ نُورَ ٱللَّهِ بِأَفْوَٰهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى ٱللَّهُ إِلَّآ أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُۥ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ English - Sahih International They want to extinguish the light of Allāh with their mouths, but Allāh refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. They're literally been at war against muslims since the last 20 years for their high priest george bush jr.
"Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment." "Will they not turn to Allah in repentance and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful." "The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!" *Al-Quran, 5:73-75*
@HajjTrip2013 lol dude. You say logic, but you have no idea what that means. All Muslims I encounter say the same thing. Your theology is "illogical" not by actually studying logic or philosophy or God forbid study the doctrine of the trinity and give rational arguments why it's illogical. No none of that. All you can do is " I am dumb and I don't like your theology, therefore it's illogical"
So you say your الله has two hands, fingers, a face and a foot. But when asked does he have body parts, you say no no no he doesn't 😂. I mean if trinity is illogical then your "توحيد" is laughable
Christianity & Judaism Vs Islam: Christianity & Judaism: 1- Psalm 83:6 is removed in the Quran. 2- Jesus is Jewish. Our main guy is a Messiah who is Jewish. John 4:22 says salvation is from the Jews. 2.1- The Christian God is Jewish. When Jews reject divinity of Jesus, that's like humility: 'Oh, how could we say Yahweh is Jewish like us?' Meanwhile, gentile Christians can't be accused of narcissism for saying God is Jewish. 2.2- CHRIST IS KING/queen/monarch, regardless of Christ's identity. 3- Love your neighbour as yourself. 4- Be not afraid. (The most spoken sentence in Christian or Hebrew Bibles) 5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then that person really is dead. 6- Abraham sacrificed Isaac, not Ishmael. 7- Our people know Torah and all these Messianic prophecies. 8- Elijah means 'God is Yahweh.' 9- Gave the world the holiday of Christmas on Dec25 or Jan01. 10- Lamentations 3:30 says turn the other cheek and is removed in the Quran. 11- Our religions started in what later became the state of Israel, a great country to live in. So are the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, Poland, Belgium & Switzerland. 12 - As of 2022: Our 2 most dictatorial countries Democratic Republic of the Congo & Central African Republic are Zionist. There are only 2 anti-Zionist Christian countries, Cuba & Venezuela, both dictatorships. 13- When Americans, British, Filipinx or Israelis are attacked like on 2001Sep11 or 2023Oct07 or in Mindanao, we bring perpetrators to justice. 14- Chess: We have Bobby Fischer x Miyoko Watai, Bobby's nephew Wesley So x Carissa Yip, Vera Menchik, Boris Gelfand, Nona Gaprindashvili, Fabiano Caruana, Irina Krush, Hans Niemann, Carissa Yip, Sergey Karjakin, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Anatoly Karpov, the Polgar sisters, Ian Nepomniachtchi, Nona Gaprindashvili, MVL, the Muzychuk sisters, Vladimir Kramnik, Mogul chessboxing champion Dina Belenkaya, Levon Aronian x Arianne Caoili (and Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov & Hikaru Nakamura x Atousa, but they're cheaters). (Bonus: Add Hinduism for Vishy Anand & Buddhism for Liren Ding.) 15- 'Sabbath/Shabbat was made for man/woman. Not humans for the Sabbath.' 16- Matthew 10:37 - Jesus never said love Jesus or God MORE than your family. 17- Matthew 18:6 a fortiori means that employing child soldiers is a war crime. 18- Our top countries are the US & Israel. The US, aka the great Satan, is the leader of the free world, is the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population. Israel, aka the little Satan, is the Jewish state. Gee. Who gave our top countries these names great & little Satan? 19- We're anti-fragile. Christianity: After Jews & Romans killed Jesus, we got, respectively, Paul & Constantine. Judaism: As of 2022, Israel has never lost a war and gains territory during some wars. 20- Acts 17:11 praises Jews & Christians for questioning scripture daily. Islam: 1- Mohammed is an Ishmaelite and at 53yo did a 9yo girl. 2- Jesus is Muslim. Jesus' Messiahship pales in comparison to seal Mohammed & upcoming Mahdi. 2.1- Islam's rejection of Jesus' divinity is more like 'God is Jewish? No way. Allah is Arab! Mohammed is de facto deified s.t. the Muslim God is gentile Arab. This won't be narcissistic if we spread Islam outside the Arab world.' Lol. 2.2- Sahih al-Bukhari 7137 says that you obey Mohammed if and only if you obey God. MOHAMMED IS (not - wink wink - GOD BUT) KING. 3- Muslims don't know Quran 5:51 and so wonder why Christians support Jews/Israel over Muslims/Palestine/Arab world. Lol. 4- Be afraid. (The most implied sentence in Islam) 5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then it's possible that Allah will use this person to start 2 false religions. (Judaism = Jesus is not Messiah. Christianity = Jesus is God.) 6- Quran denies Genesis 16:12 after THREE millennia (2400 BC to 600 AD). 7- Mohammed can't read and at 53yo did a 9yo girl. 8- Mohammed thought God's name is Allah because of the Aramaic 'Eli' and at 53yo did a 9yo girl. 9- Gave the world the holidays of 2001Sep11 & 2023Oct07. 10- Islamic Breaking Bad: 'A Jew/Christian opens their door and turns the other cheek and you think that of me? I am the one who slaps!' 11- Saudi Arabia is... Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Norway, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon are... 12- As of 2022: We have only 3 democracies. Indonesia & Malaysia are the only 2 anti-Zionist democracies and they just so happen to be Muslim. (3rd is Albania, the only Zionist Muslim democracy.) There are only 3 anti-Zionist non-Muslim countries (Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea), all dictatorships. 13- Who are Kurds, Uyghur's or Rohingya's? 14- We have Alireza Firouzja...oh left for France. We have Teimour Radjabov, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov & Nodirbek Abdusattorov ... oh wait those 3 are probably Jewish since FSU. (But ok fine Bassem Amin, the only supergrandmaster medical doctor & Randa Seder are impressive.) 15- Praying 5x a day is a whole hour. It's like going to church everyday. 16- Sahih al-Bukhari 15 : Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, yet we're supposed to love Mohammed MORE than our family. WE MUST LOVE MOHAMMED MORE THAN ALLAH. Golda Meir: 17- Hamas does this, but Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, so I guess Muslims don't consider 9yo as children. 18- Indonesia is the top in Muslim population and is luckily a democracy because Indonesia is also the top in ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity (or Judaism). Lol! 19- Islam is very fragile. Islam might be the fastest growing in believers (Muslims) but is also the fastest in apostates (ex-Muslims) even despite apostasy laws. Lol. Additionally, Mohammed was poisoned by the prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith (peace be upon her), a Jewish woman w/ a lamb. This represents 3 enemies of Islam/Jihadism/Arab world: A. Christianity/democracy/the US, the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population (But actually depending on your definition of Jew, the US may be considered the top in Jewish population!) aka the great Satan (lamb) B. Judaism/Zionism/Israel, the Jewish state aka the little Satan (Jewish) C. Feminism (woman) D. Me (I was told I'm the 4th enemy. Lol.) I got this idea from David Wood & Apostate Prophet - peace be upon h. Someone compared this to how Jesus saved a Jewish woman from stoning. So similarly, I thought of how this represents 2 allies of Christianity/democracy/the US: A. Judaism/Zionism/Israel (Jewish) B. Feminism (woman) And 1 enemy of Christianity: C. Islam/Jihadism/Arab world (re stoning) Now as for Zaynab: Islam never gained allies from Christianity, Judaism or feminism the way Christianity gained from Romans & Judaism. 20- Quran 5:101 says Allah hates questions. Lol. (Ok I'm taking out of context. But come on. You know Gasai what I mean.) --- Also - Judaism inspired the foundation of the US. ( see UB-i-UPJAtY ) - Christianity inspires the continuation/sustenance of the US/west/democracy. - Islam will inspire the end of the US/west/democracy. Reminds me of - The 1st generation makes/starts the business. - The 2nd generation maintains/improves it. - The 3rd spends it. - The 4th wastes it.
And unto thee [O Prophet] have We vouchsafed this divine writ, setting forth the truth, confirming the truth of WHATEVER THERE STILL REMAINS OF EARLIER REVELATION AND DETERMINING WHAT IS TRUE THEREIN. Judge, then, between the followers of earlier revelation in accordance with what God has bestowed from on high,65 and do not follow their errant views, forsaking the truth that has come unto thee. Unto every one of you have We appointed a [different] law and way of life.66 And if God had so willed, He could surely have made you all one single community: but [He willed it otherwise] in order to test you by means of what He has vouchsafed unto, you. Vie, then, with one another in doing good works! Unto God you all must return; and then He will make you truly understand all that on which you were wont to differ. (Quran 5:48)
Quran has already made it very clear that when it mentions Torah and Injeel, it refers to the revelations given directly to Prophet Musa AS (Moses) and Prophet Isa AS (Jesus) respectively.
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Christianity & Judaism Vs Islam:
Christianity & Judaism:
1- Psalm 83:6 is removed in the Quran.
2- Jesus is Jewish. Our main guy is a Messiah who is Jewish. John 4:22 says salvation is from the Jews.
2.1- The Christian God is Jewish. When Jews reject divinity of Jesus, that's like humility: 'Oh, how could we say Yahweh is Jewish like us?' Meanwhile, gentile Christians can't be accused of narcissism for saying God is Jewish.
2.2- CHRIST IS KING/queen/monarch, regardless of Christ's identity.
3- Love your neighbour as yourself.
4- Be not afraid. (The most spoken sentence in Christian or Hebrew Bibles)
5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then that person really is dead.
6- Abraham sacrificed Isaac, not Ishmael.
7- Our people know Torah and all these Messianic prophecies.
8- Elijah means 'God is Yahweh.'
9- Gave the world the holiday of Christmas on Dec25 or Jan01.
10- Lamentations 3:30 says turn the other cheek and is removed in the Quran.
11- Our religions started in what later became the state of Israel, a great country to live in. So are the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, Poland, Belgium & Switzerland.
12 - As of 2022: Our 2 most dictatorial countries Democratic Republic of the Congo & Central African Republic are Zionist. There are only 2 anti-Zionist Christian countries, Cuba & Venezuela, both dictatorships.
13- When Americans, British, Filipinx or Israelis are attacked like on 2001Sep11 or 2023Oct07 or in Mindanao, we bring perpetrators to justice.
14- Chess: We have Bobby Fischer x Miyoko Watai, Bobby's nephew Wesley So x Carissa Yip, Vera Menchik, Boris Gelfand, Nona Gaprindashvili, Fabiano Caruana, Irina Krush, Hans Niemann, Carissa Yip, Sergey Karjakin, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Anatoly Karpov, the Polgar sisters, Ian Nepomniachtchi, Nona Gaprindashvili, MVL, the Muzychuk sisters, Vladimir Kramnik, Mogul chessboxing champion Dina Belenkaya, Levon Aronian x Arianne Caoili (and Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov & Hikaru Nakamura x Atousa, but they're cheaters). (Bonus: Add Hinduism for Vishy Anand & Buddhism for Liren Ding.)
15- 'Sabbath/Shabbat was made for man/woman. Not humans for the Sabbath.'
16- Matthew 10:37 - Jesus never said love Jesus or God MORE than your family.
17- Matthew 18:6 a fortiori means that employing child soldiers is a war crime.
18- Our top countries are the US & Israel. The US, aka the great Satan, is the leader of the free world, is the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population. Israel, aka the little Satan, is the Jewish state. Gee. Who gave our top countries these names great & little Satan?
19- We're anti-fragile. Christianity: After Jews & Romans killed Jesus, we got, respectively, Paul & Constantine. Judaism: As of 2022, Israel has never lost a war and gains territory during some wars.
20- Acts 17:11 praises Jews & Christians for questioning scripture daily.
Islam:
1- Mohammed is an Ishmaelite and at 53yo did a 9yo girl.
2- Jesus is Muslim. Jesus' Messiahship pales in comparison to seal Mohammed & upcoming Mahdi.
2.1- Islam's rejection of Jesus' divinity is more like 'God is Jewish? No way. Allah is Arab! Mohammed is de facto deified s.t. the Muslim God is gentile Arab. This won't be narcissistic if we spread Islam outside the Arab world.' Lol.
2.2- Sahih al-Bukhari 7137 says that you obey Mohammed if and only if you obey God. MOHAMMED IS (not - wink wink - GOD BUT) KING.
3- Muslims don't know Quran 5:51 and so wonder why Christians support Jews/Israel over Muslims/Palestine/Arab world. Lol.
4- Be afraid. (The most implied sentence in Islam)
5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then it's possible that Allah will use this person to start 2 false religions. (Judaism = Jesus is not Messiah. Christianity = Jesus is God.)
6- Quran denies Genesis 16:12 after THREE millennia (2400 BC to 600 AD).
7- Mohammed can't read and at 53yo did a 9yo girl.
8- Mohammed thought God's name is Allah because of the Aramaic 'Eli' and at 53yo did a 9yo girl.
9- Gave the world the holidays of 2001Sep11 & 2023Oct07.
10- Islamic Breaking Bad: 'A Jew/Christian opens their door and turns the other cheek and you think that of me? I am the one who slaps!'
11- Saudi Arabia is... Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Norway, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon are...
12- As of 2022: We have only 3 democracies. Indonesia & Malaysia are the only 2 anti-Zionist democracies and they just so happen to be Muslim. (3rd is Albania, the only Zionist Muslim democracy.) There are only 3 anti-Zionist non-Muslim countries (Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea), all dictatorships.
13- Who are Kurds, Uyghur's or Rohingya's?
14- We have Alireza Firouzja...oh left for France. We have Teimour Radjabov, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov & Nodirbek Abdusattorov ... oh wait those 3 are probably Jewish since FSU. (But ok fine Bassem Amin, the only supergrandmaster medical doctor & Randa Seder are impressive.)
15- Praying 5x a day is a whole hour. It's like going to church everyday.
16- Sahih al-Bukhari 15 : Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, yet we're supposed to love Mohammed MORE than our family. WE MUST LOVE MOHAMMED MORE THAN ALLAH. Golda Meir:
17- Hamas does this, but Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, so I guess Muslims don't consider 9yo as children.
18- Indonesia is the top in Muslim population and is luckily a democracy because Indonesia is also the top in ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity (or Judaism). Lol!
19- Islam is very fragile. Islam might be the fastest growing in believers (Muslims) but is also the fastest in apostates (ex-Muslims) even despite apostasy laws. Lol. Additionally, Mohammed was poisoned by the prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith (peace be upon her), a Jewish woman w/ a lamb. This represents 3 enemies of Islam/Jihadism/Arab world:
A. Christianity/democracy/the US, the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population (But actually depending on your definition of Jew, the US may be considered the top in Jewish population!) aka the great Satan (lamb)
B. Judaism/Zionism/Israel, the Jewish state aka the little Satan (Jewish)
C. Feminism (woman)
D. Me (I was told I'm the 4th enemy. Lol.)
I got this idea from David Wood & Apostate Prophet - peace be upon h.
Someone compared this to how Jesus saved a Jewish woman from stoning. So similarly, I thought of how this represents 2 allies of Christianity/democracy/the US:
A. Judaism/Zionism/Israel (Jewish)
B. Feminism (woman)
And 1 enemy of Christianity:
C. Islam/Jihadism/Arab world (re stoning)
Now as for Zaynab: Islam never gained allies from Christianity, Judaism or feminism the way Christianity gained from Romans & Judaism.
20- Quran 5:101 says Allah hates questions. Lol. (Ok I'm taking out of context. But come on. You know Gasai what I mean.)
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Also
- Judaism inspired the foundation of the US. ( see UB-i-UPJAtY )
- Christianity inspires the continuation/sustenance of the US/west/democracy.
- Islam will inspire the end of the US/west/democracy.
Reminds me of
- The 1st generation makes/starts the business.
- The 2nd generation maintains/improves it.
- The 3rd spends it.
- The 4th wastes it.
2nd: 0- How do you know Gasai about corruption or Gospel or Torah given there's no such verse outright explicitly in the Quran as David Wood & Apostate Prophet PBUH say?
1- How do you explain Nikah halala? Aisha? Maria the copt? Human shields? 72 houris?
2
As of 2022:
- The 2 most democratic Muslim countries, Malaysia & Indonesia, is anti-Zionist. The only 2 anti-Zionist democracies are precisely those 2, and then they're both Muslim.
- The 2 most dictatorial Christian countries, CAR & DCR, are Zionist.
- There are only 3 anti-Zionist non-Muslim countries, namely Cuba, Venezuela & North Korea. While 2 are unfortunately Christian, they're the only 2 Christian anti-Zionist countries, and then they're both dictatorships.
What does this mean?
3
Why are Christian/Jewish/Hindu countries generally more democratic and better to live in than Muslim countries?
4
Why's most terrorism today from Islam?
5
There are stories of abused ex-Muslim women saved by Christianity/Judaism. Where are the stories of abused ex-Christian/ex-Jewish women saved by Islam? LOL.
6
Chess: Why do Jewish, Hindu & Christian players do better than Muslim players?
7a
Mohammed lived in 600 AD, was no scholar, had many wives & slaves, claimed to know better than Paul & Matthew who actually knew Jesus & Peter while Paul & Jesus died as martyrs living in poverty.
7b
Jesus saved a Jewish woman from stoning. This represents 2 allies of Christianity/democracy/the US, the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population (But actually depending on your definition of Jew, the US may be considered the top in Jewish population!) aka the great Satan:
1- Judaism/Zionism/Israel, the Jewish state aka the little Satan (Jewish)
2- Feminism (woman)
And 1 enemy of Christianity
3- Islam/Jihadism/Arab world (stoning)
Mohammed was poisoned/murdered/killed/assassinated by the prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith (peace be upon her), a Jewish woman w/ a lamb. This represents 3 enemies of Islam/Jihadism/Arab world:
1- Christianity/democracy/the US (lamb)
2- Judaism/Zionism/Israel (Jewish)
3- Feminism (woman)
Coincidence? Prophecy?
8
Muslims say Jesus preached Islam and then the message was corrupted by Paul, Constantine & Council of Nicaea. Why can't Christians say Mohammed preached Christianity and then the message was corrupted by Uthman?
9
Why do non-Muslims agree the world is better off if each Muslim converted to other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism? (Maybe not Buddhism because of China & Myanmar. Lol.) Or at least is better as compared to if all Christians converted to Islam?
10
Re Quran 4:157
10a
Sheikh Imran Hosein says Jesus wasn't crucified in the sense of not dying in the sense that Jesus' soul & body were separated but only temporarily. Why can't this be? (oYYmAQxjaQc)
10b
What was the point of the crucifixion illusion which created 2 false religions (Judaism = Jesus not Messiah & Christianity = Jesus is God) ? (Y7E_tW2HXfk)
10c
Why don't Quran 3:169 & Quran 8:17 suggest a different reading as David Wood says? (fMe9tCCs2h8)
11
How come after Jesus said turn the other cheek (Lamentations 3:30), love your enemies, no divorce, no employing children to do evil (Matthew 18:6) no stoning unless sinless (John 8:7), Mohammed seemingly threw all these away?
12
What does Messiah even mean?
13
What is the point of messiahship, virgin birth and then either death & resurrection or crucifixion illusion of Jesus? And even the title Word of God?
14
Sahih al-Bukhari 7137 says that you obey Mohammed if and only if you obey Allah. MOHAMMED IS ALLAH?! HAHAHAHA
15
Sahih al-Bukhari 15 : We're supposed to love Mohammed MORE than our family. WE MUST LOVE MOHAMMED MORE THAN ALLAH. How did Mohammed supersede Jesus in Matthew 10:37 where Jesus never said to love Jesus more than family?
16
Indonesia is the top in Muslim population and is luckily a democracy because Indonesia is also the top in ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity (or Judaism). So without apostasy laws and stuff and with more democracy, Muslims will convert to Christianity (or Judaism)? LOL.
17
Most importantly why don't you use your real name and face?
I disagree Mr. Farid, there are a lot more dumber arguments.
@FARID Last prophet Muhammad and ZAYD IBN THABIT took laws from the Tawrat, the portion where Allah speaks to MUSA. Like the Law for ADULTERY, CIRCUMCISION and Not shave the side of head and beard etc..
Last prophet Muhammad and ZAYD IBN THABIT """"""didnt"""""""" take anything from the Roman Pagan Bible or Gospels authored by Romans and GREEKS, because GOD is not speaking to ISA in Bible.
Both Muhammad and ZAYD ibn THABIT OBEYED the QURAN 5 48 verse and JUDGED by the TAWRAT, acorrding to the condtion that the QURAN has Guardian over the TAWRAT.
DAVID wood is a ROMAN PAGAN following the RELIGION of PAGAN MAN-GOD ZEUS.
the fact that this argument is still entertained hurts my brain bro...
Yeah. I had two Christians replying to me on Reddit a few days ago using that same embarrassing argument, because I said their religion is full of pathological liars.
Almost all their arguments against islam have been refuted so they result to non arguments or claim that iah is Lah because they can’t read English (their first language) and then say al-lah and think that they are saying something worth arguing about
@@tigerblade4Arab Christians 😂😂😂
@@tigerblade4yes I've been seeing bunch of them writting al-Lah lately, where are they getting these nonsensicales terms from? Lmao
@@tigerblade4ive seen people claim that allah azzawajal is al-lat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Islam is false, therefore every argument against it is true" is the best psychoanalysis of them I've heard
@JanSzafranski what are you on about? Doesn't even make sense. Which muslim makes the argument that "ALL evidence against it MUST be corrupted"? It's not our problem that you take the word of anonymous authors, who never met jesus and whose words were documented 100s years after the events they proclaim to record. That's 3 layers of ambiguity u depend on for ur salvation and expect us to accept as the basis of ur polemics. "Okeeee"
@@jawaadshahid
The person @JanSzafranski has nothing much to say against Islam.
Like the Christians, he only knows to "parrot" someone else's words.
@@JanSzafranskiwell this is a christian position too 😂
We have multiple ways to verify the authenticity. Seems like you have no clue about muslims and islam.
Opposed to that the christians position is just believe despite having countless contradictions and no preservation. ?
@@JanSzafranski im in the wrong and ignorant because I dont support your opinion ? Yeah this is christian logics in full display.
@@JanSzafranski you said "try opening your eyes and checking if what is true" go on tell me how im missrepresenting 😂
this is Doglogics strongest argument btw people...
I like the name Doglogics 👍🏻
@@mikemalzahn It’s Al-Khidr actually 🤦♂️
@@mikemalzahn You know why keep seething lol
@@mikemalzahn It was a test from Allah. If a prophet hears something from Him he must assume it is good even if it may be seen as evil (like Abraham being ordered to sacrifice his son, only for him to be spared and succeed the test). Allah commanded him to do it then later told him the reason was that the boy would grow up to be a tyrant who would oppress his parents.
You mean Dog-illogic?
It really does demonstrate the level of their apologists if this is their best argument.
@@mikemalzahn Why the needed to know? To talk to them?
@user-on8jx3qr8w are u really using a MAJOR sign of the hour as an argument 😐
Like why would someone endanger his religion by making huge claims about the hour, that would destroy his religion as soon as one comes the opposite ?
@@mikemalzahn
Bro sorry but that is the most bizzar and weird argument I’ve ever heard. Like Bro……. This is a major sign, actually one of the big signs of the endtimes. To use the current non presence of Gog and Magog as an argument against Islam is…..stupid. A better argument against Islam would be the past not the future. For example the claims of the Quran about the time of prophet joseph, wich are all true by the way, the Quran knew it before the Europeans came to discover that information.
In conclusion I get yourself some better argument or you will embarrass yourself. Like…..bro.
@@thecrow6388 Why did you repeat the same stuff all over the place?
@@JanSzafranski >>>>Careful... that's what I said and then suffered the wrath of his followers
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Unfortunately for gentiles like you whom Jesus himself called dogs, swine and are not fit to get the pearls from his hand
many of the Muslims' rebuttal made you go silent totally.
Or you will repeat the stuff again all over the place.
Only after watching 18 seconds, I instantly realised how accurate the title was. It seems they will try to get any arguement against Islam!
Except, he never refuses the actual argument.
A. The Quran testifies to the authority of the Torah and Gospel. Surah 3:3-4
B. The Quran testifies that with Allah’s help the true followers of Jesus become dominant. Surah 61:14
C. The believers who became dominant were the Catholic church.
D. The Catholic church, the Torah, and Gospel directly contradict the Quran in teachings and in the telling of stories in Scripture.
Conclusion: the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they are not in line with what they claim came before it OR the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they claim to come after the Torah and Gospel when the Quran should be claiming to be distinct and different from anything that came before it.
@@bigideasthescholar This argument has been proven wrong. I advise to watch Daniel's video on this subject, he explains it well!
@@redalert3727 link?
Also, are you talking about the same guy who defends pedophilia?
@@bigideasthescholar I don't think links can be sent here. Search up "Daniel Haqiqatjou and Sam Shamoun." Its the video that has a clown on the thumbnail, you can't miss it.
@@redalert3727 He already knows that, he is just spamming it everywhere in the comments section. Report him for spam.
As Brandolini's law states: The amount of energy needed to refute nonsense is an order of magnitude greater than to produce it.
That’s why it’s taking a while to take down Islam.
@@bigideasthescholar it's gonna take forever because it'll never happen
@@ahmedsalek976 ooo… good one 😂😂
"The Dumbest Argument against Islam EVER!"
Which one? Do you mean all of them?
this is a good comment
To everyone in this comment: don't reply to the spamming troll, report him instead. He is just here to waste our time.
What happens when you are not confronted by a straw man?
A. The Quran testifies to the authority of the Torah and Gospel. Surah 3:3-4
B. The Quran testifies that with Allah’s help the true followers of Jesus become dominant. Surah 61:14
C. The believers who became dominant were the Catholic church.
D. The Catholic church, the Torah, and Gospel directly contradict the Quran in teachings and in the telling of stories in Scripture.
Conclusion: the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they are not in line with what they claim came before it OR the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they claim to come after the Torah and Gospel when the Quran should be claiming to be distinct and different from anything that came before it.
@@bigideasthescholar stop spamming
@@Bazzemboi quit whining
If Christians reject the Quran, why does it matter if the Quran “affirms” the Bible?
To them it means their Bible is valid.
So the Christian claims are true.
Unfortunately for them, the Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
It's a common trope among the intellectually bankrupt Christian polemics to attack Islam first before explaining what Christianity says about reality and what not. They literally cannot let their own "religion" speak for itself. They need Islam to exist so that they can use it as a starting point for their self-refuting and idiotic arguments whenever they want to tear anything down. And that's the thing with these people. They're useless. They don't build anything, they only know how to attack, critique and tear down ideas. But I'm not saying that they're actually successful in that, they couldn't be further from it if we're being honest.
Why it matters? Because Muhammad is lying in your (Muslims) face. And Christians are simply exposing the lies found in Quran to muslims because most Muslims are ignorant and have not read the Bible themselves to see.
@@NCSiebertdesign >>>> Because Muhammad is lying
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None of you prove it yet.
The fact is the Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scripturres.
Bible has too many errors, discrepancies, inconsistencies, contradictions. These are all signs of lies.
@@NCSiebertdesignPaul your master and father openly admitted to lying in 1 Corinthians 9 20-23 so you follow a known liar and deceiver
The fact thats the STRONGEST argument against Islam according to David and GodLogic makes me more firm in my faith
@@JanSzafranskiNever mind the Quran it's above your comprehension skills, Paul the Roman pagan self appointed false apostle of Satan who met him on the road to Damascus and he told a contradicting account of meeting Jesus instead then went to write 70% of the New testament contradicting all Jesus's teachings and his disciples.
@@JanSzafranski No , we won't allow you to interpret our Quran the way you want pualithiests The Roman empire created Christianity after corrupting the real message of Essa son of Mariam ﷺ which was Islam to control the people,
Therefore,Is Mark Mathew Luke and John called Injeel or is it called the bible or new testament was ? Was written in the Aramaic language or is it written in Koine Greek? was Jesus holding the gospels of Mark Mathew Luke and John and Paul's letters in his hands preaching from them ? 😂
wake up from your delusions buddy the gossips were named way later in history ,You have thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament - at last count, somewhere around 5600 manuscripts in Greek alone (that includes everything from small fragments the size of a credit card with just a few letters written on them to massive volumes with the entire New Testament from beginning to end). Over 94% of these manuscripts come to you from after the ninth Christian century - so 800 years or more after the books of the New Testament were first written and placed in circulation. But some of them are early - with fragments going back to the second century and most complete full manuscript (Codex sinaticus) going back to the fourth century, So in reality you have 0 % manuscript from the first 125 years at least .
@@JanSzafranskiThen I'm sorry for you. Farid already refuted them
@@JanSzafranskiThen I'm sorry for you. Farid already refuted them
@@JanSzafranski Did you watch Farid respond to the three christian apologist?
1400 years ago, there was Abu Lahab. I am not surprised by people like Al Fadi.
Do you mean Abu Lahab the same guy Allah chose to insult specifically in the Qur'an. Since when the creator of the universe lowers himself at the point of insulting one man. Pathetic.
@@alditrajaWhat exactly is pathetic about this? Is Allah (s.w.t) pathetic for calling Muhammad, may peace be upon him, "habibullah", which means "beloved of God"? It looks like the creator of the universe lowered himself to the point of loving one man. You see what I did there? -you probably didn't-
Your objection is the only thing that is pathetic and the fact that some 35+ year old something French guy actually took his time to expose his own idiocy for everyone to shame you for. Now THAT is pathetic. Get lost.
@@alditraja Since when does the Creator of the universe lower himself to becoming a man born from a woman's private part, need to eat drink and defecate and then allow himself to be killed on a cross by ancient Romans as a penance for mankind's sins when He could've just forgiven them without debasing himself in such a manner? Pathetic.
@@alditraja
Insults? You mean warn. Allah can warn individual people if He wishes.
The guy who says he knows Arabic still translate it as "word of God" 🤦🏾♀
They twist the scripture just like their forefathers
@@ryuzaki5491 Twist but NOT corrupt it by writing.
And do you really believe the Creator would allow creatures to alter his revelation? Are you really claiming the Creator couldn't stop this?
@@lesliewilliam3777 It refuses to be words of the Creator after they are changed. He allowed it because He gave the freedom of choice to humans.
I'm glad you agree that Jews and Christians twist the scripture.
@@ryuzaki5491 1. "It refuses to be words of the Creator after they are changed."
Response: Thank you for agreeing with me that YOUR "god" was incapable of preserving his own revelation.
My point still remains: If such a "god" is so feckless that he can't/won't protect his own revelation, how can "he" control and protect the entire universe?
2. "He allowed it because He gave the freedom of choice to humans."
Response: So human choice overrules your "god's" sovereignty? That makes humans more powerful than your "god" which, thinking logically, ain't much of a god at all.
3. "I'm glad you agree that Jews and Christians twist the scripture."
Response: No, neither Islam nor I say that. Islam says only Jews committed tahrif-i-manawi, not tahrif-i-lafzi. It makes no comment against Christians.
@@lesliewilliam3777 what kind of point is that, if God didn't want to preserve it how does that make him less Mighty, it is not that He wasn't able to, He didn't want, let me ask you this question, why didn't your "God, Jesus if you are Christian" save himself from humans, wow, that makes him less powerful than humans, omg
They are just jealous that people enter Islam while they force themselves to follow a dude who calls God a moron and ascribes weakness to Him (1 Cor 1:25) and who calls Jesus a curse (Gal 3: 13)...
I'm a serious scholar, I'm not a schoolboy! And I don't give 2 peanuts about who disagrees with me, I don't give 2 peanuts for them!
Bro that was too much against christianity..... i like it😂😂❤
We're coming to a time were Prophet Muhammed PBUH told us that a time will come were holding ur Islam is like holding holding an ember with fire, may Allah firm our hearts
Never mind the Quran it's above your comprehension skills, Paul the Roman pagan self appointed false apostle of Satan who met him on the road to Damascus and he told a contradicting account of meeting Jesus instead then went to write 70% of the New testament contradicting all Jesus's teachings and his disciples.@@JanSzafranski
@@thecrow6388 *_:o_*
@@thecrow6388 "Do you ˹believers still˺ expect them to be true to you, though a group of them would hear the word of Allah then *_knowingly corrupt_* it after understanding it?" Q2:75
Our masjid this past Friday, 7/12, was ambushed by David Wood, hatun tash, usama Dakdok, Mary Harb, The apostate prophet and others. We did not recognize who they were when they came unannounced in search of dawah, or so they said at the very beginning.
We have come to find out that at least with a southern poverty line they've deemed Dakdok and his group a hate group. It was surreal sitting next to a bunch of racists and not knowing who they were. It was even far more surreal that they chose our masjid, which is in the bad parts of town.
A bunch of white Christians wanted to start a fight with black Muslims on Friday. That's messed up.
What masjid akhi?
Allah curse them
Was October 7 messed up as well?
@@bigideasthescholar How did October 7 get into this? XD
@@redalert3727 just wanted to make sure that when “starting a fight with Muslims” is “messed up” that October 7th is also messed up.
Oh poor them, how defeated they sound..!
They using insults now lol
The very next verse literally says the Quran is the authority over the previous scriptures 😂
your old vids are finally back Alhamdulillah, I remember checking a while back and they were all gone 😔
I'm glad that this is their best argument
No, it's probably the character of your "prophet".
@@lesliewilliam3777 like what?
@lesliewilliam3777 yeah start with Aisha argument and slaves, we judge a religion by its concept of gender and slavery, it's 2024
@@matthummel8306 Like how he stole, committed adultery, had sex with a child, murdered his enemies...these are the best arguments against Islam.
Who in their right mind can't see that a man doing these acts can't be a prophet of God?
Oh yeh, I forgot: Your "god" said he could do these things. Simple.
@@omw-1425 I did but YT removed it...or some Muslim rated me out to them.
Alhamdu'lillah! Brother for your well appreciated work to protect the deen's truth. May Allah continue to guide and bless you. Ameen.
wish they do that much research on their own book, they will leave christianity in a day
So you've read the Bible?
@@blingcicero6570 the Quran
@@blingcicero6570 quran
@@blingcicero6570 "boble has errors."
Like your spelling errors?
@@blingcicero6570 and thus you are making same mistake as david wood and rest of his friend cronies 😅
Just because there is haman in bible (I assume THIS IS THE PLACE YOU REFRENCE) doesnt mean haman in pharaoh era according to quran is wrong. After all we did find record there is title haman in pharaoh era from rosetta stone which mean similiar to quartermaster or master of builders
NT affirms OT. OT never approves trinity. Christian dillemma.
Seems like you've never read all the Bible. Your argument might be taken more respectfully if you had.
@@lesliewilliam3777 it seams you never read torah and Jews books who consider christian pagan
@@lesliewilliam3777there is no Trinity in old testament. Retconning scripture is blasphemy
@@lesliewilliam3777
The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
@@rajababy2009 Clearly you are severely under-educated. As all Jews and Christians know, Torah forms the first 5 books of ALL Bibles that have ever existed. Always have, always will be. You can't miss Torah.
Just when I thought I knew just how dumb someone can be and then along comes you.
That "quibble" aside, if no Trinity in the OT, explain this from the very beginning of Torah: "And [Adam and Eve] heard the sound of YHWH God walking in the garden" (Genesis 3). Who was walking in the garden?
And aghain from Torah, this: "Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel." (Exodus 24). Whom did Moses et al see?
They always have the same arguments. It's so redundant and old.
The level of desperation is astounding
Not to mention belief in the earlier scriptures require belief in the Qur'ān
According to what?
@@bigideasthescholar
You made some points under a specific reply thread. This is a refutation of it:
A) It literally says nothing about the authority of Torah and the gospel. Verse 3 says that the Quran was sent down confirming what came before it. In order to confirm something, one must be in line with what it is confirming. The early Muslims knew the text the Christians and Jews had, and if it was the Bible you have today. How did they deal with the Bible CLEARLY being different (like Moses' leprous hand) from what the Quran was saying? The Quran confirming the Bible proves that the Bible is not the previous revelation. If the Quran 'confirms' what came before it, what came before it has to be in line with it. Quran elsewhere says that the crucifixion is a conjecture, and the NT teaches the crucifixion, hence the Quran doesn't confirm the New Testament. An evidence of this can be seen from what the early Muslims were doing. We see in a few hadiths that the Jewish texts were very much similar to the Quranic texts, hence the Quran CONFIRMS the previous revelations.
- They said, "In the Torah, we find that if four men testify that they saw his male organ in her womb, similar to when the eyeliner is inserted inside the eyeliner container; in this case they are stoned."
(Al-Munzhiri declared this narration to be authentic in Al-Targheeb Wal-Tarheeb, Volume 3, p. 188)
B) Okay? So? You know that we have NOTHING from the other stream that disagreed with Paul? We only have Acts which was written by an unknown follower of Paul which we can't even prove was an eyewitness. Allah made them more dominant than the liars, what do you mean by dominance? Dominance doesn't mean that one side will be in power and one won't. There have been people who were believers, but were slaves, powerless, yet Allah still promised them dominance. Dominance has nothing to do with popularity, power etc.
C) The same thing I addressed. If this is what the Quran really meant, you're basically saying the author of the Quran and the early Muslims believed that the Catholic Church was also divinely inspired. Which is bogus and has no evidence. Instead, the Catholic Church which teaches the Trinity was attacked by the Quran (The belief that God is the third of three, which would mean ANY form of Trinity).
D) This is why the Quran doesn't say "The texts that is with the Christians and the Jews is the very word of God Allah sent" but rather that the Quran confirms the torah and Injeel. The Quran cannot confirm something that doesn't align with it. The same New Testament (Injeel, in your perception) that the Quran confirms contains explicit teaching of crucifixion, something which the Quran says is a conjecture.
Conclusion: The author of the Quran never says anything about any Bible. But Torah and Injeel, the Torah and Injeel were the true revelations sent by Allah. Your Bible has a saying of mustard seed from Jesus, which the Quran says was sent by Allah, hence that is the Injeel. The Quran is the criterion, it is an attribute of the Quran known as "Al Furqan". As 5:48 speaks about the Quran being the criterion, and that make sense. If the Quran is the criterion, it is to be used as the criteria in distinguishing what comes from Allah and what doesn't. This is how the Quran confirms what came before it. If the Quran says that God exists, but the Bible says that God doesn't exist, how can the Quran CONFIRM the Bible? Despite the author of the Quran clearly knowing what was in the Bible (Moses' leprous hand being refuted in the Quran as the Quran says it is "unblemished" is intentional).
The intro hit at the perfect time 😂
I think the slide at the end really helps.
You can't both claim something is preserved and authoritative and then preach a bunch of stuff that conflicts from that something and supposedly nobody realized this until some scholar mentions it 400 years later. You can't say something should be followed and is salvation then on another hand repeatedly say things that imply those people following it over the Quran are not saved and it should not be followed over the Quran.
There are several reasons why so many terrible arguments come from the Christians. One is that they treat the Quran like how they treat their Bible, making up whatever interpretation regardless of how conflicting and speculative it is and regardless of having virtually no qualifications nor any authority to do so.
@@thecrow6388the quran literally says the quran is authoritative over past Scriptures in 5:48
The quran also mentions corruption with both written & interpretation forms
With the hadith being more explicit
With ibn Abbas for example
YOU are the one requires to give valid evidence which doesn't conflict with basic evidence in our texts (twisting the meaning of our texts doesn't prove ur point, which is what the whole Islamic dilemma nonsense is)
The Islamic dilemma is literally just Christians reinterpretation of Islamic texts & complaining why it doesn't make sense
U don't get to create an imaginary argument
@@M7md-3la2 This person @thecrow6388 is spamming all over the place despite many have responded with valid answer.
@@thecrow6388 1. Confirming the origin is from God isn't claiming it isn't adulterated
2. It literally says it is an authority & criterion of past Scripture
Which means what disagrees with the quran isn't an authority
3. Over a millenia of scholarship will never be replaced by some random dudes embarrassing ignorance of a faith he didn't study
4. Since u mention picking & choosing address the clear things that contradict unequivocally ur claims
5. More evidence is the quran mentioning Biblical narratives & correcting (ie the bible isnt correct so it isn't from God fully bcz it is corrupted as factually proven by empirical evidence of scholarship)
Like the quran mentioning
1. Solomon disbelieving & denying it
2. God being tired & denying it
3. Moses hand coming out white without disease instead of white with leprosy
4. Samiri building the calf instead of Aaron & so on
U can't just intentionally disapprove of something while agreeing it is fully from God
We have quran hadith & centuries of scholarship on our side
You have picking & choosing ur own biased interpretation of our texts & bunch of bigoted anti muslim christian missionaries who made up the non existing problem
We are not the same
@@M7md-3la2 👍👍👍👍👍👍
He still will never learn.
"islam is false because otherwise my patreon is zero"
Looool this is actually the reality
@@JanSzafranski farid has a patreon?
@@JanSzafranski >>> plenty of other dawaists definately keep asking for monies
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The same applies to the Christian sides.
@JanSzafranski obviously within the context of the video the first comment is addressing the Christians in the video
@JanSzafranski there is a key difference between the majority of Christians and Muslim YTers who do have patreons etc (e.g. muslim lantern) is that their content preaches islam while most of thr Christians profit off hating Islam
Chris has invited you on his channel for a discussion, will you have it?
Is it worth to spend time with him?
Are Chris' arguments still valid?
Perhaps you might want to give an example of his argument that convinced you of his worthiness.
@@letmetalk2240sounds like your covering for your boy because you know he loses this arguement.
@@Grae2079
Are you so desperate?
What is the argument made by Chris?
Bring it here, can you?
I can easily point out the error made by chris.
@@letmetalk2240 he’s got a video up right now. Go do it and get back to me.
@@Grae2079 I am not keen to watch stupidity of a person.
You prove to me his worth here.
Otherwise, don't bother quote his name.
Hey farid I used to be a Shia now I’m Sunni can you please make a video on Sunni ashura and Shia ashura and were they both came from please
I think the dumbest way to resolve the islamic dilemma is what you said about some jewish man converting to islam at the time of Muhammad. That doesn't mean anything, especially since we cannot confirm if these people were fictional or true.
There is no dilemma nor was that Farids refutation nor do you have any authority to question who is fiction and who isn't. Sad behavior tbh The Bible is corrupted and no Muslim is needed to prove that. You know this hence why you're desperately trying to convice us that that's not the case by trying to use the Quran....i mean wow
@@thecrow6388 Farid already have his refution, but the most ridiculous thing here is that TH-camr Christians since 2020 moved from trying to prove Jesus is god and the preservation of their Bible (which no Biblical scholar agrees is preserved) from christian sources to the Quran 🤣🤣
Lying against the Quran is even worse than lying against the Bible and saying Jesus is X or claiming the Bible is preserved without proving it. Now even Christians have are lost with your nonsense.
Anyways, the Quran never affirms the preservation of the Bible but rather specifically says the Torah is corrupted and the Christians corrupted the religion of Jesus after him.
As for Christian scholarship regarding it,
The Christian Biblical scholars have a consensus that
1. The authors of the 4 Gospels are unknown
2. Not a single NT author is eye witness
3. Oldest mansucript, Rylands Library Papyrus P52, dates to 150-175 which shows that *no eye witness wrote it.*
4. 94% of the New Testament mansucripts comes from 9th century onwards i.e 94% of the NT mansucripts that *EXIST* were written after the Quran.
References:
Aland, Kurt; Aland, Barbara (1995). The Text of The New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism, p. 81
Reddish, Mitchell (2011). An Introduction to The Gospels.
Lindars, Barnabas; Edwards, Ruth; Court, John M. (2000). The Johannine Literature
Then you have edition like the NIV that says in it's footnotes that the Verses regarding the Adulteress are *NOT* in the early mansucripts thus making them fabricated verses. Famously 1 John 5:7 was shown to be a *fabrication* hence why most Bible editions *removed it completely.*
The NT is corrupt. Your entire religion is based on this corruption that has no link to any of the living humans during the era it's reporting from. No amount of lying about the Quran will change the facts and you know it.
@@thecrow6388 report for spam, don't entertain the spamming troll
@@thecrow6388 Yeah you are spamming.
You keep repeating the same stuff all over the place despite answer had already been given.
Instead of continue from what has been left, you create the same comment again.
"Maybe, John didn't exist" ahh statement
This takes 10 seconds to understand, but Tri-stans love to make some content
If Mohammed was in doubts about his revelation and he read the scriptures, as suggested by Allah, and he sees that it’s completely different from his revelations, will that clear up his doubts ? Q10:94
Seeing is not believing. The cognitive dissonance runs too deep in Islam for Muslims to believe what they actually read in their Quran!
The worst thing you can do to a child is tell the child to memorize or recite a “Holy book,” written or inspired by God-Any book! It impedes the child's critical thinking regarding that book
Dumbest argument indeed bro
What if you addressed the actual argument?
A. The Quran testifies to the authority of the Torah and Gospel. Surah 3:3-4
B. The Quran testifies that with Allah’s help the true followers of Jesus become dominant. Surah 61:14
C. The believers who became dominant were the Catholic church.
D. The Catholic church, the Torah, and Gospel directly contradict the Quran in teachings and in the telling of stories in Scripture.
Conclusion: the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they are not in line with what they claim came before it OR the Quran and therefore Islam is false because they claim to come after the Torah and Gospel when the Quran should be claiming to be distinct and different from anything that came before it.
@@bigideasthescholar
A. Quran affirms Tawrat & Injeel were revelations given to the respective prophets sent by God to guide their own people.
Whenever Quran quotes these names, it refers to those revelations.
Not the ones written by anonymous writers.
B & C. There were many factions of early Christianity.
One of them was the group who proclaimed the truth and said that he was neither god nor the son of god, but he was Allah's servant and His Messenger.
Eventually, Allah raised the Final Messenger of Allah who supported the group of the true believers.
The Believers prevailed.
History tells us how the Roman empire collapsed after embracing Christianity while Islam brought the light to the dark ages.
D. When asked of the most important commandment, Jesus answered :
Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is the ONLY GOD. (Mark 12.29)
The same message from all prophets sent by God can also be found in Deut 6.4.
The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
@@bigideasthescholar
A) It literally says nothing about the authority of Torah and the gospel. Verse 3 says that the Quran was sent down confirming what came before it. In order to confirm something, one must be in line with what it is confirming. The early Muslims knew the text the Christians and Jews had, and if it was the Bible you have today. How did they deal with the Bible CLEARLY being different (like Moses' leprous hand) from what the Quran was saying? The Quran confirming the Bible proves that the Bible is not the previous revelation. If the Quran 'confirms' what came before it, what came before it has to be in line with it. Quran elsewhere says that the crucifixion is a conjecture, and the NT teaches the crucifixion, hence the Quran doesn't confirm the New Testament. An evidence of this can be seen from what the early Muslims were doing. We see in a few hadiths that the Jewish texts were very much similar to the Quranic texts, hence the Quran CONFIRMS the previous revelations.
- They said, "In the Torah, we find that if four men testify that they saw his male organ in her womb, similar to when the eyeliner is inserted inside the eyeliner container; in this case they are stoned."
(Al-Munzhiri declared this narration to be authentic in Al-Targheeb Wal-Tarheeb, Volume 3, p. 188)
B) Okay? So? You know that we have NOTHING from the other stream that disagreed with Paul? We only have Acts which was written by an unknown follower of Paul which we can't even prove was an eyewitness. Allah made them more dominant than the liars, what do you mean by dominance? Dominance doesn't mean that one side will be in power and one won't. There have been people who were believers, but were slaves, powerless, yet Allah still promised them dominance. Dominance has nothing to do with popularity, power etc.
C) The same thing I addressed. If this is what the Quran really meant, you're basically saying the author of the Quran and the early Muslims believed that the Catholic Church was also divinely inspired. Which is bogus and has no evidence. Instead, the Catholic Church which teaches the Trinity was attacked by the Quran (The belief that God is the third of three, which would mean ANY form of Trinity).
D) This is why the Quran doesn't say "The texts that is with the Christians and the Jews is the very word of God Allah sent" but rather that the Quran confirms the torah and Injeel. The Quran cannot confirm something that doesn't align with it. The same New Testament (Injeel, in your perception) that the Quran confirms contains explicit teaching of crucifixion, something which the Quran says is a conjecture.
Conclusion: The author of the Quran never says anything about any Bible. But Torah and Injeel, the Torah and Injeel were the true revelations sent by Allah. Your Bible has a saying of mustard seed from Jesus, which the Quran says was sent by Allah, hence that is the Injeel. The Quran is the criterion, it is an attribute of the Quran known as "Al Furqan". As 5:48 speaks about the Quran being the criterion, and that make sense. If the Quran is the criterion, it is to be used as the criteria in distinguishing what comes from Allah and what doesn't. This is how the Quran confirms what came before it. If the Quran says that God exists, but the Bible says that God doesn't exist, how can the Quran CONFIRM the Bible? Despite the author of the Quran clearly knowing what was in the Bible (Moses' leprous hand being refuted in the Quran as the Quran says it is "unblemished" is intentional).
feels illegal to be this early
hi can we do mutah?
@@rKaraa Can you go away?
@@lithium8847-er2oj why are you so pressed? why should i go away? i can comment whatever i want
@@rKaraaBecause you are clearly here to cause fitnah. If you want to sleep around with women and immediately divorce them, then you’ll clearly have fun time in hellfire.
@@rKaraaNo you can’t, happy ?
على الجرح أخوي فريد 😅الله يبارك فيك
Hi, when will you talk with Sam Shamoun ?
Sam got refuted by Shaykh Uthman when the former came to the latter daawah booth. 😊
He will run and delete your comment…
You can see how clueless he is just by watching this video.
@@letmetalk2240 How did he refute him if he barely talked to him? 💀You're making your own happiness.
@@theelite5580
This was my previous comment. :
Sam got refuted by Shaykh Uthman when the former came to the latter daawah booth.
Which part of it is hard for you to understand?
@@letmetalk2240 That there wasn't a discussion, it was a simple back and forth for like 30 seconds, Uthman didn't refute him because he didn't have an argumentative discussion with him.
It’s unfortunate the most
Popular critics use the most backwards argument
Assalaamu Aalaeykum Akhi!
hi can we do mutah?
You're the first Farid I have ever found in 26 years!
theres something so funny about david wood saying with steel confidence "and so the quran self destructs"
Dude what's up with these Yemenise spam !! 😵💫😵💫
Bots
"Hi,I'm your sister from Yemen & I want all of your net worth❤"
@@arhamakhyar3088 "You want one dollar sister?"
@@HFBN2004akhi I am desperate but if it’s not a least a bag, I don’t want it
Possibly israeli.
The main purpose of the online missionaries is to convince the ignorant Christian layperson, to convince them to give the missionary their money so they only need to sound convinced, they don't need to actually produce a convincing argument as none of these lay people are going to go and actually look into the arguments themselves.
I just had an argument about this topic on Instagram with a christian apologist, and he kept repeating this when I clarification Quran 3:3 is not talking about bible and torah of today
Hi Farid, you didn’t engage with the argument or the Quran verses. Chris at Speakers Corner invites you to a one on one in his latest video. I encourage all Muslims to watch his response and the Christians hope you rise to the occasion. 😁
I have four on the subject. Refer to those.
Chris Griffin made a 15 minute "response" to Jake's 30 video. The fool is a fool.
The priest quoting John should go and learn the Greek grammar because the last bit about '' and the word was God'' is a mistake either made intentionally or by mistake by the christian translators because there should have been an apostrophe at the end of the last word God as God's ( and the word was God's meaning word of God instead of being God) I think they call it logos
*Excellent video!*
A indirect response video to chris in less than one day ? Wow.
Hasn't David Wood been using this one for 20+ years?
Hi, how do i look to Sura 18:27? ==> 'Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.'
If none can change the words of Allah, how can the gospels and the Torah be corrupt?
Sura 5:68 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” …
Allah surely would not tell us to stand on a corrupt book?
I'm sorry if you already dealt with these verses, but i can't find it in your videos...
>>>If none can change the words of Allah, how can the gospels and the Torah be corrupt?
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God said " "And the swine, because it divides the hoof but chews not the cud, it is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7 & Deut 14:8)
His words remained unchanged.
Even if Paul claimed it is no more unclean, Paul's words did not change God's words.
God did not give Paul the authority to change His words.
>>>>˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.”
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Unfortunately, they changed God's words.
Hence, they have nothing to stand on.
Quran 2:79 Woe to those who, with their hands, write the Scripture and then claim, “This is from God,” to sell it for a paltry price.
Woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they’ve earned.
@@letmetalk2240 First: accusing your accuser of having the same error you are being accused of doesn't justify your error... but ok, never mind, I hope you would understand the following:
==> It was not Paul who changed anything, but Jesus.
He said that he came to fulfill the law.. (Math5:17-18). He clearly stated that all of the law will always stand. But.. and that's really the point: it is in him (in Jesus), that all of the law is fulfilled! And Jesus made that clear in the gospels.. The food law is a good example:
Mark 7:18 So He (Jesus) said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, (thus purifying all foods)?” 20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
The law of the old testament showed all the world that the people of God are supposed to be different than the surrounding, gentile nations. And it were just those laws that pointed to the coming of the righteous one, who fulfilled all of these laws! All other people, every human being (including me and you), fail miserably in trying to keep all of Gods laws.. The only one who was able to do it, was God Himself, who took on Himself our fallen state as human beings by becoming human. He obeyed and fulfilled all of the law.. That's why He is the only one who could stand as a worthy sacrifice offering to pay for the sin of the world..
The universal moral laws and the ceremonial/sacrificial laws, all still stand for every person. But there is no one on earth that can obey all of them... And it is actually Jesus who changed the understanding of the law by revealing its true meaning..
Think for yourself: look at some specific food and hygiene laws, like unclean animals (shell fish, pig,..), having a place outside the camp and covering your excrements... That was actually really helpful for the Israelites to survive 40 years in the desert... Today we know what terrible bacteria and diseases can come with shellfish and pig meat. Bacteria we now can control by antibiotics in the animal foods and so on.. But Jesus declared all food clean and revealed what it is really about: Mark 7:18 "Do you not perceive (Jesus spoke) that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated?
So, in short, we didn't change Gods word... We follow the one who is Gods Word! And in Jesus, trough His Holy Spirit, we become more like Him, the perfect one... If we repent from our sin and put our trust in Him completely.
Thnx
As for the Gospel of Jesus:
The gospels of Mark, Mathew, Luke and John affirm that Jesus went around preaching The Gospel.
They distinguish themselves from the Gospel preached by Jesus.
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جزاك الله خيرا
Why don’t you have a discussion with Chris from speakers corner of responded to this video. Have some courage bro.
You haven't said anything at the end. You've just said its thw dumbest argument but haven't disproved it 😒
It has no bases to stand on
Saying that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ took from the so-called "bible" is like saying the authors of the so-called "bible" took from the Torah. The chronological argument is a cheap-shot on the part of the Christians when we already admit that the original book has been corrupted so obviously some truth remains in them. However, one verse Christians overlook from the Qur'an and settles their cheap-shot argument is the following:
"And We have revealed to you, [O Muḥammad], the Book [i.e., the Qur’ān] in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a muhaymin (superseding) over it. So judge between them by what Allāh has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allāh willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allāh is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ." (Qur'an - 5:48)
I’m surprised this video is only eight minutes💀
Its 16 mins if you watch it twice.
Lol Muslims are GREAT with affirming and understanding their traditions but not so good with others. If you understand how the scriptures were compiled, you would understand what it would take to change them. To change them would be a great feat itself.
Prof. Bart Ehrman who has deep understanding of the subject got something for you to ponder:
If Muslim scholars over the centuries - from the very beginning - made dead sure that when they copied their sacred text they didn’t change anything, why didn’t Christian scribes do the same thing??? Here I should stress that within Judaism as well, at least in the Middle Ages, there was exorbitant care taken to ensure that every page, every sentence, every word, every letter of the Torah was copied with complete and resolute accuracy (that’s not true for an earlier period of Judaism, to be sure; but it became true in Judaism in a way that never, ever was true in Christianity). Christian scribes did not do the same thing. We have many thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament. They all have mistakes in them. Lots of accidental mistakes (hundreds of thousands) from times that scribes were inept, inattentive, sleepy, or otherwise careless; and even lots of mistakes that appear to be places that scribes altered the text to make them say something other than what it originally said.
You don’t appear to get that with the Qur’an.
Alhamdulillah
Salam achi barak allahu feek for your efforts
Yup this argument is just absurd from the beginning.
Allahu Akbar ☝️☪️
Of course David Hammer-time is involved in this. Why wouldn’t he be?
@@thecrow6388 Now you’re just making claims. If the Qur’an did confirm authority and preservation of the bible like we know it today, then why does it contradict the trinity the idea that God has a son?
@@thecrow6388 Refute what exactly? The Christian apologists who are more devoted to attacking Islam rather than their own religion? A self-declared psychopath such as David Wood? What argument is in their favour?
@@thecrow6388 The people of that time still had remnants of the old scriptures. For example, the Medinan Jews were awaiting for “their” prophet to appear in Medina. Doesn’t this prove that they still had remnants of the previous scriptures revealed to Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them)?
@@thecrow6388 Welp, I don’t know what does. The Qur’an does not confirm the bible is 100% preserved. There is truth to it, I believe, but it is not 100% true.
It’s like a full glass of holy water, but then someone decides to slightly urinate in it, only a very small discharge. The whole thing gets affected.
@@abdulahadsyed3525 >>>>It’s like a full glass of holy water, but then someone decides to slightly urinate in it, only a very small discharge. The whole thing gets affected.
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Let's simplify it for people who want to get it when the game maker makes the game perfectly he dropped it to the people after few years people will modify the game change it by using mods and corrupt the game with new files that did not exist in the original game change files so they can cheat in the game
Talking too much but hiting nothing Abdol
You are in denial.
Did Quran affirm the Bible?
First of all, you need to tell us which version IS APPROVED BY YAHWEH OR JESUS.
The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books)
The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books)
Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books)
The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT)
The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books)
I watched seconds from those videos by the dumb (to be respectful) apologists and I lost count of the braincells I lost
So, no analysis of the Quran and Hadith citations used by the argument? “People converted anyway, so it must not be a problem” is not a very good refutation. It would undermine all arguments against internal inconsistencies in all world religions.
I have four other videos on the subject.
Where’s your line “fire intro “ ?
Brrrrooooooooo when new video
Hes not going to make one, in the video he used a cop out. Don't be fooled by these videos, they're damage control.
نبغى مقاطع أكثر عن الشيعة بارك الله فيك
Hey wait a minute.. but quran also said the corruption of previous revelation. Dont do these apologetic guys read it? Or know it BUT INTENTIONALLY IGNORE IT 😅
السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
This guy thinks Ibn Hazm was the first one to have this theory when he doesn’t even have access to the classical texts to know which scholars actually held which views 😂
So who were the scholars previous to Hazm?
@@lesliewilliam3777 Ibn Hazm* Referring to him as Hazm would be like referring to Alexander the son of Philip as Philip, and for a previous scholar I’ll give you something better, I’ll give you Ibn Abbas a mufassir and companion of the Prophet👍
@@MichaelJordan-ke2ym The point you've missed is to provide evidence that early Muslims held that the Bible was corrupted.
We're still waiting.
@@lesliewilliam3777 You asked me for an early scholar and I gave something better, a companion
We love you farid
At-Taubah 9:40
إِلَّا تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ ٱللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ ثَانِىَ ٱثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِى ٱلْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَٰحِبِهِۦ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ مَعَنَاۖ فَأَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُۥ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُۥ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَجَعَلَ كَلِمَةَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ ٱلسُّفْلَىٰۗ وَكَلِمَةُ ٱللَّهِ هِىَ ٱلْعُلْيَاۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ
If you do not aid him - Allāh has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allāh is with us." And Allāh sent down His tranquility upon him and supported him with soldiers you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allāh - that is the highest. And Allāh is Exalted in Might and Wise.
Common farid W
Salam tauhid. Watching from philippines
They won’t stop using it
That is the point, the Quran only speaks positively about the Jewish and Christian Scriptures- never once saying the texts have any fault. The only thing you can get from the Quran is people misinterpret or misrepresent what is in their Scriptures by their tongue. The biggest problem is you are even required to believe in the previous Scripture the same way you believe in the Quran, divinely inspired and preserved. Surah 4:136=
O you who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed upon His Messenger *and the Book which He revealed from before.* And whoever disbelieves in Allah and His Angels, *and His Books,* and His Messengers and the Day the Last, then surely he lost the way, straying far away.
This doesn't refer to today's books 😅
We just have to believe that Allah has revealed the books,but the people who received it twisted them instwad,there's a verse in surah 2 that affirms this
Read the Quran again. This time very carefully.
When Quran mentions Torah or Injeel, it refers to the revelations given directly to Prophet Musa AS (Moses) and Prophet Isa as (Jesus) respectively.
The revelations were not given to any Tom, Dick or Harry.
@@jalaluddeenibnabumurrahthe5215 if the Quran is Allah’s eternal speech it definitely is referring to the current books, nowhere does it say to just believe in some original books. Or are you saying you don’t have to believe in the Torah, Quran, etc in their present forms? Surah 2 never says people twisted the actual book, only that people misinterpret and misrepresent what they hear- without even knowing the Book. People do this with Quran too, has no effect on the Text. Surah 2 says Quran came affirming/believing in the previous Scriptures (Surah 2:41-44, 89-91, 97, etc)
@@letmetalk2240 you’re incorrect, the Quran never associates the Torah with Moses. The Quran says the Jews in Muhammad’s time have the Torah with them in Surah 5:43, then continuing on in Surah 5:47 to “Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it.” We know what the Torah and Gospel refers to in seventh century Arabia, since we have manuscripts of them everywhere centuries prior.
@@progressiveoverload3915 yeah,Allah's words are eternal that's correct that is why only 18% of all biblos contents can be confirmed using the Quran as a base
It still does not refer to the WHOLE books
You said that peoples never twisted the actual book yet confirmed the misinterpretation/misrepresent part....What are those if not twisting the real meaning of the books lol,i don't understand your way of thinking
If you said that the Quran is misrepresent/misinterpret as well,that either refers to the translations or some islamic scholar misinterpreted them like the J scholar does to the torah....Give me evidence of such misinterpretation of the Quran
I listened to this rambling for 8 minutes and I’m still trying to figure out your point as no effort was made to refute or at least point out holes in any of the arguments
Literally what did you not understand?
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-MercifulRead my statement properly
@@firstclass444 yeah, what are you trying to say?
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful
He should at least highlight his objections
Brother Chris at speakers corner made a video against ur last video. Could you respond to it
Which part requires a response? The part where he ignores all the hadiths and brings up a Ninja Turtles analogy?
didn’t even notice he ignored all the Hadiths in the article. Keep up ur good work man
بارك الله فيك
Not even the Christian academics and historians claim the Bible to be preserved. They have confirmed unknown authors of entire chapters, such as Hebrews. There are confirmed historical errors in the Bible such as the term 'Pharaoh' for the authority of Jozef when it should be 'king'. The Bible is confirmed, ridden with contradictions from one writer to the other, things as simple as having wrong numbers (age, amount of people etc).
So if the Qur'an is historically accurate. Can you tell me when the term isa was used. That was a term that was never used when jesus lived.
If the bible is so unreliable can you tell me using the Qur'an or islamic literature what century Jesus lived in... or the town that he was born...
@@mystareeJesus is also not his original name
@KalliAbdour but we know that. The Greek text doesn't say Jesus so where did Isa come from. Why is Allah using a name that is not historical
@@mystaree it's coming from god God gived him that name in Arabic
@@JamalAdam455 so no one used that name during the time of jesus.
Personally, I do not find this to be a dumb argument against Islam at all and think its perfectly clear that Muhammed copied many stories from both the Jews & Christians, plus other faiths and historical pagan beliefs as well.
This is simply "Logical" when you look at Muhammed's life! To explain this I would simply say.... Muhammed was born and was essentially a "Nobody" who had no wealth and no official education. However, Muhammed then married his first wife who happened to be one of the richest and most powerful traders in Mecca at the time.
This is where the problem began, because basically, Muhammed was then thrown into "High Society" that he essentially went from nothing, to suddenly being the husband of one of the richest and most powerful women in all of Mecca. However, its a known fact that Muhammed could NOT HELP his new wife with her business because Muhammed....
Couldn't read or write.
Knew nothing about math.
Had 0% experience as a business person.
Didn't know or understand his wife's trade very well.
Basically, Muhammed first wife DID NOT need Muhammed's help at all. Muhammed first wife was basically "Killing It" and was running an extremely good and powerful business without any help from Muhammed at all. She was already a "Made Women / Rich Women" and she didn't need her new husband to help. She had already made her business a total success, without Muhammed.
In this case, what did Muhammed do? Well actually, Muhammed simply lazed around and was suddenly thrust into rich / high / upper class society, where he had MANY YEARS to sit around speaking to scholars, traders, travelers, business experts, religious gurus.
Muhammed married his first wife when he was 25 years old. But Muhammed didn't get his first revelation until he was 40 years old. That means Muhammed actually had 15 years sitting around in the high society of Mecca where he had more than enough chance to hear plenty of stories about the Jews, Christians and other religions and beliefs.
The entire nature of his wife's business meant Muhammed will have met rich merchants and travelers EVERYDAY! He met people from the four corners of the Middle East and beyond. That is where Muhammed heard all these stories and fables about the Jewish religion / Christian religion / plus other pagan religions and myths.
Please keep in mind that maybe 98% of people in Mecca was not in Muhammed's position. That the vast majority of people in Mecca was extremely poor, illiterate and had no formal education or contact with rich merchants, traders and travelers like Muhammed did.
Because of his first wife, Muhammed basically had 15 years to meet some of the richest and most powerful traders in the land, which is where he heard all these stories from other religions. Whilst the "Common Folk" of Mecca will have NOT met the richest and most powerful and educated traders.
Farid makes it sound like everyone in Mecca knew every single detail of the Jewish and Christian religions, when in reality about 98% of them couldn't read or write, didn't know the language and couldn't afford to travel. The vast majority of people back then was peasants who knew hardly anything about the outside world.
That is not an insult towards Saudi or Muslims! Look at my country, the UK. In the 7th century about 98% of my country couldn't read or write and had no idea about the outside world. If you believe the story then around 1885 a monkey washed ashore in the UK and the people hung it thinking it was a French spy, that is how little most people knew about the outside world. They thought a monkey was a French man!
In 1546 the English writer John Heywood wrote the Moon was made of cheese and a lot of people actually believed him. Most people knew very little about the world and it was only those who moved in high society / rich society / educated society who knew more, which is exactly the circle where Muhammed spend much of his young life, thanks to his rich wife.
Between the ages of 25 to 40 Muhammed essentially reminds me of a "Stoner" who simply lazed around his wife's rich business and got to meet some of the most educated and powerful people of the entire region, which is where he heard all the stories, legends and myths about other religions. Where 98% of people in Mecca was NOT hearing such things because they was peasants.
Lazing around his wife's rich business was basically like Muhammed sitting in a university for 15 years and getting to hear all the rich and educated traders stories from far away lands. Muhammed will have known far more about the Jews & Christians just by sitting and listening to all the rich traders and business men who passed though his wife's business.
Hence why over 70% of the Quran can be traced back to stories from the Jewish or Christian faith. This is "Logical" and exactly how the world works! To give an example, I could spend 15 years sitting and listening to Farid telling me everything he can about Islam, but in the end, Farid would still know more than me.
I would then go and write a book and I would make many mistakes! I would forget details. I would make errors in interpretation. I would simply get a lot of details wrong. Farid would then look at that book and easily be able to point out all my mistakes.
That is what happened with the Quran! Muhammed simply copied what he had heard, but he didn't get it all correct. He used second or even third hand knowledge from the stories rich merchants and travelers had told him.
If you have 10,000 peasants who know nothing about the outside the world, but then you take 1 peasant and place him in a university where he spends 15 years listening to everything that was said. Then sure, the other 10,000 peasants will look at that 1 person like a God, like some super magical and amazing person who knows so much more than them.
In my eyes, that is exactly what Muhammed did. He spent 15 years lazing around his wife's rich and powerful business and managed to hear about 10,000 times more than your average peasant did. Muhammed essentially spent 15 years hearing stories about the Jewish and Christian religions from the North and simply decided to copy it.
Not sure why any Muslim would find that offensive as basically every religion on the planet was copied from somewhere! My guess is that Muhammed thought....
"Hey, those Jews and Christians in the North are praying to 1 God, whilst us in Saudi Arabi are praying to loads of different pagan Gods. Hey, its a super cool idea and a lot easier just to pray to one God! Why don't we pray to just one God like them?"
Perhaps Muhammed greatest revelation was him thinking....
"Hey, we are fractured, we are praying to loads of different pagan Gods, where the Jews and Christians are just praying to 1 God and look how powerful they have become! Look how much Christianity has grown! I want some of that action! We should just pray to one God as well" Which is essentially the message Muhammed began to spread.
Muslims could jump up and down saying the Quran was not copied from anywhere, when in reality every religion is copied from faiths, stories and beliefs from before that religion.
The vast majority of Muhammed so called revelations simply came from stories, tales and myths he had been told about other religions, with a huge herd of peasants around him who believed every word he said because they didn't know any better.
My guess is that without his rich wife thrusting him into high society Muhammed would have died as a nobody, just another poor peasant in some harsh land.
How totally stupid and pathetic that Muhammed claims women are fools. That women are not as intelligent as men, when really Muhammed spent about 20 years riding on the coat tails of his rich wife who had already built one of the best businesses in Mecca before Muhammed even showed up.
Muhammed was so intelligent that he couldn't even continue running his wife's business after she died and had to resort to robbing caravans to even feed himself. His first wife built a thriving business, where Muhammed could do little else but become a thief who robbed caravans to even survive.
But apparently, according to Islam, its women who are the dumb ones!
Without his first wife Muhammed would have been nothing!
Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).
And when there cometh unto them (Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, confirming that in their possession (2:89 MP).
Yes quran says Allah's words can't be changed 😊
The Bible did 😂
Good morning
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Ya Farid can you help me with this confusion. Why don't we have any reports of jews saying they believed Uzair is the son of Allah?
There are suggestions by scholars about what could have been the case but no reports going back any group or individual jews making this claim I think?
I have a video on this in the Apostate Prophet refutation playlist.
@@FaridResponds Okay thank you I'll check it out
@@ibrahimaziz2365 The term "son of God" was common then.
The quran says the word of God is preserved
The word of God is what was revealed to isa
The bible has the gospel of john, mark, luke, mathew,
but what about the gospel of jesus?
There argument falls apart right here
Please I am a strong Muslim but that is causing doubts
Have you never heard Douglas Murray?
Qur'an says that it is the Furqan.
Qur'an says Samari build the golden calf while the bible teaches that Aaron himself made it and led the Israelites astray. I mean what else do you need as proof that bible is corrupted as far as the Qur'an is concerned.
Farid can you respond to taqiyah of farid responds in abdullah sameer channel
Taqiya is a shia concept
Farid has destroyed Abdullah Sameer multiple times, don't listen to him
At-Taubah 9:32
يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِـُٔوا۟ نُورَ ٱللَّهِ بِأَفْوَٰهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى ٱللَّهُ إِلَّآ أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُۥ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ
English - Sahih International
They want to extinguish the light of Allāh with their mouths, but Allāh refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.
They're literally been at war against muslims since the last 20 years for their high priest george bush jr.
Atheist: Prove to me that the bible is the truth.
Christian: Read the Quran.
Muslim: Okay, atheist, now repeat after me (raises finger): "Ash-hadu..."
"Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment."
"Will they not turn to Allah in repentance and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
"The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!"
*Al-Quran, 5:73-75*
I almost feel sorry for them.
This guy is really funny. He always runs away from able Christians.
Silly people like you could not make a better argument.
Prove me wrong, can you?
There is no such thing as an "able" Christian. Your illogical theology automatically disables every proponent of it by it's nature.
I think you meant "Disabled"
@HajjTrip2013 lol dude. You say logic, but you have no idea what that means. All Muslims I encounter say the same thing. Your theology is "illogical" not by actually studying logic or philosophy or God forbid study the doctrine of the trinity and give rational arguments why it's illogical. No none of that. All you can do is " I am dumb and I don't like your theology, therefore it's illogical"
So you say your الله has two hands, fingers, a face and a foot. But when asked does he have body parts, you say no no no he doesn't 😂. I mean if trinity is illogical then your "توحيد" is laughable
Walikumussalam
Christianity & Judaism Vs Islam:
Christianity & Judaism:
1- Psalm 83:6 is removed in the Quran.
2- Jesus is Jewish. Our main guy is a Messiah who is Jewish. John 4:22 says salvation is from the Jews.
2.1- The Christian God is Jewish. When Jews reject divinity of Jesus, that's like humility: 'Oh, how could we say Yahweh is Jewish like us?' Meanwhile, gentile Christians can't be accused of narcissism for saying God is Jewish.
2.2- CHRIST IS KING/queen/monarch, regardless of Christ's identity.
3- Love your neighbour as yourself.
4- Be not afraid. (The most spoken sentence in Christian or Hebrew Bibles)
5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then that person really is dead.
6- Abraham sacrificed Isaac, not Ishmael.
7- Our people know Torah and all these Messianic prophecies.
8- Elijah means 'God is Yahweh.'
9- Gave the world the holiday of Christmas on Dec25 or Jan01.
10- Lamentations 3:30 says turn the other cheek and is removed in the Quran.
11- Our religions started in what later became the state of Israel, a great country to live in. So are the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, Poland, Belgium & Switzerland.
12 - As of 2022: Our 2 most dictatorial countries Democratic Republic of the Congo & Central African Republic are Zionist. There are only 2 anti-Zionist Christian countries, Cuba & Venezuela, both dictatorships.
13- When Americans, British, Filipinx or Israelis are attacked like on 2001Sep11 or 2023Oct07 or in Mindanao, we bring perpetrators to justice.
14- Chess: We have Bobby Fischer x Miyoko Watai, Bobby's nephew Wesley So x Carissa Yip, Vera Menchik, Boris Gelfand, Nona Gaprindashvili, Fabiano Caruana, Irina Krush, Hans Niemann, Carissa Yip, Sergey Karjakin, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Anatoly Karpov, the Polgar sisters, Ian Nepomniachtchi, Nona Gaprindashvili, MVL, the Muzychuk sisters, Vladimir Kramnik, Mogul chessboxing champion Dina Belenkaya, Levon Aronian x Arianne Caoili (and Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov & Hikaru Nakamura x Atousa, but they're cheaters). (Bonus: Add Hinduism for Vishy Anand & Buddhism for Liren Ding.)
15- 'Sabbath/Shabbat was made for man/woman. Not humans for the Sabbath.'
16- Matthew 10:37 - Jesus never said love Jesus or God MORE than your family.
17- Matthew 18:6 a fortiori means that employing child soldiers is a war crime.
18- Our top countries are the US & Israel. The US, aka the great Satan, is the leader of the free world, is the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population. Israel, aka the little Satan, is the Jewish state. Gee. Who gave our top countries these names great & little Satan?
19- We're anti-fragile. Christianity: After Jews & Romans killed Jesus, we got, respectively, Paul & Constantine. Judaism: As of 2022, Israel has never lost a war and gains territory during some wars.
20- Acts 17:11 praises Jews & Christians for questioning scripture daily.
Islam:
1- Mohammed is an Ishmaelite and at 53yo did a 9yo girl.
2- Jesus is Muslim. Jesus' Messiahship pales in comparison to seal Mohammed & upcoming Mahdi.
2.1- Islam's rejection of Jesus' divinity is more like 'God is Jewish? No way. Allah is Arab! Mohammed is de facto deified s.t. the Muslim God is gentile Arab. This won't be narcissistic if we spread Islam outside the Arab world.' Lol.
2.2- Sahih al-Bukhari 7137 says that you obey Mohammed if and only if you obey God. MOHAMMED IS (not - wink wink - GOD BUT) KING.
3- Muslims don't know Quran 5:51 and so wonder why Christians support Jews/Israel over Muslims/Palestine/Arab world. Lol.
4- Be afraid. (The most implied sentence in Islam)
5- If hundreds of witnesses see someone die, then it's possible that Allah will use this person to start 2 false religions. (Judaism = Jesus is not Messiah. Christianity = Jesus is God.)
6- Quran denies Genesis 16:12 after THREE millennia (2400 BC to 600 AD).
7- Mohammed can't read and at 53yo did a 9yo girl.
8- Mohammed thought God's name is Allah because of the Aramaic 'Eli' and at 53yo did a 9yo girl.
9- Gave the world the holidays of 2001Sep11 & 2023Oct07.
10- Islamic Breaking Bad: 'A Jew/Christian opens their door and turns the other cheek and you think that of me? I am the one who slaps!'
11- Saudi Arabia is... Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Norway, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon are...
12- As of 2022: We have only 3 democracies. Indonesia & Malaysia are the only 2 anti-Zionist democracies and they just so happen to be Muslim. (3rd is Albania, the only Zionist Muslim democracy.) There are only 3 anti-Zionist non-Muslim countries (Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea), all dictatorships.
13- Who are Kurds, Uyghur's or Rohingya's?
14- We have Alireza Firouzja...oh left for France. We have Teimour Radjabov, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov & Nodirbek Abdusattorov ... oh wait those 3 are probably Jewish since FSU. (But ok fine Bassem Amin, the only supergrandmaster medical doctor & Randa Seder are impressive.)
15- Praying 5x a day is a whole hour. It's like going to church everyday.
16- Sahih al-Bukhari 15 : Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, yet we're supposed to love Mohammed MORE than our family. WE MUST LOVE MOHAMMED MORE THAN ALLAH. Golda Meir:
17- Hamas does this, but Mohammed at 53yo did a 9yo girl, so I guess Muslims don't consider 9yo as children.
18- Indonesia is the top in Muslim population and is luckily a democracy because Indonesia is also the top in ex-Muslims who convert to Christianity (or Judaism). Lol!
19- Islam is very fragile. Islam might be the fastest growing in believers (Muslims) but is also the fastest in apostates (ex-Muslims) even despite apostasy laws. Lol. Additionally, Mohammed was poisoned by the prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith (peace be upon her), a Jewish woman w/ a lamb. This represents 3 enemies of Islam/Jihadism/Arab world:
A. Christianity/democracy/the US, the top in Christian population & the top 2 in Jewish population (But actually depending on your definition of Jew, the US may be considered the top in Jewish population!) aka the great Satan (lamb)
B. Judaism/Zionism/Israel, the Jewish state aka the little Satan (Jewish)
C. Feminism (woman)
D. Me (I was told I'm the 4th enemy. Lol.)
I got this idea from David Wood & Apostate Prophet - peace be upon h.
Someone compared this to how Jesus saved a Jewish woman from stoning. So similarly, I thought of how this represents 2 allies of Christianity/democracy/the US:
A. Judaism/Zionism/Israel (Jewish)
B. Feminism (woman)
And 1 enemy of Christianity:
C. Islam/Jihadism/Arab world (re stoning)
Now as for Zaynab: Islam never gained allies from Christianity, Judaism or feminism the way Christianity gained from Romans & Judaism.
20- Quran 5:101 says Allah hates questions. Lol. (Ok I'm taking out of context. But come on. You know Gasai what I mean.)
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Also
- Judaism inspired the foundation of the US. ( see UB-i-UPJAtY )
- Christianity inspires the continuation/sustenance of the US/west/democracy.
- Islam will inspire the end of the US/west/democracy.
Reminds me of
- The 1st generation makes/starts the business.
- The 2nd generation maintains/improves it.
- The 3rd spends it.
- The 4th wastes it.
And unto thee [O Prophet] have We vouchsafed this divine writ, setting forth the truth, confirming the truth of WHATEVER THERE STILL REMAINS OF EARLIER REVELATION AND DETERMINING WHAT IS TRUE THEREIN. Judge, then, between the followers of earlier revelation in accordance with what God has bestowed from on high,65 and do not follow their errant views, forsaking the truth that has come unto thee. Unto every one of you have We appointed a [different] law and way of life.66 And if God had so willed, He could surely have made you all one single community: but [He willed it otherwise] in order to test you by means of what He has vouchsafed unto, you. Vie, then, with one another in doing good works! Unto God you all must return; and then He will make you truly understand all that on which you were wont to differ.
(Quran 5:48)
Quran has already made it very clear that when it mentions Torah and Injeel, it refers to the revelations given directly to Prophet Musa AS (Moses) and Prophet Isa AS (Jesus) respectively.
It’s about the epilepsy argument
He has already done a video about the epilepsy argument
@Mimi-Maa18 they responded
@user-dv8tk8bb5c what can they say, farid's video was with a real doctor, they're just laymen
@Mimi-Maa18 yeah 👍🏽