BUSY! BUSY! Wax dipping some new lids & building boxes
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Here is the paraffin www.candlemaking.com/igi-1260-votive-molded-candle-wax-60lb-case.html
Here is the microcrystalline www.candlemaking.com/igi-5715-microcrystaline-wax-66lb-case.html.html
Kanmon, thank you again for providing insight into your bee operations. Would you mind sharing where one could obtain the wax dipping tank and the heating system? Said another way, what ALL do I need and where would I secure these items if I wished to wax dip all my hives now and going forward? Thanks, brother, your insights and open discussions serve the bee community at every level:) Great job guys:)
On behalf of all hobby beekeepers, your how to videos are a godsend!!! Keep them coming.
True story.
Thanks Joe!
@@kamonreynolds Are you hiring beekeepers or helpers?
@@guardiandogoargentinos1385 no we are not Dustin is a very good and good friend that once or twice a year shows up to help us try to stay ahead.
@@kamonreynolds Know of anywhere I should apply for a career in beekeeping?
"All the sudden I have about 20 mothers🤣🤣🤣"
Can you give us the dimensions for your tank? Maybe even do a quick video on it?
Sure thing
Please consider rescheduling the chat tomorrow night. Joe May has Ian on at the same start time. People would like to see and contribute to both.
Kamon, this is the second video that I’ve ever seen about wax dipping. The first one was a guy that perform the service for others and he said that as long as foam was coming out of the wood that moisture was coming out causing that and he let them cook until they quit foaming. Is that true and is the box any heavier after the wax has penetrated the wood?
I have no experience doing this.. other than watching that video or one similar. Me I think maybe water but also air.
I dont see why it wouldn't be heavier.
@Jack Hoffman - the reason that I think it will be heavier is wood is porous and if the wax is penetrating the wood and porous grains and coating the outside then the weight should increase unless it cooked out a substantial amount of moisture to offset the weight of the wax. I know they have to keep adding more wax to the pot. It may not be enough weight increase to notice the difference unless they are weighted with scales before and after the treatment.
@@donbearden1953 technically the box would be no different in weight (sap vs wax). If anything the wax would probably be lighter.
How long before you need to dip them again....
This was one of the videos I was waiting for. But you forgot to put the two kinder waxes that you use down in the description below. As well is the tank. That would be some good information to know. Thanks for sharing.
Really good video. What would you suggest for applying wax by hand? I keep five hives and the tank, as gorgeous as it is, is a bit overkill for my needs. Thanks!
Thanks again for these videos you make! fits me perfectly now when I start my construction of all the equipment I need up here in central Sweden, Right now dark & cold but soon summer comes with the midnight sun when bees can work around the clock in the sunlight :)
Does the extended dark/cold season in Sweden have any effect on your mite population?
Hey Kamon, could you do a video on the tank itself? Specs, heat source, etc? Or where you bought it? Thank you!
Can you wax dip older painted equipment
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Love your videos!
Your skillshare link isn't working.
Good videos like these are in short supply!
Nice short joke! I love it!
Love just watching you!
I know it is time consuming but you are a natural on camera so keep the videos coming. (By the way, that beekeeping stuff that you are doing is smart and useful too!)
kaman you are the doing a fanatic job of sharing info to all a true rock star
You are too kind M&J. thank you
Nice top covers. What does 600 pounds of wax run?
How much of a difference would it be for me living in the central Appalachians of eastern Kentucky? You've mentioned further up north but you seem to indicate the uppermost US and Canada. I would say we get more snow and colder temps than y'all.
Hi Kayman, I was wondering if you had any kind of schematic or could give me some more information on building the wax dipper? It looks like you possibly use a thermostat and how you regulate the internal temperature and so on... Any information you might be able to help me in building my own would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Kamon, I love those top covers!
Where are you getting the wax and microcrystalline? Thanx
Hey Ray sorry I haven't got that up I will do that now
I see some on Amazon.
Thanks for the info.
I always enjoy your videos.
Looking forward to tomorrow night.
Love the video brother! Been waiting for this one for a while now... I am so interested in doing this but could you share the link where you got your wax from? Thanks again
Can I ask where you got your tank from? Edit: Never mind just as I asked you started talking about it.
I would like to move towards migratory covers starting this year. I just need to find the time to build them. Thanks for sharing.
Love all your videos Kamon. When working on guitars we use heat to soften the glue. The temps tend to be about 350 or more to soften the glue.
why not use a steel 55 gallon drum? 15 bucks. Do you paint the wax dipped boxs? where do you buy the wax?
Here in Rutherford County I've seen the first dead nettle (or henbit - I'm never sure) blooming today, 2/3. And daffodils are just on the edge of blooming.
Do you use treated wood for the lids are is that just cdx plywood?
I use non treated CDX works great!
@@kamonreynolds thanks Kamon I'm currently looking into wax dipping and I was wondering what's best. ✋👍
I'll be cutting wood for boxes all weekend. Maybe take a break during the live chat. Way behind on the equipment building. Spring is coming fast!
Awesome! I'm way behind too.
Dan Ski's Bees I used up all the scraps had to buy more wood. Too much procrastinating 😏
The bubbling is caused by moisture leaving the wood, here we leave the wood in the bath until the foaming begins to subside, time in the tank depends on the weather and how much humidity there is within the wood.
Hey Kamon ... Get Laurel after Dustin, she will shape him up in a hurry! Cheers, Stu
how much wax do you need to cover 1 langstroth bee box including bottom and lid. Aprox
Great video.. how do you melt wax. Gas or electricity?
Hey Kamon, did you ever do a test to see if the heat really does wreck the glue?
Be there or be like this board be square (Funny that lid top looked like a rectangle to me)
Enjoy your videos BUT who has 3 hours to watch you live? not me. JC
Is the ply you use marine grade of just normal cheap ply?
Since it's been three years, I'd love to know how the dipped plywood has held up!
Also curious about the heat in the dipping process and the adhesives in the plywood.
The CDX lids have held up great! The advantec lids are not as good but still working fine.
A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from other's mistakes. Love your videos.
How do your hives get ventilation with that type of cover?
In New Zealand they only use Paraffin wax on hive bodies and the box's still last 20 years and they have a wet climate. They paint them with latex paint with a roller while they are cooling down and paint is pulled into the timber.
Awesome thanks for sharing
I saw a cutaway it looks like if you leave it long enough it penetrates all the way
Looks like I’ll be up tomorrow again
Can you use bees wax ?
Unfortunately it won't work since it will melt on summer days.
Were you able to leave a link of your wax source here or did I miss it?
got it up there
@@kamonreynolds Thank you!
This part of the year is when all of the unseen beekeeping is done. Remember to take some time for you and the family. It's easy not to. 👍👍. Hello from Kentucky mountains USA.
True story. It is presently a little slower here in central Maine, but only because we don't have a warm place to work.
@@gileshoney5796 same here in Kentucky mountains. But we are having a warm spell this week. But mostly just bundle up and get it done because time IS RUNNING OUT. They always say order bee's and packages now but they should be saying build build build boxes frames bottom boards tops feeders stands ect..ect..ect..... Happy beekeeping. Best of luck to you and your family.
@@houstonsheltonbees814 where about? I'm in Wolfe County (bought our first langstroth) and would love any local guidance and advice. I'm I'm fixing to get my bees from Menifee County.
@@Rubie_the_Black_Widow_Subie Congratulations 👍 I'm in Corbin. But KY has a great beekeeping guide for free in pdf. Best I can remember it has a timeline of beekeeping in it and it is very close. It's black and white. Beekeeping in Kentucky. Hope that helps you. Good luck. Just make sure you have a insulated top in winter with a upper entrance for sweat and ventilation. And plenty of extra feed on top of the frames.
@@houstonsheltonbees814 small world! I had business in East Bernstadt and London this year. As far as insulation what do you recommend? We tend to get snow/ice when nobody else in the state does.
Thank you for your videos .You are doing a great job.
What are the advantages of using paraffin vs paint?
When you wake up tomorrow and see you have a whole bunch of new views on your videos, you'll know I was watching them. I spent the afternoon making frames on my new table saw. And when I needed a break I watched a whole bunch. I think you have one of the, if not the best beekeeping site around. I have learned so much from you even though I'm probably twice your age. Thanks. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feedback Johnny. Hope they help you on your beekeeping journey.
Where's the cat
In th wax!
I just want to bite into that wax. gosh idek why!
Work work work...spring is coming. I just bin in a recikling stacion. 100 white enamel stowe tops, and 50 plastic wash mashine covers. Chip, Chip, chip...I got a question for the chat. Is it legal to colect bee wenom, apetoxin in USA?
A thought for small beekeepers who want to wax dip without the big investment.
Do it in a shallow pan just large enough to lay one side of the hive body in.
I am thinking Ike the commercial food service metal pans (like a large stainless steel casserole dish basically)
Put it on a hot plate, and do a box one side at a time, with just enough wax to cover the wood.
For tops and buttoms, either get the wax deep enough to immerse it half way and then flip it over, or if it's like a high rise bottom board, you might have to do all 6 sides.
It sucks having to take 4 times as long for a hive body, but if you are only getting a couple of new ones at a time, you can get a temperature controlled hot plate, or rig up a water heater burner with the thermocouple in the wax, etc, and be doing other things while it cooks, and just flip it occasionally.
Kamon do wax dippped boxes/lids Leach the wax back out for awhile on hot days , before it quits? Love idea just wondering
If it is high quality material like ours with a high melt point it stays in the wood very well.
@@kamonreynolds k thanks
Dustin is like twice your size? That puts him at what about 5'4"???? Lol
lol
@@kamonreynolds You're a good sport Kamon, I'm only 5'10 so I'm not very tall either. Kidding aside, thanks for showing this dipping process, I like it and am considering trying it out for my woodenware.
Good for you. I'm small time.
Hi Kamon,
Have you paid any attention as to how much side pressure is created in the bottom of your cooker at the next heating time, because, in my experience, wax expands about 8 percent from cool to melting and can blow the bottom out of poorly constructed dip containers. I am hot wax dipping Australian native bee boxes in a water boiling urn, and after a hive dipping session, I sink a 9 litre stainless steel bucket of cold water into the centre of the urn to displace much of the hot wax. With small hives I am only heating about 25litres of wax. 9 litres in the bucket raises the level to 34 litres in my 65litre boiler, but the hot wax doesn't flow into the water because the heavy bucket-water combo rests nicely on the inside bottom before that would happen. The bucket lifts out easy after the wax has cooled, and leaves a void where the next heated wax can expand with minimal side pressure on the urn.
Another great vidio 👍👍 , we use gum resin an paraffin 50/50 cost 2.20 per deep to dip them . As you say many different ways to do as far as temp an time. I do 275° for 2min . I did a test on a peice of scrap, an next day cut it in half, an was wax treated all the way through no doubt.!! I use pressure treated plywood, on tops, so that cost couple bucks more per top. Longevity of wax dipping cannot be beat for sure !!!
Kamon, Do you use the scythe blades hanging on the wall. I do all of our mowing with a scythe.
i do and I love using my scythe. Got it from the Marugg company in TN
Hi Kamon, if the Queen runs out of normal comb to lay workers in, will she lay fertilised eggs in empty old Drone cells or will she automatically lay drones. I don't really want too many drones right at the start of spring but rather have workers to get out and collect the early pollen. Should I just cut out excessive drone comb and make them make new worker comb. ?
Have you ever used eco wood treatment on your hives and what do you think about it?
I haven't tried it but I would like to in the future.
Just getting in tut o bees, but the thing I like most about Bee Keeping. Is (1) You can spend thousands to get into it, or pretty much make your own equipment and get into it very affordable. (2) They say stings are good for arthritis. I like hobbies that dont cost a lot to get into.
Curious to know if the type of wax matters? Of course beeswax is worth way more than what you are getting. But does one kind work better? I found a place online that sells bulk recycled wax for about half the price of paraffin wax. Would the recycled wax work or would it be too dirty?
Love your videos I'm looking to make bottom boards and lids im from Pennsylvania was always told plywood is not good because it warps. I know wax dipping is better. What are your thoughts?
Show, parabéns
today is today tomorrow is tomorrow. the calendar shows Thursday.
but tomorrow is not tomorrow when its today and visa versa...I could continue forever given the chance and ability...but Ill leave it at this.
Ive got bees to do and other things as well.
Nice videos. I don't know if u know this or not but Laurel is the Pa. State flower.
Just one ? Did u ever try the CO2 mite test and if u did what do you think. It doesn't kill the bees.
Hey Kamon great down to earth videos. Love them!!! Going into my 5th season in Nebraska and starting to feel like am getting this bee keeping thing somewhat figured out. I am noticing you don't seem to use many inner covers or top entrances. What are thoughts on inner covers, top entrances, and ventilation? Thanks a million!!! Matt
I find then unneeded here but we have short mild winters.
Typically I just have the kid and that is it. Works awesome as I an fixing to show you. 4 frames of brood in some of these colonies
“Isn’t that just how life is?” Thanks for “waxing” philosophical.
Looking for small beekeepers that sell products. Needing Beeswax for leather work.
Hey there! Nice informative videos, thank you so much. Have you posted anything on your oldest wax dipped hive ? I would love to hear your thoughts.
Kamon, would you mind sharing the veil you recommend, again. In a past video, you made mention of a veil that provided great visibility, now I can't find it.... I
It was at Kelly Bees
kelleys
Not to be the police.... but a pair of googles with bubbling wax. Come on now
Your acting like a mom now
self appointed OSHA rep..shut up already!
no pain no gain....although I may have gain detergent.
Do you think wax dipping the lids will cause any condensation to drop back down into the hive, I've not been able to dip any myself but I love the look of the boxes and protection it provides, thanks for the video
Really off topic question here but when do you start making your starter/finisher colonies for queen rearing? Also how do you combine bees from different hives?
All the migratory covers I've seen has a front and back lip on them to secure to the box. Why haven't you added those?
I just figured I didn't need it I guess. Never had one blow off and these are easier to throw on and off.
@@kamonreynolds OK. Where is the ventilation point? I've used them in summer because they're easier than top covers and inner covers. Usually placing a rock or brick on top to hold it down in case of heavy winds. Fall and winter I switch over to the inner cover and top cover. It's more work but it's just my way of doing it I guess.
dang your videos cover everything from a-z pretty much...thanx.
Are you using these waxes at a 50/50 ratio?
Yes
Have you done any figuring on how many boxes you can dip per pound of wax? Really thinking about doing this and trying to figure cost.
Could a person with 2 hives do this with a brush.Or what do you recommend if not?
Kamon what type of tub do you use to heat your wax. Is it commercial or homemade? Thank you.
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Love your work, but when are you guys going to leave the imperial measurements to metric system.
When I stop working 14 hours like I did the day I made this video. Hopefully we will have more time for detail like that in the future
Glenn Woodward I don’t use the metric system, but anytime I need to know anything like that, I just Google it. Super easy, for example type in “20 inches to mm”. Most of the time it will give you choices before you get done typing. Cm, mm, and so on. I rarely post a response because some other commenters can be nasty when I have on other channels, but I wanted to help you. Good luck 👍
Hello Kamon glad your still doing tutorials and videos in the off season. I use polystyrene hives right now but do have a few Warre's and 8 frame setups that I would use this method to preserve them, I have been using Tung Oil and Citrus Solvent as a finish for the outside surface and leaving the insides rough sawn. How do the bugs react to this preserving on the insides of their hives? Oh by the way I just bought the Nerd shirt!
How long have you been running Warre's? I would like to try running a few of these.
@@gileshoney5796 I ran them for 3 years and they worked great for 1st or 2 then I had issues with the mite and sorta stopped for a year but went back to polystyrene langs from Superior Bee and Blue Sky. I found out that if you super instead of nader or under super as the Warre' folks they worked better. I get back to them later but I am focused on the old try and proven lang style in poly.
The Warre' hives are from the Warre' store up in Michigan and has a superior product and I used the modified variant.
@@SuperBuickregal Thanks for sharing.
how long can i keep royal jelly for grafting and how to keep it maybe a few on the subject of grafting in you next chat thank you
Amazing
So where did you purchase your wax?
candlemaking.com
Have you tested this with a box with rabbitted corners?
Is it paraffin wax you use? And it not toxic to the bees?
Generally sealing the lid won't be necessary as the bees will do that.
Kamon my husband and I are brand new to bee keeping this year we have been reading, watching you tube videos and the most useful information we have gained is from you! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us all. I wish we would have waited to buy our hive instead of being so eager to buy in anticipation of getting our beautiful girls. we purchased our hive from a local farm and garden company the paint job is far from acceptable, card board is stuck to it, so spots are barley painted and the top ridges and bottom ridges are not painted. How should we go abut fixing this problem should we sand boxes down as best as we can in the areas that are problems and re paint? should we oil or latex paint does, the sheen matter, does it just need to be exterior paint or do we need to something higher grade like barn paint, does the color make a difference? since this our first year we want it to be as successful as possible for our girls and we know their hive is important! Keep putting the vides out they are GREAT and very helpful.
Very good question! We're fixing to get into apiary ourselves this coming spring. Our langstroth is fine but we want to coat it to further protect it to insure our investment. We've certainly learned a lot but I'm sure we've barely chipped away at the ice. We decided to go with a generic flow hive to get our feet wet and we'll venture into a more traditional setup when we've gotten more proficient.
4 bucks plus time! Time must always bee accounted.
As a businessman time has to be considered. As a hobbyist carpenter I dont see that being that important. If the time is available and the task is enjoyable it is 4 bucks depending on your wood source
@@kamonreynolds no matter time is precious and more valuable than money. We often forget the time element!
What that does is cause alot of shb and wax moths....
Is it ok to wax dip boxes that have been painted?
Another bit of nice info would be tank size, material thickness, ........
I built mine out of mild steel, 20x24" 24" tall 1/4" thick bottom and 1/8" thick sides
Have 200# of paraffin and 100# of pine gum resin.
Haven't dipped anything yet. Didn't know about back purging the joints until after the porosity showed up and made 100's of leaks 😇
William McNett how is that size working for you?
I want to build a vat and trying to gather any info I can
It's not finished 😇 I ran into porosity while welding. I'm sure I'll wish it was bigger someday. That size was just giving myself about 2" on each side and have the ability to stand a box on it's end or stack a couple deep.
Ian is having a chat at the same time....who should I watch?
Why not use Bee's wax? Why petroleum based wax?
Beeswax can't withstand summer heat
Great video thanks alot 😊🐝🐝