The Katie & Greg Blowout - The Bachelorette Breakdown Katie's Season Week 9 RECAP
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- The Bachelorette week 9 is here and with it comes hometowns and the most dramatic argument in Bachelor history. So what went down with Blake, Justin and Greg's hometown? What caused the blowout with Katie and Greg? Is Katie really ending her season and leaving? Check it out in the latest recap and breakdown for The Bachelorette season 17 episode 9 and the hometowns!
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Hey everyone! I know this one's complicated so please keep that in mind when reading and responding to comments. And understand I'm hardly an expert too. 1 week until the finale!
This one is NUTS. I can understand both of their sides, but it was just blown out of proportion and they both weren't listening to each other.
I’ve 100% experienced a relationship/situation like this before and it sucks. When things start to spiral your brain can’t think rationally. I thought you handled the discussion around it very well.
LOLing at the intro and Justin bc that is exactly how I feel about him
You did such a great job dissecting this whole scenario honestly , thank you
Until you broke it all down I didn’t understand how/when the switch happened for Greg! Great explanations!
Honestly, Justin’s facial expressions really are everyone finding out that he made it to the final two
Right?!?!? Who knew he'd be his own meme! It's kind of meta.
I actually loved getting to know him better in the last half of the season. He’s a catch! I would be equally happy to see either Justin, Michael A or Andrew as next Bachelor.
I have no idea how it made so far but I can’t help but be happy about it. Justin is so goddamn funny. Lol.
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Justin should be the Bachelor. I will never watch the Bachelor, if Greg is it.
I kind of feel robbed that we didn't get any sort of love story between Justin and Katie. There's a reason why she kept him this long... I'm guessing that they edited a lot out.
that's what I honestly was thinking
Yeah this episode's hometowns kinda focused on Greg and Katie too. Justin is probably too drama free to have more air time and tht sucks
@@josephinecat Idk Andrew S was drama free too but he got about of air time. Justin is prob just a little too boring or bleh for airtime
I think they don't see Justin as a bachelor that is why he don't receive enough screen time. Unfortunately. But I think that the chemistry between him and Katie was there.
It reminds me of Catherine and Sean!! I barely saw Catherine on that season lmao.
I really appreciated your careful and nuanced breakdown of the Greg/Katie break up! The response from viewers has seemed very polarized. That said.....let's normalize men going to therapy instead of expecting their partner to fix them
Or, let's normalize men going to therapy instead of abusing their partners. Because that’s the path Greg is on.
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Agree completely!! There is no shame in admitting you need help.
@@xartisan576 yep, he was very awful and wanted her to grovel. I really hated watching it.
Like I don't think Greg is a bad person but he has the potential to be if he treats his partners like this. He needs to get professional help. Today.
Justin's facial expressions carried the show lol
so good
I couldn't stop laughing. The tribute was perfection 🤣
I just died laughing 😂😂
They did though
We need a Mykenna and Justin re-mix!
I fully understand that Katie didn't respond very well to Greg saying "I love you" and that she wasn't as empathetic as she could have been to his very open feelings. But from everything we saw, I think it's clear: this experience was NOT something Greg was ready for. Everyone needs time and space to grieve, if he's still doing so, that's obviously fine. He's a grown man, he can do what he wants, but this show did *not* seem like the move for him to be making for his own mental and emotional well-being. The entire sit down with the family made me so uncomfortable. There was so much pressure and so many emotions and so much responsibility being piled onto Katie during that date, even if they didn't mean to. It was just so much, especially from the person she's worked so hard to keep around because he visibly seemed to have one foot out the door at all times and she was so invested in him. It was a horribly difficult situation to put her in and there were so many emotionally charged statements being thrown at her, and while he had every right to be confused and upset, he became defensive very quickly. He refused to listen to her and refused to believe her words.
I deeply think that he needs to take care of himself first. It shouldn't be on Katie's shoulders to give him his life and joy back, or any woman's shoulders for that matter. It sounds nice until you realize one thing could make it all fall apart and then suddenly Katie is being vilified for not providing that joy for him anymore. And he couldn't even listen to anything she had to say. They're both human beings, they were both clearly majorly invested, but it definitely seems as though he needs to take care of himself before he tries to get into a serious relationship with someone.
Excellent synopsis of the show!.. So on point. He needed to grief and get over Dad!
I wonder if he's had any grief counselling? I did a few sessions of group therapy 7 months after losing my Mom led by grief councillors. That first night the atmosphere was so heavy... everyone was in so much pain still. The only 2 men, one who lost his wife, the other his mom, didn't come back. The rest of us went through it for the 6 weeks and it was definitely healing for all of us. I hope that Greg gets the help he needs.
Hear, hear!
yeah i agree! I was wondering why I liked blake's family better, and it makes sense- there was a lot of pressure being put onto her from Greg's side of the family.
Agreed! It was a huge red flag to me when Greg’s brother said he hadn’t spoken to him or anyone about his father’s death. How can that all be placed on Katie? He needs to heal by himself before he pursues a relationship in the future.
Justin is adorable but I don’t see chemistry between him and Katie.
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I do hope someone lands Justin though. He’s a great catch.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 I think it will be Katie.
Genuinely wtf was that “in loving memory of Katie and Greg’s relationship 2021-2021” montage at the end?!?!?!
That totally weirded me out. This whole episode had such a weird, upsetting vibe.
@@dichotomy113 it just felt out of place after that upsetting break up. Ngl, I was really rattled and exhausted after everything and then they did a highlight reel?! Read the room people…
So afraid it means the production team thinks they will get back together
@@roxannecoffey5428 after everything that went down? I hope not…
That was totally weird.
I like Justin, but it seems like he accidentally made it to the final two because Michael and Greg left.
And maybe made it to top 4 because Katie didn't want to hurt Andrew by taking him to hometowns, then dumping him.
True I wish they hadn’t cut out the poetry reading between him and Katie because rn he feels like an extra
@@vanillaghetto yeah like how Justin could handle it better kind of a thing
@@CourtneyShane Yes, maybe she knew Justin wasn't as attached, or maybe she already knew that Justin's parents wouldn't be at the hometown, or maybe producers wanted Andrew cut loose sooner for MTA and becoming Bachelor.
It’s probably too late but I would like to see him in Paradise! I feel like he got such a weird edit and it would be nice to actually see his personality
This episode was just sad to watch. It was a master class in miscommunication fueled by insecurity and unresolved pain. I hope the best for both.
No it was a master class in emotional manipulation.
@@calliopelove I really do not think there was intentional manipulation happening here. Not intentionally.
@@CourtneyShane Even unintentional emotional manipulation is still emotional manipulation. If Greg can recognize his manipulative behavior and seek therapy to correct the way he deals with insecurity, then I'll have a lot more respect for him. But if he doubles down on ATFR then there's no way we can overlook his toxicity and the horrible way he treated Katie this week
@@CourtneyShane Yeah intention does not cancel out impact. I agree that the reasons he said the things he did/acted the way he did were driven by real pain, grief, and insecurity, and not by an intention to be cruel or manipulative, but the fact is there are many, many manipulative and abusive people who genuinely don't know what they're doing - and that doesn't excuse their actions or behavior. But I do really hope he's able to learn how to handle his emotions and communicate effectively, for the sake of both him and people he interacts with. Clearly he has a lot of his own pain to reckon with.
@@calliopelove Why does everyone try to excuse manipulation with the word "miscommunication"? Seriously, it's happening everywhere! Love life, family, work places....
Why did I learn more about how to handle confrontation in this video than in therapy!! Shoutout to fantake for explaining and hearing out both Katie and Greg’s sides
Yeah, honestly a lot of what Bachelor Fantake says about interactions makes me wonder if he has a degree in psychology or is a therapist in his dayjob. He's really able to break it down and identify exactly what is right or wrong about someone's response.
@@emilyallen366 he read the book on emotional intelligence
@@Ariel-ps8je 😂😂😂
Fantake hit the nail on the head with all of it.
Literally!! Im like damn Okay If I was ever thinking about doing something similiar like that … now I know to do my best to not do that lmao
I honestly just felt so horrible for Katie during that whole conversation. She looked so defeated and broken. She was so confused as to why he was saying these things. It literally came out of no where in her eyes
Same here. It was strange to watch because I saw his demeanor totally change and then he said it was her demeanor that changed. So odd. Looked to be very frustrating on both sides :(
@@cgill914 You could literally see his demeanour shift as a viewer through a screen so I can only imagine how abrupt that shift felt in person. Yikes!
I know 🥺 so unfair.
@@anniebanana3698 Yes, I have experienced seeing a partner shift in that way during a conversation and it is really scary and off-putting because you are truly powerless to stop it. Unfortunately I don’t think Greg was emotionally ready. Just bad timing. I feel bad for them both :(
how did she not connect in her head that she upset him with her initial response when she noticed his shift in demeanor then questioned him about it?
obviously him not outright saying that it upset him was an issue but did she just not think it was a big deal because she told his family that she was saying "i love you" till the end?
It would be a hard relationship with greg. He wasn't happy in his life before meeting katie. She can't "make" him happy.
He also said she filled a hole in him, which isn’t healthy and she could never keep up. He needs to heal rather than rely on someone to keep him happy/distracted.
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Yeah, heavy load to carry. He would snuff her fire over and over until there was nothing left. Too hurt and dark. He can’t even say exactly what he wants.
Absolutely, he's not healed all the way and no romantic partner can just make that happen for you :(
I *genuinely* would not be surprised if Justin somehow became bachelor
this season is wild
I was thinking about this last night and I literally starting thinking that I wouldn’t hate that at this point 😂
@@IAmNotNicolex the season would have so many memes
I’d be there for the expressions !
Nooooooooo
Definitely would loooove Justin for Bachelor 😍😆
As soon as Greg said "I haven't been happy in a long time until I met you" that was where he lost me, unfortunately. If you aren't happy with your life then falling in love might seem like it will cure things but in reality as soon as there is any kind of conflict or minor disagreement, that will fade and you will be miserable and you will blame the other person for not being able to keep making you happy.
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well said!
When he said “can’t she see how much I need it (her telling him she loves him)” i realised he is there for the wrong reasons
@@Marinelka123 completely agree!!
I just want to say as someone whose dad passed away (and I was with him when it happened), if you're feeling the way Greg is, you should go to therapy. Not a reality dating show.
Some people just never get over the death of a father, if they died in front of your eyes and I will never get over mine. But had someone close to me be there and have compassion. Katie had NO compassion, not in her cards. Wait until something happens to the guy she ended up with. Perhaps she just has not capability of compassion for those.
Honestly I love Justin. You never have to guess what he's thinking.
Agree! Think Justin is mature and ready for a real relationship!
He is sexy and sweet, I like him!
I agree with something I saw: Greg didn’t need to go on the bachelorette, he probably should have gone to therapy.
Rude
When happiness comes from an outside source, you are not ready for a relationship. You need to be whole by yourself first
Absolutely, he doesnt seem emotionally ready to be in a relationship.
@@NaomiSwanson recommending therapy isn’t rude in this context; he just wasn’t ready for a relationship and counseling would’ve helped him mature a lot more than a reality dating show
@@lesliesackey2515 I think therapy is a good thing for everyone on a regular basis, no matter what anyone is going through or not going through.
At this rate Justin is somehow gonna be the Bachelor by default lol
Let's give him some time to have fun on Paradise, see how he does, then give him the keys to the mansion.
@@kellylockwood8287 haha! Awesome comment.
Not with his colourist tweets
Not a chance! Andrew for the next bachelor!!!!🤗
Andrew S and Michael A are still big contenders
This is classic miscommunication, with some emotional immaturity on Greg's part (imo) combined with the fact that both of them are in a VERY stressful position. At the end of the day, ALL relationships have miscommunication. It takes dedication and commitment to one another to work through those moments. If Greg cracked SO drastically at the first miscommunication, then... it wasn't the right relationship for either of them. And that's OKAY. I wish them both the best.
ALSO, for the preview breakdown, I am NOT convinced that the suv they show driving in the season finale preview is not Greg returning. Hmmmm... I hope not, though.
Greg's actions definitely come off as immature but don't forget he's just lost his dad. The emotional vulnerability of feeling like you're going to lose someone else that you love probably put him into a mental tailspin. He convinced himself that this was not going to work, Katie was the villain, so that he could escape the relationship and avoid going back to that dark place of feeling loss. I feel bad for him. He looked genuinely hurt, but at the same time, it wasn't fair to katie either.
At least in a real life relationship you have time to recover, reflect and make amends after a blowout caused by miscommunication if you are committed to the relationship. I can see in this situation where Greg is triggered and is feeling insecure, competing with other men how he can just spiral and not see any other option but to leave. I do wish them the best too
@@jenkins5265 Greg needs to get some serious help and get a grieving counselor. I sympathize with the loss of his Dad but that's still not an excuse to treat people as badly as he did with Katie in this situation. He needs to work on himself. He's not ready for this relationship and honestly if he felt this way all along, he should have never come on the show.
THIS!!!!!! I completely agree with this. I think people saying he is an actor and planned it are taking things too far, and people saying he did nothing wrong aren’t holding him accountable for his actions.
I do agree with this and I agree what he did was not fair to Katie but my only question is why sign up on the show if you are not ready? He seemed ok until this week. Why now? I get that Katie didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear but the way he snapped at her really made it hard to watch. I’ve had family relationships that put me through what Greg was putting Katie through and honestly it was so triggering for me to watch last night’s episode.
I’m just exhausted at this point of Katie having to constantly coddle Greg and reassure him all the time, I get why he was upset but the way he immediately flipped the switch and went into aggressive mode…I wish they had kept the part in when Katie tells him “I have no words for you right now.” Because I want to see what made her say that, it must have been awful.
Same. I know we don’t see everything but I’m sure Greg would actually look WORSE if we did…
Yep, you always have to coddle the emotionally fragile narcissist. Poor me. You made me abuse you!
She took him on the most one on ones…what like 3? I can’t complete agree with Fantake here. I bet had Greg come on the show, and his dad was still alive, he’d have acted the same exact way…because he’s a narcissistic little bitch lol
@@calliopelove I so agree. As one who was married to a narcissist and who has watched my then 19yo daughter's relationship with an 18yo narcissist, I can tell you, what he projected was narcissistic. Even if he's still reeling from the loss of his father, which I don't doubt, his "hurt people hurting other people" was what I watched by daughter's ex try to do to her. It was very painful to watch and we prayed day and not that she would break free without getting, physically and/or mentally abused. It got so awful. Greg needs a lot of therapy to not only deal with his loss, but to proper know how to be in a relationship with a woman, especially the one you want to marry.
@suelee... lol you're one of those people who calls everyone they don't like a narcissist. Bruh this is an edited tv show. Narcissists are not inherently abusive. I think you're majorly projecting.
It was interesting to me that the editors decided to leave out the whole Greg yelling at Katie moment that they showed us in the previews. That whole thing was uncomfortable and gross, and I think Katie was being honest when she said it was actually way worse than what was shown.
Which previews? I don't remember this but I want to seeee😭
Wait he yelled at her
@@morgann84 they were in the season previews several times where Greg is screaming the “if it’s not real it’s not real” thing, amongst other stuff, at Katie. I think you could probably find the clips on the Bachelor TH-cam channel, or I think Fantake also made season preview breakdown videos where he discusses it as well. Let me know if that helps you find the clips
@@annahayden Right at the time I thought he was yelling out a guy with how much anger he had.
@@annahayden I thought I did see that in the episode
That Justin tribute might be better than the Victoria’s gone crab rave
So much weird shit has happened on this show that I have to ask, which crazy Victoria was this, and what gone crab rave are you talking about?
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@@emilyallen366 Queen Victoria from Matt’s season. Fantake had a “greatest hits” clip run ready for the moment she left the show, and played it during the after the show livestream
@@beccag2758 Holy shit. I don't usually watch the livestreams, but I went and found that, and it's glorious.
katie should have said “thank you for sharing that” like matt always did lmaoo
Yes! I said this too. It couldn’t have been any worse than saying she liked to look at him. 😂
Greg was definitely a favorite. Producers loved him and gave him a good edit, fans put him at the top of the lists from the beginning, Katie definitely had her heart set on him. I think that's what made this fight hit harder. It's kinda heartbreaking seeing a couple that felt strong before completely crumble in what felt like an instant.
I think it wasn’t producers Katie gave him first impression rose and first one on one, he was a clear front runner because of such, he also got another one on one mid season
Man…Katie’s response to Greg’s confession wasn’t great, but Greg blew it. You could tell Katie really did love him even though she didn’t say it (which is fair IMO). I feel for Greg-that’s the happiest he’d been in years and he was blindsided by her lack of response and probably just went into an emotional meltdown of “what ifs” if Katie didn’t choose him. Such a bummer, I think they would’ve ended up together
I don't understand people saying that she laughed at him. To me she was happy, she was giddy, maybe she didn't want to say too much and then.... 🤦🏻♀️
She dodged a bullet if he blows up the relationship over a single moment of miscommunication
@@perfect0nly Go compare that response with when he confessed before hometowns, and you'll see the night and day difference. She's not in love with Greg anymore. Since hometowns, she's now all in on Blake. Greg could tell immediately in that moment that she lost that loving feeling for him.
@@MichaelSmith-ds9gq To me she looked/seemed very in love with him... and like, if Greg KNEW beyond all doubt right then, he should've left and not gone and tried to make her guess what he was upset about when she clearly didn't understand. He didn't even try to get an explanation from her or ask her what her experience was in that moment. Which is really one of the foundations of effective communication.
@@KC-ep6sg that just ignores so many other factors at play
I am a therapist and you actually did a fantastic job of breaking this miscommunication down.
Greg seems to be finding an externally source of happiness? Perhaps he didn’t mean it initially, but just the fact that he was not over what happened with his dad before the beginning of the show, does not put him in a healthy state of mind to participate in this show. Unfortunately, it was this fact and Katie’s reaction that sparked the drama.
Yeah, I agree with this that Katie could have had a slightly better response (in a perfect world). Still waiting to learn more about how it really went down, but it definitely seems to me that Greg self-imploded here and there’s really no way Katie could have foreseen that. Their hometown date was nearly perfect. It’s very unfortunate that Greg was just not ready. Sometimes timing really is everything.
Still very abusive in my opinion. Why make her feel like garbage over one comment? He needs therapy.
Greg needs to get help. If he doesn’t start to get that needed help, he’s going to end up here again and again.
tbh i think telling someone you've only spent a maximum amount of 48-72 hours with (i read somewhere that ali f said that by the time she picked roberto as her final rose pick, they've only spent a total of 3 days together COMBINED thru the season so im guessing its the same w/ most of the other leads/contestants that made it to the top 4) that you filled a hole that your father's death left is....incredibly concerning and anyone that is THIS dependent on others for happiness has issues that need to be worked on far away from the public eye or social media
@@smarterperson16 totally agree with you!
the shift in greg’s face after katie says “i just love looking at you” makes me really sad
edit: i’m not condoning his actions or words after the fact, they were still super manipulative
i totally agree.. greg could've handled his reaction and confrontation better but he was still valid in where he was coming from
ohh i just realized what she said sounds terrible cuz he might hv felt like she just likes him for his looks.. Imagine if a guy said tht to a woman, sounds bad.
Yeah Katie fucked up for sure and I'm partially on Greg's side here but he should've let her explain herself. What she said was completely stupid, but like how do you respond? I would probably say something stupid too.
Also, it's kind of hilarious watching all the women kill Greg over his behavior, when he did the thing men complain about women doing all of the time. Wanting their partner to be a mind reader. I wonder how many people slamming him are projecting their own negative emotions onto him.
@@Aaron-kj8dv Nobody likes anyone expecting someone to read their mind - women or men. It’s a common trope that women are called out for it.
I feel like the look in her eyes after he said that was basically SCREAMING that she felt the same way, but she wanted to keep the promise she made to herself about not saying "i love you" back until the engagement. Same with how she looked at him when she said "I LOVE looking at you" (something like that) instead of "I like looking at you", but she used the word LOVE which i took as her basically trying to say she loves him back without straight out saying it. Also the whole night was very emotional and him saying all that right after maybe made her feel like because emotions are already so high, she had to find the right thing to say without making it totally obvious that she didnt say it back. Which obviously backfired.
I dated someone like Greg for over 2 years. When we eventually broke up the event lasted 17 hours because his emotions were out of control. That person and I bonded over many things, but we were not each other’s people-he depended too much on me for emotional support when he needed to learn how to manage negative emotions in a healthy way. This person would also keep me on the phone for hours to support him during an anxiety attack, and as someone who also struggles with anxiety, i know that anxiety and depression don’t make you a villain, but it makes you a bad partner if you don’t learn how to communicate.
How are you doing with the break up?
@@avaquattrocchii oh it was years ago-both me and my ex are married to other people now and I have a toddler, so I’m fine (well as fine as a parent can be haha 😆) What bothers me the most about that relationship is the fact that we were great friends before it happened, and if I’d been more mature at the time, I could have saved a friendship. But you learn things about yourself after going through a relationship like that, so I am thankful for the lessons.
I saw a quote once that said “it’s not your fault you feel that way, but it’s your responsibility and what you just wrote reminded me a lot of that. It wasn’t their fault they were struggling with mental health but at the end of the day how they treated you was ultimately a decision they made
Hey, same. Dated a guy who spoke to me the way Greg did, frequently, for two years, and I reacted the way Katie did with groveling and apologies even though I deserved the apology. Breaking it off was also a 19hr event to be fully freed, three of those hours being on the phone convinced he was going to change for good. It was a few years ago but watching this ep made me want to get back to therapy so I can fully heal and won't hurt people with my pain like Greg did.
I went through the same thing you did too!!
Everything was going so well for Greg up until this point.. how did he literally pull a Jekyll and Hyde on us like that?? Major red flag 💀💀💀
He’s a Gemini
Rejection sensitivity. Some people get extremely hurt and cant emotionally regulate well after rejection. He needs therapy, not a wife.
What are you talking about, he was wishy washy the entire time.
@@lolacookie453 why are u armchair diagnosing 🙄
I knew this about him since the beginning. Well I had a feeling he was like that. So for this to happen im not surprised if just confirmed my feelings. I hope he gets the help he needs before trying to date again
I saw a woman trying to walk on eggshells while he was throwing insults at her. I’ve unfortunately been in this situation and watched some of my friends. I think by the end Katie was shocked by watching the person she thought he was turn into someone completely different. The kind that says “if you didn’t make me so mad, I wouldn’t have punched the wall”. No thanks.
Yes, I've been there more than once and definitely have friends who have been in toxic relationships. I hope they brought in a therapist to help Katie through the aftermath of that. It was hard to watch and I hope she's doing ok.
People are really misinterpreting her response to Greg as she doesn’t feel the same way when she literally gave him responses all season that she indeed feels that way about him too. And in all those moments when she gave him more, he usually stared at her nodding not wanting to be too vulnerable yet. And she was understanding of his response and still held confidence in their connection. The moment he finally chose to be vulnerable, she was now reserved in her response because of her rule. She also needed the time and understanding by him till she was ready to open up. But he couldn’t do the same back for her because of his own insecurity in the relationship.
At first my reaction was the same as Greg’s. I felt like Katie’s response was awkward but then Greg started doing too much. And I was like oh no, he’s better off going home.
The whole fight could have been avoided if Greg chose to have a conversation with Katie and hearing out her side rather than just attacking her and not letting her get a word out. He already made hip his mind without any consideration of her feelings. At the end of the day their communication style & love language are just very different
I really appreciate your take. I completely agree with your take on Greg. He’s probably not some horrible monster of a person, but it was sad to see him handle everything the way he did.
No he is being emotionally abusive intentionally. For everyone who can't see that or doesn't know it, I admire your naivety. But when you know, you know. This doesn't mean he doesn't have a sensitive side or is pure evil or hasn't been hurt, but he was being intentionally abusive. Period.
I'm afraid the montage at the end means they get back together. I get that he was defensive but I really didn't like that she was on her knees below him. They aren't equals in this and that's never good.
Yes! Please note the slight look of pleasure on his face when she ran after him and sat on the ground at his feet pleading. It was his perfect opportunity to deal the deadly blow! Dude is toxic and would sulk for everything in future, gaslight her, speak unclearly like she should read his mind and eventually put out her fire….
@@calliopelove To be honest, you come off as very judgmental, not to mention, condescending. "I admire your naivety." It's actually naiveté, but whatever. You don't know the whole situation, you're not a therapist and you don't know these people personally. It seems that you're projecting your own experiences onto others. Maybe he's abusive, or maybe he's truly hurt and doesn't know how to deal with the pain. Either way, I'm waiting to see what else happens before I come to a conclusion.
@@malloryg4251 so true!
I was really impressed with how Kaitlyn handled talking to Katie. I don’t think a conversation like that could’ve ever happened if Chris Harrison was still the host
Very true
Well, they are both women. Could Kaitlyn has a heart to heart like that with a Bachelor she didn't know?
@@briiansd why wouldn't she be able to? I dont think Harrison was that empathetic with men or women
I had the same thought. I wanted to hug and comfort Katie through the TV and I was glad Kaitlyn was there to do it
@@LilBrownieD Adding on to what you said, Kaitlyn and Tayshia both know exactly what it's like being in her position. They have been in her position which is what makes it a lot better for Katie cause she knows they'll be able to understand and they can comfort her.
This Justin Montage was what we needed at the end of the episode, not Greg
I'm really looking forward to the after the final rose so we can get some clarification from Katie about this breakup moment because the edit felt like it was portraying the argument in a specific light possibly to help Greg and I feel like it was much worse in the moment for Katie.
That's interesting! I thought they edited it to make Katie look better
Exactly! It's all those "Why do you think I'm upset?" "What do you mean?" He shut down and didn't communicate anything to her, he expected her to know exactly what to say and do, and it was very specific.
This is not talked about enough! He basicly wanted her to mind read why he is upset and when she couldnt he got more upset. For people in the back if you don't say it you can't expect for people to know it!!!
From my own personal experience, I am a very emotional person and I have a lot of deep feelings. Most of the time when I’m in situations where the communication is off or it’s hard I really struggle trying to get things out. And it kind of comes out like his did. Not as bad as that, but very similar. It’s almost like I expect people to read my mind because the words won’t actually find their way.
Lol imagine if kaitlyn wasn’t there and Chris Harrison had to help Katie while she was crying in the bathroom lmfao
I miss Chris
Chris Harrison would have been TERRIBLE. I can just imagine him pushing her and asking her unhelpful things like "well, DO you love him?"
@@Christina-xc7on well that was what I was hoping was asked and she did not ask her that
Maybe that would have been MORE helpful. Forcing her to confront her feelings and seeing a wider perspective
I commented somewhere else imagine this season if Blake didn't show up. WTF would even happen?
Justin seems like a good dude; too bad he and Blake had to deal with the fallout of the Greg finasco
Haha I love the use of the word finasco
What would this season even be if Blake didn't join?
Bachelor fantake inside jokes give me more joy than inside jokes with my close friends lmao
@@Aaron-kj8dv tbh I wonder if she would have left w Michael if there was no Blake🤔 maybe I’m just a hopeless romantic and a Michael A stan lmao
I'm wondering how next week will play out... if Katie flies home without explaining everything to Blake and Justin, does that mean Tayshia and Kaitlyn will have to... break up with them for her? I would feel so shitty to be in the final two that close to engagement and then be left like that so quickly, esp since the last thing Justin and Blake saw of Katie they were under the impression that things were going great. The whole situation just sucks so much, I feel so bad for Justin Blake and Katie
This argument was super grey to me and I felt myself turning on each side as it went on. I think Greg was very hurt by Katie’s initial response but of what he was confessing to her at the moment - it was very very vulnerable. However, I think the more he sat with it and came to her room, he escalated it to a level that her one comment and her being the bachelorette is what is “ruining” their relationship. Greg, you are on a DATING SHOW. Yes ever emotion is real and your feelings are valid, but putting all the blame on Katie just demonstrated how much emotional pain he’s been carrying and is lashing it out. I don’t wish any ill will to him, just that he truly gets help and takes a break from dating
I have never understood why people like Greg and what he did the other night just confirmed why I have never had a good vibe about him. Why am I supposed to have sympathy for him for remembering the show he’s on and throwing a tantrum for not getting his way? I’ve known men who have done this guilt tripping and they don’t get better. They get worse and more manipulative. He may not be an evil guy, but he has some SERIOUS attention he needs to do to himself. If he was really in love with Katie, he would have not left so easily.
He needs a therapist not a fiancée if this is how he’s going to behave toward someone he claims to love. You don't get to decide when someone is ready to say I love you. No matter how insecure I am, I would never want to put someone in a position where they felt pressured. Is it great he was so open with her? Of course it is. But his reaction to her reaction was completely out of proportion.
People may date and flirt with people like Greg but they don’t marry them for long term partnership. He needs to get help.
And this is why I think it should be a requirement that to be on the show you need to have at least watched one season. It’s like they forget.
Agreed, especially because we saw in those season previews that Greg full on yelled at Katie during that outburst of his too. Under no circumstances is that EVER okay.
Yes, I don't envy ANYBODY he dates, ever. Ladies, steer clear.
Not a big Greg fan right now, aside from his emotional manipulation. You don't tell someone you love them and then get mad at the response, and break up with them immediately. He certainly has a lot of personal issues to work through.
The whole passive aggressive making Katie guess why he's mad thing is so emotionally immature
I feel bad for both Katie and Gregg.. having cameras in your face, high emotions and high stakes being an engagement at the end… it’s a lot. I don’t know if I’d be able to hold my emotions in this situation either.
I love the nuanced take you've given on this situation. Its such a pressure cooker situation, I'm sure they both know neither of them were firing on all cylinders. With that being said Greg really has to do a lot of reflection about how this whole thing went. Yeah Katie didn't do the best job reassuring him, but its clear from all of her actions that he's been her favorite. He refused to communicate at all and bailed from this relationship that he's said he's all into at the drop of a hat. I really think he didn't actually want to be there, from my perspective he was not at all as into her as she was into him, and he used this as an opportunity to get out. I have no doubt Katie feels completely blindsided.
I absolutely love how Blake's mom said "man the F up" in regards to expressing feelings. lol let's make this the new male stereo-type; expressing your feelings.
Yes! Blake’s family made me like him more, they were so cool 😎 haha.
Look up Emily Moynes. She's a published author. She also did a great interview with Dave Neal.
The quick impression I got from Blake’s family was that they were cool people😂 especially the sister
@@beccag2758 I can see Katie fitting right in!
I actually thought the opposite. She's asking him to lie to her about his feelings. He's not there yet!
I've been Greg before. He's clearly really depressed and still in mourning, and being on this show probably (definitely) wasn't the right move for him right now. I feel bad for his struggle, and I feel bad that Katie got caught in the crossfire.
He won't find happiness anywhere or with anyone until he's worked through this.
Better comment than most here. He wasn't purposefully 'manipulative', he's defensive and clearly in emotional pain.
@@0LovEMusiCFoRLifE0 exactly.
Sorry you went through that
just here to say i love all the work and effort fantake puts in for us… i wouldn’t be as into this franchise if it wasn’t for you, and my whole family loves you now too
the first thing I do is what this after, so same!
the fact he said “I deserve more” just shows he didn’t truly love her, if he was able to flip the switch so fast on her after one night of her not having the best response, proves he isn’t ready for an engagement, let alone a relationship with her or anyone. It was hard to watch this episode.
"An argument that has divided Bachelor Nation like nothing I've ever seen..."
Hear me out:
1) Did that opening scene w/ Greg "seeing" Blake & Katie kiss not appear potentially FAKE and PRODUCED? We have no proof he actually did. Go back and watch that. It could've easily been shot after his blow-up with Katie, in an effort by production to smooth his image over. We don't see any shots over his shoulder with Katie & Blake in the distance. We have no shots of all three of them in frame. Just him saying, ew- I saw that, grr, icky, etc. This seems even more possible when we consider that...
2) We got an odd, romanticized Grippo memorial piece at the end.
great points!
AND they edited out that season preview where Greg full on yelled at Katie during that blow up of his. There was no reason to do that other than to make him look not as bad as he came off during that confrontation. Even Katie said it was worse than what was shown.
Omg. You are a real PI! Never would have caught that.
It did seem like a weird RIP moment at the end.
Greg talked about seeing Blake and Katie’s date !
I feel like Greg set Katie up to fail, then chastised and punished her for it. That’s not love and it’s not healthy. I feel for Katie and hope Greg finds help to heal himself first, he must be going through a lot subconsciously. I will say though… the “I deserve better” screamed bachelor audition to me.
Me seeing Greg first appear: He seems like a nice, sweet guy. I hope he treats Katie well.
Me after seeing what went down with Katie and Greg: Nah, never mind.
As a Canadian and someone who happens to be from Blake's hometown, I was insulted by the "stereotypical" Canadian things. I realize he was joking, but unfortunately there are some people who will believe what he is saying. We have horses in Canada, we don't ride moose, and we sure as shit, don't drink maple syrup.
THANK YOU! I went on Twitter and was “like hey man, we need to talk about this maple syrup shit.”😂😂 Never in my life have I ever taken a shot of maple syrup or had it on my nightstand. 🙄😂
I don't know if this helps or not, but as an American, it was very clear to me that it was all done in good fun. I didn't take any of it seriously at all.
Seriously have NO idea how the heck Justin made it this far. I see absolutely no chemistry become him and Katie and am so confused why he is still here 😅
I do still love Justin but I completely agree. My boy Andrew should be there not him.
Bc what’s his name went home
Omg that Justin tribute at the beginning was *chef's kiss*
Yeah Katie's response was not good BUT hurt is NEVER a good or healthy reason to lash out like Greg did. Katie kept trying to communicate the reason for her lackluster reaction and apologize but he was refusing to hear it and instead began to try and turn it all on her "being different" and not the "real Katie" and then use her trying to validate him(like he was wanting) against her(the number one thing). Its was so unhealthy. Greg needs therapy. Seriously. He is not ready for a relationship.
And yes Greg she did ask you what was wrong and you refused to answer? Why are you upset she doesn't understand you?
And honestly Katies silence to me read as her being scared of saying the wrong thing to such an intense confession. It was a lot he put on her suddenly and I totally get her needing to process and saying the wrong thing. If Greg would actually listen and communicate with her then they may have been able to work it out.
But thats fine.
Her and Blake honestly are the best fit.
i used to see a guy that was just like this and let me tell you it’s so draining. she dodged a bullet
I kinda feel for her. In any situation where someone confesses love it is difficult to give a satisfying answer, if you aren’t there yet. Like how do you respond to such an emotional confession. And I understand that he wasn’t happy with her response, but his reaction and the way his expression changed immediately afterwards was also not great.
Well said!
Completely agree with your explanation of Katie’s silence to the “I’m in love” statement… probably she wanted to say that back too, but couldn’t because of the format of the show and any response short of “I’m in love with you too” would diminish such an intense moment…
@@rohoscube8770 yes!!! All of that!!!! I also think she was truly falling for both Blake and Greg and I feel like she mightve been afraid to say something close to her loving him in case she ended up chosing Blake. She's looking at him breaking down about his father and his love and I could totally understand if she feared she could hurt him more by saying too much! Its a lot to handle and juggle. I would probably freeze up too.
i think the producers chose to edit greg so well at the beginning so that this break up would hit us as hard as it did.
I feel so Manipulated 🤦
Greg overthought it + is young and insecure + is coming off family trauma + saw a dude making out with the woman he loves. I don't think he's a bad dude. Just a bad combo of events. He should have heard Katie out but he was in the shook zone. It happens to good people.
That's wha you think until you know manipulators ... He is a manipulator.
@@calliopelove that was not intentional manipulation, that was pain.
@@CourtneyShane 100%
Add that he poured his guts out to her, and she said she liked to look at his face.
@@meredithparkins4379 case closed.
Justin for the win, honestly! Also, best opening sequence ever. Magnifique.
That whole “I just love looking at you” comment, I think that was her way of saying “I love you too”. But she was following the “bachelorette” script, idk just my thoughts!
I agree
I said this in another post but: I feel like the look in her eyes after he said that was basically SCREAMING that she felt the same way, but she wanted to keep the promise she made to herself about not saying "i love you" back until the engagement. Same with how she looked at him when she said "I LOVE looking at you" (something like that) instead of "I like looking at you", but she used the word LOVE which i took as her basically trying to say she loves him back without straight out saying it. Also the whole night was very emotional and him saying all that right after maybe made her feel like because emotions are already so high, she had to find the right thing to say without making it totally obvious that she didnt say it back. Which obviously backfired.
It’s honestly a stupid rule that she made for herself, it’s like she’s saving “I love you” as a trophy to whoever she ends up picking. If you love someone then why don’t you say it!? It is a dating show but it’s not a game and there are real feelings involved, I think that’s what Greg was getting it when he said she wasn’t being “herself”.
@@brianc1309 I think it’s an unwritten rule they can’t say it because then it gives away who they’ll pick, they can say “I’m falling for you” etc etc but almost no bachelor or bachelorette has said I love you before the final episode
@@brianc1309 and tbh I see her point and his. Like if she tells all these dudes she loves them or is falling for them, the ones that get sent home will feel lied to or betrayed or like it wasn’t authentic and I think she’s trying her best to not break hearts or make false realities
@@brianc1309 Absolutely.
My knee jerk reaction was "Tough it up, Greg", BUT then I thought about it for more than one second. Greg's and Katie's feelings are totally valid, it's not right to discard their thoughts and emotions. True, miscommunication is a big factor, alas, maybe, just maybe, their communication styles are so polar, that they'll never be able to understand each other sufficiently. Perhaps, their breakup is a good thing in the end.
Also Katie made a smart move with Justin - she kissed him right after his love declaration. I was surprised she hadn't implemented the same tactic with Greg.
I was in a similar situation, dating someone with a VERY different communication style than mine, and I think you're on to something. Both of us in my relationship needed constant reassurance and eventually when it ended it was similarly explosive (but not nearly as bad as this!!). It's so hard to accept when you really really like (or even love) someone but are just fundamentally incompatible with them!
But here is the thing I don't get with this - how could a person in this situation communicate with Greg? What would you do? Because the whole evening part she has no idea what is the problem and in the day portion he has his mind made up and just talks over her. So I am not sure what could be done here to actually have a conversation.
@@Kaivijs good point. I guess the potential bomb should have been diffused during the night of his declaration. Maybe through physical connection, as with Justin. I'm not sure, it's all speculation a little too late.
But I agree with you, the next day Greg steamrolled over her.
I agree Anastasia. Their communication styles are incompatible here, not getting through to each other, and I actually feel like they are incompatible together as people. He was definitely hurt too and lashed out in his hurt at her.
Thank you for the Justin tribute! I could watch his facial expressions all day! I was really impressed by him last night, as well. I don't think the producers gave him enough screen time.
I honestly don't think Greg has fully dealt with his fathers death, and that's okay! but what's not okay is lashing out on others. i wish him nothing but the best and hope he gets the healing he needs.
what did greg want her to say? he initially is looking for reassurance and when she tries to give it to him he shuts her down. it’s very immature
Blake ,and Katie seem cute as in a relationship but, marriage? Idk questionable to me. He doesn't seem like he's really ready for that step , but only he knows, I hope Katie find her permanent happiness.
feel same
Greg was simply not ready for the process. He needed reassurance. But he's constantly being reassured and comforted by Katie this entire season. I haven't seen a lead reassure a contestant so much right from the beginning. It was so uncomfortable watching the way Greg was talking to Katie. It maybe wasn't gaslighting but it was a level of emotional manipulation. Making Katie feel like she had something to apologise for.
Sadly, the problem started with the way Greg's family kept implying that his happiness depends on Katie's decision. It all goes downhill from there. In the end, when Katie goes on her knees, and he goes cold, I died. In my mind, I want to change his words to something like "I don't deserve... you, look at what have I made you done. You can get better than this. I am sorry. I am gone" and self eliminates because he realized he is not ready for love.
More than gaslight or emotional manipulation, what I see is a broken man that tried to bond with another human on account of shared trauma. But the thing is that wounds heal, and when they do, you realize that actually, this type of bond is kind of superficial and convenient but can't hold an entire relationship. They deep down understood all that in that second but couldn't process it or voice that out. So getting cold was their way to escape.
well, that's what I will tell myself to sleep this night
💯
100%!!!!!
Haven been in a similar situation with my dad passing unexpectedly when I was younger I can say it took a long time before that fear of abandonment stopped keeping people at a distance. Expecting people to understand without explanation is alot. It's not on purpose most of the time.
I'm going to be real, I recognized some of my own bad behavior in how Greg behaved. Like, "why do you think I'm mad?" when clearly looking furious. I'm so lucky to be with somebody who knows who he is and demands that I treat him with respect. I've grown a lot as a result. I hope Greg gets a chance to grow up too.
I personally glad Greg decided to leave Good riddance. Clearly he must have been lost and confused at What kind of show he was on.
Exactly. I kept saying "Need help packing?" GTFO! I kept hoping Katie could wake up out of her pain to see what he was doing to her...I'm glad she now has. It's really hard to see what's happening while it's happening, but in hindsight, once you've experienced this a few times, you can see it coming a mile away!
I had a break up that was even more confusing and intense than this one (based on things that were said or screamed) and it resulted in me experiencing anxiety attacks and back then I was worried it could trigger PTSD in me later. I hadn’t dated since, so I don’t know. That said, I really felt connected to Katie while watching the episode last night. I knew the confusion and helplessness she felt. When your partner, who you used to communicate so easily with, has made up their mind and closed themself off to you, you are powerless and you feel defeated. I’m confident my ex had things he needed help with to be mentally healthy, but also am confident that he manipulated me several times across years reflecting back on it. Greg has confessed his feelings and he seems like a good person, but he also needs help.
If I could have a wish come true, it would be that men felt just as comfortable seeking therapy as women… that all people recognize when they need therapy and find help to restore their mental health. We all deserve that much.
I love when blake sister is tearing him up😂🤣.
We should all remember that we are seeing only portions of a highly-edited conversation. We don't know all of what was said in their relationship or during the relationship-ending conversation. Production can piece together words from totally different conversations and combine them to make it sound like its relevant to the conversation being shown. Entire segments of a conversation can also be left out, making it sound like someone is jumping to conclusions when there is actually a conversational basis for what was said. I don't know exactly what was done here. But, I do know that this is a highly-edited show that wanted to craft a particular storyline. We need to keep that in mind. We shouldn't be quick to judge.
I wouldn't mind Justin for the Bachelor. A season worth of meme-able faces could be fun!!
As someone who’s been through a lot of loss and trauma- being hurt and in a bad place emotionally is not an excuse to be a shitty person. Period. No excuses
I said this in another comment a few minutes ago but I saw a quote once that said “it’s not your fault you feel that way, but it’s your responsibility” and your comment reminded me a lot of that
Greg was not on the Bachelorette for finding love. He came on the show for another reason. This sudden change in personality is suspicious. I have a hard time watching this again. He had an agenda when he came on. And it wasn't for a proposal. I don't trust his motive. She should be glad he's gone.
Also Greg had the right one with the way he kept interrupting and talking over her lol. If it were ME I would have slammed the door in his face on the way out. So disrespectful and immature.
GREG BEFORE KNOCKING THE DOOR : "I need some answers"
GREG AFTER KNOCKING THE DOOR : "Ok, Katie MUST get hurt MORE than me."
Best take. I feel for Greg but he was being defensive. Katie just seemed SO confused. Ultimately though Katie was responding weirdly. He said "respond to the hole in my heart" and she spirals and starts talking about the show and being number 1. It's unfortunate. I think Greg backed her into a corner but in the corner she could've just said "stay I want to be with you". Idk why she didnt chase him
I suspect he says something outside that made her feel defeated, because she did ask him if there was anything she could do to get him to stay, and he walks away in a fit.
honestly, greg’s dramatic exit makes sarah’s exit from matt’s season look very mature
I thought it was a mature decision. If there’s anything about her decisions that might have been immature, it was the requesting extra time from Matt when she had one on ones. Also Matt didn’t do a good job of curbing her expectations about how much time he’d get because he was new to the franchise
i think the only woman greg needs to be seeing is a therapist
No one wants a relationship with someone who DEPENDS on them for their happiness!! That's way to much of a burden!
" you don't have to be great you just have to be you" what a great backhanded compliment
She dodged a bullet. Building blocks of a toxic relationship right there..take notes people
not the Justin montage 😭😭😭😂
honestly I need a silly goofy season of Justin as bachelor
We could have avoided this whole thing if Greg just flat out said to Katie “I need you to tell me that you feel that same way about me or I cannot continue”.. It’s a yes or no response. Instead he tip-toed around it to try to get her to say what he wanted to ask her. If Katie did see him as her #1 & her final, she could have just said “I love you” back. Who cares about the show at that point if the guy you love is about to walk out the door? With that said, I don’t think Greg was truly there for Katie given he just threw everything away that easily. If she does end up with Blake, I hope he doesn’t feel like he only won by default because that’s got to feel shitty😕 UNLESS Katie didn’t tell Greg she loved him because she also had feelings for Blake & she was unsure. Man, I DONT KNOW, I’m so conflicted😵💫🥴 I wish everyone the best at this point lol
These constant Canadian stereotypes, i'm over it 😂😅 hockey, maple syrup, goose, 'eh', poutine, igloo....
Greg just wasn't ready to be on this show let alone find love I believe he still needs to heal from the loss of his father
Justin deserved more of a story line this season.
I think that Greg did expect Katie to say "I love you" back, and when she didn't a switch flipped, and the next day I felt like he was looking for excuses to leave. He wasn't being too clear with his reasons, and he had made the decision before going to her room, I don't think she could have said anything to make him stay.
Yes👏
Greg also seemed very dramatic about their breakup which irritates me.
TOTALLY acting!!
@@ellenwest993 I don't think he' acting. I think he just didn't have good communication and expected Katie to read his mind. When that didn't happen, he turned the situation around and made Katie look like the bad guy.
Narcs thrive on drama! It's all about THEM!
They get high on it.
Are everyone in Canada so understanding, empathetic, compassionate and... Mature I guess? This was Empathy 101. The only video that made me less mad after watching the breakup over and over again. Honestly, I still feel bad for Katie more than I do for Greg. She was the one who deserved way better
Katie is not responsible for Greg's actions. In fact, if anything, she dodged a bullet. Is that what the rest of their marriage is going to look like? Every time she miscommunicates is he going to threaten divorce? At the same time, looking back at the finale, it was also baffling why Katie acted the way she did. Everything she did for Blake was what Greg wanted, and everything Katie said she wanted and got from Blake, was what Greg wanted from her.
I feel like Greg expected Katie to be his emotional support system. I'm not sure how to explain it other than it feels like Greg expects more from Katie but not in a good way.
No exactly. And while that’s important to have, you can’t expect someone to fix you.
Ladies just cuz a guy is crying doesn't mean he is crying for you. He could be just crying for himself.