Devoe was actually not stupid. He intentionally acted stupid to bait Madvocate to create another Flash video to enlighten the viewers of the inconsistency of the Arrowverse. The enlightenment did happen in the end.
A small nitpick. When Barry was arrested and later in the courtroom leaving for an emergency. There is no way a prime suspect in a murder case would be allowed to even move an inch without the police being present.
in crisis on Earth X, stein fuckin died on earth x, but SPEEDSTERS CAN FUCKIN TRAVEL WORLDS, so stein and everyone else wouldnt have gotten stuck on earth x to have stein fuckin die on earth x
Not a nitpick, Barry leaves the courtroom and seconds later Flash appears meaning a person with common sense & this knowledge, would know Barry is the Flash
In Injustice 2 when Flash fights Braniac there’s a really good intro dialogue that goes like this: Flash: “You can’t control me, Braniac!” Braniac: ”My intelligence far exceeds yours.” Flash: “My feet move faster than your neurons.” Which basically should’ve been every fight between him and the thinker
They could have literally made flash a weaker character by just making energy consumption his his greatest obstacle, making his use of speed a lot more calculative, giving the flash team more of a work around than just absolutely speed.
@@AnnamPrasanth Yea but it's not a hindrance. It could he used as a reason to not use his powers, and the talking he does could make sense that he's trying to talk them down so he doesn't have to use his energy.
@anishkr2567 I'm the show ge eats high calories bats because of this problem which affected him long term but with the solution we never see him eat a bar of it ever
@@ArthKrystHaving the Flash needing to actually accelerate instead of immediately being able to go super sonic would nerf him a lot too. It would be very comic inaccurate but at least you could have a show
I can even believe he's the smartest person on Earth - that Earth. There's a SF-story by Poul Anderson called Brain Wave, where it turns out that our solar system was under the effect of an energy-dampening field that hampered neuron activity. After the Earth leaves this field every human and even all the animals get way smarter. Every time i see stupidity on the level of the Flash i'm imagening their planet was just hit by the idiot-ray. Would explain a lot. Or in this universe the events of Idiocracy just started way earlier ...
1:26:20 Notice how she's at first fully capable of defending herself against DeVoe in an intelligent way, but AFTER training with team flash she decides to stop and talk? They really trained her well! 🤔
I like how 90% of the criticism of the show could have been avoided if they said something like "we need to collect data about the meta's power to adjust the power dampening cuffs"
Also if they added a bit in S1 where Barrey almost killed someone when he punched them at super speed So it’s not so easy for him to just tackle people down at super speed, he has to slow down first.
Or if they just said that Barry can't touch or move anyone at superspeed without doing damage, and that attacking someone in superspeed would kill them, which he has a code of conduct not to do.
Still wouldnt make much sense because be could still relocate them to Iron Heighs or P.A prision. And if they needed to collect data for that too, show wouldnt be logic, imagine have to build a personalized prision cell for each meta that shows up?
Also if they treated superspeed as a limited resource that they have to be careful not to deplete in case it’s really needed. I know that’s not how it works, but it would somewhat explain why Flash is always hesitant to use it. Like, he could go into bullet time for only a second of normal time before he’s too strained and weak to keep it up. That way it’s not OP, and if he’s already used bullet time that day it could be the reason he’s too slow in the following scenes.
When making this show the writers had two paths to choose: either commit to having Barry be OP and come up with creative ways for villains to outplay him, or commit to having a bullshit reason as to why Barry doesn’t use his speed to just end every confrontation immediately. Instead of choosing a path they just wandered off into the woods, got lost, and have been scraping by in a homeless mans tent, which results in so many scenes of Barry getting knocked down and just sitting there, refusing to use his powers for no reason other than plot convenience, while the villains monologue and then escape
Except they want to seem like they have reason why the flash cant beat anyone instantly by giving him this weird moral code which they dont even uphold themselves. Bary let himself get caught because he didnt want to cheat the system, but then he gets out of prison by cheating the system. He couldnt defeat Davoe immediately because "killing bad" but the way they finally defeat him is by basically killing him. It so dumb.
They could’ve easily made it so he can only be fast for very limited amount of time due to the amount of food he has to eat, and unless he’s in a good situation where he can refuel constantly, has to either finish the situation quickly or use speed sparingly. Saves budget as well, considering how they already make him just… stand there
@@pian-0g445 No, that wouldn't solve the problem that he can beat his enemies instantly. It's also just kind of stupid - a nutrition based limit to a superpower? That's just lame. No, you really should just make his enemies tougher. It's not even that difficult. Fog control man from the first episode of season 1? Wraps himself in fog completely and makes himself invincible no matter how fast Barry runs because he's covered all over. Duplicate man? Hides his real self away somewhere and only lets his clones wreak havoc, so Barry can't find him and stop him. Poison cloud man? Is always in cloud mod and is intangible, so Barry can't just grab him no matter how fast he is. Etc. etc. Even just using the same villains and powers, you can easily just make them be a challenge for Barry. The writers are just literally too stupid and lacking in imagination to do it.
@@Arphemiuswell it makes sense tho, all versions of the flash (and any other character with super speed) they need constant food intake to replenish the calories they lose while running, so it would make a lot of sense for it to be a weakness for him, it could at least weaken him or make him slower
@@ramsehannema9076 I mean you can make any rule work for any superpower if you really want to, but it's still kind of lame. Also, he could also eat at superspeed, so for that to become a problem he would always have to be "unlucky" enough to get hungry and not have anything ready to eat so that he is hungry and slows down just when there's a supervillain nearby. Seems weird, and all "conditional" superpowers are kind of more wacky and unappealing - "I am super strong, but only when I wear a pink trench coat and have petted a cat in the last 24 hours", it's always kind of weird. Honestly, just make the villains tougher, it really isn't that much of a problem.
Also it's worth noting that Iris' whole "yOu LEft mE!!!" routine was deliberately done in a room with someone who did not know Barry was the Flash. Therefore Barry is not allowed to simply respond with "The planet would have literally exploded." He is forced to pretend she is right because his only other options are to look like a manipulative piece of crap or reveal his secret identity to a random stranger. She set all of that up to force an apology out of him when he never did anything wrong. This is why people hate Iris. She's psychotic and incredibly entitled.
There’s so many times in this show where I question how Barry is still with her that scene and the scene where thawne is helping his daughter Nora in the future. Barry takes Nora back to the future after finding out because he cannot trust her at all. He knows anyone and anything to do with thawne is a red flag even if he says he wanted to help her. Well anyways after he takes Nora back iris flips out on him cause he just did it and took her back without talking together. Iris absolutely freaks out and Barry explains himself. After explaining what thawne means to him and his family iris says she actually just doesn’t care because it wasn’t her mom and her daughter is still gone. The most unsupportive couple I’ve ever seen and they are portrayed as a power couple. So selfishly wanted him to stay and let everyone die, and completely unsupportive wife over what is clearly the most scaring thing to happen in his life. Imagine when iris mom or Eddie was dying and she was crying about it if Barry just looked at her, went meh, and shrugged his shoulders.
@@spicyclips552 not even that man. After the therapy session just maybe pull her to the side and be like okay, I’ve said it already but I want you to hear it again… I did not in any way want to leave I had too, everyone’s lives were on the line. And pretty much in a nice way say get over it.
What’s more narcissistic than proving you’re more mature by owning up to your mistakes. It’s more believable and successful than your common garden variety narcissism. It’s a common tactic of communists and those of the woke persuasion. Though in the case of the latter it often manifests in admitting to a lesser crime.
@@deliciadeconta2596 Yeah. Then they ditched the actor due to nonsense allegations when twatter mob tried to cancel him. Then the show went even further downhill, as hard as it is to imagine that.
@@Grivehnit wasn’t allegations it was because of tweets that he indeed posted. However those were written by him several years before he even started to work on The Flash and imo those tweets obviously didn’t reflect the person he actually is/was at the time he got fired.
@@garrettcooper58 True, they thunkled really hard about character assassination rather than important stuff like common sense and remembering what they wrote 5 seconds ago
Love the repetition of seeing Atom Smasher, Sandman and Savitar being killed over and over by Team Flash, while lecturing others on the morality of murder. It never gets old.
@@dodojesus4529gotta get that three hour runtime somehow. I really like these videos, but let's be honest, this video could've easily been half the length it currently is. And that's still being generous.
I mean, it would've been better if they had woven the times they needed to kill into their hesitation to do it, but they act almost as if they have never taken a life at all in this season, and that's what really does it a disservice.
You know Season 4 must be real bad in comparison to Seasons 1-3 when the naming has changed from “Insufferably Inconsistent” to “Infuriatingly Inconsistent”.
I would love to see a remake of the flash which is just 10 mins each season of him acting intelligently and cuffing everyone, like an any% speedrun of the show.
Add in some sections with him trying to work through the villain of the week's personal problems, whether successfully or not, and it would become a kind of hilarious superhero therapy show.
I would like a remake of the show where someone who can actually play the Flash goes back in time and stops every Flash timestop event, causes another Flashpoint where the show is removed and the premier shows every episode being Thanos'd from the CW's website.
Only if they make the Flash pre-new 52 Wally. He has enough charisma and lovable energy to carry 10 minute shorts really well. Part of the problem with this show is CW didn't feel just a flash show would be interesting enough and heavily relied on side plots, extending plots, and using side characters to fill up time because Barry couldn't carry the show.
@@theendersmirk5851 no, nononononono. Grant Gustin way too whiney and emotional to play the stoic and cool-headed Barry Allen. Any piece of media has him freak out in DIRE situations but whenever Grant's Barry is inconvenienced by anything he has a meltdown.
My theory is that Barry actually perceives everything in flashtime constantly so by the time he turns around to see a villan has walked around a corner he's already forgotten about them
uhm, if he perceives everything in flash time then how does the moron, get hit by people, and loses to villains when they are right in front of him and not take them out, and if he perceives everything in flash time how does he talk, super slowly so other can understand???
i think irises superpower is gaslighting and manipulation and it works so well that most people in the flash tv show dont see how horrible of a character and a person she is.
And it is a real pleasure watching the so called fans just watch her act all pissed, take her side sometimes, and not see how much gaslighting and manipulative she is throughout the show👍
There's 1 extremely good reason why The Thinker is a terrible villain in this show. In comics, Barry is a gigantic nerd. He's a scientist, and a good one. He's super smart. Having a villain that he can't outsmart is a genuine threat to comic Barry. The problem in the show is that every single villain outsmarts him every single week
@@PrinceVegeta2134567that'd be an interesting antagonist for a non speedster DC character. A lightning manipulator with very minor super speed that pretends to be a speedster.
So everyone else is just pretending he's fast? Like a Truman show for metas, or like that movie (Bolt?) with the superdog who then realized he wasn't super.
I wonder if this show had hung on for one more season if they would've had enough of a sense of humor about themselves to do a scene where she says "don't stop to talk don't stop to talk don't stop to talk don't stop to talk."
I like how Barry is able to EASILY out run lightning but also at the same time is shown to have visual processing speeds that are worse than an average human. It is like they keep forgetting that a speedster needs to have utterly bonkers reaction times just to be able to run without constantly obliterating people around them like A-train from The Boys.
@@TheAcademicSavant "And his come would kill Iris." Haha, holy shit, how come I never thought of that? The moment he shoots his load, it would rip through her and shoot out of the top of her head like a bullet. A cum bullet. Nice.
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197Season 7 is just gonna be 5 hours long. I can't say about season 8 because i honestly couldn't tank it anymore and i quit watching that abomination of a show.
with the amount of stupidity shown it makes me think the creators DELIBERATELY make it stupid so we wouldn't take it seriously and would just turn out brains off, lol. There are some things that could be fixed with a couple lines of text but no, they proceed to make it more stupid than it needs to be.
@@slevinchannel7589Bruh I don’t think they’re saying the channel is inconsistent. Sometimes sure, like how he didn’t criticize sonic for being inconsistent when the first at movie sorta was and whole trip was sorta pointless.
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It’s honestly really unfair, and borderline unprofessional, to say that this show is inconsistent. This show is the most consistently terrible piece of media ever made.
I would argue that batwoman has it beat. They had a show about lesbians in spandex and couldn't get men to watch it. At that point, you really need to hang it up. Because you are completely terrible at your job.
I love the "genius scientist has to use intelligence booster for really basic stuff" because it implies that the writers had a really hard time thinking of this stuff. That is how stupid they are.
the magic cuffs really create all the logical problems in the show, huh. Imagine if instead they had to actually study the abilities of the person and figure out a specific solution to detain that person... that would give them a reason to stand and talk and not just immediately apprehend the villain
he wouldn't just knock them out because he wants to try and resolve things without violence, and relocation could be dangerous with a meta with unknown abilities - they might have a power which does something dangerous in contact or when in proximity
@@applestheheroI know Barry has a wallnut for a brain but I still think he could recognize the value of saving tons of lives with the only loser in the situation being the villain who got a mild concussion is a lot better than putting civilians in harms way for a nice chat
Is the risk of instant knockout or relocation high, yes, but is it higher if you just stand and wait with your thumb up your ass while the villain makes a move, also yes
One punch man is everything I’d actually want a flash show to be, first and foremost being self aware about how massively overpowered the main character is.
@@thesongwriter4294It would because it’s The FLASH. Literally no-one besides other speedsters or those who cannot be physically touched should be able to blink before Barry cuffs them, strips them of any weapons and then puts them in the cell. It’s that easy. There’s no reason 99% of these villains should even be a threat.
Exactly. It's like the writers are robots who've been programmed to need the main character be an "underdog" who gets his ass kicked before he can be allowed to win. That is not the case. He is a superhero, which means his failures could be failing to save other people, rather than himself. That could weigh on him as much as physical injuries might on a less powerful character.
1:42:05 I love how this was the one time that Barry decides to chase after the bad guy after he runs away and it just happens to be when he loses his powers. Outstanding
Also in cognitive science, we learn that toddlers when something is hidden from them will think that the item just vanished off the face of the earth since they don’t have the mental capacity to realize that it’s right behind the wall or screen, so in other words team flash and their writers have the mental capability of toddlers. Fantastic
I have the theory that there isn’t a script for this show, they just gather the actors somewhere with the recording crew and come up with the scenes on the spot
@gameoverload3252 Why wouldn't he? in fact it's practically half true since we already knew they let certain actors direct entire episodes and it's definitely written like they came up with it on the spot.
Stopping to talk would work in a world where the Flash was so competent, that he doesn't feel the need to immediately incapacitate a person. He just rocks up, trys to understand the goomba and if they aren't the type to calm the fug down, cuff em.
The Flash actually did this right once, when Barry had to deal with a gang of card deck villains sometime in season 8. He stopped to let them let out all their card puns, and made immediate work of them once they jumped him.
@@egg7540 yeah. Too bad its in fucking season 8. Took him 8 years. Also season 8 seemed like it was gonna be a saving grace and maybe the writers managed to return a little competence to the show, and then season 9 happened 😪
Its actually the flash's thing in the comics to stop and talk to his bad guys too, because he believes that they can change. The main difference is that the comics version is smart and fast enough to react when stopping to talk goes wrong, whereas this show just has barry/wally getting absolutely destroyed whenever they stop to talk, which is every episode.
I agree it's slightly better, but I'd still argue that it's way smarter and safer to talk someone down after capturing them and locking them up in a meta prison
@@mac1991seth well yeah but most villains in the comics actually have a counter to flash's speed, like captain cold's cold field, heatwave temp manipulation, golden gliders speed force sap, etc
@@mac1991seth it's kinda crazy how they skipped over crucial parts of characters equipment, like the only instance i think they didn't have these counters was in there first outings then developed them later after facing the flash for the first time (because comic villains always escape prison)
I love how Wells having to use the intelligence booster to come up with normal plans works completely because everyone else is too braindead to even come up with half sensible solutions
Barry Allen refusing to be the Flash while imprisoned is made even worse when in Episode 12 he drops a random inmate off in China without anyone noticing he's gone. Meaning that Barry could easily superspeed out of his cell, knockout or transfer said supervillain to iron Heights, and then comeback without anyone noticing.
@@MisterTTGAND??? who gon stop him? He gets caught blinking on camera all the time. Crossing the ocean isn't slower than staying in the country to a place you already know?
The saddest part about the flash is most of these problems could be fixed in 1-2 episodes MAX like hitting someone at Mach 5 could have been explained with Barry hitting a meta and eviscerating them which could explain his hesitancy to fight and why he doesn't use his speed in fights to its fullest advantage
By hesitancy to fight i mean standing around and being useless while having the ability to end any and every confrontation in a picosecond 😉(Excluding other speedsters and other absurdly fast moving superhero's/villains)
I was thinking the same thing. Frozen-literally a movie targeted at kids-had that trope done pretty well. Elsa accidentally hurt Anna and the guilt from it as well as the fear invoked in her due to her parents hammering the “conceal don’t feel” mindset into her head leaves her reluctant to use her abilities at all. It comes to a head multiple times when she gets overwhelmed and nearly hurts innocent people + nearly kills Anna a second time. That could’ve been an awesome trope for Barry. He accidentally hurts/kills someone and is so reluctant to use his powers that they “build up” and make it dangerous for him to lose his cool/get overwhelmed. Cue an arc where he has to work on balancing it out and the fear never fully goes away (I mean, if you accidentally hurt/kill someone it kind of sticks) so he still has moments where he struggles to fight out of fear of it happening again. Some other “weaknesses” that I’ve thought of are: - He could keep getting stuck in Flashtime. It happens when he gets surprised or overwhelmed and he has to wait for his body to physically exhaust itself before he can escape it. - He could start phasing whenever he gets upset. I’m pretty sure there was an episode where Barry couldn’t stop phasing and there were repercussions for it that the team had to work out. That would be a decent trope IMO - He could get severe headaches from all the speed thinking. These could result in slip-ups when he’s fighting and saving people. Maybe make it so Caitlyn comes up with a medication but it’s so potent that it has side effects of its own and Barry has to choose between one or the other. These are just some that I liked the idea of but it’s just my opinion so I’m sure not everyone would like those tropes :)
Sometimes I worry that my writing is terrible and inconsistent. Whenever that happens in the future, I will go and rewatch this video, as a reminder that if something this inconsistent and this riddled with plotholes and characters just being stupid for no reason other than the plot needs them to be stupid in order to happen can be a big successful TV show, then a few small inconsistencies or plotholes won't hurt my books that like 3 people read
A lot of people write by thinking of a start and end then connecting them, but that's where inconsistencies appear. Instead you should start with a vague idea and add detail to it. Foreshadowing can even be done better like this because it may even appear unintentionally.
@@92brunodf credit is given where it is due, they all have plenty of moments where they prove they are good actors. It's common sense to know that bad writing will affect how the actor's skills are portrayed.
1 Simple fix to most problems is just to say that the Meta Cuffs need to be configured to specific meta abilities. Therefore Flash needs to stop to talk, get enough info about the power, and then Cisco configures them and idk wirelessly uploads them to the cuffs so that Barry can put them on and have them work or something.
That's quite a smart weakness, considering the weird concept of one single tech that neutralizes several abilities (as if it was some dispell magic thing).
Congrats, you’re smarter than every CW writer ever. This is actually a clever way of allowing dialogue and tension when Barry could otherwise defuse everything instantly Got any other plot hole fixes?
@@wkoya4803they are talking about a fix to whatever was actually shown in the show. This isn't a film, and so it makes sense if the writers include some banter between the heroes and the villians. But this is a good reason to validate this talk.
I keep getting annoyed at madvocate repeating "knock him out" or "cuff her" over and over. Then I remember "oh thats right!" It isn't Madvocate I should be annoyed at. It's the writers for creating such a long period he has to fill explaining their mistake.
There's a flash comic where some villains talk about how central city is a no go zone because of how insanely OP flash is. Somebody needs to send the writers each a copy of the issue.
If I recall correctly I read somewhere that Flash’s Rogue’s Gallery have a truce with him saying that they won’t harm innocent people so long as Flash actually gives them a chance at a fair fight. That’s kinda hilarious that his own villains convinced him he’s too OP and needs a nerf
@@shadowofdread7018not even just that, a good number of villains actually respect flash as a person. Not that they don’t hate him for foiling their plans, but a few actually recognise him being a good person.
In season 5 it is revealed that Kaitlyn/Frost isn't a Meta, which means that the meta cuffs don't work on her. Meaning she shouldn't get captured in episode 9.
I love Madvocate’s brief little affections for Ralph. Y’know when Ralph is consistently a good character and not sacrificed on the podium of “CW’s highlight reel for kicks”
I'm watching this video six months after and I realized something in episode 18 lose yourself. Barry said they never have to kill but at the end of season 4, Barry assisted Ralph into getting his body and mind back, the thinker died during that. And let's not forget how his wife killed him too when he consciousness was inside the chair. So the thinker died twice in one episode
"Id rather go to prison for life than to fabricate evidence even though I know I am innocent" >gets out of prison because his friends fabricate evidence on his behalf an he thanks them for it "I will do anything to stop the thinker, except kill him" >end up stopping the thinker by erasing his consciousness, which effectively kills him I feel like the writers realize how op the flash is so they put him under some ridiculous moral constraints so he doesnt just instanstly win, but at the same time they arent smart enough to cleverly get around their own rules so they just have them not matter in the end and just dont acknowledge it. It is such flimsy and unbelievably bad writing. Its not just the bad set ups of action scenes which could be maybe excused, the core structure of the plot itself breaks your suspension of disbelief.
@@minilla2934 He was a better idea than basically any other main villains for sure. Its just a shame a villain called 'The Thinker' was handed over to CW writers... notorious about their inability to think. For what its worth, I liked the Thinker, despite his brief appaerance, better in the Suicide Squad movie played by Capaldi.
Also you didn't mention it, but Devoe could still prevent himself from being spotted in public by simply using Ralph's ability to morph into someone else.
So with the whole thing about Ralph having a dozen powers, my personal theory is that the powers of DeVoe were linked to his mind and because Ralph was still there his powers were with him. Now that DeVoe is gone so is his mind, no more bus meta powers Ralph just has his
Well it's really dumb he even kept Ralph's mind alive. So at any point, after one of the dozens of times they could have easily captured Devoe, they could have done the same thing in another body and "kill" Devoe by having that meta walk out of their mind hole.
The real reason Devoe's plan is full of holes is revealed at the end of the season: using the intelligence booster caused Wells to suffer brain damage and it was also going to be used to wipe the minds of everyone on the planet, which means that Devoe didn't actually have super intelligence, it's just that compared to Barry Allen a trained pidgeon looks like a genius so a man with the intellect of a child was actually the perfect opponent for a battle of the minds.
So the show was gaslighting us and when they realised they weren't smart enough to write a goof plan for a smart villain they retconned themselves. Right?
I like how Barry claims that he doesn't kill, but then he goes ahead and suggests, "Hey Ralph, let's extract you from DeVoe's brain, effectively erasing him." What exactly did Barry anticipate happening to DeVoe? Did he believe that DeVoe would miraculously emerge unscathed, in a different body alive and well?
To be fair, when it comes to killing a psychopath murderer in exchange of saving someone i think it goes away the morality aspect of no killing. You can effectively spin it into, saving Ralph and sucks for DeVoe for body snatching someone else. Still that doesn't fix all the other murders from Team Flash part. Or how DeVoe could have been stopped way earlier before it got into that point.
@@inquisitor9207 When you have powers like the Flash, a "no killing rule" makes sense, you are so incredible op that most situations you can solve without any blood spilled. But in this particularly case, there really isn't an answer to save Ralph and arrest DeVoe at the same time, you have to chose one and saving ralph should have priority. Why don't kill earlier? why is even needed to do that? he could have removed him out of his chair and lock him in a cell in less than second before any of this happen. While there are no real life laws or ethics about body swapping or body stealing, i would argue that in the Flash universe you can say that DeVoe killed himself. The victimized host of any body swapping shenanigan should always take priority against the perpetrator. And because DeVoe destroyed his own body, he simply sealed his fate without leaving any possibility of his own arrest. The Flash can be a bad show but at least they can be consistent following these simple sci fi ethics. The unintended host should always take priority... right?...
Everything in this show couldve been solved if Barry would've said something like. "I have to turn my speed perception on and off because life would be torture if I was always living my life in slow motion" that would make it 90 times easier to justify why Barry goes Braindead half the time in which he should actually be using his powers instead of standing there
@@trafficcone7344 this has been parroted many times but what were the writers smoking lmao. Its like the writers for this show only only go through one draft and call it a day. These explanations wouldve literally only taken up one scene in s1 and wouldve excused Barry for the rest of the show
@@Pellzwell you see, in true flash spirit, the writers decided to write each episode as fast as they could, only giving themselves a short time limit to do so in. This way, they could really connect with the character of the flash. /s
I see what u mean but if he knows he is going to fight a villan or be cocky and talk before he does anything wouldn’t it be smarter to have it on I understand when he’s out of the suit but it seems stupid to keep it off when uk your about to fight
Madvocate, you forgot to mention when Iris complained that Barry left her alone in the beginning is inconsistent with Barry allowing himself to get arrested knowing he's leaving Iris alone again 😂
How is that inconsistent though? She was still upset about him being gone the second time just not at Barry. And Barry believed he had no choice because he would’ve been on the run.
Since the first season. And the crying chick from Arrow, Oliver's original girlfriend. Even the nerd that he gets in a relationship with later became insufferable after the 3rd season.
@@patrickfisher2817 Laurel's journey was a hot mess, but she had her reasons. Iris and Felicity will be ok with something one day, then make up a reason to be upset about it the next day. I hoped Iris would have brought stability and be a voice of reason, qualities of a good leader for team Flash. Instead, her character was turned into a source of drama
I really admire Madvocate's optimism. Considering he has seen Barry for 3.5 years of in-world time, Madvocate is still confident that if Barry was not in prison he could've cuffed those metas and saved people in the process, despite Barry not doing that 99.5% of the time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is my issue with people portraying a super intelligent person in media is that they always want to severely dumb down everyone else just to make it work rather than having everyone make logical decisions that fit the IQ of their characters.
@@christopherbravo1813well, it may well be what they think it looks like, it’s not just a person who worked really really hard to get where they are and had the brainpower to understand what they were doing, no instead it’s just someone who pulls random bs explanations out of their butt and thinks Rube Goldberg devices are the perfect plan.
Something i just realized: season 5's main villain, cicada, is created from the explosion of the satellite, which only happened due to constant incompetence from barry in season 4. This means that every single person that cicada hurts, kidnaps or kills in season 5, regardless of how much it makes sense in the moment, they will have to fall under the "should have been saved" category.
@Frank___hassle__Exactly. It cannot work as a pure drama for those reasons, because if they write the characters as not being morons, it can't have those sorts of stakes every episode. The way to solve "don't stop and talk" honestly is to run with the concept that most of the Rogues are pretty mentally ill and it's purely a compassion thing, that Barry is always trying to talk them down because he doesn't want to hurt them. And just get rid of the cuffs as a concept. That tech shouldn't be able to be transported, preventing Barry from having an easy solution every time. Even _then_ though, once Barry can't talk people down, it should usually end with him just transporting them away unless there's other circumstances. A good Flash show would need to abuse death traps and hostages and "a bunch of things all at once". Rogues should be using things like "I've rigged myself to explode if a speed detector in my body goes above a certain speed", "if I don't enter this code repeatedly innocent people die", "five of us are doing crimes in five separate locations and we all have hostages and are in contact so if you stop one of us the others kill theirs", "if there's too much vibrational force from your speed, these explosives will detonate", and stuff like that. Also, nerf Barry. All you need to do there is to erase the whole "speed force prevents damage" concept. If Barry has to control his speed to not kill people or destroy things or vaporize things, it keeps him at a speed limit of a few hundred miles per hour tops outside of when he _needs_ to go faster and not care about the consequences. Ironically, leaning more into the interpersonal drama aspects would benefit it. A lot of episodes should not be about stopping someone who should be easily stopped. Most Flash superhero work should be a comedy. Flash stopping to talk shouldn't stop him from winning, it should be "when they're not mentally ill and are just normal criminals, he's toying with them and just absolutely degrading them and messing with them, even letting them have hope of winning just for the heck of it, and the viewer always feels secure he's going to win despite all that because they're so pathetic compared to him". That could also feed into developing new rogues, people who have really grown to hate him because he just broke them down and humiliated them. Captain Cold in particular is perfect for all of these concepts. "Oh Flash, yeah, you could just stop me, same as ever, right? Only... do you know where all the people i left freezing to death are? Sure, you could look for them, sure, you might find most of them, but if I don't get out of here scot free, you'll never know how many there are to find. I get back to my base, you get all their locations. Don't worry, nobody will die if you do what I say, you'll have enough time to save them all."
@@jackunknown1692 No he isn't. His Top speed is Mach 20, as in the Armageddon Crossover. In order to go Faster than the Speed of Light, he has to go at least Mach 881,735.
Remenber, there is no end to human imagination for both great and compeltly retarded things. Afterall we nearly destroyed ourselves during the cold war because the US though it was a smart idea to detonate a nuke in the skie.
@Amanuelspeaksfacts the CW's Flash doesn't even have good CGI, so the bad writing doesn't really help much for the show's image. Some of the comics have cool art that'll at least intrigue someone. (Though, I'm not really a comic Flash fan, so I might be wrong about that).
@@Hoopsforlife11 Funny enough, some of these villain comic interpretations have at least hidden details or stuff to excuse on what's happening(Captain Cold having The Cold Field, a weapon that stops motion & completely freezes all of your Protons & Neutrons and is stated to slow anyone who isn't a top tier speedster to a crawl) .The show doesn't though and just make him either just...stand there and stare, or somehow not react to the most basic hand to hand combat gesture, run *past* the main antagonist on purpose..etc.
I really hope you at least do one more season. I love watching you tear this show up, it deserves it. So many dumb things, I could write a whole different script for this video.
The Thinker being the smartest man in the world seems totally ridiculous at first glance… BUT, remember the world Thinker is in. It’s easy to see why Devoe would assume that he’s smarter than everyone else. He can react and think faster than the resident speedster and all of his posse combined. It’s easy to be the big fish in a small pond when the pond is about as deep as a Petri dish.
@@jackunknown1692 correct. The whole show is predicated on Barry Allen being unbelievably incompetent at leveraging his powers. Devoe shouldn’t be able to do anything to react to Barry’s supersonic (and even superluminal) speed at all. But Barry keeps sitting there doing nothing instead of: Throwing literally anything at Devoe Just smacking him with a stick Injecting him with tranquilizers Disassembling his power chair at light speed Removing Devoe’s toupee Slapping power cuffs on Devoe Asking for backup from the demigod next door that is Kara Zor El. Relocating Devoe’s targets to an alternate reality. Dropping EMP devices in Devoe’s base when the smug moron opens a portal in front of Barry. My comment was highlighting how dumb everyone in the setting is. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Except Devoe, our “one eyed man,” has extreme stigmatism in this analogy.
Now I know why the thinker is so intelligent.. They had to use a brain enhancer tech to think that they need to run facial recognition technology... Like how dumb are those people... Even a monkey would learn after being slapped twice..... Use flash time apprehend them.. I really want to see a villain who would trick the flash into using his powers just to outsmart him by getting caught and releasing all the villains that he had previously caught.. And then starts to keep speed bombs everywhere.. Everytime flash touches the bombs in the city to disarm them the bombs would latch onto him and then would blast if he slows down or gets into the vicinity of another bomb.. It would create a scenario where flash is being toyed around by the villain while the villain starts to target his family and he has to choose between the city and his family.. Taking 4-5 hostages everytime with speed bombs that will explode everytime they're in contact with the speed force or moved faster than a nano second... It can span 1 season.. With this storyline... But the writer is just crap at this point
@@Xenobearsi don't understand if you are serius or didn't pay attention, the thinker doesn't need to react to barry, he literally knows every single move he is gonna do so he can just predict it, while flash can't predict his dodging.
I love how consistently the writers are in degrading flash, a super hero that could literally vibrate within the speedforce so hard he can punch out superman, move so fast he can travel through time itself etc. Only to be taken down by opponents that only have supersonic screeches as a power.
I love how the whole routine of "we don't kill..." and "we don't have to kill anyone..." creates a massive rift to previous seasons and actions from these characters and it could be solved with writing, and not even clever writing at that. All you're missing is a god damn "...anymore." at the end and give them a singular moment of guilt and then never bring it up again. It's a bit patchy and it doesn't solve all the other problems with the show, but it's issues like these that shouldn't even arise in the first place lmao
season 5 would literally kill madvocate, a literal serial killer and they fail to catch him bc their worried about killing him😭 like dude he’s gonna kill you and everyone just beat him to a pulp and lock bro in the pipeline
The nuclear bomb episode is when I completely checked out of the show Flash can walk casually and hold multiple conversations while a nuclear bomb is in the process of exploding He's moving at 99.98% light speed He's unstoppable Nothing past this episode makes sense
That's where I completely gave up on the show even when i liked it back in the day. This is one of the biggest speed feats of the entire show and should allow barry to statue almost every opponent. Him touching someone at that speed would feel like a thousand freight trains hitting someones skull at once. If he had some kind of temporary amp going on at the time it would make sense but no this utterly obliterates any excuse barry has against a non speedster giving him an entire episode amount of trouble.
then you didn't pay attention to earlier seasons, as he did a similar thing in early season 1, when he was WAY slower. And Madvocate even shows a clip from it in this video.
During Flashtime Jessie went to Earth 3 to get Jay Garrick which implies she opened a breach, but earlier in the episode it was established a breach can’t open in flashtime.
I swear I loved this show and I still do but I can never see it the same again after all Madvocates criticism videos and you guy’s comments I was honestly shocked how inconsistent this show is!
@@AdhvaithSane I liked season 1 even if i saw a lot of stupid things in it, but i ignored them because i'm used to shows on CW not being the best written and i'm also a comic reader and those are full of dumb character decisions for the sake of the plot, but i just couldn't ignore the same dumb decisions every season and opted out after finale of season 3.
Also, since the cork sphere is now destroyed, shouldn’t the speed force now be raining hell on earth and demanding for Barry to go back into the speed force?
Watching this video made me think about an episode from "Teen Titans Go" where Robin finally got superpowers for the first time. The powers Robin was giving was equivalent to Superman (Super Strength, Speed, Heat Wave Vision, ETC). The best part about this is that it took Robin a whole 10 seconds to end crime all over the city (I say city because my brain is a bit fuzzy if he'd ended crime all over the world). With that accomplishment, the rest of team decided to disband cause Robin has pretty much had it all figure out and no longer was needed. Time went by and Robin was pretty much isolated for the rest of his life with just a job, no friends or a family of his own as he question if the powers he was giving was a curse. Moral of the story is... *Teen Titans Go Is Better Than CW Flash.*
@@thabangpatiko9869teen titans go isnt horrible and never was. You guys only hate it bc it shares its namesake with the original teen titans show which in and of itself wasn’t even that good of a show in the first place. Massively overrated
This show desperately wanted to be the new Smallville. It wanted flavor-of-the-week mutants with interesting powers and it wanted seasonal arc villains too. The issue is that Clark Kent didn't start out with his skin being resistant to everything. He didn't start out at his full strength, AND he himself had to constantly learn his growing strength. He had a crippling weakness, Kryptonite, which was also the thing that tended to CREATE those villains, so it came up a lot and would turn the tides in encounters he would've otherwise handled with ease. He was also presented with a lot of circumventions to his incredible resilience, especially early on. He generally either fought villains who were powered up enough to be a threat or that countered his abilities in one or more ways, and during the later parts of the series, it wasn't afraid to show him resolve minor threats easily since he was getting into being a proper vigilante by that point. But before he started using costumes, he was resolving local threats which prevented him from publicly displaying his powers against the threats which would come from seemingly nowhere, which put a lot of constraints on what he could do. Although in hindsight, I'm sure the show has a fair few "Clark can generally move and think at super speed so why isn't he dodging a normal-speed super-punch", but the show doesn't present him as having the same kind of automatic "I enter slow-mo whenever a threat generally presents itself and I can stay like that for an eternity" like Flash does, so he's very capable of being both surprised and overwhelmed. Clark's speed is also a fair bit slower through most of the show, and he constantly has to deal with threats far outside the reach of a single town or city, often times being located both in the middle of nowhere or very far away, so often times the issue is actually finding the villain and 'getting there in time' rather than failing to use his abilities like Flash does. With the kind of threats Flash faces, he needs to be dealing with threats on the scale of at least an entire U.S. state if they ever want "We don't know where X is" and "Can I get there in time" circumstances to be plausible challenges, but the show refuses to ever shoot in locations that aren't in the city it's set in.
@@BigZ-19 The way it was used wasn't exactly that great, considering how many episodes contained scenes where Clark was out of order thanks to Kryptonite-pieces around or people with powers gained by Kryptonite. But yes, at least it was a good explanation. As far as i remember he used his powers consistantly when he was able to. Just having someone forget what he could do or react slower than he should be able to is way worse. If the Flash-writers would do a Captain America-movie, they would let him save the day by throwing his shield - but only after at least 20 situations where the shield would have been usefull if he hadn't forgotten to use it (while having it on his back).
@@dabartos4713 Yeah that was... literally the thesis statement? It wanted to be like Smallville and it failed for the reasons that are the subject of the comment.
A few issues that you missed. 1. in episode 12, when barry runs ratchet all the way to china, he somehow was caught on camera doing that even though a friend of mine did the calculations and it turns out that barry would have been going so fast that the camera would not have seen him but it did anyway. 2. When izzy loses her violin right before devoe kills her, she still could have used her hands to shoot the sonic energy at him like she did earlier but just stands there.
Back when I watched the show with my dad, he actually pointed out how dumb barry was being in episode 7, as well as how dumb all of team flash was being in that episode. I did not listen to him then. He was right all along.
A lot of people have done those calculations. Those calculations assume that 1. Barry runs at a constant speed and is not going slower within the prison and then accelerating later. 2. There is no cut within that scene and he actually ran to China in 5 seconds. 3. The camera is not a very high speed camera even though the warden knew Barry was a speedster. People always talk shit about that scene, but when you take this into account it makes perfect sense.
@@Dunhaibee Yeah, if you force your characters to be dumb, stupid situations to happen, and try to fill in the plot holes for the writers, anything can make sense 😂.
1:02:41 couldn’t Cisco like open a breach under Trickster and like put him at the precinct or something Couldn’t he do that to anyone should Barry be preoccupied
I love how this season hammers in the "We don't kill no matter what" thing but Barry's ultimate plan to stop the Thinker would, in his own words, erase his very existence.
Its a weird standard in media that death is okay as long as it isnt bloody despite some fates being worse without it Remember kids! Gory deaths are morally wrong and should never be used. Shredding someone on a molecular level and erasing them from reality or ripping their soul out is ok though.
@@superbrainz2357 Remember that eternally locking them in a capsule where they're conscious but they can't move is better than shooting them with a gun!
@@goosegas2087 Fates worse than death are low key terrifying. Shooting a character and having them bleed out isnt allowed yet having them be calcified through a heat vaporization attack and then blown into space only to drift for eternity while still alive is somehow fine though. A character that regenrates will constantly have chunks of their body repeately mutilated or cut off. Life force/soul is removed from the body and the victim lives on as a mindless hollow shell with no way of reversing the effects and essentially denied to move on to the in universe afterlife. Wally in the comics actually did something like that to barry's murderer. He zapped the guys speed essentially making him a statue and then placed him in the flash museum looking at barry's flash memorabilia for the rest of his life. That was pretty brutal. All of these are honestly way more terrifying to me than being shot or stabbed ever could.
This made me realize something, Berry 100% had time to move devoes body to a lake or vat of acid and thus make it nearly impossible to convict him for murder, and it wouldn't conflict with any of his morals since he's literally innocent
That whole plot was dumb. He did nothing wrong and 10,000 ways to get out of it, but for absolutely no reason he decides to just let it happen. Was he really willing to just spend the rest of his life in prison? I call bull
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023nihilistic flash is actually super frustrating lol. He really would have just let everyone in the future he could have saved rot while he rots in jail. Why?
He would be tampering with evidence at a crime scene. And that's a criminal offense. But there would be plenty of other ways to avoid the problem. And sometimes breaking the law is ethical. For instance, he was breaking and entering in the first place. The only reason going to jail makes sense would be that he thought he could easily challenge the charges in court. And that, in the long run, would be the better strategy. Doing that might be wiser than digging himself in deeper by tampering with evidence. But they didn't do a great job of explaining that was the case. And just standing there was beyond stupid. Just leave and deal with situation in court if the police actually bring charges against you. Why do their job for them and offer them absolute proof of Barry being there. The other evidence could be more easily challenged.
@@TerryProtheroDude he's the fucking Flash lol. They wouldn't have caught him if he tampered with the evidence. This is the stupidest justification for bad writing.
The fact that the show said that devoe couldn’t determine emotion is impossible. He created each meta human for his plan and any possibilities that is plan could be beaten but he created weeper, which would be useless to him beside from controlling Marcines emotion, which means devoe predicted she would feel that way.
I think the writers fully expected the audience to assume that as he got closer to achieving his goals and after losing his original body that he had ‘become’ something else. The lazy answer they didn’t even bother to explain explicitly is that emotion is inherently unpredictable, meaning no amount of logic will perfectly explain emotional reactions, they just didn’t do any of the work to build up to that or make it clear that’s what they meant to convey. I think they also mean to say that by evincing emotion and striving to understand the world through pure logic, he lost the ability to empathize. But, from his point of view, he had no good reason to empathize with any part of humanity in its current state, including Marlize, apparently. Seemingly even before he got his powers he was somewhat of a sociopath. The only time they even attempted to explain that was with off-handed comments about how gaining super-intellect literally turned him into a psychopath. How creative. They didn’t even bother to have the characters reflect on him failing because he was trivializing emotion, except during motivational speeches by Barry and co. where they basically just say ‘he’s a psycho and we’re good guys so we got this’. Like with every other big bad previously shown. I think the lazy part is they didn’t even both to explore ideas on what intelligence even is during a season where the main conflict is being produced by a somewhat sociopathic extremist who gained ‘super-intelligence’ and decided to remake the world in his image. The only time they really did was at the very end when they decided to define intelligence as not including emotional intelligence. They didn’t bother to explain the difference between the two, they basically just said that positive emotions beat pure, unfathomably precise logic because ‘logic can’t explain emotions’. They didn’t bother to really explore how Devoe’s beliefs and ideology (nor his own feelings) shaped his perspective, or how that related to his intelligence, hardly whatsoever. They were trying so hard to make him evil and scary that they didn’t bother to actually characterize him except by showing that he is the stupidest super-genius ever, or, I guess… that he is technically right, but his decisions are still bad because he doesn’t value emotions? It’s not really clear. It seems he does value emotions in the flashback scenes, and they don’t really do much to distinguish between his borderline sociopathic worldview and tendencies from before and after he got his powers. Did his powers make him more of who he already was? Did they make his underlying mental health issues worse? What gives? Or is he just misguided? What exactly even caused Devoe to believe that Marlize would turn on him? Was he always paranoid about it? Did it have something to do with the fact his plan included bodyhopping and he thought Marlize would leave him when it happened, so when he designed the metas he planned for that outcome? How did any of that actually go? I know what the season 4 writers have to say about that: It is of no concern.
Kind of amazing how writers seem to struggle with the concept of Object Permanence. It's like all it takes for a bad guy to escape is to go off screen and Barry can't catch up. Really ironic that a character is literally named "Peek-A-Boo"
Fallout is the most sympathetic villain for me. The guy just opened his first bank account, got paid, all the while giving people radiation. He really does not want to hurt anyone and they made him out to be the bad guy by having him shoot Barry with radiation, etc.
Oh no, they know. In one episode he’ll be fast any another slow. They know what they’re doing, it’s because it takes effort to write around such an OP character r
The true effects of the speed force (Or maybe the CW Force). “You gain the ability to have super speed beyond time and space BUT you lose/ burn through brain cells dependent on the speed of acceleration.”
I like that theory, but you need to take into account that everybody - even the "super-genius" -is also a moron. So whatever affects them it's not just limited to the speedsters ...
@@lordmontymord8701 Revised version of the theory: Barry emits an aura of stupidity that deteriorates intelligence around him, which would also explain why Devoe's plans and reasoning were actually significantly better before Barry's aura of idiocy started knocking him down a few pegs.
@@sirsapphire3499 That's more like it 😁 And there's the true reason DeVoe doesn't want Barry's powers, even if it would make his plans significally easier: He knows it would affect his thinking thingy in an even worse way ...
What gets me isnt that they underpower barry, it's that they repeatedly show off the full extent of his powers only to immediately backtrack and weaken him. It would be one thing if he was consistently slower in season 4 than in his other appearances, i could accept that as being a retcon maybe. But when you go from him using superspeed in superspeed to not being able to dodge human hands is laughable.
@@willow1601 I agree that that doesn't make sense, but at least Pikachu used the moves it had against snivy. The equivalent would be giving Pikachu an automatic win button that it refuses to press. The flash can literally stop time at will, and yet he refuses to move at all when people's lives are on the line. It makes him feel more like a villain than a hero.
@@briandiomede7354 I think the two situations are more similar than you remember. Pikachu actually doesn't use anything but iron tail against snivy. The Flash doesn't use any of the good tools he has at his disposal. However, in the pikachu situation they at least try to say it was because Zekrom was weakening him. The Flash has no excuse except maybe he fears the bad luck or something(although that is never stated).
Also technically every time one of the characters get injured after Barry goes to prison they should go on the "should have been saved" counter since if Barry wasn't arrested he would help them out and they could avoid the injury
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Iris being a journalist means she'd know laws about recording in her state, and that it's a felony to record without the other party's consent in missouri...but as a journalist, recording the conversation would absolutely occur to her and be her instinct. In this day and age, we record almost all our interviews, even if just to get a transcript for easier writing. Would have been interesting to have her like, have conflict between the law and her professional ethics and her desperation to save Barry. For all the journalist characters in superhero media, you'd think they'd make more use of the genuinely interesting ethical dilemmas inherent to the profession
I've realised the brilliance of the series, all the inconsistent character writing, abilities and stakes can all be explained by off-screen speedsters from different time periods all messing with time, creating ripples that change the world from second to second of actual screentime. Therefore what we are actually seeing is a montage of different timelines, each with different character personalities, abilities and in-world logic strung together like frames in an animation. It truly is amazing how the writers were able to masterfully implement such a concept in their writing.
Cuz im at the trial of the flash episode. How does nobody point out that theres to much evidence to the case? Barry as said during his trial he is a CSI and then played it up how he used his CSI skills to stalk and harass. Which he kinda did and kill Devo, this paints a picture of competence. All the evidence points to somebody thats petty and jealous as well as sloppy. It's to simple nothing was cleaned his prints were all over the body. And if i remember right the police came to Barry's house due to his silent alarm. The whole case has to many holes not to pick through with fine tooth comb. How Barry ends up convicted is beyond me.
Devoe was actually not stupid. He intentionally acted stupid to bait Madvocate to create another Flash video to enlighten the viewers of the inconsistency of the Arrowverse. The enlightenment did happen in the end.
What a twist! 😃
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A small nitpick. When Barry was arrested and later in the courtroom leaving for an emergency. There is no way a prime suspect in a murder case would be allowed to even move an inch without the police being present.
in crisis on Earth X, stein fuckin died on earth x, but SPEEDSTERS CAN FUCKIN TRAVEL WORLDS, so stein and everyone else wouldnt have gotten stuck on earth x to have stein fuckin die on earth x
Not a nitpick, Barry leaves the courtroom and seconds later Flash appears meaning a person with common sense & this knowledge, would know Barry is the Flash
@@aakashsancheti9614Berry goes to jail, and suddenly Flash disappears, and even that's not enough, why do you think this one counts 😂
I noticed the same thing! That’s not a nitpick, that’s a game breaker!
@@ab-gail what comment do you mean
In Injustice 2 when Flash fights Braniac there’s a really good intro dialogue that goes like this:
Flash: “You can’t control me, Braniac!”
Braniac: ”My intelligence far exceeds yours.”
Flash: “My feet move faster than your neurons.”
Which basically should’ve been every fight between him and the thinker
They could have literally made flash a weaker character by just making energy consumption his his greatest obstacle, making his use of speed a lot more calculative, giving the flash team more of a work around than just absolutely speed.
@@ArthKrystdepends, he needs to be in that speed only when in need not all the time
@@AnnamPrasanth Yea but it's not a hindrance.
It could he used as a reason to not use his powers, and the talking he does could make sense that he's trying to talk them down so he doesn't have to use his energy.
@anishkr2567 I'm the show ge eats high calories bats because of this problem which affected him long term but with the solution we never see him eat a bar of it ever
@@ArthKrystHaving the Flash needing to actually accelerate instead of immediately being able to go super sonic would nerf him a lot too. It would be very comic inaccurate but at least you could have a show
While watching season 4, I decided Devo was just a regular intelligence level guy, but comparing to team Flash he was a genius 😂😂
He was too smart for them😂
I can even believe he's the smartest person on Earth - that Earth.
There's a SF-story by Poul Anderson called Brain Wave, where it turns out that our solar system was under the effect of an energy-dampening field that hampered neuron activity. After the Earth leaves this field every human and even all the animals get way smarter.
Every time i see stupidity on the level of the Flash i'm imagening their planet was just hit by the idiot-ray. Would explain a lot. Or in this universe the events of Idiocracy just started way earlier ...
@@theend-nz6vsI imagine that his inventions are made out of cardboard but the flash team is so delusional that they think and see it as high tech.
@@qua_xor3348 devo teleporting was him just riding on a scooter
I think he just has one more braincell than anyone on Team Flash alone or combined. If Barry’s IQ is 1, DeVoe’s IQ is 2.
Ralph's actual power is calling out Team Flash when no one else will. If only the writers didn't do it half-heartedly.
The best characters are the ones the show wants us to hate the most
@@egg7540 how berry is the best character lmao cuz i hate him the most
@@somakun1806Not Barry, he is talking about Ralph
@@somakun1806 as mr. egg said. the characters the show wants us to hate. which the show doesn't want you tohate.
@@anvithrai4133 Ok but his statement can be used for anyone
1:26:20 Notice how she's at first fully capable of defending herself against DeVoe in an intelligent way, but AFTER training with team flash she decides to stop and talk? They really trained her well! 🤔
LMFAO FR
Holy shit that’s hilarious 😂
Lmao, my exact thought during that scene was “well she learned from the best”
How did I not notice that? Holy hell, that is the funniest thing ever
so THAT'S why DeVoe kept letting Team Flash get to the Metas first.
I like how 90% of the criticism of the show could have been avoided if they said something like "we need to collect data about the meta's power to adjust the power dampening cuffs"
Also if they added a bit in S1 where Barrey almost killed someone when he punched them at super speed
So it’s not so easy for him to just tackle people down at super speed, he has to slow down first.
Or if they just said that Barry can't touch or move anyone at superspeed without doing damage, and that attacking someone in superspeed would kill them, which he has a code of conduct not to do.
Still wouldnt make much sense because be could still relocate them to Iron Heighs or P.A prision. And if they needed to collect data for that too, show wouldnt be logic, imagine have to build a personalized prision cell for each meta that shows up?
@@lucasgomesmoreira8451 Could be easily handwaved as stationary power suppressors are more powerfull and don't need adjustments.
Also if they treated superspeed as a limited resource that they have to be careful not to deplete in case it’s really needed. I know that’s not how it works, but it would somewhat explain why Flash is always hesitant to use it.
Like, he could go into bullet time for only a second of normal time before he’s too strained and weak to keep it up. That way it’s not OP, and if he’s already used bullet time that day it could be the reason he’s too slow in the following scenes.
When making this show the writers had two paths to choose: either commit to having Barry be OP and come up with creative ways for villains to outplay him, or commit to having a bullshit reason as to why Barry doesn’t use his speed to just end every confrontation immediately. Instead of choosing a path they just wandered off into the woods, got lost, and have been scraping by in a homeless mans tent, which results in so many scenes of Barry getting knocked down and just sitting there, refusing to use his powers for no reason other than plot convenience, while the villains monologue and then escape
Except they want to seem like they have reason why the flash cant beat anyone instantly by giving him this weird moral code which they dont even uphold themselves.
Bary let himself get caught because he didnt want to cheat the system, but then he gets out of prison by cheating the system.
He couldnt defeat Davoe immediately because "killing bad" but the way they finally defeat him is by basically killing him. It so dumb.
They could’ve easily made it so he can only be fast for very limited amount of time due to the amount of food he has to eat, and unless he’s in a good situation where he can refuel constantly, has to either finish the situation quickly or use speed sparingly. Saves budget as well, considering how they already make him just… stand there
@@pian-0g445 No, that wouldn't solve the problem that he can beat his enemies instantly. It's also just kind of stupid - a nutrition based limit to a superpower? That's just lame.
No, you really should just make his enemies tougher. It's not even that difficult. Fog control man from the first episode of season 1? Wraps himself in fog completely and makes himself invincible no matter how fast Barry runs because he's covered all over. Duplicate man? Hides his real self away somewhere and only lets his clones wreak havoc, so Barry can't find him and stop him. Poison cloud man? Is always in cloud mod and is intangible, so Barry can't just grab him no matter how fast he is. Etc. etc. Even just using the same villains and powers, you can easily just make them be a challenge for Barry. The writers are just literally too stupid and lacking in imagination to do it.
@@Arphemiuswell it makes sense tho, all versions of the flash (and any other character with super speed) they need constant food intake to replenish the calories they lose while running, so it would make a lot of sense for it to be a weakness for him, it could at least weaken him or make him slower
@@ramsehannema9076 I mean you can make any rule work for any superpower if you really want to, but it's still kind of lame. Also, he could also eat at superspeed, so for that to become a problem he would always have to be "unlucky" enough to get hungry and not have anything ready to eat so that he is hungry and slows down just when there's a supervillain nearby. Seems weird, and all "conditional" superpowers are kind of more wacky and unappealing - "I am super strong, but only when I wear a pink trench coat and have petted a cat in the last 24 hours", it's always kind of weird.
Honestly, just make the villains tougher, it really isn't that much of a problem.
Also it's worth noting that Iris' whole "yOu LEft mE!!!" routine was deliberately done in a room with someone who did not know Barry was the Flash. Therefore Barry is not allowed to simply respond with "The planet would have literally exploded." He is forced to pretend she is right because his only other options are to look like a manipulative piece of crap or reveal his secret identity to a random stranger.
She set all of that up to force an apology out of him when he never did anything wrong. This is why people hate Iris. She's psychotic and incredibly entitled.
There’s so many times in this show where I question how Barry is still with her that scene and the scene where thawne is helping his daughter Nora in the future. Barry takes Nora back to the future after finding out because he cannot trust her at all. He knows anyone and anything to do with thawne is a red flag even if he says he wanted to help her. Well anyways after he takes Nora back iris flips out on him cause he just did it and took her back without talking together. Iris absolutely freaks out and Barry explains himself. After explaining what thawne means to him and his family iris says she actually just doesn’t care because it wasn’t her mom and her daughter is still gone. The most unsupportive couple I’ve ever seen and they are portrayed as a power couple. So selfishly wanted him to stay and let everyone die, and completely unsupportive wife over what is clearly the most scaring thing to happen in his life. Imagine when iris mom or Eddie was dying and she was crying about it if Barry just looked at her, went meh, and shrugged his shoulders.
Tbh barry could have used flash time, explained it to her and exited flash time
Your stretching into that so much, it's obviously not meant to get that deep, your just nit picking at this point
True. Barry suffers from Stockholm syndrome.
@@spicyclips552 not even that man. After the therapy session just maybe pull her to the side and be like okay, I’ve said it already but I want you to hear it again… I did not in any way want to leave I had too, everyone’s lives were on the line. And pretty much in a nice way say get over it.
It's funny how Ralph is the biggest narcissistic scoundrel but somehow also the only one that ever takes complete ownership of his mistakes.
and at least for some time, being the closest thing to a rational person in this show.
What’s more narcissistic than proving you’re more mature by owning up to your mistakes. It’s more believable and successful than your common garden variety narcissism. It’s a common tactic of communists and those of the woke persuasion. Though in the case of the latter it often manifests in admitting to a lesser crime.
Hahahaha
@@deliciadeconta2596 Yeah. Then they ditched the actor due to nonsense allegations when twatter mob tried to cancel him. Then the show went even further downhill, as hard as it is to imagine that.
@@Grivehnit wasn’t allegations it was because of tweets that he indeed posted. However those were written by him several years before he even started to work on The Flash and imo those tweets obviously didn’t reflect the person he actually is/was at the time he got fired.
He may not be the worst villain overall, but his name being “The Thinker” when he actively doesn’t think is just priceless
They thought through Iris being a manipulative gaslighter more than any other plot point
@@garrettcooper58 True, they thunkled really hard about character assassination rather than important stuff like common sense and remembering what they wrote 5 seconds ago
He’s a top 3 villain, way better than Savitar
He also claims to be the fastest mind alive when he is anything but.
When I did watch this show, I always called him the Stinker, 'cause his character and plan was utter dogshit.
“Flash time, put him in the pipeline.” Damn that bar goes hard.
Quick, someone sample this and slap a trap beat on it.
It’s so nice you could say it 25,000 times to represent a small amount of time that flashes by flashes eyes when he is about to get hit with something
Gotta make a banger out of that!!
@@anthonyrygalski6424 This sounds like a job for Noiselund!
yall forgot plot lol
Love the repetition of seeing Atom Smasher, Sandman and Savitar being killed over and over by Team Flash, while lecturing others on the morality of murder. It never gets old.
It kinda does, wouldve probably sped it up after the tenth time.
@@dodojesus4529gotta get that three hour runtime somehow. I really like these videos, but let's be honest, this video could've easily been half the length it currently is. And that's still being generous.
@@dodojesus4529he would not let them get away with it and I am happy with that
I mean, it would've been better if they had woven the times they needed to kill into their hesitation to do it, but they act almost as if they have never taken a life at all in this season, and that's what really does it a disservice.
Sandman is actually still alive, even fake jay confirms this in episode 2
You know Season 4 must be real bad in comparison to Seasons 1-3 when the naming has changed from “Insufferably Inconsistent” to “Infuriatingly Inconsistent”.
Yah that's true, especially the ending
Imagine what the other seasons will be like
It is
Next season should be called the Flash is inconceivably inconsistent.
Imagine the lightsaber season.
I would love to see a remake of the flash which is just 10 mins each season of him acting intelligently and cuffing everyone, like an any% speedrun of the show.
Add in some sections with him trying to work through the villain of the week's personal problems, whether successfully or not, and it would become a kind of hilarious superhero therapy show.
I would like a remake of the show where someone who can actually play the Flash goes back in time and stops every Flash timestop event, causes another Flashpoint where the show is removed and the premier shows every episode being Thanos'd from the CW's website.
@@franklinturtleton6525 that's unfair. The actor did fine, it was the writers that couldn't *write* Flash that were the issue.
Only if they make the Flash pre-new 52 Wally. He has enough charisma and lovable energy to carry 10 minute shorts really well. Part of the problem with this show is CW didn't feel just a flash show would be interesting enough and heavily relied on side plots, extending plots, and using side characters to fill up time because Barry couldn't carry the show.
@@theendersmirk5851 no, nononononono. Grant Gustin way too whiney and emotional to play the stoic and cool-headed Barry Allen. Any piece of media has him freak out in DIRE situations but whenever Grant's Barry is inconvenienced by anything he has a meltdown.
rewatching season 4 has led me to the realization that 90% of Ralph becoming a "hero" is just team flash gaslighting his common sense out of him
My theory is that Barry actually perceives everything in flashtime constantly so by the time he turns around to see a villan has walked around a corner he's already forgotten about them
That would make sense
My powers are super speed and super ADD
ADD + ADHD grindset
So Barry is retarded?
uhm, if he perceives everything in flash time then how does the moron, get hit by people, and loses to villains when they are right in front of him and not take them out, and if he perceives everything in flash time how does he talk, super slowly so other can understand???
i think irises superpower is gaslighting and manipulation and it works so well that most people in the flash tv show dont see how horrible of a character and a person she is.
And it is a real pleasure watching the so called fans just watch her act all pissed, take her side sometimes, and not see how much gaslighting and manipulative she is throughout the show👍
I want her to die ASAP.
Hate her
Nah compared to the Flash and his friends, she’s a saint
@@egbertmilton4003yea fr, like barry didn't have any problems with stealing and killing and kidnapping in the first 3 seasons
You need to hand it to Barry. Intelligence has pursued him since season 1, but he's always been faster.
@@detroider7844mach 3 is a little over 1km/s yhat is not faster than light
@@Nickson-michael ok
@@Nickson-michael”um actually” vibes
It’s the only time he doesn’t stop to talk
He's a crime scene investigator, there is zero excuse for him to be this dumb ngl
There's 1 extremely good reason why The Thinker is a terrible villain in this show. In comics, Barry is a gigantic nerd. He's a scientist, and a good one. He's super smart. Having a villain that he can't outsmart is a genuine threat to comic Barry. The problem in the show is that every single villain outsmarts him every single week
I'm convinced now Barry 90% of the time just puts lightning around him for show but in reality he's just running at normal human speeds lol
He's a lightning manipulator not a speedster 😂😂
@@PrinceVegeta2134567that'd be an interesting antagonist for a non speedster DC character. A lightning manipulator with very minor super speed that pretends to be a speedster.
He forgot how to do the super speed, his biggest weapon is making people think he can still do it by doing the lightning
Nah, most normal people don't just stand there and get punched repeatedly. Barry's slower than normal.
So everyone else is just pretending he's fast? Like a Truman show for metas, or like that movie (Bolt?) with the superdog who then realized he wasn't super.
Iris literally saying “Barry, knock him out and then cuff him” is so goddamn funny I can’t put it into words
Ok
It is easy to put into words just like in the video: "It is funny because it is true."
Not only did she say that but she said it twice!!!!! Twice!!!!!
@@Marvelfanatic3658SPUNCHBOB?!
I wonder if this show had hung on for one more season if they would've had enough of a sense of humor about themselves to do a scene where she says "don't stop to talk don't stop to talk don't stop to talk don't stop to talk."
I like how Barry is able to EASILY out run lightning but also at the same time is shown to have visual processing speeds that are worse than an average human. It is like they keep forgetting that a speedster needs to have utterly bonkers reaction times just to be able to run without constantly obliterating people around them like A-train from The Boys.
Not even that, they need the insane reactions to not obliterate themselves while running into buildings
@@TheAcademicSavantYo what 😂😂
@@TheAcademicSavant"Flash wouldn't be able to come"
I wonder what source you used to acquire such intimate information
@@TheAcademicSavant "And his come would kill Iris."
Haha, holy shit, how come I never thought of that? The moment he shoots his load, it would rip through her and shoot out of the top of her head like a bullet.
A cum bullet.
Nice.
@@pedroivog.s.6870in the Tv show “TheBoys” PopClaw,AKA A trains Girlfriend, got Oral six and her come blew the guys head out.
I love how Barry and the gang gets progressively more idiotic. Imagine how long Season 5's is gonna be.
Who’s ready for the 5 and a half hour video?!
Season six is about to be 3 to 6 hours long I can already tell
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197Season 7 is just gonna be 5 hours long. I can't say about season 8 because i honestly couldn't tank it anymore and i quit watching that abomination of a show.
Nice to see this series being consistent with its inconsistency.
@@slevinchannel7589why the actual fuck are you copy and pasting this under almost every top comment?
with the amount of stupidity shown it makes me think the creators DELIBERATELY make it stupid so we wouldn't take it seriously and would just turn out brains off, lol. There are some things that could be fixed with a couple lines of text but no, they proceed to make it more stupid than it needs to be.
@@slevinchannel7589Bruh I don’t think they’re saying the channel is inconsistent. Sometimes sure, like how he didn’t criticize sonic for being inconsistent when the first at movie sorta was and whole trip was sorta pointless.
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Well when it comes to disappointing the CW never disapoints
It’s honestly really unfair, and borderline unprofessional, to say that this show is inconsistent. This show is the most consistently terrible piece of media ever made.
🤓🤓
@@itszvy 👍
I would argue that batwoman has it beat. They had a show about lesbians in spandex and couldn't get men to watch it. At that point, you really need to hang it up. Because you are completely terrible at your job.
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
The show is consistent with it's inconsistency
I love the "genius scientist has to use intelligence booster for really basic stuff" because it implies that the writers had a really hard time thinking of this stuff. That is how stupid they are.
I read that as soon as my boy said it
Okay but the real Clifford’s dead body exists, so Ralph impersonating him should absolutely not have worked
Somehow the police just let him go without any investigation 😅
Also police knows there is metahumans
the magic cuffs really create all the logical problems in the show, huh. Imagine if instead they had to actually study the abilities of the person and figure out a specific solution to detain that person... that would give them a reason to stand and talk and not just immediately apprehend the villain
Still dumb as hell, you'll have plenty of time to study them if Barry knocks them out with super speed.
@@liquidanimations3397exactly. Even without the cuffs he can just relocate them.
he wouldn't just knock them out because he wants to try and resolve things without violence, and relocation could be dangerous with a meta with unknown abilities - they might have a power which does something dangerous in contact or when in proximity
@@applestheheroI know Barry has a wallnut for a brain but I still think he could recognize the value of saving tons of lives with the only loser in the situation being the villain who got a mild concussion is a lot better than putting civilians in harms way for a nice chat
Is the risk of instant knockout or relocation high, yes, but is it higher if you just stand and wait with your thumb up your ass while the villain makes a move, also yes
Idk man, I'm really happy CW made the show the way they did. I would've never laughed so loud for 3 whole hours if they didn't.
Same
holy shit this video is 3 hrs???💀 i didn’t even realize
Me too. I literally cry tears watching these videos 😂
TRUE 😂😂😂
@@Sergio-wm5duRight it just flashes through💀
One punch man is everything I’d actually want a flash show to be, first and foremost being self aware about how massively overpowered the main character is.
Exactly Isekais now days even now how to right overpowered characters as well
But the flash is not a parodical character so I don't think it would work like that
@@thesongwriter4294It would because it’s The FLASH. Literally no-one besides other speedsters or those who cannot be physically touched should be able to blink before Barry cuffs them, strips them of any weapons and then puts them in the cell. It’s that easy. There’s no reason 99% of these villains should even be a threat.
Exactly. It's like the writers are robots who've been programmed to need the main character be an "underdog" who gets his ass kicked before he can be allowed to win. That is not the case. He is a superhero, which means his failures could be failing to save other people, rather than himself. That could weigh on him as much as physical injuries might on a less powerful character.
It would be much more fun if they kept Capt. Cold as some comedic side relief instead of an actual threat.
2:56:08 he said he was going to start working on Season 5 but we want to know how long
Prolly late this year he hasn’t even started watching it yet
@@hermanporter1747 nah late next year most likely
@@emiliomarbanjrI’d say early next year, late next 2025 is pretty late
@@JosephPao more like 10 to 12 hours long
@@hermanporter1747he is watching now
1:42:05 I love how this was the one time that Barry decides to chase after the bad guy after he runs away and it just happens to be when he loses his powers. Outstanding
So fucking true
The worst part is that are more scenes that more frustrating than that one
A masterpiece of comedy
lmfao didn't even realise that this is actually the only time he makes an attempt
Also in cognitive science, we learn that toddlers when something is hidden from them will think that the item just vanished off the face of the earth since they don’t have the mental capacity to realize that it’s right behind the wall or screen, so in other words team flash and their writers have the mental capability of toddlers. Fantastic
I have the theory that there isn’t a script for this show, they just gather the actors somewhere with the recording crew and come up with the scenes on the spot
if that was true, we’d have ghost stories version 2
@@wrightcemberdamn, live action Ghost Stories would actually go hard
@@SunshowerWonderlab it would…
Honestly it'd be a more coherent show if they did that
@gameoverload3252 Why wouldn't he? in fact it's practically half true since we already knew they let certain actors direct entire episodes and it's definitely written like they came up with it on the spot.
Stopping to talk would work in a world where the Flash was so competent, that he doesn't feel the need to immediately incapacitate a person. He just rocks up, trys to understand the goomba and if they aren't the type to calm the fug down, cuff em.
Spiderman can do this cus hes actually competent
@@ocbmega1011also spiderman isn't super speed and does his taunting while getting shit done, and uses taunting as a tool
The Flash actually did this right once, when Barry had to deal with a gang of card deck villains sometime in season 8. He stopped to let them let out all their card puns, and made immediate work of them once they jumped him.
@@egg7540 yeah. Too bad its in fucking season 8. Took him 8 years. Also season 8 seemed like it was gonna be a saving grace and maybe the writers managed to return a little competence to the show, and then season 9 happened 😪
@@ocbmega1011 fr Spidey's got it
48:19 the only excuse I have for Barry telling the cops everything is because he’s also a cop by proxy and naïvely trusts them
Its actually the flash's thing in the comics to stop and talk to his bad guys too, because he believes that they can change. The main difference is that the comics version is smart and fast enough to react when stopping to talk goes wrong, whereas this show just has barry/wally getting absolutely destroyed whenever they stop to talk, which is every episode.
I agree it's slightly better, but I'd still argue that it's way smarter and safer to talk someone down after capturing them and locking them up in a meta prison
@@mac1991seth well yeah but most villains in the comics actually have a counter to flash's speed, like captain cold's cold field, heatwave temp manipulation, golden gliders speed force sap, etc
@@DaDonroy101 Okay, that makes sense. Way more sense than running into a beam of cold "because".
That and the comic version snapped thawne's neck.
@@mac1991seth it's kinda crazy how they skipped over crucial parts of characters equipment, like the only instance i think they didn't have these counters was in there first outings then developed them later after facing the flash for the first time (because comic villains always escape prison)
I love how Wells having to use the intelligence booster to come up with normal plans works completely because everyone else is too braindead to even come up with half sensible solutions
wells had to damage his own brain to the point of being less smart than iris just because barry wouldnt fucking take down devoe
Barry Allen refusing to be the Flash while imprisoned is made even worse when in Episode 12 he drops a random inmate off in China without anyone noticing he's gone. Meaning that Barry could easily superspeed out of his cell, knockout or transfer said supervillain to iron Heights, and then comeback without anyone noticing.
he tried it once and immediately got caught by a hidden camera
@@MisterTTGAND??? who gon stop him? He gets caught blinking on camera all the time. Crossing the ocean isn't slower than staying in the country to a place you already know?
The saddest part about the flash is most of these problems could be fixed in 1-2 episodes MAX like hitting someone at Mach 5 could have been explained with Barry hitting a meta and eviscerating them which could explain his hesitancy to fight and why he doesn't use his speed in fights to its fullest advantage
By hesitancy to fight i mean standing around and being useless while having the ability to end any and every confrontation in a picosecond 😉(Excluding other speedsters and other absurdly fast moving superhero's/villains)
I was thinking the same thing. Frozen-literally a movie targeted at kids-had that trope done pretty well. Elsa accidentally hurt Anna and the guilt from it as well as the fear invoked in her due to her parents hammering the “conceal don’t feel” mindset into her head leaves her reluctant to use her abilities at all. It comes to a head multiple times when she gets overwhelmed and nearly hurts innocent people + nearly kills Anna a second time.
That could’ve been an awesome trope for Barry. He accidentally hurts/kills someone and is so reluctant to use his powers that they “build up” and make it dangerous for him to lose his cool/get overwhelmed. Cue an arc where he has to work on balancing it out and the fear never fully goes away (I mean, if you accidentally hurt/kill someone it kind of sticks) so he still has moments where he struggles to fight out of fear of it happening again.
Some other “weaknesses” that I’ve thought of are:
- He could keep getting stuck in Flashtime. It happens when he gets surprised or overwhelmed and he has to wait for his body to physically exhaust itself before he can escape it.
- He could start phasing whenever he gets upset. I’m pretty sure there was an episode where Barry couldn’t stop phasing and there were repercussions for it that the team had to work out. That would be a decent trope IMO
- He could get severe headaches from all the speed thinking. These could result in slip-ups when he’s fighting and saving people. Maybe make it so Caitlyn comes up with a medication but it’s so potent that it has side effects of its own and Barry has to choose between one or the other.
These are just some that I liked the idea of but it’s just my opinion so I’m sure not everyone would like those tropes :)
Sometimes I worry that my writing is terrible and inconsistent. Whenever that happens in the future, I will go and rewatch this video, as a reminder that if something this inconsistent and this riddled with plotholes and characters just being stupid for no reason other than the plot needs them to be stupid in order to happen can be a big successful TV show, then a few small inconsistencies or plotholes won't hurt my books that like 3 people read
Agreed.
A lot of people write by thinking of a start and end then connecting them, but that's where inconsistencies appear. Instead you should start with a vague idea and add detail to it. Foreshadowing can even be done better like this because it may even appear unintentionally.
@@puppergump4117yea, that works pretty well
@@puppergump4117thats more then likely what they have always done
The sad part is that it's not even the actors fault. It's the horrible writers
exactly, i think the actors are great. just the goddamn writing.
@@fearlesstay Don't go overboard here, the actors are decent AT BEST. But yeah, that also is the directors' and writers' fault.
@@92brunodf credit is given where it is due, they all have plenty of moments where they prove they are good actors. It's common sense to know that bad writing will affect how the actor's skills are portrayed.
anyone can act easily
@@eddieedward656 I think you're underestimating acting
1 Simple fix to most problems is just to say that the Meta Cuffs need to be configured to specific meta abilities.
Therefore Flash needs to stop to talk, get enough info about the power, and then Cisco configures them and idk wirelessly uploads them to the cuffs so that Barry can put them on and have them work or something.
That's quite a smart weakness, considering the weird concept of one single tech that neutralizes several abilities (as if it was some dispell magic thing).
Congrats, you’re smarter than every CW writer ever. This is actually a clever way of allowing dialogue and tension when Barry could otherwise defuse everything instantly
Got any other plot hole fixes?
@@danguerette2099To be fair, being smarter than a CW writer is not a high bar to clear.
Idk, Barry could just knock the metas unconscious and bring them to the dampening room, no cuffs needed.
@@wkoya4803they are talking about a fix to whatever was actually shown in the show. This isn't a film, and so it makes sense if the writers include some banter between the heroes and the villians. But this is a good reason to validate this talk.
I keep getting annoyed at madvocate repeating "knock him out" or "cuff her" over and over. Then I remember "oh thats right!" It isn't Madvocate I should be annoyed at. It's the writers for creating such a long period he has to fill explaining their mistake.
Yeah i think that's the point. The amount of opportunities he had to just cuff him was represented by repeating cuff him lol
There's a flash comic where some villains talk about how central city is a no go zone because of how insanely OP flash is. Somebody needs to send the writers each a copy of the issue.
bro chased someone to the end of the universe for a lollipop
If I recall correctly I read somewhere that Flash’s Rogue’s Gallery have a truce with him saying that they won’t harm innocent people so long as Flash actually gives them a chance at a fair fight. That’s kinda hilarious that his own villains convinced him he’s too OP and needs a nerf
@@shadowofdread7018not even just that, a good number of villains actually respect flash as a person.
Not that they don’t hate him for foiling their plans, but a few actually recognise him being a good person.
Facts lol
In season 5 it is revealed that Kaitlyn/Frost isn't a Meta, which means that the meta cuffs don't work on her. Meaning she shouldn't get captured in episode 9.
I realize that Kaitlyn loses her powers to Devoe in episode 18 again. This is explained away in season 5 but the explanation is stupid.
But they didn't know that at the time. So why didn't he try it?
The Flash has been inconsistent with Killer Frost. First it was Flashpoint then she became a Hulk like character and then much more.
Firstly, any cuffs will restrain her or at least make it harder for her to move. Secondly, wtf is this name Kaitlyn? Is it really how it's spelled?
@@kikosawa For what it's worth, it's spelled "Caitlin" in the show.
I love Madvocate’s brief little affections for Ralph.
Y’know when Ralph is consistently a good character and not sacrificed on the podium of “CW’s highlight reel for kicks”
Yeah he was really good. Too bad he got into trouble. But even he wasn't enough to save the show.
Plastic Man is always a delight, even the CW couldn't immedialty Ruin him.
@@xadalau9758Actually that's elongated man not plastic man they are two different characters.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Sorry, I confused the two because both have their name translated the same here in my country.
@@malikpierre-louis3343Plastic Man > Elongated Man
I'm watching this video six months after and I realized something in episode 18 lose yourself. Barry said they never have to kill but at the end of season 4, Barry assisted Ralph into getting his body and mind back, the thinker died during that. And let's not forget how his wife killed him too when he consciousness was inside the chair. So the thinker died twice in one episode
"Id rather go to prison for life than to fabricate evidence even though I know I am innocent"
>gets out of prison because his friends fabricate evidence on his behalf an he thanks them for it
"I will do anything to stop the thinker, except kill him"
>end up stopping the thinker by erasing his consciousness, which effectively kills him
I feel like the writers realize how op the flash is so they put him under some ridiculous moral constraints so he doesnt just instanstly win, but at the same time they arent smart enough to cleverly get around their own rules so they just have them not matter in the end and just dont acknowledge it.
It is such flimsy and unbelievably bad writing. Its not just the bad set ups of action scenes which could be maybe excused, the core structure of the plot itself breaks your suspension of disbelief.
@tobiasbayer4866 the shows not inconsistent for nothing lol
As I like to say: team flash is morally good sometimes maybe
Hey, give DeVoe a chance. He was a good villain, especially in the episode where he said “it’s thinkin time” and started thinking all over Team Flash.
They say that I’m on the roll maybe I just lost control
Jokes aside, devoe is actually very underrated in my opinion
@@minilla2934burn ur opinion
@@minilla2934i haven't watched season 4 but i can see why like holy fuck this mf is even worse than Savitar
@@minilla2934 He was a better idea than basically any other main villains for sure. Its just a shame a villain called 'The Thinker' was handed over to CW writers... notorious about their inability to think. For what its worth, I liked the Thinker, despite his brief appaerance, better in the Suicide Squad movie played by Capaldi.
@@1o3mj no
Also you didn't mention it, but Devoe could still prevent himself from being spotted in public by simply using Ralph's ability to morph into someone else.
LMAOCJAKDJKSKFKEKFKF
"Calculate All possibilities across different earths"
What. A. Joke.
I think people tend to forget the only way for a non speedster to beat the flash is to have some automatic defense, like sand man or Senestro
Or in this show
A door
@@molassesman4066 I'm pretty sure he could be defeated by a banana peel in this show
@@potatolord2196the mostly deadly foe, "Removing Floor Hazard Signs Man"
@@molassesman4066or a ten second diversion
@@coledog10 telling him they are leaving then walk away
Slow enough that vegeta goes "he-s fast!"
So with the whole thing about Ralph having a dozen powers, my personal theory is that the powers of DeVoe were linked to his mind and because Ralph was still there his powers were with him. Now that DeVoe is gone so is his mind, no more bus meta powers Ralph just has his
Well it's really dumb he even kept Ralph's mind alive. So at any point, after one of the dozens of times they could have easily captured Devoe, they could have done the same thing in another body and "kill" Devoe by having that meta walk out of their mind hole.
The real reason Devoe's plan is full of holes is revealed at the end of the season: using the intelligence booster caused Wells to suffer brain damage and it was also going to be used to wipe the minds of everyone on the planet, which means that Devoe didn't actually have super intelligence, it's just that compared to Barry Allen a trained pidgeon looks like a genius so a man with the intellect of a child was actually the perfect opponent for a battle of the minds.
Pathetic
So the show was gaslighting us and when they realised they weren't smart enough to write a goof plan for a smart villain they retconned themselves. Right?
@@sushant832Exactly 😂
@@mattsterx damn lmao
I mean Savitar was dumb too.
At least Thawne and Zoom had mostly consistent, good plans.
"What if I create a vacuum around him?"
Thats... not how radiation works...
The cw probably thinks birds arent dinosaurs because 'they are not big enough.
Its literally called radiation
I think radiation can travel through vaccum@@joaopadua7134
Everyone knows radiation can't travel through a vacuum.
Meanwhile radiation travelling through the VACUUM OF SPACE
to be fair the guy is generating air kinda
If you do Season 5, you should do a count of useful items and powers the show forgot about.
Genius!
It’s gonna be so painful for him to watch 😂
anytime Ralph is on screen that's like 6 or 7 powers forgotten lmao
Specifically invisibility
They do not use that as much as they could have
True. He should just do season 9 though. That was brutal.
1:55:00 to be fair, he did say "have", meaning he wanted to kill those people
Excellent point
You meant He didn't want to kill these people.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 he meant what he said
@@dukeslytalker1192I guess 🤷🏿♂️.
I like how Barry claims that he doesn't kill, but then he goes ahead and suggests, "Hey Ralph, let's extract you from DeVoe's brain, effectively erasing him." What exactly did Barry anticipate happening to DeVoe? Did he believe that DeVoe would miraculously emerge unscathed, in a different body alive and well?
To be fair, when it comes to killing a psychopath murderer in exchange of saving someone i think it goes away the morality aspect of no killing.
You can effectively spin it into, saving Ralph and sucks for DeVoe for body snatching someone else.
Still that doesn't fix all the other murders from Team Flash part. Or how DeVoe could have been stopped way earlier before it got into that point.
IT’s is difference with a low killer or someone like grood but Devo is a trying erase the mind of the world and is a psychopath
DeVoe killed himself and left his body in Barry's apartment
@@santiagovidelaleivathe problem being that if it’s ok to kill Devoe then, why not kill him earlier?
@@inquisitor9207 When you have powers like the Flash, a "no killing rule" makes sense, you are so incredible op that most situations you can solve without any blood spilled. But in this particularly case, there really isn't an answer to save Ralph and arrest DeVoe at the same time, you have to chose one and saving ralph should have priority.
Why don't kill earlier? why is even needed to do that? he could have removed him out of his chair and lock him in a cell in less than second before any of this happen.
While there are no real life laws or ethics about body swapping or body stealing, i would argue that in the Flash universe you can say that DeVoe killed himself. The victimized host of any body swapping shenanigan should always take priority against the perpetrator. And because DeVoe destroyed his own body, he simply sealed his fate without leaving any possibility of his own arrest.
The Flash can be a bad show but at least they can be consistent following these simple sci fi ethics. The unintended host should always take priority... right?...
Everything in this show couldve been solved if Barry would've said something like. "I have to turn my speed perception on and off because life would be torture if I was always living my life in slow motion" that would make it 90 times easier to justify why Barry goes Braindead half the time in which he should actually be using his powers instead of standing there
or sometimes I turn it off because running places would feel like it was taking way too long
Or something as simple as “it’s a difficult skill to use and uses up way to much energy to be used constantly”
@@trafficcone7344 this has been parroted many times but what were the writers smoking lmao. Its like the writers for this show only only go through one draft and call it a day. These explanations wouldve literally only taken up one scene in s1 and wouldve excused Barry for the rest of the show
@@Pellzwell you see, in true flash spirit, the writers decided to write each episode as fast as they could, only giving themselves a short time limit to do so in.
This way, they could really connect with the character of the flash. /s
I see what u mean but if he knows he is going to fight a villan or be cocky and talk before he does anything wouldn’t it be smarter to have it on I understand when he’s out of the suit but it seems stupid to keep it off when uk your about to fight
Madvocate, you forgot to mention when Iris complained that Barry left her alone in the beginning is inconsistent with Barry allowing himself to get arrested knowing he's leaving Iris alone again 😂
She brings that up during the trial and acts all pissy when it’s used against him during it.
And why wally wasnt using super speed to fight sameroid
How is that inconsistent though? She was still upset about him being gone the second time just not at Barry. And Barry believed he had no choice because he would’ve been on the run.
if flash had half the iq of quicksilver in this series it woulnt even have 2 seasons
According to thawne the original timeline Barry is extremely smart
Iris being completely insufferable is the most consistent thing about this show.
But.. they need drama!
Since the first season. And the crying chick from Arrow, Oliver's original girlfriend. Even the nerd that he gets in a relationship with later became insufferable after the 3rd season.
@@rutwickgangurde3247in Laurel's defense she thought Oliver got her sister killed. I won't defend felicity. She has no excuse
@@patrickfisher2817 Laurel's journey was a hot mess, but she had her reasons. Iris and Felicity will be ok with something one day, then make up a reason to be upset about it the next day. I hoped Iris would have brought stability and be a voice of reason, qualities of a good leader for team Flash. Instead, her character was turned into a source of drama
I really admire Madvocate's optimism. Considering he has seen Barry for 3.5 years of in-world time, Madvocate is still confident that if Barry was not in prison he could've cuffed those metas and saved people in the process, despite Barry not doing that 99.5% of the time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
99.9%
I don't think he actually thought he would. I think he just missed not being able to say "cuff 'im" and "cuff 'er".
This is my issue with people portraying a super intelligent person in media is that they always want to severely dumb down everyone else just to make it work rather than having everyone make logical decisions that fit the IQ of their characters.
This is why i love kingdom
that's something I've been hoping to avoid myself.
@Frank___hassle__ problem is, the show expects us to believe that Devoe is what a genius looks and acts like.
@@christopherbravo1813well, it may well be what they think it looks like, it’s not just a person who worked really really hard to get where they are and had the brainpower to understand what they were doing, no instead it’s just someone who pulls random bs explanations out of their butt and thinks Rube Goldberg devices are the perfect plan.
@@acewmd. I think it's what they think the people who criticize the *show* look like.
down to them "not being able to account for feelings."
Funny how Barry thought it was a good idea to bring Izzy Bowen to DeVoe knowing that was exactly what DeVoe wanted 💀💀
Yeah and he doesn’t need Izzy to beat devoe 💀💀
Something i just realized: season 5's main villain, cicada, is created from the explosion of the satellite, which only happened due to constant incompetence from barry in season 4. This means that every single person that cicada hurts, kidnaps or kills in season 5, regardless of how much it makes sense in the moment, they will have to fall under the "should have been saved" category.
Since the episode flashtime basically says flash is faster than light any death is basically avoidable
@Frank___hassle__this gets worse that even if Flash was in Mach 1 he would be 10x faster than most cars nowdays
Tbh the entire problem is that the show wants to be a drama, but The Flash is more of a comedy that sometimes gets deadly serious.
@Frank___hassle__Exactly. It cannot work as a pure drama for those reasons, because if they write the characters as not being morons, it can't have those sorts of stakes every episode.
The way to solve "don't stop and talk" honestly is to run with the concept that most of the Rogues are pretty mentally ill and it's purely a compassion thing, that Barry is always trying to talk them down because he doesn't want to hurt them. And just get rid of the cuffs as a concept. That tech shouldn't be able to be transported, preventing Barry from having an easy solution every time.
Even _then_ though, once Barry can't talk people down, it should usually end with him just transporting them away unless there's other circumstances. A good Flash show would need to abuse death traps and hostages and "a bunch of things all at once". Rogues should be using things like "I've rigged myself to explode if a speed detector in my body goes above a certain speed", "if I don't enter this code repeatedly innocent people die", "five of us are doing crimes in five separate locations and we all have hostages and are in contact so if you stop one of us the others kill theirs", "if there's too much vibrational force from your speed, these explosives will detonate", and stuff like that.
Also, nerf Barry. All you need to do there is to erase the whole "speed force prevents damage" concept. If Barry has to control his speed to not kill people or destroy things or vaporize things, it keeps him at a speed limit of a few hundred miles per hour tops outside of when he _needs_ to go faster and not care about the consequences.
Ironically, leaning more into the interpersonal drama aspects would benefit it. A lot of episodes should not be about stopping someone who should be easily stopped. Most Flash superhero work should be a comedy. Flash stopping to talk shouldn't stop him from winning, it should be "when they're not mentally ill and are just normal criminals, he's toying with them and just absolutely degrading them and messing with them, even letting them have hope of winning just for the heck of it, and the viewer always feels secure he's going to win despite all that because they're so pathetic compared to him". That could also feed into developing new rogues, people who have really grown to hate him because he just broke them down and humiliated them.
Captain Cold in particular is perfect for all of these concepts. "Oh Flash, yeah, you could just stop me, same as ever, right? Only... do you know where all the people i left freezing to death are? Sure, you could look for them, sure, you might find most of them, but if I don't get out of here scot free, you'll never know how many there are to find. I get back to my base, you get all their locations. Don't worry, nobody will die if you do what I say, you'll have enough time to save them all."
@@jackunknown1692 No he isn't. His Top speed is Mach 20, as in the Armageddon Crossover. In order to go Faster than the Speed of Light, he has to go at least Mach 881,735.
I find it amazing that each season of The Flash somehow found a unique way to be worse than the previous one by far.
truly impressive
Remenber, there is no end to human imagination for both great and compeltly retarded things. Afterall we nearly destroyed ourselves during the cold war because the US though it was a smart idea to detonate a nuke in the skie.
@@slevinchannel758911:10 just proving guys point
Just wait until season 7, it ends with barry and evil flash having a lightsaber duel on a rooftop (I am not joking)
@@samcraig8533 Yes but what about my comment?
These videos are always the same, but madvocate getting pissed about how stupid the show is will never get old 😭🤣😭🤣
fr😭😭
The comics also the same
Ong 😭
@Amanuelspeaksfacts the CW's Flash doesn't even have good CGI, so the bad writing doesn't really help much for the show's image. Some of the comics have cool art that'll at least intrigue someone. (Though, I'm not really a comic Flash fan, so I might be wrong about that).
@@Hoopsforlife11 Funny enough, some of these villain comic interpretations have at least hidden details or stuff to excuse on what's happening(Captain Cold having The Cold Field, a weapon that stops motion & completely freezes all of your Protons & Neutrons and is stated to slow anyone who isn't a top tier speedster to a crawl) .The show doesn't though and just make him either just...stand there and stare, or somehow not react to the most basic hand to hand combat gesture, run *past* the main antagonist on purpose..etc.
I really hope you at least do one more season. I love watching you tear this show up, it deserves it. So many dumb things, I could write a whole different script for this video.
The Thinker being the smartest man in the world seems totally ridiculous at first glance…
BUT, remember the world Thinker is in. It’s easy to see why Devoe would assume that he’s smarter than everyone else. He can react and think faster than the resident speedster and all of his posse combined.
It’s easy to be the big fish in a small pond when the pond is about as deep as a Petri dish.
Except he shouldn't be an issue for a dude that runs faster than light.
@@jackunknown1692 correct. The whole show is predicated on Barry Allen being unbelievably incompetent at leveraging his powers. Devoe shouldn’t be able to do anything to react to Barry’s supersonic (and even superluminal) speed at all.
But Barry keeps sitting there doing nothing instead of:
Throwing literally anything at Devoe
Just smacking him with a stick
Injecting him with tranquilizers
Disassembling his power chair at light speed
Removing Devoe’s toupee
Slapping power cuffs on Devoe
Asking for backup from the demigod next door that is Kara Zor El.
Relocating Devoe’s targets to an alternate reality.
Dropping EMP devices in Devoe’s base when the smug moron opens a portal in front of Barry.
My comment was highlighting how dumb everyone in the setting is. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Except Devoe, our “one eyed man,” has extreme stigmatism in this analogy.
Now I know why the thinker is so intelligent.. They had to use a brain enhancer tech to think that they need to run facial recognition technology...
Like how dumb are those people... Even a monkey would learn after being slapped twice..... Use flash time apprehend them..
I really want to see a villain who would trick the flash into using his powers just to outsmart him by getting caught and releasing all the villains that he had previously caught.. And then starts to keep speed bombs everywhere.. Everytime flash touches the bombs in the city to disarm them the bombs would latch onto him and then would blast if he slows down or gets into the vicinity of another bomb.. It would create a scenario where flash is being toyed around by the villain while the villain starts to target his family and he has to choose between the city and his family..
Taking 4-5 hostages everytime with speed bombs that will explode everytime they're in contact with the speed force or moved faster than a nano second...
It can span 1 season.. With this storyline... But the writer is just crap at this point
@@Xenobears missed opportunity for "He just stood there...frozen..."
@@Xenobearsi don't understand if you are serius or didn't pay attention, the thinker doesn't need to react to barry, he literally knows every single move he is gonna do so he can just predict it, while flash can't predict his dodging.
I love how consistently the writers are in degrading flash, a super hero that could literally vibrate within the speedforce so hard he can punch out superman, move so fast he can travel through time itself etc. Only to be taken down by opponents that only have supersonic screeches as a power.
***Guy with a gun***
@@Cujak that one too. Radioactive Guy with no gun too
Guy with fart gun
@@Cujakguy with ice gun
*Average Twitter User #
I love how the whole routine of "we don't kill..." and "we don't have to kill anyone..." creates a massive rift to previous seasons and actions from these characters and it could be solved with writing, and not even clever writing at that.
All you're missing is a god damn "...anymore." at the end and give them a singular moment of guilt and then never bring it up again. It's a bit patchy and it doesn't solve all the other problems with the show, but it's issues like these that shouldn't even arise in the first place lmao
season 5 would literally kill madvocate, a literal serial killer and they fail to catch him bc their worried about killing him😭 like dude he’s gonna kill you and everyone just beat him to a pulp and lock bro in the pipeline
The nuclear bomb episode is when I completely checked out of the show
Flash can walk casually and hold multiple conversations while a nuclear bomb is in the process of exploding
He's moving at 99.98% light speed
He's unstoppable
Nothing past this episode makes sense
That's where I completely gave up on the show even when i liked it back in the day.
This is one of the biggest speed feats of the entire show and should allow barry to statue almost every opponent. Him touching someone at that speed would feel like a thousand freight trains hitting someones skull at once.
If he had some kind of temporary amp going on at the time it would make sense but no this utterly obliterates any excuse barry has against a non speedster giving him an entire episode amount of trouble.
then you didn't pay attention to earlier seasons, as he did a similar thing in early season 1, when he was WAY slower. And Madvocate even shows a clip from it in this video.
@@superbrainz2357 watch early season 1. Oh wait, turns out he could do it pretty much from the show's start.
He can beat anyone
@@tabalugadragon3555which scene/episode was this?
During Flashtime Jessie went to Earth 3 to get Jay Garrick which implies she opened a breach, but earlier in the episode it was established a breach can’t open in flashtime.
Jesus Christ...
Omg, you're right
I swear I loved this show and I still do but I can never see it the same again after all Madvocates criticism videos and you guy’s comments I was honestly shocked how inconsistent this show is!
@@AdhvaithSane You and me both!
@@AdhvaithSane I liked season 1 even if i saw a lot of stupid things in it, but i ignored them because i'm used to shows on CW not being the best written and i'm also a comic reader and those are full of dumb character decisions for the sake of the plot, but i just couldn't ignore the same dumb decisions every season and opted out after finale of season 3.
Ralph making that snide comment about Iris being a bad leader, was one of the best season 4 moments.
Sadly he gets shat on for it, which leads to the entire conflict of Iris getting speed because she goes into the field to prove a point.
timestamp?
Ralpha was the only semi competent character there.
@@maestro_303 th-cam.com/video/dMe0CqGOnnI/w-d-xo.html
1:10-1:23
Also, since the cork sphere is now destroyed, shouldn’t the speed force now be raining hell on earth and demanding for Barry to go back into the speed force?
Watching this video made me think about an episode from "Teen Titans Go" where Robin finally got superpowers for the first time. The powers Robin was giving was equivalent to Superman (Super Strength, Speed, Heat Wave Vision, ETC). The best part about this is that it took Robin a whole 10 seconds to end crime all over the city (I say city because my brain is a bit fuzzy if he'd ended crime all over the world). With that accomplishment, the rest of team decided to disband cause Robin has pretty much had it all figure out and no longer was needed. Time went by and Robin was pretty much isolated for the rest of his life with just a job, no friends or a family of his own as he question if the powers he was giving was a curse.
Moral of the story is... *Teen Titans Go Is Better Than CW Flash.*
That’s peak superhero fiction
He ended every problem in the entire world
teens titans go is horrible but better than the Flash
Wow
@@thabangpatiko9869teen titans go isnt horrible and never was. You guys only hate it bc it shares its namesake with the original teen titans show which in and of itself wasn’t even that good of a show in the first place. Massively overrated
@@Leg1503all except his own.
This show desperately wanted to be the new Smallville. It wanted flavor-of-the-week mutants with interesting powers and it wanted seasonal arc villains too. The issue is that Clark Kent didn't start out with his skin being resistant to everything. He didn't start out at his full strength, AND he himself had to constantly learn his growing strength. He had a crippling weakness, Kryptonite, which was also the thing that tended to CREATE those villains, so it came up a lot and would turn the tides in encounters he would've otherwise handled with ease. He was also presented with a lot of circumventions to his incredible resilience, especially early on.
He generally either fought villains who were powered up enough to be a threat or that countered his abilities in one or more ways, and during the later parts of the series, it wasn't afraid to show him resolve minor threats easily since he was getting into being a proper vigilante by that point. But before he started using costumes, he was resolving local threats which prevented him from publicly displaying his powers against the threats which would come from seemingly nowhere, which put a lot of constraints on what he could do.
Although in hindsight, I'm sure the show has a fair few "Clark can generally move and think at super speed so why isn't he dodging a normal-speed super-punch", but the show doesn't present him as having the same kind of automatic "I enter slow-mo whenever a threat generally presents itself and I can stay like that for an eternity" like Flash does, so he's very capable of being both surprised and overwhelmed.
Clark's speed is also a fair bit slower through most of the show, and he constantly has to deal with threats far outside the reach of a single town or city, often times being located both in the middle of nowhere or very far away, so often times the issue is actually finding the villain and 'getting there in time' rather than failing to use his abilities like Flash does. With the kind of threats Flash faces, he needs to be dealing with threats on the scale of at least an entire U.S. state if they ever want "We don't know where X is" and "Can I get there in time" circumstances to be plausible challenges, but the show refuses to ever shoot in locations that aren't in the city it's set in.
And Clark has an actual weakness
@@BigZ-19 The way it was used wasn't exactly that great, considering how many episodes contained scenes where Clark was out of order thanks to Kryptonite-pieces around or people with powers gained by Kryptonite.
But yes, at least it was a good explanation. As far as i remember he used his powers consistantly when he was able to. Just having someone forget what he could do or react slower than he should be able to is way worse.
If the Flash-writers would do a Captain America-movie, they would let him save the day by throwing his shield - but only after at least 20 situations where the shield would have been usefull if he hadn't forgotten to use it (while having it on his back).
I love how you just started talking about Smallville instead.
@@dabartos4713 Yeah that was... literally the thesis statement? It wanted to be like Smallville and it failed for the reasons that are the subject of the comment.
A few issues that you missed.
1. in episode 12, when barry runs ratchet all the way to china, he somehow was caught on camera doing that even though a friend of mine did the calculations and it turns out that barry would have been going so fast that the camera would not have seen him but it did anyway.
2. When izzy loses her violin right before devoe kills her, she still could have used her hands to shoot the sonic energy at him like she did earlier but just stands there.
Back when I watched the show with my dad, he actually pointed out how dumb barry was being in episode 7, as well as how dumb all of team flash was being in that episode. I did not listen to him then. He was right all along.
A lot of people have done those calculations. Those calculations assume that 1. Barry runs at a constant speed and is not going slower within the prison and then accelerating later. 2. There is no cut within that scene and he actually ran to China in 5 seconds.
3. The camera is not a very high speed camera even though the warden knew Barry was a speedster.
People always talk shit about that scene, but when you take this into account it makes perfect sense.
@@Dunhaibee Yeah, if you force your characters to be dumb, stupid situations to happen, and try to fill in the plot holes for the writers, anything can make sense 😂.
1:02:41 couldn’t Cisco like open a breach under Trickster and like put him at the precinct or something
Couldn’t he do that to anyone should Barry be preoccupied
Yes
I love how this season hammers in the "We don't kill no matter what" thing but Barry's ultimate plan to stop the Thinker would, in his own words, erase his very existence.
Its a weird standard in media that death is okay as long as it isnt bloody despite some fates being worse without it
Remember kids! Gory deaths are morally wrong and should never be used.
Shredding someone on a molecular level and erasing them from reality or ripping their soul out is ok though.
@@superbrainz2357 Because it's never about morals, it's just about the stupid censorship system the US has
@@superbrainz2357 Remember that eternally locking them in a capsule where they're conscious but they can't move is better than shooting them with a gun!
@@goosegas2087 Fates worse than death are low key terrifying.
Shooting a character and having them bleed out isnt allowed yet having them be calcified through a heat vaporization attack and then blown into space only to drift for eternity while still alive is somehow fine though.
A character that regenrates will constantly have chunks of their body repeately mutilated or cut off.
Life force/soul is removed from the body and the victim lives on as a mindless hollow shell with no way of reversing the effects and essentially denied to move on to the in universe afterlife.
Wally in the comics actually did something like that to barry's murderer.
He zapped the guys speed essentially making him a statue and then placed him in the flash museum looking at barry's flash memorabilia for the rest of his life. That was pretty brutal.
All of these are honestly way more terrifying to me than being shot or stabbed ever could.
This made me realize something, Berry 100% had time to move devoes body to a lake or vat of acid and thus make it nearly impossible to convict him for murder, and it wouldn't conflict with any of his morals since he's literally innocent
That whole plot was dumb. He did nothing wrong and 10,000 ways to get out of it, but for absolutely no reason he decides to just let it happen. Was he really willing to just spend the rest of his life in prison? I call bull
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023nihilistic flash is actually super frustrating lol. He really would have just let everyone in the future he could have saved rot while he rots in jail. Why?
He would be tampering with evidence at a crime scene. And that's a criminal offense. But there would be plenty of other ways to avoid the problem. And sometimes breaking the law is ethical. For instance, he was breaking and entering in the first place. The only reason going to jail makes sense would be that he thought he could easily challenge the charges in court. And that, in the long run, would be the better strategy. Doing that might be wiser than digging himself in deeper by tampering with evidence. But they didn't do a great job of explaining that was the case. And just standing there was beyond stupid. Just leave and deal with situation in court if the police actually bring charges against you. Why do their job for them and offer them absolute proof of Barry being there. The other evidence could be more easily challenged.
@@TerryProtheroDude he's the fucking Flash lol. They wouldn't have caught him if he tampered with the evidence. This is the stupidest justification for bad writing.
@@bananamerchant6387 in fairness, the not tampering with evidence would probably be more of a moral thing than a required thing.
The way you can tell in each video he progressively get more angry at the show is just pure gold
That's the price he has to pay for using his brain while watching television 🤣
Ok
1:12:29 wait, in arrow there’s a man who PERFECTLY impersonates people for days on end…..Barry and Oliver are in constant contact….
I would genuinely love to see the writers reacting to this series of videos.
That's what i thought the whole time
Why do you want to see them crying for hours on end
@@puppergump4117because they deserve it smhh
@@puppergump4117 Schadenfreude.
Would any of them admit to writing this more than being on the credits?
The fact that the show said that devoe couldn’t determine emotion is impossible. He created each meta human for his plan and any possibilities that is plan could be beaten but he created weeper, which would be useless to him beside from controlling Marcines emotion, which means devoe predicted she would feel that way.
Oh damn I didn’t realize that.
I think the writers fully expected the audience to assume that as he got closer to achieving his goals and after losing his original body that he had ‘become’ something else. The lazy answer they didn’t even bother to explain explicitly is that emotion is inherently unpredictable, meaning no amount of logic will perfectly explain emotional reactions, they just didn’t do any of the work to build up to that or make it clear that’s what they meant to convey. I think they also mean to say that by evincing emotion and striving to understand the world through pure logic, he lost the ability to empathize. But, from his point of view, he had no good reason to empathize with any part of humanity in its current state, including Marlize, apparently. Seemingly even before he got his powers he was somewhat of a sociopath. The only time they even attempted to explain that was with off-handed comments about how gaining super-intellect literally turned him into a psychopath. How creative. They didn’t even bother to have the characters reflect on him failing because he was trivializing emotion, except during motivational speeches by Barry and co. where they basically just say ‘he’s a psycho and we’re good guys so we got this’. Like with every other big bad previously shown.
I think the lazy part is they didn’t even both to explore ideas on what intelligence even is during a season where the main conflict is being produced by a somewhat sociopathic extremist who gained ‘super-intelligence’ and decided to remake the world in his image. The only time they really did was at the very end when they decided to define intelligence as not including emotional intelligence. They didn’t bother to explain the difference between the two, they basically just said that positive emotions beat pure, unfathomably precise logic because ‘logic can’t explain emotions’. They didn’t bother to really explore how Devoe’s beliefs and ideology (nor his own feelings) shaped his perspective, or how that related to his intelligence, hardly whatsoever. They were trying so hard to make him evil and scary that they didn’t bother to actually characterize him except by showing that he is the stupidest super-genius ever, or, I guess… that he is technically right, but his decisions are still bad because he doesn’t value emotions? It’s not really clear.
It seems he does value emotions in the flashback scenes, and they don’t really do much to distinguish between his borderline sociopathic worldview and tendencies from before and after he got his powers. Did his powers make him more of who he already was? Did they make his underlying mental health issues worse? What gives? Or is he just misguided? What exactly even caused Devoe to believe that Marlize would turn on him? Was he always paranoid about it? Did it have something to do with the fact his plan included bodyhopping and he thought Marlize would leave him when it happened, so when he designed the metas he planned for that outcome? How did any of that actually go?
I know what the season 4 writers have to say about that:
It is of no concern.
Kind of amazing how writers seem to struggle with the concept of Object Permanence. It's like all it takes for a bad guy to escape is to go off screen and Barry can't catch up.
Really ironic that a character is literally named "Peek-A-Boo"
If I ever write my stories, I´ll remember to see this show to boost my confidence.
Iris saying “Barry, knock him out and then cuff him” like if Barry was a fucking Pokémon in a turn based rpg is amazing
Fallout is the most sympathetic villain for me. The guy just opened his first bank account, got paid, all the while giving people radiation. He really does not want to hurt anyone and they made him out to be the bad guy by having him shoot Barry with radiation, etc.
fallout is like the only guy who actively did nothing wrong
Yes Fallout New Vegas is my favourite game 😂
All these inconsistencies can be underlined with one problem: they show runners really really underestimate how fast flash is supposed to be
Yeah the writers aren't superhero writers clearly, they are soap drama writers.
Oh no, they know. In one episode he’ll be fast any another slow. They know what they’re doing, it’s because it takes effort to write around such an OP character r
Nah they clearly know he's fast. They just forget in the next episode
They know he's fast as fuck. The writers mostly specialize in drama, so purposely nerf Barry to add drama.
@@willisstillhere8846 *next scene
The true effects of the speed force (Or maybe the CW Force).
“You gain the ability to have super speed beyond time and space BUT you lose/ burn through brain cells dependent on the speed of acceleration.”
I like that theory, but you need to take into account that everybody - even the "super-genius" -is also a moron. So whatever affects them it's not just limited to the speedsters ...
@@lordmontymord8701 Revised version of the theory: Barry emits an aura of stupidity that deteriorates intelligence around him, which would also explain why Devoe's plans and reasoning were actually significantly better before Barry's aura of idiocy started knocking him down a few pegs.
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That's more like it 😁
And there's the true reason DeVoe doesn't want Barry's powers, even if it would make his plans significally easier: He knows it would affect his thinking thingy in an even worse way ...
There is something special bout hearing theres no where to run followed by the smash music
The fact that these videos are growing longer at every instance really shows us a lot about the evolution of the writing in this show
Evolution implies it got better, in Darwinism the strong survive while the weak are weeded out, this is more like de-evolution.
Yeah, the farther they get - the more mistakes they make.
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Evolution is a strong word to say
@@galacticfire5315evolution can be bad too
What gets me isnt that they underpower barry, it's that they repeatedly show off the full extent of his powers only to immediately backtrack and weaken him. It would be one thing if he was consistently slower in season 4 than in his other appearances, i could accept that as being a retcon maybe. But when you go from him using superspeed in superspeed to not being able to dodge human hands is laughable.
Reminds me of Pikachu from the end of the Sinnoh region 1v1 with a Latios, then in the first episode of Black and White lose to a lvl 6 Snivy.
@@willow1601 I agree that that doesn't make sense, but at least Pikachu used the moves it had against snivy. The equivalent would be giving Pikachu an automatic win button that it refuses to press. The flash can literally stop time at will, and yet he refuses to move at all when people's lives are on the line. It makes him feel more like a villain than a hero.
@@briandiomede7354 I think the two situations are more similar than you remember. Pikachu actually doesn't use anything but iron tail against snivy. The Flash doesn't use any of the good tools he has at his disposal. However, in the pikachu situation they at least try to say it was because Zekrom was weakening him. The Flash has no excuse except maybe he fears the bad luck or something(although that is never stated).
Also technically every time one of the characters get injured after Barry goes to prison they should go on the "should have been saved" counter since if Barry wasn't arrested he would help them out and they could avoid the injury
I mean would barry be competent enough to do that tbf
He would stand around bruh
I just like to take a moment to recognize how amazing this guy is when it comes to his content creation. If you had told me yesterday that there was a three hour TH-cam video with 2.5 million views I would’ve never believed you. This guy is the funniest dude I have ever come across and the best part is everything he says is true, I can only imagine the nightmare of editing this so I am so grateful that you took the time to put in the work for this. This may be late, but congratulations.
I feel like this isn't said enough, but the editing is top tier. Must have taken forever to put a 3 hour video together. Great job.
This! I kept thinking about it throughout the video!
Iris being a journalist means she'd know laws about recording in her state, and that it's a felony to record without the other party's consent in missouri...but as a journalist, recording the conversation would absolutely occur to her and be her instinct. In this day and age, we record almost all our interviews, even if just to get a transcript for easier writing. Would have been interesting to have her like, have conflict between the law and her professional ethics and her desperation to save Barry. For all the journalist characters in superhero media, you'd think they'd make more use of the genuinely interesting ethical dilemmas inherent to the profession
That’s a pretty good idea ngl
You're allowed to record people in a public place. You're just not allowed to record phone calls. Think of all the tik tok videos of random people
Pretty sure the show doesn't take place in Missouri
I've realised the brilliance of the series, all the inconsistent character writing, abilities and stakes can all be explained by off-screen speedsters from different time periods all messing with time, creating ripples that change the world from second to second of actual screentime.
Therefore what we are actually seeing is a montage of different timelines, each with different character personalities, abilities and in-world logic strung together like frames in an animation. It truly is amazing how the writers were able to masterfully implement such a concept in their writing.
That is a brilliant theory.
Cuz im at the trial of the flash episode. How does nobody point out that theres to much evidence to the case? Barry as said during his trial he is a CSI and then played it up how he used his CSI skills to stalk and harass. Which he kinda did and kill Devo, this paints a picture of competence. All the evidence points to somebody thats petty and jealous as well as sloppy. It's to simple nothing was cleaned his prints were all over the body. And if i remember right the police came to Barry's house due to his silent alarm. The whole case has to many holes not to pick through with fine tooth comb. How Barry ends up convicted is beyond me.