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I just watched your video & I agree with you. That clown was doing nothing, but nitpicking. He seriosuly calls himself a critic? I swear what a joke, all of his critism are so dumb. He clearly don't know shit about Spider-Man.
Remember objective and constructive criticism is good But with SK his criticism is unwarranted So you criticizing him is constructive Excellently done my friend
Ps if you want make a part 2 that’s fine if you do or don’t I don’t mind I think you did well enough to get the message across to anyone with a decent amount of intelligence that would admit if they are wrong or at least understand But I will let you know SK did see it and apparently because you didn’t cover all his points yet he isn’t even going to take your video seriously because he thinks your bias Even thou I’m sure he didn’t even watch your video to the fullest extent
Hey man, I think your videos are really good. I really want to start making my own but don’t know how to. What video editor do you use and how do you make your videos??
Fun fact: Fisk wasnt actually basically runing the city for just eight years, those eight years are only the years that peter was spider-man while wilson fisk was in power, so fisk was likely around for much longer
it's also possible/might be interesting if one of Pete's early hits as spidey was taking down the previous big man and Fisk filled the vacuum back before Peter was aware of the big behind the scenes workings in NYC and so they both popped up around the same time. that's dangerously close to headcanon but would be neat
CinemaSins has done irreparable damage to discussions about any form of media, and it makes it so exhausting to try and find legitimate discussions online
@@zanyraccoon6361 they're schrodinger's critic. When they're "correct," they're meant to be taken seriously as legitimate film critics, but when they're wrong (which can range from them clearly not paying attention to the movie they're sinning to... not understanding how things work at all) then they're suddenly meant to be taken as parody.
Guy out here critizing a story for having flawed characters like that is LITERALLY one of the most important things in writing. Having characters with flaws and let them make mistakes and overcoming these flaws is necessary for good writing
To add on to the “Spider-Man hitting people should kill them” thing, Spider-Man is known to hold back a lot in his attacks cause he knows a full strength punch will kill a man.
@@VergilXChairHis punches can kill ordinary human and even villains. If ordinary human tried to hit him he would break his arm that's why Spider-Man dodges all the time while the thugs try to hit him.
1:11:05 I am a security guard, and I can definitely confirm that if I heard something just start beeping, I would take a look at it, and then call it in while I am staring at it to make a good description for my DAR, supervisor, and/or potential incident report. I would not immediately conclude: "Oh this is a lure, I am being tricked!" I would think: "What the heck is that? Did something of ours just break or is at low batteries?" Once I saw it I would think: "Was this always here? I should probably ask my supervisor if this thing is important or not. I don't want to be responsible if something breaks." Because in my mind, what idiot would be dumb enough to try and sneak into a heavily armed and guarded military base? The thought that someone is sneaking around would be one of the last thoughts in my mind. Though, because I don't wear a helmet, I'd probably hear if someone was sneaking around behind me, and I would definitely look around after I reported it just to be sure. But honestly, yeah, it is kinda possible for MJ to have snuck in like that.
@@ccscrew7728the point of this guys comment is to point out that when something is heavily guarded regardless of what it is, if you don’t have absolute knowledge that a certain person or persons is trying to get into or moving around a certain area, it just isn’t the first thought. Why would you or anyone think a reporter would be dumb enough to do something that dangerous.
This guy expects everyone in a story to be perfectly efficient, serious, silent and unfeeling zombies. Imagine a story with literally no conflict or humanity.
Those are the types of people that I hate. The ones that whine "wHY dIdnT x dO *insert bullshit claim* InsTeaD oF wHat tHEy DiD?!" and completely ignore that 1. People can be irrational in stressful situations, 2. Not everyone will do what you "would've" done that situation, and 3. YOU HAVE HINDSIGHT!!! These people need to realize that fictional are not going to behave perfectly nor going to do what they personally want them to. This is why I rarely listen to people who say "x is badly written" , because they take the piss out of their mistakes and insist they should behave perfectly at all times, despite the fact that would be boring to watch. P.S. sorry if this comment kinda long, this type of bs pisses me off to a great extent
He is clearly a delusional fool with zero sense of empathy and zero social skills who lives in his Mom’s basement and never comes out until he needs to reload on Hot Pockets and Ring Dings and honestly believes he is flawless and perfect and never does or makes the wrong decisions EVER! And if he ever wakes up to reality he will most assuredly end his own life.
@terminalfeeting If you hate them, then they're your better. Because they don't hate you, they hate bad writing. So venting like that about people you don't know personally is a bad thing on you and sure most people don't know what to do during stressful and sometimes life threatening situations but we all have a fight or flight response that bad writing likes to forget exists, and only bad writing brings people together that honestly shouldn't. So don't fault people for demanding better of their favorite art. They're fans after all and are entitled to their opinion. Just like you are yours, good sir.
People are allowed to make mistakes, the whole plot of NWH wouldn’t have happened if Peter never made a mistake Edit: I’m not saying it was entirely Peter’s fault, obviously Strange is to blame as well, I was just using Peter as an example
@@Hollowmello1285 from what I remember I'm pretty sure he did because Peter kept interrupting Dr.Strange's spell thinking of who he didn't want to forget he is spiderman. Peter was getting help from Dr.Strange to cast a spell so everyone in the city forgot his identity as spiderman
@@trueaura369Peter didn’t know the effects of the spell beforehand. He only knew about as the spell was being casted, that’s why they kept changing the spell. So yeah, Peter just didn’t bother asking what it does
What really annoys me about the "that hit would kill someone" shit is that spider-man canonically holds back. He CAN kill with a single punch, but he intentionally DOESNT. In the superior spider-man, otto, in pete's body, PUNCHES SCORPIONS JAW OFF, unintentionally since he didn't know how strong peter really was. Spider-man would never put his full strength onto kingpin, or some random goons.
In a Civil War What-If comic where MJ dies instead of Aunt May, Peter just straight up brutalises Kingpin. It was over in, like, 10 seconds. He just killed him so fast that it makes a point that he could have done this ANY TIME HE WANTED.
What is truly hilarious is that SK complained about the Kingpin being able to survive Spider-Man’s attacks, and loves to use Raimi’s movies as a point of reference, but just forgot that in Spiderman 2, Doc Ock is just a normal man with mechanical tentacles, and gets beat up and thrown around A LOT. Again he’s a normal human. Shouldn’t he be dead after his first fight at the bank with Spider-Man, according to SK’s logic? Edit: just to continue to point out SK’s utter ignorance and hypocrisy, at 1:12:47 in regards to Colin talk in about Miles, in SK’s rebuttal video, he says that he’s willing to look pass Miles’ mistakes in the game due to his inexperience, because he is fresh as a superhero. But when you watch his spectacular Spider-Man video, he literally criticizes Peter for not being able to do things, but ignores the fact that he is six months in as Spider-Man, and is 16 YEARS OLD. Like damn, nobody can make any mistake in any story or its character assassination.
This not only goes to show how some of SK's arguments debunk themselves but he doesn't know anything about this little thing called fiction and how in fiction things aren't the same as things in real life.
That “don’t stop to talk” thing is a clear reference to Madvocate and his videos talking about the Flash TV show. A running theme (Haha) in those videos is that he’s tired of Flash stopping to an obviously dangerous criminal and talks to them. The clear difference is that Flash moves faster than the speed of sound and can beat up super villains before they can get a word in, making Flash’s defeats all the more weird. With Spider-Man, he’s nowhere near as fast so him stopping and mocking Shocker was just so Shocker can get frustrated and make more mistakes so Spider-Man can beat him faster. He doesn’t really get why the Madvocate joke works because Flash has no actual reason to stop and talk to someone like Mr Freeze of all people then gets defeated by him. He just uses it to sound like he has a point?
Exactly, another part S.K. misunderstands from Madvocate's criticisms is that he doesn't complain about everything being "unrealistic", or looks for every particle to find irrelevant mistakes like S.K He only uses logic and points out inconsistencies that contradicts established rules in the story, like in his CW Flash, Shang-Chi and Wandavision's videos
@@Emily12471The only issue with it in the first place is that CW flash almost never takes advantage at all. Even when the antagonists are charging up, setting up attacks, aiming at entirely different people he seems to slow down to a turtle's pace when his original speed would be fine and it suddenly becomes a major problem
@@Emily12471 The problem is that he doesn't insta-ko them when they don't do as he says, in fact people died because he failed to do so multiple times.
I realized the whole “Don’t Stop To Talk” thing was from Madvocate who is currently going over the whole CW Flash series and why Barry is an ineffective hero because he never uses his super-speed effectively It makes sense there cause Barry is literally so fast that no one should be able to perceive his movements and he can deal with any threat immediately it doesn’t make sense for Spider-Man because he isn’t a speedster
The argument fails to hold up since Peter engages in witty banter and converses with his adversaries, deliberately aiming to make them mad and unfocused, leading them to commit errors.
spiderman can talk while fighting thise two things are not mutually exclusive. they are mutually exclusive for the flash because he can and should be moving faster than the speed of sound
Spiderman isnt a speedster but his reaction time is at the same level considering he can dodge lazers which are lightspeed Not to mention his running speed is 250MPH and his fastest speed ever was MACH 1.9. Spiderman is NOWHERE NEAR as WEAK or INCOMPETENT as modern adaptations portray him. Bro used to be able to speed blitz a crowd of thugs and one of his nicknames was the RED BLUR😂🤷♂️ Even if you make the arguement that the game adaptation is weaker than the comics...sure. But he is still seen dodging lazer gun fire in cutscenes but somehow getting clocked with a kick in the face and dropped on his a$$
On the "why's he trying to kill spiderman instead of run" thing its stated in one of the MJ segments later that Fisk has nearly beaten him to death on multiple occasions. This is actually the first time this spiderman has won a direct confrontation with Fisk in this setting.
Plus one of the backpacks that you find in the game has brass knuckles in them that Peter explains Fisk used to beat him up. So clearly he’s at least strong enough to go toe to toe with Spidey
@@guldmattbb473 It also shows that this Spiderman is a veteran that his first story mission has him beating what was his primary villain in Fisk, that and the fact that hes faced almost his entire primary rogues gallery prior to this.
Just the museum part alone has her look at a sword and say "oh yeah, I remember that Fisk apparently used this sword to almost kill Peter and that he was a bloody mess after that fight" Hell, I know this is kinda cheating, but we see in the tie-in comics for this game a handful of flashbacks of when Peter and Mary Jane broke up and in them, Peter was a bloody mess
I'm curious as to how in-universe logic explains how Fisk becomes as strong as he is. PS Spider-Man. Spider-Verse. He's built like a building and hits like a city block. How does he become this strong?
Im so glad this video exists, I remember watching about 40 minutes of the original video a few months back and getting angry about how bad his claims were. Its one thing to not like things but another to strait up lie to justify why he doesnt enjoy it
Some of his points are good though, and the fact that you didn't watch through it shows me you don't like criticism. I like the game but i very much agreed with him cause he makes good points, especially the experiment video, god that's an awful plot point
@@mateuszmateuszowylistening to 2 hrs of nonsense is justified because he has "a few" good points? Anyone can have a few good takes, doesn't exactly mean he's good at criticising shit. If Im watching a review, and it's glaringly obvious the person is mostly nitpicking and/or misinterpreting information to serve a non existent argument, why tf would I bother watching the whole thing? How does that imply that THAT person "hates criticism"?
@@kugeki6564 That is actually itself a good point, i do agree that some if not most of his points are nitpicks, the video should've been 40 minutes long, but it isn't...
The guy critiquing the game's story clearly watched a Madvocate Flash video and wanted to do the same thing, he just chose a story that's actually good.
@@stayblessed2it's sad because Spider-Mans story is a decent 7/10 imo (including every introduction to side quests) if it was a game with an actual bad story it wouldn't get hate.
I just wanna say, Otto didnt fail his whole life, he got screwed by a disloyal and greedy friend. We see him get shafted multiple times in just this story alone. From his perspective, he's just as justified as Spider-Man.
@@oriandthesleepytime I do wonder how Otto would’ve turn out if he had a positive life and friends instead of a toxic one would Peter trust him would we get to see a superior spider-man without Otto taking peter’s body because frankly that suit badass
“The greatest problem with insomniac Spider-Man is that he follows Uncle Ben’s teachings and takes his own failures personally.” That is Peter in almost every universe. That is the character. To subtract that would be turning him into a Golden Age comic character.
one of the themes i see with horrible internet takes seems to be pretty consistent: character flaws get VERY OFTEN mistaken for writing flaws. it makes a lot of youtubers absolutely abhorrent at their job of unpacking objective facts of the story compared to character personalities and decisions.
This just my conjecture, but in my own experience, people who overly criticize character flaws tend to also lack empathy. Their knee-jerk reaction of saying how "stupid" a character is for making a mistake comes of as a limited ability to be in the character's shoes.
@@J-manliI swear that people who hyper analyze super heroes focus on them being perfect heroes. But the major them with Spider-Man is he is human, a human with power sure but he has the great responsibility even at personal detriment. The odds are never in his favor and he’s gonna stumble but he’ll get back up
It’s fun this guy review get destroyed by you, so many time nitpicking and contradict himself. Jesus Christ and I may think he didn’t play the game and just went to watch the cutscenes or gameplay on TH-cam and same for the comics, probably he didn’t read them
I genuinely thought the story telling in this game was the best storytelling in any spider-man game of all time and possibly even in all of Spider-Man media (minus some iterations in the comics. But I still think it beats some of the comics too)
I saw SK comment to someone saying "i dont care about the comics" when someone said "have you even read the source material" meaning his only knowledge of Spider-Man is really from the movies and TV shows which are just adaptations of the comics💀 i find that really funny
Ya i saw a video where someone was saying venoms design in spiderman 2 was silly and that he looked like a jeepers creepers knockoff with the wings and that its not really venom. Welll if you actually read the comics you would know venom has wings. It just shows how many ppl are just culture vultures and not real fans. They only play the games because of the hype and popularity and thats the extent of their knowledge about spiderman
I seriously feel like this guy woke up and was like “how can i be different today” because theres no way. Theres actually no way someone can be THIS dense. Theres no way someone can see the best modern spiderman story and pick it apart this stupidly .
The types of hits the Kingpin can take is a moot point because in almost every media, Spider-Man pulls his punches so he doesn't kill. If he has been at it for more than 8 years I'm more than sure he knows how much the Kingpin can take.
Yep. I think there's some comics that demonstrate this, such as when Doc Ock (in Spider-Man's body) was easily able to hit someone's lower jaw clean off from their skull, or when he faced off against the brainwashed Avengers.
@mercenarydelta7351 That would be correct and it was Scorpions jaw to be exact, it allowed the Doc to see clear as day that Spiderman is just being extremely merciful with them.
@BattaHopper5650 if you watch the fight from beginning to end you will notice when ever it looks like Kingpin is about to hit the ground Spider-Man uses his webs to save him or Kingpin turns Spider-Man mid air to take the hit. The final one that breaks the ground is from Spider-Man jumping on Kingpin through the floor, but before he even hits the ground he is webbed up.
43:00 is actually explainable in a sense that there are two things that contextualize it. The first being Peter knowing his gauntlets are more powerful in how they hit doesn't necessarily translate to the potential of it's ability to tear through the webs. Especially when they look the exact same as the first encounter. The second is right after the first encounter Yuri asks if he knew a motive. Pete says he wasn't very talkative. So, Peter wears Herman down as you pointed out. Leading to "guys in masks might not be human".
Fun Fact: In the prequel book to this game called "Hostile Takeover", at one point in the story, Peter's scoping out an event that he believes is going to be attacked by Kingpin's men, it's really a trap to make Spider-man look bad (from what I can remember), and Peter jumps in because he was worried for MJ's safety. Nothing bad happened because nothing bad was going to happen, but Peter charged in and screwed things up because he prioritized MJ above everyone else. This is what leads to their break-up in the story and is almost exactly what happens with Standish in the game Also, Dude criticized Spider-man for "pulling a CW Flash" then demanded he pull a CW Flash by having Peter appeal to Shocker's humanity. Peter's been dealing with Shocker for 8 years, he knows what would work and what wouldn't work, and pointing out the casualties (that never happen because nobody brings it up, not even Jameson when he's ranting about Spider-man. He only brings up the destruction of the chase, not any casualties). He also seems to believe everyone can just pull anything out of their ass. "Fisk should send in a bunch of guards to fight Spider-man because they're clearly all just waiting around in his office. It's not like Spider-man just took down all the guards between the entrance to the building and Fisk's office" "Martin Li should just break all the supervillains out of the Raft on his own b corrupting everyone, it's not like it's been shown that using his powers drains him of energy (especially since he's shared his powers with others and re-absorbs them when he needs an extra boost)" And with the FFH comparison of Peter "trying to weasel out" of a problem, the difference in FFH is that Peter doesn't believe he's up for the task. He's still dealing with the emotional backlash of Infinity War and Endgame and just wants a break, but still steps up in the end when he has to. He's 16 and allowed to have the flaw of not feeling good enough for a task
Isnt that still not Peter's fault cause Kingpin tricked him? He didn't know nothing wss going to happen, he thought that something was so he jumped in. And it makes sense that Peter is overprotective considering all the people he's lost so its still not a justfiable reason to just dump him if he only cares about her safety. I mean in this same prequel novel if I remember correctly Kingpin BLOWS UP a building where Peter's female coworker was at and kills her. Its not like Kingpin is someone he should ever give the benefit of the doubt too
@@no.1spidey-fan182 The bottom line is that Peter fell for the trap because he prioritized MJ. It’s an understandable mistake, but it was the straw that broke the camels back for Peter’s and MJ’s relationship. Throughout the entire story, Peter’s been protective of MJ, telling her not to pursue anything related to Kingpin. While he is understandably right to tell her not to write anything about him because it puts a target on her back, we also have the context of MJ feeling insecure about not being able to help. Both are in the right in their own ways, it’s the miscommunication and certain actions that led to the relationship falling apart. And if I remember correctly, Kingpin didn’t order the restaurant to be blown up, that was the guy pretending to be Spider-man going AWOL (as shown throughout the story) because his mental problems led him to truly believe he was the real Spider-man and his life was stolen by an imposter
Mistakes and incorrect descisions are litterally what makes us human. Flaws in us are supposed to be learned from so we can improve and become better overtime. This is litterally what MJ is going through in this game. She may not be correct every time, she may make stupid mistakes, and she may be too overconfident, but that is a realistic character flaw for her to explore and develop from to improve and become a better person. So I don't know why the hell this man talks down on her this much but it simply makes no sense. This is honestly my favorite version of MJ because it reminds me of *my* flaws which is the purpose of a character. She's honestly well written in this game me personally.
Yh and theres a way to writer flawed characters aka Renew Your Vows MJ and a way to mess up that sentiment almost completely aka the inconsistency of Isomniac MJ MJ is one of the best nonpowered fictional characters ever written because she seems to have BOUNDLESS COMPASSION, which matches thay of a superhero. Its the MAIN thing she and Peter bond on because they're very different on the surface level Hence why she goes out ro save people EVERY time she gets spider powers MJ has ALWAYS been flawed. Insomniac just made her ANNOYING because her reasons made no sense and her apologies fall flat when she repeats the behavior
This isn’t how the game treats MJ’s nonexistent arc you’ve conjured up in your own head cannon. Just because people make mistakes doesn’t mean they’re completely devoid of morals. Insomniac’s Mary Jane is an absolutely reprehensible individual. She risked the entire planet to a contagious disease because of ego.
I love how the point about Fisk’s server room being in a public building is described as if he’s insinuating random ass civilians would just be allowed to waltz in there like I get that that wasn’t the point but it sounded like it
23:43 I might also add, as someone who works in IT, a business as big as Fisks absolutely does not grant public access to the server rooms, just by pure principle of a server room containing all the data a business possesses. Only a small amount of staff will have the clearance to enter.
I just completed this game, i thought the story was good but could see how someone wouldn't like it but every single time this guy spoke it was like a Just the Facts with J. Jonah Jameson segment.
@@ayrtonjoga Part of me wished Jameson was portrayed again by JK Simmons ironically. Because after No Way Home he's still the chad of portraying extremist periodists. Well at least we have Simmons doing it again in Across the Spider Verse
The only time I ever *truly* got upset with MJ was when she snuck into that sable base looking for Charles Standish, he points a GUN at her and Peter, seeing another person he loves in danger, rightfully acts. She then proceeds to berate him, ignoring the fact that he was, you know, seeing an ex he STILL LOVES IN DANGER and the last time he had his powers and didn’t do anything to stop someone, his uncle died.
Not to mention all the other people he has lost like his Parents. Peter being overprotective is part of his character. Which comic MJ actually unserstands when she is written properly
I was annoyed at that too... until I put myself in MJ's shoes. This would have brought up emotions she assumed buried, or at least healed. This leads to all the emotions and stresses coming back all at once from their break up... ... I've been there. It's the furthest thing from rational you are. And we see MJ learn from it. Eventually. Like Peter, MJ is a flawed human being. And like Peter, she learns to accept that and own up to her mistakes with an apology for all of it.
@@WFanatic502 Like…I understand her emotions and all that, I really do. I too know what it’s like to be treated in the same manner as MJ, it’s just I think there really had to be a better moment to let all those emotions out.
@@WFanatic502 Peter's flaw is understandable, what with him being the costumed crusader with the superpowers and gadgets, allowing him to fight other guys with superpowers and gadgets and understandably thinking a normal human can't. It's a flaw that allows us to sympathize with him, feeling bad for him that he's putting such a burden on himself and feeling happy when he finally relaxes and realizes he's not alone in all this chaos he's in. MJ is a normal human that could easily get hurt or killed by the militant mercs and the crime syndicates, and whose injury and death would put Peter through untold amounts of grief he hasn't felt since Uncle Ben. You CAN'T sympathize with her, because what she's doing is MAD stupid to anyone with a brain and makes her look like a bitch when Spidey does what Spidey does and tries to save her, most notably in a situation where all he sees is her in a dangerous place and a dude holding a gun at her with no context of what's happening inside that room, understandably think the worst and acting accordingly. This isn't a flaw that makes her look good and look better when she gets over it. This is a flaw that makes her look insufferable and elicits an "about damn time" feeling when she does get over something that shouldn't have been there to begin with.
To bring up another point on how Martin Li knew that the file was in the statue, Peter mentions to MJ(literally right after the mission) that Li has a degree in art history-specifically Japanese-so knowing that Fisk is in possession of said statue(because Fisk was putting them on display)Martin Li would know exactly what said statue could due and came to simple conclusion.
Oh come on now, part of Otto’s characterization throughout every media he’s appeared in IS that he doesn’t know when to quit and has more faith in his work and ability to perform than he has. It was the whole reason for Spider-Man 2, he didn’t want to shut down the reactor because “it’s only a minor hiccup” So “why doesn’t Otto just shut it down before the grant committee arrives?” Because it’s literally part of his character You probably make this point, I’m still watching, but wow lmao
It’s weird because SK actually defended the game from the equally stupid Young Defiant. But then again…he made claims that Spectacular Spider-Man is overhyped…
SK has shown that he doesn’t really understand what Insomniac was trying to do with the characters. Hell I would go so far to say he doesn’t understand Spider-Man as a character in general… I highly doubt he would understand Young Defiant is a troll….
Because youngdefiant NEVER makes reasonable points and insults people for simply ENJOYING the things he talks about, even people who hate a lot of things and have bias can't stand that.
The whole “don’t stop to talk” thing that runs throughout the whole video seems to be from Madvocate’s CW Flash videos, but the difference between CW Flash and Insomniac Spider Man is that CW Flash continues to talk on and on and on to the criminals that by the time he’s ready to fight they sucker punch him, knock him down and get away, Spider Man talks during a fight but at least he talks and fights at the same time instead of having a whole conversation while standing and doing nothing. So I don’t see a reason why he calls out Spider Man talking to criminals because at least he’s also fighting them.
Stuff like Nostalgia Critic and Everything Wrong With have ruined some people’s ability to critically analyze media. It all boils down to “I wouldn’t do that so it’s wrong”
My favourite part about him saying the Sinister 6 could’ve killed Peter at the RAFT, is how many times he brings it up and that they should’ve. The Sinister 6 is a revolving door of members. But if we take a look at Spectacular Spider-Man, we have Ock, Shocker, Electro, Sandman, Rhino, and Vulture. A near identical team yet Peter beats them as a group, in a fight, and not separately. Peter in Spectacular Spider-Man has had his powers for less than a year by the time the series ended. I’m pretty sure Peter lost the fight at the top of the RAFT, was because the area they were fighting in was a small roof. And Peter is definitely not going to let 5 of his rogues gallery just go because he retreated. The entire video was a mess. But I love the chaos sometimes and just laugh at how sometimes people can be so wrong. This video was a real treat. Thanks for the content, and you didn’t have to suffer through someone’s baboon brain behaviour of a video. But we appreciate it.
also i cant remember who but one of the sinister six literally say "he wants him alive" before doc ock who shows up and then says "this is your one and only warning" and this guy is like"SiNiStEr SiX sHoUlDvE KiLlEd HIm"
Remind me if Peter ever beat the Sinister Six himself, because I genuinely don’t remember. What I *do* remember is that Venom took over Peter’s body and beat the Sinister Six in that show, so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison.
Couldn't he separate them one by one cause most of them cant fly and spam a bunch if gadgets😂? I mean 3 gadgets are mission confirmed in canon so Peter COULD have one...the story just didnt WANT him to🤷♂️
As I go through this video, its become pretty evident that S.K. is trying to emulate Madvocate's Flash analysis videos, but even Mad makes a lot of points that S.K. is against. He has a problem with Fisk getting beat into a wall while Mad actively advises Multiplying Man get bashed in the head with a pole, because both of these characters know how to control their strengths. Even with the argument that Peter wouldn't know who shocker is in this incarnation, Shock is easily able to output a greater level of destruction so it would just be weird that he'd die by being crushed by some scaffold
How would he not know who Shocker is in this incarnation? He talks about Shocker like he's familiar with him (even sarcastically calling him a teddy bear before their first confrontation in the game, which implies they've fought before), actively calls him by his real name, and Shocker even reacts to Spider-Man showing up with a frustration that seems like he's done this before. Spider-Man and Shocker have clearly crossed paths before this game.
Your arguments for MJ made me realise I was a bit harsh on her too. I was also pretty dumbfounded at her sneaking into a Sable base against Peter's wishes. But like you said "she was able to actually do it so it means she WAS capable".
Wow, I actually had not considered that with the whole MJ & Peter argument. Not saying I agreed with the whole of S.K.'s review, but I did initially agree with the MJ portion of his review video. But after hearing your points, it's made me re-evaluate MJ's character and learn that she did evolve for the better in the game. No idea why I was so blind to all that. Thank you, man! 😊👊
I guess you could say it’s the games fault for not making the change more noticeable (then again the writers aren’t gonna treat us like babies) I’ve seen too much hate for this character just because she had a character arch.
Although she maybe grew, it doesnt make her character less annoying. Peter had all the good arguments on his side and it was proven by several instances where she literally would have died if Peter wouldnt have been there to save her. While Im getting her point of wanting to help and be independent and that including risks, she was beyond reckless in her approach, proving Peters point. And instead of thanking Peter for protecting and saving her, she is giving him shit for it. In my opinion the angle they were going for was not executed well and they pulled the trigger too late in the story.
@@Phyrraxapart from the Tombstone one, where she legit had the danger of being killed but was necessary else Peter wouldn't have been able to pinpoint Tombstone so fast, all Sable breakins were completely safe from a life or death standpoint. Sable were ordered to shoot on sight for Spiderman or the Demons, not normal civillians. The worst case about them catching MJ would be arrest and even then she can get herself freed. As for giving shit, she that was honestly a horrible mistake but she accepted it and asked for forgiveness.
People who treat fictional characters like they are real people confuse me. They act like the character willingly is acting in such way on their own, not like someone wrote them that way.
It's not even that that really gets to me, it's more how some people will act like any characters having any flaws and not making the best possible decision every time are somehow bad characters.
@@faultyvideos2215 Exactly! People seem to want characters to act like literal robots that make nothing but the utmost smartest and most logical decisions without any margin for error. But, like… people don’t do that. People make decisions based on what feels right to them, people make bad choices, and a character making a bad decision that is in line with who they are and what they want in that moment is not bad writing
@thegreatnecromancerofmiddl3937 yes, it is in fact possible to have your character be flawed without them making a major decision so ridiculously out of character that it ruins the character for some, and Spider-Man for PS4 gives a terrific example of this
I would also like to point out something about SK’s critic about Frisk’s security in a world of superheroes and villains thing: he shows the Rhino, probably the 1 guy in the game who does not give a rat’s ass how tough a security system is, his answer is the same and the result will be the same: running straight through it
As a big spider man since I was like four and one who wants to be writer, I can’t help but lose my mind when this man made mind numbing points to criticize a story, that’s in a video game and is a spider man game. So Thank you. Everything you have said, has been what I was thinking about since I saw that video and it’s been driving me Crazy, especially with his spectacular spider man videos.
Agreed, I mean I personally wouldn’t try to, but as long as it not very offensive to their character they’re fine ( unless they said some terrible things and have done terrible things the I think it’s justified.)
Even looking at the titles and thumbnails of some videos is enough to not want to watch them, for me. I haven't seen his NWH videos because the thumbnail and titles look like it's gonna be another bashing session of the movie (even though it was still amazing, nostalgia aside). Did anyone watch those videos and can let me know how they were? I hate people bashing over these types of films.
The furthest I go with “it’s not realistic” in movies or games is me seeing a bug in the physics engine and going “wow these physics are incredible!” Or if I see a massive plot hole in a movie or game I’m like “did the writers just forget”
It is a very big and damning problem if the writers forget. A writer forgetting part of their story is like a car manufacturer forgetting a screw. Seems minor until a piece flies off and through someone's windshield.
If we were going for realistic when it came to Spider-Man than this is the story. Once day Peter went on a field trip and got bitten by a spider exposed to radiation. The bite infected his blood and he died as a result. The end.
With Fisk fighting Peter it is established that not only Fisk and Peter have fought before, but that at least once, Fisk beat him (in the gallery mission we hear M.J bring up a time Fisk, and I quote "Cut Peter open like a pork sausage." with a sword) so as fat as he is concerned, he has at least a good chance of winning.
17:19 I literally met up with my ex a month after we broke up and we had a sit down conversation about everything. And the conversation between Peter and Mj was so realistic. We both talked about why we broke up to release baggage between each other and to not let it be as messy as it was. Dude In the original video has not talked to a women istg. Like you have to talk about the past rather than moving as if nothing happened
Characters are allowed to make mistakes. It’s part of what makes them so relatable to real people. Like with Colins saying “fluition” multiple times instead of “fruition”.
Also the whole "oh spiderman kills demons by kicking them out" thing doesnt even apply to realife or whatever either because its shown in the game that whenever someone gets knocked off a building peter attatches a web ball to them that safely sticks them to the wall, so he likely did that to any demon or thug he does stuff like this to in the cutscenes.
Also, even if that weren't the case, people like SK maybe need to spend some more time on TV Tropes so they know what "Gameplay and Story Segregation" is.
The way Martin Li's powers are worded, it could either mean Martin can mind control people by touching them, or people touched by his energy can get corrupted. But regardless, the guy who, blew himself up, was definitely corrupted by Li.
dude, you’re right about pretty much everything in this video. don’t let insomniac haters on Twitter or any other platform change your opinions. I look forward to more S-M content, hopefully less rants though.
Holy shit, that guy was infuriating at points but I'm happy you were there to debunk all of his bullshit! I haven't played this game in over a year but even I remembered a bunch of the specifics he tried to use as proof. Great video ❤
Sometimes people just hate for the sake of hating, it really exists in every media and the guy who made this argument of insomniac spider man's story being horrible is no exception fr. Good video! I'm subscribed now
Yo, I am soooo glad youtube recommended this video. I watched SK's video a while back and made some comments debunking his "criticisms." Like I made a comment saying that his criticism about Spider-Man killing people can be chalked up to "it's just a video game and the developers were trying to come up with some cool for the player to enjoy watching." Then that dude's rebuttal was."I am talking about the times Spider-Man kills in a cut scene. It's ok for him to do this stuff in gameplay." And then I basically repeated what I said, emphasizing that whether it is in a cut scene or game play, it still is not showing Spider-Man killing people." If Spider-Man actually killed people, the developers would have shown it, and JJJ would DEFINITELY use that as evidence for why Spider-Man is a menace. But he never talks about Spider-Man killing goons.
Also on the Shocker point, Shocker has a sheild. Peter cant hit through it. He jas to throw rocks at it. He understands that the big metal thing wont kill him. You also see the sheild buckle and disappear impling it absorbed the impact.
@@SoyboyPeterAnd... how, pray tell, do you male a force field to not protect some parts? Why would you go to the extra effort to design vulnerabilities on purpose?
@@WFanatic502 The force field didn’t stop the giant object from falling on top of Shocker. Considering the weight of the object, it should have cleaved him in half.
Another potential reason why the demons break Shocker out is to distract Spider-Man and keep him off their trail longer. The tragically short lived and excellent Spectacular Spider-Man actually has this as a plot point. Tombstone (who was basically Kingpin because the writers didn't have the rights to him) had his henchmen constantly being stopped by Spider-Man and that was cutting into his profits. But Tombstone realized that whenever a super villain was destroying everything he could continue his criminal actions without Spider-Man noticing. Tombstone actually then employs Norman Osborn to make more super villains.
Im glad that you keep pointing out the humanity of Peter, with him making mistakes. I think there are a lot of people that just think that since he is a superhero, he is ineffable. Stan Lee himself said that Spider-Man is such a great hero because he is a human. He has the same struggles as a regular person, so he is easily relatable. This guy in the video talks about the Insomniac Spider-Man as if he should be completely perfect, and that will never be a trait for Spider-Man.
Also about the statue in the auction house. If I remember correctly how the mission played out, the tour guide opens the door and then gets a phone call from someone else at the Bugle. She finds out that MJ isn’t supposed to be there and is “pissed off” according to MJ. It wouldn’t be unsurprising if she wasn’t thinking straight and forgot to lock the door while yelling at the guy on the phone
And he is right because heroes like Captain Marvel and Thor and more powerful than him and have dealt with these types of situations more so they would be better suited for these tasks.
I agreed with his point of "Mary Jane doing the irresponsible thing of not calling Peter when there's a potential viral pandemic that could emerge is an unbelievably bad move for her character." That's an understandable argument. You are also correct that he didn't fairly evaluate her change by the end of the plot and the fact that the game doesn't say Peter is wrong. I wasn't too much of a big fan of the "Don't stop to talk." nitpicks, though. "Talking is a free action" is a trope for a reason. If someone actually died because Peter was quipping too much, then I'd get it, but that's never set up as a thing.
not to mention peter quipping is one of the biggest parts of his character to the extent that when he’s not quipping people are actually terrified IN UNIVERSE because it’s such a quintessential part of his character
@@Virgil191Hel, there's a moment in the game where Peter DOESN'T SPEAK when approaching a criminal, and the dude just immediately folds and tells him what he needs to know 😂
@@ShadowKamehameha32 exactly like bro complaining about SPIDER-MAN quipping is like complaining about superman being from space like it’s just an essential part of their character that has always been a thing
Honestly when Peter did that I honestly was just amazed, because it shows how in this moment, Peter is being very serious and the guy know something is very wrong when Spidey isn’t cracking jokes.
I believe the don't stop to talk criticism is valid because there are people that might be hurt or will be hurt if he's not finish the job and he should know it.
Yo dude, I noticed your channel gained nearly 16 thousand subs in 14 days. Congrats! You made a genuinely good defense to these anti cinematic cinema critics, and I find that your efforts matched the reward.
“Why didn’t this character make the most rational and informed decision?” is such a lazy and dishonest criticism and it sadly is becoming more and more common. People say they want flawed characters who make mistakes rather than perfect Mary Sues. Yet when they get flawed characters they complain and call it bad writing when the characters aren’t perfect and make mistakes. It’s almost like these “critics” have no idea how writing actually works
I haven't seen SK's video, but from what I've seen here, I am inclined to believe that he would make the following argument: SK: *shows a clip of him playing the game and sending a rocket to an opponent* Also, SK: "Well, that guy is dead. Spiderman just threw a rocket at this person's face. Once again, Spiderman has broken his no-kill rule.
10:04 finally somebody says it. Characters making poor decisions is NOT a flaw of the content, it’s simply how the characters are written, if they weren’t written to be somewhat flawed then stories would be boring
Yea that might be the worst review I’ve ever seen in my life. 50% nitpicks that don’t make sense because they’re complaining about nonexistent problems or just complaining about the game not being perfectly realistic even though it’s a fucking video game, then 45% Him contradicting himself by complaining when something happens and then complaining when it doesn’t happen) and 5% Him completely missing/ignoring aspects of the story and complaining about how it doesn’t make sense.
You literally just summed the video up. The guy just complains about things that don’t matter, then when he does complain about the actual topic, he gets it so wrong that it’s hilarious
I love him trying to make a point of Spider-Man cracking jokes and doesn’t know he does it to cope with stress. My brother in Christ that’s literally one of many relatable things about Spider-Man as a character 😂
That’s something I could never wrap my head around, is that Spider-Man cracking jokes and talking to the villains is a bad thing when it’s what he’s known for. He said, “Spider-Man should just tackle Shocker and restrain him without talking,” while I just thought, “dude, did you miss the box of this game? In case you didn’t realize it, we aren’t playing as Batman in this game.”
@@tobyjack1238 Exactly, plus the reasons why he does it is for two things One it distracts the people he’s trying to stop Two it helps calm innocents down that he’s saving by breaking the tension And threw it helps keep him calm by again breaking the tension. I know a lot of people who work high stress jobs who do the same for reasons two and three listed above.
Aye. Another thing is that Peter is strong. Insanely strong. In the comics where Doc Ock takes over his body, he realizes that Peter was pulling his punches when he *literally* punched a villain's lower jaw clean off their skull.
Creaking jokes because he's nervous or because of stress is a modern Spider-man trait, not OG. For decades Spider-man told jokes to throw his enemies off and because he's a jerk, not because he's scared of who he's fighting.
What's sad is people in the comments agreed with the guy. I even commented with a rebodle but the YT and others came at me and said how some story beat made no sense. Like bro, read between the lines
Yeah, I noticed that S.K. tends to make a lot of nitpicks when I watched his Spectacular Spider-Man season 1 video. I did think he made a couple of good points in that video, but when it came to stuff like “why didn’t this villain use this to kill him right away” or something I just thought “Dude, it doesn’t matter all that much. These are supposed to be fun to watch and if that happens it’d take all the fun out of it.” I respect the guy, but some of his points can verge on being *extremely* nit-picky.
Yh its superheroes so you have to just turn your brain off sometimes😂. Villains do dumb things ALL the time so them being imcompetent is just in the trope at this point. Thats why when character like Spot in Across the spiderverse BREAK this mold and get to the point they become icons
@@no.1spidey-fan182 turning off your brain doesn’t always make a superhero story enjoyable in fact it never works most of the time unless your watching Something really stupid.
Why even bother establishing that a villain has a super powerful weapon that can end the fight instantly? It makes them look stupid when they don’t use it.
I only discovered your channel about a month ago when your Insomniac Spider-Man power scale video randomly appeared in my feed. Clicking on that was one of the best decisions I've made on TH-cam. Haven't seen you miss yet. Love finding someone that appreciates this game and Spider-Man in general as much as I do.
25:31 There's literally a scene in that fight scene where Fisk throws Peter through a concrete wall Reinforced with steel beams and then punches a pipe, causing it to burst. Yeah, he would have died from that. Like what?
The whole diving into the game's plot made me excited and curious to see what would happen if peter was the one who was aggressive with MJ instead in spider man 2. How she would react and what would peter do after she reacts, so on and so forth
This is the kind of criticism that cares about little details and logic rather than having a thematic or narrative reason. Like, no it doesn’t necessarily make logical sense that the Death Star has one glaring, albeit small, weakness to the Death Star. But on a narrative level it’s indicative of their arrogance that they don’t notice the little things that the ragtag rebels can exploit.
I don’t think that the Death Star having a small weakness is illogical. It’s literally the size of a small moon it would be a miracle if there weren’t any weaknesses
@@S.R.1977 Kinda missing my point there… It’s something nitpicky people pointed at for years. Bad faith criticism that ignores what it’s meant to represent in favor of boring logic.
I hate that this dude does the “don’t stop to talk” gimmick from the flash is insufferably inconsistent videos, but not only is he stealing a joke from that, it’s not even a valid criticism because when it is done for the Flash, it is because he could solve any situation so quickly that no person would be able to react, whereas Spider-Man is not fast enough to be capable of doing that.
Am I the only one that actually likes the MJ and Miles missions? Don't get me wrong, I totally get why people don't like them, but I can't bring myshelf to hate them. Personally, I find them to be a small break to remind you how powerfull Peter actually is, and how the normal people see and feel this larger than live events. And I find the gameplay entertaining too. I like to sneak past the enemies, being actually scared that the will see me. With Peter, most of the time, If you're spoted, It starts a fight, yet he doesn't die instantly. Miles and MJ are vulnerable, so this scenes are more tense. I don't know, I really like them and the character of MJ in this game in general.
I don’t hate them, it’s just they can get a little boring after awhile, but I don’t hate them because they offer more to the story and give MJ and Miles something to do, which I’m fine with. Sure, it’s crazy that they would risk their lives like this because they don’t have any powers (in Miles’ case he didn’t) but I guess they’re just a heck of a lot braver than I’ll ever be. They give more to the story and characters and that’s what I like most about them.
I enjoyed them too. Most people don't like stealth missions in their actions games (which is why I think people hated them) but if there is a stealth option to something, I will do it pure stealth for as long as capable (unless its Far Cry 5 or Payday 2 then I'll restart the entire segment until I don't get caught)
Some things can be explained; First - As Spider-Man drags that goon through the window, he smashes it with his feet, not the goons head, and when tossing him, you can see he lands on other goons on his back. Second - The towers were just a gameplay mechanic to unlock the map, much like games such as Assassins Creed. Third - Anytime Spider-Man launches a goon off a roof, notice how everytime they have a trip mine attached to them, same can be easily applied to anyone flung from moving traffic.
@@thegoldavenger.3829e is so mentally unstable he made two video of almost 2 hours eache about how bad spectacular spider-man is. Yeah.....at this point it is to late Edit: didn't watch theme, I have other shit to do.
It's funny how S.K is trying to copy Madvocate and his "The Flash is Infuriatingly Inconsistent" series, but it just doesn't work because unlike "The Flash" and it's trash writers, Spider-Man PS4 is actually a game that the developers put their all in, with $100 million being poured in through the course of 4 years.
Spider-Man ps4 is the perfect definition of style over substance. The game tricked people into thinking its masterpiece with its technical achievements while still failing at storytelling and gameplay. This game has a terrible story mediocre gameplay. They spent most of the budget on the graphics.
the “don’t stop to talk” bit only works with the Flash because he has SUPERSPEED, he should absolutely be able to come in, instant K.O., leave. spider-man can’t do that without possible hostages being killed.
@@hidden_block They could even fix that if they nerfed barry, make him get exhausted while trying to tap the speedforce, low carbs or whatever. Anything would give an solid explanation on the matter
32:47 In addition to this, let's just play along with S.K. and use in-universe logic. Pete hid most of these backpacks in areas that are hard for the average civilian to get to (without heavy machinery or ladders). I doubt they would make all that effort just for a backpack. Same with Spidey's villains, why would they care about a backpack, hidden or not? How would they know or care what was in it? (Pete was actually big brain here IMO). But even taking into account ALL of that, if they found all this stuff in his backpack, why would they care? Sure it has Spidey stuff and personal stuff, but most honest people would just turn it in or assume it was a megafan of Spidey (like we assume the movers did with the stuff in his apartment when Pete got evicted). Or they'd leave it alone bc they know it's Spidey's and most of them love and respect him.
The only thing i disagree with is that we can't create an iron man suit or a small sun in real life because we are actually getting closer to this reality
What S.K. is either ignoring or just isn't aware of, is that Spider-Man is *ALWAYS* pulling his punches, because if he didn't he *would* be killing people with his super-strength. But since he holds back and doesn't use his full force, he's only ever striking his enemies with enough force to fight them - not kill them. Keeping this fact in mind, like 80% of S.K.'s nitpicks are made complete mush.
Also it is well known that Spiderman doesn't use his full strength unless he has too. Spiderman can easily kill people with his strength but he holds back. We see how strong he is when he stops the train in Spiderman 2....but he never killed anyone in that film or any subsequent film. Another thing is that i don't think the guy notices is that everytime Peter kicks a bad guy into a seemingly dangerous situation he webs the guy to prevent them from getting hurt. It's a blink & you miss it moment that the creators subtle put in the game.
“just because you have great power, doesnt mean everything is YOUR responsibility” CHILLS, i know it was from someone else’s video, but i am so glad it was included in this one.
This dude is trying to claim that it’s unrealistic for people to not make the most rational decisions possible in every situation. Has this man ever been in contact with other people? Is he from planet Vulcan?
I have a couple of things to say about those StoryStreet clips, and I'll dip into some spoilers for the second game here and there even though this video was made before it was out. I would argue to some extent against the idea that Peter sees everyone as one thing. Even in the first game, he knows Shocker is more than just a criminal, and he clearly expresses his belief that Tombstone can reform, despite the fact that he's introduced _killing someone._ Come the second game, this belief is proven correct as not only is Tombstone completely reformed, but Mysterio and Sandman as well. When Sandman relapses at the beginning, he says he wants to _help_ him, not stop him. This could be because of what he learned in the first game, but even in the first game he wanted to help Shocker when he realized he was being threatened. Another thematic aspect of the game that's even stronger in the second game is the duality between Peter's two lives. He thinks he _has_ to be Spider-Man because he can, and anything he chooses not to do could lead to someone losing their Uncle Ben. He has a kind of messiah complex. _He_ has to be the one to fix every problem, no matter how small, because he's seen a seemingly small problem spiral into something much bigger and more tragic. _He_ has to stop every robbery, because one of those robbers could go on to kill someone. _He_ has to stop those guys in Central Park from harvesting private data, _he_ has to deal with that hostage situation, _he_ has to find out which cars are causing that pollution, _he_ has to fix that building's water pressure. Not only does this lead to him making problems worse when he rushes into things without a plan or tries to solve problems he's not qualified to solve (like when the water towers start leaking or in the helicopter chase mission where he endangers countless lives because he didn't secure the helicopter properly and poorly improvised a plan to stop it, causing a crane to nearly crush people, a wrecking ball to slam into countless buildings, and the helicopter's tail to barrel down the street at high speeds; seriously, if S.K. wanted to criticize Peter for endangering innocent lives, the helicopter mission is RIGHT THERE), but it also costs Peter Parker dearly. He prioritizes going after Fisk over paying his rent, which costs him his home. He repeatedly prioritizes being Spider-Man over his job with Otto, which eventually leads to Otto becoming a supervillain, costing Peter both a mentor and an aunt. His Spider-Man-ing also puts a strain on his relationship with MJ, who feels useless next to him. In the second game, he prioritizes fighting Sandman (his responsibility as Spider-Man) over his responsibility as a teacher, which costs him his job and in turn nearly costs him May's house. Due to this, MJ is left paying the mortgage which further strains their relationship. Then when he gets the black suit, he thinks he finally has the perfect solution. All that stuff he felt guilty about before? Jeff's death, May's death, Otto's descent into villainy? He thinks the black suit would have prevented all of it, and now he'll never have to feel guilty about anything ever again. But all it makes him do is focus all his efforts on being a better _Spider-Man,_ once again neglecting his responsibilities as Peter Parker. He still thinks _Spider-Man_ is the solution to everything. He neglects his responsibilities as a boyfriend to MJ, a friend to Harry, and a mentor to Miles. All of his relationships suffer because he thinks being the perfect Spider-Man is "everything everyone needs [him] to be." It's because of him neglecting his relationships that Harry becomes Venom. By the end of the game, he fully learns that being Peter Parker is just as important and just as helpful as being Spider-Man, so he decides to take a hiatus from superheroing to focus on his personal life. After all, he doesn't need superpowers to make a difference, and the stress of being Spider-Man was bad for his mental health and bad for everyone else in his life. It's a reverse of what we usually see in Spider-Man stories, where the moral seems to be that him being Spider-Man _is_ more important than his own mental health and financial stability, and he just needs to find a way to balance his hero life with his personal life, and I _love_ this reversal. It's such an unhealthy and dangerous message to send that your own wellbeing should come secondary to that of others, and I love that Insomniac is deconstructing that and instead saying "How can you expect to help anyone if you can barely function?" People should be encouraged to take breaks if what they're doing is getting in the way of their mental health or relationships, and they should learn that they don't need to shoulder _every_ burden.
the funniest takes to me is everyone treating insomniacs mary jane like she’s sam raimi’s adaptation of mary jane, ts is so fucking funny, even after she apologized near the end of the game and even took it a step further and learned her lesson in the dlc she is not the same mj from the main story bc this is a game about self development and sabotage NOT JUST WITH PETER PARKER but everyone around him this isn’t just a peter parker game this is a miles morales origin story, a continuation of a ongoing story for peter and mj, and origin story for otto octavious this is a 10/10 story with a 8/10 gameplay so damn near perfect imo but if this guy (and others like him) are gonna be this nitpicky about the FIRST game i wonder how they gonna be like in october 💀💀
36:04 To prove this point further, you could also look at the recent Star Wars game Jedi: Survivor. (spoilers for the rest of this comment) In the beginning of Jedi: Survivor, Cal let's himself get captured to gain access to Imperial information on Senator Sejan's yacht, and the Empire thinks that Cal's way to destroy them is overconfidence. However, Cal reveals that he got captured on purpose and later on, Cal's crew of freedom fighters hold Sejan at gunpoint. I only type all of this because this also shows that the Empire are pompous and don't think that anyone could infiltrate in any possible way.
4:54 Hello, just a little side note here, we do actually have some context to what MJ is talking about. in the Spider-Man novel, Hostile takeover which serves as a prequel to this game, we say MJ in her early Bugle days, going to FIsk tower to interveiw Wilson, to which Peter constantly tries to talk MJ out of because he thinks it's too dangerous, even though he as done similar things in the past, this is one of many things from that novel that effectivly sets this up, anyway, just wanted to give my input as someone who has read the novel :)
Welp that was an experience. Definitely gonna need a part 2. I like your rebuttals and there is no way I can sit through this guy without hearing someone rebuttal his point with actual logic and common sense. Keep up the good work
You literally explained it perfectly 😂 the person is tryna make these fictions stories make sense into reality. If you use the same logic that guy is using then even movies like the dark knight or into the spider verse ain’t masterpieces.
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PT 2 was never an option. PT 2 is an absolute point dawg
I just watched your video & I agree with you. That clown was doing nothing, but nitpicking. He seriosuly calls himself a critic? I swear what a joke, all of his critism are so dumb. He clearly don't know shit about Spider-Man.
Remember objective and constructive criticism is good
But with SK his criticism is unwarranted
So you criticizing him is constructive
Excellently done my friend
Ps if you want make a part 2 that’s fine if you do or don’t I don’t mind I think you did well enough to get the message across to anyone with a decent amount of intelligence that would admit if they are wrong or at least understand
But I will let you know SK did see it and apparently because you didn’t cover all his points yet he isn’t even going to take your video seriously because he thinks your bias
Even thou I’m sure he didn’t even watch your video to the fullest extent
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Fun fact: Fisk wasnt actually basically runing the city for just eight years, those eight years are only the years that peter was spider-man while wilson fisk was in power, so fisk was likely around for much longer
it's also possible/might be interesting if one of Pete's early hits as spidey was taking down the previous big man and Fisk filled the vacuum back before Peter was aware of the big behind the scenes workings in NYC and so they both popped up around the same time.
that's dangerously close to headcanon but would be neat
You mean he took out fisks competition?@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
in 616 fisk only took control after spider-man quit in issue #50, in the markstone spider-man no more storyline
Yes because when Yuri told pete who Jeff Davis was she said that Jeff has been working the case for years
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Interesting theory maybe it was silver Maine 🤔
CinemaSins has done irreparable damage to discussions about any form of media, and it makes it so exhausting to try and find legitimate discussions online
Amen. They're a big reason why the whole "cynical movie reviewer" genre on youtube cropped up.
@@truedarkness4052nd they were being sarcastic about movies they actually liked I think.
CinemaSins is openly and blatantly satire. Very few people take it seriously.
@@zanyraccoon6361 they're schrodinger's critic. When they're "correct," they're meant to be taken seriously as legitimate film critics, but when they're wrong (which can range from them clearly not paying attention to the movie they're sinning to... not understanding how things work at all) then they're suddenly meant to be taken as parody.
@@faultyvideos2215They also lie and manipulate certain scenes just for "sins"
Guy out here critizing a story for having flawed characters like that is LITERALLY one of the most important things in writing.
Having characters with flaws and let them make mistakes and overcoming these flaws is necessary for good writing
Right
To add on to the “Spider-Man hitting people should kill them” thing, Spider-Man is known to hold back a lot in his attacks cause he knows a full strength punch will kill a man.
* Gently tosses Sewer lid at normal thug *
@@anonymousapproximation8549 yea. Cause he knows they can take that shit.
It would break bone but probably not kill.
Probably...
@@VergilXChairHis punches can kill ordinary human and even villains. If ordinary human tried to hit him he would break his arm that's why Spider-Man dodges all the time while the thugs try to hit him.
@@VergilXChairIn superior Spider-Man Doc Oc takes over peters body and punches full force on scorpion and knocked his jaw clean off
1:11:05 I am a security guard, and I can definitely confirm that if I heard something just start beeping, I would take a look at it, and then call it in while I am staring at it to make a good description for my DAR, supervisor, and/or potential incident report. I would not immediately conclude: "Oh this is a lure, I am being tricked!" I would think: "What the heck is that? Did something of ours just break or is at low batteries?" Once I saw it I would think: "Was this always here? I should probably ask my supervisor if this thing is important or not. I don't want to be responsible if something breaks."
Because in my mind, what idiot would be dumb enough to try and sneak into a heavily armed and guarded military base? The thought that someone is sneaking around would be one of the last thoughts in my mind. Though, because I don't wear a helmet, I'd probably hear if someone was sneaking around behind me, and I would definitely look around after I reported it just to be sure. But honestly, yeah, it is kinda possible for MJ to have snuck in like that.
There a difference between a security guard and a member of an elite private military
@@ccscrew7728the point of this guys comment is to point out that when something is heavily guarded regardless of what it is, if you don’t have absolute knowledge that a certain person or persons is trying to get into or moving around a certain area, it just isn’t the first thought.
Why would you or anyone think a reporter would be dumb enough to do something that dangerous.
@@ccscrew7728how did you miss the point of that borderline essay😂
@ccscrew7728
Whoa! It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s actually the point going right over your head.
@@AlonzoTompkinslol
This guy expects everyone in a story to be perfectly efficient, serious, silent and unfeeling zombies. Imagine a story with literally no conflict or humanity.
Those are the types of people that I hate. The ones that whine "wHY dIdnT x dO *insert bullshit claim* InsTeaD oF wHat tHEy DiD?!" and completely ignore that 1. People can be irrational in stressful situations, 2. Not everyone will do what you "would've" done that situation, and 3. YOU HAVE HINDSIGHT!!! These people need to realize that fictional are not going to behave perfectly nor going to do what they personally want them to. This is why I rarely listen to people who say "x is badly written" , because they take the piss out of their mistakes and insist they should behave perfectly at all times, despite the fact that would be boring to watch.
P.S. sorry if this comment kinda long, this type of bs pisses me off to a great extent
Sooooooooooo X-Men: The Last Stand?
He is clearly a delusional fool with zero sense of empathy and zero social skills who lives in his Mom’s basement and never comes out until he needs to reload on Hot Pockets and Ring Dings and honestly believes he is flawless and perfect and never does or makes the wrong decisions EVER! And if he ever wakes up to reality he will most assuredly end his own life.
This the type of dude who only becomes friends with a girl because he wants her then gets mad that he’s in the friend zone
@terminalfeeting If you hate them, then they're your better. Because they don't hate you, they hate bad writing. So venting like that about people you don't know personally is a bad thing on you and sure most people don't know what to do during stressful and sometimes life threatening situations but we all have a fight or flight response that bad writing likes to forget exists, and only bad writing brings people together that honestly shouldn't. So don't fault people for demanding better of their favorite art. They're fans after all and are entitled to their opinion. Just like you are yours, good sir.
I have watched the whole video, and it was excellent. Ignore the fact that it has only been out for seven minutes.
lmao
😂😂😂😂😂
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Retrospective watching speedrun
@@gamursnek mans was watching this in flash time lol
People are allowed to make mistakes, the whole plot of NWH wouldn’t have happened if Peter never made a mistake
Edit: I’m not saying it was entirely Peter’s fault, obviously Strange is to blame as well, I was just using Peter as an example
The difference is that peter didn't even ask for how the spell was gonna work or what were the terms of it
@@Hollowmello1285 from what I remember I'm pretty sure he did because Peter kept interrupting Dr.Strange's spell thinking of who he didn't want to forget he is spiderman.
Peter was getting help from Dr.Strange to cast a spell so everyone in the city forgot his identity as spiderman
@@trueaura369 yeah when they were doing it not before
@@trueaura369Peter didn’t know the effects of the spell beforehand. He only knew about as the spell was being casted, that’s why they kept changing the spell. So yeah, Peter just didn’t bother asking what it does
No way home plot relies on strange being an idiot
Imagine playing a Spider-Man game and complaining that Spider-Man is acting like Spider-Man
Yeah
I love how he calls mj a insufferable child meanwhile he's insufferable and childish in the whole video 💀
Knowing him from before, that’s him in a nutshell
Hes a terminally online bozo who's too scared to debate anyone if he isn't surrounded by his butt buddies
And he says it about probably the best version of MJ we have (apart from comics maybe, idk, I don't really read comics)
MJ was insufferable
Mj is insufferable
What really annoys me about the "that hit would kill someone" shit is that spider-man canonically holds back. He CAN kill with a single punch, but he intentionally DOESNT. In the superior spider-man, otto, in pete's body, PUNCHES SCORPIONS JAW OFF, unintentionally since he didn't know how strong peter really was. Spider-man would never put his full strength onto kingpin, or some random goons.
more horrifying is ock was attempting to hold back there but even so he still used to much strenght
@@lunararmy1624
It was vulture, and Otto Parker wasn't holding back because he got enraged at Vulture's use of children in that specific scheme.
otto blinded vulture, it was definitely scorpion who got his jaw punched off@@J-manli
In a Civil War What-If comic where MJ dies instead of Aunt May, Peter just straight up brutalises Kingpin. It was over in, like, 10 seconds. He just killed him so fast that it makes a point that he could have done this ANY TIME HE WANTED.
That’ll hurt
What is truly hilarious is that SK complained about the Kingpin being able to survive Spider-Man’s attacks, and loves to use Raimi’s movies as a point of reference, but just forgot that in Spiderman 2, Doc Ock is just a normal man with mechanical tentacles, and gets beat up and thrown around A LOT. Again he’s a normal human. Shouldn’t he be dead after his first fight at the bank with Spider-Man, according to SK’s logic?
Edit: just to continue to point out SK’s utter ignorance and hypocrisy, at 1:12:47 in regards to Colin talk in about Miles, in SK’s rebuttal video, he says that he’s willing to look pass Miles’ mistakes in the game due to his inexperience, because he is fresh as a superhero. But when you watch his spectacular Spider-Man video, he literally criticizes Peter for not being able to do things, but ignores the fact that he is six months in as Spider-Man, and is 16 YEARS OLD. Like damn, nobody can make any mistake in any story or its character assassination.
SK has said this was a problem before
@@Sleepy-qr9ilin which video? He has so many videos shitting on Spider-Man it’s hard to know.
@@Sleepy-qr9ilwhich video buddy?
This not only goes to show how some of SK's arguments debunk themselves but he doesn't know anything about this little thing called fiction and how in fiction things aren't the same as things in real life.
@@_Mikeebeed_he said in his spectacular spiderman video
That “don’t stop to talk” thing is a clear reference to Madvocate and his videos talking about the Flash TV show. A running theme (Haha) in those videos is that he’s tired of Flash stopping to an obviously dangerous criminal and talks to them.
The clear difference is that Flash moves faster than the speed of sound and can beat up super villains before they can get a word in, making Flash’s defeats all the more weird. With Spider-Man, he’s nowhere near as fast so him stopping and mocking Shocker was just so Shocker can get frustrated and make more mistakes so Spider-Man can beat him faster.
He doesn’t really get why the Madvocate joke works because Flash has no actual reason to stop and talk to someone like Mr Freeze of all people then gets defeated by him. He just uses it to sound like he has a point?
Exactly, another part S.K. misunderstands from Madvocate's criticisms is that he doesn't complain about everything being "unrealistic", or looks for every particle to find irrelevant mistakes like S.K
He only uses logic and points out inconsistencies that contradicts established rules in the story, like in his CW Flash, Shang-Chi and Wandavision's videos
Honestly id say that Flash trying to talk it out makes sense BECAUSE he can beat them up before they can say a word
@@Emily12471The only issue with it in the first place is that CW flash almost never takes advantage at all. Even when the antagonists are charging up, setting up attacks, aiming at entirely different people he seems to slow down to a turtle's pace when his original speed would be fine and it suddenly becomes a major problem
@@Emily12471 The problem is that he doesn't insta-ko them when they don't do as he says, in fact people died because he failed to do so multiple times.
@@MetalHopper yea that is where the problem lies
I realized the whole “Don’t Stop To Talk” thing was from Madvocate who is currently going over the whole CW Flash series and why Barry is an ineffective hero because he never uses his super-speed effectively
It makes sense there cause Barry is literally so fast that no one should be able to perceive his movements and he can deal with any threat immediately it doesn’t make sense for Spider-Man because he isn’t a speedster
And also, spiderman actually ya know... takes out his enemies.
The argument fails to hold up since Peter engages in witty banter and converses with his adversaries, deliberately aiming to make them mad and unfocused, leading them to commit errors.
Spider-Man doesn't have the luxury of being able to run around the planet in 2 seconds, plus he loves talking shit.
spiderman can talk while fighting thise two things are not mutually exclusive. they are mutually exclusive for the flash because he can and should be moving faster than the speed of sound
Spiderman isnt a speedster but his reaction time is at the same level considering he can dodge lazers which are lightspeed
Not to mention his running speed is 250MPH and his fastest speed ever was MACH 1.9.
Spiderman is NOWHERE NEAR as WEAK or INCOMPETENT as modern adaptations portray him. Bro used to be able to speed blitz a crowd of thugs and one of his nicknames was the RED BLUR😂🤷♂️
Even if you make the arguement that the game adaptation is weaker than the comics...sure. But he is still seen dodging lazer gun fire in cutscenes but somehow getting clocked with a kick in the face and dropped on his a$$
On the "why's he trying to kill spiderman instead of run" thing its stated in one of the MJ segments later that Fisk has nearly beaten him to death on multiple occasions. This is actually the first time this spiderman has won a direct confrontation with Fisk in this setting.
Plus one of the backpacks that you find in the game has brass knuckles in them that Peter explains Fisk used to beat him up. So clearly he’s at least strong enough to go toe to toe with Spidey
@@guldmattbb473 It also shows that this Spiderman is a veteran that his first story mission has him beating what was his primary villain in Fisk, that and the fact that hes faced almost his entire primary rogues gallery prior to this.
Just the museum part alone has her look at a sword and say "oh yeah, I remember that Fisk apparently used this sword to almost kill Peter and that he was a bloody mess after that fight"
Hell, I know this is kinda cheating, but we see in the tie-in comics for this game a handful of flashbacks of when Peter and Mary Jane broke up and in them, Peter was a bloody mess
I'm curious as to how in-universe logic explains how Fisk becomes as strong as he is. PS Spider-Man. Spider-Verse. He's built like a building and hits like a city block.
How does he become this strong?
@@concept5631he's just built different clearly
Im so glad this video exists, I remember watching about 40 minutes of the original video a few months back and getting angry about how bad his claims were. Its one thing to not like things but another to strait up lie to justify why he doesnt enjoy it
Some of his points are good though, and the fact that you didn't watch through it shows me you don't like criticism. I like the game but i very much agreed with him cause he makes good points, especially the experiment video, god that's an awful plot point
@@mateuszmateuszowydid he really have 2hrs of good criticism tho? All the good points he had, I've heard in shorter better videos
@@mateuszmateuszowylistening to 2 hrs of nonsense is justified because he has "a few" good points? Anyone can have a few good takes, doesn't exactly mean he's good at criticising shit. If Im watching a review, and it's glaringly obvious the person is mostly nitpicking and/or misinterpreting information to serve a non existent argument, why tf would I bother watching the whole thing? How does that imply that THAT person "hates criticism"?
@@kugeki6564 That is actually itself a good point, i do agree that some if not most of his points are nitpicks, the video should've been 40 minutes long, but it isn't...
@@lm_slayer1 To me you can't really fully criticise the video while not watching the full thing because you couldn't be bothered to
The guy critiquing the game's story clearly watched a Madvocate Flash video and wanted to do the same thing, he just chose a story that's actually good.
yep💀
He's even trying to sound like him too lol. Same energy and everything
@@stayblessed2it's sad because Spider-Mans story is a decent 7/10 imo (including every introduction to side quests) if it was a game with an actual bad story it wouldn't get hate.
It was average. At BEST.
@@Ratface0007 it's definitely above average , but having a the name of the most popular superhero helps a ton
I just wanna say, Otto didnt fail his whole life, he got screwed by a disloyal and greedy friend. We see him get shafted multiple times in just this story alone. From his perspective, he's just as justified as Spider-Man.
While true he shouldn’t have done what he did though we did get a cool suit out of it
@@oriandthesleepytime I do wonder how Otto would’ve turn out if he had a positive life and friends instead of a toxic one would Peter trust him would we get to see a superior spider-man without Otto taking peter’s body because frankly that suit badass
“The greatest problem with insomniac Spider-Man is that he follows Uncle Ben’s teachings and takes his own failures personally.” That is Peter in almost every universe. That is the character. To subtract that would be turning him into a Golden Age comic character.
one of the themes i see with horrible internet takes seems to be pretty consistent:
character flaws get VERY OFTEN mistaken for writing flaws. it makes a lot of youtubers absolutely abhorrent at their job of unpacking objective facts of the story compared to character personalities and decisions.
Exactly. This TH-cam “critics” can’t decipher the difference or understand that characters need flaws to be relatable
This just my conjecture, but in my own experience, people who overly criticize character flaws tend to also lack empathy. Their knee-jerk reaction of saying how "stupid" a character is for making a mistake comes of as a limited ability to be in the character's shoes.
@@J-manliI swear that people who hyper analyze super heroes focus on them being perfect heroes. But the major them with Spider-Man is he is human, a human with power sure but he has the great responsibility even at personal detriment. The odds are never in his favor and he’s gonna stumble but he’ll get back up
This happens because these idiots think critique is bashing the thing instead of analyzing in good faith.
Not just a TH-camr thing. A lot of people seem eager to cry "bad writing" or "plot hole" or "plot armor" so they can feel smug.
Damn that “just because you have great power doesn’t make everything your responsibility” goes hard
And that’s Peter’s biggest flaw
We need a part 2. It might really tax your mental health, but this is way too entertaining. I appreciate you taking the bullet for us, soldier
I can confirm it is entertaining
I want to see this dude destroy this video. His criticisms of the game are hilarious XD
It’s fun this guy review get destroyed by you, so many time nitpicking and contradict himself.
Jesus Christ and I may think he didn’t play the game and just went to watch the cutscenes or gameplay on TH-cam and same for the comics, probably he didn’t read them
@@TheDestroyerX My mother does not read comics at all and she would never reduce herself to a soulless bitch
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I genuinely thought the story telling in this game was the best storytelling in any spider-man game of all time and possibly even in all of Spider-Man media (minus some iterations in the comics. But I still think it beats some of the comics too)
At the end of the game I actually shed a tear during and after the Doc Ock fight
@@JohnDanielRay1 awesome.
There's this really cool thing you can do on TH-cam which is called scrolling.
play edge of time.
@@Slavic_Snake I had it on 360 lol
itsv and atsv are peak🗣️
I saw SK comment to someone saying "i dont care about the comics" when someone said "have you even read the source material" meaning his only knowledge of Spider-Man is really from the movies and TV shows which are just adaptations of the comics💀 i find that really funny
But it explains so much lol
@@odoplaydead5012comic accuracy for him is an excuse
Ya i saw a video where someone was saying venoms design in spiderman 2 was silly and that he looked like a jeepers creepers knockoff with the wings and that its not really venom. Welll if you actually read the comics you would know venom has wings. It just shows how many ppl are just culture vultures and not real fans. They only play the games because of the hype and popularity and thats the extent of their knowledge about spiderman
@@GigaChadDuPlessisI didn't know know he had wings, but went with it because i enjoyed it and don't know if comic lore a ton.
I seriously feel like this guy woke up and was like “how can i be different today” because theres no way. Theres actually no way someone can be THIS dense. Theres no way someone can see the best modern spiderman story and pick it apart this stupidly .
No he definitely did it so the video gets engagement and therefore equals money
Worse even, he is a madvokate wanna be
Renew Your Vows is the best modern spiderman. Not this😂. This Peter is missing too much of his OG characteristics to be considered the best
It’s definitely not the best. It’s a great story and game. Saying it’s the best Is hilariously wrong tho
@@Saint0999 nah this is the best modern spiderman that isnt on the pages of a comic book
The types of hits the Kingpin can take is a moot point because in almost every media, Spider-Man pulls his punches so he doesn't kill. If he has been at it for more than 8 years I'm more than sure he knows how much the Kingpin can take.
Yep. I think there's some comics that demonstrate this, such as when Doc Ock (in Spider-Man's body) was easily able to hit someone's lower jaw clean off from their skull, or when he faced off against the brainwashed Avengers.
@mercenarydelta7351 That would be correct and it was Scorpions jaw to be exact, it allowed the Doc to see clear as day that Spiderman is just being extremely merciful with them.
But how is he capable of tanking that very high fall in their fight?
@BattaHopper5650 if you watch the fight from beginning to end you will notice when ever it looks like Kingpin is about to hit the ground Spider-Man uses his webs to save him or Kingpin turns Spider-Man mid air to take the hit. The final one that breaks the ground is from Spider-Man jumping on Kingpin through the floor, but before he even hits the ground he is webbed up.
also kingpin is a juggernaut, the fact he can even move like that at his size should be evidence enough that he's superhuman
43:00 is actually explainable in a sense that there are two things that contextualize it. The first being Peter knowing his gauntlets are more powerful in how they hit doesn't necessarily translate to the potential of it's ability to tear through the webs. Especially when they look the exact same as the first encounter. The second is right after the first encounter Yuri asks if he knew a motive. Pete says he wasn't very talkative. So, Peter wears Herman down as you pointed out. Leading to "guys in masks might not be human".
Fun Fact: In the prequel book to this game called "Hostile Takeover", at one point in the story, Peter's scoping out an event that he believes is going to be attacked by Kingpin's men, it's really a trap to make Spider-man look bad (from what I can remember), and Peter jumps in because he was worried for MJ's safety. Nothing bad happened because nothing bad was going to happen, but Peter charged in and screwed things up because he prioritized MJ above everyone else. This is what leads to their break-up in the story and is almost exactly what happens with Standish in the game
Also, Dude criticized Spider-man for "pulling a CW Flash" then demanded he pull a CW Flash by having Peter appeal to Shocker's humanity. Peter's been dealing with Shocker for 8 years, he knows what would work and what wouldn't work, and pointing out the casualties (that never happen because nobody brings it up, not even Jameson when he's ranting about Spider-man. He only brings up the destruction of the chase, not any casualties).
He also seems to believe everyone can just pull anything out of their ass.
"Fisk should send in a bunch of guards to fight Spider-man because they're clearly all just waiting around in his office. It's not like Spider-man just took down all the guards between the entrance to the building and Fisk's office"
"Martin Li should just break all the supervillains out of the Raft on his own b corrupting everyone, it's not like it's been shown that using his powers drains him of energy (especially since he's shared his powers with others and re-absorbs them when he needs an extra boost)"
And with the FFH comparison of Peter "trying to weasel out" of a problem, the difference in FFH is that Peter doesn't believe he's up for the task. He's still dealing with the emotional backlash of Infinity War and Endgame and just wants a break, but still steps up in the end when he has to. He's 16 and allowed to have the flaw of not feeling good enough for a task
Isnt that still not Peter's fault cause Kingpin tricked him? He didn't know nothing wss going to happen, he thought that something was so he jumped in.
And it makes sense that Peter is overprotective considering all the people he's lost so its still not a justfiable reason to just dump him if he only cares about her safety.
I mean in this same prequel novel if I remember correctly Kingpin BLOWS UP a building where Peter's female coworker was at and kills her. Its not like Kingpin is someone he should ever give the benefit of the doubt too
@@no.1spidey-fan182 The bottom line is that Peter fell for the trap because he prioritized MJ. It’s an understandable mistake, but it was the straw that broke the camels back for Peter’s and MJ’s relationship. Throughout the entire story, Peter’s been protective of MJ, telling her not to pursue anything related to Kingpin. While he is understandably right to tell her not to write anything about him because it puts a target on her back, we also have the context of MJ feeling insecure about not being able to help. Both are in the right in their own ways, it’s the miscommunication and certain actions that led to the relationship falling apart.
And if I remember correctly, Kingpin didn’t order the restaurant to be blown up, that was the guy pretending to be Spider-man going AWOL (as shown throughout the story) because his mental problems led him to truly believe he was the real Spider-man and his life was stolen by an imposter
@@moviehermit5631 MJ is not in the right in any way in this situation.
@@moviehermit5631He just really really doesn't want a Gwen Stacy moment XD
What is the full form of FFH?
Mistakes and incorrect descisions are litterally what makes us human. Flaws in us are supposed to be learned from so we can improve and become better overtime. This is litterally what MJ is going through in this game. She may not be correct every time, she may make stupid mistakes, and she may be too overconfident, but that is a realistic character flaw for her to explore and develop from to improve and become a better person. So I don't know why the hell this man talks down on her this much but it simply makes no sense. This is honestly my favorite version of MJ because it reminds me of *my* flaws which is the purpose of a character. She's honestly well written in this game me personally.
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Yh and theres a way to writer flawed characters aka Renew Your Vows MJ and a way to mess up that sentiment almost completely aka the inconsistency of Isomniac MJ
MJ is one of the best nonpowered fictional characters ever written because she seems to have BOUNDLESS COMPASSION, which matches thay of a superhero. Its the MAIN thing she and Peter bond on because they're very different on the surface level
Hence why she goes out ro save people EVERY time she gets spider powers
MJ has ALWAYS been flawed. Insomniac just made her ANNOYING because her reasons made no sense and her apologies fall flat when she repeats the behavior
This isn’t how the game treats MJ’s nonexistent arc you’ve conjured up in your own head cannon. Just because people make mistakes doesn’t mean they’re completely devoid of morals. Insomniac’s Mary Jane is an absolutely reprehensible individual. She risked the entire planet to a contagious disease because of ego.
@@SoyboyPeter @no.1spidey-fan182 SK will fall. And I will be there to laugh in his disgrace. And see the two of you and SK in coffins underground.
@@SoyboyPeter Nobody is conjuring head canon I literally adressed the MJ points using the games writing and dialogue and common sense lmfao
I love how the point about Fisk’s server room being in a public building is described as if he’s insinuating random ass civilians would just be allowed to waltz in there
like I get that that wasn’t the point but it sounded like it
The server room had armed guards
That's like no security at all
23:43 I might also add, as someone who works in IT, a business as big as Fisks absolutely does not grant public access to the server rooms, just by pure principle of a server room containing all the data a business possesses.
Only a small amount of staff will have the clearance to enter.
I don't even work with anything involving it and I knew the server rooms are not publicly available sk is just an idiot
I just completed this game, i thought the story was good but could see how someone wouldn't like it but every single time this guy spoke it was like a Just the Facts with J. Jonah Jameson segment.
Now that you said it, a lot of his complaints with the story sounds like something Jameson would come up with lmao
@@ayrtonjoga Part of me wished Jameson was portrayed again by JK Simmons ironically. Because after No Way Home he's still the chad of portraying extremist periodists. Well at least we have Simmons doing it again in Across the Spider Verse
At least the "Just the Facts" segments were funny to listen to, S.K.'s talking points were just miserable lol
Ah come on Jameson is at least funny this guy ain’t
The only time I ever *truly* got upset with MJ was when she snuck into that sable base looking for Charles Standish, he points a GUN at her and Peter, seeing another person he loves in danger, rightfully acts. She then proceeds to berate him, ignoring the fact that he was, you know, seeing an ex he STILL LOVES IN DANGER and the last time he had his powers and didn’t do anything to stop someone, his uncle died.
Exactly.
Not to mention all the other people he has lost like his Parents. Peter being overprotective is part of his character. Which comic MJ actually unserstands when she is written properly
I was annoyed at that too... until I put myself in MJ's shoes. This would have brought up emotions she assumed buried, or at least healed. This leads to all the emotions and stresses coming back all at once from their break up... ... I've been there. It's the furthest thing from rational you are. And we see MJ learn from it. Eventually.
Like Peter, MJ is a flawed human being. And like Peter, she learns to accept that and own up to her mistakes with an apology for all of it.
@@WFanatic502 Like…I understand her emotions and all that, I really do. I too know what it’s like to be treated in the same manner as MJ, it’s just I think there really had to be a better moment to let all those emotions out.
@@WFanatic502
Peter's flaw is understandable, what with him being the costumed crusader with the superpowers and gadgets, allowing him to fight other guys with superpowers and gadgets and understandably thinking a normal human can't. It's a flaw that allows us to sympathize with him, feeling bad for him that he's putting such a burden on himself and feeling happy when he finally relaxes and realizes he's not alone in all this chaos he's in.
MJ is a normal human that could easily get hurt or killed by the militant mercs and the crime syndicates, and whose injury and death would put Peter through untold amounts of grief he hasn't felt since Uncle Ben. You CAN'T sympathize with her, because what she's doing is MAD stupid to anyone with a brain and makes her look like a bitch when Spidey does what Spidey does and tries to save her, most notably in a situation where all he sees is her in a dangerous place and a dude holding a gun at her with no context of what's happening inside that room, understandably think the worst and acting accordingly. This isn't a flaw that makes her look good and look better when she gets over it. This is a flaw that makes her look insufferable and elicits an "about damn time" feeling when she does get over something that shouldn't have been there to begin with.
To bring up another point on how Martin Li knew that the file was in the statue, Peter mentions to MJ(literally right after the mission) that Li has a degree in art history-specifically Japanese-so knowing that Fisk is in possession of said statue(because Fisk was putting them on display)Martin Li would know exactly what said statue could due and came to simple conclusion.
Oh come on now, part of Otto’s characterization throughout every media he’s appeared in IS that he doesn’t know when to quit and has more faith in his work and ability to perform than he has. It was the whole reason for Spider-Man 2, he didn’t want to shut down the reactor because “it’s only a minor hiccup”
So “why doesn’t Otto just shut it down before the grant committee arrives?” Because it’s literally part of his character
You probably make this point, I’m still watching, but wow lmao
It’s weird because SK actually defended the game from the equally stupid Young Defiant.
But then again…he made claims that Spectacular Spider-Man is overhyped…
Bro, that guy lost all potential of me listening with that one. Spectacular spider man was my child hood
Youngdefiant is such an obvious troll lol
Young defiant is a troll whereas sk seems serious lol
SK has shown that he doesn’t really understand what Insomniac was trying to do with the characters. Hell I would go so far to say he doesn’t understand Spider-Man as a character in general…
I highly doubt he would understand Young Defiant is a troll….
Because youngdefiant NEVER makes reasonable points and insults people for simply ENJOYING the things he talks about, even people who hate a lot of things and have bias can't stand that.
The whole “don’t stop to talk” thing that runs throughout the whole video seems to be from Madvocate’s CW Flash videos, but the difference between CW Flash and Insomniac Spider Man is that CW Flash continues to talk on and on and on to the criminals that by the time he’s ready to fight they sucker punch him, knock him down and get away, Spider Man talks during a fight but at least he talks and fights at the same time instead of having a whole conversation while standing and doing nothing. So I don’t see a reason why he calls out Spider Man talking to criminals because at least he’s also fighting them.
Stuff like Nostalgia Critic and Everything Wrong With have ruined some people’s ability to critically analyze media. It all boils down to “I wouldn’t do that so it’s wrong”
To be fair to the Nostalgia Critic, I doubt it's his actual thoughts on what movie he's reviewing. It's the characters thoughts not Dougs.
@@frozenfoxgames5300 which is why most ppl tend to prefer his Doug Walker videos with his brother on films more
“Just because you have great power, doesn’t mean that everything is your responsibility.” Holy shit.
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My favourite part about him saying the Sinister 6 could’ve killed Peter at the RAFT, is how many times he brings it up and that they should’ve. The Sinister 6 is a revolving door of members. But if we take a look at Spectacular Spider-Man, we have Ock, Shocker, Electro, Sandman, Rhino, and Vulture. A near identical team yet Peter beats them as a group, in a fight, and not separately. Peter in Spectacular Spider-Man has had his powers for less than a year by the time the series ended. I’m pretty sure Peter lost the fight at the top of the RAFT, was because the area they were fighting in was a small roof. And Peter is definitely not going to let 5 of his rogues gallery just go because he retreated.
The entire video was a mess. But I love the chaos sometimes and just laugh at how sometimes people can be so wrong. This video was a real treat. Thanks for the content, and you didn’t have to suffer through someone’s baboon brain behaviour of a video. But we appreciate it.
Hell, Peter was kinda kicking their ass for a bit until Scorpion poisoned him
also i cant remember who but one of the sinister six literally say "he wants him alive" before doc ock who shows up and then says "this is your one and only warning" and this guy is like"SiNiStEr SiX sHoUlDvE KiLlEd HIm"
Remind me if Peter ever beat the Sinister Six himself, because I genuinely don’t remember.
What I *do* remember is that Venom took over Peter’s body and beat the Sinister Six in that show, so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison.
Couldn't he separate them one by one cause most of them cant fly and spam a bunch if gadgets😂? I mean 3 gadgets are mission confirmed in canon so Peter COULD have one...the story just didnt WANT him to🤷♂️
@@aionicthunder In season 2, without the symbiote, he takes them out again but one by one not all together
As I go through this video, its become pretty evident that S.K. is trying to emulate Madvocate's Flash analysis videos, but even Mad makes a lot of points that S.K. is against.
He has a problem with Fisk getting beat into a wall while Mad actively advises Multiplying Man get bashed in the head with a pole, because both of these characters know how to control their strengths. Even with the argument that Peter wouldn't know who shocker is in this incarnation, Shock is easily able to output a greater level of destruction so it would just be weird that he'd die by being crushed by some scaffold
How would he not know who Shocker is in this incarnation? He talks about Shocker like he's familiar with him (even sarcastically calling him a teddy bear before their first confrontation in the game, which implies they've fought before), actively calls him by his real name, and Shocker even reacts to Spider-Man showing up with a frustration that seems like he's done this before. Spider-Man and Shocker have clearly crossed paths before this game.
Your arguments for MJ made me realise I was a bit harsh on her too. I was also pretty dumbfounded at her sneaking into a Sable base against Peter's wishes. But like you said "she was able to actually do it so it means she WAS capable".
Wow, I actually had not considered that with the whole MJ & Peter argument. Not saying I agreed with the whole of S.K.'s review, but I did initially agree with the MJ portion of his review video. But after hearing your points, it's made me re-evaluate MJ's character and learn that she did evolve for the better in the game. No idea why I was so blind to all that. Thank you, man! 😊👊
Same
I guess you could say it’s the games fault for not making the change more noticeable (then again the writers aren’t gonna treat us like babies) I’ve seen too much hate for this character just because she had a character arch.
Although she maybe grew, it doesnt make her character less annoying. Peter had all the good arguments on his side and it was proven by several instances where she literally would have died if Peter wouldnt have been there to save her. While Im getting her point of wanting to help and be independent and that including risks, she was beyond reckless in her approach, proving Peters point.
And instead of thanking Peter for protecting and saving her, she is giving him shit for it.
In my opinion the angle they were going for was not executed well and they pulled the trigger too late in the story.
@@Phyrraxapart from the Tombstone one, where she legit had the danger of being killed but was necessary else Peter wouldn't have been able to pinpoint Tombstone so fast, all Sable breakins were completely safe from a life or death standpoint. Sable were ordered to shoot on sight for Spiderman or the Demons, not normal civillians. The worst case about them catching MJ would be arrest and even then she can get herself freed. As for giving shit, she that was honestly a horrible mistake but she accepted it and asked for forgiveness.
Yeah same. I initially agreed with sk but as the video goes on, I saw how stupid his points are and what MJ's arc was supposed to be.
People who treat fictional characters like they are real people confuse me. They act like the character willingly is acting in such way on their own, not like someone wrote them that way.
It's not even that that really gets to me, it's more how some people will act like any characters having any flaws and not making the best possible decision every time are somehow bad characters.
@@faultyvideos2215
Exactly! People seem to want characters to act like literal robots that make nothing but the utmost smartest and most logical decisions without any margin for error. But, like… people don’t do that. People make decisions based on what feels right to them, people make bad choices, and a character making a bad decision that is in line with who they are and what they want in that moment is not bad writing
@@faultyvideos2215You don’t know that it’s possible to have character flaws without character assassinations do you?
@thegreatnecromancerofmiddl3937 yes, it is in fact possible to have your character be flawed without them making a major decision so ridiculously out of character that it ruins the character for some, and Spider-Man for PS4 gives a terrific example of this
They were literally wrote (programmed) that way.
I would also like to point out something about SK’s critic about Frisk’s security in a world of superheroes and villains thing: he shows the Rhino, probably the 1 guy in the game who does not give a rat’s ass how tough a security system is, his answer is the same and the result will be the same: running straight through it
As a big spider man since I was like four and one who wants to be writer, I can’t help but lose my mind when this man made mind numbing points to criticize a story, that’s in a video game and is a spider man game. So Thank you. Everything you have said, has been what I was thinking about since I saw that video and it’s been driving me
Crazy, especially with his spectacular spider man videos.
Okay, you have your opinion and I have mine so if you really think SK is right, than you have right to think he’s right so..yea.
@@kaydencurtis6620 yeah and people have a right to dunk on him
Agreed, I mean I personally wouldn’t try to, but as long as it not very offensive to their character they’re fine ( unless they said some terrible things and have done terrible things the I think it’s justified.)
Even looking at the titles and thumbnails of some videos is enough to not want to watch them, for me. I haven't seen his NWH videos because the thumbnail and titles look like it's gonna be another bashing session of the movie (even though it was still amazing, nostalgia aside).
Did anyone watch those videos and can let me know how they were? I hate people bashing over these types of films.
The furthest I go with “it’s not realistic” in movies or games is me seeing a bug in the physics engine and going “wow these physics are incredible!” Or if I see a massive plot hole in a movie or game I’m like “did the writers just forget”
If the writers forgot, that means they must’ve only went through one draft of their script. Which shows and careless and thoughtless the writer is.
The writers forgetting is the WORST excuse💀
It is a very big and damning problem if the writers forget.
A writer forgetting part of their story is like a car manufacturer forgetting a screw. Seems minor until a piece flies off and through someone's windshield.
If we were going for realistic when it came to Spider-Man than this is the story. Once day Peter went on a field trip and got bitten by a spider exposed to radiation. The bite infected his blood and he died as a result. The end.
@@no.1spidey-fan182 db fans when Toriyama fucks up
With Fisk fighting Peter it is established that not only Fisk and Peter have fought before, but that at least once, Fisk beat him (in the gallery mission we hear M.J bring up a time Fisk, and I quote "Cut Peter open like a pork sausage." with a sword) so as fat as he is concerned, he has at least a good chance of winning.
17:19 I literally met up with my ex a month after we broke up and we had a sit down conversation about everything. And the conversation between Peter and Mj was so realistic. We both talked about why we broke up to release baggage between each other and to not let it be as messy as it was. Dude In the original video has not talked to a women istg. Like you have to talk about the past rather than moving as if nothing happened
Characters are allowed to make mistakes. It’s part of what makes them so relatable to real people.
Like with Colins saying “fluition” multiple times instead of “fruition”.
Also the whole "oh spiderman kills demons by kicking them out" thing doesnt even apply to realife or whatever either because its shown in the game that whenever someone gets knocked off a building peter attatches a web ball to them that safely sticks them to the wall, so he likely did that to any demon or thug he does stuff like this to in the cutscenes.
Also, even if that weren't the case, people like SK maybe need to spend some more time on TV Tropes so they know what "Gameplay and Story Segregation" is.
The thing is when spider-man threw the goon, he intentionally threw him at the other goons so he doesn't get severely injured.
The way Martin Li's powers are worded, it could either mean Martin can mind control people by touching them, or people touched by his energy can get corrupted.
But regardless, the guy who, blew himself up, was definitely corrupted by Li.
Depends on what he needs probably
dude, you’re right about pretty much everything in this video. don’t let insomniac haters on Twitter or any other platform change your opinions. I look forward to more S-M content, hopefully less rants though.
Holy shit, that guy was infuriating at points but I'm happy you were there to debunk all of his bullshit! I haven't played this game in over a year but even I remembered a bunch of the specifics he tried to use as proof. Great video ❤
Sometimes people just hate for the sake of hating, it really exists in every media and the guy who made this argument of insomniac spider man's story being horrible is no exception fr.
Good video! I'm subscribed now
I thought he just made the video because controversy on youtube usually means a garenteed algorithm boost
Yo, I am soooo glad youtube recommended this video. I watched SK's video a while back and made some comments debunking his "criticisms." Like I made a comment saying that his criticism about Spider-Man killing people can be chalked up to "it's just a video game and the developers were trying to come up with some cool for the player to enjoy watching." Then that dude's rebuttal was."I am talking about the times Spider-Man kills in a cut scene. It's ok for him to do this stuff in gameplay." And then I basically repeated what I said, emphasizing that whether it is in a cut scene or game play, it still is not showing Spider-Man killing people." If Spider-Man actually killed people, the developers would have shown it, and JJJ would DEFINITELY use that as evidence for why Spider-Man is a menace. But he never talks about Spider-Man killing goons.
Also on the Shocker point, Shocker has a sheild. Peter cant hit through it. He jas to throw rocks at it. He understands that the big metal thing wont kill him. You also see the sheild buckle and disappear impling it absorbed the impact.
The shield isn’t covering the yellow parts of shocker’s suit. Actually pay attention to the media you leap to defend next time.
@@SoyboyPeterHow does that matter in any way
@@SoyboyPeterAlso, what are you on about yes it does. Stop lying so you can blindly hate and nitpick on something you dislike
@@SoyboyPeterAnd... how, pray tell, do you male a force field to not protect some parts? Why would you go to the extra effort to design vulnerabilities on purpose?
@@WFanatic502 The force field didn’t stop the giant object from falling on top of Shocker. Considering the weight of the object, it should have cleaved him in half.
Another potential reason why the demons break Shocker out is to distract Spider-Man and keep him off their trail longer.
The tragically short lived and excellent Spectacular Spider-Man actually has this as a plot point. Tombstone (who was basically Kingpin because the writers didn't have the rights to him) had his henchmen constantly being stopped by Spider-Man and that was cutting into his profits. But Tombstone realized that whenever a super villain was destroying everything he could continue his criminal actions without Spider-Man noticing. Tombstone actually then employs Norman Osborn to make more super villains.
@purpleemerald5299 hell Spider-Man literally ended up doing exactly what he offered to pay him for free. He even calls this out.
Unfortunately, critical thinking is no longer a common theme anymore. Great video and fantastic points on your part!
Im glad that you keep pointing out the humanity of Peter, with him making mistakes. I think there are a lot of people that just think that since he is a superhero, he is ineffable. Stan Lee himself said that Spider-Man is such a great hero because he is a human. He has the same struggles as a regular person, so he is easily relatable. This guy in the video talks about the Insomniac Spider-Man as if he should be completely perfect, and that will never be a trait for Spider-Man.
Also about the statue in the auction house. If I remember correctly how the mission played out, the tour guide opens the door and then gets a phone call from someone else at the Bugle. She finds out that MJ isn’t supposed to be there and is “pissed off” according to MJ. It wouldn’t be unsurprising if she wasn’t thinking straight and forgot to lock the door while yelling at the guy on the phone
1:40:12 Peter in FFH in this scene literally says, "Sir, I really want to help. I do." He just thinks he can't. There's a difference.
Exactly. He’s not trying to weasel out of it he just wants to leave the job in more capable hands
And he is right because heroes like Captain Marvel and Thor and more powerful than him and have dealt with these types of situations more so they would be better suited for these tasks.
I agreed with his point of "Mary Jane doing the irresponsible thing of not calling Peter when there's a potential viral pandemic that could emerge is an unbelievably bad move for her character." That's an understandable argument. You are also correct that he didn't fairly evaluate her change by the end of the plot and the fact that the game doesn't say Peter is wrong.
I wasn't too much of a big fan of the "Don't stop to talk." nitpicks, though. "Talking is a free action" is a trope for a reason. If someone actually died because Peter was quipping too much, then I'd get it, but that's never set up as a thing.
not to mention peter quipping is one of the biggest parts of his character to the extent that when he’s not quipping people are actually terrified IN UNIVERSE because it’s such a quintessential part of his character
@@Virgil191Hel, there's a moment in the game where Peter DOESN'T SPEAK when approaching a criminal, and the dude just immediately folds and tells him what he needs to know 😂
@@ShadowKamehameha32 exactly like bro complaining about SPIDER-MAN quipping is like complaining about superman being from space like it’s just an essential part of their character that has always been a thing
Honestly when Peter did that I honestly was just amazed, because it shows how in this moment, Peter is being very serious and the guy know something is very wrong when Spidey isn’t cracking jokes.
I believe the don't stop to talk criticism is valid because there are people that might be hurt or will be hurt if he's not finish the job and he should know it.
Yo dude, I noticed your channel gained nearly 16 thousand subs in 14 days. Congrats! You made a genuinely good defense to these anti cinematic cinema critics, and I find that your efforts matched the reward.
“Why didn’t this character make the most rational and informed decision?” is such a lazy and dishonest criticism and it sadly is becoming more and more common. People say they want flawed characters who make mistakes rather than perfect Mary Sues. Yet when they get flawed characters they complain and call it bad writing when the characters aren’t perfect and make mistakes. It’s almost like these “critics” have no idea how writing actually works
I haven't seen SK's video, but from what I've seen here, I am inclined to believe that he would make the following argument:
SK: *shows a clip of him playing the game and sending a rocket to an opponent*
Also, SK: "Well, that guy is dead. Spiderman just threw a rocket at this person's face. Once again, Spiderman has broken his no-kill rule.
10:04 finally somebody says it. Characters making poor decisions is NOT a flaw of the content, it’s simply how the characters are written, if they weren’t written to be somewhat flawed then stories would be boring
Yea that might be the worst review I’ve ever seen in my life. 50% nitpicks that don’t make sense because they’re complaining about nonexistent problems or just complaining about the game not being perfectly realistic even though it’s a fucking video game, then 45% Him contradicting himself by complaining when something happens and then complaining when it doesn’t happen) and 5% Him completely missing/ignoring aspects of the story and complaining about how it doesn’t make sense.
You literally just summed the video up. The guy just complains about things that don’t matter, then when he does complain about the actual topic, he gets it so wrong that it’s hilarious
I love him trying to make a point of Spider-Man cracking jokes and doesn’t know he does it to cope with stress.
My brother in Christ that’s literally one of many relatable things about Spider-Man as a character 😂
That’s something I could never wrap my head around, is that Spider-Man cracking jokes and talking to the villains is a bad thing when it’s what he’s known for. He said, “Spider-Man should just tackle Shocker and restrain him without talking,” while I just thought, “dude, did you miss the box of this game? In case you didn’t realize it, we aren’t playing as Batman in this game.”
@@tobyjack1238 Exactly, plus the reasons why he does it is for two things
One it distracts the people he’s trying to stop
Two it helps calm innocents down that he’s saving by breaking the tension
And threw it helps keep him calm by again breaking the tension.
I know a lot of people who work high stress jobs who do the same for reasons two and three listed above.
Aye. Another thing is that Peter is strong. Insanely strong.
In the comics where Doc Ock takes over his body, he realizes that Peter was pulling his punches when he *literally* punched a villain's lower jaw clean off their skull.
@@mercenarydelta7351 Literally yeah it’s insane for a street level fighter just how strong Peter is and how much he holds back
Creaking jokes because he's nervous or because of stress is a modern Spider-man trait, not OG. For decades Spider-man told jokes to throw his enemies off and because he's a jerk, not because he's scared of who he's fighting.
What's sad is people in the comments agreed with the guy. I even commented with a rebodle but the YT and others came at me and said how some story beat made no sense. Like bro, read between the lines
I think Cinema Sins ruined movie reviews, they made nitpicking the smallest shit ever popular.
Yeah, I noticed that S.K. tends to make a lot of nitpicks when I watched his Spectacular Spider-Man season 1 video. I did think he made a couple of good points in that video, but when it came to stuff like “why didn’t this villain use this to kill him right away” or something I just thought “Dude, it doesn’t matter all that much. These are supposed to be fun to watch and if that happens it’d take all the fun out of it.” I respect the guy, but some of his points can verge on being *extremely* nit-picky.
Couldn’t have explain it better myself.
Yh its superheroes so you have to just turn your brain off sometimes😂. Villains do dumb things ALL the time so them being imcompetent is just in the trope at this point. Thats why when character like Spot in Across the spiderverse BREAK this mold and get to the point they become icons
@@no.1spidey-fan182 turning off your brain doesn’t always make a superhero story enjoyable in fact it never works most of the time unless your watching Something really stupid.
Why even bother establishing that a villain has a super powerful weapon that can end the fight instantly? It makes them look stupid when they don’t use it.
@@SoyboyPeter than the plot be over with why are you acting like your expecting that to happen in the story.
I only discovered your channel about a month ago when your Insomniac Spider-Man power scale video randomly appeared in my feed. Clicking on that was one of the best decisions I've made on TH-cam. Haven't seen you miss yet. Love finding someone that appreciates this game and Spider-Man in general as much as I do.
25:31 There's literally a scene in that fight scene where Fisk throws Peter through a concrete wall Reinforced with steel beams and then punches a pipe, causing it to burst.
Yeah, he would have died from that. Like what?
But the fall is what would of done it😂
The whole diving into the game's plot made me excited and curious to see what would happen if peter was the one who was aggressive with MJ instead in spider man 2. How she would react and what would peter do after she reacts, so on and so forth
This is the kind of criticism that cares about little details and logic rather than having a thematic or narrative reason.
Like, no it doesn’t necessarily make logical sense that the Death Star has one glaring, albeit small, weakness to the Death Star. But on a narrative level it’s indicative of their arrogance that they don’t notice the little things that the ragtag rebels can exploit.
I don’t think that the Death Star having a small weakness is illogical. It’s literally the size of a small moon it would be a miracle if there weren’t any weaknesses
@@S.R.1977 Kinda missing my point there… It’s something nitpicky people pointed at for years. Bad faith criticism that ignores what it’s meant to represent in favor of boring logic.
I hate that this dude does the “don’t stop to talk” gimmick from the flash is insufferably inconsistent videos, but not only is he stealing a joke from that, it’s not even a valid criticism because when it is done for the Flash, it is because he could solve any situation so quickly that no person would be able to react, whereas Spider-Man is not fast enough to be capable of doing that.
Am I the only one that actually likes the MJ and Miles missions? Don't get me wrong, I totally get why people don't like them, but I can't bring myshelf to hate them. Personally, I find them to be a small break to remind you how powerfull Peter actually is, and how the normal people see and feel this larger than live events. And I find the gameplay entertaining too. I like to sneak past the enemies, being actually scared that the will see me. With Peter, most of the time, If you're spoted, It starts a fight, yet he doesn't die instantly. Miles and MJ are vulnerable, so this scenes are more tense.
I don't know, I really like them and the character of MJ in this game in general.
I thought i was the only one ngl 😂😂😂
I like them to and honestly because of the same reasons as you
I don’t hate them, it’s just they can get a little boring after awhile, but I don’t hate them because they offer more to the story and give MJ and Miles something to do, which I’m fine with. Sure, it’s crazy that they would risk their lives like this because they don’t have any powers (in Miles’ case he didn’t) but I guess they’re just a heck of a lot braver than I’ll ever be. They give more to the story and characters and that’s what I like most about them.
I enjoyed them too. Most people don't like stealth missions in their actions games (which is why I think people hated them) but if there is a stealth option to something, I will do it pure stealth for as long as capable (unless its Far Cry 5 or Payday 2 then I'll restart the entire segment until I don't get caught)
@@AlphasnowbordergirlI've done the same thing in this game like a cople thousand times. My little brother usually screams at me every time I do It.😂
Some things can be explained;
First - As Spider-Man drags that goon through the window, he smashes it with his feet, not the goons head, and when tossing him, you can see he lands on other goons on his back.
Second - The towers were just a gameplay mechanic to unlock the map, much like games such as Assassins Creed.
Third - Anytime Spider-Man launches a goon off a roof, notice how everytime they have a trip mine attached to them, same can be easily applied to anyone flung from moving traffic.
I love when people criticize characters for their flaws and developing characteristics like it’s an issue
The top comment on his video is a comments full of racist reply and people saying it is so woke. What a great person S.K. is.
I’m sure he’s a very mentally balanced person who doesn’t REEE every time someone that doesn’t look like him is in media
@@thegoldavenger.3829e is so mentally unstable he made two video of almost 2 hours eache about how bad spectacular spider-man is. Yeah.....at this point it is to late
Edit: didn't watch theme, I have other shit to do.
It's funny how S.K is trying to copy Madvocate and his "The Flash is Infuriatingly Inconsistent" series, but it just doesn't work because unlike "The Flash" and it's trash writers, Spider-Man PS4 is actually a game that the developers put their all in, with $100 million being poured in through the course of 4 years.
Spider-Man ps4 is the perfect definition of style over substance. The game tricked people into thinking its masterpiece with its technical achievements while still failing at storytelling and gameplay. This game has a terrible story mediocre gameplay. They spent most of the budget on the graphics.
the “don’t stop to talk” bit only works with the Flash because he has SUPERSPEED, he should absolutely be able to come in, instant K.O., leave. spider-man can’t do that without possible hostages being killed.
@@hidden_block They could even fix that if they nerfed barry, make him get exhausted while trying to tap the speedforce, low carbs or whatever. Anything would give an solid explanation on the matter
@@SoyboyPetersure bud
@@Lulu-ew7oh And the funny thing is, SK was doing long form video critiques 9 months before Madvocate did his first flash video
32:47 In addition to this, let's just play along with S.K. and use in-universe logic. Pete hid most of these backpacks in areas that are hard for the average civilian to get to (without heavy machinery or ladders). I doubt they would make all that effort just for a backpack. Same with Spidey's villains, why would they care about a backpack, hidden or not? How would they know or care what was in it? (Pete was actually big brain here IMO).
But even taking into account ALL of that, if they found all this stuff in his backpack, why would they care? Sure it has Spidey stuff and personal stuff, but most honest people would just turn it in or assume it was a megafan of Spidey (like we assume the movers did with the stuff in his apartment when Pete got evicted). Or they'd leave it alone bc they know it's Spidey's and most of them love and respect him.
Are these guys friends now?
It’s complicated. But they don’t have beef anymore and seem to have mutual respect. They even do streams together
@@JDMaverick6714 so basically yes
The only thing i disagree with is that we can't create an iron man suit or a small sun in real life because we are actually getting closer to this reality
I wouldn’t know it was just a small example, but also that stuff is never going to work like how it does in the movies
@@C0LIN. That's fair loved the video though
What S.K. is either ignoring or just isn't aware of, is that Spider-Man is *ALWAYS* pulling his punches, because if he didn't he *would* be killing people with his super-strength. But since he holds back and doesn't use his full force, he's only ever striking his enemies with enough force to fight them - not kill them.
Keeping this fact in mind, like 80% of S.K.'s nitpicks are made complete mush.
Also it is well known that Spiderman doesn't use his full strength unless he has too. Spiderman can easily kill people with his strength but he holds back. We see how strong he is when he stops the train in Spiderman 2....but he never killed anyone in that film or any subsequent film.
Another thing is that i don't think the guy notices is that everytime Peter kicks a bad guy into a seemingly dangerous situation he webs the guy to prevent them from getting hurt. It's a blink & you miss it moment that the creators subtle put in the game.
“just because you have great power, doesnt mean everything is YOUR responsibility” CHILLS, i know it was from someone else’s video, but i am so glad it was included in this one.
I gotta say, Spiderman PS4 is the greatest game I've ever played. Such emotion, gameplay, it's the perfect game.
The amount of effort you put into your videos is great
There is no effort in this video. He just used his fucking brain.
Yeah. He does good work.
This dude is trying to claim that it’s unrealistic for people to not make the most rational decisions possible in every situation. Has this man ever been in contact with other people? Is he from planet Vulcan?
I have a couple of things to say about those StoryStreet clips, and I'll dip into some spoilers for the second game here and there even though this video was made before it was out.
I would argue to some extent against the idea that Peter sees everyone as one thing. Even in the first game, he knows Shocker is more than just a criminal, and he clearly expresses his belief that Tombstone can reform, despite the fact that he's introduced _killing someone._ Come the second game, this belief is proven correct as not only is Tombstone completely reformed, but Mysterio and Sandman as well. When Sandman relapses at the beginning, he says he wants to _help_ him, not stop him. This could be because of what he learned in the first game, but even in the first game he wanted to help Shocker when he realized he was being threatened.
Another thematic aspect of the game that's even stronger in the second game is the duality between Peter's two lives. He thinks he _has_ to be Spider-Man because he can, and anything he chooses not to do could lead to someone losing their Uncle Ben. He has a kind of messiah complex. _He_ has to be the one to fix every problem, no matter how small, because he's seen a seemingly small problem spiral into something much bigger and more tragic. _He_ has to stop every robbery, because one of those robbers could go on to kill someone. _He_ has to stop those guys in Central Park from harvesting private data, _he_ has to deal with that hostage situation, _he_ has to find out which cars are causing that pollution, _he_ has to fix that building's water pressure. Not only does this lead to him making problems worse when he rushes into things without a plan or tries to solve problems he's not qualified to solve (like when the water towers start leaking or in the helicopter chase mission where he endangers countless lives because he didn't secure the helicopter properly and poorly improvised a plan to stop it, causing a crane to nearly crush people, a wrecking ball to slam into countless buildings, and the helicopter's tail to barrel down the street at high speeds; seriously, if S.K. wanted to criticize Peter for endangering innocent lives, the helicopter mission is RIGHT THERE), but it also costs Peter Parker dearly. He prioritizes going after Fisk over paying his rent, which costs him his home. He repeatedly prioritizes being Spider-Man over his job with Otto, which eventually leads to Otto becoming a supervillain, costing Peter both a mentor and an aunt. His Spider-Man-ing also puts a strain on his relationship with MJ, who feels useless next to him. In the second game, he prioritizes fighting Sandman (his responsibility as Spider-Man) over his responsibility as a teacher, which costs him his job and in turn nearly costs him May's house. Due to this, MJ is left paying the mortgage which further strains their relationship. Then when he gets the black suit, he thinks he finally has the perfect solution. All that stuff he felt guilty about before? Jeff's death, May's death, Otto's descent into villainy? He thinks the black suit would have prevented all of it, and now he'll never have to feel guilty about anything ever again. But all it makes him do is focus all his efforts on being a better _Spider-Man,_ once again neglecting his responsibilities as Peter Parker. He still thinks _Spider-Man_ is the solution to everything. He neglects his responsibilities as a boyfriend to MJ, a friend to Harry, and a mentor to Miles. All of his relationships suffer because he thinks being the perfect Spider-Man is "everything everyone needs [him] to be." It's because of him neglecting his relationships that Harry becomes Venom. By the end of the game, he fully learns that being Peter Parker is just as important and just as helpful as being Spider-Man, so he decides to take a hiatus from superheroing to focus on his personal life. After all, he doesn't need superpowers to make a difference, and the stress of being Spider-Man was bad for his mental health and bad for everyone else in his life. It's a reverse of what we usually see in Spider-Man stories, where the moral seems to be that him being Spider-Man _is_ more important than his own mental health and financial stability, and he just needs to find a way to balance his hero life with his personal life, and I _love_ this reversal. It's such an unhealthy and dangerous message to send that your own wellbeing should come secondary to that of others, and I love that Insomniac is deconstructing that and instead saying "How can you expect to help anyone if you can barely function?" People should be encouraged to take breaks if what they're doing is getting in the way of their mental health or relationships, and they should learn that they don't need to shoulder _every_ burden.
the funniest takes to me is everyone treating insomniacs mary jane like she’s sam raimi’s adaptation of mary jane, ts is so fucking funny, even after she apologized near the end of the game and even took it a step further and learned her lesson in the dlc she is not the same mj from the main story bc this is a game about self development and sabotage NOT JUST WITH PETER PARKER but everyone around him this isn’t just a peter parker game this is a miles morales origin story, a continuation of a ongoing story for peter and mj, and origin story for otto octavious this is a 10/10 story with a 8/10 gameplay so damn near perfect imo but if this guy (and others like him) are gonna be this nitpicky about the FIRST game i wonder how they gonna be like in october 💀💀
i hate when people say things like "character made bad decision therefore writing bad"
i think a lot of the time it's just sexism cause a lot of these """""""""criticisms""""""""" have to do with women
36:04 To prove this point further, you could also look at the recent Star Wars game Jedi: Survivor. (spoilers for the rest of this comment)
In the beginning of Jedi: Survivor, Cal let's himself get captured to gain access to Imperial information on Senator Sejan's yacht, and the Empire thinks that Cal's way to destroy them is overconfidence. However, Cal reveals that he got captured on purpose and later on, Cal's crew of freedom fighters hold Sejan at gunpoint. I only type all of this because this also shows that the Empire are pompous and don't think that anyone could infiltrate in any possible way.
4:54 Hello, just a little side note here, we do actually have some context to what MJ is talking about. in the Spider-Man novel, Hostile takeover which serves as a prequel to this game, we say MJ in her early Bugle days, going to FIsk tower to interveiw Wilson, to which Peter constantly tries to talk MJ out of because he thinks it's too dangerous, even though he as done similar things in the past, this is one of many things from that novel that effectivly sets this up, anyway, just wanted to give my input as someone who has read the novel :)
He made a video on that novel
@@shardsoftime0952 ah okay, just thought I'd mention it since he said we had no context for what MJ was saying
Welp that was an experience. Definitely gonna need a part 2. I like your rebuttals and there is no way I can sit through this guy without hearing someone rebuttal his point with actual logic and common sense. Keep up the good work
You literally explained it perfectly 😂 the person is tryna make these fictions stories make sense into reality. If you use the same logic that guy is using then even movies like the dark knight or into the spider verse ain’t masterpieces.